<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>0:21 thank you everyone for your time and for filling out that word approval form and those of you that are still trying to count to a hundred you could let me have it later saw the fingers <{><[>go word <[>kind of like the night laughs laughs now i think everybody counting <{><[>on the fingers <[>word <{><[>word <[>cooee i think everybody had a copy of the agenda in their pigeon holes one or two i notice are not clearing them quite as quickly as perhaps you should because sometimes things go in there you might want to know about oh laughs got something in yours too have you does it go <{><[>back <[>sorry about that does it go <{><[>back very far <[>laughs <[>they've they've <{><[>lost it <&>1:00 <[>well which way that i'm out just trying to get started could i just keep to my i'll have a look <{><[>myself <[>get an eyeful leigh? if i <{><[>want to go <[>word word laughs oh <{><[>the shame <[>sorry mark that's all right don't worry about it <&>laughter till MK says well thank you everyone again they won't be able to transcribe this bit is this thing going this is going yes don't let it <.>don't forget it they want a sample from us could i have a spare one yeah sure you can have <{1><[1>one you of all people look at that a one spare <{2><[2>too <[1>thank you <[2>i left it in the office mark well thank you everyone again for coming er lucy's apologised is there <.>any there's noone else missing is <{1><[1>there there's several people who are not here that could be but that's all right i do invite all those other members of staff doris included but i think they quite likely have better things to do <,> um i put down minutes of the previous meeting but er there really were no such minutes um but if anyone had any <&>2:00 anything they want to bring up from past base school meetings that we've had that you think we might have forgotten we can do so there are some outstanding things there's that um policy on physical management of children that you're all pretty worried about and i've had no feedback from anyone yet whether i've got lost and forgotten shall we discuss that at our next week's meeting our next er session remember that came out <{2><[2>about a month ago <[1>coughs <[2>mm i think <,> <{><[>we <[>we need to do it together <{><[>yeah <[>yeah sorry <.>i i thought that we were quite happy with what it said because we felt that it um <,> special schools were different right and it in the wording of those CRITical remarks that that gave us movement didn't it you're thinking of the n z e i one oh yes that <{><[>was the one <[>right <&>3:00 okay there's one that i circulated just after that came out and they drafted it the beginning of last year when the <{><[>difficulties came up in christchurch <[>oh right right and i i honestly think most people have lost it or forgotten it i <{><[>filed it <[>and so yeah <{><[>filed it <[>filed it filed it laughs <{><[>well <[>word now the variety of e for anywhere laughs laughs in a way it exhales it may make us all more nervous to have a policy than not but we need i think to have one now to protect ourselves and for you to appeal <{1><[1>to something and it did say in there that if you have any problems have any concerns about incidents that had happened if you accidentally struck someone and someone else or when i mean <{2><[2>accidentally um you probably need some kinds <{3><[3>of ways dealing with that <,> okay i'm picking up straight from the last joint staff meeting the question of smoking policy i <&>4:00 have um made sure that people know what the procedures are for reviewing policies um the only reason i'm doing this is that it became a little bit <,> <[1>mm mm <[2>mm <[3>mm coughs in an unusual way but i think it was raised kim by you and <.>you you had probably never even seen this document so don't worry about that um i think sometimes it helps to have a bit of background when you're reviewing policies because occasionally things are said to me that i ADD to the policy on the computer for the next time thanks bett next time we review it <,> so the procedures for reviewing a policy are essentially <.>let let someone in senior management if <{1><[1>i can call us that know and probably talk to liz or myself so that you can see if there's been any developments since last time round and then preferably get a group of you together that <.>yo you think you can work with and draft something out for me take the <&>5:00 old one and write over it where it's not working and so on voc tut and then that would be discussed either here if it's base and joint if it's joint and if it's been discussed here anyway it should go to joint later so that everyone knows what the base school policy is and if they want to adopt it as their own or incorporate some bits of it they need to know in any case okay the board FInally <{2><[2>has <{3><[3>approval or has the authority <{4><[4>for proving approving policies and er <{5><[5>at that point they've not er established any appeal procedures or anything so i don't know <{6><[6>what happens if they sign <{7><[7>something or write something that we don't like we may need to negotiate that at some stage <,,><&>6 now the existing policy and ITS procedures are here <,> and all you've <&>6:00 got on the wall over there are the procedures which is one one side of this document <[1>coughs <[2><&>calls from another room <&>name <[3>sniffs <[4><&>calls from another room <&>name <[5><&>calls from another room <&>name come here <[6><&>calls from another room stay right here <[7><&>calls from another room bye yes i'm interested to see that we originally called it a smoke free environment i wonder if that was wishful thinking on my part or whether the ACT suggested that's what it would be called or what i don't know <,,><&>3 you might want to take a moment to look through that or you might prefer just to tell me now what aspects of the present policy are not working <,> as if i can't guess and er go from there <,,><&>9 my understanding is that there are some people on the staff who find smoke gets in their eyes and lungs and whatever and have a real problem with it and that by and large people try very hard to blow <&>7:00 out of the designated smoking window but i have to confess that if the wind's blowing the other way it comes straight back in i think um i think the smokers have been very careful to get that right but i also know that we've had people come in who smoke who perhaps don't take the same trouble and we may have to just look at that one i just think the biggest <{><[>disadvantage of it all is the size of this room <[>coughs right mm and there's just nowhere for people to go who smoke that um is perhaps acceptable to others it's yeah more that you can't smoke outside because of the students and that sort of thing i mean this room is incredibly small isn't it <{><[>right <[>mm and i think that's the problem really and i <.>kno as far as <{><[>i'm concerned but i don't know how you get over that <[>right oh right yeah i'd agree i i think the problem is that it is a very small room and i i think no matter <&>8:00 how hard the smokers try to get the smoke out the window with that window's open it just blows straight back into the into here which is fine if if that door there's open as well but it's been so cold lately that you can't have that door open as well and then and therefore it does get smoky in here and i think another problem too was that there <.>w there were parents that come in and it's happened once or twice and I didn't feel that I was in a position to tell those parents not to smoke <{><[>right <[>not even knowing the parents to start with right um and THAT part of the problem i'm sure and i've spoken to betty can be alleviated because the the <{1><[1>parents involved can just be um informed or or given a word in their ear or something about that so THAT part of it can probably be alleviated <{2><[2>so <[1>coughs <[2>i said nothing last time when <{1><[1>that particular parent who's a heavy smoker came in but she made the comment that she would smoke she'd put her cigarettes over there in the corner and <{2><[2>said i'll smoke over here <{3><[3>but of course she forgot where she was and in a few minutes she was <&>9:00 walking up and down <[1>coughs <[2>right <[3>right mm it was just an oversight on her part but er it's important i THINK and i'd like to know how you feel about this that parents if they come in stressed particularly not to have to worry about too MANY restrictions <,> er mm i'd agree i think you know especially for smokers around me being a smoker myself that that is going to put them at ease before they have to go and have a meeting or or have a talk about something that's troubling them there needs to be an area where they can do that um but by the same token i don't think the rest of the staff should have to suffer because of their smoking um i think it's just that we have to be able to find a solution to the problem mm right <,> our first solution was that people would go out the front of the school to smoke and i have to say the smokers were extremely good about <{><[>that <[>that worked very <{><[>well till the winter came <[>mm but it <.>that well it was wrong for winter and <&>10:00 it looked awful i used to go out to join <{><[>them so that they didn't feel like lepers and we'd stand out there chatting in a pall of smoke and i thought well anyone walking past <[>laughs yeah but <{><[>i think that happens in many many places <[>word considerations too do you i think you think that's okay? <{1><[1>yeah i think <{2><[2>that's okay <[1>word <[2>right central kids <{><[>anyway <[>i've seen lots of people go outside to smoke i mean at night if you're going out a lot of people go <{><[>outside to smoke <[>go outside to smoke mm well prue <{><[>you're not regularly involved here but as a smoker you you probably can stand back a bit and er how do you feel <[>coughs one of the things about going outside is you use three early lunch hours a week so when you're going out there between twelve and one you're smoking in front of central children anyway and many of our kids that do go outside right well that's a hiccup word the central children that are actually going home for lunch you mean <{1><[1>no that are out there playing <{2><[2>at lunchtime <[1>well <[2>playing oh right is it but do we have to think about those children when they're not pupils of our school well some of our big guys do go out there at <&>11:00 that time too so well they're not out there till one never are they out there until one oh no that's right they don't go out till after <{><[>central come inside no <[>mm i think if you start thinking about everybody else around mm you <{><[>never <[>you'll never get there <[>word you couldn't smoke no that's right i think we've got to very aware that we set a good example for the children that are here it's a difficult situation with being sort of attached to to central school but i don't um think that we're beholden to all of the children there as well i don't know when you look at the options coughs we've got the toilets like we used to when we were at school <{1><[1>laughs <{2><[2>laughs <[1>we haven't got any bike sheds <[2>bike sheds laughs dark garage apart <{><[>um <[>boy next door <{><[>and word <[>we both share the <{><[>laundry of course <[>coughs yes there's the the laundry same areas word create more problems word right so the laundry is there but it <{><[>must for the sick bay <[>well it's a sick bay area without a bed how big is it big a area is it <{><[>it's not going to i don't suppose it's going to bother anyone if there's nobody in in that area <[>word <&>12:00 so long as the smoke doesn't linger so long as we didn't need to lie down an asthmatic er or somebody who yeah that's a problem but <{1><[1>do we lie down an <.>as do we lie down an <.>as any child when we are not <{2><[2>fully in the room we bring the children in here to lie <{3><[3>anybody down we must always be watching <&>12:20 <[1>that's only a <[2><.>probab probably not <[3>probably not