<font> Mr. Sol. Gen. </font> Whither he did say he was going , when he
went from your House on the 26th ? --- (OATES-E3-P2,.1)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . I think to <font> Tixhall </font> , he
said . (OATES-E3-P2,.2)

<font> Mr. Sol. Gen. </font> When did you see him again after that ?
(OATES-E3-P2,.3)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . He returned to me again the 4th of <font>
September </font> following . (OATES-E3-P2,.4)

That Night he supped at my House , (OATES-E3-P2,.5)

and lay there ; (OATES-E3-P2,.6)

and he staid at my House <font> Thursday </font> the 5th of <font>
September </font> , <font> Friday </font> , the 6th , (OATES-E3-P2,.7)

and he went away on the 7th from me for good and all . (OATES-E3-P2,.8)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Whither did he go then ? (OATES-E3-P2,.9)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . To <font> Tixhall </font> , I think ,
(OATES-E3-P2,.10)

I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell . (OATES-E3-P2,.11)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Whence did he say he came , when he came
last to your House ; which was <font> Wednesday </font> the 4th of
<font> September ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,.12)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . Then he said he came from <font> Boscobel
</font> and <font> Black-Ladies </font> , and that Way .
(OATES-E3-P2,.13)

<font> Mr. Sol. Gen. </font> Can you tell any Thing that makes you
remember he was at <font> Boscobel ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,.14)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . I have some Circumstances that make me
believe and remember it . (OATES-E3-P2,.15)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Ay , tell us what they are . (OATES-E3-P2,.16)

Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> . My Lord , upon <font> Monday </font> the
2d of <font> September </font> , I heard Mr. <font> Ireland </font>
would be at Boscobel , (OATES-E3-P2,.17)

and I said to my Friend that told me so , (OATES-E3-P2,.18)

<font> Sure Mr. </font> Ireland <font> will not be there that Night ,
and I so near him . (OATES-E3-P2,.19)

Yes </font> , said she , <font> he will . (OATES-E3-P2,.20)

Then </font> , said I , <font> I will write to him </font> ;
(OATES-E3-P2,.21)

and so I did . (OATES-E3-P2,.22)

And I tell you the 4th of <font> September </font> , which was <font>
Wednesday </font> , he came to my House , and <P_4.82> staid that Night
, and the two next Days with me , (OATES-E3-P2,4.82.23)

and went away upon the <font> Saturday </font> after .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.82.24)

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<P_4.86>

<font> L.C.J. </font> We ask it only because Mr. <font> Oates </font>
desires to be satisfied in that Point . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.27)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Pray swear Mr. <font> Howard </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.28)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.29)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> What time in <font> August </font> 78 ,
did you see Mr. <font> Ireland </font> in <font> Staffordshire </font>
, and where ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.30)

Mr. <font> Howard </font> . I came out of <font> Shropshire </font>
upon the 27th of <font> August </font> , to the Horse-race at <font>
Etching-hill </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.31)

and there I saw this Mr. <font> Ireland </font> upon the 28th .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.32)

I dined at one Mr. <font> Herbert Aston </font> 's House at <font>
Bellamore </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.33)

and there I saw him again . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.34)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> What other Time did you see him ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.35)

Mr. <font> Howard . </font> Never any other Time .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.36)

<font> Oates . </font> How does he know it was the same Mr. <font>
Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.37)

Mr. <font> Howard . </font> I came up to Town soon after ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.38)

and they told me that knew him , that it was the same <font> Ireland
</font> that suffer'd . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.39)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mr. <font> Drayton </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.40)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.41)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Where did you see Mr. <font> Ireland ?
</font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.42)

Mr. <font> Drayton . </font> At <font> Etching-hill </font> Race .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.43)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> What Day was that ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.44)

Mr. <font> Drayton . </font> That was the 27th of <font> August </font>
1678 . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.45)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> When did you see him after ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.46)

Mr. <font> Drayton . </font> The next Day following I did not see him ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.47)

but the <font> Thursday </font> following I saw him at <font> Tixhall
</font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.48)

and he went home with Mr. <font> Heveningham </font> to <font> Aston
</font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.49)

and I saw him on <font> Friday </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.50)

he was with us there , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.51)

and went a fishing , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.52)

and we catch'd a great Pike of a Yard long , which was not ordinary
with us . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.53)

Upon the 31st , which was <font> Saturday </font> , my Master went to
kill a Buck in the Park , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.54)

and Mr. <font> Ireland </font> went along with him ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.55)

and they went to a little Village hard by , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.56)

and there I parted with him , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.57)

and did see him no more that Day . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.58)

Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> of <font> Hildersham </font> was to meet my
Master a hunting , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.59)

but he was sick , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.60)

and did not : (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.61)

Then upon <font> Sunday </font> the 1st of <font> September </font> , I
was sent to see Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> of <font> Hildersham </font>
, (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.62)

and there I saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.63)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Who was your Master , pray you ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.64)

Mr. <font> Drayton . </font> This Lord <font> Gerrard </font> of <font>
Bromley </font> 's Father . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.65)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> He was accused by <font> Dugdale </font> of
the Plot , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.66)

and died afterwards in <font> Newgate </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.67)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray ask Mr. <font> Drayton </font> what
Religion he is of ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.68)

Mr. <font> Drayton . </font> I am a <font> Roman </font> Catholic .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.69)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Sir <font> James Simmons . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.70)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.71)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> When did you see Mr. <font> Ireland
</font> , Sir <font> James ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.72)

Sir <font> James Simmons . </font> Upon <font> Tuesday </font> the 27th
of <font> August </font> 78 , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.73)

I remember very well I saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> at the Horse-race
at <font> Etching-hill </font> , between Sir <font> Henry Gough </font>
and Mr. <font> Chetwind </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.74)

and I remember particularly , that Sir <font> Henry Gough </font> 's
Horse distanc'd him . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.75)

I did not see him before he came to the Inn ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.76)

but there we met , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.77)

and drank together . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.78)

And <font> Thursday </font> the 29th of <font> August </font> , being
at <font> Tixhall </font> Bowling-green , Mr. <font> Ireland </font>
was there , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.79)

and came home with my Father <font> Heveningham </font> and me , and
some Gentlemen in the Country ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.80)

and came to <font> Aston </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.81)

and staid there that Night . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.82)

I remember the next Day was <font> Pancrass </font> Fair ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.83)

and I went to the Fair , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.84)

and did not come home . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.85)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> What Day of the Moneth is that Fair usually
kept ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.86)

Sir <font> James Simmons . </font> It is an unconstant Time ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.87)

now and then in <font> September </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.88)

now and then in <font> August </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.89)

and that Year we had a Subscription to get it regulated to a certain
Day . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.90)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Did you see him after ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.91)

Sir <font> James Simmons . </font> My Lord , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot}
swear to the <font> Saturday </font> , because I $can $not
{TEXT:cannot} so well tell whether I came back from the Fair on <font>
Friday </font> Night ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.92)

I think I did not . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.93)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mr. <font> Green </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.94)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.95)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Did you know Mr. <font> Ireland ? </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.96)

Mr. <font> Green . </font> Yes , my Lord , I did .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.97)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> When did you see him in 78 ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.98)

Mr. <font> Green . </font> The first Time was <font> Etching-hill
</font> Race the 27th of <font> August </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.99)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> What other Days do you remember ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.100)

Mr. <font> Green . Thursday </font> the 29th I saw him ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.101)

I belong to Sir <font> James Simmons </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.102)

and Mr. <font> Ireland </font> came home with him , and some other
Gentlemen , to Mr. <font> Heveningham </font> 's at <font> Aston
</font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.103)

and was a setting with him on <font> Friday </font> the in the
Afternoon . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.104)

And <font> Saturday </font> the 31st he was a hunting with Mr. <font>
Gerrard </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.105)

Nay , more than that , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.106)

I saw him drawn on the Sledge , but not executed ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.107)

and that was the same Man that was there at that Time .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.108)

<font> Oates . </font> What Religion is this Gentleman of ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.109)

Mr. <font> Green . </font> I was ever a <font> Roman </font> Catholick
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.110)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Pray , were they a fishing that Day ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.111)

Mr. <font> Green . </font> In the Morning he was ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.112)

and they got a great Pike ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.113)

I saw the Pike , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.114)

and did eat Part of it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.115)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mr. <font> Fallas . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.116)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.117)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> When did you see Mr. <font> Ireland
</font> , Sir ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.118)

<font> Fallas . </font> Upon the <font> Thursday </font> after Sir
<font> Henry Gough </font> 's Race , which was <font> Thursday </font>
the 29th of <font> August </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.119)

Mr. <font> Ireland </font> came to Mr. <font> Heveningham </font> 's ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.120)

and I look'd to his Horse there . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.121)

Upon <font> Friday </font> Morning they went a fishing ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.122)

and got a great Pike ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.123)

and I did see them go out a setting after Dinner , he and Mr. <font>
Green </font> , with my Lady and the Keeper ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.124)

and I saw him come in again : (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.125)

and I saw him drink a Glass of Table-Beer in the Hall .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.126)

Upon <font> Saturday </font> Morning , which was the 31st of <font>
August </font> , they went a hunting in Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> 's
Park , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.127)

and killed a Buck ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.128)

and afterwards my Master ask'd him to go home with him again ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.129)

but he would not ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.130)

for he said he must go to Mr. <font> Lowe </font> 's at Four ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.131)

and we parted at Three . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.132)

And I came here , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.133)

and saw him executed ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.134)

but while he was at my Master's House , his Horse was never out of the
Stable , but I brought it to him . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.135)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> When did you see him executed ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.136)

<font> Fallas . </font> It was the 24th of <font> January </font>
afterwards , I think . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.137)

<font> Oates . </font> What Religion are you of ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.138)

<font> Fallas . </font> I am for the Church of <font> England </font> ,
a Protestant ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.139)

I always was so . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.140)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray , my Lord , ask him when he was acquainted
with Mr. <font> Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.141)

<font> Fallas . </font> The first Time was the 29th of <font> August
</font> , when he came to my Master's House . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.142)

<font> Oates . </font> That does not come to my Time , my Lord .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.143)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> But it comes very close to it ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.144)

it reaches to 31st of <font> August </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.145)

<font> L.C.J. </font> It is within a Day of you , upon my Word .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.146)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> And $I $'ll {TEXT:I'll} tell your Lordship
what is yet more considerable ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.147)

this Place is an hundred and twenty Miles from <font> London </font> :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.148)

but we shall not leave him there . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.149)

<font> Oates . </font> I desire to know whose Servant he is ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.86.150)

<font> Fallas . </font> I am a Servant to Mr. <font> Heveningham
</font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.151)

and I serve the King ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.152)

I come to testify the Truth . (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.153)

I was here before , (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.154)

but then we must not be heard ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.86.155)

all <P_4.87> the Cry was against us , that we were Rogues , and must be
knock'd on the Head . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.156)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Were you here at any of the Trials ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.157)

<font> Fallas . </font> I was at the Council-Table ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.158)

and there I was in great Danger of being knock'd on the Head .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.159)

<font> Oates . </font> Would they have knock'd him on the Head at the
Council-Table , does he say ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.160)

<font> Fallas . </font> I have been in the room by the Council-Table ,
where they have cried , knock them down , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.161)

hang them {COM:sic} Rogues ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.162)

do they come to be Witnesses against the Saviour of the World ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.163)

And they came about me there , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.164)

and asked me if I knew any of them , or was of their Company ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.165)

And I was glad to say I came thither about a Suit of Law I had with a
Brother of mine , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.166)

and then they pitied me . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.167)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Now we have brought him , my Lord , every
Night where he lodged from the 3d of <font> August </font> to the 31st
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.168)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> And then we shall prove that he went to Mr.
<font> Gerrard </font> 's at <font> Hildersham </font> that they speak
of ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.169)

there he was the 31st and 32d - (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.170)

<font> L.C.J. </font> How , Mr. <font> Attorney </font> , the 32d !
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.171)

I doubt you will hardly be able to tell us where he was then .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.172)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> The 1st of <font> September </font> , I
mean , my Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.173)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Ay , we understand you very well .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.174)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mr <font> John Proctor </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.175)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.176)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> When did you see Mr. <font> Ireland
</font> in 78 ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.177)

<font> Proctor . </font> I saw him the 31st of <font> August </font> 78
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.178)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Where ? - (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.179)

<font> Proctor . </font> At <font> Fulford </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.180)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> At whose House ? - (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.181)

<font> Proctor . </font> At Mr. <font> Lowe </font> 's .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.182)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> That was the Place the other Witness said
<font> Ireland </font> told him he was to be at four of the Clock , and
therefore went away at three . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.183)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> When did you see him afterwards ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.184)

<font> Proctor . </font> I saw him the next Day , the 1st of <font>
September </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.185)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Where ? - (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.186)

<font> Proctor . </font> At Esquire <font> Gerrard </font> 's .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.187)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> How far is that from Mr. <font> Lowe
</font> 's ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.188)

<font> Proctor . </font> It is a Mile and a Half .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.189)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Did you see him afterwards ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.190)

<font> Proctor . </font> Not there , I did not . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.191)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> What Religion are you of ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.192)

<font> Proctor . </font> I am a Protestant . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.193)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What did you hear became of that <font> Ireland
</font> afterwards ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.194)

<font> Proctor . </font> I saw him executed at <font> Tyburn </font>
afterwards , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.195)

and it was the same Man . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.196)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Where did you live then ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.197)

<font> Proctor . </font> I lived at <font> Fulford </font> then .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.198)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What , with Mr. <font> Lowe ? </font> -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.199)

<font> Proctor . </font> Yes , my Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.200)

<font> Oates . </font> It seems he was a Servant to a Papist .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.201)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What then , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.202)

what of that ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.203)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I desire you would ask him , whether
he ever saw <font> Ireland </font> before the 31st of <font> August
</font> which he speaks of ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.204)

<font> Proctor . </font> No , I did not . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.205)

<font> L.C.J. </font> But you are sure it was the same Man you saw
executed ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.206)

<font> Proctor . </font> Yes , I am sure of it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.207)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> What Circumstance can you tell that he was
the 1st of <font> September </font> at Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> 's ?
<font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.208)

Proctor . </font> I went to Dinner thither that Day :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.209)

I rode before Madam <font> Brooke </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.210)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What Day of the Week was that 1st of <font>
September ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.211)

<font> Proctor . </font> It was upon a <font> Sunday </font> , my Lord
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.212)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Was that about <font> Pancrass </font>
Fair-time ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.213)

<font> Proctor . </font> Yes , my Lord , it was .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.214)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> He can tell you another Circumstance how
he comes to remember him at Mr. <font> Lowe </font> 's the 31st of
<font> August </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.215)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Ay , by what Token do you remember that he was
there the 31st of <font> August ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.216)

<font> Proctor . </font> I went that Day to {COM:lacuna_in_text} pay
some Money , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.217)

and came home again in the Afternoon ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.218)

and just as I came in , he came thither . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.219)

<font> Oates . </font> How does he say he knows him to be the same Man
? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.220)

<font> L.C.J. </font> He has told you twice , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.221)

he saw him executed . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.222)

<font> Oates . </font> What Religion is he of , does he say ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.223)

<font> L.C.J. </font> He is a Protestant . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.224)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Then swear Mr. <font> John King </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.225)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.226)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray , do you acquaint the Court and the
Jury where you saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> , and when ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.227)

Mr. <font> King . </font> I saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> at Mr.
<font> Gerrard </font> 's of <font> Hildersham </font> the 1st of
<font> September </font> , that Year that the Plot broke out , which
was in the Year 78 . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.228)

There I saw him on <font> Sunday </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.229)

and there he staid all Night , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.230)

and so did I ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.231)

and on <font> Monday </font> Morning I went to Mrs. <font> Crompton
</font> 's where I liv'd , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.232)

and he came thither to <font> Millage </font> as soon as I , which is
within a Mile of <font> Hildersham </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.233)

and dined there the same Day . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.234)

<font> L.C.J. </font> How far is that from <font> London </font> , pray
you ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.235)

Mr. <font> King . </font> An hundred and ten Miles .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.236)

<font> L.C.J. </font> And he was there at Dinner , you say ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.237)

Mr. <font> King . </font> Yes , he was . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.238)

<font> L.C.J. </font> How long was it before Dinner was done ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.239)

Mr. <font> King . </font> I believe he might go thence about two of the
Clock . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.240)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Where did he say he designed to go then ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.241)

Mr. <font> King . </font> He designed to go to <font> Boscobel </font>
that Night . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.242)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Do you remember any body else was at Mr. <font>
Gerrard </font> 's then when you saw him ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.243)

Mr. <font> King . </font> Yes , Mr. <font> Jerman Drayton </font> was
at <font> Hildersham </font> at that Time . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.244)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray , what Religion is this Gentleman of ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.245)

Mr. <font> King . </font> I am a <font> Roman </font> Catholick , Mr.
<font> Oates . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.246)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Pray swear Mr. <font> Francis Lee </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.247)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.248)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray , tell my Lord and the Jury where you
saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> , and when . (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.249)

<font> Lee . </font> I was a Servant to Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.250)

and Mr. <font> Ireland </font> upon <font> Saturday </font> Night came
to my Master's House , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.251)

and staid all Night and all Day on <font> Sunday </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.252)

and went away on <font> Monday </font> to <font> Millage </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.253)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What time and what Year was it ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.254)

<font> Lee . </font> It was in 78 ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.255)

but I am not certain of the Day of the Month : (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.256)

It was on a <font> Saturday </font> he came , (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.257)

and I have Witnesses to prove I was there at that time .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.87.258)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What Month was it ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.87.259)

<P_4.88>

<font> Lee . </font> It was in <font> August </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.261)

as I think , the last Day ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.262)

but I am not certain . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.263)

And he went on <font> Monday </font> to <font> Millage </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.264)

and there dined at Mrs. <font> Crompton </font> 's ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.265)

and from thence he went to <font> Pancrass </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.266)

and thence he did go to <font> Boscobel </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.267)

and staid all Night there . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.268)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> That was the 2d of <font> September </font>
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.269)

<font> L.C.J. </font> How do you know he went to these Places ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.270)

<font> Lee . </font> I was told so . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.271)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I desire to know how long this Man was
acquainted with <font> Ireland </font> before ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.272)

<font> Lee . </font> I never saw him but at that time .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.273)

<font> Oates . </font> How does he know it is the same Man then ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.274)

Mr. <font> King . </font> Here is a Man that saw me with him , and was
present at <font> Ireland </font> 's Execution . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.275)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Who is that ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.276)

<font> Proctor ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.277)

Mr. <font> King . </font> Yes , my Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.278)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Then call <font> Proctor </font> again .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.279)

<bracket> <font> Who came in again . </font> </bracket>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.280)

Who went along with you to Dinner on <font> Monday ? </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.281)

<font> Lee . </font> My Lord , he did see me at <font> Hildersham
</font> at Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> 's . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.282)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What say you , <font> Proctor </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.283)

was this Gentleman there at that time ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.284)

<font> Proctor . </font> Yes , my Lord , I did see him there .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.285)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Was that the same Man that was executed , which
you saw at Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> 's ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.286)

<font> Proctor . </font> Yes , it was . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.287)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Did you dine with Mr. <font> Ireland </font> on
<font> Monday </font> at Mrs. <font> Crompton </font> 's ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.288)

<font> Lee . </font> Yes , my Lord , I did , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.289)

and went afterwards with him to <font> Pancrass </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.290)

and staid there two Hours , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.291)

and then he went to <font> Boscobel </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.292)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> There are the two Days gone which Mr.
<font> Oates </font> swore to , and in which he was so positive that it
was either the 1st or 2d of <font> September </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.293)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Then swear Mr. <font> Biddolph . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.294)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.295)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray , Sir , when did you see Mr. <font>
Ireland </font> , and where ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.296)

<font> Biddolph . </font> My Lord , I was in <font> Staffordshire
</font> the latter end of <font> August </font> and the beginning of
<font> September </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.297)

and I was at Mrs. <font> Crompton </font> 's House , which is my Aunt ,
the 2d of <font> September </font> being <font> Monday </font> , where
I saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> , and dined with him that day ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.298)

and after Dinner he went with Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> 's Son , who
was to go to School to <font> Boscobel </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.299)

And I will give your Lordship a particular Circumstance that may
satisfy you that I am not mistaken in the time : (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.300)

As I came through <font> Northhamptonshire </font> that Summer , I was
at my Lord <font> Cullen </font> 's , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.301)

and he desired me to be at a Horse-Race at <font> Newton-Slade </font>
, where there is a Plate always run for the first <font> Thursday
</font> in <font> September </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.302)

and that Year it was the 5th of <font> September </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.303)

Now when I dined at my Aunt <font> Crompton </font> 's , she would have
had me staid all Night at her House , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.304)

but I excused myself , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.305)

and told her I had promised to come to my Lord <font> Cullen </font> 's
to be at the Race , and must needs be there before , to be as good as
my Word to my Lord ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.306)

and therefore I went away to <font> Pancross </font> , and so on my
Journey , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.307)

otherwise I had staid with my Aunt all Night : (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.308)

and I am sure this was <font> Monday </font> before this Horse-Race .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.309)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , this Gentleman speaks to no Year
particularly . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.310)

<font> Biddolph . </font> It was in 1678 , the Year before Mr. <font>
Oates </font> 's Plot broke out . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.311)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Now we will call Mrs. <font> Crompton
</font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.312)

Swear her . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.313)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.314)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray , when did you see Mr. <font> Ireland
</font> , Mrs. <font> Crompton ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.315)

Mrs. <font> Crompton . </font> He was at my House at <font> Millage
</font> in <font> Staffordshire </font> at Dinner , the same Day that
my Nephew <font> Biddolph </font> did dine there :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.316)

As for the Day of the Month , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} so well tell it
, because when my Friends dine with me , I $do $n't {TEXT:don't} use to
note down the Day particularly ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.317)

but it was , I remember , a pretty remarkable time ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.318)

for it was about <font> Pancrass </font> -Fair . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.319)

Mr. <font> Gerrard </font> of <font> Hildersham </font> came with him ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.320)

and Mr. <font> Ireland </font> being a Stranger , I asked who he was ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.321)

and they told me it was Mr. <font> Ireland : </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.322)

He never was at my House before nor after ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.323)

he was a mere Stranger to me . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.324)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What Day was it , say you ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.325)

Mrs. <font> Crompton . </font> It was the same Day my Nephew <font>
Biddolph </font> dined there . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.326)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Was it <font> Monday </font> the 2d of <font>
September </font> , do you remember ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.327)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> He says he was at her House at <font>
Millage </font> that Day , (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.328)

and she says it was the same Day he dined there .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.329)

Mrs. <font> Crompton . </font> But I never note down the particular
Days when my Friends dine with me , except I had particular occasion to
do it , as I had none at this time . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.330)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I desire to know what Religion this
old Gentlewoman is of ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.331)

Mrs. <font> Crompton . </font> I am a <font> Roman </font> Catholic ,
my Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.332)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mrs. <font> Palmer </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.333)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.334)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Mrs. <font> Palmer </font> , where did you
see Mr. <font> Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.335)

Mrs. <font> Palmer . </font> I was at Dinner at Mrs. <font> Crompton
</font> 's at <font> Millage </font> , where there was a Gentleman
called Mr. <font> Ireland </font> that did dine there .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.336)

<font> L.C.J. </font> When was it ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.337)

Mrs. <font> Palmer . </font> I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell truly what
Day it was . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.338)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Who was there besides you at Dinner that Day ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.339)

Mrs. <font> Palmer . </font> $'T $is {TEXT:'Tis} so long since , I $can
$not {TEXT:cannot} remember . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.340)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Was Mr. <font> Biddolph </font> there ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.341)

Mrs. <font> Palmer . </font> Not that I remember , my Lord .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.342)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What do you bring her for , Mr. <font> Attorney ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.343)

</font> Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> She dined there that Day it seems ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.344)

but if she $can $not {TEXT:cannot} remember it , I $can $not
{TEXT:cannot} help it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.345)

<font> L.C.J. </font> But these kind of Witnesses do but slack your
Proof . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.346)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> My Lord , I think we do over-do our
Business indeed . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.347)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> We have one more Witness to this Point ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.348)

and that is , Mrs. <font> Mary Holmes </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.349)

swear her . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.350)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> </bracket>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.351)

Where did you see Mr. <font> Ireland </font> in the Year 78 ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.352)

Mrs. <font> Holmes . </font> I saw him at <font> Millage </font> , my
Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.353)

<font> L.C.J. </font> When ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.354)

Mrs. <font> Holmes . </font> The first , or the beginning of <font>
September </font> , I am sure . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.355)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> What Day of the Week was it ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.356)

Mrs. <font> Holmes . Monday . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.357)

<font> L.C.J. </font> You have Proof enough of this , Mr. Attorney
General . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.358)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Truly , I think so , my Lord .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.359)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray swear Mrs. <font> Esther Gifford
</font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.360)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> </bracket>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.88.361)

Mrs. <font> Gifford </font> , when did you see Mr. <font> Ireland ?
</font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.362)

Mrs. <font> Gifford . </font> Upon the 2d of <font> September </font>
78 , I saw Mr. <font> Ireland </font> above a hundred Miles from this
Place . (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.363)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Where ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.88.364)

<P_4.89>

Mrs. <font> Gifford . </font> At <font> Pancross </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.366)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> What time of Day was it ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.367)

Mrs. <font> Gifford . </font> In the Afternoon about four or five
o'clock . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.368)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Did he stay there all Night ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.369)

Mrs. <font> Gifford . </font> I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell indeed .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.370)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Swear Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.371)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.372)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Now , my Lord , we are come to the 2d of
<font> September </font> in the Evening ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.373)

we shall prove where he was that Night and the 3d ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.374)

and then we shall return to the 4th of <font> September </font> , when
Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> swears he came back to <font> Wolverhampton
</font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.375)

Mr. <font> Hanses . </font> When did you see Mr. <font> Ireland </font>
, Mr. <font> Pendrel ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.376)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> I saw him upon the 2d of <font> September
</font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.377)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Where did you see him ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.378)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> At <font> Boscobel </font> at my House ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.379)

there he lodg'd with me that Night . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.380)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> In what Year was it ? -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.381)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> In the Year 1678 . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.382)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Was it the <font> September </font> before
the Plot , and before Mr. <font> Ireland </font> was executed ? -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.383)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> Yes , my Lord , it was .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.384)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Did you know him before ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.385)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> No , I did never see him before , as I
know of . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.386)

<font> L.C.J. </font> How long did he stay there ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.387)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> He staid that Night and the next Day all
day , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.388)

and went away the 4th of <font> September </font> to <font>
Black-Ladies </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.389)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Whose House is that ? -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.390)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> It is Mr. <font> John Gifford </font> 's .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.391)

<font> L.C.J. </font> You say you live at <font> Boscobel </font> ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.392)

Did you hear any thing of a Letter came to your House for Mr. <font>
Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.393)

Mr. <font> Pendrel . </font> Not that I know of , my Lord ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.394)

there was not any that I remember . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.395)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Then swear Mrs. <font> Pendrel . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.396)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.397)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Pray , Mistress , will you give an Account
where you saw Mr. <font> Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.398)

Mrs. <font> Pendrel . </font> I saw him at <font> Boscobel </font> , at
the Royal Oak ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.399)

he came there the 2d Day of <font> September </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.400)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> Can you tell what Year it was ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.401)

Mrs. <font> Pendrel . </font> It was the first Beginning of the Plot .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.402)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> How long did he stay there ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.403)

Mrs. <font> Pendrel . </font> He staid <font> Tuesday </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.404)

and <font> Wednesday </font> he went to <font> Black-Ladies </font> ,
and so away to <font> Wolverhampton </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.405)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> We have but one Witness more , my Lord ,
for <font> Wednesday </font> the 4th of <font> September </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.406)

and then we have done . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.407)

Swear Mr. <font> Charles Gifford </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.408)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . </font> </bracket>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.409)

When did you see Mr. <font> Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.410)

Mr. <font> C. Gifford . </font> May it please your Lordship , I saw Mr.
<font> Ireland </font> at my Father's House at <font> Black-Ladies -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.411)

Oates . </font> My Lord , I would ask Mrs. <font> Pendrel </font> a
Question before she goes : Whether she was not a Witness at the five
Jesuits Trial {COM:sic_punctuation} ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.412)

Mrs. <font> Pendrel . </font> I was in Court , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.413)

but they would not suffer me to swear . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.414)

<font> Oates . </font> Did she not give Evidence there ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.415)

<font> L.C.J. </font> She was examined , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.416)

but she could not be sworn , because she came to testify against the
King in a capital Cause . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.417)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Pray , what say you , Mr. <font> Charles
Gifford ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.418)

Mr. <font> C. Gifford . </font> My Lord , I say I saw Mr. <font>
Ireland </font> at my Father's House in <font> Black-Ladies </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.419)

and he staid there an Hour and an half , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.420)

and went through <font> Chillington </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.421)

and said he would go to <font> Wolverhampton </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.422)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> What Day of the Month was it ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.423)

Mr. <font> C. Gifford . </font> I am morally certain it was the 4th of
<font> September </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.424)

and so he went to <font> Wolverhampton </font> , as I am informed .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.425)

He came to our House to see a Lady that was there .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.426)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What Lady was it ? - (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.427)

Mr. <font> C. Gifford . </font> It was one Madam <font> Wells </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.428)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Thus , my Lord , we have lodged him the 4th
of <font> September </font> at <font> Wolverhampton </font> , when Mrs.
<font> Harwell </font> says , he return'd to her ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.429)

and so , my Lord , we have given an Account where he was from the 3d of
<font> August </font> to the 14th of <font> September </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.430)

Mr. <font> Sol. Gen. </font> We have prov'd where he was every Day in
that time , but only the 8th of <font> September </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.431)

and for that we must leave it to the Jury . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.432)

We have proved that he came away from Mrs. <font> Harwell </font> 's
the 7th , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.433)

and he said he was to go to <font> Tixhall </font> ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.434)

and the 9th he did go from <font> Tixhall </font> in Sir <font> John
Southcoat </font> 's Company , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.435)

and came to <font> London </font> the 14th . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.436)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Well , what say you to it , Mr. <font> Oates ?
</font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.437)

<font> Oates </font> . Has Mr. <font> Attorney </font> done his
Evidence , my Lord ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.438)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> We shall call no more Witnesses , unless
you go about to support your own Credit , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.439)

and then we have other Witnesses to call . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.440)

<font> Oates . </font> I do not value any Witnesses you can bring
against my Credit . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.441)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Well , for the present , we do not design
to call any more Witnesses . - (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.442)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Then let us hear what you say to it .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.443)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , here is an Indictment against me ,
which sets forth , that I should swear at Mr. <font> Ireland </font> 's
Trial , that Mr. <font> Ireland </font> was in Town the 1st and 2d of
<font> September </font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.444)

and it sets forth , that in truth he was not in Town :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.445)

And likewise it sets forth , that I swore at the Trial of the five
Jesuits , that Mr. <font> Ireland </font> took his leave of me and
others here in Town at his Lodging in <font> Russel-street </font> ,
between the 8th and 12th of <font> August : </font> whereas the Perjury
there assigned , is this , That he did not take his Leave of me , or
any other Person , betwixt the 8th and 12th of <font> August </font> ,
at his Lodging in <font> Russel-Street </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.446)

Now , my Lord , I was not the only Witness of Mr. <font> Ireland
</font> 's being in Town in the Month of <font> August </font> , nor
the only Witness of his being in Town about that time in <font>
September </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.447)

My Lord , my Prosecutors have endeavoured to maintain this Charge
against me thus : (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.448)

The first thing they have gone upon , as far as I can remember in the
Indictment , is as to the 1st or 2d of <font> September </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.449)

or rather , they have endeavoured to prove both under one .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.450)

Now , in answer to all this Evidence , my Lord , the first thing I
shall offer to your Lordship's Consideration , and the Consideration of
the Jury , is the great Hardship I lie under , after six Years time ,
to be put to disprove what the Counsel here have now offered against me
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.451)

My Lord , I observe first , that this Indictment , which is now upon
Trial , is founded upon the Trial of <font> Ireland </font> , which was
the 17th of <font> December </font> 1678 , at the <font> Old-Bailey
</font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.452)

and it is now six Years after that Evidence of mine was delivered .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.89.453)

A second thing is , that the Indictment is found by special Commission
, as appears by the Indictment itself . (OATES-E3-P2,4.89.454)

Now , I must recommend to the Consideration of your Lordship and this
Jury , why the Prosecution of this pretended Perjury has been delay'd
so long , when it appears by the Evidence which has been produced ,
that the Witnesses to prove it were known six Years since , as <P_4.90>
much as they are now ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.455)

and there is no colour of Evidence offered , that any new Fact has been
lately discovered which was not then knowne . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.456)

There is no Reason , my Lord , that is assigned , or can be assigned
for this Delay , but only that the Hardship might be the greater upon
me : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.457)

For now it is difficult , if not impossible for me to maintain the
Evidence I then gave , so many Persons being since dead , or gone
beyond the Seas , (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.458)

and many things that were fresh then , are now grown out of Memory ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.459)

and I beg your Favour to insist upon this , (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.460)

and I think it $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be denied me .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.461)

If such a Practice as this be admitted , no Witness is safe in giving
his Testimony against any Conspirators whatsoever .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.462)

For , my Lord , I must desire leave to offer another thing to your
Consideration , before I speak to the particular Evidence ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.463)

and that is this ; That here is nothing but a bare Point of Time upon
which this Perjury is assigned ; when the Substance of the Testimony
that I gave at the Trials of Mr. <font> Ireland </font> and the rest ,
about the Popish Plot , is not assigned as any Perjury at all ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.464)

it is only a Circumstance of Time and Place . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.465)

And , my Lord , I shall offer this to your further Consideration , that
<font> Ireland </font> was convicted for a treasonable Resolution to
murder the late King , and not for being in Town in <font> August
</font> or <font> September </font> 78 , or elsewhere ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.466)

and he was not convicted for his being in his Chamber in <font>
Russel-street </font> , and taking his leave there in <font> August
</font> , which is one matter of the Perjury now assigned .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.467)

Next , my Lord , $'t $is {TEXT:'tis} hard and unreasonable to tie up
Witnesses that come to discover Plots and Conspiracies , to speak
positively as to Circumstance of Time and Place , and every little
Punctilio in their Evidence , to bind them up to such Niceties in the
delivery of their Testimonies , as to Time and Place .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.468)

It is usual to speak with latitude as to such kind of things ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.469)

and $'t $is {TEXT:'tis} probably my Evidence which is now in question ,
was not that <font> Ireland </font> was the 1st or 2d of <font>
September </font> positively here in Town ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.470)

but , my Lord , I did <paren> I believe </paren> give myself a latitude
, (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.471)

and would not confine myself to either the 1st or 2d , 5th , 6th , 7th
, or 8th ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.472)

But my Lord , that he was in <font> September </font> there , I am
positive . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.473)

I must therefore beg your Lordship's and the Court's Opinion , whether
that Mr. <font> Foster </font> did prove that I was positive and
precise to the Days of the 1st and 2d of <font> September </font> 78 ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.474)

<font> L.C.J. </font> In my Opinion it is a plain Evidence that you did
swear positively to those two Days ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.475)

and you spoke to a Circumstance very material in your Evidence , that
either the first or 2d of <font> September </font> you had twenty
shillings of him in Town here : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.476)

Now that Circumstance of his Kindness to you , was not a Circumstance
of Time or Place . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.477)

<font> Oates . </font> Then , my Lord , I shall begin with my Proofs :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.478)

but , my Lord , I desire I may have free Liberty to mind my Business ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.479)

for here is a Gentleman behind me that will not let me be at quiet ,
but is either-4 meddling with me or my papers . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.480)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Who is it ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.481)

Let me know him , (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.482)

and I will take care to make him quiet , or set him farther off .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.483)

You , Gentlemen , that are at the Bar should know better , one would
think : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.484)

He must have liberty to make his own Defence ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.485)

and if he complains and lets me know who meddles with him , they had
better do somewhat else . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.486)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , the first thing that I offer , is ,
that <font> Ireland </font> was convicted of Treason ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.487)

and for that you have the Record . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.488)

<font> L.C.J. </font> It is allowed of all sides , that <font> Ireland
</font> was convicted and attainted of Treason . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.489)

<font> Oates . </font> Then , my Lord , the principal Defence which ,
as near as I can remember , Mr. <font> Ireland </font> made at his
Trial , was an Endeavour to prove that he was not in Town between the
8th and 12th of <font> August </font> , nor the 1st and 2d Days of
<font> September </font> , which are the Points now in Issue ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.490)

and he then produced on Mr. <font> Gifford </font> , and his Sister and
Mother ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.491)

and fifteen or sixteen Witnesses were produced at Mr. <font> Whitebread
</font> 's Trial , of which there is another Record , that being six
Months after Mr. <font> Ireland </font> was tried :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.492)

There Mr. <font> Whitebread </font> produces several Witnesses , Mr.
<font> Gifford </font> , I say , and several others , I think , to the
number of sixteen , which were to prove <font> Ireland </font> 's being
out of Town in these times that these Witnesses speak of .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.493)

Now , my Lord , all those several Witnesses being produced to prove
<font> Ireland </font> then out of Town , the very Point that is now in
Issue , was then so ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.494)

and notwithstanding all those Witnesses , the Jurors who tried Mr.
<font> Ireland </font> , and the Jurors who tried Mr. <font> Whitebread
</font> and the other four Jesuits , found them guilty ; tho' they
endeavour'd with all their force imaginable to oppose my Testimony ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.495)

and it was left to the Consideration of the Jury what their Witnesses
had said . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.496)

If your Lordship pleases to remember , my Lord Chief Justice <font>
Scroggs </font> did observe to the Jury , that the Evidence of the
Prisoner at the Bar did consist only in Punctilio's of Time ; which ,
as near as I can remember what he said , he called a nicety of Time ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.497)

and in <font> Whitebread </font> 's Trial he was pleased to call it
catching in Point of Time . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.498)

And it was observ'd at <font> Ireland </font> 's Trial , that his
Defence was so weak , that my Lord Chief Justice <font> Scroggs </font>
, upon the Integrity of <font> Bedloe </font> 's Evidence and mine ,
uses these Words to the Jury <paren> tho' he then endeavour'd to do
what these Witnesses do now </paren> : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.499)

It is most plain the Plot is discovered , and that by these Men , and
that it is a Plot , and a villainous one . Which shews not only the
Fullness and Satisfactoriness of our Proof that we gave , but does also
take notice of the little Shifts and catching Tricks he made use of to
prove himself out of Town ; which would not weigh with the Court .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.500)

Therefore I observe , it is but the same Objection that then was made ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.501)

and is not a new one now . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.502)

And my Lord Chief Justice that then was , speaking of that Proof he
brought <paren> which the Court heard with patience , but could easily
see through the Vanity of it , </paren> said , What Arts they have of
evading this , I know not ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.503)

for as they have turn'd their Learning into Subtilty , so they have
their Religion too . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.504)

All this is well remembered by those that were by , and heard that
Trial : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.505)

And tho' <font> Ireland </font> laboured to disprove me in that
Circumstance of Time , yet still the Court did justify the Evidence
that Mr. <font> Bedloe </font> and myself had given .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.506)

And the same Chief Justice said , I leave it to you to consider ,
whether you have not as much Evidence from these two Men as can be
expected in a Case of this nature ? And whether Mr. <font> Oates
</font> be not rather justified by the Testimony offer'd against him ,
than discredited ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.507)

This was after his Plea was debated and considered :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.508)

and I must further observe to your Lordship , that tho' Mr. <font>
Ireland </font> by his false Witnesses pressed this matter as far as he
could then , and urged the Court to believe it ; yet when the Jury
brought in their Verdict and found him guilty , the Chief Justice
expressed the Satisfaction of the Court in these Words :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.90.509)

You have done , Gentlemen , like very good Subjects and very good
Christians ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.510)

that is to say , like very good Protestants : (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.511)

and now much good may their Masses do them . (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.512)

This , my Lord , was the Case of Mr. <font> Ireland </font> , at his
Trial ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.90.513)

<P_4.91>

and the same Point of his being out of Town was again managed before a
second Jury at the Trial of the five Jesuits ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.515)

but the Court saw the Design of the Popish Party to blemish the
Evidence given of the Plot ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.516)

but yet they look'd upon it only as a Trick . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.517)

And my Lord Chief Justice <font> Scroggs </font> , in summing up the
Evidence at that Trial , says , They fall foul upon Mr. <font> Oates
</font> , meaning myself ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.518)

he appears to have been their Agent , and whilst so , bad enough .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.519)

But if he had not had a mind to become a good Man , he would not have
done us that good he has done , in the Discovery of the Design they had
engaged him in . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.520)

And if your Lordship please to remember , that at that Trial of the
five Jesuits , when all Arts were used to prove <font> Ireland </font>
out of Town , and me at <font> St. Omers </font> , in the same Charge
to the Jury , my Lord <font> Scroggs </font> did take notice that the
Jesuits were very exact at catching in a Point of Time ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.521)

but now says , that there is a thing that no Man can precisely charge
his Memory withal ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.522)

and therefore he does there persuade the Jury , that that should not be
too strictly the Measure of their Judgments about Truth and Falshood ,
by the Mistake of seven or eight Days : (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.523)

For , said he to the Jury , examine yourselves how often every day you
do mistake things that have been transacted half a Year ago , and err
in Point of Time , taking one Week for another , and one Month for
another ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.524)

and therefore you are not to lay too great a Weight upon the Point of
Time . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.525)

Now , if too great Weight , my Lord , be not to be laid upon a point of
Time , then this Charge that is now brought against me is not of weight
at all . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.526)

And besides , my Lord , this ought to be considered , if this were the
great Objection then , and then answered , it ceases to be an Objection
now . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.527)

And , as the Court did observe at the summing up of the Evidence , that
they made their Defence about the Uncertainty of a Point of Time ,
which was no Defence at all ; so that , my Lord , the whole Course of
my Plea is this : $'T $is {TEXT:'Tis} a hard case for a Man , after six
Years , to be indicted for a Circumstance of Time .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.528)

I will first offer the Testimony of one Witness that is dead ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.529)

and that is Mr. <font> Bedloe </font> , who at his Death confirmed all
that he had sworn of the Popish Plot to be true , and affirmed that he
had rather spoken less than the Truth , than more ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.530)

and for that I desire that my Lord Keeper may be called , who took his
dying Examination . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.531)

<font> L.C.J. </font> As for that , Mr. <font> Oates </font> , it is a
thing very well known to the World , and particularly to a worthy
Gentleman that sits by you , <bracket> <font> Pointing to </font> Mr.
<font> North </font> </bracket> that Mr. <font> Bedloe </font> , when
he was sick , did make some such Protestation . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.532)

<font> Oates . </font> Then , my Lord , I desire that Mr. <font> Blaney
</font> may be sworn , to give an account , what Mr. <font> Bedloe
</font> testified at Mr. <font> Ireland </font> 's Trial .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.533)

<font> Then Mr. </font> Blaney <font> was sworn . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.534)

<font> Oates . </font> Mr. <font> Blaney </font> , pray will you see in
your Notes of <font> Ireland </font> 's Trial , whether Mr. <font>
Bedloe </font> did not swear that Mr. <font> Ireland </font> was in
Town , the latter end of <font> August </font> 78 , or the beginning of
<font> September ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.535)

Mr. <font> Blaney . </font> Whereabouts in the Trial is it , Sir ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.536)

<font> Oates . </font> It is in the printed Trial , <font> folio
</font> 41 . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.537)

Mr. <font> Blaney . </font> My Lord , I do find these Words in my Notes
, that Mr. <font> Bedloe </font> should say , about the latter end of
<font> August </font> , or the beginning of <font> September </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.538)

but I believe it was the latter end of <font> August </font> , Mr.
<font> Ireland </font> was at <font> Harcourt </font> 's Chamber ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.539)

and being asked the Question by my Lord Chief Justice <font> Scroggs
</font> , Whether he said positively , it was the latter end of <font>
August </font> ; he said it was in <font> August </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.540)

he would not be positive to a Day , (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.541)

but he thought the latter end . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.542)

<font> L.C.J. </font> $'T $is {TEXT:'Tis} very well known too , that
<font> Bedloe </font> did swear <font> Ireland </font> was in Town the
latter end of <font> August </font> , or beginning of <font> September
</font> ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.543)

and to confirm it upon Mr. <font> Ireland </font> 's Denial , you swore
he was in Town the 1st or 2d of <font> September </font> ; and gave you
twenty Shillings , (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.544)

that was the Occasion of your Oath . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.545)

<font> Oates . </font> Then , my Lord , I desire to call some Witnesses
to testify to the Deposition that was taken of Mr. <font> Jennison
</font> , about <font> Ireland </font> 's being then in Town .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.546)

<font> L.C.J. </font> When was that Deposition taken , and before whom
? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.547)

<font> Oates . </font> It was taken in the Year 79 , by Sir <font>
Edmund Warcup </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.548)

<font> L.C.J. </font> But we $can $not {TEXT:cannot} admit that in
Evidence , unless the King's Counsel will consent .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.549)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I will then produce what he swore at
another Trial . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.550)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Why , where is he ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.551)

Is he dead ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.552)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , it has cost a great deal of Money to
search him out ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.553)

but I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} any where meet with him ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.554)

and that makes my Case so much harder that I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} ,
when I have done all that Man can do to get my Witnesses together .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.555)

I sent in the depth of Winter for him , when I thought my Trial would
have come on before ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.556)

but I could never hear of him . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.557)

<font> L.C.J. </font> We $can $not {TEXT:cannot} help that .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.558)

<font> Oates . </font> Will what he said at any other Trial be Evidence
here ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.559)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Look you , though in strictness , unless the
Party be dead , we do not use to admit of any such Evidence ; yet if
you can prove any thing he swore at another Trial , we will indulge you
so far . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.560)

<font> Oates . </font> Have you the record of Sir <font> George Wakeman
</font> 's Trial there , Sir <font> Samuel Astry ? </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.561)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Here it is ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.562)

if Mr. <font> Oates </font> have any use for it , we will lend it to
him . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.563)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Put it in ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.564)

and now prove what you can , what <font> Jennison </font> swore at that
Trial . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.565)

<font> Oates . </font> Mr. <font> Blaney </font> , have you your Notes
of Sir <font> George Wakeman </font> 's Trial here ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.566)

Mr. <font> Blaney . </font> No , Sir , the Ticket of your <font>
Subpoena </font> did only mention <font> Ireland , Whitebread </font> ,
and <font> Langhorn </font> 's Trials . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.567)

But I did formerly upon another Occasion look for the Trial of Sir
<font> George Wakeman </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.568)

but could not find it among all my Notes . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.569)

<font> Oates . </font> Sir , can you remember then what <font> Jennison
</font> swore at that Trial , about <font> Ireland </font> 's being
here in Town ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.570)

Mr. <font> Blaney . </font> Truly , my Lord , I can never trust my
Memory at all when I take Notes ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.571)

and it is now so long since that Trial , that I dare not undertake to
say I remember any Particulars of it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.572)

<font> L.C.J. </font> He says it is so long since , that he $can $not
{TEXT:cannot} remember any thing . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.573)

But there is Sir <font> Edmund Warcup </font> now ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.91.574)

Is he sworn ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.575)

<font> Cryer . </font> Yes , my Lord . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.576)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What do you ask him then ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.577)

<font> Oates . </font> I would desire to examine Sir <font> Edmund
Warcup </font> , my Lord , about the Deposition of <font> Jennison
</font> that he took . (OATES-E3-P2,4.91.578)

<P_4.92>

<font> L.C.J. </font> But we tell you that $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be
admitted as Evidence , without they will consent to it on the other
side . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.580)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , he proves Mr. <font> Ireland </font>
here the 19th of <font> August </font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.581)

and that contradicts these Witnesses . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.582)

<font> L.C.J. </font> If they will admit it , well and good ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.583)

else we $can $not {TEXT:cannot} do it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.584)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> My Lord , we will be so fair with Mr.
<font> Oates </font> , if he will admit Mr. <font> Jennison </font> 's
Letter , that is under his hand , wherein he does own that he was
mistaken in his whole Evidence about that matter , we will consent his
Deposition to be read . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.585)

Mr. Just. <font> Withins . </font> If he will not consent to that ,
there 's no reason you should consent to the other , Mr. <font>
Attorney </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.586)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Look you , Mr. <font> Oates </font> , Mr. <font>
Attorney </font> makes you this Offer ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.587)

you desire to have Mr. <font> Jennison </font> 's Depositions read ,
which $can $not {TEXT:cannot} be done without their consent ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.588)

they tell you they will consent , if you will let them prove what he
has own'd since about that Business . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.589)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I will consent with all my heart ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.590)

let them read any Letter under his hand . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.591)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Well , do it on both sides by Consent ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.592)

and now , Mr. <font> Oates </font> , do you produce his Examination .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.593)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray , Sir <font> Edmund Warcup </font> , will
you please to give the Court an Account what Deposition Mr. <font>
Jennison </font> made before you , about <font> Ireland </font> 's
being in Town in <font> August </font> 78 ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.594)

Sir <font> Edmund Warcup . </font> If my Lord commands me , I will .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.595)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Ay , you must answer his Question .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.596)

Sir <font> Edmund Warcup . </font> This Mr. <font> Jennison </font> did
make one Information before me , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.597)

and according to the Duty that was incumbent upon me , I deliver'd it
to the King and Council , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.598)

and there it has lain ever since ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.599)

for me to remember the Particulars of it , is impossible .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.600)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Have you his Examination here , Mr. <font> Oates
? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.601)

If you have , shew it him . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.602)

Sir <font> Edmund Warcup . </font> If I see my Hand to it , attesting
it was sworn before me , I can say somewhat to it .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.603)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , he says he deliver'd it in to the
Council ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.604)

but it is printed . - (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.605)

<font> L.C.J. </font> That is no Evidence , Man .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.606)

Sir <font> Edmund Warcup . </font> I can say nothing to it , unless I
saw it under my own hand . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.607)

<font> Oates . </font> That is impossible for me to have , my Lord .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.608)

<font> L.C.J. </font> I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} tell how to help it .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.609)

Sir <font> Edmund Warcup . </font> You have no more to say to me , Sir
, have you ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.610)

<font> Oates . </font> No , Sir , I have not . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.611)

Pray call <font> Sarah Batten </font> . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.612)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> Is that the same that was <font> Sarah
Paine ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.613)

<font> Oates . </font> I think so , Sir ; (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.614)

I am not sure it is she , till she come hither . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.615)

<font> Cryer . </font> Here is <font> Sarah Batten . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.616)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray swear her , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.617)

and call Sir <font> Thomas Doleman . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.618)

<bracket> <font> Which was done . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.619)

But Sir </font> Thomas Doleman <font> did not appear . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.620)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray was not your name <font> Sarah Paine ?
</font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.621)

<font> Batten . </font> My Lord , I desire my Charges before I speak .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.622)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What is your Name , good Woman ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.623)

<font> Batten . </font> My name is <font> Sarah Batty . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.624)

<font> Oates . </font> Was not your Name <font> Sarah Paine </font> ,
once ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.625)

<font> Batty . </font> No , my Maiden-Name was <font> Sarah Edmunds .
</font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.626)

<font> Oates . </font> Was not you a Witness at the Trial of Mr. <font>
Ireland ? </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.627)

<font> Batty . </font> No , Sir . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.628)

<font> Oates . </font> Did not you live with my Lord <font> Arlington ?
</font> - (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.629)

<font> Batty . </font> No , Sir . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.630)

<font> Oates . </font> Then I have been at all this Charge for nothing
. (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.631)

Are you sure your Name was not <font> Sarah Paine ? </font> -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.632)

<font> Batty . </font> No , indeed , Sir . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.633)

<font> Oates . </font> They told me that she liv'd at <font> Uxbridge
</font> , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.634)

and thither I sent . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.635)

<font> Batty . </font> I do live at <font> Uxbridge </font> , Sir .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.636)

<font> Oates . </font> Upon your Oath , were you a Witness at any of
the other Trials , or not ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.637)

<font> Batty . </font> No , my Lord , I was not .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.638)

<font> Oates . </font> Then I have nothing to say to her .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.639)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What other Witnesses have you to call ?
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.640)

<font> Oates . </font> We have laboured all we could to find her out ,
and searched for her with all the care imaginable ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.641)

and here we thought we had had her , (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.642)

but it seems it is not she . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.643)

<font> L.C.J. </font> We $can $not {TEXT:cannot} help it .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.644)

<font> Batten . </font> I hope , my Lord , you will consider my Charges
in coming up hither . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.645)

<font> Oates . </font> I will take care of thee , Sweet-heart .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.646)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Who do you call next ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.647)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> Charles Clare . </font>
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.648)

<font> Cryer . </font> He is not here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.649)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> Percival </font> .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.650)

My Lord , I desire Mr. <font> Blaney </font> may give an account what
she swore about <font> Ireland </font> 's being in Town , seeing I $can
$not {TEXT:cannot} have her here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.651)

<font> L.C.J. </font> That we $can $not {TEXT:cannot} do neither ,
without Mr. <font> Attorney </font> will consent :
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.652)

For this , as well as the other , is an extraordinary thing .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.653)

<font> Oates . </font> You see by my bringing this Witness , my Lord ,
that I have done what I could to find her out . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.654)

<font> L.C.J. </font> What say you , Mr. <font> Attorney </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.655)

will you consent ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.656)

Mr. <font> At. Gen. </font> No , my Lord , it is so irregular , that we
$can $not {TEXT:cannot} consent to it . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.657)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> Percival </font> and Mr.
<font> Vaughan . </font> (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.658)

<font> Cryer . </font> They do neither of them appear .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.659)

<font> Oates . </font> Then I must lose the benefit of her Testimony .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.660)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Have you done ? (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.661)

<font> Oates . </font> No , my Lord , I will have done immediately .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.662)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Take your own Time . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.663)

<font> Oates . </font> I desire Sir <font> Michael Wharton </font> may
be call'd . - (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.664)

<font> Cryer . </font> He is not here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.665)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> Charles Chetwind . -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.666)

Cryer . </font> He is not here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.667)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> Robert Bowes . -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.668)

Cryer . </font> He is not here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.669)

<font> Oates . </font> Pray call Mr. <font> John Savile . </font> -
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.670)

<font> Cryer . </font> He is not here . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.671)

<font> Oates . </font> My Lord , I have served all these with <font>
$Subpoena's </font> {COM:font_change_before_apostrophe_in_original} ;
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.672)

and if they will not come , I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} help it .
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.673)

<font> L.C.J. </font> Nor we neither . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.674)

<font> Oates . </font> Mr. <font> Jennison </font> was used as a
Witness in the Trial of Sir <font> George Wakeman </font> ,
(OATES-E3-P2,4.92.675)

and so was Mr. <font> Bowes </font> , and Mr. <font> Burnet </font> ,
who was produced to prove the Circumstance of Mr. <font> Jennison
</font> 's Evidence : (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.676)

But , my Lord , since I $can $not {TEXT:cannot} have the benefit of his
Evidence , nor of <font> Sarah Paine </font> 's , I must only sum up
all I have to say in two or three Words . (OATES-E3-P2,4.92.677)

