<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>tape two side one <&>0:25 do you like living in porirua mhm <,,><&>3 yes <,> what's er what do you <.>f find's good about it mm? what do you find is good about it people <,> um <,> neighbours <,,><&>7 mm <,> any changes you'd like to see yes shopping centre shopping centre? mm improved or oh just i think it needs to be um upgraded <&>1:00 <,,><&>10 inhales what about other facilities <,,><&>3 toilets are all right um <,,><&>9 nah i think everything else is all right mm <.>that that i know of <,> schools schools are all right <,,><&>6 mm nah er do you think there are enough jobs for people locally pardon? do you think there are enough jobs for people locally no there isn't no do <.>yo what do you think would improve the situation <&>2:00 a <.>res <,,><&>3 a restructuring um <,,><&>3 restructuring of um <,,> of people how do you mean well what i mean by that is some people there can um tut have lots of ideas tut but they don't say anything mm right? people that are unemployed today they don't say much <,> um to the right people mm um to help the unemployment <,,><&>3 so if they um like express themselves more if they had to <.>or clears throat the unemployed had a like an avenue to yeah like a resource place mhm more or less a strong good resource place <&>3:00 someone somewhere where they can trust somebody <,> open up to them you know what i mean mm an individual won't go and open up to some of these people there mm they <.>keep especially maori people i'm telling you that yeah yeah <,,> mm mm <,,><&>3 tut do you think there are enough things provided for people to do in their spare time around here definitely not <,> er what extra facilities would you like to see provided um <,,><&>4 for instance i'll give you an example <,,> churches churches themselves they don't have halls <{1><[1>most churches don't have halls around here so <,> they haven't got somewhere where kids could go to like they <&>4:00 used to in the old days voc old days you used to have a church and then you had a hall next to it where people inhales you know like after school they can have <.>sc um games inside the hall <{2><[2>you don't have to have religion either you may finish with one say just a <.>pr prayer at the end of the thing kids like to play games after school inhales er organise picnics and all that for them <[1>mm <[2>yeah mm um those sort of things um <,> can have a dance on a friday night inhales see all those sort of things are going mm um there's not enough halls facilities those sort of type of people <,> and unfortunately people won't do it now because of the expense to build one mm <,> yeah yeah mm <,> tut um it's taken a lot of the focus out of the community <{><[>too hasn't it <[>mm and what's actually happened now you got some school halls that are all gone they're all <&>5:00 either used up and um if they're not used up then the prices are too high to <{><[>to hire them and this is what's the problem is here and this is why you <.>e end up with a lot of <.>pe children on the streets <[>mm mm <,,> yeah <,,><&>9 that include gyms or mm gyms <,,><&>5 mm <,,><&>7 yeah i've got you there <&>microphone noise um <,> what was the area like when you first came here <&>phone rings um very good actually mm mm and has it changed much has it no <,> <&>6:00 um very little very little i think the only thing <.>that that we've got is um the courts down tut the bottom there mm oh <,> <&>rest of utterance addressed to third person tell her that i've i'm doing a test at the moment if she can ring back about <.>tw somewhere near twelve or something <&>third person talks into phone in background mm <{><[>yeah <[>oh yeah oh that's word oh yeah <,> er exhales friendly oh you've mentioned that the people are friendly eh mm mm <,,> clears throat oh i'll just ask you this er <,> questions here this um this do you think um the use of the maori language should be encouraged yes who do you think should be responsible for encouraging it all parents maori parents iwi authorities other maori organisations <&>7:00 schools polytechs and universities government oh i think um government should come in to help help those parents there that um <,,><&>3 help the parents <,,> that <.>l people like me for instance they should come in here and help us because um voc when we first started off at school i can remember this i used to get hidings i i got i used to get hidings for for for trying to speak maori at school in those days mm and that's when i was in the primers and people like me should be helped to try and get back our language mm and that's the saddest part of it and it should be people from all those ages up you know yeah that that's lost the maori and perhaps those ones there down to kohanga reo NOW <,> SHOULD be helped by government mm yeah <&>8:00 because it was them that destroyed it at the beginning yeah <,> wasn't <,> wasn't long ago either was it mm and that that's that's that's my opinion of it mm mm yeah um what about thinking about what do you think about teaching it in maori in schools yes do you think it should be compulsory yes <,> er this <.>i er they're teaching taha maori at the at the moment this is <.>a <,> thing do you think what about that do you know anything about that um <,> <.>it to me it's not <,> how can i say it <,,><&>3 taha maori's not actually covered in in a full sense because you <&>9:00 get some people say like the pakeha for instance <,> are going to sit there anybody can go and sit exams if they've got the brains mm right tut but they can't go and sit knowledge mm nobody can sit knowledge because that's something that that's and most maori has not been passed on mm you see so they're only going from what they get in their books and to me that's wrong um <,,> and you got genuine maori people out there some of our elders anyway that knows the knowledge knows everything but they've got to go to a university and that's a that's to me is fear it's fear to them people inhales because um they get scared to go along to the to university inhales um <,> and you get the <.>maor the pakeha people come and sit and <.>the try and learn the maori to take our jobs they are they're taking our jobs and i couldn't care <&>10:00 less what they say sniffs tut i'm only being straightforward and um but they don't know much knowledge behind it they can speak it mm but they don't know the knowledge behind what they speaking about tut and that's the saddest part of it mm <,> yeah mm and i think we should utilise our old kaumatuas that are alive today mm um bring them into the schools <,,> in the areas where we're using maori and let them do it and let the other ones there just <,> either do a course like they're doing now they're doing it through the education department and i see they've just started up the university which is good cos you got younger ones there right inhales that's good too tut but um you got the pakeha side there that voc some of these teachers here that that are in school now they're pakehas and they've learnt the maori <&>11:00 they've learnt it they only went to <,,> to try and steal it is the word i'll use it i'll use the word steal off what little knowledge they can get in three years some i think it's two years too some of them eh mm then they go to school and they think they know the lot <,> and they use it on our kids <,> now to me that's wrong mm and the only thing that's given them that is their certificate yeah <{><[><.>t good one <[>you know but they need to get out of there and go out and learn <.>s live amongst the people even if they go to ruatoria somewhere up there and LEARN <,> learn a bit because a PRIEST <,> coming into a mission to do a missionary does not know everything even though he can speak it he doesn't know everything from every different tribe he doesn't mm and this is the reason why we send them around to different areas all the time so he can LEARN the whakapapa himself in amongst <&>12:00 those people <,,> you understand mm so to <{><[>me these teachers are false <[>yeah so then you come back with an appreciation of mm each area in it's own yep and for them to do it it should really take them a ten year course to go through it <{><[>and i'm i'm i'm being honest this this should not be a three year if they want to learn maori it should be a TEN year maori course and then they go round and tramp all over the country and learn the <.>wh different whakapapa from each one <[>mm mm and they get it <,> and then they got maori yeah <,> er bit of knowledge yeah mm <,,><&>3 mm and that's that's what i see mm mm <,,><&>4 do you know how the er kohanga's getting on good excellent here it is anyway um maraeroa it it's it's inhales er we thought we were gonna lose it but we've got it do you think it needs anything to improve it um <,> tut not <,> what we need to do is um <,> tut to improve it we need maori within our primary school <,> cos from kohanga reo they go to primary mm and we need it in EVERY classroom <,,><&>3 tut right yeah then we do the same in <,> intermediate <,,> tut and through to our colleges because <{><[>by then they'll be strong <[>mm mm but what's actually happening is er they go to kohanga reo they get to primary school some primary schools haven't got it mm some intermediates haven't got it so what they're doing is all those kids gone through all those years and cut off yeah <&>14:00 you see <,> and that's what's happening they're just getting one at er titahi bay intermediate mm daughter's just come out of um <,> <.>l leaving standard four now so <{><[>she's word <,,> she'll be going there next year but she's they've got a bilingual unit up in her school at the moment titahi bay north <[>mm mm mm it's really good for her <{><[>oh she's really improved <[>yeah mm <{><[>mm good <[>yeah good to listen <,> clears throat do you think it should be an official language in new zealand yes <,,><&>3 why because the pakeha have been official for years and we've and all it's really <.>w what i'm trying to do is they want to try and strengthen our um <,> what do they tourism tut mm and how can they do it <,,> when um when we <&>15:00 sort of more or less scaring our maori away mm from these things yeah you know er <,> um yeah so i think <.>th so i'll be beneficial for it'd be beneficial <&>pronounced benefificial for everybody cos that way there the european could understand our treaty too mm properly more clearly <,> mm <,,><&>8 do you think <.>it the language is only for maori people only nah it's for all <{><[>new zealanders <[>nah mm for everyone mm clears throat that's what culture's all about culture's there to share it's to share to work with EVERY other ethnic groups that are available throughout the world mm <,> um <,> and it's a lovely thing that <&>16:00 we <.>sh should not hold but share amongst other parts of the world <,> tut um what's actually happened i'll give you an example why why i'm um <,,> why it should be shared because um because we then go into places like japan <,,> um <,> into korea places like that what they did was from tapes they learnt our culture off tapes like the poi and everything mm and now you find it i bet you anything they're the strongest poi people in the world is that right yep you go to er rarotonga you have a look at some of those people there they're on shows they do shows there mm they're they're japanese and they're using our <&>17:00 pois exhales yeah is that right <{><[>oh <,> so this isn't a so they're they're they're utilising <[>that's right mm mm but you see that's what they've done to progress their own country mm yeah see and it and it benefit them in the long run what's actually happening now is the raros saying is if we can't get a decent group to go over there MAORI group i'm talking about then don't go <,> that's true mm cos they do better shows over there yeah <,> actually i think i've seen a er tape at works when i was first there i seen <.>th two guys up at porirua college on <{><[>this video two maori fellas doing the old cook island dance eh <[>mm mm they were bloody good yeah <,> my daughter does that too last year we did the cook island dance when we went to czechoslovakia mm you know um and we had a really beautiful group <&>18:00 you know we had both maori and cook island yeah you see but this year what i did laughs i've introduced myself to raro group and now <,> they gonna help so when my daughter comes back next week she'll be going to that <{><[>group there to learn <[>laughs to learn benefit from it <{><[>mm <[>yeah <&>18:18