<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side two <&>0:36 what about ripping off the system though do you think <{><[>that your taxes <.>should <[>i personally think the example set by those at the top <,> of them getting what they can for themselves sets the example for <.>those if i can apply like a military logic if you've got good leadership at the top and they're going through <,> the same um if you're out in the field and you're getting wet and cold and the officer in charge is just as wet and cold <,> you know <.>you you're willing to do that bit <&>1:00 extra you're all in the same boat but if the person at the top is warm and dry and well fed and comfy and you're still wet cold and not fed then you're gonna start well hell if it's all right for him it's all right for me yes i take your point absolutely <.>it's people are following the example set by the politicians at the top which is get what you can for yourself and and <{><[>greed's the name of the game <[>but listen but what about individual morality what about ripping off the system <{><[>you shouldn't be <.>impre just because someone else breaks a window and steals something is that make it acceptable for you to do it two wrongs don't make a right? <[><.>it's no but again it comes down to the fact that people <.>are had enough OF um being told you have this one set of rules for you and one set of rules for us yes i agree with that but what about this question of WELL <{1><[1>the state'll do something for me so i don't actually have to work very hard or work at all i mean that's <.>what there's a mind set's <{2><[2>crept into all this hasn't it <[1><.>i <[2>well yeah that that woman who was saying that her husband and her haven't drawn wages from their jobs for fourteen weeks or <{><[>something well that's what put the country in the crap that sort of <,> i mean <&>2:00 <[>right right no they're selfemployed they're trying to make a go of it he's ploughing the money back into the business voc it would seem yeah but she was having a big moan about she hadn't drawn wages for fourteen weeks well that's not the benefit's fault it's <.>not it's THEIR fault if <.>they if they can't do their business well enough to provide <,> an income it's <{><[>you know <[>oh be fair the recession is not <,> something that perhaps they were directly responsible for? yeah actually what <.>i i just <{><[>that was <.>just <[>AND she's <.>wr objecting to the fact that they've gone without to try and make a business that may in time grow and create jobs for other people and all meanwhile there are other people ripping off the system that's what she objects to oh yeah i don't <.>d deny that but there's also people ON a benefit who go without a hell of a lot more and who probably get deeper and deeper into a trough but they've got NO way of getting out you know <{><[>it's a <.>selfperpetuating <[>well er that's what missus shipley's missus shipley and her government are trying to SHAKE us out of that s torpor <{><[>aren't they <[>well that's actually what i rang about <{><[>was this katherine regan's gonna live for a week on a benefit <[>yeah well she's in hospital at the moment <.>an and i <&>3:00 don't know we think it might be fairer to talk to her when she comes out and ask her how she plans to do it from what starting base and whether a week's long enough <{><[>cos i know a lot of people don't think it is <[><.>w well i'm quite willing to volunteer to live on HER salary for a week you know laughs <{><[>you mean swapping roles <[>voc EXACTLY i'm <.>quite <{1><[1>i'm not on a benefit but <.>i'm i'm quite happy to suffer the hardship she suffers on her salary and um <,> <{2><[2>well if she's serious about it <[1>the prince and the pauper <[2><.>well well she would say that she works for that salary well yeah you could debate that endlessly but um well what about it do <.>politicians should they be paid or should they be <.>voluntary voluntarily serving the state in which case then it becomes the preserve of the rich doesn't it like it used to be <{><[>in england in the <.>w time of the whigs and what have you <[><.>they yeah well they should be on a contract basis the same as other employed if they promise and they don't deliver toss them out <,> <.>it's <.>it's it's <{><[><.>a <[>yes but how can we PROVE that you see i've thought about this this has come up several times this whole question of putting the so and so's on contract but how do you PROVE what sort of quantifiable <.>s steps <&>4:00 could you use to assess the behaviour i mean look at the cretinous people who've been chief executives of organisations that <.>are have gone broke or <.>in are in deep trouble never called to account well <{><[>it's very simple <[>how do <.>you how do you quantify if <.>they <{1><[1>you have to sign <.>a sign a form a application form for the job <{2><[2>same as everyone else <[1>hm hm <[2>yes yes yes but what do they have to DO for it they have to outline their goals if they make a promise it must be kept if not they've failed it's simple yes but what about the <.>extr dernal forces <.>that that impinge on this country where the best set goals get screwed up like a fall in trade fall in the dollar um some sort of appalling dumping by the european community on <.>world voc commodity markets how do you <,> cope with that those things muddy the water <,> <{><[>don't they? <[><.>bu <{><[>DON'T THEY ALLAN <[>well <.>they they're well they're well aware of a lot of these things before they get in they just <.>act pretend they're ignorant about it oh gosh shock horror <{><[>look at the books <[>well look what happened yesterday when george bush had his little flutter in the heart and the dollar went all to haywire when they thought that dan quayle might be taking over i mean those are <&>5:00 things <{><[>you can't <.>possibly <[>well then you look at changing the <.>sto i mean <,> <.>wh when i grew up you never saw these stock market reports now it seems the money market is the big news on t v have you had a good go this morning cos it's nearly news time? well the other thing is i was gonna say if katherine regan's serious she should get er the same amount as a solo mother that <.>she okay <{><[>thanks <[>voc <&>5:17