<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>28:15 laughs you've got no civil rights when you're dead have you no didn't she put that well yes yes she did mm she couldn't have put it better i've just been reading the article licence to kill in the north and south er magazine yeah and um <,> er <.>i it seems you know with <.>this it's the rugby mentality that sort of fosters and rugby league um drinking? and it <.>y you know to exist in this country you you've got to be a drinker <,> it just you know it's very hard to get by and have a social life if you don't drink <{><[>word <[>and like there's something wrong with you if you haven't been drunk <,> <{><[>isn't there really really wrong if you haven't been out of it yep <[>yeah like you haven't belonged to the club that's right you you're er you're voc you're <&>29:00 in er a figure of suspicion if you don't sort of <,> drink regularly with the rest have you got sons yes i've got one he doesn't drink <.>m how old is he twenty doesn't he that's unusual for a twenty year old why's that um well i've got four children and oh a few of them will have the OCCASIONAL drink but none of them get drunk ever because i um as i brought them up i told them about all the horrors of <{><[>drunkenness and i must admit i drink <[>mm mm but i i <.>t i told them i didn't want them to be like that <,> in my family we have a long line of alcoholics and i told them i didn't want them to be like that and they're not it's it's more credit to them than me so it's sensible for you to warn them because there is evidence it's sort of like an inherited gene that makes you addicted to certain substances well most certainly mhm and another thing i'm ringing about um i was MOST <,> irate i was watching frontline there were three programmes the first two were very interesting and the third was about three australian couples who've come to live in new zealand mm and they started the programme by saying <&>30:00 there's been a um about two thousand people <.>c um australians come to live over here so i though oh yeah well so what how many have gone to live over there in the last twelve months and then <.>it these three couples who were quite well to do gave their opinion on how wonderful it is to live in new zealand there was no <.>bi there was bias there was no balance mm the emphasis was and ONE actually said that jim bolger's doing a great job which programme was this frontline frontline last sunday i COULDN'T believe it <,> there were about six of us sitting in the lounge and we were just speechless it <{><[>was just a political programme and i've been trying to ring the director a john mackay in auckland but um <[>laughs what was the name of the of the segment in in it on frontline oh i can't remember but it was the last one it was <{><[>about the australians come to live in new zealand <[>okay all right well sally thank you for your call and i wonder if anyone else would like to comment three oh nine three oh double nine is our telephone number our director of programmes <&>31:00 for alac glen quinn with us very very shortly <&><&>31:02 end of side one <&>side two <&>1:50 not coming back from australia coming from australia to live mm er they were australians and er they found that er their country was going down the tubes and new zealand was the <&>2:00 place to live and there was one guy there that had bought a business here and he was employing staff he was <.>walking working for a um a neon er lighting company in new zealand as managing um factory manager whatever and he was going on about how good this country was and all that and i though gee i wonder if he's getting paid by the national party <&>transmission fades out through rest of utterance to put that out and did they bring up pokare kare ana <{><[>gently under the word tears to your eyes with the flag in the background <[>laughs yeah what i rang for jenny is um is it alan dickson on the is it a what's the guy's yep yep on on <{><[>drive <[>yeah i i i enjoy his programme and i hear it in the er late afternoon i i do enjoy it but i don't agree with him and his er his theory on the random breath testing i used to be a ministry of transport traffic officer for ten and half years and i spent er seven and a half years in southland mm um down there my <.>m my belief is this that um <.>i it should have come a <.>lo long long time ago er it's been a long time coming and i feel that the civil liberties and all this carry on is a <&>3:00 little bit out of hand the point is the road safety is is the first priority and drinking and driving and speed are one of the the well the two major er causes of <.>ro road accidents in new zealand what annoys me is that when i was down south i was actually watching a a major intersection just out of invercargill and i had the patrol car parked off a side road and this was a bad a bad area there's quite a few fatal accidents that occurred there and i was just watching the traffic flow one afternoon when i was approached by the publican of a hotel the woodlands tavern just out of invercargill it's not the guy's obviously not there now but he came over and he says what are you doing parking here and i said er why what's it to you and he said well i don't want you parking over here and i said well i'm not actually watching your hotel that's what you're worried about i said i'm watching this intersection mm he said well you're stopping my patrons from drinking and i thought to myself look christ almighty what the hell are we supposed to be doing yeah well what did you say to him then oh look he came out with a video camera mm and he started a video on it and i had a complaint <{><[>lodged through to the chief traffic officer about me being parked there <[>what <&>4:00 what as a persecution or <{><[>something <[>yeah yeah just trying to <{><[>word <[>well i hope your boss backed you up he did but the point is you know this is this is what's happened for you know many years jenny is that the situation is they're trying to protect the people i mean as far as i'm concerned if they want to drink and drive that's their problem but the people they're killing on the roads it's about time it stopped do you know what i wish that people like you would park your patrol cars right outside the carpark behind the booze barn <{><[>that's where i wish you'd sit <[>word there's a lot of things there's a lot of red tape <{><[>involved <[>aren't you allowed to do that no you were you weren't you weren't <{><[>virtually allowed to um you know to actually er stop them coming out of the hotel car park <[>why why not well because it was er you had to actually stop them for an offence they had to do something wrong but er i <.>re i recall about two years ago somebody was marking when they had these blitzes they were marking the headlights in in some of the carparks with a cross so when the car came out they knew that person was drunk in the hotel and he had a car yes so they'd pull him over but you know okay <.>th all these games they play i mean <&>5:00 speeding motorists have radar detectors far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed they should be vetoed straight <{><[>out of the country the point is they're PROTECTING the people to actually infringe the law and let's face it the laws are there for everybody <[>mm steve you obviously have pulled up a lot of drunk <{><[>and speeding drivers in your life <.>d what is the is there a common background to these offenders would you agree that it is a male between eighteen and twenty five with a criminal background <[>oh yeah word many many not with a criminal background <.>i my actually jenny i i can't really go along with that when i was down south a lot of people i got the majority of people who i actually stopped for drinking and driving <.>i you know i mean i'm talking about three or four drinking drivers on a SUNDAY mm on a sunday mm not saturday mm this is long before you know <.>th the sunday openings were you know were allowed in these restaurants and whatever but this was on a sunday afternoon i'd pick up three or four drunken drivers and you know their age would be around on on average about forty five <,> <{><[>they were fairly old people <[>mm mm and you know i <&>6:00 mean down i mean south <.>w when i was down there in southland this was going back to about nineteen seventy eight when i left there er southland had the highest <.>w well sorry not the highest it WAS the highest drinking province of BEER in the WORLD per population <{><[>now <.>that's <[>you had your job cut out for you then that's dead right steve good to hear from you thank you very <{><[>much jenny <[>thank you very <{><[>much <[>have a nice day expert point of view okay bye bye okay bye and er if you didn't catch who steve was he introduced himself as someone who had been a southland cop for ten years he is no longer <.>a <.>w with the m o t quite obviously er but he had first hand experience of drinking drivers <&>6:36 <&>advertisements not transcribed <&>8:15 nine three oh double nine er just reminding you that very shortly we're going to be calling sydney er news editor murray olds four murders sparked a nationwide hunt for a gang of three men er the burnt remains of a pregnant fourteen year old have been found in queensland two little children believed to have er witnessed the murder have been abducted the bodies of three miners have also been found in northern new south wales police believe that they were also shot dead by the same trio i understand that the er miners er who were shot dead in fact had just been made redundant and er their redundancy pay was stolen and er it's thought that they still have two very young kidnapped children with them <,> all right <&>9:00 glen quinn is the director of programme for alac glen welcome to the programme good morning good morning jenny compulsory er breath testing where does alac stand on this well we support it i guess it sounds like a a real constraint doesn't it on our behaviour er but what are we to do if er forty five percent of the road deaths have got alcohol involved in them and twenty two percent of the injuries then we as a community need to do something about it and i guess the years of saying look please be careful with your drinking and driving and the two don't mix are really just falling on deaf ears glen <.>what and it sounds a bit a bit severe mm but er i i guess it's got to be tried do you think that alcohol has become part of our cultural ethos oh indeed i mean over eighty percent of us are drinking regularly and it's very much part of the new zealand culture i guess what is <&>10:00 peculiar to new zealand is our drinking style which tends still to be of a binge drinking nature we tend not to drink regularly but we tend to drink in episodes and drink an awful lot <,> and it would be nice if we could change that i think there are signs of that beginning to change why do you think that is so <.>w why is it that there's so much er <,> so many of us seem to be pressured to get drunk to get really out of it once or twice a week well it's hard to really know but <.>th exhales the most logical explanation that i've heard for this is really a historical one in that in european terms and even in maori terms <.>whi in terms of our drinking we're still a very new country and there was the time when the men used to go off and work in the in the fields and in the forests and then they would come into town at the end of the week and spend all their money on liquor and that became a predominant drinking pattern er in new zealand and in a sense we're still growing out of that <&>11:00 because it's only it's it's not that long ago that we were still a frontiers country other people have put forward other ideas i'm thinking of austin mitchell er and people like him who've thought that maybe we are a passionless race of people a very inhibited race and that we need to get drunk in order to release any feelings or emotions at all which is a very tragic commentary on us isn't it well it is indeed and there maybe aspects of that that are right i mean it's often been said that the new zealand male particularly is a more inhibited being in that we do need some help to to release our feelings um there's probably no one explanation jenny it'll be a mixture of a whole lot of things but i think we are seeing a gradual change to what to a more even drinking pattern to people not getting into binge drinking quite as much as we used to now your keith evans in london <{1><[1>er he's had some very controversial things to say er <&>12:00 there's been a report filed this morning of the international summit <{2><[2>in london of of alac er <.>sa claiming that er booze companies are now being asked to help battle the health problems that they inevitably profit from <[1>yes <[2>mhm well that's right and it is quite a radical statement too i guess er i mean if we as a community are going to try and tackle alcohol misuse then everybody's got to pull their weight in this and what we've been having over the years is the public health field saying <,> <.>y you know we've got to moderate our drinking we've got to be much more careful where we drink and how we drink and the liquor industry standing off and being really very suspicious of what the public health field is about but if we DON'T bring the industry on board and acknowledge that you know the drinking that goes on in the pubs that the drinking environment advertising the way alcohol is promoted that ALL of this has got to come together and be a consistent message they are always going to be at odds with each other <&>13:00 what don't you like about the drinking environment the majority of pubs er provide well i think there are changes going on here as part of the host responsibility campaign that alac has been keen on promoting but what we have been seeing in our pubs is um a drinking environment where there's always been alcohol available where there's not been much discouragement of drunken drinking where there's not been food available or low alcoholic drinks and this is where we're seeing the changes <&>13:32