<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>12:35 well if we can start er in er in quarter of a hours time maybe we can start to address some of those issues in a more robust way number four doctor bill sutton my question is to the minister of commerce has he received any reports on the levels of cost faced by manufacturers in new zealand as compared with those in the economies of our major trading partners <&>13:00 the honourable clive matthewson mister speaker on behalf of the minister of commerce i reply yes i have recently received two reports on the levels of cost faced by new zealand manufacturers relative to those of our trading partners both relate to research conducted by the new zealand <.>in institute of economic research and show that because of the relative efficiencies incurred particularly in real value added per person employed new zealand has and will continue to exhibit increased manufacturing competitiveness supplementary question doctor bill sutton in addition to the reduced costs of production referred to by the minister have there been any other cost reductions the honourable clive matthewson mister speaker there there certainly have there's been well transport would be one for a start er transport has reduced in real terms to about <&>14:00 half what it was five years ago and the member will know as i do that if you don't live in auckland that's really important for the competitiveness of the manufacturers in your area that's one transport <,> energy costs would be another they've gone down in real terms our tariff policy our tariff policy means that many input costs for manufacturers have gone down so we've not only seen cost reductions of the sort i mentioned but productivity gains of the sort i mentioned in my original answer <{1><[1>and that all leads to a better future for new zealand <{2><[2>no question about that <[1>order <[2>order philip burdon what effect will the review of part two of the tariff <.>sch schedule have on the levels of costs facing manufacturing acknowledging that it has been estimated that they will increase by some three hundred and seventy million dollars the honourable clive matthewson <.>i <.>i <.>i mister speaker i couldn't hear it was part two of what it was that the member that the member <&>15:00 asked <,> sorry word part two of the tariff schedule <,> which is being currently reviewed a which it is anticipated will increase the cost of componentry for manufacturers by some three hundred and seventy million dollars the honourable clive <{><[>matthewson <[>mister speaker it seems er er it seems to me that the member must be arguing that tariffs should be increased <,,> this <{><[>this <.>s well <.>that <.>that <[>word <{1><[1>word <{2><[2>word word concession <[1>if if you are word <[2>order order mister speaker i wonder if i could ask a <{><[>question <[>order coughs order <,> order <,> well let's just have an answer rather than er could we have the answer rather the can i help the <{><[>member speaking <[>order no no no the member the member can't er mister speaker <{><[>he can't <[>order order <.>th i think what we <.>sh what we need is an answer rather than an assumption of what the opposition might be might be saying <{><[>the honourable clive matthewson <[>well <.>i it's quite simple mister speaker you <&>16:00 can't DEcrease costs to anyone by increasing tariffs number five the honourable warren cooper thank you mister speaker to the minister of state owned enterprises <,> in light of the statement on the third of april nineteen eighty nine on the clyde dam project by mister m j williams manager of work project services that <,> achieving lake fill in august will require a concentrated and determined effort by many parties <,> and appears to practicable on <,> the basis of the investigations conclusions and remedial measures carried out <,> this far the possibility of intensified studies over the next few months identifying conditions which could <.>pre prejudice lake fill does not appear to be great <,> does the minister intend to institute a PUBlic inquiry <,> into the quality of advice given by works project services the <&>17:00 honourable richard prebble no supplementary <{><[>question <[>the honourable warren cooper can the minister give the specific REAson <,> why he reFUses to promote an independent public inquiry <,> and instead promotes a ministerial inquiry with three labour government members one of whom was a career officer <,> of the former ministry of works and development another a lame duck <{><[>m p about to retire and the third likely to be tipped out of office because of the instability of HIS seat <[>order <{><[>the honourable richard prebble <[>mister mister speaker order mister speaker <,> the evidence is quite clear that the responsibility for the clyde dam decision was a political one and therefore should be invested at that level and to try an <&>18:00 and to try <{><[>and pin it on some civil servants in the ministry of works is despicable <[>order harry dynhoven has the minister seen any <.>re reports which outline the well known inherently unstable geological structure surrounding the clyde <,> word the national administration take in regard to the huge risk involved in lake word the member minister <{><[>has the information the honourable richard prebble <[>oh <.>ye yes mister speaker um order mm? order i can't here you <,> oh <,> <{><[>the er <[>mister prebble mister speaker the the <,> i can incorporate the <{1><[1>interjection in into the reply by the member for <.>ma maramarua in fact it was known er at least six years ago and if he looks in the parliaments own hansards of nineteen eighty two i note that the er now minister of social <&>19:00 welfare in this in this house er informed the opposition that there was a considerable er instabilities and a major geological fault in the area and the result was that with the help of the <{2><[2>er <.>me with the help of the member for selwyn they passed the bill to build the dam deSPITE of the instability <[1>order <[2>order question six jenny kirk point of order mister speaker a point of order <,,><&>3 order <,,> order <,,> order <,> can't see any reason for <,> for all that noise the point of order <,> well he's er seeking <{1><[1>a point of order as he's perfectly <{2><[2>entitled to do members might want to laugh at the end of it or they might want to laugh at the end of <.>o points other people make but it seems a bit absurd to er to er to jeer on somebody who's just getting up to raise a point of order the honourable mister bill birch <[1>point of order <[2>word speaker you will have noticed that the minister was er referring to some er documents that he <&>20:00 has in his hand i'm sure he'd like to table them and i just would like to invite him to take this opportunity to table them well i think that one of the documents was hansard wasn't it well <.>mis <.>or <.>th <.>them mister <{><[>speaker <.>i <[>the honourable richard prebble yeah i was actually quoting from a photostat of the <.>ha of hansard the twenty ninth of september nineteen eighty two er for the clutha er development clyde dam empowering bill and the er the bit i was referring to is quote one <.>me one matter that was known beforehand to some extent has come into greater prominence over the last twenty four hours the soundness of the geological formation of the site <{1><[1><,> and er and the <{2><[2><.>pers and that's a <{3><[3>that's a quote from one of the labour members who er <.>th the <{4><[4><,> they the the now minister of social welfare <,> but i'm er quite happy to <{5><[5>er table that if the if the <.>me the member didn't <&>21:00 listen at the time <{6><[6>i guess he can read it now <[1>order <[2>order <[3>order <[4>well the coughs <[5>word <[6>order is there any objection to the <,> order <,> order we're taking er the <.>ti valuable time for members who will want to ask questions later on with this er with points of order like this is there any objections to the to the er document being tabled there appears to be none <,,><&>5 <.>t table anything er jenny kirk mister speaker my question is to the minister of health what is the <{><[>purpose of the new enrolled nurse course <[>order order <,> jenny kirk my question is to the minister of health mister speaker what is the purpose of the new enrolled nurse course at auckland technical institute's akoranga campus the honourable doctor michael cullen the enrolled nurses course at auckland institute of technology is a PIlot programme to train enROLLed nurses as well as compreHENsive nurses in a TERtiary setting as opposed to hospital based training this is being done with <&>22:00 the full support of the auckland area health board supplementary jenny kirk how many enrolled nurses will be trained each year as a a result of this course the honourable doctor michael cullen mister speaker the course will train one hundred enrolled nurses per year don mckinnon given the number of currently unemployed nurses in the community can the minister SAY that the number of these enrolled nurses are likely to get a job when they come out their training the honourable doctor michael <{><[>cullen <[>speaker given the high level of training that THESE enrolled nurses will receive i think the answer is very strongly that they will have a much better chance of obtaining employment number seven the <.>honourable a point of order winston peters er thank you one observes er speaker's rulings and standing orders one of the principal underlying elements of those rulings <,> is that er there be no behaviour in the parliament that brings parliament to disrepute <.>i into disrepute <,> or for that matter parliamentarians now sir if you look at if you look at question <&>23:00 six today frankly sir that question is so nonsensical and puerile <{><[>as to bring us all into disrepute and should be stopped <[>order order order order <,> order <,> order <,> order i'd've a lot of fun ruling questions out of order if <.>i er if i took a a narrow view of er of members' rights to ask questions order the member can debate that in about five minutes if he can go for a call number seven the honourable warren cooper thank you mister speaker to the minister of state owned er enterprises <,> on what basis did mister m j williams the manager of work project services state in his letter dated third of april nineteen eighty nine to the manager of the clyde power <&>pronounced as prower power project achieving lake fill in august will require a concentrated and a determined effort by many parties and appears to be practicable on the basis of the investigations <,> conclusions and remedial measures carried out this far the possibility <&>24:00 of intensified studies over the next few months identifying conditions which could prejudice lake fill does not appear to be great the honourable richard prebble oh well one er long question deserves a long answer mister speaker i am advised by the chairperson of works and the development services corporation works that mister williams made his assessment of the situation based on his background knowledge and reports of the day and advice of his staff the letter referred to by the honourable member in his question should be read in conjunction <,> with a <.>le with the letter to electricorp from works dated the thirty first of march nineteen eighty nine which said quote as mentioned in my w two six oh of the twenty ninth of march there are still some areas of uncertainty and insufficient knowledge the <&>25:00 report is based on information know at mid february nineteen eight nine and doesn't take into account the findings of the two consultants messrs stapleton and richards currently reviewing the geotechnical work undertaken by the n z g s and works these two <{><[>independent consultants are not expected to formally report their considerations and findings until april nineteen eighty nine as a result of their review the amount of work is very likely to increase <[>order <{><[>supplementary question <[>the honourable warren cooper was mister williams reporting in the knowledge that the labour policy for the nineteen eighty four election campaign was to build the high dam at clyde and use the existing construction forces and that policy has remained unchanged from when labour assumed office at the stage where the excavations were barely completed two <&>26:00 thousand days ago the honourable richard prebble mister speaker i don't know where the member's been but the decision to build the high dam was actually made er er by by his government with the question of whether or not there should be further dams built on the clyde was a decision which was inherited by this government and we looked at it in a proper management way and we concluded <,> using the same officials available to the honourable member that such a dam was not required this government didn't go ahead with a further dam and the last estimate that i have heard of the savings that have been made by the decisions made by THIS government on the clyde and other areas is that we have saved the taxpayers of new zealand aBOUT a BIllion dollars <&>26:52