<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>4:12 my memories are vivid you know so vivid of of going going to merimeri of all the different people er that i came in contact my memories of them are still very vivid in my mind like especially that old fella kelly ne oh yeah the koroua ne when that fella died we were there yeah <{><[>yeah <[>yeah in the house <{1><[1>and i can remember him making a noise at night going into all the rooms and and giving everybody a kiss <{2><[2>and he came into our room <[1>yeah <[2>yeah yeah and he did the same with us yeah we had the middle room next door to nan then yeah and then the next morning he was dead <.>h <{><[>they had him in a sheet <[>yeah yeah they had him in a sheet <{><[>yeah on the verandah <[>on on word well yeah yeah and they brought <&>pronounced bought him brought <&>pronounced bought him <{><[>inside after a while at night <[>was yeah yeah yeah they brought <&>pronounced bought him in late at night yeah <,> <{1><[1>on the front of the house <{2><[2>there out on the porch there <[1>voc <[2>yeah word i could you know i i from that from that day to <&>5:00 this day i could feel something about that old fella yeah you know <.>the <.>the there was something that he we never we never ever got but knew was there eh tawhiri <{1><[1>amokura eh tawhiri amokura kelly <{2><[2>he's a he was a great singer of the old moteatea you know <[1>oh yeah <[2>mm mm er hiko mai kiato tutu he'd sing that one er he'd sing er some of those old er pateres they used to call them that one of them was from tauranga but he was a <{1><[1>great er he was a little fella and he <{2><[2>hardly spoke in the english eh and then <{3><[3>he was he was as pakeha looking as anybody else <[1>yeah <[2>yeah <[3>word true that's that's <{1><[1>the most you know obvious characteristic of him that i can remember <{2><[2>ne he he had a very very fair skin <[1>he was the most pakeha looking fella yeah <[2>yeah yeah but er voc can you remember the you can actually remember him hear him singing <{><[>word yeah <[>i can hear him singing yeah <{><[>yeah <[>i could hear you know grandpa's er grandpa giving a couple of lines but he wasn't into <{><[>that sort of thing ne <[>no no no grandpa wasn't <{><[>really <[>no he he <{><[>word <[>that was that was a bloody hard case thing to do with grandpa eh he <.>even he never got <,> he took how many he took a long time getting back from the first world war mm mm <&>6:00 and he deliberately delayed his trip back and when he got back from <{><[>a year and a half later <[>mm mm nanny was really pissed off with him <,> she was <{1><[1>she had she never got over that because she was really yeah <{2><[2>she got hoha with him <[1>mm <[2>oh yeah yeah well he was a very handsome man eh you know he was er idolised by many many people because he was so big yeah <{><[>tall eh <[>yeah big yeah in stature he was powerful yeah he he was definitely a warrior as far as i was concerned i mean mm <,> oh yeah <{><[>he got cited eh <[>mm yeah <{><[>he had yeah <[>see the citations cos old um what's his name old er larry <{><[>hammond is er is er was here <.>c a couple of weeks ago in my office talking about grandpa and he'd just finished researching grandpa's citation <[>larry oh for his military medal he was er mentioned in dispatches in the first war and you know i i i i dream about the exploits of that fella and er you know i i i'm in awe of his enormous strength eh yeah because they they were taught by that old fella to live off the land then <&>7:00 yeah and i can remember him ploughing those bloody er er flats up there with the single furrow plough and the <{><[>rokaroka <[>yeah yeah yeah the <{><[>rokaroka yes yeah yeah <[>rokaroka and the disc they they had all they were all mechanical ne yeah they weren't motorised yeah er well i mean the same with the sleds and the buggy yeah and the they had <{><[>bits a bit of an engine up there in the cowshed there but er that was bugger worn out <[>yeah it was an <.>old remember one time when he took us down there there was a a cow got stuck in the swamp and he used a horse to pull the <{><[>cow out <,> yeah <[>word he was a he was a fearless person eh <{><[>you know and that <[>mm nanny nanny was er never talked a hell of a lot about er the um the extended family and the loving grandmother and grandfather and that grandpa wasn't he wasn't loving he was he he just sort of tolerated us i thought but nanny was <.>delif definitely bloody er she's not one you could warm to you know except that er she saw i think she saw me as er to be the <&>8:00 the the eldest of the family <{1><[1>she gave me all those yeah she had me as a pet and gave me all those encyclopedias <{2><[2>which we er which we er we tried to keep but but i mean we had no bloody toilet paper at makarika and <[1>she had pets <[2>mm laughs the last bloody page left out of ten encyclopedias was the the golden eagle or something <{1><[1>like that sniffs yeah but er i i would <{2><[2>say my my er thing er our sojourn in in merimeri and then on to makarika <,> they they er they remind me of er tut oh <,> i was writing a book one i'm starting to write this book on our lives and that and er i've got one section called the slave's dream <,,> <{3><[3>the slave's dream we were all free in ruatoria running around and suddenly we end up milking bloody cows <[1>laughs <[2>word yeah <[3>yes mm they treated like slaves and that and then there's that's us lying in the paddock one day there's like beside yon gathered rice he lay sickle in his hand his chest was bare his word buried in the sand well christ <&>9:00 yeah i felt like that and heaps of times out there it was all yeah it was all <,> <{1><[1>i wished bloody school could be in the weekends so we could go to school in the <{2><[2>weekends because the weekends were just the pits <[1>word <[2>yeah just the pits all right we were dog's body to er for everybody not only just dad <{><[>er but er him and his elder brothers as well <[>mm yeah voc that's the part that really hurts but er <,> you know i mean i've never never ever never gotten over that <,> that experience i mean milking seventy six cows at the age of eleven mm and barefoot <,> <{><[>word <[>was the bloody pits i think it was the bloody pits and er i can i can remember you and i making pacts when we were we were young very young eh yeah <.>a as soon as we can get out of here the quicker we can get out of this bloody place and make a name for us mm and we're bound to make names for us and and anyway we done did you ever see the <{><[>yeah did you ever see that er tahia tatua <[>mm yes how many times did you see it <&>10:00 oh couple of times i <.>w went into the area but with with great caution yeah cos we you know we were told to keep away from the place that it was <{1><[1>a tapu place and i <{2><[2>didn't believe it <[1>mm <[2>yeah yeah that that place there was a place of ritual ne yeah it was <{><[>a ritualistic place yeah <[>er ritualistic place and and we did go to it but i i i i didn't fear of those sort of things <{><[>er <[>word pohatu word ae no and well anything like that eh you know yeah er er i i respected them <,> you know we we we got that from the training and the learning and the experiences and in our own own urupa ne the first time that i went into our own urupa i could hear uncle ted saying <&>fifteen seconds in Maori not transcribed and er then <.>i voc and i was never ever afraid of er <&>11:00 urupa after that <{1><[1>or anything like that <{2><[2>word <[1>yeah <[2>word word ted i mean he was like that old ted he was mm he was er steeped in his tikanga eh mm marama ki nga tikanga a te maori yeah yeah knowledgeable in the tikanga of the maori ko te korero voc we we have to speak in english on this tape so that er there's a bit of maori but word pakeha ta korero <{><[>because these people don't know what it means er so how's the job going then <[>mm well <.>i it's er it's starting to get to the the voc the nitty gritty now and er the first book is tied up i'm i'm <,> i'm happy as it er you've seen the outline of it <&>name is is going to be a landmark just like <&>name as far as i'm concerned and and er the quicker we can get it into press i'm quite anxious to get it into <.>ken ken er thompson's hands actually i've sent him a a a preview on tape so that he can look at it on on on the er computer screen at his leisure <&>12:00 is he <{><[>is he is he returning your correspondence with any regularity is he keeping up with the times or do you get return correspondence from him <[>yeah so he's usually he's fairly er er um um tut uptodate it's just this last letter that i'm a little bit bloody er oh a little bit bloody heated about in that i asked him for an x amount of dollars to er go on that trip up home yeah to er voc you know finance that trip i i refuse to pay out of my own pocket again to go back and do work for the research the money is er the er you know the interest that accrues has author's rights from the selling of every of <.>ea each individual book is is my right to spend on the research and we agreed to that ne <,> in those contracts yeah and um and he hasn't answered my letter in the last six days and i'm i'm a little bit irate about it he must have his <&>13:00 reasons <,> but er <,> voc you know he controls the bulk of of the er the money he's <.>con concerned with the er publishing of the book that little ten percent is bugger all but i i reserve the right to <,> um <,> that's the big fights that i've had with him in the past to reserve the right to control that amount of money as we see fit yeah but otherwise yes to answer your question yeah he has <.>been he's very regular and thorough prompt eh yeah prompt yeah and how's the family at the moment peter and materoa and <,> materoa's not going to school materoa yeah she's got a <{1><[1>mm oh she's <.>g yeah er <{2><[2>or <[1>what's the <.>s what's wrong with her is she a bit like miranda <[2>they get sick of bloody school <{><[>and <[>they get sick of power beating er you know they they drive them and drive them until they just drive them right out the door and materoa's not thick she's not dumb she her her grades have shown that she's er you know in the top twenty five percent of the school as as <&>14:00 far as her grades is concerned in all her subjects with the exception of maths she's proven that from <&>school A girls' down to er <&>school B er high school <&>school B high school <.>f er you know er that's in dunedin madison what jen madison couldn't you know sing her praises loud enough yeah and you know she's one of our top she was she's now <{><[>retired <[>but what's happened i mean she went <.>to she started off at er <{><[><&>school C over here <[><&>school A <.>g no <.>n <{><[>exhales <[>timata maehe she <{><[>that's right she started at <&>school C <[>voc yeah well been to an all girls school eh third form <&>school A you see yeah fourth form <&>school B high girls' yeah all <{><[>girls <[>yeah the fourth and fifth she did her school cert at <&>school A high well you know she was in the top twenty five percent of the <.>sch <{><[><.>o of the school <[>yeah yeah tae mai ki <&>school C nei they banged it out of her straight away she went from six subjects to less than four in two months at <&>school C the inhales the voc er what she couldn't handle at <&>school C is that they don't allow them that little bit of er er er latitude with respect to <&>15:00 their subjects the top twenty five percent at <&>school C get into that top twenty five percent because they've got sixty percent in six subjects or more yeah <{><[>yeah <[>and she missed out by twenty she only got forty five in maths yeah and they said she wouldn't make it so she didn't get into the top stream and she she struggled in the in the next next grade of six form up right so i says what's your <{><[>problem is it <[>lack of motivation eh yeah yeah lack of motivation <{><[>you see <[>obviously being yeah that's the way the school is banded they still stream <.>b er though although they don't say so in <&>school C they stream them <{><[>through that through that formula <[>mm mm six subject students sixty percent minimum pass <,> to get you in entry <.>to to to the top stream right that's streaming yeah <&>15:44