<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side two <&>8:09 those who do their home work <,> often the public never hear much about them <,> my appeal to maori who are politically motivated is to always do thorough research present it LUcidly <,,> be balanced <,> and enjoy the components of both cultures <,> having being reared as a maori imMERSED a total immersion <,> in my childhood then enjoy having enjoyed a good education in a western sense i come to the conclusion that it is balance that is critical in advocacy and it will be balance of the <.>m advocates of the minority which will WIN over the majority support <,> there is absolutely no confusion in being both maori and pakeha and being competent in both none whatsoever one can be both but <&>9:00 need to be balanced <,> be both and be balanced i say <,> but don't ignore one at the expense of the other i want now to come to <&>drawl the most recent example of something i've <.>f found most exciting and that was the waka taua and the waka humarie will one of them was <,> that we have witnessed in this country observing them i've found it an awesome experience <,> it reached me in that part of me that is very much <,> a maori based from childhood i want therefore as one who er seeks to <,> find accurate research and trace and trace the ACtual origins of something to acknowledge my colleague the member for northern maori <,> i <&>10:00 pay him the tribute of being the instigator of the waka concept during this nineteen ninety year <,,> i found er my observations er profound for instance at marlborough to be a participant there with the privilege of taking the helm of a waka with maori women to learn that the <.>u the unity <,> that that waka brought about in that community <,> was SUCH that it was <.>u unique it has never happened before maori and pakeha young and old from twelve to sixty six and older participated now THAT is something that WE HAVE in this country and we have it has eluded us <,> but <.>w <&>11:00 as the member for marlborough has said it was there and another waka from my territory um tamatea arikinui from porangahau from hawkes bay it brought members of different gangs together <,> in a disciplined way in which they had to respect each other were disciplined <,,> the discipline that is so necessary in i believe <&>drawl a life where you conTRIbute as well as receive for unless we contribute to be <.>co TAKing all the time in life makes for a very bare existence and one that in <.>o in the end disintegrates and destroys itself it is to the selfresourcing of people and citizens that er all governments should direct policy SELF reliance to train people to know nothing other <&>12:00 than being dependent and to expecting handouts is not is not a worthy thing to do so therefore for those who contributed in many hours to the success of the waka projects AND of the aotea maori cultural festival AND of all these other celebrations and of the success of the commonwealth games i pay my tribute to the many who contributed voluntarily to these things whom we may never know although in <.>t peter sharples doctor peter sharples my hawkes bay kinsman i must pay a particular tribute er as i do <&>drawl to women like martha moon and hilda busby who on waitangi were so important perhaps they want not to be publicly recognised to the degree of others but they were there pulling <&>13:00 their weight and contributing to these successful hui so we have started this year on an exciting note for unanimity has been characteristic in these areas to which i have alluded er and also another thing commitment commitment of one partner to the other commitment of a government to its citizens commitment of the old to the young commitment of maori to pakeha comMITment to succeed we can always find the sources of division they are easy they hit the headlines but the commitment to projects is something that is all too rarely observed and respected so i say of the exciting things we have seen may their spirit continue to inSPIRE us to find to search and grasp those things that are good for everyone rather that <&>14:00 than the divisiveness <.>an the divisiveness and discord that characterises too much of the debate on race relations even the recent american anthropologist's observation in his new analysis of maoritanga in new zealand where he argues that the movement has been invented in order to enhance the power of maori let us receive that i haven't seen the study i have er sought it and look at that and perhaps we might acknowledge that certainly the first text on maori legends is that that has been given out to students in maori studies has been that of governor grey's nga mahi a nga tupuna written in maori by him the legends let us acknowledge that we are an alive culture changes is creative and improves one hopes mister <{><[>speaker i <[>the honorable mister cooper i welcome the opportunity to follow the member <&>15:00 for southern maori in the address and reply debate <,> she's an experienced politician who gives a lot of thought to what she's saying there is no need for me to do any rebuttal frankly i have sympathy with the approach that she is taking it's also of course a time to <,> talk about the events of the last few months the accolade paid to the speaker <,> our latest knight in this house <,> i thoroughly endorse that he's been doing an excellent job and let's hope that continues for no more than seven and a half months <,> the queen of course and the duke of edinborough travelled once again to queenstown and that was a visit that the people of the wakatipu the people of wanaka and the people of the west coast with the duke being at wanaka and the west coast enjoyed immensely others in the north island had the benefit of <&>16:00 the visit from prince edward <,> we are really a saturday sunday country when we feel happy and anyone that looked at the events <,> since christmas <,> would know <,> quite quickly and the member for northern maori says we should be happy every day and it's not really <,> too easy to be happy every day and i want to develop that theme right now because we are a saturday sunday happy country a monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday unhappy country indeed we <.>i <.>i <.>i involve ourselves in a certain amount of eSCApism i think because of the difficulty the new zealand is in internationally and therefore many of us <,> when we start on mondays start to think it's going to be pretty rough and we look forward to a saturday and a sunday to escape we've had a certain amount <&>pronounced as ament amount of <.>s escapism for a period of time with the commonwealth games with the sesquicentennial <,> with the events surrounding <&>17:00 the royal visit but it's back to reality because apart form a few visits by people that have <.>by been invited by the government to give <,> some status <,> to the prime minister it's back to the reality of an election time but we conduct today's today's debate the address and reply on a very changed world to twelve months ago <,> we are <.>i indeed as a country very isolated in a period of momentous change <,> when you can get <,> two hundred and fifty thousand people <,> in red square demanding that the present administration which are moving away from communism to socialism do something else but move towards socialism in other words free up the economy when you witness the grand failure of communism and the terminal crisis of <&>18:00 that political philosophy established seventy years ago a philosophy that was spread by gun power through eastern europe into poland czechoslovakia hungary yugoslavia romania and bulgaria during the second world war there was really as a result of that a carve up of the world map and if you look at the soviet republics latvia estonia and lithuania where there's really an extraordinary evolution taking place right now and ran your mind back over the period of the cold war the berlin war <,> the berlin wall the korea sputnik vietnam and afghanistan we suddenly find that something that we would not have expected to have taken place for DEcades is actually happening and we from a long way are going to participate in <&>19:00 that we suddenly find that communism is becoming very irrelevant to the human condition indeed it's now clear that if you deprive people of heat and light and food you get to the stage <.>whi a deep agony as a failed dogma unravels is going to be part and parcel of the changes that take place in eastern europe there's a possibility of course that it may be unravelling too quickly it's in terminal crisis there's been a progressive delay there is a certain failed dogma and it's clear that we may find in the future that because there is no consistent and successful model on which to go back to communism that what we've seen is an intellectual aberration which lasted seventy <&>20:00 years long now how does new zealand conduct itself as a result of the situation that's taking place internationally <,> we're going to be required to review our status internationally in trade and in foreign affairs we're going to see a review of Connicon we're going to see different implications for gatt <.>we <.>th certain certainly be a review of nato and certainly a review of the warsaw pact <,> now we can't escape this so as we look forward in new zealand to the nineteen nineties we've got to work out what shape we're in <,> and i don't think we're in very good shape i don't think the member for saint kilda the minister of social welfare thinks we're in very good shape certainly the reTIRing minister and retiring m p the member for dunedin north doesn't think we're in very good shape and i think that's why he's getting out the fledgling minister of er <&>21:00 technology and science he knows that we're not in good shape and if those three members of parliament don't know that we're not in good shape i want them therefore to look at today's today's otago daily times today's otago daily times actually i think i'm in better shape than the member for east cape <,,> in better shape and <.>an and maybe her shape will change but i'm happy with my shape and i'm not happy with the shape of new zealand society right now this is the people that were convicted yesterday in the dunedin court and this is specifically for the member for saint kilda the minister of social welfare every single one apart from one individual who's a factory hand is either unemployed or a social welfare beneficiary this <&>22:00 is an absolute litany of failure as far as the member for saint kilda is concerned you see what it clearly shows is and i mark this right indelibly i hope in the mind of the member for saint kilda just as the communists have turned the whole world upside down for seventy years attempting to give us a doctrinaire totalitarian society that wouldn't work and that has failed is absolutely doomed this nation will be doomed unless we turn it to production and away from welfarism now the minister is really presiding right now over the failure of new zealand he is actually endorsing the failure of new zealand there is concrete evidence everywhere we go that the balance has moved away from production and it's moved away to expectation it's moved away to the point <&>23:00 where we no longer will be able to deliver <&>pronounced as to liver to deliver to the people of new zealand what is necessary if members of government don't <.>do know that then i am really frightened about the future of new zealand you see if we look at the rest of the world and then we asked <.>oursel ask ourselves the different between the parties for the first part of this year all we've been doing is escaping by talking about waitangi all the time by getting into sesqui <&>pronounced as shesqui all the time by wanting to win ball games rugby league and cricket everywhere we're strapped for cash and the minister of the environment and all good luck to him if he can he starts to think that the only thing that's necessary in new zealand in nineteen ninety is to set our mind against driftnet fishing when there are a hundred and sixty thousand people out there unemployed that haven't got a bolter's show of getting a job you see the rot has set in new zealand and the rot is being <&>24:00 get got rid of in the european countries we simply have to look at our unemployment our growth where is it we look at our balance of payments and that's deteriorating we look at our record tax take in real terms we witness record expenditure and it's all going in welfare forty one percent of the budget taken by the government going to pay people to do nothing virtually we can't survive it is a fact in life that if you do things for people that they will normally do for themselves you will probably destroy them you see the fact is that there's no humanitarian virtue and i say this to the minister of social welfare in doing things for people that they'll do for themselves <.>i in dunedin it'll be the same in every court but it's endemic in dunedin and otago society today these people <,> who appear not to be able to work appear to be able to be <&>25:00 very agile and get into criminal activities all the time you see social crime is escalating you look at this society we've got now and no wonder the leader of the national party the member for king country talks about the need for a decent society look at our infant mortality rates <,,> they are disgusting compared with the countries that years ago we were well ahead of look at our educational achievements the budget the money has come down from i think sixteen percent of the taxes we took to now thirteen percent and we're not getting the achievement into society that we need to compete with the countries in the pacific that we have to compete with we are not internationally competitive if you look at the suicide rate <,> those aged fifteen to nineteen point of order mister speaker point of order yes mister mcclay er mister speaker can i er direct your attention to the fact that the member for east <&>26:00 cape is directing a stream of inane interjections from quite close to the member for otago he's battling well with them and i believe that the continuous stream of such interjections is neither reasonable nor rare point of order mister speaker i don't think all right i'll hear this mister speaker i've been listening to the interjections which have been coming sir <.>f not only from the member for east cape but a number of other members as well sir the member the member for otago is an experienced debater he is a very <.>in capable debater and he knows sir that when he deliberately is controversial in the house it invites interjections sir he expects it and he is getting it sir and i must say i think he's coping quite well order i <.>know <{><[><.>i order i just er for a moment i've er i've called order across the house before when i heard certain interjections coming from the back of the house and certainly references to the speaker addressed in the second person which is not allowed er i thank <&>27:00 the member for er raising this point i thought the member on his feet was coping and i didn't want to interrupt him but i must say that i think that some of the interjections coming across from the other side of the house are quite unnecessary they're really not proper interjections in debate and i ask members just to er take er er control in that situation mister cooper <[>speaker mister speaker how can the labour government set their mind against the suicide rate <,> people between the age of fifteen and nineteen has trebled <,> trebled since nineteen seventy four i mean there must be some concern there you can't hide that by waitangi celebrations sesquis and royal visits what about the divorce rate up forty four percent in ten years is that part of the way we're going is that a manifestation of good government i think it's a <&>28:00 manifestation of lousy government and yet there's twenty well i hope the member for east cape cackles before she lays the egg it's very important we've got to have these things right look there are twenty nations right now in the world where people live longer than new zealand a decade ago there were <,> four so where are we going with the labour government our expenditure's up our taxes are up our unemployment's up our interest rates are going up and it's time now to say that rogernomics has failed to deliver you see it's impossible to underwrite a welfare state <,> without a productive base the member for saint kilda knows that he knows that there's no more production coming out of his whole electorate i heard the <,> new minister the fledgling minister for regional development talking tonight he said that i was parading around the country upsetting regional councils promising to get <&>29:00 rid of them they must be whingeing they're writing to him you see these people in these regional councils and i may say many mayors many councillors in new zealand are up to their necks like pigs in a trough swilling in the extravagance of the honorariums and payments they're taking and many people are up against it throughout new zealand you see what we're going to see with out doubt is a ratepayers revolt <,> we're going to see it <.>m in my branch meetings the thing that gets the biggest reaction is when i say that the national government when elected at the next election will put before the public of new zealand an opportunity to say yes or no to regional government and i will PERsonally pursue that PERsonally pursue it and it will be overwhelmingly rejected overwhelmingly rejected in otago in southland if they want it in auckland that'll be their business it'll be <&>30:00 permissive not mandatory i hear from the member for wairarapa they'll drop it too <,> and so they should because local government <,> and this is all part of this government's insidious campaign to get more money for welfare people to pay them to do nothing they're going to levy ratepayers <,> wellington again duck shoving the responsibility on to regions and the minister of regional development says that's regional development you know the regional development in my area right now the farmhouses that used to be the married couples' are filling up with the people coming from the cities to escape having to work <,> to escape having to work i'm not proud of that i don't actually want their vote if they think that they can go through for the rest of their lives waiting for national superannuation avoiding responsibility then i don't really want their vote i want to tell them straight out they're destroying themselves you see the biggest problem in new zealand right now and i say this to the minister of <&>31:00 social welfare if you add to the number of people if you get a HUGE increase in the number of people the people most at risk are the people that need the most help if you clearly move from say sixty thousand domestic purposes beneficiaries to eighty seven thousand twenty seven thousand start to certainly affect the sixty thousand who definitely need it it's time we put not a stop it's time we put a quality control on it time we got some jobs and some growth into development there was nothing in the speech from the throne all we heard from the speech from the throne and it was repeated three occasions was it's time for some social justice look social justice means that people who because of human frailty can't work can't provide themselves get something from the taxpayer <&>32:00