<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>0:47 now our guest speaker today is er hattie ainsley and she was born in feilding but her parents came about <.>eight no <{><[><.>eighteen nineteen hundred <[>nineteen hundred yes so um <,> without much more ado we'll let you <&>1:00 start oh that's very naive of word this is quite a thing for me i'm never <.>s spoken out like this <&>group members comment but <{><[>i thought you just might <.>be <,> <.>ni might be interested my parents came from auckland in nineteen hundred my father got out of work in AUCKLAND <,> he was in <.>a <.>a <.>wa he was a warehouseman in <.>the the nineteen hundred SLUMP he lost his job he was a married man with three children anyway he <.>t decided he thought he'd like to go over to SYDNEY to see if there was anything <.>o work over there and <.>i <.>i i think they were running special <,> economy trips for five pound return so he went to sydney for five pound return i don't know how long he stayed there not very LONG i don't think so he came <&>2:00 back when there was no work there <,> so then actually i'm not quite sure how he got in touch with mister cobbe it was probably mister cobbe had been up <.>at doing business at the warehouse anyway mister cobbe heard of him and offered him a job at the <.>e as buyer in the manchester department in cobbe's in nineteen hundred <,,> and would you like to know how much his wages were <[>word a few people in front word yes yes two pound ten a week? a week <{><[><,> two pound we got a NEW we got a new er house <.>that in beattie street it <.>was new house built for letting and that was ten shillings a week and that was supposed to be the correct payment a fifth of your wages you paid in rent <,> and he had three children <,,> and <&>3:00 two more to follow my <.>b brother and myself so eventually he had five children and i don't i don't think he got a lot more pay even <.>to till the end not REALLY a little bit but er i think that's rather a <.>dr oh and then oh on the way down of course i suppose you would realise there was no main trunk they had to come by boat <,> to new plymouth from onehunga to new plymouth by boat and then by train to feilding and all the furniture was packed in wooden cases great big you know <.>all <.>all they brought all their furniture an organ and all <.>the sideboard no a chiffonnier i think but <.>a small ones were chiffonnier in big <,> was called sideboards yes now and they there were a lot of big sideboards eventually in the big rooms weren't there people <.>a we got a <.>big a SIDEBOARD when we shifted into our bigger house but er <[>two pound <.>did did you still rent or did you buy <&>4:00 <.>n no we built the house you built a house in welsley street er <{><[><.>aft <[>on two pound ten a week yes of saving er <&>group laughs a little and comment yes oh well <.>i no well i think that mother's father left <.>her er left her something so that <,> was a good deposit on but they paid off the <.>h they had to pay off the house the house would only have been about five hundred pound in um oh no i think ours was about SEVEN hundred mm but it <{><[>wasn't like in the thousands <[>yes it was a seven roomed house the big house <.>where <.>be of course they needed it for five children yes and a big grounds it's up <.>i it's up in welsley street where the <,> <{><[>word <[>is it still there oh yes this is where er mister whatsaname lived in <.>the my old home mister <,> whatsaname well the secretary or treasurer or the head of <.>the patrick <,> <{><[>hanson <[>patrick patrick <.>s hanson oh yes that's <.>where that's where we lived now <&>5:00 going back to cobbe's <{1><[1>oh sorry and of course the cobbes lived just up the road there <,> that's it their entrance was from west street and along the front opposite us was all their property of it was just a paddock and trees along <.>the along the edge er of er <,> <.>a had it fenced off so the trees were separate and of course <.>they they had great things <.>up they had animals and <,> had a donkey and they had <{2><[2>pets <[1>sorry dear <[2>er <.>i was trying <.>to i had to ring miss mcmahon <{><[>today she remembers the donkey <[>oh <,> yes yes but she couldn't come she had nellie's family yes er the donkey voc the donkey the donkey used <.>to heehaw heehaw wake us up in the morning <.>th the word across laughs and i'll tell you another little side line about the donkey because in those days there were no motor cars as early as that there was only horses and gigs and one of mother's friends <&>6:00 came to visit her the mother and <.>daughter the daughter drove the gig and the mother came with her and they tethered <.>g <.>again a fence <.>acro <.>the on the fence across the road from our place there was no other houses further on and the nice green grass on the side of the road any rate the donkey apparently came along amongst the trees and went heehaw heehaw although lady had taken <.>a <.>the fortunately <.>the er done er the gig er the was <.>sor voc so there was only the horse the horse got such a fright broke <.>the everything and disappeared down the street laughter laughs i don't know <.>who who er went and looked er FOUND it but i think they found it eventually and brought it back and they tethered it up <.>an er put it all together and mum and daughter went home to duke street oh i'll tell you by the way it'll <.>be it was missus gordon and MISS gordon do you remember them <,> with the word <&>agreement from group word died recently recently didn't she <&>7:00 oh fairly recently yes i <.>went <.>i i went to word hurst i <.>w went to get the vote <.>book the VOTE <&>murmurs from group the special votes she was marvellous she was well in the nineties then oh <{><[>yes <[>and she used to tell <.>the wanted to know my name so i said it was shelby and i lived in word yes but she said who were you before and i said goodwin oh she said i remember the day you were born and i had three boys and then you were born that was miss gordon was her mother <&>group say yes yes yes they lived for years in <,> duke street mm yes <.>that she was living there then when i went to get the <{><[>photographs mm <[>oh yes yes she had been to a few word but that was that now where do we go from there <.>w oh i was going to back to cobbe's laughs sniffs cobbe's shop now you'll <.>be oh well i hope <.>f you can tell me when when <.>the they opened cobbe's and darragh's together <&>7:50 <&>group discusses opening date and stories about the owner of darragh's <&>11:23 oh it's <.>d i'll just go back to the shop for a little bit voc <.>a and <.>t <.>t <.>i <.>i well don't know whether you all realise all the different DEPARTMENTS they had they had <.>a a boot department ladies' and <{1><[1>men's shoes <&>group agress yes they did yes and <.>th they had a tailoring department was dressmaking remember miss MEIKLE <{2><[2>those two and the <[1>i do <[2>word miss <{><[>meadows <[>meadows yes and millenary a couple of girls up in the millenary and then <,,> then oh <.>in in nineteen hundred of course they <.>s started up <&>12:00 the mail order house that <.>i they had a lot <.>of did a lot of business <.>th <,> through the mail people wrote <.>i sent in orders and they would post them out they had <.>all several in the mail order department there was well <.>over between thirty and forty working there in those days <&>12:17 <&>group discuss the cash carrying system used in the department store <&>12:28 my father came <{><[>word can you remember when that was word <[>back when my father came home and <.>i i was offered just offered like that would you like a job oh i said oh yes what is it oh in the cash desk in cobbe's oh i suppose that's all right i think that was marvellous yes word oh i was there for <,> one er a whole year er pulling <.>that laughs and then one of the girls in the office left and so i was promoted to the office <,> i was quite pleased to get out of that i <&>13:00 wasn't over keen on sitting <{><[>up in that little box <[>word there's still one of those things going somewhere but i can't remember what <{><[>word <[>oh somewhere in the south island i think it is <{><[>yes <[>and there was in hamilton was there hamilton <{><[>but <.>no <[>but cobbe's was one of THE shops <{><[>of the manawatu <[>oh oh <{><[>yes <[>voc um <.>i i thought you might <.>be mention the fact that there was a shop walker oh yes mister <{><[>trimble jack trimble was <.>the word <[>that <,> mister trimble was the shop walker all dressed up in a cobbe coat oh yes and oh he was lovely <{1><[1>and he'd come along and <{2><[2>er give <.>the the old ladies a chair to sit by the <{3><[3>counter <.>and <[1>word <[2>oh that was word <[3>mm <[3>word chairs word yes chairs to sit on and <{><[>word <[>i can remember him getting a chair right when word yes <{><[>word <[>it's a pity there's not a <.>f few more chairs in shops now days laughs <&>13:40 <&>group discuss the shop walker and his family <&>15:18 oh it's great when you think back on all the folk <{><[>laughs all the different families <[>mm do you know er what's happened to any of the staff out the back oh no most of them have passed oh most of them have passed on they would have by now yes yes <{><[>they would have <[>the descendants still about oh mister sanders er he was the manager for quite a long time later on mm they went up north didn't they they both both mister and missus sanders passed on many years ago they were up in <{><[>tauranga weren't they <[>mm and missus sherman oh and the <.>sher cos then mister <.>sher after the mail order department opened they had <.>a a <.>t country traveller mister sherman was the country traveller for years he used to go you know all around <.>the and was that some relation to the sherman that was the m p <&>16:00 yes yes his father his father yes yes mm yes well the shermans lived around <.>in in glasgow terrace i went to school with them knew all the shermans went to school with ailsa and dora <{><[>and nigel <[>and which school did you go to manchester street and then did you go here <{><[>to tech <[><.>na oh i went to the tech and then my mother wasn't well i left before the <.>ag half way through the year before the ag mm opened <{><[>so i didn't <.>a <.>did i came here <[>and <.>you you did your schooling more or less here came here we all came here mm you see my eldest brother was seven when he came from auckland and he had a <.>v vivid memory right through his life really but he remembered all about auckland and school he went to in auckland and then he went right through manchester street and here and then he got in the er well how big was manchester street that <{><[>school <[>oh manchester street was the <.>biggest a <&>17:00 big school then <.>it it has gone DOWN <{><[><.>l lytton street <[>about five or six hundred <,> children i think in the days when <{><[>you were there <[>oh yes yes it was at lytton street where i went it was about three hundred yes mm and <.>what what would this <,> how many would have come to the tech oh a lot <.>of lots came to the <.>t all the country er <{><[>you know <[>there only seemed to be a <{><[>word <[>it must have been bigger than this building is now oh it <.>h had the top storey oh oh it had four rooms upstairs <{><[>you see look at the picture <[>mm mm in <.>the at the earthquake <,> it damaged it and that's why they took the top storey off it was unsafe mm mm oh no all the country schools and local schools came here for um woodwork and COOKING yes you know <&>17:46 <&>group discuss carvings that are found in various local houses and then discuss old houses that have been moved and the families that lived in them <&>26:06 yes well of course feilding was <.>a a SQUARE when it <.>w was <,> north south east and west <.>s confined feilding and all <.>the on the other side of the streets were in counties and when we went up into welsley street we were in the oroua county we were there for a number of years before we were taken into the borough and the same er north street i'm sure and east street was farms farm land the other side of east street and <.>south well south street's still <.>not well i don't know it is in the borough yet but where the race course is that was always in a county it wasn't in the borough in the early days <{><[>yet it was so near to the centre of the town <[>word and you'd know why <.>y word you'd all know why er why feilding is built like this because after manchester the biddles <{><[>yes <[>mm that's why you can actually take a short cut in <{><[>word <[>oh that's terrible <{><[>word really <&>27:00 <[>a square within the square and <{1><[1>then along <{2><[2>word <[1>yes word <[2>a square and then it's in a square laughs yes in the early days the sections were BIG <.>y you know er nearly everybody <,> had at least an acre or sometimes two acres a side section or a back section and then quite a lot of folk did have their own they all had their cow and <.>th their chooks didn't they yes the word now that's what i want to ask you can you remember <.>th the um a and p show which used to be in <,> january wasn't <{1><[1>it but remember the early days when <.>the can <.>you anybody remember when <.>just soon after CARS came in they used to <.>go go to the SHOW and line up with small children and get a ride round in a big car around the circle <.>if i think it was a <{2><[2>penny a penny a ride it was a <{3><[3><.>real <[1>yes <[2>laughs <[3>a penny a ride there were about six or eight children a times i don't remember that <{><[>word might be <&>28:00 rusty laughs <&>group laughs <[>yes i do of course there was a merry go round <.>and oh it was LOVELY for the children <{><[>when you're at school <[>but <.>y <.>you you saw on these magic moment things the picture of the feilding race course and the old kiosk <&>group mm yes etc oh i remember that kiosk yes and then when they showed it on <.>the mm <{><[>word <[>there was a boat meant to go <.>o yes go over the water i would say to get <&>pronounced as gep onto the kiosk <&>pronounced as tiosk and have a cup of tea <{><[>with my mother voc <[>what would have happened to that kiosk i suppose they <,> threw it away <,> throw it away <&>28:29 <&>group discuss blacksmiths in feilding and palmerston north <&>30:43 no <.>the the SQUARE the actual square <&>group say yes yes oh yes we're in palmerston <.>th mm mm and i <.>was you'd think there'd be the way they did the er ornamental <.>squares well i think <{><[>they're <.>both <[>they're <.>both feilding would the word word i suppose keep the horses mm i mean people could tether <.>hor you know if <&>31:00 <.>they couldn't they tut word come to think of it it was grass there and they were short of grass <.>they laughs they wouldn't be past <{><[><.>giving <[>they were gardens too weren't they well there <.>weren't there weren't much gardens in the early days i can't remember <.>the much about the GARDENS in the square i can see those fences <.>all you know i can't remember the fences but knowing <.>that from this other hattie <.>in there in palmerston i thought well then they maybe were here yes there were picket fences around the squares here <,> in feilding? oh <.>y yes mm how high oh about this high i <{><[>word <[>yes mm i can see it in the morning there were a couple of <{><[>word <[>band rotunda yes oh yes well yes that was <.>a <{><[>word <[>well what building was between the a n z and <.>the and <.>that manchester <.>s i muddle those two <.>b <&>32:00 feilding hotel so hattie would know word <.>what <.>what what buildings were there or what was there no building between the a n z bank <{><[>i only <[>word oh i <.>i no there was nothing between the two banks you mean the a n z and the wales no i didn't <.>but don't know well <.>i well i asked that there was nothing there <{><[>it was just a word <[>no there's never been anything there <{><[><,> no <[>no <,> no i meant <.>the in the square <{><[>between the bank and the hotel <[>over over the other side of cobbe's oh <{><[>oh <[>it was hastie's no no <{1><[1>there was <,,> manchester that's the manchester <,,> no <{2><[2><.>or <[1>that was the old bank <[2>no <[2>no <.>the the feilding hotel going past where <.>taylor er taylor's <{1><[1><.>the and seddon's used to be <{2><[2>along there <[1>oh yes <[2>was it a big bank then there was no bank there though the a n z <.>w that was on the corner <{><[>yes <[>yes where the a n z one was the bank of <{><[>australasia <[>asia yes and it had two storeys and <&>33:00 the manager lived upstairs oh yes mm the manager lived behind the er wales one yeah oh yes it was <.>the yes <&>end of tape <&>33:08