<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>tape one side one <&>25:35 okay now i've just got some questions about um porirua mhm laughs yep do you like living here now i do yes took me about twenty years laughs what's good about living here um it's <,> well i don't know you get attached to a place i voc when you finally put <.>y put your roots down <.>y um when you first come to a place <{><[>like <,> er where you were born and and <&>26:00 raised you always think well i thought of it as my grass roots anyhow there <[>mm mm but then as the years went on you realise you're not gonna go back again and you buy your house mm and i bought a house here in porirua with my <.>family MY own family was raised here in porirua so therefore it's home <,> and i like it it's good i like it <,> and the people who i <.>know my family's here <,> and i feel comfortable here in <{><[>porirua <[>mm are there any changes in porirua you'd like to see or any facilities and things like that oh i don't know i always i think we're muddling through all right and i think just more employment but then that's up to the politicians <{1><[1>eh but um personally no i don't think <{2><[2>so <[1>mhm <[2>mm cos like these questions here and that if there's anything you want changed and that cos these questions here are going to the council laughs <{><[>laughs yeah laughs <&>27:00 <[>oh yeah oh no i think they're doing a <,> the council's doing all right in porirua um i mean they <.>could you know they've improved the <,> approaches to porirua like all the what the those <,> er that what do you call those groups they had doing all the landscaping and that word yeah they've <.>d really done porirua up quite well used to be grotty before but now it looks quite nice now and the roads are well maintained and <,> <.>s <,> <{><[>rubbish collections is it's pretty good <[>mhm mhm yeah our services here from as far as the council's concerned are <,> are excellent like water rates and water and tut our rubbish disposal <&>pronounced as distposal got no hassles with that they're pretty good generally do you think there are enough things for people to do in their spare time around here tut <,> well i don't know for myself i've got enough to do for myself i can't speak for <{1><[1>anybody else but i i've got enough to do by just pottering <.>m around my own patch <{2><[2>um <,> i don't go out i didn't know i'm not a sort of community sort of <{3><[3>person i just stay in my own backyard but i'm quite happy to do it <[1>mm <&>28:00 <[2>mm <[3>mm mm that's just okay that's fine um do you think that there should be more childcare places and meeting places rec centres maybe here in porirua? <{1><[1>i think we <,> <.>h have most of it i think we've got we've got the rec centre we've <{2><[2>got our community hall and if you look at the kapimana <.>they're they're always advertising meetings for you know and <.>that <.>that those facilities are are well used <[1>mm <[2>mm mhm oh i think we've got enough here er hospitals yes <{><[>um but then again that's the politicians' problem <[>coughs yeah er nothing that we <.>w well i suppose we could protest about it <.>but which we are doing <{><[>now <,> but on the whole i think <.>we you know we're fairly well off <[>mm yep okay um what was porirua like when you first came here ugh it was grotty laughs word <{1><[1>yeah i mean they were still building um <.>and well twenty six years ago it's it's it's a HUGE place now but when and there wasn't much going on um it it <,> it was WHO you knew you know that got you into things <{2><[2>it wasn't what you knew but who you knew that got you <.>th and it <{3><[3>still applies today i think <[1>mm <&>29:00 <[2>mhm <[3>coughs yeah you know getting into clubs and things like that um tut you just can't go in and say well i <.>w i would like this you have to know somebody <{1><[1>before you can get into a club <{2><[2>of some kind you know and they've got plenty of playgrounds for the children and and <,> no i think we're well served here what <.>it what i see when i went overseas i went through thirteen countries tut and we're well <{3><[3>off here we really are <,> we've got it made here <{4><[4>it's just holding on to it that's the problem because at the moment now our government's selling our freedom left right and <.>cent centre <,> and it's holding on to that freedom all the other countries are fighting for their freedom <{5><[5>they've been <&>30:00 repressed you know and <,> in new zealand we've always had freedom and <,> the governments are <.>s slowly <,> selling our freedom <[1>mm <[2>yeah that's <[3>coughs coughs <[4>mm <[5>mm mm selling it for big bucks <,> good lord i just heard on the radio this morning where they want to change the legislation for <,> um pieces of land tut er it's called council land but they also call it the queen's queen's land where you know on coastal areas and that that nobody can er it belongs to the crown but because they're selling off all all our forestries and things now <.>the now the um <,> those private firms want mm that thing to come off that um thing you know it's a guarantee for the <.>p public to use they can use that land to get onto the beaches or for recreation areas and if they sell that land well it privately owned <{><[>they're gonna say well if you want to go to our beach pay me a hundred dollars before you can get through to go to my beach and that sort of thing well all the things <.>w our parents have paid for like post offices and railways the transport er <.>th those have all been sold off <[>mm <&>31:00 mm for private <.>con to private concerns and yet we're still paying taxes for it as well mm laughs and they're making billions <,> <{><[>it makes you sick <[>stupid eh laughs <{><[>it's stupid <[>GOD we're still subsidising and yet <.>th <.>th you know they're making millions and they come back to the people and say right you're gonna pay more for for the services when by rights the people actually own them <,> and we're still paying taxes for them while the mm the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer <,> the poor get poorer <,> <{><[>but that's yeah this is where politics come into it <[>it's sick eh clears throat but generally <.>o on the whole i think voc the people in new zealand are well off <,> after what i saw <{><[>overseas i've never seen so much <&>32:00 <.>povert poverty simple things that we take for granted like bread and butter and milk that they don't even GET over there yeah er <.>i it's it's you just can't get it <[>mm mm and it's things here <.>you WATER you you we can turn our taps on and drink our water whereas overseas we couldn't <&>32:25 <&>end of side one <&>side two <&>IK asks whether use of Maori language should be encouraged and this is not recorded <&>0:42 <,,><&>4 yeah i guess yes mm okay who do you think should be responsible for encouraging the use of maori laughs <{><[>laughs <[>laughs what was that question? WOW <&>1:00 who do you think should <.>encour be responsible for encouraging the use of maori <,,> well now the way i feel about it <,> <{><[>well it should be encouraged in the homes <[>coughs mhm but there's more to it than that question realises you know there's more to to the issue really um like government and things like that? <,> no well exhales it's <.>th well they're going to bring it in now and it's the younger <,> people <.>m my generation was the generation that had it knocked out of them weren't allowed to speak it in in the school <.>play playgrounds um <.>s so i can't speak <{1><[1>maori and you ask where's the best place for it to be taught in in the HOME is naturally the best place for it but what happens when the parents don't know their <{2><[2>own language <,> um they can <.>take push it at school but whether the <.>kids i think it's important it be in the home because they teach it at school <.>the and they come back into the home and it <,> should be still you know an ongoing thing <[1>mm <[2>mm <&>2:00 mm in the home itself <,> um so yeah i suppose the home would be the best place yeah i guess what do you think about teaching maori in schools great do you think it should be compulsory er <,,> oh i don't know about that i can only answer for myself mhm compulsory? <,> um well the way i feel about it if the kids want to learn it fair enough but if they don't <,> mm then no that's good er how do you think the kohanga reo's getting on wouldn't have a clue darling cos i don't have anything to do with it mhm do you think it's a good thing for the babies yes but then again it's got to be an ongoing thing mm er you're teaching three and four year olds to speak maori and then they're going into the primary schools then it's there now and and the colleges <&>3:00 mhm yeah it's a good thing now as long as they keep it like that and <.>anoth another twenty years from now they say that's it you've had your chance maori now we go back to english mm <{><[>word <[>laughs and of course that's what happened to me i don't know maori all english mm <,> er do you think maori should be an official language in new zealand it already is er it already is isn't it yep <{><[>laughs trick question no right <,> okay um do you think maori is for maori people only or for all new zealanders <,,><&>4 <[>mm well then again it's <.>a it's <.>a that's <,> i've don't know how to answer that because it's up to the individual mhm but if it's available and if yeah if it's available and they want to learn it fair enough <&>4:00 mhm <,> that's good clears throat do you think knowing maori helps pakehas understand maori people <,,> oh hey how how on earth can i answer that <{><[>laughs i can't i don't know how a pakeha's thinking but if they <,> they wouldn't use it if they didn't think it was going to help them would they <[>laughs mm they wouldn't learn it that's good you answered these questions really well it's <{><[>been <[>oh thank you you're doing okay um now let me see word laughs let me see she's going to give me a star on <{><[>my hand <[>laughs right now i've got heaps of topics here and that <{><[>um tut okay do you remember the story in the reading passage <,> about that person who nearly died who nearly drowned <[>mhm drowned yeah yeah mm have you ever found yourself in a situation where you thought you were going to be killed or yeah i found myself in a <.>s well i nearly got drowned yeah? yeah what happened <.>w er er went out of my depth you know <{><[>went out too far went swimming <&>5:00 and my cousin jumped in to save me <[>mm yeah and if it wasn't for him well i guess i wouldn't be having this <{><[>er conversation with you laughs <[>laughs that's all right that's all right okay have you ever seen a really bad accident <,,> oh no <{><[>no <[>mm <,> have you seen a fight around here a what a fight oh i've seen lots of fights <,> working in the <&>name tavern i've seen PLENTY of fights are you going to tell me about one laughs <{><[>word <[>laughs laughs <{><[>laughs <[>i'll tell you the one i thought was most exciting was when the women all laugh no <{><[>but <[>speaking of word there was about twelve women in the public bar of the <&>name hotel and we don't know what voc started it but it was just women fighting it was these twelve women and i tell you what we've had the mongrel mob in there where they've REALLY smashed tables and everything mm <&>6:00 but this fight was WORSE mm there was hanks of hair ugh <{><[>word <[>coming out and i suppose you could say that was violent <{><[>laughs blood noses they were RIPping their clothes off eh they were <.>r in in right down to their BRAS <[>laughs laughs and and er none of the male patrons would interfere and this happened just after nine oclock that night they called the porirua police in and i guess there would have been about twenty of them mm THEY couldn't er touch the women so they just closed the doors <,> and these women fought till ten oclock they got <.>re reinforcements police got reinforcements from wellington and ended up with about oh i would say roughly about forty eight police out there <,> and they just waited till ten oclock they just let the women fight till ten oclock and just got them out the doors and <{><[>once they were outside the doors that was it and <[>word and that was it? that was it far out <,> voc all women? ALL WOMEN and they fight worse than men sometimes <{><[>laughs <&>7:00 <[>and the men were standing around and they were BETTING because there was island women there were rarotongan women samoan women and maori women <,> and i think there were some pakehas there and they were ALL betting the men were all betting <{1><[1>amongst themselves as to who which one like whether it was gonna be a they says right two dollars for the maori <{2><[2>women and the and the island <.>boy men would pay up the like the rarotongans and say no voc five five bucks for the er for the rarotongan lady as to who was <.>go still going to be standing when the fight was <{3><[3>finished <[1>laughs <[2>laughs <[3>laughs all laugh that's yeah i've seen plenty of fights and um tut the majority of them HAVE been with maoris and <{1><[1>islanders in in the hotels <{2><[2>and er yeah swallows tut in the pubs er <,> but the worst was when the samoans were involved the maoris and the rarotongans would get together <[1>mm <[2>and in the pubs mm and they would fight the samoans tut er the rarotongans always backed <{><[>the maoris or <&>8:00 er or or vice versa you know um if word a samoan was involved well that was it the samoans were all on their own tut and the maoris and the rarotongans would get together and <,> yes i've seen some beauty brawls <[>mm word oh i bet YES <&>8:15