<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side two <&>12:54 hello bill hello mike i'm sorry i shouldn't have put you on i got somebody else in front of you but you leapt in front <&>13:00 er very good er i'm going to rarotonga in april and i've got the thing in front of me about tipping and it says there tipping is not practised or encouraged at all that's right please do not offend by offering tips well that's the the reason for that is because the island people in rarotonga are so generous and courteous yeah that's right and lovely with their time they don't need to be encouraged with financial reward to er to do a good job now i've been over to england and er er <.>it er oh years and years ago and of course they <.>w <.>we tipping was practised there to a large degree <,> taxi drivers <{><[>especially and in australia a certain amount of it is done providing you get good service <[>yeah the <.>difficult well i mean <.>at <.>at this early stage it's probably fair enough isn't it in the sense that if you get exceptional service and <.>y and and it's over and beyond the call of duty then maybe you say well this <.>w this is worth a reward and i guess that's fair enough the <&>14:00 difficulty of it is is that if you introduce it if you welcome it then inevitably what happens is you find yourself in the american situation whereby EVERYbody expects a tip service or no service service or no <{><[><.>s service that's right <[>and all you're all you're doing is lining their pockets to be ordinary and i mean why would you do that no reason at all to <{><[>do that <[>so exactly i think that service i mean it it is part of the job isn't it if you're a receptionist or you're a waiter or a porter or whatever and you serve people that's your JOB isn't it exactly none of <.>the i mean the voc you don't pay me any extra if i crack an extra joke this morning or say something particularly clever i'm paid to do my job and i do it every morning it's the same as same as applicable to every job isn't it oh it is <{><[>i <[>and i don't know why they're worried about it i don't even know why they er brought the subject up inevitably i think that er if we keep going the way we are we will find it in this country because we'll naturally follow on the coat tails of other countries exactly but it's a custom that needs to be avoided i am sure where are you <{><[>staying in rarotonga by the way <[>yeah er the edgewater <.>res <{><[>resort <&>15:00 <[>very nice place very good choice we <{><[>stayed at the rarotongan and er that was a mistake and the other one is the pacific resort i think it is from memory but you'll enjoy the edgewater it's got all the good facilities nice beach and all of that sort of thing <[>yep <{><[>yeah i <[>you ever been there before no i've never been there before outstanding place yeah well the travel agent said it was er the edgewater was the best one there yeah <.>the the the three the rarotongan the edgewater and the pacific are are regarded as the sort of the main ones there but they they were running down the rarotongan when we were there because of the new hyatt or sheraton or whatever the big one is they're building there but you'll have a ball buy yourself a tee shirt they're got a local tee shirt industry and they make very creative tee shirts and when i was there they were only six bucks a tee shirt oh that's good and er the fruit and vegetables are incredibly cheap yeah the er the licence you got to get for your motor scooter you got to hire a motor scooter you're not going to hire a car are you i don't know i <{1><[1>haven't made up my mind on that <{2><[2>yet <[1>hire a motor <.>sc <[2>motor scooter's a lot of fun a lot of fresh air <{><[>and you're got to take a licence test <[>yeah yeah <{><[>that's <.>right <&>16:00 <[>and the licence test they'll er make you go round the block and the cop will follow you it's hilarious laughs it would be too <{><[>laughs <[>and it's one of the great revenue generating exercises you know they really don't care whether you drive properly or not all they want's your two bucks yeah that's right it's a wonderful place <{><[>rarotonga <[>well one book said two bucks and the other book said two dollars fifty well it was two dollars when i was there it may well have been updated since then <{1><[1>but <.>every everything's a bargain in rarotonga and er life seems so simple and er you can sit on the beach you know you drive along that road there there's just one road on the island go round and round and round and er in evening you can see the locals out there catching their dinner <{2><[2>catch some fish on the reef you <{3><[3>can go er snorkelling you know you can go up to knee deep and there are all these beautiful tropical fish there just swimming around you it's incredible place <[1>yeah <[2>yeah <[3>yeah yeah <{1><[1>i'm looking forward for it <{2><[2>all <[1>have a good time <[2>well so you should be i'm envious now i shouldn't have started talking about it have a good trip mate okay thanks very much mike all the best good <{><[>ta <[>it's one of the great tourist destinations rarotonga it's er it remains to this day under commercialised which <&>17:00 i've always found a particularly attractive aspect of er going on holidays if you go to er various islands around the pacific they're awfully commercialised nowadays and the prices go through the roof and it's all very er plastic and superficial but rarotonga is is is incredibly unsuperficial really it's very unsophisticated in many ways <&>17:18 <&>one minute five seconds not transcribed as HM's monologue continues <&>18:23 there's that thing about human nature isn't there that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and it's not always true hello anne <{><[>you've been very patient i've put put all these people on in front of you <[>that's not fair oh that's all right mike it was <.>ve very nice listening to you talking anyway as you <.>t oh you've taken the words out of my mouth actually i was just going to say the grass on the other side is always greener it is isn't it um this morning actually i <.>i i must confess i wasn't going to ring you first i was trying to get through to the christchurch council botanical gardens and after thirty five minutes of trying and nonstop engaged signals um and time limited i thought well i'll talk to you <&>19:00 about what i'm concerned about and it was the teddy bears' picnic yesterday <{1><[1>and i i <.>h a bouquet to all the organisation excellent even the powers that be that turned on the weather but for all of us grandmas mums dads who toddled along to the paddling pool some with lilos in their swimming togs the <.>m the grounds were beautiful no water absolutely no water <{2><[2>in the paddling pond <[1>right <[2>where in the pool? yes only two weeks of summer holidays to go and no water in there i haven't been there this year so i can't say whether it's been filled and drained but for a big event like this yesterday how bizarre it was absolutely heartbreaking <{><[>and <.>the <[>did they use the pool for anything no it just said <{1><[1>out of order no no no it just said out of order and <{2><[2>of course yes so would you accept that without the kids <.>cr you know you have an ice block and you say oh well it's out of order and and that but i was quite concerned on walking back through <&>20:00 inhales the main park again behind the um tut stage there's the victoria lake there which was considerably churned up and muddy with the pirates' display and we rescued a little tot about fourteen months who had just toddled straight out into that muddy deep water and it isn't shallow <[1>no activities in there or <[2>out of order? oh maybe they had a crack in there or something yeah you go down just about nearly up to neck deep of <{><[>this little one <[>that's right where where was er his parents where WERE his <{><[>parents asleep <[>asleep yes oh <{><[>yes <[>and there were a lot of parents asleep i mean but voc <.>g falling asleep i know it's back to supervision but falling asleep by this dirty muddy water you couldn't even see it was so thick and then a lot of other children were playing there as well and i just felt that my concern that these children were playing in this filthy muddy water and the money that has been spent on the botanical grounds i would like to have known an answer but as i say <{><[>word <&>21:00 <[>well <.>ka kathleen'll get on to <{1><[1>it she'll she'll break through <{2><[2>the red tape fear not <[1>yeah <[2>well that's what i thought i tried the botanical gardens first cos i would have liked <{1><[1>to have come to you and to voice my concern and said right i HAVE done something <{2><[2>about it but i haven't got through yeah but <.>it but it's quite sad isn't it that a big event like this two weeks of school holidays no water to paddle in <{3><[3>word <[1>yeah <[2>well good on you no at least the thought the thought was there the thought was there and that's what counts <[3>that's on the yeah out of order <{1><[1>indicates a crack or something wrong with the <{2><[2>facility doesn't it <[1>mm <[2>well i hope not it's all been resurfaced <{><[>so <[>sure i was there a week ago and <.>i i'm sure that it was a sunny day and there were a <{1><[1>zillion people there and i'm almost almost certain there was water <{2><[2>in it at the time <{3><[3>certainly there were kids in the pool <{4><[4>and if there was no water they were wasting their time weren't they <[1>was there water <[2>oh <[3>yes <[4>oh yeah people were paddling yeah wandering around in it but no water at all in in either of them so <{><[>word interesting <[>oh well how how strange yeah yeah we'll <{><[>check it out kathleen's on to it fear not bye bye <[>yep thank you mike yes thank you bye bye it's nine twenty nine your calls welcome this morning three four oh ten ninety eight <&>21:48 <&>four minutes fifty six seconds of HM's monologue plus news and weather broadcasts and commercials not transcribed <&>26:44 the answer to the pool is er that they painted it it was too slippery so they er had a lot of complaints about children falling over so for the er picnic yesterday they emptied it so noone would use it and they're going to sandblast it and they're going to repaint it so the young ones don't slip over that's the <&>27:00 reason for the emptying it see you <.>ca <.>you you put a question to us we will find the answer hello albie good morning mike i would like to er make reference to your er interview with er ruth richardson on friday yep where she said i suggest to you you don't know what you're talking about now mike she does this on a regular basis albie yes but i would suggest to her that she doesn't know what she's talking about because the proof of the pudding is always in the eating and her policy to date has hasn't got us anywhere well that's not true <{1><[1>we we we we must be careful of sweeping generalisations <{2><[2>inhales er she gave us six main points er the things that this government wanted to achieve in its first term inhales <{3><[3>er she she's hooked in on inflation and interest rates and <{4><[4>she is right they are they are better off they are lower and many people are better off because of them it's not just the national government that did that labour started that of course the two that we were talking about the deficit and the unemployment rate er you're right and er they've got us nowhere you're in in fact the <&>28:00 only place they have got us is worse off than we were before <[1>is that not true <[2>yes <[3>yes <[4>yes exactly er the argument still remains that er she believes the policies the government are following at the moment will eventually pay off it becomes increasingly debatable because once again you're right in saying the proof in er is in the eating or the er the results are the only things that count aren't they exactly and the results so far and er george hawkins pointed it out the other day if an election was held tomorrow and unemployment will have risen EIGHTEEN percent in the last two and a bit years from a government that promised to halve it and er that's the result that's the end of the story and so i suppose that all you can say is that at this point it's a failure it's er a matter now of us listening and making up our minds and deciding whether or not that the general path that we're travelling down is is the correct one <{><[>yeah <[>many will say it's not of course it'll be very interesting to see this year anyway and i'm looking forward to it oh it's a <.>stunning it'll be a FAscinating year as far as observation is concerned the tragedy of political debate though is that as <&>29:00 as interesting as it is it is in fact affecting our lives isn't it <{><[>and and it's great to discuss these things and it's great to er speculate and pontificate about possibilities and probabilities but er you know policies affect our lives and interest rates going down mean that er if you want to invest some you're not receiving as much in return i'm paying less on my mortgage unemployment's going up you know all of these things that er shape our lives in a at this stage anyway a fairly unhappy fashion don't they <[>yeah i think the price is too high yeah i the the i i would agree i would agree with you i think that er you look at the <.>unemploy those unemployment figures particularly and er go back to eighty four or preeighty four or when unemployment wasn't as big a deal as it is now and you balance that up the social cost of unemployment versus the er the economic gains that we've made and you got to ask it's a pretty tough question you got to ask and i don't have the answer i don't think anybody does actually BUT i'm yet to i'm yet to be convinced of something stunning in the way of an alternative if there was a war tomorrow mike there'd be all <&>30:00 the money in the world to equip and send young people away mm so we've got word an economic war and we should fight it with the same methods yes but the difficulty is where do you get that money from we've got to create it how do we do that well er the in the er depression of the thirties where i live there was a concrete wall nice stone wall built right round the waterfront and the er labour was paid for out of number five scheme <{><[>we've got something to show for it and the people doing the job were learning something constructive <[>mm sure that's true the problem is we didn't have any debt back then did we didn't have to borrow from the banks and when we did we paid it back we can't do that any more and that's the great tragedy of it all yes and if you owed as much money as this country did you wouldn't borrowing any more to spend it either would you <.>perha perhaps where this country is not being run inside the country perhaps we're being dictated to <.>by by <{><[>influences outside <[>there's there's an element of that if i was if i was mister banker <&>31:00 and you were er mister new zealand and you owed me sixty four billion dollars i'd be calling the tune wouldn't i of course you would <{><[>yes and we've silly to get ourselves into that situation <[>yeah weren't we just but it's all our fault to be fair <{1><[1>mister muldoon came to the people of the country and he said we'll make this superannuation universal won't we <{2><[2>we'll have a wage and price freeze and we'll you know do all those wonderful protectionist things that got us in trouble in the first place <[1>laughs <[2>yes yes and then the labour government came in and made a whole lot of stupid decisions that saw us borrowing ludicrous amounts of money for minimal return <&>pronounced as retur and here we are in ninety ninety three i voc debt up to the eyeballs it's a <{><[>frightening business isn't it <[>laughs laughs certainly is good to talk to you well good on you mike <{><[>thank you bye <[>bye bye <&>31:36