<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>2:27 <.>i i mean the other thing <.>th <.>th that the club needs <.>to to consider in relation to that figure of three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars which er <.>i is horrendous um <.>i is that the alternative to many of the things that peter has suggested for the whakapapa lodge is to reduce the number of bunks in the whakapapa lodge and you can solve the overcrowding problems there by reducing to twenty er or to eighteen my experience at the last season um is that in a good season whakapapa is now really filling up most <&>3:00 weekends er and it's GROSSLY overused during the august holidays members are NOT willing to go to ohakune so that that option is not a terribly attractive one for the membership um <.>un unless people change their skiing habits and are prepared to go to ohakune which darren won't like <,,> oh ohakune is grossly underutilised er whakapapa if you look at anne's figures er use about HALF the available bunk space during the season ohakune <.>lose uses a THIRD of the available bunk space during the season you have occasions when ohakune is empty and whakapapa has more than twenty four people booked in <.>well cameron <.>i i just can't see any point <.>in in um not passing this er resolution um to develop the five year development programme i <.>would i <&>4:00 would say that um the <.>inf some information er that the committee might find useful is that er a certain section of the membership might find a capital cost of three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars over the six years er pretty hard to swallow <,,> and also that er if ohakune is er utilised for something like half the rate of whakapapa AND is up for large sums of er capital then the committee ought to consider selling it <,,><&>6 wayne <,,> well <.>i <.>i've <.>that that point was raised in the committee and i think that the er <,> the difficulty of that is of course the longterm future involvements of whakapapa can't be guaranteed er <.>and and the position of the club to sell the lodge at ohakune is that we might <&>5:00 incur the longterm be left with nothing and if <.>we it seems to us that we ought to keep um the lodge at ohakune er as a second lodge partly for that reason well we could do the work of the committee now perhaps we should put them out when the doc company reads this that would be word over the last two or three weeks that um one reason some of the clubs are opposing the ground rent agreements doc says that they are only guaranteeing tenure of a hundred years which is um word it's just unacceptable <,,><&>3 <.>so so your TERM <.>in in the longterm for wayne <.>is is reasonably long i'm happy with that laughter the thing <.>is um madam chairman <.>the i understand that there's er that there's far greater potential for expanding the structure <&>6:00 at ohakune than there is at whakapapa so i mean i think it's er <.>i <.>it's <.>it's it's a good idea <.>to to stay with the ohakune er structure er because a hell of sight easier to expand that er <.>than than to expand up at er whakapapa we actually had a good look at a larger site than ohakune sorry? <.>th the site constraints at ohakune are also quite limiting well i understand we've still got some ground out to <.>the well if you cop us at the car park out there <{><[>that <.>we <[>we've <.>got we're putting <.>a thinking of putting a wing out there a few years back yeah well we'd probably MOVE into the car parking area and we can move towards the driveway er is that right david yes i think so there is sufficient room for extension there it's not been explored thoroughly <{><[>given the current <.>use sorry <[>what's the point in filling the <.>carp er best extending it if we can't fill it up now yes <{><[>quite <[>well <.>that's that's <{><[><.>yeah <[>well that's it but we've got the potential <{><[>we've just <.>th <.>just just got the potential you see <[>word there are two points it seems word perhaps worth mentioning during the last season several <&>7:00 people mentioned to me in passing that they found staying at <.>oha at whakapapa exCEEDingly uncomfortable because of the bunk accommodation and would in fact stay there far more frequently if it was not so er overcrowded so we would actually get a HIGHER bunk use possibly if it was more congenial the other thing is if there is such ENORMOUS under usage of ohakune when ohakune word HOPS for accommodation during the august holidays and other periods would the lodge or would the members consider possibly letting it for say two weekends in the season and <.>let generate an income that we need to cover that <.>copi capital cost then we get taxed yeah well we've got a problem word but it's still <{><[>word <[>a number of the other lodges have run into that problem <.>l losing their charitable status they word guests <,> <.>that i mean that's PART of the reason behind our shift there it is a danger <&>8:00 right is it possible to find out what is <.>the what's the maximum letting you could do without getting had up for tax well <.>i i doubt it the trouble is in controlling it when you've got that situation as well cameron your suggestion was we might do the job of the <.>committee that you are charging the committee with now would you like to develop that a little oh <.>i i don't think there's any point in doing the job of the committee now i think we should just get on with it <.>and i mean it's an obviously eminently sensible recommendation as one would expect from a <{><[>committee of their intelligence <[>word <&>six seconds of indecipherable speech not transcribed jenny can i add one observation that perhaps would be appropriate for the committee to bear in mind when looking at that development programme is that IF we are getting more use of whakapapa and ohakune underused <.>i <.>is should we be looking at differential bunk fees <.>w trying it <&>9:00 for a season i think there ARE people for whom the financial thing is quite important and a small shift <,> in er a small differential in those bunk rates might er might shift the balance i know that <.>i'm speak for myself in this that er paying for four of us me paying for four people to go for a week it wouldn't take much in bunk rates for me to think oh perhaps we'll just go to ohakune this time and there might be other people in that situation it's just <.>a just a thought to be aware of that possibly we could do that <,,><&>7 word <,> um that case er <.>i'll i'll put the motion and <.>i i didn't actually note it down but i think it was to the effect that the incoming committee be invited to develop a five year plan instructed <{><[>word INSTRUCTED <.>t <[>word didn't even look at it to develop it'd be yes the committee develop a five year <&>10:00 development programme etcetera etcetera all those in favour please say aye <&>others say aye contrary? <.>car carried peter would it assist you if the meeting gave some um feelings as to <,> um how that <.>might how developments might be funded or would you rather leave that no <.>i no i think that's yeah that's sort of word <{><[>i suppose word yeah i think we could leave that voc for another a g m i think later in the evening perhaps we <.>could <.>p people could talk about the sorts of things TO committee members whether word on what problems and issues THEY see in relation to the two lodges whether we should be um in some ways awfully <,,> ohakune and say we're just going to forget about ohakune and not just spend any money on it <,> because if no one wants to stay <.>there or whether we need to actually upgrade the facilities there to encourage people word <&>11:00 those sorts of issues i think i'd like <.>to people START to debate and talk about the um <,> no maybe even put messages into <.>the the log books at <.>the at the huts so that when you're there engage OTHER people in the same debate and <.>i it really needs to be discussed quite widely <,,><&>3 <[>preempting things best we move on to the second green motion <,,> which is as to the nineteen ninety three subscriptions and fees would you be willing to speak to those <,,><&>4 well er i just repeat that we had made <.>a a recommendation that the um the adult subscription moves to a hundred and ten dollars which is inclusive of <.>the the ten dollars maintenance levy um <,,> and that as i said before actually means <.>that that the subscriptions DON'T cover <&>12:00 all our costs but we were hesitant to force the hand of the a g m and <,,> i know i'd like someone else to move word if they feel so moved um and it would of course i mean that the consequence of increasing it beyond a hundred and ten would mean that we WERE beginning to generate <.>some some funds for future work <,> um i would ask for any other comments from the floor <,,> just <.>a <.>a a question on the graph which shows a decline in the cash surplus yep do you know which year <.>th <.>m most of the expenditure on the kitchen development er what year that fell in was that ninety one or ninety two that actually is um <.>isn't is excluded <{><[>from the graphs so <.>that <.>that that doesn't come in that's capital expenditure so it doesn't come into the profit and loss side of <&>13:00 the accounts voc it reduces our um cash reserves that we have <[>excluded right <,,><&>6 any other issues in relation to the level <.>of of subscriptions? <.>j <.>as just as a seconder point out that by moving a hundred and ten dollars as the subscription the effective subscription is ninety dollars <,> <.>cos if you pay in time yes the twenty dollar discount <,,><&>3 generally we have about sixty percent of our members paying in time <&>five seconds of indistinct speech not transcribed is that hundred and ten dollars actually mean <.>that that we should be <.>tw should be twenty more than that or is <.>that no that actually <{><[>word ninety dollars <[>the subscription is set at a hundred <.>and hundred and ten including the levy <{1><[1>and there will be a discount off that if people pay <{2><[2>by word <[1>right so <.>that's <[2>word your twenty two hundred projection <.>is <.>is is based on <.>the yes <&>14:00 it assumes a sixty percent discount but if it went <.>to if it were a hundred and twenty your graph shows <,> which <.>is word four thousand eight <{><[>hundred and ten percent of that um <,> that again assumes those same sort of discount rates <[>so <.>it's start as <.>like <,,><&>3 can i make my usual amendment to this motion <.>i i miss it every year when we're drafting these things <.>it <.>th there should be the summer rates in there too um five dollars for members adult and <{><[>child <[>are you talking about bunk fees bunk fees yes um and <,> last year i think we set them at ten dollars and five dollars for adult and child guests <,,><&>6 logically i suppose it ought to be half the <&>15:00 winter rate twelve and six <,,><&>4 i don't care if it doesn't make any difference financially word noted in terms of the subscriptions um i notice this discount that we sort of um put in there to encourage people to pay early word it's not worthwhile considering dropping the whole idea of the discount and actually keeping the er subs at er a hundred dollars <.>the it's going to give you a um it will give you basically an increase in your cash that you need also perhaps allow you to build a bit more of a reserve as well i just wondered what's the point of a discount you've got the rules in there <{><[>word people haven't paid if people haven't paid by a certain date they can't use the lodge <&>15:54 <[>laughs