<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>17:30 she owned the car <,> she was probably putting ten oh i think it was ten dollars a week in petrol into it <,> and you know just the minor repairs she had on it <,> but you know she was in a situation where she had <,> actually about a THOUsand dollars worth of bills <,> right? which she'd got herself in car <.>b one was a rate <,> and a few car repairs and some shoes she'd bought for the children <,> now it was gonna take her <,> nearly fifteen sixteen months to pay that off alone <,> mike without having any other problems occur mm and this was just <.>her paying her basic rates <&>18:00 <,> paying her basic house insurance <,> which wasn't with me by the way so i hadn't sold her that <,> and her CAR insurance <,> and her power and her telephone mm now she <.>had the children had asthma so she <,> needed a car to get to the doctor i'd admit there's no bus service out where she was <,> you know that was that was a case that i saw that was you know a borderline job and and she has had her benefit cut down <,> one lot of fifty i think she was coming up to the second lot of fifty <,> you know <.>an and there there's just SO many people out there like it hurting <,> you know <,> REALLY hurting <,> um <,> mike can i just say something else you know <.>i <.>i i just get aSTOUNDed REAlly astounded with the amount of JUNK that we're importing into new zealand <,> you know <.>we we've and <,> we're importing UNTOLD <,> you know you name it we're importing it yeah and i just cannot see the LOGIC <,> in doing what we're doing yeah you know you've got all the <.>s second hand japanese cars we're bringing in tyres we're bringing in clothing <,> we're bringing in timber we're bringing in cement <,> we're bringing in reinforcing steel we're bringing in steel <,> i think we might have to do that but <.>th <.>y you know the <{><[>the reinforcing steel we <.>don't <[>yeah word <&>19:00 consumer driven though you see <,> <{1><[1>consumer driven you look on the roads of tauranga <.>the er they're packed with <,> secondhand japanese <{2><[2>cars <[1>yep but <[2>oh i agree with you i agree with you but <,> you know <,> <.>i i have got a great philosophy mike and i've had this for years i believe we NEED to LEGislate <.>i i beLIEVE in legislation <,> um i believe we need <&>pronounced as leed to legislate the price of things and and keep them there at a given figure <,> um you know the stock market for instance is is one of the biggest RACkets that's ever been invented <,> um the stock market should be run on a basis <,> where at the end of the year the company has has shown a profit <,> right? mm well the stock the value of those shares rise by that percentage <,> not trading daily on an up and down basis with some poor sucker losing all his money and the rich guy making it <,> um <.>an and these are the types of problems we see just going on endlessly and endlessly <,,> and you know <.>i i'm talking about legislation that helps people not not hinders people there's a lot in what you say mate and i'm going to think about it during the next ad break yep <{><[>right oh mike <[>it was a good call i <{><[>appreciate it <[>brillant thanks very much <{><[>bye <[>very good calls tonight <&>20:01 <&>advertisements and news not transcribed <&>20:08 hello how are you well nice to talk to you from sunny tolaga bay and to you too <,> from sunny wellington laughs you're joking yes yeah <,> er look i want to make er three points because i think i've heard a fair amount of er <,> garbage tonight <{><[>mainly from <,> people who er <[>laughs laughs mainly from people who er <,> surPRISingly there are still people who support the present government <{><[>and that really does astound me <[>yes indeed no not at <{><[>all <[>it does <,> well you know i've i've got to say it it <.>a astounds me because er <,> you know one doesn't <,> MIND integrity <,> one doesn't MIND harsh policy <,> one doesn't mind <&>21:00 being beaten down <,> one doesn't mind a whole lot of things <,> but we do mind <,> people who get a job <,> by lying to get it <,> and that's what we've had in this country for too long <,,> now let's just make three points <,> first <,> we've had seven years of the present economic policies <,> and this country is in a worse position than it has ever been in my memory mhm and my memory goes back a long way to when? well back before the nineteen thirties which yours probably doesn't no it doesn't so i'll <{><[>disagree with you this country's NOT in as bad a position as it was in the thirties <[>mm well you don't know what you're talking about tut okay um <,> that's er <,> you know <,> seven <&>22:00 years of these policies and we really are in a very serious situation wouldn't disagree there and so <,> what the <.>gov people voted for <.>w last time was a change <,,> possibly but they haven't got a change <,> it's the same old rubbish could i <{><[><.>sugg <[>and we go further and further down the plughole mhm <,> well we're not actually we're slowly climbing out of it oh laughs oh goodness me which economic papers do you read well what indicators er er are you quoting <{><[>off <[>the next the next indication for unemployment is <{><[>even greater unemployment <[>yep oh yes by nineteen ninety three it's going to be twelve point one percent yeah even greater unemployment do you think that's good <{><[>well i don't i think that's disastrous <[>not <.>at <,> not at all <,> not at all is that your sole indicator though that you base the er health of an economy on? well that's a pretty important indicator <{1><[1>because those are people you're <{2><[2>talking about <[1>did didn't <[2>sure <.>did didn't say it wasn't imPORtant did i <{><[><.>i i asked you whether it was the SOLE indicator <&>23:00 <[>they're people no of course it's not the <{><[>sole indicator <[>well what are what are the other ones that you <{><[>base it on <[>but it's a very important <{><[>indicator <[>yes indeed what are the other indicators you use what indicator would you like well i don't know <.>tell i don't know <.>wh <{><[>what <.>ind <[>come on you say that it's getting better where is it getting better no no i want to know from YOU <,> what indicators you use to tell me that the economy is getting worse <,,> the indicators are the deficit yep <,,> the indicators are what we've got to SELL to get rid of that deficit yep <,,> the indicators are <,> disinvestment rather than investment mhm what else would you like well it doesn't worry me it's just whatever you use to indicate what you know your comments that's all well we've been told that these policies that started seven years ago were going to bring more investment and they've brought LESS <,> we're <.>going we were told that selling the assets was going to get rid of our public debt <&>24:00 <,> our overseas debt it has got greater mm <,,><&>3 and we've got <,> DAMN all left to sell yes <,> so give me your answer <,,> now that really is a stupid question oh all right <{><[>so <[>if i was to give you an answer it would take more time than your programme's got <,> and you know that well what are <{><[>your <.>bas <[>because that's a cheap <.>tact question no well <.>wh what are your basic answers then <,> what do we need to do how are we going to do it? basically the answer is <,,><&>3 to develop a bit of industry here but not to the STUpid extent that we did before by overprotection <,> we need a MODerate level of protection this is BASic this is there's a lot of detail in all this and i can't answer it on a short programme but let's do some of the things the japanese and the germans do <,> they don't go around opening the country up to all sorts of people just because the international bankers say you've got to do this <,> they do it to suit their national <&>25:00 interest <,> we do it for foolish reasons mm however my next point <,,> on <,> superannuation <,,> i happen to be a superannuitant and it wouldn't have worried me too much if <.>the if the parties prior to the election have <.>s had said <,> now this is the way it's got to be <,> in fact i think labour more or less did say that <,> <.>h didn't give any indication of changing their surtax <,> er <,> but <,> against that we had mister bolger <,> saying that's a dreadful thing labour have done <,> we're going to fix this up and you superannuitants are going to do SO well mhm under our policy <,> we're going to abolish that surcharge <,> but he didn't say he was going to bring in something worse he gave the people the imPRESSion mm the clear impression <,> that they were going to <&>26:00 be better off <,> after he had won the election <,> than they were before indeed he did and interviewers i saw lindsay perigo on television <,> say to mister bolger <,,> but the country can't afford this mister bolger <,> how can you give such a promise <,> and mister bolger said and i quote that is a commitment of the national party <,,> now <,> that fellow and a lot of his cronies won comfortable cushy jobs <,> because of that <,> commitment that was given on a number of occasions yep now it's no use saying <,> he's got integrity for not doing it <,> he lacked integrity for making the promise and there are a few PERsonal <&>27:00 things about all this <,> i feel sorry for example for the member the EXmember for gisborne <,,> mister wallbank who lost his seat <,,><&>3 because of the er promise <,> the undertaking made and underlined and repeated ad nauseam mm by mister bolger <,> <{><[>and people were on your programme tonight saying he was a man of integrity <,> goodness me now the THIRD point i want to make is that i was so disappointed in YOU <,> and that fellow from the university whatever his name is <,> i forget his name now roberts or something like that i can't remember <[>should people <.>vote nigel roberts? no oh well the fellow who was on your programme earlier <,> he was from a university no i haven't had anyone from a university <{><[>on tonight <[>oh well he was a political commentator or something <{><[>like that <[>richard griffin oh that's right <&>28:00 yes <{><[>you're right that was his name yeah <[>yeah mm where does he come from well he's employed by radio new zealand as our chief political editor <,,> well you know i i was SO disappointed that you two <,> RIDiculed <,> myles and macintyre <,> for standing up and being counted mm you ridiculed them no i <{><[>i voc <[>and i <,> you know <,> really when you think of what <,> when you think <,> of <.>th what labour did to introduce such surtax which was <,> a breach of promise <,,> then you get <,> another party coming along and making all sorts of promises that they had NO intention of keeping and getting elected by that wouldn't it have been better if you'd said look isn't it time that WE the people of new zealand <,> started <,> to think about what we can DO <,> about politicians <,> promising anything to get their <&>29:00 bums on comfortable seats <,> with lovely superannuation benefits with great salaries <,> er and then when they get in <,> they've secured the job <,> well we'll do what we like from here on so what should <{><[>happen <[>now <,,> at least we should be starting to think about it <,> and i would've thought people like you would be starting to encourage people to think about <.>it yes i am <{><[>but <.>wh <[>it's a terrible thing but what's <{><[>the answer <[>that people should be able to do this what's the answer well i think we should be trying to find one yes but what do you have one <,,><&>4 well perhaps er perhaps er we could have a bill of rights <,> which provided <,,> and i thought mister palmer might've done something about this which provided that where <&>30:00 er <,> governments <,,> on election found <,,> that <.>w it was impossible to carry out <,> the promises <,,> the very promises on which they were elected <,> that there was some sort of appeal back to the people mm i mean if mister bolger had REAL integrity <,> surely he would say <,,> i can't carry out those things i promised you i'd carry out <,> this is the state of affairs <,,><&>3 <{><[>now if you want me to carry on if you want me to carry on <,,> then you give me another mandate <[><.>that that's what that that's what <.>i yep i suggested that very thing tonight you don't listen to the programme very clearly yes <.>i <.>li listen very clearly well that's exactly what i suggested at about ten past ten no you didn't all right you didn't <{><[><.>s <[>well you <.>p you replay it and have another listen to it <{><[>but that's not what you said <&>30:58 <&>end of side one <[><.>wou <.>wou