<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>0:10 you told me you had <,> tut two um one and a half years <{><[>secondary <[>oh yes <.>we one and a <.>h a half years at er girls' high right and er <,> it was only supposed to be a short <,> time when mother was ill and i stayed at home and er course it <.>went the weeks went on and on and it was <.>chris christmas came on it was sort of midyear one of those kind of things right and course <.>there when the school started the next year i just didn't want to go back inhales so i <{><[>concentrated on er <.>m voc music instead of <.>t going back to school <[>right so you'd already been having lessons <{><[>music lessons <[>tut oh yes yeah i'd started when i was <,> ten years old so what level did you get to <&>1:00 l t c l <.>and <,> right a t c l l t c l <,,> so <.>di when you looked after your mother sally did you have <,> um other brothers and sisters and things two brothers all um two older brothers <,> so you were <{><[>really nursing her for about six months were you <[>and of course <.>th <.>they er they <.>t they were yes really yes clears throat <,> so did you <{><[><.>cook <[>course by that time <.>she she wasn't confined to bed all the time she had rheumatic fever she was very ill right <,> but she recovered oh yes yes <{><[><.>she she recovered <[>mm and when you were looking after her as a <.>fourt would have been a fourteen year old you'd looked voc after the house looked after the house with HELP from other relations right <,> we had an old aunt living just across the road from us so inhales <,,><&>3 <&>2:00 right so when you then started to do more of your music after your high schooling <,> how many <.>hour like how much time would you have spent doing that four hours a day <{><[>practice mhm mhm <[>oh right did you so it was really serious oh yes it was serious right <{><[>so for how long would that go on for <[>clears throat er i was er how old was i when i finished <,> i'd be eighteen when i had got my er l t c l i would think <,> <{><[>and then i took up teaching <[>oh right right so <.>w did you teach from home yes yes <{><[>taught at home <[>so how many pupils would you have had oh <.>it i think the most i had was ten <{><[>clears throat <[>right and ten would come for what one hour once <{><[>a week <[>voc half hour half hour <{><[>once a week <[><.>h <.>h half an hour twice a week <&>3:00 oh right <,,> <&>makes notes half hour twice a week <,,> mm and you would've kept those pupils for several years <{><[>some of them would be <[>yes did too mhm grown up so you were teaching at home <{><[>for how many years <[>i was teaching at home <,> er let me see now <,> er really up till the war started right and then with the outbreak of war <,> <{><[>i <.>thought voc <[>so how long would that been from when <{><[>you started at nineteen <[>well let me see nineTEEN <.>i i said nineteen didn't i well war <.>b er let me see now <,> how old was i when <.>they <,> tut i must have been <.>twenty <,> twenty three? right from eighteen to twenty three years so about <{><[>five or six years <[>er i yeah i think that would be about right <&>4:00 right right and then the war <,> broke out broke out and er i went to rathsbothams and took a course in er typing <.>sh <.>shor shorthand and typing right <,> so how did that work was that a night work <.>t course or <{><[>was that <[>no daytime all day yes see <.>i i was still at home <{1><[1>and i could fit it in <{2><[2>and i used to go er what was it four afternoons a week i think it was if i remember correctly <[1>right <[2>oh right so you sort of did both for a while mm and by doing that course um i got a job in the union steamship company right <,> so how long did the course last for it lasted there for um twenty <.>seven no i said what did i say twenty <.>two twenty two that lasted er <,> on twelve years <&>5:00 right <,> so you worked for the union steamship company till you were about thirty four or so that's <.>about no wait a minute well that can't be right <{1><[1>wait a minute cos i was about thirty one when i left there so that's not ten years is it i thought it <.>was <{2><[2>i was there ten years <[1>no <[2>not quite oh well no that might've been right if <{1><[1>you left at twenty finished or you know stopped your <{2><[2>teaching or your fulltime teaching at <{3><[3>twenty two and then you were thirty two you would have <{4><[4>been there ten years <[1>but <.>no <,> clears throat <[2>mm <[3>mm <[4>yes thirty years it'd be ten years right yeah and that was fulltime working <{><[>office work <[>yes mm no doubt that that was <{><[>fulltime <[>right oh that's interesting well tell me about it what sort of hours <.>and oh the hours well the hours were er the usual hours nine to five right but er clears throat of course <,> like everybody else getting a job during the war you know jobs like that we had no knowledge of actually <.>o of the type of er style of business you had to do we had to learn THAT <&>6:00 right so i started off in the claims department right and that's where i stayed until er peace was declared mm and er the male members of the staff were beginning to come back oh i see so you <{><[>just word right <[>back to work and they trans me to um the um <,> air department the air travel department known as in those days as air new zealand oh right which i thoroughly enjoyed and what um tell me more about like that jobs had been kept open for the men had <{><[>they <[>oh yes yes the <{><[>jobs were all <.>keep kept open <[>so were you when you were filling their jobs were you paid what they would have been paid no so you were paid less but doing their work yes <{><[>laughs <[>and when they come back they were paid more yes oh <&>7:00 now that's <{><[>well that's <.>strange strange thing you should say that i had to <.>go i got to the stage <.>of where er clears throat you um certain ones for er oh what did they call the er the like of the mills <,> <.>and oh essential industries <[>and what were you paid there oh right and if the <.>s if the board er i can't remember the name of the board that they had they had a committee and they picked people out that they thought er were not doing essential work right and you had to er if they did you had to er go before a board well the union company was considered essential industry right and er course at that time <.>i i was still doing the claims work i was doing claims as i <&>8:00 said and er so er <,> um the manager had <.>to he came with me he had to appear too and one of the gentlemen on the board said EXACTLY WHAT you said i can hear him say it this day and he said do you mean <.>d oh he said what er salary do you get or what wage do you get and i just told him mm <.>i i think it oh it <.>was it was about three pound a week or <{><[>something <[>right right tut and um <,> he said do you tell me that you're doing a man's job and getting a wage like that mm and he said what would the male be getting course i didn't know have a <{><[>clue <[>no you wouldn't know because that was something in the union boat company wages were never discussed amongst staff they were so varied you know mm and um it was just something you didn't talk about and one of the other <.>m er men on the um appeal board he said well what has that got to do with what we're here for in any <{><[>case i <&>9:00 was lucky i knew him <,> <[>mm right and er he said that's got no bearing on the subject at all she's still working for er doing essential industry and if she cares to work for that salary that's her personal business oh <{><[>so <.>w <[>so i got away with that so what do you mean <{1><[1>you got away with it <{2><[2>what did you get away with in that position <[1>and <[2><.>i i remained <.>h <.>h in the position and they didn't transfer me over to the roslyn mills oh i see so i stayed there so the working conditions in an office would have been better than in the mill oh yes oh definitely yeah but <{><[>the money maybe wasn't much better <[>definitely no <.>i i don't think <.>mo the money would have been any better really right cos they did a lot of overtime at the mill i think if er anybody working at the mill if they care to do overtime <.>they they would be well above <{><[>the award <[>mm so in the war time they chose people and if you <.>were if they suddenly NEEDED a certain <.>pro product people would just get shifted <&>10:00 yes <{><[>yes <[>people would be said well know you've got to work <{><[>here <[>yes yes oh <{><[>right and this board controlled all that <[>but er <.>you you could er er course it wasn't the actual individual that appealed it was the FIRM that appealed oh so <{1><[1>you were that interview that you had was part of an appeal <{2><[2>process to keep <{3><[3>you in your job <[1><.>y <[2>yes <[3>yes yes oh right <{><[>how interesting <[>mm <,,> mm <,,> so the job in the steamship company you would've worked there four or <.>f about four or five years in wartime <.>w <{><[>with mostly other women <[>yes mm yes it <.>w there was quite a number of women taken on there in the different departments <{1><[1>and i suppose overall there'd only be about <,> er oh i suppose there'd be about six men left in the office really <{2><[2>and that they were older <{3><[3>you know yes older men <{4><[4>all the young ones unless you know they just didn't pass their physical for um going overseas <[1>mm <[2>right <[3>they were older men <&>11:00 <[4>mm yes but er and they were very few <,,><&>3 right so when all the men come back tell me more about that what happened to your type <{><[>of job how did the job change <[>coughs <.>well when the war men came back er they came back slowly yes and um for a while <.>you you know they weren't just sure when everybody would be back and it took oh <,> i suppose it took a <.>c a couple of YEARS for them to all um come back again inhales and er course by this time the er travel <,> air travel was growing right and they needed staff for that so they asked me if i'm like to go on to air travel <&>12:00 mm so i did <,,> <{><[>and i stayed yeah <[>so <.>that because yeah because that was a new industry i imagine it was a NEW type of job for everybody who did it wouldn't it yeah well <{><[>more or less <,> no no <[>as you couldn't compare yourself to earlier workers course <.>you it <.>had it had been going for some <.>ti you know er union airways HAD been going for some time before er um <,> the WAR but it was very very small right it had one flight to <,> christchurch and one to wellington and one to auckland and that was about <,> the limit mm but then they extended down to invercargill and then they'd get two er <,> er flights a day mm so the nature of your work when you did that was it mainly <.>wh how did it change <,> when you went to the other department er when i went over to the airways well you're dealing straight out with the public <&>13:00 oh right so you were taking bookings <{><[>were you <[>yes doing bookings right <,> and of course making out the bookings you did you had to carry them through yourself right and um <,> in contact with the other branches <.>it NO it was really quite interesting REALLY mm oh even though it was only for er at that time um we didn't do very much international <,> er bookings that was just beginning er really to grow <{><[>when um i left i was just more or less getting into the international but up to that stage the person the head of the department HE did all the overseas you know that had to be done <[>right right which was only fair really anyway cos he'd had years of <.>f service you know doing tourist right doing travel and and dealing with the public <,,> <&>14:00 but i did <{1><[1>i learnt to er <,> control myself with the <.>public's fickle <{2><[2>sort of laughs <[1>mm <[2>right so <.>were was there any TRAINING for that <{><[>any training did they teach you how to deal with the public <[>voc voc not really right not really <.>you you had to um you know use your own common sense really right and sort of keep at the back of the mind well word er <,> you were there working for the company and you couldn't be rude to <.>a <{><[>a er a customer <[>a customer mm and er <,> that's um <,> <{><[>course the same thing more or less applied in the er shipping part of the company too <[>mm yes you know course that was dealing more with er <,> with the business firms <{><[>er with the claims department that was all business and customs but er no i learnt a lot over those years <&>15:00 <[>right mm and THEN i got MARRIED mm HAD a family and when keith was <,> how old was he seven i got SO fed up with being at home <,> tut i decided i'd take a job <&>15:18