<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>0:36 don't know well she said she has to work at um waitara there's a youth hui on tut oh yeah so she'll be um going to that next week but i mean monday she didn't say anything about monday or tuesday oh yeah <,> does she still work at the women's centre um no she's sort of bowed out of the women's centre she's been doing this course in urenui that gardening access course is that <{><[>finished now <[>her and phoebe lowry yeah i don't know how <&>1:00 much phoebe lowry actually did cause every time i talked to katherine i said um how's it going she said oh that's all <.>righ it's going all right i'm just doing this week for phoebe lowry and then every time i'd seen her it would be i'm just doing this couple of days for phoebe she's gonna pay me or we're going <.>half half and half for time but it always seemed that katherine was working a couple of days more for her she's a hard working girl katherine or phoebe katherine yeah does she like it yeah i think so phoebe said she wasn't too sure she said it was pretty hard work and she hadn't done it before but i don't know if she'd do it again but i think katherine will cause she's always done them eh yeah she's well she's sort of been part of them before i don't <.>think oh she's relieved she relieved for that course in new plymouth i think yeah mm it's quite good she's sort <&>pronounced as court of sort of done quite a bit she's still doing the waitangi stuff project waitangi oh yeah she was down in wellington <.>w you know when we went to that movie yeah <{><[>um <[>oh yeah she was there yeah katherine was there oh that's right <{><[>cause <.>she's <.>likes she's been in china eh <[>yeah yeah but it <.>was wasn't just that it <.>was she was down there on some <&>2:00 waitangi stuff and the week before she'd been down there too really so she's probably amassed quite a lot of knowledge and <,> stuff about <.>educating <{><[>oh yeah <[>project waitangi stuff yeah i'd say so mm she's a good <,> woman isn't she she is and why has she bailed out the women's centre again well i don't know i think it probably that she hasn't had time cause she's doing that course probably yeah plus she used to do an enormous amount of work there i know but she did before originally when it used to be um <,,> when it was somewhere else yeah and then she kind of went out of it i think <.>w she got out of when where there was a whole lot of conflict going on oh yeah oh i don't know <.>she mind you she helped sort out conflict quite often mm so do you see much of her no i haven't seen her for quite a while i'd like to see more of her but <,> she doesn't come round but the other day <.>the um <,> took us quite a long time to work <.>out we had this um <,> packet of chocolate biscuits <,> left in the letter box six of them and me and eliza we didn't want to eat them for a while because we <&>3:00 were a bit um <,,> er we <.>were we were wondering where they came from oh yeah but anyway you know a couple of days all laugh and you want some chocolate all laugh you don't really worry too much you don't worry if they been <{><[>poisoned after you've ate them <[>laughs <[>yeah that's right and then about a week <{><[>later i rang katherine and she asked me <.>w if i got the chocolate biscuits so it was her that <[>yeah word your brother might have planted them there all laugh i know <,> yeah bit of a worry mm <,> so if you know how <.>w if you want to know how to do away with me put chocolate biscuits in your <{><[>letter box <[>yeah that's a good idea must remember that <{><[>mm <[>yeah we <.>c we could kill you with <.>over kill you with eating too much chocolate <,> overdose on chocolate oh no <.>po poisoned <,> oh you mean just if there was just too much chocolate put a box of them out there actually that's what i worry about is um <,> <{><[>eating too <.>m no is i eat enormous quantities of chocolate every day i'd have chocolate voc <[>being poisoned are you addicted well i don't know if i'm addicted but you know every time you have a bit of chocolate <.>your your body has to secrete heaps of insulin to <&>4:00 deal with it and i think i'll <.>be i'm sure i'll get maturity onset diabetes it's for the sugar that it has to <,> secrete the insulin yeah but i think your pancreas isn't that what they <.>th that's one of the theories why they think people get maturity <{1><[1>onset diabetes just from years of <,> pancreas getting <{2><[2>tired <[1>yeah <[2>yeah i think chocolate has two things it has that thing on your pancreas but it also cos the cocoa's a stimulant <,> so that kind of revs you up a bit as well <{><[>like caffeine you know <[>mm yeah <,> i know i <.>try i try not to eat so much eh but i just crave it but i think that's another thing is that when your pancreas is putting out a lot of insulin all the time i think it does it easily mm and you like have a meal and i think it puts out too much cause i get really HUNGry for chocolate mm you're probably hypoglycaemic <,> do you reckon <{><[>yeah <[>i just think you're addicted to chocolate no i could be a little bit because you know when i went to anna bear she thought that i could be hypoglycaemic yeah i could <.>not not bad not like i'd go off and have convulsions if i didn't get <{><[>chocolate <[>no but just like beth and like <.>i've have been yeah but probably not as bad as beth <&>5:00 <{><[>probably if i had a decent diet i'd be bloody healthy AS <[>no you DO don't you <,,> except for your chocolate? yeah i suppose i do basically i have a lot of cheese and that <{><[>that's pretty fatty <[>yeah <,,> yeah but you seem to tolerate it you're a healthy girl mm yeah i am that in the i <.>s i looked in a photo of you oh on kay's tape your legs look skinny eh that photo when we were walking along like that i know well we both look skinny yeah you were much skinnier in those days were you do you reckon you're skinny now no i <.>was i don't think i'm skinnier now than i was then oh don't you no you were skinny when you were in auckland weren't you YEAH no i WASN'T you had a very skinny patch there oh i WAS NEVER skinny laughs skinny SKINNY voc stupid word it's going a bit far isn't it yeah yeah i'm skinny now eh you're lean ginny said you were lean kay oh <{><[>that's nice can't have been me <[>hey that's what i was um <,,> we listened to dale spender eh talk on the radio as well did <.>y did you see her <{><[>in auckland <[>i never went to see her cause we went to um <,,> nellie had sharly and janey for over dinner that night so we didn't what was she doing there oh she was just speaking <,> she <{><[>was <.>sp <[>she wasn't brought over by a <{><[>fairly special conference <.>or <[>oh no i think she might have been brought over for the um new zealand listener awards or something oh really for BOOKS <.>women don't they <.>ho you know <.>th how they had that <.>women's <,,> they had some women's literary thing by the listener oh no yeah each <{><[>year <[>mm yeah oh it was <.>tha oh she was here for that yeah i think she was here for that but she was speaking at the women's bookshop up there no she wasn't she was speaking at auckland girls grammar or something and sam who um sharly and una um stay with she went and she came back and told us quite a lot about it <,,> she said that she was really kind of um <,> like she's het mm <{><[>dale spender <[>uh huh she is she's not she's a lesbian no <{><[>she's not <[>she's het she's a <{><[>LESBIAN she's a lesbian she's a lesbian she <[>she's not she was the one i <[>she word how do you know BECAUSE i know two australian women that move <&>7:00 in those kind of circles and they say she's a dyke <{><[>no <[>she SAID at this thing that she's been living with a man for many <{><[>years <[>yeah she said on the radio that i heard on the <{><[><.>r <[>yeah but living with a man but she's not sleeping with him <{><[>no no she meant that <[>no no she's been in a relationship with a man for ages cause i read her book you know her letters between her and her sister <{><[>lynne spender <,> she's definitely straight in that <[>yeah and yet you know she was saying stuff like um <,> how <.>me you know like to the effect that all men are terrible and even boy children and stuff like that mm it was really weird i reckon you often get that with feminists they <.>re i mean they kind of <,> have a <{><[>lot <.>more <[>straight feminists? what <{><[>feminists <[>straight <[>yeah straight sorry <,> straight feminists <{><[>well i know especially her because she's ULTRA political <[>well yeah but <,> it's sort of weird the way straight women the way they put down men so much i suppose lesbians don't talk about them so much no cause we don't have to even worry about the politics of men <,> well we don't have to worry about them in personal <,,><&>3 do we <&>8:00 <{1><[1>well we do in a <{2><[2>way we've got brothers and fathers <[1>word <[2>well imagine if i had a guy living here yous would come around and you'd sneer every time i made him a cup of coffee <{><[>or <[>we wouldn't come around here i mean it wouldn't be a problem all laugh <{><[>no you wouldn't have a man here <,> face it <[>no but we <,> we still have we still got you know we still got to worry about men like <.>br we got brothers and fathers and people like that <{><[>but we don't word <[>but you don't have to in a personal sense and <{><[>she going on about um like there's two dykes up north who are on a dairy farm and <.>they've <.>one one of them's got a son and <.>he voc like if he brings home a mate or something like that and there might be a whole room of women <[>that's still personal mm like they've got friends up there or something like that but they just take over mm they sort of <.>teenage two or three teenage boys sort of just dominate the room mm and they were going you know she was going on about <{><[>male children <[>dale spender said that? yeah <,> no no no no no <,> someone ann was talking to one of those women <,> um and she was saying even like for male children you know <,,> they take over? <{1><[1><{2><[2>oh well it's TRUE it's completely true <[1>yeah <[2>yeah boys they even babies yeah that's right <.>i i totally agree with that there's a saying reflecting men at twice <&>9:00 their size and that's what women do in conversation with men oh really and then what did you do all this thing encouraging men to talk mm and oh that sounds interesting and <,> you know that's just what we're trained to do well i remember when i was growing up reading you know teen girl magazines saying how you should get a boyfriend was by being a good listener yeah and i reckon they still do that probably and that's the thing listening skills aren't valued as well because women are really good listeners <,> we're trained to i mean i know i'm not all laugh oh i don't know something went wrong with my upbringing all laugh you're not <{><[>bad <[>no wonder you're a lesbian you're such a bad listener you had to be laughs yeah couldn't get a boyfriend all laugh that's right <,> <.>but but listening isn't valued like talking is valued and what you say is valued but listening being able to pick out what people are actually saying isn't a value because our society doesn't recognise it mm cause it's what women are good at mm that's also what dale spender says yeah i think she said some quite good things oh yeah and she said that most girls at high school would rather be thin than brainy yeah i heard the same interview i think <&>10:00 <{><[>yeah <[>yeah that's right and yeah that's what ann was saying she said that <,> um <,> how <,> sort of women are missing out on the sort of power and that now <.>it's it's through technology mm like men are sort of really clued <.>ab up about computers and stuff like that <{1><[1>and they're all learning about it and stuff like that and that's <.>whe kind of the access to all the knowledge is now <{2><[2>it's on computer <[1>yeah <[2>mm <{><[>yeah that's right because she said even though women are now the cornerstone for the book market reading novels and that <[>it is mm you know like women's press and steaming ahead they're doing really well mm she said <.>it and <.>that in <.>the <,> i don't know in another generation that would have been really good that men had all the books yeah but now it's the technology <.>that <,> <{1><[1>that women <,> <{2><[2>need <[1>yeah <[2>oh so <{1><[1>so that we haven't made any gains <{2><[2>because <,> technology's going ahead of us <[1>yeah like word <[2>well we've got our books yeah mm <&>10:47