<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>1:48 tut well i'd like to suggest we get underway adam and ted if there are um before we <&>2:00 actually begin are there <,,> tut additional things that you would like on the agenda or no <.>i i just want to say i think you've done a great job oh thank you <{><[>mm <[><.>i i mean <.>s there's obviously more work still to be done but i think you've <.>go done a terrific job of getting together a lot of material and getting some very good analysis of it mm oh thank you <{1><[1>ted i'm aware that it's got some um holes and flaws in <{2><[2>it but um yeah <[1>very very useful word <[2>mm no i'm fine with um <,> how we're going haven't had time to read this material but i <.>have i've given this a <{1><[1>couple of read throughs <[1>yeah mm so i'm okay quite up to date with that i meant to mm send you a <{><[>fax word word laughs yesterday word <[>word i <{><[>bought six new fax rolls where i was gonna CHARGE three organisations now for two each laughs <&>laughter and comment <[>word laughs i thought i should have couriered those up <{><[>on friday in preparation for monday laughs mm <[>no it's all right it's all right laughs so i'm i'm fine really yeah yeah um yeah i think it's good for us to get <&>3:00 together again at this stage even though when there is clears throat i realise the pressure that er judy has been under to cope with this material in this time but i think probably it's desirable that <{1><[1>the steering committee you know this working <{2><[2>party does get together to <{3><[3>try look at this stage <{4><[4>and i too am impressed with er the shape of what i word read <[1>mm <[2>yeah <[3>mm <[4>mm mm last night and this morning mm my own fax machine broke down half way through ran out of paper actually so half a message <{1><[1>laughs however um tut and i think er probably nell what we've got to do is er <,> take a bit of time looking at <{2><[2>the <[1>clears throat <[2>mm mm papers that <{><[>judy has given us as quickly as we can and sort of begin to <.>s pick up what might need to be the urgent things to be done <[>mm <,> mm mhm would that be right? yes absolutely i just think if we just go round the table with any kind of <,> comments whether that's the thing we all think we should be doing word mm it's probably worthwhile working through i think to a degree <{><[>too in the sections <[>yeah could i just make a few overall <{1><[1>comments that i think are important um in terms of a <&>4:00 <.>p a sort of a purist research approach one would have to say that this is flawed um <,> because of the nature of the <.>p the industry and the people in the industry um as it turned out i did almost all the interviews with the exception of people like eve and nell who were sort of experts on the telephone and <.>that and these people move at speed laughs oh the australian people obviously were all face to face but people were out on shoots i was talking to sonya when she was in the middle of mixing a film i mean and one of the reasons we did get behind was just by sheer nature of the life and the work pressures of the people who we were trying to <{2><[2>interview um and it's very very useful networking exercise but i mean i'm was thinking coming in in the car one of the questions adam had wanted looked at for instance is do people want a a <.>qualifica you know registered qualification oh no that's not the right word <{3><[3>word recognised qualification um i really wouldn't say that in the i mean in the end i <&>5:00 could give you an overall picture on some things but i won't be able to necessarily come up with absolutely um um <.>quanti voc you know quantitative analysis on all the issues because i just couldn't talk to some people for long enough they were kind of you'd get them on the <.>end or others would talk for hours you know you couldn't get them off <{4><[4>the phone because they were so pleased that somebody wanted to talk to them so laughs about this issue so that the research is there's heaps of of interesting stuff here sort of opinion but in some areas it is not actually able to voc to be sort of quantified as much as i would like um and in the end i was really going for the sort of as much of the key many of the key issues as i'd like so <.>s and some of the surveys some of the research is very very thorough others is <.>v is not um yeah <,> um <[1>good yes <[2>mm <[3>mm mm <,> mm <[4>mm could you give um the committee an <&>6:00 idea of what the <.>fi the shape of the <{><[>final report <[>okay well as i see it um because research was still coming in last week which was really my writing week i didn't begin really writing this till friday um so what i was trying to do was to pull together as many of the themes and as much useful information as i could for this meeting and for you know future meetings to have them as i understand it very soon um in terms of the future shape of the report um i i have all these um sort of <.>s category groups here um like the producers um <,> commentators and experts etcetera directors and i've been systematically working through those analysing the data taking out as much um quantitative analysis as i can and so what the committee would expect for the final report is is a sort of a scene by scene breakdown of each of those <&>7:00 groups so screen writers i will do a whole section on them and analyse in fact i have written theirs i just have to type that one up um a whole section on producing so that <,> and i would expect this to change a little um for instance the commercial industry comment is only really we've got one more of those to come in and um <,> so <.>y you know it'll obviously be much better laid out it will you know have <.>a <.>a in the way a a report <{1><[1>would be with you know sections one to twenty or how many and point by point um contents probably quite an interesting appendix i would expect um and this scene by scene stuff that would be going at the end of it and once i've done um a bit more of a breakdown and that SOME of the data in here will change a little i would expect and i THINK that i would probably sharpen up my overall introduction too even reading that <&>8:00 again this morning i think that that needs um you know a <.>s a lot more quite hard hitting things that could go into that and i would hope that you people have got um comments and criticisms of things to change um <,> <.>th i do believe now there probably needs to be a section on um <.>ma on the <.>ma the maori scene um cos that did as i started to get into that as i say i went to interview um eve i ended up talking to theo worden at the film commission and picking up a kind of whole set of trends in there there seems to be a range of different needs in that area some are the same some are <{2><[2>different and um i feel that <,> i can talk in more depth about that but that particular area needs workshopping um a bit more extensively <{3><[3>word <[1>clears throat <[2>clears throat <[3>have have you talked to phil in relation to that <{><[>judy <[>i've talked to phil i've talked to er i haven't talked to rerehau cos she hasn't been here no er we've talked to hemi morehu we've talked to <&>9:00 kevin mcleod and i've had a talk to um er neralie ngatai um pania reed and um melissa mataira <{1><[1>which has given us sort of a <.>fair <{2><[2>fairly word <[1>oh okay <,> fantastic <[2>good cover that's a very <{><[>good cover <[>mm <{><[>mm <[>of of the you know the young fairly bushy tailed up and coming young film maker who's been on a couple of training projects through to people that've been in the industry a while mm phil's view of it is that clears throat um well i voc that basically we need to look at who is out there in the maori scene he said a lot of money has been pumped in at preentry level <{1><[1>word a lot <{2><[2>word <[1>laughs <[2>tell me about it yeah you know <{><[>mm mm <[>word the understatement of the year <{><[>mm <[>mm millions three point two million on <{><[>rhonda's course um goodness knows how many million for the <&>name project <[>clears throat mm and so what we need to look at is who is still in the industry and kind of what is the skills <&>10:00 level and why is nell stroke eve and i know we didn't talk about this in huge depth why are we <{><[>not hearing from some of these people <[>no mhm mm because theo worden actually believes that the that the problems are <.>a are very very basic <{1><[1>they're at the point where voc good submissions aren't even being written you know <{2><[2>that people are having real difficulty in getting basic submissions onto paper <[1>mm that's right <[2>yeah um hemi would probably have backed that up <{><[>too <[>yeah and then there becomes a whole interesting debate about should people be able to do oral submissions cos my teaching experience <{1><[1>with some of these people shows me that when you ask people in a course go away and write a proposal for film or a t v programme they'll tell you orally a brilliant programme and they'll go <{2><[2>away and write something that's absolutely <{3><[3>disappointing in the extreme and so <,> mel mataira talked about she thought a need for young maori to have to be professional to present their stuff but also to be able to back that up verbally was very important in terms of a sort of bicultural development <[1>yeah <[2>yeah <[3>yes rerehau would <{><[>would endorse that same <[>mm yeah so <&>11:00 clears throat notion um <,> yeah so so i've i mean tut that area i felt mm theo was away at a hui when i tried to get back to him but that area needs quite a lot more <{><[>word <[>i think if you're very i think <.>i if you haven't had an extended review i think it would be very worthwhile having one with theo because he's mm mm he's developing a lot of knowledge <{><[>actually you know <[>mm well just in twenty minutes he gave me yeah you know yeah several <{><[>word <[>where is where is is the funding from those schemes coming from um various kinds of state tut voc <{><[><.>f <.>fun funding for <.>p phil <[>is is funding er new zealand employment schemes <{><[>etcetera <[>not any more now brendan no you see <&>name came under um t v t v <{><[>word <.>ma and maccess <[><.>ac maccess <{><[>maccess yeah <[>maccess funded phil's scheme <{><[>mm <[>mm and of course they've they've still got the gear up there yeah and that's another very fruitful area of research i believe is actually to look at where is all this kind of video gear and stuff it's i mean voc this <{><[>you know <.>s there's there's editing machines stacked three deep <&>12:00 out at avalon gathering dust that that students at swinburn or anyone else would you know kill for <[>what sort of a oh yeah there's phil's equipment throw some <{1><[1>money away throw <{2><[2>some money on mm <[1>i mean so that's another thing we need to put on the list <[2>yeah throw the money throw the money <{><[>word yeah yeah yeah <[>throw the money on the concrete and the machinery and not on the talent <{><[>this is exactly the whole word problem <[>that's right yeah yeah mm you know um it's the development of the talent <{><[>which is most important <[>typical government response <{><[>to um <[>yes it is tut dealing with things <{><[>classic oh classic yes mm <[>the <&>name scheme was the big one the the television took in <{><[>fifty maori trainees in the late eighties <[>mm mm mm and there there's i think there is nobody from that scheme although there were some really stunningly good people <{><[>there's nobody now <[>no <.>ev no evaluations that's right <&>12:40