<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>2:33 okay MINUTES of last meeting anybody got any comments everybody's <,> read them? yes voc matters arising? <,,> no? <,,> word i can't remember reading them actually well you weren't there at the meeting <&>3:00 wasn't i yes word no no i don't think you were <.>you mm mm i was in i was in hobart actually mm okay reports <{><[>um <[>of course i was still in word brief reports finance please andrew um welcome the reports that er information technology er provide a new subnet for the purposes of word to isolate that machine and the traffic it produces er <,,> and that er <,> we're looking to improve er the reporting er the asset register for departments make it in more usable form er extend the length of description in particular um er and er still very much appreciating the er having an applications consultant in the office to look <&>4:00 after all the computing needs that we have er that have been suppressed for so long yes and are now being attended to okay he's getting along very well with our staff too with terry and myself so we're enjoying working with <{><[>him <[>mm okay do you see him from to time <{><[>word <[>oh yes yes yeah that's good okay and there's nothing from jenny i don't think anybody's well there's <{><[>er <[>degree <{><[>audit <[>there's <{><[>the there's the report on degree audit and <[>there's <.>a but not on student administration as such mm <{><[>i tried word but nobody else <[>word yes yes mm yes it's it's looking very promising what they're doing with the degree audit of the <.>b in relation to the b s c anyway <{><[>er <[>but one thing i'm not i'm not clear about this heather coughs um <,> tut the seems to me that the the degree audit <,> ought to be aimed towards in its first instance aimed towards deciding <&>5:00 whether somebody's completed enough for a degree right so therefore things like corequisite and prerequisite checking and so on is hardly necessary is it <,> for that <{><[>word <[>they should yeah you're right in in theory they should before they're given <.>ad admission to any individual course that <{1><[1>should be checked out <{2><[2>by whoever's admitting them into the course that <{3><[3>they've got the <[1>yeah <[2>yes <[3>and <.>o but once they're in the course if they've passed the course they i would have thought that that counts towards the <{><[>degree irrespective of <[>yeah that's right if they've got <.>two it <.>i it is one of the tidying up things that the faculty administrators or whoever's doing the auditing does yeah um <,> just checking to see that everything <,> is in in order in that respect and if it's not they then get sort of retrospective permission to be exempted yeah from doing that directly mm but apart from that yeah <,> it's it's a reasonably straight forward <{><[>exercise <[>administration seems to be one that everyone's talked about for a long long time and it's been highly essential but <{><[>if they haven't worked out at the beginning as you say oh although you <&>6:00 can't go word in any case <.>the this university takes the responsibility for ensuring that it graduates that that the the students ARE enrolled in a course which will lead to a degree er um in that respect this university is fairly well unique i suspect that most universities allow people into courses they want to take and it's the students' responsibility as to whether it leads them to a degree or not <[>mm yeah but and um you know so that there's there's a lot of crosscrediting <,,> goes on and <,> and it's a very labour intensive <,> project very labour intensive and and very subject to error mhm <,,> do we want to make any relevant comments back to jenny <{><[>from this or <[>i don't i i i'm not suggesting we do <{><[>i'm just just just i would have thought that the first word degree audit for b s c could simply <,> ensure that we're graduating people who are entitled to graduate <[>no yeah that in itself would be a significant <{><[><,> achievement yeah <&>7:00 <[>it would indeed yes but there is voc a an error in here which i will need to tell somebody er i guess it's lawson i'll go and tell tut at this stage <,> mm mm <{><[>well you're on the you're on the <[>okay in the group <{><[>yes <[>word word word thank you the only difficulty I have is is is set course comments at the top of page two these comment <,> about the time it's going to take to get that word coordination and a <,,> and the time available to do this task and all the others as well mm yes that's the problem isn't it mm big gap now nothing will be done other than what lawson can do and heather are you still working on <,,> more rules and things or <{><[>do you hope more you've done all your task <[>no <.>they they've got i've i've more or less done it they've got the rules all straight <{1><[1>um <,> <.>i it's just my job at the moment is pulling out some tricky cases for them to <{2><[2>test to test that's um <[1>mm <[2>yes well see mm mm <,,> <&>8:00 yes because the <{1><[1>test's aim is the one that will show up any <,> inconsistencies and <{2><[2>problems yeah <[1><.>we once they <[2>mm okay then we move on to training are you going to <{1><[1>give us anything <{2><[2>caroline <[1>no <[2>i <.>have i haven't <.>s right when i spoke to mark this morning he was at a meeting so i haven't actually got anything <{><[>from him but he's word an apology <[>right okay network and communications phil yeah i got some <.>pro well actually i do have some progress to report <,> fortunately for a change not as much as i had hoped of course <&>rustles papers three seconds there you go thank you thank you got one for ashley here voc he doesn't need one um <,> and a few spares um you might like <.>i if <{1><[1>you're going to word to her but you might as well just take those with you um since the last meeting um by accident more than design <&>9:00 we've got the chaplaincies MORE or less cabled in fact <,> they may already actually be be be <.>c be ready to for connection right now um <.>i is john <.>r <{2><[2>connected mm <[1>i'll take those to word mm <[2>i haven't heard from him for a week which is surprising yeah <,> um <,,> tut and a few additions to here um i'll come back to those er the office for research in mount street and the v u w press ARE connected <,> now so those connections are finally crossed off the list the <.>s the um union building <,> and students' association <,> have not yet been connected <,,><&>3 despite um fairly pointed questions <,> in raised tone of voice being asked over several weeks now there's almost nothing to do so that's what the entry there <,> reflects um also <,> since the last report we have connected um er <&>10:00 <.>s six kelburn parade they're now connected they're not up and running because it's in their court <,> <{><[>at the moment <[>yeah er <,,> the um <.>the just just commenting onto other things you might be interested in tut the um tut <,,><&>3 there's going to be a <.>m a <.>m another series of major shifts over next summer um the international students' office is being moved <,> again i've noted that in here i should actually have highlighted that um being moved into an area which is not currently cabled for the sort of equipment they have this is the sort of frustration i'm continually put to by um by you know just the shell game of shuffling people around the network connections are the last things taken into account and we suddenly have to drop everything and charge off in another direction to in order to meet a requirement where are they moving to they're moving to the area which was vacated by the graduation office which is cabled for apple talk yeah it was indeed clears throat <&>11:00 um <,> so clears throat so it's it's it's EXTREMELY frustrating and we're going to face exactly the same thing over the summer as well um people are moving from er the arts faculty who are well connected and a lot of them are moving into an area which <,> has been extremely difficult to get networked and is still not networked so there's going to be enormous pressure to get <,> stuff that we have not yet begun to tackle completed by the end of the summer <,> and it doesn't seem to matter who i talked to brian brown about this <,> and <,> it's brushed aside i have told joanne morrison that she should ensure that the network will work for to her satisfaction before she even begins to pack her bags mm mm and um i don't care what sort of pressure that puts other people under it's it's just LUDICROUS i think she's taken that on <{1><[1>board she mentioned it to me when <,> talk <{2><[2>about phones <[1>yeah <[2>yeah yeah good i mean <.>i it's it's you know she should not be subject to that sort of pressure <&>12:00 it's ridiculous and nor <.>s should we er mm <,,> um the other er thing i'd like to draw your attention to is the list of external connections to local regional er educational institutions i've now written to about half the people on the list um <,> pointing out that c i t topnz um the wellington college of education and whitireia i <.>w have <,> definitely now <,> er committed to linking to victoria university <,> um and that's the internet and i've i've written to hawkes bay hutt valley <,,> um oh c i t has also committed um i haven't written to nelson polytechnic yet i've written to wairarapa and to <,,> i <.>have <.>did i have to the wellington polytechnic suggesting that we need <&>13:00 to get discussions under way er so we're going to have a quite a an extensive network our concern is not whether they connect to victoria university incidentally it's <.>w they connect to the internet mm yeah and then we can then communicate with them and work with them the <{1><[1>i was at the wellington polytechnic this morning er and amongst other things i touched on <,> this report that <{2><[2>i'd seen a number of times in the last month and just confirming with them that they didn't have any plans to connect <[1>phil <[2>mm right anything to anything they tell me they in fact do have a director of information services her name's andrea yes <{><[>andrea andrea farnham who's their academic officer i've talked to her this afternoon no sorry i haven't talked to HER yet but i understand she's sending me a letter er i but i did talk to bill koenigsdorfer a few minutes ago <[>farnham laughs he's the principal at wellington polytechnic <{><[>and <[>but but she has <{1><[1>your equivalent responsibility so <{2><[2>i understand <[1>yeah <[2>yeah yeah that that that i have now ascertained it's taken quite a long time that i believe this appointment is a very recent one <&>14:00 it was actually announced in <,,> the paper or something recently yes yes i know yes it was quite official so i am i i'm going to contact her arrange to go and visit her and so on <{1><[1>so um and and she's apparently very keen to <,,> to link up their various disparate er networks and so on to a cohesive you know which is what we've been looking for um it's taken quite a long time to get there but they seem to be heading in the right direction at least i like to think that a couple of sarcastic references er from various people of this university actually helped them along the right way pointed out the errors of <{2><[2>their ways i <.>the i think they've been getting it from quite a number of different sides actually mm <{3><[3>so <[1>yeah <[2>laughs <[3><.>and this might actually come up under number six but i had a call from um consultants this morning that we had actually talked to about um <,,> they they were interested in trying to do some work for us at vivian street <{1><[1>and um we said no <{2><[2>but they were talking <{3><[3>to <[1>mhm <[2>yeah <[3><.>pat patrick munro yeah <{><[>so <.>he <&>15:00 <[>from b <.>s b c c or b c l b c something <{><[>i don't know so <[>yeah yeah i er bill <{><[>bill koenigsdorfer gave me that name as well <[>right okay well he came through to me this morning and said that polytech are definitely interested in linking via microwave to us mm and <{1><[1>he'd looked at the sort of <{2><[2>microwave and i told him to talk to marcus <[1>did they word <[2>yeah yeah yeah so voc <{><[>mm <[>that's that's in the appropriate place still er <.>that yeah i <.>i they're very very keen to <.>ensure apparently they don't have line of sight to vivian street <{1><[1>and so they're going to need to link to vivian street through us anyway they're very keen to make sure what we're putting in doesn't <,> doesn't restrict that <{2><[2>opportunity <[1>mm <[2>mm that's right so that that's that's fine and i think that's that's it's very reasonable <{><[>and um mm <[>okay thanks phil any comments on phil's paper no <,,> security who usually does security <,,> normally i think bevan reports on that <&>16:00 <{1><[1>exhales not that there's a great deal to report on actually <{2><[2>at this stage <[1>mm <[2>word okay personnel rena <{><[>anything to <[>i don't have no nothing <{><[>to report <[>nothing to report gonna be a fast meeting it's tootling along laughter well the fact <{><[>is well the fact fact is that <[>nothing's happened the fact fact is that an awful <{1><[1>of the issues that were major <{2><[2>issues a year ago <[1>mm <[2>mm mm have recently resolved themselves mm in the meantime yes this is mm this whole report <{1><[1>and <{2><[2>agenda has been in place since <[1>mm <[2>mm mm tut i don't know a long long time isn't it ninety ninety one and ninety ninety mm <{><[>oh <[>okay off site interconnectivity anything <.>e <{><[>more to <[>well i don't yet have anything <,> to add to what i've just said about that and it sort of comes to this report i <.>think <,> <.>the that's not to say that we shouldn't be referred to separately but it is worth pointing out that um <,,><&>3 er first of all there is that document that was tabled at word yesterday right <&>17:00 of the checklist for off site linkages ones where we <.>ch i haven't actually read through in detail it looks it looks to have that was and interesting note should we bring that document to the next meeting to discuss <,,> no not necessarily no <{><[>okay <[>yeah <,> right don't know you could suggest it to jenny ash cos jenny's in charge of that area isn't she she's <{><[>the driving um <,,> um i mean <[>yeah i'm not saying i don't know that jenny IS driving it it came from us all being asked to put in <{><[>comments <,> so it's ashley that's driving that <[>oh is <.>it oh okay mm yeah mm mm <,> i've emphasised i mean i've i've sort of building up quite a network of contacts now and i've emphasised to everybody that i'm basically responding to an initiative the university's undertaking being lead by richard robson <,> now <,> he hasn't really had any problem to document yet has he no <&>18:00 and um he's away i think on his prolonged <,> running tour of the world laughs laughs don't know when he's back laughs so would you suggest that that document is seen by him at some stage i would have thought so yes seems worth looking into there was a note last time under privacy <,,> maureen kane and jenny and jeanette to confer with word the effect on the alumni <{><[>association <[>mm yes and that note was put in without any discussion i was not aware of it and jenny rang me and she <.>s she wasn't AT the meeting and she asked me about it and i said we didn't discuss THAT that was in ashley's hands and he was discussing it with jeanette and jenny was surprised i was surprised and so we had a discussion on the telephone and jenny was going to speak with <,,> jeanette about it so i <&>19:00 haven't had any further input to that <,,> <{><[>yes <[>okay then i'll get it put on next <,> month's meeting <&>19:06