<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>4:04 well yes but in the sense that my husband is a practising catholic and i'm not so i'm um interested in his religion mm and how would you describe your lifestyle and health at present i'd say my lifestyle is very affluent and um <,,><&>3 satisfactory don't know if that's the right answer i don't know if that's lifestyle um health i feel i'm overweight let's not talk about that but i think i know that i'm not allowed to worry about that er health's good um now i just want to move onto more like your educational opportunities more specifically so i've actually got quite specific questions right so um how much guidance and encouragement do you feel that you received to stay at school or <&>5:00 to seek further education by your parents and um the school itself i think i always um knew that i was gonna go to university which must have meant that it was expected at home otherwise <,> i'd remember differently er <,> but then again i always thought i was going to be a teacher too that was probably the limitation of the times <,> my sister didn't go to university though neither did my brother so i'm not quite sure of of all that but i i i'd <{><[>never ever been discouraged from it <[>were you the oldest were you the oldest child or middle middle right <{><[>um so i think whatever i'd actually been interested in with the limiting choices of perhaps nursing librarian or teaching which seemed to be all that was available i'd have been encouraged yeah <[>yeah and and can you sort of say that that was <&>6:00 what your thoughts about a career <.>w was was those word <{><[>word <[>we never thought of any others we never thought of lawyers or anything else that was basically if you were academic girl that's what you did um so how do you feel about um the opportunities that males and females had to gain um professional tertiary qualifications compared to like the past like your parents' generation do you think there was more opportunity <{><[>more word <[>you're talking about my generation not your generation your generation and <.>loo compared to your parents' generation i have a difficulty cos my mother actually had a degree too so it was an unusual <.>s situation because i know not many women <{1><[1>of her generation er had a degree so she seemed to have had similar opportunities to me though <.>d the depression years was when she was at varsity so she didn't actually i don't think <&>7:00 she went fulltime i think she must have done it through teachers college i'm not sure um i don't have any doubt that we had more opportunities than my mother's generation but that's possibly because i've read enough to know that rather than <{2><[2>from my word at the time <[1>mm <[2>mm yeah um could you sort of say in society in the community that you lived in who restricted the opportunities for females in particular for tertiary qualifications word oh often parents er <.>th there was certainly while i was at school very definite an expectation that a girl would get married and therefore didn't need to have a job that was much stronger than it is now i don't know if it exists now that you you basically had to get a a husband that'd support you so the restrictions were put on you <,> and i don't actually think me personally because of of the background i came from but the restrictions were there from the parents from society in general and and from what jobs women were in so <&>8:00 because women were traditionally teachers that was okay but women weren't doctors they weren't lawyers they weren't in any of the other professions right so in retrospect you DO consider that that um you were raised to also become a mother and a wife it was i don't know er i wouldn't think to say that i was in my family i'm just talking about mm how i perceived things um no i don't think i was raised to become a mother or a wife <,> though my father was always on about it word he goes on with with my children always asking if they've got a man yet so i guess <.>th that's part of his expectations yes mm voc um <,> can you just sort of tell me about the different jobs that you've had um in employment fulltime and sort of parttime chronologically would be <{><[>nice but laughs <[>word okay the first job i had was um in the local shop and <,> <.>i in my day it wasn't actually common for the for the kids to work after school and do all the parttime work they do now but i worked <.>betw from when school finished through christmas holidays and that was actually quite common a lot of kids got jobs in the shops for that <,> then when i left to go to university my first job was down in the south island picking strawberries on a dairy farm in nelson <,> um which we went down on train and hitchhiked back and i think that was much easier to do than it is now er because word um second job was in the telephone exchange which was a manual exchange in te awamutu um <,> third job was working in the tip top factory in auckland and then i left there and worked in a coffee bar in auckland <,> these are all <&>9:00 christmas holidays but they're three months jobs mm next job next two years was jobs that i actually found the most interesting was working in the psychiatric hospital out at tokanui which is was near where my parents lived in the first year i lived in the place and um really found it <{><[>fascinating <[>you mean this is fulltime job word fulltime but still mm in the holidays oh right yeah talking about three months mhm and i went back there the following year um because i enjoyed it so much and then i went to teachers college bearing in mind that all the time i was at university i was paid a studentship which was a very very good living allowance because it was a bit like um i suppose an apprenticeship system you got paid and for every year that you got paid to go to university you had to teach so a lot of people went teaching because of that and we were always the rich students in fact i bought a car at the end of that because of with my money <&>10:00 from the psychiatric hospital i had enough money to do that THEN unfortunately it was teaching and then oh um fulltime here for <.>th in new zealand for three years do you want me to go into all this detail now yeah then overseas in australia for about nine months and in britain for a few months then i had children we went to kenya and there i did a lot of parttime teaching either teaching at home teaching at kindergarten er teaching in a convent <,> and then to new zealand where i taught at a place my husband was working at called tokaroa which voc then was an isolated new zealand rural settlement and then i have been teaching in a secondary school for fourteen years it's my job description wow laughs very comprehensive um tut after <&>11:00 you married did you um stay in paid fulltime paid employment yes and after your children were born um past did you go straight back to work at all <{><[>or <[>no no i stopped work before my eldest was born and then when she was one we went to live in kenya where there was quite a lot of um servant assistance and i had my second child there and there it was where i did a bit of parttime work it was basically based at home a couple of hours a morning things like that i didn't go back to fulltime employment until my youngest child was well she was just off turning five and she came to school with me right how <.>d how do you think family and friends and society sort of regarded you like in parttime <.>wo quite a lot of parttime work <&>12:00 over those years then no problems at all yeah i <.>th i think because my mother had always worked i think that had a very strong influence on the way i saw life i'd always had two working parents um and my friends tended to work it was never considered anything but what you should do that's lucky um can you tell me about um other sort of work like voluntary work or housework mothering what sort of since i have i'll go <.>b i'll just talk about the fourteen years since i've <{><[>been a full time worker um i've always actually had paid assistant to come in and help with the housework er that's not your question is it really <,> oh housework right so er so i <.>s i feel as though i've been very lucky on that i haven't actually spent too many hours of my <&>13:00 life doing housework um <,> voluntary work i've got to think this one out oh when the kids were little i was always on the p t a and i was on the music um committee that ran the local music school and associated things with that and on the school committee at one stage i'd forgotten all that which is what you're probably talking about <[>yeah yeah yeah um what else was there i'm not quite sure enough of you're going to have to lead me a little bit more on the questions johanna um well through your years at um up at the school now you must do a lot of <{><[><,> um sport with sports teams or can you tell us about that <[>i do a lot of work with our <.>s oh okay i always was involved in coaching of of teams organising the teams um <,> at the moment which is almost an extension of my job i tend to be involved in sport activities mm <&>14:00 but i sort of see that as <,> i guess in a way it's it's voluntary <.>w well it IS voluntary it's NOT un not paid definitely mm but it's a part that i feel i should do as a senior teacher at school right what about at <.>s when you were at varsity were there any political groups or <{><[>word <[>er politics yes okay that's taken up quite a bit of my time um <,> i was out of the country when the early seventies feminism was on er movement was on came back and was fairly active in feminist teachers for a while and also was very active in the a <.>m member of hart and active in the anti springboks movement um <,> and also have been off and on very off at the moment very active in labour party politics in in in papakura yeah and what about um did you see mothering as <&>15:00 a form of work in a way hard for me to answer that now cos now the girls are are young women voc you <.>ca you forget about things like that yeah i don't really think so i think it was just sort of a natural thing to be happening but no doubt if you'd asked me that when the kids were young i'd have said this is VERY hard work and <{><[>and it's a real bind and all the rest of it but i <.>th that's not how i remember it so <[>mm mm <,> um how would you describe your selfworth um and paid work compared to unpaid work um how would you <,> well how do you do you feel better when you're in paid work rather than unpaid work i have absolutely no doubt it's really important for women and me to have economic <&>16:00 independence i i think it's one of the most important things out it helps in your relationship with your partner your <{><[>selfesteem your value in society and i had a period of my first husband died and i had a period when i was the sole income earner and i was very lucky that i had a job that was challenging and also paid well and had a certain amount of respect within the community teaching <[>mm mm um getting to like perhaps if you talked about your um first husband with you and your partner's wages um how was each wage considered was was yours sort of considered secondary for extra luxury things or no with with with both my partners um i think i've probably been very lucky that things have been shared so there's always been joint bank accounts and um i used to do all the payment of bills and everything in my first relationship so i really had more idea of where the money was and what was happening <,> in the second one that is not the case we've we've i don't do the payment of bills and things like that i'm not quite sure how that happened probably i was lazy mm <,> um in fact <.>i if i'm honest in the second relationship i have an account of my own and the other account is a shared one word mm how was your um teaching perceived <.>compared <.>i if a man had the same job as teaching how would you compare the word traditionally probably a female oh i think i'm <{1><[1>not sure if i'm answering you correctly but i have no doubt that <,> women and teacher teaching probably have a higher status than men in teaching a lot of people <&>18:00 look down at men who go into teaching whereas they don't tend to look down at women i'm talking about my <{2><[2>generation probably because a lot of the brighter girls went into teaching bright men went into things like lawyers accounting doctors <[1>word <[2>mm mm <,,> well with your jobs do you do you consider them skilled obviously teaching's definitely skilled work do you consider the little bit of housework that you've done skilled or unskilled word teaching is definitely skilled i think housework is skilled too to actually run a run a house <.>act i do however think it's a very skilled thing to run a house especially when you running a family as well mm word that's right <{><[>and there's a lot of time management that's actually got to go there so that everything functions smoothly <[>word mm so i think it is skilled mm much the same with mothering definitely mm definitely a skill <&>19:00 what reasons prompted you to go out and work word or just word <.>no um i think voc the main reasons <.>p probably to go out to work would've been the need to have one's own lifestyle to be independent of one's husband um because both my husbands have been good <.>in <.>in they've had good jobs incomewise i wouldn't have ever had to go out to work so it's never been and i've always expected to do so it's never occurred to me not to work and even now when i get irritated by work i know that it's i'd still prefer to work than not to work mm you're your own person if you don't work you're actually very dependent on your husband or somebody else's charity in a sense to you'd be aware of of word spend money and all the rest of it you you have your own friends your own life your own everything <&>19:57