<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>4:45 it's twelve past ten eric evening good evening mike how are you well i just um heard your little talk with mister bolger clears throat what is the difference <&>5:00 between a busload of retired shoe repairers off to a picnic and jim bolger laughs what you don't know no well <.>there there's no difference they're both a <.>l load of old cobblers yes oh right um clears throat <,> i'm you don't know me <,> have you heard of my little action your action mm um well tell me i'm eric from christchurch well i what have you done eric you didn't hear about the er my handing back of my medals oh it is you no yes i do know of you laughs um just <.>a have you um got the latest issue of the listener the one with um <&>tapping sound de niro on the cover yeah yep you read page starting on page fifteen what does fifteen say <&>6:00 er <,> um pensioners i'll i'll just i've i've done a few of these things in highlighting pen just <.>a <.>a <.>the little <.>n things about pensioners may be back on the gruel but for retired judges and m ps <{><[>they're <.>still <[>oh yes have read it <{><[>read it fully and er found it absolutely fascinating and my comment for monday is on that very subject <[>yeah is it well <{><[><.>o er you know <.>i <.>i in case people like this um <[>yep yep go for it <.>thi this this double standard um by politicians er further down the page and <.>th and this is very er appropriate in nineteen eighty nine opposition finance spokeswoman ruth richardson described the m ps' and judges' scheme as an obscene as obscene paul east opposition justice spokesperson criticised the judges' scheme too now er if that was so voc there was a good opportunity to prune some of that in her budget because under er er all these er high court judges they get seventy five thousand dollars tax free yep <&>7:00 it has not been frozen and subject to a tough new income <.>ta test in <.>the in <.>th in <.>the in the budget so they still get it and so do and and the um m ps' pensions aren't affected by the surtax or anything like that now what i would like to know why is there one law for one part <.>o one portion of the community and one for the other i thought that we were all one people in this country you thought wrong oh i know that i've well i'm just <.>saying <.>the <.>the <.>the <.>the voc when when <.>you when you start looking <.>ba into politicians' minds er you're not surprised that there's er that there's er been a couple of resignations today i'm not surprised at all i could see it coming a mile away and i don't think it'll be the last of them either um you know i would like to know why when <.>mis i've got a little <,> piece here where miss um ms richardson and i'll quote this <&>8:00 miss richardson <.>t this is after the budget said people on middle to high incomes might immediately react to the budget by saying it hit budgets which were already tight first i have to say there was noone else to offload the cost to now i'm i <.>th i think a lot of people out in the <.>she she's well out of touch with people we could we could tell them where they could offload some of the cost to um what about all these houses that they're renting in wellington the cabinet members seven or eight hundred dollars a week and i think there was one er mentioned that was twelve hundred dollars a week richardson's is nine yeah yep now they're used from they're not there on monday er er last monday was <.>the the <.>f one of the first <.>day or the monday before was one of the first days that they'd been in parliament now they're only there from tuesday till friday night because they're off home on friday night and so they have breakfast there they have lunch <.>and they have lunch at <&>9:00 bellamy's and i guarantee <.>a a lot of them don't go home for dinner they they probably go to a restaurant they can't be bothered having their wives there doing the what's its name er and they go and have it at restaurant because they get all that in their er amongst their salary and expenses so what's wrong with them er getting some money voc <.>b er <.>b er losing some money and going into a good bed and breakfast establishment er that would voc that would be good enough for them paying about say a a couple of hundred dollars a week <{><[><.>i i reckon <.>that <[><.>w what <.>do what do <.>you what do you want them to do that for for the <.>mo for savings for monetary savings <{><[>or for the psychological thing <[>well <.>that that's like well <.>mi <.>miss miss richardson said they haven't got money for this and money for that but <.>that <.>the there's this double standard <{><[>where they are not leading by example are they <[>mm no they're not <{><[>but i don't um i don't begrudge them a bit of decent housing i don't begrudge them all the er the <.>b i don't even begrudge them bellamy's to be honest what i do begrudge them is that extraordinary superannuation scheme <&>10:00 <[>no yeah <{><[>i word <[>and and it's outrageous <{1><[1>absolutely outrageous it's er it's made even more outrageous er <.>b <.>b by the fact that they continually mouth on about how unrealistic it is <{2><[2>and refuse to do anything about it <[1>it's <[2>word yeah they've <.>p they've they've pandered it over to the higher salaries commission now surely <.>by they they handled it before <.>in in seven minutes <{1><[1>and raised it by a third <{2><[2><.>and and cut down the time that you <.>a er subscribe to it word and they did that in seven minutes they could do the same thing in reverse in seven minutes but <.>you you wouldn't catch them doing it <{3><[3>would you <[1>mm <[2>yeah <[3>yes but they don't want to it's because they're <{1><[1>hypocritical it's probably the er the biggest bugbear they're going to face as er times get tighter and people's budgets shrink that sort of er article and that sort of publicity is really going to start to hurt them i don't begrudge the judges i think judges deserve a pretty decent whack because they're exTRAORdinarily well trained <{2><[2>and they have an eNORmous responsibility on their shoulders and they are in fact completely separate because they don't run the country <[1>word no <[2>oh yes but <{><[>the point yes but <.>the <[>but er the <.>po the politicians er er er it's outrageous <&>11:00 yeah but the point is it says in here too at present ten retired district court <{><[>judges <[>yes indeed and four retired high court judges are back on the <.>be bench helping out now they're getting their seventy five thousand dollars a year tax free and they're also being employed as relieving er judges for a judge six hundred dollars a day that's high court and the district court charge yep four hundred and eighty nine dollars a time yes but it's a it's a it's an extraordinary skill they have oh yes i realise that and you got to reward that skill yes i know but i'm just saying that <.>the then then they <.>tu i'm just saying <.>w who we're <.>pa we're paying we're paying those they don't have to go into that they chose to go into that profession they could make more in private practice er we didn't tell them that they had to go and get in that job they were offered the job er <.>and and some other judges have refused those jobs <{><[>but <[>yes indeed but i mean even more would refuse if the pay was no good oh yes i realise that <&>12:00 and so you got to pay for quality and er i think we get good quality er judges in this country by and large what are retired um what <.>do what do retired um <,> radio journalists er <,> get nothing oh god but you do a good job yes i do and i deserve <.>the <.>i i deserve <.>hu humongous amounts of money yes <{><[>word <[><.>i i deserve to be set up for the rest of my life yeah but it the world is injust <&>ie unjust laughs <{><[>laughs well <.>you well you <.>y well you you sit in judgement sometimes don't you <[>isn't it eric yes i do and <.>i <.>a and as i say <.>i i there is not an amount of money in this world that <.>i that i would not be unhappy with unfortunately voc it's not going to happen well why don't you appeal to er some higher authority er because the higher authority wouldn't listen to me <{><[>is basically why got to go eric <[>laughs okay nice to talk to you bye bye it's ten nineteen this is fairline there zero three seven nine oh three two one vaughan good evening mike gidday i'm i'm actually quite surprised at the reporting of the the <&>13:00 miles mcintyre affair <&>pronounced as fee air er affair first of all i didn't think it was a bombshell the way that radio new zealand news um described it on both networks the commercial and national networks yep secondly um i think <.>y you've got to determine when you analyse the whole thing and i agree with much of your comment by the way er um about political opportunism gilbert myles according to a frontline programme of several months ago was a labour party activist mhm until not long ago now i mean if i jumped this er the fence as many times as he has i'd probably do myself an injury over <{><[>the last five years i mean <,> <.>y <.>you <.>th <.>the there is no integrity in constitutionally and and even in recognising the word honourable as part of the title that goes with a member of parliament you shouldn't be coming out publicly saying that you're going to undermine the government <[>mhm should you not <&>14:00 i don't think so er in the way that he is um i <.>tha that is quite different from from being outspoken in opposition to activities of the government but to to actually um sort of say that that that is going to be your sole purpose over the next few years is is to me is is a little bit of a worry because in new zealand whether people like it or not <.>the <.>the the three year period for a government is ample given the performance of of <.>the recent governments but at least for those three years the governments are stable mm and i think we're quite lucky to have stable governments even if if they upset everybody um we're lucky that that's all they do um <,> <.>i <.>i i <.>p think that er the resignation of people like gilbert myles is is really been <.>overemot <.>it <.>be er you know <.>it <&>15:00 there's been too much emotion put in front of it and and no analysis um with yeah with one or two exceptions mm i think to to to say that you're not going to crawl to your boss um in the way that er gilbert myles said to you tonight when when discussing the the contact with the prime minister is is <{1><[1>is holding the whole thing in contempt <{2><[2>he is <,> the leader of of our country as as picked by his colleagues through the party that he was prepared to represent and the party that got him in to parliament <[1>mm <[2>yeah mm and i find the whole opportunism of of his action really smacks it's just shallow yes it's an intelligent comment and what he does er <.>my i don't personally have a great deal of time for him mcintyre's a different case <{><[>altogether though and er he's er obviously a fairly deep thinking person who is er ill suited to the er the rough and tumble of political life because it is pretty rough and tumble and it's obviously affected him pretty badly <&>16:00 <[>i agree yes <{><[>um <[>and er i'd er i'd er argue a case er for him as opposed to myles i'd er i'd myles is a flash in the pan politician he er quite freely and i mean yeah it's well known that he used to be a labour party supporter and he er went in er to kick labour out basically <{><[>and of course er he and all the other guys achieved that relatively successfully and er <.>it you know <.>that to to to plead ignorance on what this government were going to do i think er shows a little bit of naivety i worked out what this government were going to do not to the extent they've done it but generally speaking if we thought that national were going to be some sort of miraculous er change in direction from labour then we were naive and then er if he believed that he is naive <[>yeah aye well exactly i think the point has to be remembered <.>that that that that um the national party didn't get in because an overwhelming number of people voted for them mm yeah that's right they they got in because an overwhelming number of people voted <&>17:00 against labour um <.>a and it is it is wrong for anybody to say that the national party has a mandate to govern um but it is also wrong to to actually kick <.>it <.>it it when you talk about social justice for example i believe it's wrong fundamentally wrong to kick the people that've helped you in the in the face i agree for the last eighteen months and and if you want to be a social worker as a <.>po you shouldn't be a politician they should be holding a byelection in roskill and manawatu they went in despite what myles says they went on on a national ticket <{1><[1>and the people who voted for those guys put tick next to national <{2><[2>and it just happened that myles' name was there <[1>yeah <[2>i wonder <.>if well that's it you vote because um you liked the look of the leader on <{1><[1>television or your father's always voted labour for sixty years and you're always going to vote that way it's not because <{2><[2>of <[1>right exactly right <[2>or if what you say is correct you voted national because you hated labour yeah um i wonder if it's possible for the electorates to force a byelection because local government if there's a a <.>refer a petition <&>18:00 that's signed by x percentage of the the um the <.>v the available voters they have to have a byelection don't they yes they do indeed the other thing is and i have a bit of sympathy for the manawatu people who i understand are very upset <{><[>as far as er myles is <.>c er mcintyre's concerned they worked hard to get a national m p into that electorate <[>yes they are yes they did <{1><[1>given it was a marginal <{2><[2>and they lost it on a recount <[1>and <[2>exactly exactly and so they deserve a better deal than that i think that er mcintyre despite his conscience and all that sort of thing at least could've discussed it with them and er if he couldn't go on he couldn't go on that's er life but i mean he to just come out arbitrarily and say that's it i quit the sad thing about that was that i <.>ac in an interview this morning on on the other <.>ra radio new zealand network um he said that if he'd discussed it with his er electorate there would've been media leaks and all sorts of <{1><[1>things i would've thought he would trusted people a bit better than <{2><[2>that <[1>so what so what <[2>well you either trust them and er if it does leak so what who cares <{1><[1>you're gonna resign you're gonna resign i mean it <{2><[2>doesn't matter <[1>yeah <[2>well that's right your chairman <&>19:00 isn't gonna be the one that's gonna leak it is he exactly the good thing though that has come out of this and er the thing that myles has pointed out this <.>ti the time has never been <.>m righter for a third party in this country it's just unfortunate that they couldn't drag peters or er muldoon or somebody like that with them who's got a bit of oomph and <{><[>a <.>l a bit of leadership quality <[>voc er well exhales yeah i i agree but i mean you've got an intelligent experienced politician leading a party now in parliament and and he's got to resort to silly petitions <&>19:30