<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>4:51 okay so the first thing i noticed was your <{1><[1>thing that you brought in tonight was that your boots <.>w what are the they're not your tramping boots are they <{2><[2>those red boots <,> why <.>h why have you got red boots <{3><[3>when you finish upside down in the snow they can see you by your feet can they <[1>laughs <[2>laughs <&>5:00 <[3>those are my docs laughs laughs i got those boots second hand <{><[>laughs <[>did you laughs yeah i got them last year laughs my tramping boots are like <,> tut <{><[>shocking pink and lime green <[>are <.>t word are they really yeah do you ever wear have you got them packed away i suppose yeah i've got them in the <{><[>cupboard <[>oh i'll see them later yeah but anyway and i think they reject dirt cos it <{><[>cos it doesn't matter what i tramp through <[>yeah laughs well yeah because how are you going clean them you just wash them do you or <{><[>put the hose on <[>yeah oh you normally end up tramping through some rivers and yeah they don't get cleaned up that way <{><[>word <[>yeah but anyway <{><[>yeah <[>mm mm <,,><&>6 bill what does your oldest son do <,> <{><[>is he <[>oh matthew he he yeah he's um works for a landscape gardener his problem is um i think i was telling you before but he started off an <&>6:00 apprenticeship as a fitter and turner but nothing ever came of that yeah then he was on the dole for <.>a quite a while and that seemed to be souldestroying being on the dole i was on the dole for <,> four weeks at the beginning of last <{1><[1>year and i felt yeah nobody wanted me <{2><[2>in a flat i couldn't find a flat cos i wasn't a student and i wasn't a worker <[1>were you oh <[2>yeah yeah and it's really hard yeah this is <{><[>right <[>and you feel funny it's like they know there aren't many jobs out there and it can be hard but at the same time you're not part of anything and my my complaint with him was you know you're just lacking motivation well that's probably the worst thing i could say to him because er if there's no incentive to find a job you know er what have they got to look forward to yeah exactly very difficult and it's kind of like there's always school there until you're too old to go to school yeah you know <.>s if you didn't have something you well there was always school to go back to but if you leave school and you want to go and work yeah yeah you can't go i mean school isn't really an option <{><[>any more so yeah <,> tut see i suppose like for me i sort of had university to go back to laughs <[>that's right <&>7:00 <{><[>well <[>costs you quite a bit to to go to university i was on the <{><[>dole <[>mhm oh you <{><[>were on the dole were you <[>yeah for about five months maybe in between <,> in between jobs tut and <{><[>how did it affect you <[>and um well i was flatting at the time <{1><[1>and so my landlady said she'd give me some cleaning work to do in her house sort of in er in exchange for a reduction in rent and i hated that <{2><[2>i HATED that i didn't like cleaning somebody else's house if it wasn't my own <{3><[3>it was awful <{4><[4>and then i got some work in the <&>name of place and then i got used to it laughs <{5><[5>laughs and it was only for eighteen months and i thought i'd do some access course or something and <{6><[6>and it was going to be run for i don't know three months or something like that and <&>8:00 they said that i couldn't get a job um if i'm on a course you know i couldn't leave the course and take on a job and i said <{7><[7>well stuff you cos i'm going to get a job <{8><[8>before then before this course finishes <[1>yeah <[2>laughs <[3>yeah <[4>oh word <[5>really <[6>word <[7>oh <[8>bloody hell yeah yeah <{><[>which i had <[>i know cos you're always you always <{1><[1>are sort of sure of sure that you're going to get a job <{2><[2>eh <[1>yeah <[2>yeah yeah yeah i told them i you know er that's a bit ridiculous if i can't leave the course <{1><[1>but ultimately i wanted a job not just bum <{2><[2>around in a course <{3><[3>all word oh no <.>bu bumming around is not <{4><[4>you know <[1>mm <[2>yeah <[3>mm <[4>yeah oh of course it's not bumming around but but <{><[>if i wanted a job <[>it's perhaps not it's not getting you on to what you want cos like i used to look at the options they had of different courses and i wasn't eligible cos you had to be unemployed for something like six months now to get on them but none of the courses um <{1><[1>they they weren't like what i had in <{2><[2>my mind as <[1>didn't appeal <[2>yeah <{1><[1>yeah well one of the ridiculous things that i came across with matt was that he wanted to do one of these er truckdriver courses <{2><[2>not not just to to drive a two tonne truck but these big rigs <[1>what i wanted <[2>yeah oh yeah and um there was a course going for that and er there was about twenty of them went through the <&>9:00 thing well when it was all over <.>w was er about three or four months i think the course yeah but there was no jobs came out of it not for truckdriving <{><[>there's not much jobs around for truckdriving is there <[>well he he big big <{1><[1>no cos i remember hitching with a truckie once and he said to me not a lot of there aren't there aren't a lot of <.>jo and they work really long hours <{2><[2>it's really hard <[1>er word <[2>well it's not you don't see advertising <.>s in the situations vacant for truck drivers do you no no and they're they're trying to hang on to their jobs <{1><[1>it's er quite tricky yeah i i don't think that's the stupid thing that they've got like courses and there are no jobs <{2><[2>for them <[1>yeah <[2>yeah this is the <{><[>point <[>and then things like one of my flatmates was a printer and he said basically there aren't enough GOOD four colour printers in new zealand and he's getting paid twenty one fifty an hour and it <.>w heaps of <{><[>overtime <[>what yeah HEAPS of overtime twenty one fifty an hour yeah exactly and he walked into that job when he was fifteen so that's ten years ago and <{><[>um he didn't need to have qualifications he walked into the job and <&>10:00 then did an apprenticeship <[>god yeah that's what you do you take up an apprenticeship once you get into the job yeah and he said yeah like i mean they just need to train more people how many young people know that how many careers <{><[>advisors are telling <[>yeah telling them that <{><[>fifteen year olds who want to leave school <[>yeah yeah yeah you know hadn't thought about doing that go and see what the job is it's not perhaps not the most exciting job but gee that money would keep anyone in <{><[>twenty one i wouldn't mind that <[>word see i mean <&>sighs he's on sixty grand before before overtime and <{><[>overtime would bring that up <[>mm oh that's <{><[>amazing <[>that's good <{><[>money <[>and his <.>a his assistant is paid something like thirteen dollars an hour yeah and they're just untrained as well word <.>un unqualified and <{><[>and people at varsity are coming out with english degrees and being paid ten bucks an hour laughs and they've wasted sort of years of laughs <[>mm YEAH <{><[>all that study no but it's all that study eh <[>well not wasted but yeah so <{1><[1>um it's just a matter of people knowing <{2><[2>what sort of things <[1>mm <[2><.>wh what are you doing apart from <&>11:00 the er languages linguistics um oh russian and french oh yeah so that's all pretty different yeah yeah i probably should have been a printer <{><[>laughs i'd be heading for a better laughs yeah word <[>laughs well what <{><[>will <[>anyway what er what would margaret think about selling silk we've got <{1><[1>plenty of um silk <{2><[2>um well all i am is a humble er shop manager i don't that's <.>not <,> i mean you can't really go very far unless i start doing adminiSTRAtion side of things and i don't enjoy doing the administration side i just <{3><[3>enjoy you know the talking <[1>is there a future in that <[2>word <[3>do you actually like working with the people yeah i prefer that i and i've told you know er the boss that it's it's you don't want to get caught up in the office <{><[>work upstairs or something <[>it's better economic sense for me to deal with the people than than be stuck out the back cos you <{><[>know um i mean i can do administration work <.>a any old time but but er there's only one opportunity to to grab the customer <[>mm <&>12:00 yeah <,> <{><[>that's true and if you could word <[>um there's not much further you can go i mean i can head towards you know maybe um mister maron's er <,> job or something and take over the company laughs or something like that but you know i don't want to do that too much of a headache it's too much stress i have enough stress just looking after two girls <,> yeah and i don't really look after them there's only one that i have to chase around the other one's got got her own own um initiative and decides this needs to be done and DOES it you know she doesn't have to be told to do anything um compared to the <{><[>other one <[>it's hard as well i mean in a shop situation i think if someone really isn't going to you can only chase after them for so for so long <{><[>really <[>well you just get sick of it it's just creates tension yeah <{><[>really brasses me off <[>exactly <&>13:00 <.>s laughs i think that's sort of what i learned in the bakery was to look to look for the work to find the work cos there's always lots to do and sometimes in a shop i think it can be hard there aren't customers you can only go and fuss over everything so many times an hour that's right er <,> yeah <,,> you never know what sort of um places have they got in wainui sort of shops yeah well they just seem to have the usual <{><[>er shopping <[>we've got a whole empty mall laughs <{1><[1>laughs <{2><[2>laughs <[1>facilities <[2>have have they actually got a <.>ma a <{><[>modern shopping mall <[>but it's empty it's a mall not a morgue it's a mall <{><[>shopping mall <[>coughs it looks like a morgue though inside <{><[>no shops in it maybe two? <[>yeah i suppose it does and some of the people in it are walking <,> dead i suppose <{1><[1>there's a mcdonald's <{2><[2>it's disgusting <[1>is that word <[2>yeah we've got a mcdonald's there <{1><[1>we've got a lotto outlet um we've also got er kentucky fried we've got a er <,> <&>14:00 tut community centre <,> we've got er <{2><[2>a health centre fire brigade <[1>and it's disgusting <[2>and you've got a <.>sh <,,> yeah tut yeah the community hear the rural <{><[>fire brigade is quite <[>and we've got a tavern we've got a a <{><[>a tavern <[>is that doing well i bet they must do yeah <{1><[1>they do quite well <{2><[2>yeah <[1>word <[2>exhales yeah <,> but <{><[>i guess <[>they're also wainui's the home of um the wainui er rugby league team they're they're very er club minded <{><[>those people we have a marae on one <.>s end of one side of er sort of beginning of wellington road a marae on one side and the er mormon church on the other side <[>yeah? laughs yeah i'm walking down the parade to um island bay cos i walked home on friday cos i thought well i'll look out and see if anyone nicked my car and left it on the road <{><[>just along there and um you walk past like they're all russian orthodox church and then presbyterian church and <&>15:00 <[>word all the different churches yeah but what is it in wainui are the shopkeepers are the people not spending money or are the rents too high <{><[>or <[>oh well i <.>w i would think it's a er combination of all those things as well as a downturn in the economy yeah a lot of unemployed people there tut um yeah and so that the retailers are the ones that are feeling the the the the pinch of the thing cos people are not spending their money the the only place where you see any money spent is in the supermarkets yeah cos you have to you've got to and <{1><[1>probably fish and chip shops get <{2><[2>a bit on friday night <[1>buy that <[2>yeah yeah we have fish and chips on thursday nights <,> payday <&>15:40