<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>4:49 but why are people trying to make it all <,> nice <.>and by <.>saying you know to not make a issue out of it by <.>s telling students not to reply to it <{><[>i can't understand that <[>yeah <&>5:00 yeah <.>y you look at <.>that that woman who got kicked out of nursing <{><[>down at polytech for being culturally insensitive and the big hooha that's being made about that <.>but <[>yeah did you <.>h <.>h read what her FATHER wrote about her no her own father said <,> that good she deserved to get kicked out because <.>that she went in with that attitude yeah oh I reckon it was more than just one <{1><[1>incident eh they wouldn't have done it on that that and i reckon it's also like um <,,> a case of not backing down because you know the college probably said oh you know you're <.>in you're in the shit now because you've done that odd thing in a marae and um <,> they're <.>probably you know she probably fought back and said NO why why why and they probably got their backs up and thought no stuff her we've <.>said we're gonna stick to what we've said now and we're <.>gonna we're <.>gonna if she wants to carry it further we'll KEEP <{2><[2>carrying it further but you see a lot of pakeha people like my <&>6:00 flatmate <.>he he sort <.>of HE sees it from HER point of view you know how <.>sh and he goes oh fair enough you know because even though they were on a marae they weren't in a marae situation it <.>was it was supposed to <.>be it was <.>their i think it was at their polytech marae when she said that and they were <.>suppo and <.>SHE HER argument is that they were in a tertiary institution where <.>tertiary <.>th the type <.>of <,> tut um learning that's supposed to go on there is you're supposed to question and what sort of tertiary institution is that if you can't question what's going on and i said yeah but still um she picked the wrong environment to do that <{3><[3><.>it's and the wrong situation <.>t <.>t um question an elder because you just can't DO that you know <.>i <.>i i mean it must have been a bit more <.>than <[1>once yeah <[2>yeah <[3>mm but you should have read the um responses to <&>7:00 THAT <.>in in the um evening post from nurses who said yeah she's right <.>why what HAS maori learning maori got to do with <{><[>my nursing <[>that's exactly what KEV said and i said look um i think <.>it's i <.>s i sort of looked at it like that and i thought you know yeah why do <.>they they don't need to know that much about maori because <.>they they're not like US we're teachers <{1><[1>it's a bit different but for nurses i <.>s i said to one of my friends who's training i said you know how come you have to do all that maori stuff and she said well I thought that at first but then she said um THEY were the um maori people were the first people of this land and <.>we they deserve as their right to um have the treaty honoured and for us to BE aware of their culture <{2><[2>you know like when people die in hospital <[1>mm <[2>YEAH i know <{><[>it's <.>j <[>and um just little things <{><[><.>a <[>you don't walk in and say look will you tell your family to stop crying too loud because yeah and um <.>tha you know what they were saying on <&>8:00 holmes one time um doctor ranginui walker was talking and saying that how a lot of old maori people <.>ge feel really nervous about giving urine samples because they KNOW they stick them in the fridge and it's like that's only where food goes <{><[>you know <[>yeah <{><[>yeah <[>you know and I didn't know that until i voc heard it on the t v but when i thought about it i thought fuck yeah because they <{><[><.>even they get really um they feel really strongly about um their head and all that and that would be just probably worse <.>having knowing that you've got your mimi in the bloody fridge <[>mm i know but also <.>they you know quite often when you go into the rooms they have their BOTTLE you know the men that go toilet in their bottle next to their water jug that they drink wow and <.>i i reckon it's not <.>j i mean it's not just maori culture either i mean yeah <.>it's it should be for everybody that sort of thing it's bloody health and then kev said um oh yeah but okay yeah i <&>9:00 agree with all this <.>people the first people of the land the treaty needs to be honoured and all this sort of stuff um you should be aware of maori culture what about pacific islands cos there's more pacific islanders <.>in in new zealand now then there probably is maori people and what are they doing to acknowledge THEM and i said yeah but um they have to come second you know because they <.>weren't they weren't here first <{><[>and <.>i i did agree <[><.>how you should have said to him how did they get here they didn't get here <.>through because of the maori they got here because of the treaty and it was the english the pakeha side that made immigrants allowed to come into new zealand yeah so they should be making provisions <{><[>for them <[>yeah <.>not yeah exactly <{><[><.>but <[>and i said yeah i do agree that it does <.>need like there's so many really ignorant nurses out there who you know OH all those bloody islanders oh they're <{1><[1>taking up too much room in the corridors oh there's no room in the day room for anybody else and all that sort of stuff but that's just the way they are they like to support <.>their <{2><[2>their family and there's nothing you can do about it you <&>10:00 CAN'T tell them to piss off <,> tut <.>but <[1>yeah <[2>yeah people don't understand that <,> being a bilingual country hasn't been recognised till recently so why are they talking multicultural first you know like a multicultural society <,,> yeah <,,> but oh you got to listen to him talk man he is just SO um <,> he stands up to gayle and leanne <,> good on him we approached leanne about singing guess what he said to her auntie lee i can already sing i'm a pretty good singer because we've been <.>singing yep good on him <.>is <.>is is <.>he it's good that it's coming from him too you know cos he's from the coast and that <{><[>eh he's from really strong <.>maori <[>yeah but what really pisses him off where he's got no backing it's like HE'S the shit stirrer in the class yeah i can just imagine that eh <&>11:00 <,> and he said and we've got one bitch in our class <.>who when they were talking about this letter who suddenly decides she's a fucking pakeha that's what he said WHAT after they were discussing the letter she stood up and said well i'm a pakeha and he looked at her and he said to her you were NOT a pakeha when you applied for the manaki tauira were you GOOD on him and he said you <.>either oh you look through your eyes and you either see black or grey WHAT DO YOU SEE WOMAN MAKE YOUR MIND UP yeah who was that who said <{><[>that <[>he didn't mention he said i won't mention any names but <,> this is what he said he said i'll tell you about my really screwed up class who don't even know why they're in the bilingual class yeah i reckon <.>they half of them don't <.>know <{><[>know what they're doing <[>and a lot of them are like sharon is finding themselves yeah <&>12:00 <,,> and um i mean having one sharon was enough but i can imagine having five <{><[><.>five <[>you know who i reckon is the girl that said she's a pakeha who the one that's on that social committee what's her name the one with the bobbed real <{1><[1>black dyed hair with the you know sort of alternative clothes <{2><[2>bet it was her <[1>yeah <[2>yeah what's her name though i don't know if it's gwen then it's NOT her oh it might be gwen there's this girl gwen <,> he talks about backs him up but isn't <.>there wasn't there that day um he reckons what really pissed him off was auntie lee said what about our whanau from hamoa <.>after when they were talking about it and he said we're not talking about hamoa they would never understand tut <{><[>um because <.>they they're all right they've got their language and culture alive <[>mm mm <.>and <.>and <.>she he reckoned you know he could tell auntie lee was really pissed off with him <&>13:00 i'm glad it's coming from him <,,> but i feel so sorry for him cos he's on his own <,,> and i said you know what's gonna happen you're gonna be branded the <.>racist er radical in the class mm the troublemaker <,,> and he said i don't care because I believe that this bilingual class is only here in name only i can't believe that there are no reo classes set aside mm for these <.>bilingual for the ones who don't have the reo and there ARE but they don't know how to run them like that one five one or whatever we did remember <.>that that auntie leanne's class one five one? tut not one five one one SIX one yeah no no no no not one six one <,> one TWO one yeah and the following up is one six one and it ISN'T a reo class yeah <.>she they don't know how to teach it <,> well i explained to him how we wanted to go to <&>14:00 kuratini in the first year <,> <.>our on our own to do it and he said well can't they see there's the need is there you people <.>wanted you showed them this is what we want and they still haven't put anything in place they're too lazy and they're too thick <.>to <,> i don't know what it is eh i reckon it's just that <.>they they feel threatened they're in their nice little cushy position and they don't want it being threatened by anybody else who might be able to do a better job than them cos they know they're not doing as good a job as they should be <,,><&>3 <{><[>i bet they <.>haven't i bet they haven't even got a conscience either <[>but he's right but he's right he is right he's saying what he's been telling people is that the bilingual class at teachers' training college is just a waste of time <.>it it does nothing he said for the kids out there that we have to teach being in the bilingual class doesn't help them there's <.>no i know <,> does he mean like all bilingual classes even kids in bilingual classes <&>15:00 no he means at teachers' training college <{><[>that there'll be no way we can put our good teachers to teach bilingual children if you go into that <[>mm oh SHIT no mm i said to my associate last night at the pub <,> um <,> was it last night yeah i said <,> it really frustrates me seeing <,> you know like i was in the bilingual class in my first year you know cos she was she we were just having a chat and um she said have you got a piece of maori in you are you part maori and i said yeah my dad's just under half and um <,> she said oh yeah you know there was a few teachers that were wondering about that some of the parents and stuff and <,> and i said yeah i was in the bilingual class in my first year and i said it wasn't actually that i wanted to leave the bilingual class to go to main stream in my second year it was because i wanted to take <.>a an advanced maori paper at <,> the varsity because i wanted to you know <&>16:00 nurture my language i couldn't be in the bilingual class <{><[>because the time table didn't fit around it and i said oh it was just a label anyway it was a waste of time being in that class and i said it <.>real it's really frustrating seeing slack maori lecturers that um they're not doing justice to their own people <[>yeah yeah <{><[>word <[>they're letting them down and and they're putting up this big front to the rest of the college saying oh we're going to provide this super lecturer that can teach science and <{><[>maths and and and everything in te reo and it's BULLSHIT <&>16:36 <[>maths yeah