<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>10:34 evening cliff yeah hi <,> mike yep how are you well yeah i've got about three or four little things i want to talk about look i really admire <,> gilbert <,> and hamish <,> for doing what they've done mm and i just hope that everyone in the country that wants to write to them writes to them and joins their party <,> um well only if it's a decent party worth joining well yeah i i agree with you there mike um i just hope they come up with some of the ideas that i listened to that lady about ten minutes ago talking about because i believe <,> that there's a lot of <&>11:00 people in this country that have got a lot of ideas that could put a government together that would clean up both the <,> labour and national parties we'd never see them again laughs um <{><[>you know <.>i <[>that's optimistic i was talking to er your ex <,> um that was <,> on a few months ago there yeah and i was actually talking about <{><[>um <[>thought you were talking about one of my old girlfriends there i thought christ <{><[>my <,> past is coming back to haunt me there for a minute <[>oh no no not your girlfriends no not your girlfriend laughs no <.>i i was talking to him about independent m ps <,> and i believe what we have GOT to get independent m ps into our system and running the country yeah um i i just cannot see any other way <,> i DON'T believe in party politics i never have and i never will i don't believe that independent m ps would run the country they would destroy it by arguing all day no no no it's it's it's a fifty fifty it's a it's a vote isn't it <,,> same as any <.>g any board of directors any any <,> sports club <{><[>anything that's run by a committee <[>oh i see what you're saying yep yep yep fair <{><[>enough <[>yep you have a fifty fifty vote and if seventy percent want it that's it that's the law who's prime minister um <.>he you can select him from amongst them just an individual? as an individual <{><[>from amongst those people he can be voted on on even on a new zealand <&>12:00 wide basis <[>yeah yes <.>indeed same as they do with the mayors today but you got to have a bit of a cohesive policy as far as the direction you want to take the country in though don't you? well <.>y you know <.>y you could you could establish that between you mike now <,> you know <.>i i wrote down right from the word go here i've got to go through a list or otherwise i'm going to screw up what i'm saying <,> um <.>you <.>you you mentioned a <.>wh a while ago mike and you hit the nail on the head about the government for three years you know this is what i'm saying it's a diSAster <,> they come up with this party politics they come up with a heap of GARbage <,> there's NO longterm planning <,> um <.>th the system just destroys itself with the with the next damned <,> party at the next election <,> <.>o making promises that they can't <,> you know <,> keep and control <,> um <.>it it's just it's just a major RACket going on so how long should we have it well <,> you know <.>i i read an article in the paper about oh must be about <,> couple of years ago um one of the political scientists had written it <,> and it was actually ON independent m ps <,> <.>an and it was <.>i <.>i <.>i i was just <.>a astounded with it it was BRILLIANT <,> um it came up and <.>i <.>i it stated how <&>13:00 this thing should go <.>an and it put a lot more thought than what i'd ever put into it <,> cos i've always believed in independent m ps <,> um and <,> he actually <.>s gave <.>a a guy you know like a guy comes out with a manifesto <,,> right? or or his ideas and beliefs yep there <.>mi <.>l like i'm in tauranga right? <,> there might be twenty guys in tauranga that <.>s want to stand for <,> the local <.>say <,> say ten guys want to stand for the tauranga electorate for the kaimai electorate <,> those guys come up with their ideas beliefs they put them on paper <,,> now those things are sealed on paper and they're opened <,> <.>with in with their registration right and they're opened on a given day <,> so no one else can steal their ideas and come up with any other ideas <,> because those guys have already written them down and they're there and opened on the same day at the same time <,,> and then the people can go through those ideas with those <.>indepe independent guys as they're interviewed right? <,> and the people are then going to vote for the guys that they believe are going to do the best for them <,> and those guys have written down what they believe and therefore they're going to have to stick to what they're saying <,> or get a bullet between the eyes <,> and i mean get fired out of their job right now <,> at that stage this this this is where this <&>14:00 guy came in and he said that if a guy got in as as an independent m p right? <,> you don't have a time on him <,,> there was no elections every three years <,> that was eliminated <,> if that guy was a good m p in tauranga he might last <,> for ten years he might last for twenty years <,> if he was a BUM he might last for six months and get booted out <,> and then they have another election and they get a guy in there that's going to do the job and he stays there <,> um and <.>a and <.>a and for me it's it's the only way the country would ever run and be efficiently run <,> um <,> you know that that that lady said about you know two back here <,> you know what she said <.>i i <.>j i just loved what she was saying <,> i just loved her as a speaker she was brilliant the canadian woman yeah you know see i'm trying to mount a bit of an argument against it but i can't really think of one that well <,> the only problem i would have with that is you would er have a tendency to get a few buffoons in there <,> buffoons that can er sucker the public yeah <.>bu <.>i <.>i if they if they're not doing their job mike it's <.>it <.>it it's going to come out in a very quick <,> thing i think mm <{><[><.>y yeah <[>you know you're you're getting a <,> a lot of guys you know like <,> these guys crossing the floor <&>15:00 in parliament at the moment they've got a lot of GUTS and i tell you what i'd be doing the same thing down there <,> you know <.>there there's too many guys that needle along and <.>ju just <,> suck into <,> the upstairs um department to keep their jobs and and and keep the peace and every other darn thing eh? <.>an and <.>i i'm afraid i just don't believe in that er i don't either party politics in this country is bad <{><[>bad news <[>oh it it it's just crazy <{><[>crazy <[>the fact that labour has got a law that says you can't vote against your party is <.>absurd yeah well you know <{><[>that that to me is is it's not party it's it's <,> what the hell would you call it's it's it's communism it's dictatorship <[>that's not democracy yes i don't wouldn't call it communism because the TRUE system of communism is the way maoris live in new zealand <,> the old maori <,> way of living where they shared pure communism is an excellent thing because <{><[>everyone's equal <[>yeah yeah <{><[>that's it <[>and noone's got any complaints yeah but er the problem is that it never works as <{><[>we well know <[><.>y yeah i referred that as communism as it was overseas where there was dictatorship and you do this and you do that we were talking about that in the office today someone suggested a good dictator might be the answer for this country and i couldn't <.>a actually disagree with them laughs just be a problem of trying to find the RIGHT person <&>16:00 and er we <.>a we all agreed at the end of the day that er power corrupts and they'd become corrupt very quickly so we'd need to get rid of them <.>tha that would be the problem i would say yes indeed it would but <{><[>er i don't know why we need ninety seven of them the electorates don't get represented overly well in this er system of ours i mean that's changed a LITTLE bit after the latest election and people like laws er go on endlessly about how they're into their electorate and all that and maybe he is and terrific for him but <,> it's er you know it's er it's a bit of a mockery isn't it <[>yes yeah <{><[>yeah <[>it's <.>all it's all high level it's all bolger shipley richardson those are the people that run this country the backbenchers don't run this country <{><[>never have never well <[>no the poor guys don't they don't get a say in <.>mike no <{><[>it's a joke <[>and and as m ps they should be <,> as <.>indepe <.>y yeah on an electorate they should be saying what that electorate wants well <{><[>as individuals they would er count then wouldn't they <[>you know yeah <{><[>yeah <[>a lot more than they do now you know and <.>th this is where you know in in <.>a in <.>a in a given subject <,> um i actually work for an insurance company okay? <{><[><.>an and the mess that i see out there when i'm visiting people just MINDboggles me i talked to a lady this afternoon oh sorry this morning and a <&>17:00 bit of this afternoon in tauranga <,> and i actually went through and did a budget for her <,> you know and <.>i <.>i i couldn't go to sell her anything when i looked at what she was in i <.>didn't i wouldn't even <,> <.>s sell her a product that was gonna cost her seventeen dollars a month <,> right <,> she couldn't afford it <,,> now <.>i i read an article in the paper here a couple of weeks ago about a um solo mum <,> and i actually rang up the poor old um <,> um bay times lady and <.>i i sort of blew the socks off her a bit <,> because the lady had a car <,,> um and it was costing her around about sixty to seventy dollars a week i estimated for her to run that car now the lady i talked to today had a car <[>mm yeah <&>17:30