<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side two <&>12:15 er do you think there are enough jobs for people locally well <.>th there may have been but they're getting less and less of course i mean with the unemployment situation i mean um <.>the they're actually getting less now than <.>wh they were before that's that's for certain mm i mean unemployment is a real problem anywhere mate yeah and we we haven't missed it yeah what um what do you think <.>w what would you do to improve the situation unemploymentwise so they can <.>em be employed locally inhales do you think there's anything they can they can do to <,,><&>4 <&>13:00 well there're probably things that that <.>they they could do but er the government's apparently not willing to spend the money mm on on the er on industry or anything <.>like <.>l like that because they seem to be just um um hellbent on making people unemployed <{><[>and giving them the dole seem to be easier than trying to work out um er you know a a proper system where they can <.>em get people into industry <[>laughs yeah <,,> um <,,><&>9 oh what was the area like here er when you first came here very good i mean there was always i i don't i don't suppose there was there there was one <.>un unemployed person you know when i first come out <{><[>here there was work for everybody <,> everybody was um employed and of course that that's a good thing because er with all the unemployment i mean it <.>lea breeds to trouble <[>mm <&>14:00 mm you know there's an old saying that the devil finds work for idle hands and i mean there's that many idle hands around at the moment that that the unemployment has created all the problems yeah and which we never had as i said earlier where the <.>everybody everybody was employed full employment and um your time was occupied yeah yeah and now that that's the unfortunate part about it <,> <{><[><.>i <[>what about er what about the <.>ar what about um the sort of city and that itself you know the buildings and all of that you would have seen a few changes coming around here oh yes i mean i mean the city's really developed i mean <.>they i mean when i first come here er um voc for instance i i wasn't er i wanted to <&>15:00 build a two storey um a residence above a shop that i built and um the er local body er building building er laws then were that nobody was allowed to to build um um a double storey <.>sh um house is that right and um of course since then i mean all those er building er laws have been changed and they can build four and five storey high buildings which is er which i thought was stupid in the first instance but now i mean they've got around to doing it i mean space is at a premium so i mean that that's the one reason why they probably yeah decided to go higher what um <,> whereabouts did whereabouts did you first live well in porirua east oh yeah <{><[>yeah <[>yes in porirua east we i i built a house and and a shop and a house there oh <.>w which shop was this <&>16:00 er in the corner of mungavin avenue and er and er what's it called martin streets right on the corner hindu people own it now i sold it to them right in the corner of um opposite the you you right opposite <{><[>it's opposite the er er memorial is it the porirua community centre hall <[>word yeah there's a house there there's a shop right on the corner as you turn into what they call martin street goes down towards the that's <{1><[1>where that old guy smith used to live isn't it <{2><[2>the old <[1>er <[2>that's right next door to smith we built shop yeah oh so you built that shop yes and er we wanted to put our residence on top of the shop mm rather and use the back part coughs for a store but the local building laws wouldn't allow it they said you <.>were weren't allowing anybody to build er two storeys was it a dairy then a dairy yep oh yeah <,> what about um <,> who who built the <.>chem were you around there when the chemist <.>w <&>17:00 chemist was built yes <.>whose who was the guy that owned that there was a chap um he had it built er yeah the first chemist in there was a chap named rusty williams rusty williams williams he he he <.>d he had <.>a had his shop built there we all we all built around about the same time when the er block was open <,> <.>ea each well i mean some were later than others i think i was the last one to build yeah because i i had the i had the residence to to build at the back which er was <.>a problem was at the time was raising finance <.>t for the extra building did that um <,,><&>5 oh so so you had to <.>b er so what years were these that you built the er shop and that um nineteen i think it was about nineteen fifty seven fifty <{><[>seven <[>fifty seven and how long were you there for <&>18:00 er <,> oh we were there for about two and a half years <,> family lived there at the back of the shop mm we had er three children then and of course that that's one of the main reasons why we <.>m why we sold the shop because er our fourth child come along so it was getting too big of a hurdle for the wife mm who who helped me in the shop and er you know when she wasn't looking after kiddies of course <,> so we we we then sold the shop well leased the shop and then came to titahi bay which i've been here ever since oh and you've got this place here yes oh but you lived next door there first <{><[>eh <[>we lived next door <{><[>in the first instance and then er i <.>c i had the section cut up and we built this place then <[>mm mm so this was all one section this yes yep oh <{><[>right <[>yeah <,,> that was one of the main reasons why i bought it because it was a yeah it was <&>19:00 subdivisible <{><[>and i always thought at some later day when er er i had enough money well i'd i'd er build on it <[>mm oh right right what about um do you remember much of um <,> the shopping centre area porirua how that changed er voc what was that royie did you remember much about er how the shopping area changed oh yes er you know i mean i <.>wa i watched porirua porirua grow right you know right from the first first shop yeah um we were the only shop er shops in porirua EAST er when when er when i built yeah but then they opened up the the city area tut and er of course all the big firms like james smiths woolworths and that all all all purchased er um er areas there to <&>20:00 build on and of course er from there it it just mushroomed just yeah went ahead <,> it's quite a busy centre now i mean it's a real um you know city shopping <{><[>area <[>mm how much of the bay was here beg your pardon how much of the bay was here when you shifted out here oh <,,> <.>i <.>i it was er er er it was er <.>f <.>f <.>f fairly er sparsely um tut er populated then <{><[>but it's it's gone ahead i mean for instance over there on the er <,> on the hill there er pikirere street <[>mm mm there was er five hundred houses built there er from from about nineteen er er fifty fifty five to about sixty four there was a big project there yeah <.>an and they built <.>an an austrian firm er er <&>21:00 built the houses <,,><&>3 they're the ones with the old slide up windows eh? are they the ones with the slide up windows yes yes they they that er see there was cause that boosted the population in titahi bay <{><[>once er <.>th those places er were finished and occupied then er titahi bay sort of er started to go ahead then <[>yeah mm <,,><&>3 <{><[>so that brought all <.>the did they <.>brough bring all the er equipment over here <[>mm beg pardon did they bring all the equipment over here well they brought <&>pronounced bought the <.>all no they shipped the um the um prefabed er er more or less er houses um out in in in bulk and on about oh three or four ship loads and then er they they stacked them here they were stacked all over the place mm and then er <.>a as the er sections were laid out <&>22:00 they they placed the houses on the sections then er er constructed them there whipped them up on the on the site yeah er lot of them <.>of er did did er deteriorate they stayed on the ground too long yeah and of course then they had to <,> er be <.>re er they had to get new zealand timbers then to er er take the place of the rotted er bulk and pine i think it was they had and of course it was lying on the ground spent a couple of winters on the ground and how was that er it was useless <,> they just had <.>c had to condemn it shit at that time i was working for them so i knew all about <{><[>it <[>oh is that right oh yeah yeah i was working for the housing department then and er <.>w we just went around and condemned heaps and heaps of of er rotting timber burnt it and then er had it replaced with new zealand timber <,> but the first the first lots of the houses were er good of course cos they got straight <&>23:00 onto them yeah which ones <.>were which ones would have been the early ones well the early ones were the ones er round what they call er it's been known as whanga crescent oh <{><[>yeah yeah up by ngati toa school <[>er up there by ngati toa school mm er up near back you know the school at the back of the pa i think they were the first lot of houses there because they were the flattish part of the land but up near pikirere street and piko street mm er where where the ground was higher er they they were some of the last ones yeah what about the windows what's the story with the windows beg your pardon what's the story with them windows you know how they well they they swallows they they didn't sort of er they weren't like our er what you call double hung windows that we're used to er <.>th these didn't have any weights in them they were sort of er metal cylinders <{1><[1>and they used to jam they were only a sort of a cylinder er with a with a spiral er <.>ra er spiral sort of steel bar up the <{2><[2>centre of it and of course they used to jam and er a lot lot of their windows er well er <.>y had to be renewed the mechanism in <{3><[3>particular <[1>yeah <[2>yeah <&>24:00 <[3>yeah and that's when they replaced them with that string and that is it that's right oh yeah they put a <,> oh they'll be what weights mm where we put our um they're a sort of um cast iron weight in them and of course they they worked like clockwork then mm <,> oh right um <,> are the people friendly here <{1><[1>do you think the people are <{2><[2>friendly around here <[1>friendly? <[2>very very friendly very friendly <,,><&>3 did it take you to <.>get er take take you long to get to know people around here no no they <.>were they were very very friendly i mean i er er i think in a er <.>i it was a fairly closeknit community and er when we come here um <&>25:00 um all the neighbours very friendly i remember missus quinlan <.>e she used to live opposite us she was a physiotherapist and <{><[>er we first come out here she was i suppose only been out here a day and she was coming over and inhales wanted to know if there was anything she could do for us help us no the <.>i <.>e everybody was similar <[>mm mm <,,><&>6 oh i went to a chap's funeral the other day who died er eighty two i think it was when was it on er friday and er been friends with him for twenty odd years mm he was single chap just lived down the back of our place <,> you might have might have read in the paper he er he collapsed and died at at the er anzac parade in porirua nah <{><[>no word <[>yeah a chap named joe phillips an old titahi bay <.>i identity mm worked for the maori affairs at one time yeah <&>26:00 yeah <,> worked librarian in wellington <,> er but they they were fairly fairly elderly er er community here when <.>w you know when we well when we got here they were about our age yeah <,,> so you know a a lot of the beg your pardon you know a lot of them oh yes <.>y especially round here <{><[>um voc <.>and and not so much up on the hills and that it's just you sort of get to know all your <[>mm yeah the people in close proximity to you how did you know old sammy wallace sammy? wallace sammy how'd i know him? yeah oh through er working on the er <,> er in the building in the building er er i i think sammy worked for us in the um housing department one part of it oh yeah you know he he was working in er on these houses building houses in the um <,> on these <&>27:00 austrian houses er he er he <.>work he went to the council later on but that's where i got <{><[>first got to know him we were working in the building trade <[>mm mm <,> see him much at the beg your pardon do you see him much only when i go to porirua r s a and i yeah he he just might happen to be in there when i'm over there yeah <{><[>yeah <[>but um <.>don't don't sort of see him on a regular basis same as fred ropata i only i only see him when we're er say at a army parade or <{><[>or i happen to pop over to porirua r s a <[>mm yeah <,,> they've got a pretty good er <{><[>setup <[>beg your pardon they've got a pretty good setup over there haven't they yes yes oh yes yeah oh yeah they're er well you know they've voc done a lot of <.>w work um voluntary work early in the piece mm and got themselves er started yeah <&>28:00 <.>w which er um voc <,> <.>w which helped them er um later on er when they went for er get loans to er build <.>the voc you know add on to it er <.>they they had a <.>v they had something to work on yeah yeah <,> um <,> oh i've just got these <,,><&>3 just got er few more questions um do you think er the use of maori language should be encouraged the the maori language should be <{><[>encouraged <[>oh definitely oh <.>def <.>d i mean that's definite er who do think <{><[>should be responsible for encouraging it all parents maori parents iwi authorities other maori organisations schools polytechs and universities government <[>voc well <.>i i i think all of those people come into it i mean er all the ones you mentioned should contribute to the to the education of the <&>29:00 language i mean it's <.>only it's unfortunate that it's only in the last <,> say fifteen fifteen twenty years that they've um more or less woken up that that if somebody didn't do anything about it yeah <.>th that will be their language will be be lost mm um <,> fortunately um you know people with er intelligence could see that and so they've <.>th they've er got it going in in a really big way now yeah er what do you think about teaching in schools do you think it should be compulsory well <.>i er i think voc i think it should be optional i mean <.>there there's there's a lot of white people swallows er don't think it's any use to them that's the way i see it yeah <&>30:00 and so consequently they they er er don't want to be involved in it well er that's all right <.>th <.>th they're they're entitled to their view so er but for those white people who who think they'd like to learn the language i i think it's a good thing and i and i i think it should be taught in the schools <{><[>but but optional <[>yeah yeah <{><[>oh <[>i mean now i know the maori had the white language forced onto them er but then again er er they they they don't have to push their language onto the white people mm i mean if they can speak it fluently themselves er then then that's <.>a AND speak the white language themselves the european language um <.>th then that's a bonus for the maoris i <{1><[1>say but if the white people don't want to learn the maori language <.>th then they're missing out <{2><[2>not not the maori people <[1>mm <[2>yeah mm <&>30:58