<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>6:00 right and it's er jacob how are you this morning jacob i'm very well thank you ewing <{><[>you sound in top form <[>good well i i should be on monday i'm not so good usually on friday <{><[>but monday monday's the start of the week you know <[>laughs you do a t g i s do you yeah that's right good man voc um laughs ewing laughs um tut i want to talk about the er much maligned jim bolger i agree with him on this inhales er social welfare or whatever they call it these days thing yeah um <,> voc <.>i i tut this is more to your um line of endeavour than mine mm um but i swear <&>pronounced as wear <.>there there must be a hell lot of people there who are going out with their hands out er getting food parcels and i really think to those people <&>7:00 who aren't earning money um the social welfare benefit should be adequate if they don't waste their money and you've only got to go to i i i i did a bit of a tour of the pubs this last week inhales and er you know just to you had a pub crawl did you oh no i didn't drink much no just went round observing yeah and the pubs are ABsolutely full of raggedy bags um voc with money in <.>i <.>y <.>you you go in on thursday mhm or friday and saturday and they're all there and go to the t a b they're all there and yet they can't afford food to feed their children they may not be the ones that are going to the food bank oh well we don't know that ewing <{><[>but all i'm saying is there's a hell of a lot of raggedy bags in there um who are obviously on the on benefits <[>no mhm and spending their money in pubs most of them <&>8:00 are running broken down old heaps of cars which they tut er can't afford to run laughs you know it's it's just ludicrous that they just tut don't know how to handle the money that they get and the <.>q question arises how much money do we taxpayers have to put into our pockets to keep them afloat when they're just wasting it tut well what of <{><[>course what <[>but i'm not saying all no no no er but <{><[><.>ew look ewing i've heard a lot of people ringing up your station <[>what they do what they do word what they do in your <,> yeah mm who are on benefits and saying we can manage quite well <{><[>because we budget our money <[>yeah mm what they do in norway and sweden of course is pay a decent dole and there're no food parcels <{><[>laughs they don't have <.>to <[>but have we got <.>a an indecent dole er of course we have i think i think the dole has never been increased with all the inflation rate and so on i think it should be increased with inflation rate just like the er superannuation <&>9:00 yep <{1><[1>to to to what to what extent does it need to be increased <{2><[2>because a lot of these people the more <{3><[3>money you give to them the more they'll waste <[1>i think it's injust <.>that <[2>well word <[3>word voc waste er maybe that keeps voc er it keeps book shops and other things like that going <{><[>actually <[>well now don't be <{><[>nasty <[>laughs no well <.>i <.>i <{><[><.>i <.>g <[>don't be nasty <{><[>ewing <[>no no but you you know what i what i know that in ninety ninety one when ruth er auntie ruth cut that budget right back were most people spending a lot of money on books were they no no but they <{1><[1>were <.>sp voc voc voc do you know no do <{2><[2>you know <[1>now look don't be personal ewing <[2>it doesn't become you no no no no <.>let let me say that in manukau city at that time which depended very largely on it many many business almost went out of business when auntie ruth cut pensions and benefits and superannuation yeah but the trouble <{><[>word <[>I know i know some <.>superannuit <.>superannuit <.>annuitants who actually spend money on books <{><[>do you think they shouldn't <[>i've never seen a pub going out of business yet no i don't think you <{><[>ever will <[>or a t a b <&>10:00 and i haven't seen any book shops er either <.>if <.>in in fact go out of business or er food shops and so on but when we cut back on that money we took it out of the circulation and money is made round to go round and if you take money out of circulation then that's when businesses really suffer don't you think <&>noise of telephone hanging up it's quarter past twelve tut and it's norma hello norma <&>10:21 hello ewing how are you good thanks <.>i i spoke to you the other night about this um tut grey power meeting yes <{><[>indeed <[>i went there and i said i'd ring you back good how did it <{><[>go <[><.>it oh it was a full hall good very very good and they had a <.>lad i do not know what the lady's name but she's a south auckland person very good speaker yes and they also had another lady there that her er object was for health of the community and um people throughout new zealand yeah um tut she said that there was a hundred and <&>11:00 sixteen i think it was people in porirua mental hospital it's been cut down to forty five yeah and there was a hundred and sixteen extended beds which've been cut down to eighteen yeah goodness that's a big cut isn't it yes and she also said that er telecom promised two years ago to put fifty five million back into the er care of the elderly and the hard up people well they haven't put a penny forward as yet is that right now who made that statement er the the <.>presi er the um tut lady that's in charge of health with the grey power for south auckland is that right yeah i took these notes down while they were <{><[>talking <[>yeah yeah so in other words she doesn't believe that the money's been put in there that's what she said it hasn't been put in yeah um <.>they're they're also gonna have another meeting at eleven oclock on the twenty fifth of october yeah at the auckland town hall and doctor levy from middlemore hospital yeah <&>12:00 and a mister clive patterson are going to speak yeah <.>and and what they speak on health? i <.>kn i don't know except that they going to address the public eleven a m on the august the <.>ele october the twenty fifth and that's going to be held where <{><[>norma <[>auckland town hall the auckland town hall yes <{><[>and <[>oh well that's good to hear grey power <.>a active again yes there's seventy three thousand members they've got yes and um they said that there is a rating relief for people that can't afford their rates but it's taken off their um tut assets when they die is that right is that which er she didn't say which <{><[>council <[>which council it was yeah maybe auckland it could <{><[>be <[>voc voc er well she wouldn't be with auckland i don't think perhaps cos she's south auckland <{1><[1>oh no she could be <{2><[2>saying in general <[1>mm <[2>well there's <.>rate yeah there is rating relief er for people but i don't think it's taken off when they die or anything well <.>it it's a form of asset testing she said <.>y yes it will be asset <{><[>tested yeah <[>yeah and also she mentioned about the a c c er er <&>13:00 levy relief for the elderly yes i don't know what that exactly means it might be the driver's licence or what i don't know mm oh well somebody may be able to help us with that norma yeah <{><[>um <[>but well thanks for that report <{><[>that's <[>there's another couple of things yes very <{><[>quickly <[>she said about petition to the human rights for the way people are being treated overseas mm and also they mentioned that the radio stations don't want to know them unless they pay a hundred dollars a minute <,> <{><[>for advertising their meetings <[>well well radio pacific does well she said that there's been embargo put on them is that right yeah i don't know whether this is correct or not <{><[>this is just <[>not in <.>fo for <.>th grey power meetings? yes grey power meetings can advertise from radio pacific any time they like for nothing on the community bulletin board i see <{><[>well <[>so we we keep right open and you can ring up any time too yeah <{><[>but it's just the statements that was made there at the meeting <[>well you should've corrected her and said <{><[>radio <.>pacif <[>well i didn't know you see well you can next time <&>14:00 yes i will and ours <{><[>is <[>i'll be in touch with her any rate you tell her ours <{1><[1>is still <.>fr still free she just writes it in and we'll put it on the <.>communi <{2><[2>community bulletin board <[1>about this <[2>yes i can't remember what else was said no well look i think you did well norma thanks for that report and the next meeting on the <.>twen about a half an hour and that was the twenty fifth is it um just a minute twenty fifth eleven a m <{><[>october <.>doc <[>mm right that's fine good and it's er eighteen minutes past twelve oclock <&>14:30 <&>one minute forty two seconds of HE's monologue and commercials not transcribed <&>16:12 and it's er twenty past twelve i'm ewing stevens and your opinions please three oh nine three oh double nine and if you're calling from outside the auckland area remember to put that oh nine in front and down to wellington now it's margaret hello margaret <.>ew i've been making a sort of you know little bit of observations in the lower income bracket yes and i find that there's a bonding there yeah and you know those old wrecks of cars their parts do come from wrecks of cars but they get together and help each other and keep the heaps on the road mm that's <{><[>right yeah <[>and they've got to sort of um you know count their pennies to where they use it yeah and as far as the pub is concerned i mean these <&>17:00 boys scrounge around in the bottom of the heap and you know work here and there at menial tasks and get a few extra bob well often below the accepted you know <{><[>wage level <[>mm that's right and if you go into that pub and you see the boys enjoying the conviviality and also sort of getting that sort of illusion of having a little bit of <.>pres pride and prestige they've got a jug between them yeah and they're sharing it and they're making it last yeah <{><[>that's right <[>and i don't know where that heap of muck came from or how he sort of makes his observation now watch it margaret <{><[>laughs <[>laughs yeah that's right YES hey yeah well er i i you know there's er we can make judgements and course many of the people who are there and in the old bombs er many of the people i know in old bombs actually go to work in the old bombs and they <{><[>can't go to work otherwise cos the bus service is so poor <[>voc i mean i mean <{><[>new <.>car <,> is <[>and they got to work <.>s <.>s maybe at six oclock in the morning i mean new car what's it's in the twenty two thousand bracket yeah that's right <&>18:00 and most people can't sort of afford anything below <.>f mm five hundred and then a lot of them only pick them up for a hundred and <{1><[1>two hundred and sort of with ingenuity <{2><[2>and the help of their friends as i say the bonding i mean they even with vegetables they get a DEcent <{3><[3>meal on their table <[1>mm <[2>mm <[3>mm yeah and <{><[>they're er <[>i mean they get a a a a job lot you know from um some green growers <{><[>and things like that and share it among them <[>yeah yeah well out of out of the maybe a hundred and sixty thousand who are unemployed er if a hundred and sixty thousand turned up to food banks they wouldn't be able to cope yes there's only a a small number amongst that a hundred and sixty thousand unemployed who actually go to food banks the <.>me the rest <&>18:00 as you say with the help of their friends manage to survive but i mean why <.>begru <.>gru <{><[>begrudge <&>pronounced regrudge a human being a little bit of pride just because he's on unemployment <[>mm good question margaret thank you for your call <&>18:53