<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side two <&>2:10 oh i suppose that it's a real nostalgia trip i suppose now that people who were <,> in their teens in the sixties and that they're now in <.>th in their forties and approaching fifty <.>f god forbid tut but um but all the marketing seems to be geared towards that <.>s sort of group too i suppose they're the ones with the money to spend <{><[>and whatever <[>yeah but people do like nostalgia too you get <{1><[1>things coming back like the nobody's heard anything from them for twenty years and here they are <{2><[2>again and all these <{3><[3>oldies are going off <{4><[4>to the concerts <[1>yeah <[2>yeah <[3><.>but <[4>it's also it's the remakes of the songs too i <.>he hear a lot of sort of sixties tunes now coming back and there's i don't <.>kno <.>i i think bob said it was um that have done <.>s <{><[>some old ones <[> you're thinking <{><[>of <[>is it <{><[>oh right <[>yes isn't it awful yeah what is it was it um <{2><[2>with you that what you're thinking <{3><[3>of? <[1><.>w <.>groo <[2>oh <[3>no was it <{><[>or something <[>oh that was that was um that was a couple of <{><[>years ago and that was awful too <[>oh no it was <.>an oh no it was another one again cos on the radio today while we were painting and i heard it and <.>i and i though oh god has someone <.>ridg recorded that <.>no oh and someone's done <{><[>some australian guy oh <.>i it's not nearly as good as the original either <[>don't know that no it's always <{><[>the case <[>voc yeah <{><[>voc <[>i hate remakes generally unless it's the first song i hear if if i hear it the remake first then when i hear the original i'm usually disappointed <,> but um <{><[>i don't like remakes of something i already know <[>what do you mean you think you get <.>w <.>you you get used to hearing <{><[>it one way <[>yeah i get i get an impression of the way it should be and <{1><[1>if it's different i don't like it that's why <{2><[2>i don't like concerts and things like that too <{3><[3>i've always heard the studio recording <[1>yeah <[2>i don't <.>kn <[3>i don't know this walk of version of was um he he drifts on his notes and instead of making one <&>4:00 note pure he sort of drops <,> down <{1><[1>on on the note and it it it sounds terrible but tut yeah oh <.>th there's some been some good stuff released recently though i heard another um tut track from <.>wh voc which i thought was really good <.>i at least <{2><[2>i assume it's them <[1>aha <[2>think they've done a really slow one now is <{><[>that what you're thinking of <[>yeah yeah i think <.>th yeah <.>i you see the trouble is with the radio they don't TELL you what you're listening to any <{><[>more laughs <[>well if you tune <.>in you tune into something and you and you hear a song that you like and you're halfway through it and you think oh this good and you get to the end they <.>tol they actually tell you at the beginning and then yeah well that's right and if it's something you don't like they tell you at the end cos you have to listen through to it to find out <{><[>why it's so bad <[>so <.>i half the time i don't know what i'm actually listening to and i take these wild guesses and i think oh that's sounds like you know such and such and and quite often i'm right and quite often i'm wrong <{><[>but <[>yeah oh i do that sometimes <{1><[1>like the the other day i heard a song which i figured was even though i thought he must have packed up and gone off somewhere cos he hasn't <{2><[2>released an album for four years but he he's got a new thing out and it's pretty awful <[1>oh <[2>mm yeah <{><[>i didn't think <[>which is disappointing yeah i didn't think much of that because i actually think <&>5:00 he's a quite a good entertainer but i like the new one what is it it's <{1><[1>word or <{2><[2>something like that something kind of really good yeah <[1>yes <[2>yes <.>i i listened to that and i thought hey this is really good it sounds like his voice <{><[>but it's a bit more lively than the sort of stuff he normally does <[>yeah yeah <,> no i'm quite pleased with that one yeah mm sniffs and some of the other <.>thing that that um what is it um tut summer breeze is something that i get really sick of cos everybody who's anybody seems to have done a remake of THAT one <{><[>and <.>the they're never as GOOD <[>inhales voc yeah and was the best version anyway <{><[>at least i think <[>i didn't realise how much they'd done and i'd start hearing that sort of thing on the radio <{><[>and and realise it's them <,,> that was it seemed to be a bit before their time too because they were quite tuneful and and er harmonic i suppose you'd say <[>mm mm yeah well i mean even the new zealand bands have got round to remaking new zealand songs like that what do they call themselves the or something <{><[>they're into inhales <.>re into remakes in quite a big way <[>yeah well their their <.>f biggest hit was <.>a was that um nature thing and nobody's really heard <&>6:00 anything from them since then a couple of <{><[>things but they haven't <[>oh yeah what's that one about <{><[>or something isn't that them <[>yeah yeah that one yeah that was quite good <{1><[1>they have some strange words but new zealand bands tend to be a bit <,> weird with some of their music a bit pretentious i think inhales sometimes <,> and a <.>l a lot of the um sort of subculture stuff is not very <,> um big on on the on like the commercial styles of what is what is um <{2><[2>popular and it's very guitar oriented and drums and <[1>mm <[2>you know it's funny that because <.>i i mean new zealanders aren't really pretentious as a whole and i mean in their movies and that sort of thing they're not so it's i wonder why they would be in the music it is funny yeah well maybe they think they've GOT to to compete internationally and yet the stuff that's done well things like crowded house and um yeah <{><[>well that's all the SALEable stuff isn't it <[> and stuff yeah but i wouldn't call it pretentious at all no <.>th that's the commercial sort of stuff and it's quite different but those are the things that are successful but we seem to be churning out a whole lot of stuff the sort of things that you used to hear on something like <,> tut um and it's not really <&>7:00 sort of <{><[>more radical <[>it's yeah it yeah well <.>there there's this um thing which have sort of like a whole lot of um guitars going in different directions and playing whatever notes they feel like at <.>the at the <{1><[1>time some drums in there and someone <.>w wailing in the <{2><[2>background <[1>oh god <[2>voc yeah i mean to me that's not music but <{><[>exhales oh inhales <[>oh i'm sure they're really better than that but i have a biased opinion <{><[>cos i don't like them laughs <[>yeah true <,,> mm <,> <{1><[1><,> but it there's always some good music around it doesn't seem to matter what year it is there's music you like the probably the bulk of it i DON'T like these days but there's the odd thing i find and i think oh yeah hey that's really good <,> <{2><[2>yeah <[1>sniffs <[2>i'm always finding my my tastes are behind the times i mean i like the sort of stuff anything through the seventies and eighties and some SOME of the sixties stuff but not not the stuff which was harking back to rock and roll cos i found that was kind of <,> immature but um SOME things from the sixties like that i quite like yeah <{><[>i think <.>m my taste's probably wider than yours <[>and and some things from the early <&>8:00 eighties <,> yeah probably cos i like quite some quite heavy rock too but well i was never really around for for things like which i know you like but that's <{><[>not <[>but do you think that makes a difference as to whether you like <{><[>it or not <[>well not really i wasn't around for either but um i think some of the that that sort of music from the seventies or or even earlier was stuff that it was reflecting the atmosphere and the attitudes of the times and that sort of thing and it's kind of dated <,> and <.>i i don't find i relate to it i don't know i mean <{1><[1>i like stuff like and i mean a lot of their stuff is real protest <.>s stuff it could have come <{2><[2>RIGHT out of the sixties almost in in in the fact that it's so protest oriented and yet i think it's GREAT music i really <{3><[3>like it <[1>SOME things like i mean i like um <[2>well most of it yeah <[3>no i really like but <{1><[1>it's it's not i mean i like something with a bit of depth to it which is good because they have some intelligent lyrics and so on but they've also got quite strong tunes generally and i like that <{2><[2>too it's not all <,> you know not not that they're so much like the sixties simply because it's about protest <{3><[3>but i mean i like them because of their <[1>mm <[2>yeah <[3>well i'm still <&>9:00 trying to work out what they're singing about i mean <{><[>there's a <[>oh sometimes laughs laughs i i've i've worked out what about but i can't work the other one out about <.>s um something about the the royal family and the monarchy you know the oh well that was about the um the australian republic debate yeah but i couldn't work out the words to it it <{><[><.>s sort of eludes <[>oh well it's a bit manic i suppose yeah i'd actually quite like to see what you know the words written down because i'm <.>sh quite sure it would make the song a bit more meaningful <.>but and yet i like it i sing along to it and put my own words to it <{><[>as much as possible but i really like i think they're a very good band sniffs and <,> i don't know the exhales times change i suppose but music's something that brings people together and i guess everybody's got their own style of <.>wheth you know what they like <,> but <[>laughs yeah i think my tastes are widening because i <{1><[1>like some classical music <.>i'm i'm not very big on it and i tend not to like things <&>10:00 like violins but um i've got into <{2><[2>some harpsichord sort of stuff and and <{3><[3>that sort of thing i i quite like that <[1>yeah <[2>mm <[3>yeah i'm not i'm not big into jazz <.>i voc <{1><[1>i like sax but i'm not really big into jazz <,> <{2><[2>um <[1>i don't like jazz at all <[2>no i've never liked jazz or i don't like things which are <{><[>very free <[>but i think <{><[>exhales <[>for me i like everything to be <.>p um perfectly timed and everything <{><[>to have its place <[>mm i <.>r i really don't like the country and western <,> stuff i think probably because the subject matter's so BORING it's sort of <{><[>all about <[>well <.>it's it's very bland isn't it well it's <.>al it's always about people with broken hearts and i mean you know and you <{1><[1>left me when i needed you most or something like that you know and there's there's not a lot of anything else into it <{2><[2>inhales <&>sighs <[1>yeah <[2>well i <.>s i suppose it's it's still quite big in <.>th in the american south and i think it reflects some of the attitudes there which i don't like at all some of the yeah it's not so much racist but a lot of it's kind of um women's place and and about <{1><[1>what romance is supposed to be like and that sort of thing and they're a bit <.>date well <{2><[2>VERY dated <[1>oh yeah <[2>why <.>d yeah why do you think was such <&>11:00 a big hit i mean the women really went for that <{><[>so that's <[>yeah but i mean EVERYbody liked it yeah <{><[>it is but but i would say it <[>i don't know how many people really understood quite what they were saying but i would say it's probably the anthem song for for the women's liberation movement you know it's <,> and and the <.>h old one i mean they're yeah voc very very definitely songs that bring women out of the traditional roles and and sort of into a more <,> i i suppose in men's MINDS too just by the fact that they're listening to the songs you know that they start to realise hey there's more to life than you know pregnant barefoot and in the kitchen tut mm it's interesting to see how many people though would would have um heard things like that and and reacted in a bad way to it and sort of felt that they wouldn't like that artist any more i don't know how <,> how <{><[>much that would happen word inhales <[>probably not cos i think the sort of people who would react like that probably wouldn't have listened to anyway er maybe <{><[>not <[>no but <,> i mean the is different <&>12:00 again though i think that you probably got a lot to <.>d say that the popularity of the singer has a lot to do with it yeah er a very popular singer can sing about something controversial and make certain people think yeah whereas if it was coming from someone unpopular they'd just write the whole thing off so i guess you know in in that way you can almost say that you musicians can be political they can <.>cert there's a huge cult following so they've sort of got a lot of responsibility in a way yeah you <{><[>know that <[>and so it's a pity when they have that sort of responsibility and they use it <{><[><.>t to write about um i don't know popcorn love or something <[>yeah or <.>s <{1><[1>what's that or something you know was that who was that or something and <{2><[2> <[1>and um broken hearts <[2>yeah but i mean that's always there's those same sort of questions like that um movie about the serial killer thing is whether it's got some artistic value or not whether it's aesthetic i mean somebody's going to listen to it and they might be able to glean some <{1><[1>idea about real life or something from it you never know i mean i wouldn't listen to it but that's because i hate <{2><[2>rap <[1>oh don't know <&>13:00 <[2>i think i think some of it is subversive and can plant <,> sort of very antisocial ideas in into people's heads i mean the ideas are probably already there but they just <,> support those ideas and the fact that it's coming from from some big rock hero i don't think it's a good idea really i think they probably should be trying to give some more positive messages <.>tha i think that's what i like about the fact that their <.>m their messages are sort of so pro environment and pro green <,> that type of thing that that's <.>w <{><[>that's one of the reasons that i like them <[>yeah but again that that's because they <.>ag they they agree with your ideas <{1><[1>again you might find that that that this sort of rap is attracting people who do <.>h already <{2><[2>have that sort of idea and <.>i and it's because they can relate <{3><[3>to it <[1>yeah all right <&>sighs yeah <[2>yeah i mean <[3>but i mean rap <.>m <&>sighs is just so BORING <,,> you <{><[>know i can't inhales yeah <[>well it all depends what you do with it i suppose i suppose it it maybe it does appeal to people with limited intellect because it is so <{><[>basic and simple but <&>14:00 <[>oh it's not ALWAYS a matter of limited intellect either <{1><[1>i mean you can have perfectly rational people who have <{2><[2>um <[1>well <[2>a love for rap oh well <{><[>yeah fair <.>e yeah <[>oh it's it's it's not incongruous it just voc i mean i've got no problem i can see <.>wh well not not so much that i can see why people like rap but i can i can certainly er respect <{1><[1>people who are for their <.>intellig and and wouldn't <{2><[2>belittle them because they like it <[1>it's not just <[2>it's not just rap though there's another thing around at the moment that they're singing about now what is it the <{><[>or something i mean <[>oh that's awful i <{><[>mean word i i don't like that in fact i mean <[>yeah it's got it's that's about the whole words to the song and you think oh <{><[>yeah <[>well that was that was the um theme tune <{1><[1>to one of those cops' programmes on t v which <{2><[2>there seem to be a <.>h horrible voc like a plethora of them coming out recently too people like all this real life drama things <{3><[3>think it makes them feel excited to to think wow it could happen <{4><[4>to me and what would <{5><[5>i do i'm sure i'd do it much better than they did <,> <{6><[6>and so on <[1>yeah bob said there was a <[2>oh <[3>yeah <[4>tut <[5>mm <[6>yeah <,> living dangerously vicariously laughs yeah no not my cup of tea i don't think <,,><&>3 just exhales <,,> i don't know <&>15:00 <&>end of extract