<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>3:45 mary hello hello there hi you ask who i would vote for next election mm well it's not so much parties now is it it's really people that you're voting for but the thing is that <.>th the difficulty is that er we <&>4:00 don't know who's going to be there who's going to be rolled over do we <,,> well you pick up on anne's point when she's reasonably happy hearing voc jim anderton voc represent the alliance and i'm saying no i'd like to hear more from the other people i think it's <{><[>constructive <[>well jim anderton i was in the labour party when jim anderton arrived there and i sat behind him the day we defeated him er for presidency mm and jim anderton is only concerned with jim anderton and only ever has been and ever will be and do you think that's why more alliance people aren't allowed to open their mouths that's right because <.>i <.>i <.>i <.>i if they take <.>the the limelight we might be saying well i'd like joe bloggs for for leader inhales and he would lose his public image he's a very astute <.>po politician voc don't you feel though that and it seems very likely the way things are going the <&>5:00 alliance are going to have if not the majority of political power they're certainly going to be a significant political force now what concerns me is that we don't hear from their spokespeople at all we hear from doctor keith riding who's their <.>spokes one of their <{1><[1>spokespersons on health who i've said publicly i think one of the finest um political aspirants i've ever ever spoken to or interviewed i think he's a a very very talented and committed doctor tut and i respect him and admire him tremendously but i i couldn't tell you what the other people were oh there was that len richards who then had to resign because he spoke such utter garbage spokesperson on housing wasn't he <{2><[2>he <[1>yes <[2>yes but if you take you take the alliance people that are in public office at the present time they haven't done much have they no but they're going to have to learn quick smart if if people in new zealand are going to vote alliance on the strength of jim anderton alone it's jim anderton can't be everywhere at <&>6:00 once he's the the people who VOTE for the alliance are gonna be served by people in their local area precisely yeah and they're going to be given um spokesmanship and portfolios depending upon the vote <{><[>and <.>the <[>and we don't one man bands <{><[><.>do <[>no but that's why i think it's really important to try to understand who the other people are and where their heads are and what their ideas are like <{><[>don't you agree <[>well it's a bag of liquorice allsorts isn't it well i just wish we heard a bit more from them well you won't <{><[>laughs <[>you don't think no you're not gonna vote alliance are you no no thanks word over your dead body huh laughs okay mary bye bye three oh nine three oh double nine is our phone number and we've got the bulletin then back with more calls <&>6:36 <&>four minutes nineteen seconds of news and weather broadcasts and commercials not transcribed <&>10:55 afternoon new zealand here's dave joining in from huntly dave hello <&>11:00 yeah <.>go gidday jenny <{><[>first time caller <[>gidday great um look i'm just ringing up and er just wanted to have a little bit of a chat about all this er police thing that's been going on there seems to be a lot of er discussion about it mm who's right and who's wrong and noone sort of <.>kn really knows what's going on but um i was involved with er the new south wales police for a few years um i'd left the air force and i was at loss to what to do with myself <&>pronounced meself so i went to australia on a working holiday i ended up joining the new south wales police force <{><[>and er <[>you're a kiwi guy are you pardon? you kiwi? yep yep yeah and i was in the new south wales police force for six years and then i left new south wales police force and transferred into the queensland police force at the stock squad which was um a country and western <{><[>type er police force we <.>ro er drove round and cut down landrovers and everything looking for cattle duffers <[>laughs were you there under sir joh pardon? <{><[>yep yeah that's right yeah sir joh yeah dannevirke boy <[>were you there under sir joh were you yeah <{><[>but er anyway um i just wanted to offer my opinions um over <.>in in australia where the police are armed they and they show them that you know the guns are holstered on their hips when they're doing point duty and things like that <[>yeah <&>12:00 mm um they're not concealed public can see them and you are confident you know that er that cop is armed you know if anything happens you know you're reasonably safe well i lived in queensland for a while and i was fairly confident seeing these but i tell you they are massive cops are you over six foot me no no no <{><[>no <[>they all seem to be yeah oh yes <{><[>word <[>reaching to the <{><[>sky <[>in new south wales i think i might have been one of the shortest ones there cos you know it's our uniform consisted of er motorbike trousers jackboots um and your blue shirts <.>and and it did they did look um very authoritarian i suppose is is that the word yeah they looked like they meant business but at the same time you know er um me being a kiwi um and experiencing a lot of life <{><[>before i actually joined <[>mm mm the police force my attitude may have been <&>13:00 different um which <.>f <.>would could possibly be a lot of trouble too with the recruits that er go into the police force they go in about nineteen over here don't they yes and er they've had no experience of <{><[>life yet <[>hey that uniform did it affect your head um no because i'd been in the airforce er for seven years eight years before but for a nineteen or a twenty year old to be wearing jackboots and um motorcycle trousers and a blue shirt with a oh <{><[>yeah the sunglasses word yes a bit of the <[>a weapon strapped in it wrap around <{><[>mirrors <[>looked something like chips or something like that <{1><[1>yeah but um tut er you see the young fellas that go in the police force i reckon it's wrong that they have to be put straight up into er into this sort of business straight away um they need to go to the quiet places <.>fir er to to to get learn public relations learn how to talk to different types of people and and how to you know get a life first maybe you know go out and do a an honest forty forty hour week job or something learn how to relate to people <{2><[2>and then maybe <[1>mm <[2><.>an and how to and maybe how <.>to <.>d to <{><[>diffuse a potential <[>yeah maybe yeah yeah um maybe like go in at <&>14:00 nineteen and do your training but sent out to go and get a real job and a real life for a year or so and then come back or something maybe i don't know but er um i think nineteen is too young and you put them into a fast falcon car or a holden car um and they've got no experience at driving er on car chases and things like this and then give them a gun a nineteen twenty twenty one i don't care what age if <.>he's you know if you got to point a gun <.>and er at someone to to stop them from doing something or breaking the law i'm damn sure that you the gun holder is probably more nervous than the er the person who's doing the crime because they're probably hyped up on drugs or anything and they don't really care and er it's a survival to them you know what was the situation in queensland with er voc recruits straight out of police college were they ever <{><[>allowed off on their own <[>oh i think yeah but some you don't <.>y <.>y you didn't even have to go to police college sometimes really no well they had recruiting officers in the country towns they had you know police constables wanted now and you could go in <&>15:00 and sign your papers this is back i would say the midseventies tut <.>but but tell me were they allowed off on their own <{><[>or or did they always have another <.>experienced <[>no no no no they were a rooky for a couple of years yeah yeah always had a partner yeah yeah <{><[>yeah <[>i can't understand why they don't here in new zealand <{><[>it's so <.>b so dangerous isn't it <[>um yeah well you've got to <.>remember yeah well i i <.>f i <.>f think the police here in new zealand um tut at the way things are now at the moment um is is okay but um i don't like the idea of of police whether uniformed or not riding around in cars with concealed weapons to me they're breaking the law mm i mean if <.>you if you and i as civilians carried a pistol or a rifle in a car and it was loaded or could be loaded or walking down the street with a pistol in our pockets straight away we'd be had up for having a concealed weapon that's right so you think it's safer to have them revealed <{1><[1>like they do in australia listen you know when you said you were in new south wales for six years <{2><[2>did you have any did you see or hear of any evidence of the corruption amongst the police force when <&>16:00 you were there <[1>i would say yeah yeah yeah <[2>mm oh yeah oh heck yeah i'd probably i'd i'd say probably australia is probably one of the most corrupt westernised modern police force in the world can you give us an idea of how it works OH well <{><[>i mean <[>give us an example you've got um you've got very high up ex police officers still doing time for um being involved in marijuana cultivation round griffith and new south wales um admittedly a lot of them are um um what mediterranean descendant um but er um laughs prostitution rings running prostitution rings that's er <.>what <.>the these <.>so that's life in the big city i mean that's part of life okay you came from the new zealand airforce <{><[>into this <[>mm mhm did you just did you learn quickly just to keep your mouth shut and <{><[>your eyes open <[>um well i was lucky i was i when i'd finished my basic training um i was sent up to the border up to um up to tenterfield way er in warwick you know <&>17:00 it's the south of queensland <{><[>and i was in a a relatively er country area er probably town's about the size of oh rotorua tauranga and things like that <[>mm yep and there was no gangs no crime in in the sense that we got them over here because they wouldn't stand for an aborigine putting a patch on over there is that right oh no why what <{><[>would happen <[>aborigines are kept well below er er street level you know what i mean mm um <,> there was no such things as gangs you'd get the odd motorcycle club but they were er you know i mean i had two brother police officers who are in a motorcycle club too but only because they were fanatics about the bikes not fanatic about the er about the er gang did you yourself ever see any evidence of voc corruption in the police did you <.>a actually see anything oh no no nothing <.>y you know the no because see i like i said i was in a country city er country town um and <&>18:00 <.>it <.>i it was more of looking the other way <.>y you know mm um tut or ignoring things or <.>j just using your own gut feeling <{><[>you know <[>and what about in queensland could you bribe your way out of a prostitution ring there voc slipping money to the cops like we've heard sorry repeat that could you bribe your way out of a prostitution er business by by voc paying money to the cops <,,> um like if i was a pimp or <{><[>something you're saying <[>yeah mm um oh yeah yeah of course it could be done yeah yeah i mean that sort of i mean there's er there's these i mean if you watch some of these documentaries that are going on um now and again about the australian police and the <.>h you know and even some of these er new zealand comedy programmes and australian comedy programmes always have a dig at the victorian police <{><[>now and again you know because they seem to be all a bit trigger happy um but er no there is there is oh there's corruption at all levels i mean it's there probably is here too in new zealand too but <[>true are you <{><[>back home on holiday or <[><.>bu no no no i live here all the time now no i finished i'm you know <{><[>i've been at it a long time ago <&>19:00 <[>you retired? have you mm welcome home oh i've been home for about oh exhales about eight years i suppose now yeah you glad you're out of the force mm yes yeah um in one way um it was a good experience it was a good experience what do you do now me? i farm do you yep yep it's not over yet either <{1><[1>laughs it's not over yet <{2><[2>either okay dave <{3><[3>laughs hey good call see you later <{4><[4>bye what an interesting life hell he's not just STUCK in one boring old RUT of a job is he he's lived <&>19:32 <[1>eh? <[2>laughs <[3>okay then yes you're welcome <[4>okay bye bye