<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>11:56 i'm supposed to go for a run this afternoon but i don't think i'll have time running you poor thing it's good for you i quite enjoy running yuk laughs my brother's into running now poor little sod mm <,,> mm if i want to hurt myself i go to the gym what gym do you go to evolution and how often do you go five days a week in the mornings? <,,> whenever like what kind of hours do you keep for your m a thesis like fulltime? what's it on recreation and leisure yeah tut i mean i'm studying on top of classes about four or five hours a day theoretically i am i am at the moment i'm doing about five or six so how many hours <.>a a day do you have at varsity <,,> two every day? except friday mm but then we might have assignments to mark and <&>13:00 <,> appointments to see people so i mean it varies and so how many people are in doing the m a <,,> nine first years nine so what are you gonna do with it <,,> take over the world <{><[>laughs <[>go to america and become rich by the sounds of it or japan sounds like they need bloody leisure more than anyone else mm i don't know <,,> clears throat <,,> it's actually changed me a lot this degree already why i'm a lot more secure in myself than i used to be eh a lot more selfconfidence why from participating in leisure probably no laughs <,> yeah no just <.>in doing the course in situations i mean i if i had to go to an interview or what have you i'd be virtually SICK and in the toilet for several hours beforehand just with nerves like just seeing anyone now i don't care <&>14:00 i just go and do it it doesn't worry me laughs <.>w <.>o when did you start it march march yeah and i mean also i mean i've made a <.>few like with the maori thing i mean i've still got NO time for political <.>correctness political incorrectness is safe but i appreciate things more now have you looked at issues relating to <,,> to land tenure or something? yeah that's part of our maori kind <.>of that's the maori component of the course coughs two compulsory three day stop <.>o stays on marae <{><[>mm <[>um and three two hour seminars on maori culture and stuff i'd like to do that when i come back yeah <.>why why is that part of your course if most of us will be working in new zealand you've got to understand the bicultural issue context <,,> oh yeah don't sound so sceptical i <.>wa i think it's a really good idea <.>to having it <&>15:00 it's just that i kind of think <,,> um well i mean <.>i it should be a more inherent part of the course <,,><&>4 well the thing is we're not <.>teachi why <.>do the way you you say THAT it makes it sound like we're teaching anglo saxon leisure <.>leis leisure for wasps <{><[>and it's not like that at all there's a component for social science research which i'm doing a component on social policy and of course there's a bicultural element in that but it's not overt it's PART of the course there's a thing on LEISURE and that's theoretical leisure you know what it is why people do it and biculturalism's got no place in that <.>as except as um reason for why different people do different things and then that's not boiled down to RACE <[>laughs what do you mean it's got no place in it i don't mean that it's not PART of it what i'm saying is that it's not the basis for it <,,><&>6 mm i mean it's all very well all very politically correct to say that everything should contain um this er notions of women's suffrage and er race issues and everything because it's <.>politically <&>pronounced politicary politically correct thing to do at the time even if the subject um only has a minimum relevance to it unless things are encapsulated in the course rather than being overtly expressed well it's good they're there <{><[>i don't think many people say you should do these things cos they're politically CORRECT <[>oh yeah word eh? oh i don't know in some cases it's <{><[>true though <[>a lot of people change their attitudes um because um it's not seen to be doing the correct thing like i mean i'm quite happy to admit to certain things that i've got NO bloody time for um <,> people like <.>chip er <.>c certain maori land claims that try and <.>take um like the <.>mao land claim a while back <.>saying or the land claim trying to claim <&>17:00 the radio waves everything <,,> did you hear about that at all oh yeah i know quite a lot about it <{><[>i mean <[>yeah well i think there's <.>no you can't bloody claim that at all i mean that's <{><[>ridiculous <[>no <.>i i disagree completely why why not i mean inherent <.>in in the treaty is the right of development <{1><[1><.>that that's been granted to the crown as well so why shouldn't maori have <{2><[2>it <[1>yeah <[2>yeah no <.>i'm that's not what i mean that's the thing there's a balance there <,,> that you word too busy are talking past each other i mean the waitangi tribunal's doing a lot to fix that which is good <.>what what are you <.>saying why do you disagree with the claim though what do you disagree about with i mean i <.>get people <.>s asking me this a lot of the time and they say how can people claim things that didn't exist virtually everything that is claimed now are claims that arose NOT from eighteen forty but from AFTER eighteen forty of course they were and <.>why why are the airwaves any different i mean <,> <{1><[1><.>we're <.>the the culture and treasures of maori custom were guaranteed to them under the treaty and i think ANYone has a right to <&>18:00 development airwaves and media are really important in today's society it doesn't <{2><[2>strike me as a word <[1>well <[2>i think it was the way that the like the claims came across on the media <{><[>like <[>that's the media's fault though <{1><[1>that's REALLY bad media <{2><[2>representation <[1>yeah <[2>that's true it's bad media representation BUT i didn't see anyone standing up and saying hey this is not what we meant <.>hey hey you <.>should you <.>should okay WE did that with ngai tahu sea fisheries there <.>were voc <.>the <.>the with what again in english ngai tahu sea fisheries is a big report we put out last year <{><[>saying that <[>okay that's the south island fish isn't it yeah saying that um they were UNDER the treaty we made a finding that they were um entitled in eighteen forty to fifty percent of fisheries cos that's what the treaty said but our recommendation was that they should negotiate with the crown for what the crown would give them <{><[>which is a completely different recommendation from the finding <[>yeah mm the finding is nothing but a nice set of words basically mm the media came out and the next morning in <{><[>the newspaper <[>yeah i know i remember i read about it <{><[>yeah <[>and said that we <.>had we had recommended that <{1><[1>ALL south island fishery no ALL not even fifty percent be given back to ngai tahu in <{2><[2>the south island <[1>they get fifty percent <[2>mm yeah <&>19:00 it was complete bullshit i remember there was a lot of outrage about that <{><[><.>s surprisingly <[>yeah <.>we we objected strongly i mean <.>th we had a series <.>of of weeks <.>of <{><[>of like trying to get into the media and things and say this is WRONG <[>mm yeah but they didn't <{><[>take a blind bit of notice <[>what can you do they don't <.>so so there was <{1><[1>probably a lot of stink about that <{2><[2>but if it's only on page three in a small column <{3><[3>compared with the front lines <{4><[4>you don't see it <[1>mm <[2>mm <[3>yeah i know <[4>i <.>f i <.>f i found that most amusing actually i didn't agree with it <.>but i mean this thing <.>like i think what i object <.>to <,,><&>4 i mean it's not something you can put into words it's something that you feel i think a lot of it <.>is cos <.>i i get quite a lot of bad vibes <.>and and negative kind of comments when i say where i work but a lot of it is the media misrepresents an AWFUL lot of what we do <{1><[1>hugely and i think the media is really unfair to maori in new zealand they pick <{2><[2>up ANYTHING like for example <.>that like that consultant guy who was paid a hundred and twenty thousand dollars for a months' work the other week <[1>mm <[2>mm um it was somebody um tony regal his name was <{><[>yeah <[>well <.>that like <&>20:00 that was big news kind of <.>how how dare they waste so much taxpayers money on consultants <{1><[1>that happens in government departments all the time <{2><[2>but you don't hear ANYTHING about them because it was a maori issue it was a <.>big big deal basically <,,> <[1>mm <[2>yeah quite a lot of <.>s stuff yeah i don't know i think the issue there was though that the <.>sprink oh oh that seems quite oh i remember i was just going to say something and i just realised there's a dirty great fallacy in what i was going to say so i won't say it <,,><&>3 <{><[>but i mean saying that <[>i think a lot of it is unfair treatment basically by the media yeah but then you've got um real nutters as well on either side claiming things that are not really fair like trying to take private land and all that i mean BUY private land fair enough but you can't take it <.>that that's a <.>g another complete fallacy like the tribunal can <.>not <{1><[1>can not make recommendations on private land the only private land that's been returned is four hundred acres in <{2><[2>twelve years <[1>yeah i know it can't <.>take i KNOW it can't take it <[2>yeah i know <{><[><.>but <.>but if <.>i i'll tell you if i may finish my sentence <[><.>and and for private land to be returned yeah sure but <.>i i mean this <.>is clears throat this is a really <.>big big deal that we get <&>21:00 heaps of shit about <{1><[1>and like <,,> we can recommend on private land <.>but but <.>that <.>that apart from the fact they're trying to change that now by legislation that we can't recommend on private land anyway there has to be a willing buyer i e the crown and a willing seller and they can name their price basically <{2><[2>so it's BULLSHIT that private land is under threat <[1>yeah <[2>yeah i know now can i finish <,> what i was going to say is what you just said they can't have them but that doesn't stop proponents on either side trying to <.>bloody that's just <{><[>ignorance though <[>word <,,> it's not just ignorance it's grandstanding as well and there's a big difference but <.>it it's misrepresenting the facts so? that's never stopped anyone yeah but i'm saying <.>the <.>the those people are wrong i don't disagree with you that it's wrong but it's not going to stop it happening so <.>what's <.>why why is <.>it if <.>you if you admit they're wrong yeah and it shouldn't happen why is it a problem <,> <{><[>for you <[>i didn't say it WAS a problem you said it was something you disagreed with <,,> private land <,,><&>3 eh <,,> i think you're taking me out of context here never mind <,,> i think i was TALKING about um i was starting to talk about radicals and i'd <.>started was using private land as an example and then you jumped in before i could finish my sentence mm private land's a bad example cos it's NOT under threat it's that <.>is <{><[>like it's a good example of ignorance <[>it's a good example it's a football yeah it's a football <,> i mean people use what's going to be most emotive <&>22:21