<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>6:07 maureen good morning on line three good morning maureen good morning richard how are you i wanted to say a bit about the financial <.>malfunction economic malfunction of our country mind you i have a lot of malfunctioning in my own accounts <{><[>this is what always <.>worries <[>and it it's mainly due to entrepreneurial <&>pronounced entrepeneurial and <.>manage er <.>ma manufacturing greed but there is a big thing i want to talk about these state owned enterprises and the sale <.>of <.>why why do you think it's due to manufacturing greed maureen because they've all they they go overseas to manufacture er like people are saying our timber sent out <{1><[1>oh and that's going to be good to um if they do it here you know process it here <{2><[2>but however with all the poisons they use it'll cost us more to clean the poisoning up never mind that you know it's such a wide range <[1>mm mm <[2>mhm you mean the processing of timber before it's <.>proce before it's further processed cut up <.>and it gives you a lot of expense in disposing of <&>7:00 the treatment er poisoning things you <.>kno you understand all that <{><[><.>however <[>oh i wish i understood it entirely but i i take your point in fact <.>i i'd love to see for instance er a perhaps very selective milling of some of our indigenous timber that wouldn't be wouldn't be sold in a milled form off shore it would be turned into er classic <{><[>new zealand furniture that could be exported <[>yes that's right yes lovely however richard when we get these MEN who go into our state owned enterprises and start managing them and <{><[>they think they own them and then they're prepared and sold off nobody screams monopoly do they <[>right no you're right <{><[>they don't <[>because they are selling monopolies <{><[><.>they <[>they have they're monopolies that THEY haven't put together i i <{><[>do take your point there's a lot <.>of <[>yes it's awful and now with telecom selling these STUPID New Zealanders' shares back in telecom to make sure they'll keep on using telecom's PHONES <.>well er did you hear about this morning this giant telephone company in america is <.>w setting up with japan china and asia a new <&>8:00 telephone system bet THAT will give bell a lot of problems yes i did and i think you'll find um <.>i in fact <.>i i know that this <.>was inhales this was mooted at the time the sale went through um and er the bell people the bell atlantic people that were down here made no secret of it they saw new zealand tut as a um as a hopping off step er hopping off stone <.>a <.>a a platform for an expansion of telecom new zealand into south east asia and possibly even into australia they er they made it clear that they couldn't do it because of federal restrictions in the united states that is they couldn't expand their empire in the united states any further er basically because of monopoly legislation up there er so they they no made no secret of it <.>they <.>they they suggested they'd come down here on the basis that new zealand would give them a platform for expansion into the south pacific and southeast asia um richard can you explain to us now with the buying of telecom and state owned enterprises like that these big firms buy them mhm and then they sell you back shares <{><[>and so they've virtually got a big business for <&>9:00 nothing really in a way <[>mhm well i suppose <.>the the only difference is you've got an option to buy the shares or otherwise but <.>they they paid er i think it was four point five billion they paid for telecom er it was a big sale at the time er but <.>you you've absolutely valid point <{><[>er what they've bought is something that er <[>and can't can't you see they they're scraping the <.>money it's like new zealand <.>i has got a guts <.>and and the guts is being taken out and we're going to crumble all this money <{><[>is just going <[>well yeah i do the contrary argument and certainly it's the one that the government both governments have put up time after time is that there is no business er <.>that well the government has no business er the state has no business running things like er coal mines telephone companies er and if it comes to that computer companies er um there is some validity <{><[>in that <[>the STATE is the FATHER to the nation has to be well yeah i i mean that that certainly was a concept that we all grew up with it's a concept that now has changed the the modern politician tells us that the state simply facilitates er the ability of a a community to <&>10:00 run its own destiny i find that a little hard to swallow but that's the argument and that's the one that certainly has precedence at the moment and it amazes me that they say in two three years things will get better well what are you going to tell these kids of eighteen and twenty they're starving now they're not going to be alive in two or three years time well i <.>d i think we might i think that's probably a LITTLE bit er <{1><[1>er a little bit emotional but i i look times have changed remarkably there's a great deal more pain in our community than there used to be i think er a lot of it is unnecessary nevertheless the argument goes and er we <.>on only the future's going to er allow that one to either come home to roost or otherwise the argument goes that er once we've got a fundamentally solid er economic structure in this country then business and enterprise will grow and we'll grow with it <{2><[2>and we'll only have to wait for that one maureen <[1>no <.>you you ask some of them <[2><.>ye richard er it's amazing jenny is being generous because she's enlarging or proposing enlarging <&>11:00 the welfare lists because if they start paying rentals to landlords well that makes a landlord a beneficiary doesn't it absolutely yeah <{><[>true but so what's money by another name <[>and then then they um er with er employing five dollars a day for dole people whoever employs them are a beneficiary they're laying off people up in auckland from the parks and reserves and they'll get the kids to go and work there for five dollars that's always been the the real threat but er tut <&>sighs keep the faith maureen keep the faith er we're the public in the end we'll we'll decide how we live and despite the politicians and with any luck er that's the sort of power we can exercise in nineteen ninety three for <.>the for the betterment of all of us i know that sounds a bit cliched but by god it's the only hope <{><[>we've got <[>well <.>you i would like you richard to try to question some of these young ones and a MAN of twenty four being on the youth rate he's a MAN <{><[>not a youth <[>yeah that's true that's true maureen thanks for your call okay all the best bye <&>11:50 <&>three minutes twenty five seconds advertisement break not transcribed <&>15:14 and this is wellington two z b one of the great marketing machines in town the time at the moment er eleven twenty one and a half coming up now pat on one good morning pat yes um this is nothing <.>l like what's been on before but i was wondering <{1><[1>er laughs if seen t v last night and the item about the food handling in various takeaway places <{2><[2>in christchurch <[1>that's wonderful pat <[2>indeed particularly in christchurch and er <.>th as a consequence there's been something of a panic over listeria <{><[>rather <[><.>well um i'm just wondering what on earth was the point of that item because first of all they were very vague about it um the average man in the street's got <&>16:00 no way of knowing what the conditions are like at the back of the shop so all it will do is panic people true now in this <.>e <.>e um fragile economic time you've probably got a lot of small businesses trying to hang on and keep going and it just needs a bit of panic like that to put them out of business well that's <.>the that's the awful balance i suppose between er what's perceived to be news what's perceived to be er <.>th the right of the public to know and <{><[>er what's the reality <[>but they don't know anything but they're not being told anything <.>yes they've just been <.>told you see they're told one out of four is dangerous well that means three out of four are all right that's true <.>this it comes as a consequence in fact of a report er a health department report done IN christchurch i think more than a fortnight ago so er <.>in in a sense the news is a bit dated er i'm not suggesting that <.>the er the danger's not there but <.>it it comes as <.>a as a result er of the health department yesterday or the day before and katherine oregan er attempting to warn particularly er <&>17:00 expectant mothers that <.>the the threat from listeria was um was something that they had to be cognisant <&>pronounced as cognisance of <{><[>er <[>but don't you think they should be either specific or say nothing yes well i don't think you can say nothing but perhaps certainly more specific and i think er i can understand er the concern small shop holders and small <&>pronounced as shthall retailers must er must now be going through presuming that <.>there the public will be somewhat more wary about buying takeaway foods than was the case PREViously er it could well damage business and <&>sighs this is one of the terrible balancing acts that er people in news rooms and particularly editors are supposed to er are supposed to go through before they put these items to air but you see i don't see how it helped the people in the street saying that <.>th perHAPS this could be the case because the people have got no way of knowing so it's not doing any good whatsoever no er i <.>d well i think it brings it to the public's attention and it does seem that it's necessary that it be brought to the public's attention at this time but it perhaps could've been done a little more sensitively and a <&>18:00 little more responsibly er I didn't see the item myself but er er certainly radio and the newspapers have been running pretty much the same stories er and <.>it <.>it occurred to me at the time that er <.>i'd i'd hate to be <.>i in <.>a in a small er two man business attempting to put together party and er and takeaway foods er in an environment where people er er are panicked into believing that er virtually anything they took off the shelves could somehow damage their health in fact it's been made quite clear by the health department AND by katherine oregan that er it's certainly er <.>l listeria itself is not going to damage HEALTHY people and er will have only a very limited effect on those that might er be suffering from some sort of immune deficiency but i thought they were two separate items you see you would have had the listeria <.>thing yes but <.>one one tended to <.>ta er to sort of track the other as it were er <.>i <.>it voc the focus went from listeria onto the handling of er <.>of of foods in particularly christchurch where the report was a couple of weeks old yes i just feel that <.>it it's achieved no a <.>pur no good purpose except scaremongering i'll <.>ta take your point and i think <.>we'll we'll pass it on to the editors concerned <&>19:00 <{><[>and thanks pat i think it's very valid point all the best <&>19:01 <[><.>o okay thank you good bye