<&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies <&>Victoria University of Wellington <&>side one <&>0:06 okay page twenty seven peter have you got that page <,,> great <,> basically it's child abuse two years ago the law changed remember we were talking about the children and young persons and their families act because remember when there used to be problems with children they'd usually just be taken out of their families and put in the welfare homes we discussed all this okay well the children young persons and their families ACT tries to keep them in families so everything changed the whole structure of social welfare etcetera and what used to be called the child protection team this is a team of psychologists and specialists and social workers and people that would GO IN where there was a problem of abuse of children they no longer exist they're now called there's a care and protection coordinator and that's the person in charge of that group of people and you have to call a <&>1:00 FAMILY conference together to do with that child so anyone from that child's family can come in <{><[>to the conference <[>the extended family yeah extended family or anyone who's even interested somebody that mightn't even be a relation but might be wanting to look after their child close <{><[>friend <[>or a good friend yeah yep anyone like that <,,> okay so basically what they've tried to do instead of making that child the <.>com the um responsibility of social welfare we that child is now the responsibility of their FAMILY and the community so someone else in the family a grandparent or an auntie or a brother or sister might be able to say i can look after that child or i can supervise that child and see that no harm is going to come to it and it sounded great sounds like a really good idea and then about probably ninety percent of cases it's working but there's probably about ten percent of cases where it's not working and the the person in charge the big chief of this is doctor iain hassel okay <&>2:00 and he's the government person who's the advocate for children so i guess if you wanted to divorce your parents or whatever like this boy did in the states he's the person you'd get in touch with so overall he's in charge of that okay? okay page forty seven <,,><&>3 have you answered those questions at the end of it to me <&>class comments three seconds oh okay then so you were supposed to hand it in we've done that whole page <&>class agrees okay well coming after we've <.>got i've got a reply in the mail here from the law society <{1><[1>saying they can't help us BUT telling me to write to that guy doctor iain hassel <,,> here we go and giving us his address so that's the next thing we'll do he's the commissioner of children in wellington and so he'll have the facts and figures on the child abuse sexual abuse etcetera and they also suggest that we can probably get that from the social welfare department so <{2><[2>we might <[1>oh did you <[2>do i need to write another letter we might just give them a ring yeah <&>3:00 yeah <{><[>okay so <[>social welfare? yeah so if anyone's got any other questions you want to discuss on that topic before we move on to the next one <,,><&>4 okay <,> well then over the page we've got two flow charts <,,> the first one is if a marriage breaks down aha you haven't got it no and the couple agree yes this is the end of it it's over then it can be usually sorted out quite amicably but if they've got DISagreements then there's problems so usually what happens here <,,> who knows how to read flow charts where does this start oh we start from the top from the top there <{><[>word marriage <[>starts at the oh okay thank you <,> right and then they've got a problem they want some changes okay they can EITHER <,> have counselling see the counsellor or coordinator of the family court then the <&>4:00 counsellor might send them on <,> might prepare a report who then sends them on to see lawyers if that's the way it's going to go who draws up a separation agreement OR they may become reconciled horo would you just mind turning the photocopy off please <.>i that noise is awful ta <,,> okay otherwise if they've decided that's it it's all over the next step is you've got to have two years apart <,> living apart you can't just decide oh they're going to get divorced and go and get it at the end of the week you've got to actually live apart for two years what you need a SEPARATION AGREEMENT because that is when the two years starts from when the separation agreement is drawn up but if you've been living apart for a couple of years and you've got no separation agreement you could have a few problems okay then after the two years apart you have this joint application and the court grants dissolution that means the divorce <,> and that's how it happens some of you your parents have been through that haven't they <{><[><,> no? <[>i think so yes <&>5:00 anyone's parents divorced how long <.>d you know if you've you've been granted the divorce well how how long how long do you got to wait for if you want to get remarried about ten seconds oh immediately <,> <{><[>laughs some people do though get divorced on one day and married the same day <,> what's stupid <,,><&>4 <[>that's stupid why word oh it'd be to a different person oh no i thought you <.>meant yeah <,> it must be to a different person but then you get people like elizabeth taylor who was married to richard burton and they got divorced and then she married him again and then they got divorced again and she didn't she marry him about three times <,> she must have just liked parties i think <,,> okay over the page <,,><&>3 and this is what happens if there's a marriage breakdown that the couple disagrees <,> okay obviously they want changes in <&>6:00 their marriage so they go and see a solicitor and you can't see the same solicitor when my brother and his wife split up they had this mate that was a solicitor <.>and and they thought oh they'd both go to this mate because it would be cheaper but the answer was no she had to have her own separate solicitor because if you're breaking up then the solicitor is working <.>for <,> for only one person okay if they're working for both of you they might sort of lean towards one person more than the other and one person might end up with a better deal at the end of it word my brother because he <.>worked it <.>was he was a cop and <.>he <,> and <.>it yeah cos she's a friend of his word terry terry yes who else laughs mad actually speaking of terry the children the young persons and their families act jumping the gun a bit here has changed the way the police operate in some instances now because when the police are driving down the street SOME police are driving down the street and if they see say <&>7:00 a young person fiddling with car doors or shop doors or whatever they used to get out and say what are you up to what's your name where do you live you know etcetera etcetera now they get out of their car and they say how old are you <,> and if they're under sixteen they say have a nice evening see you later BECAUSE there's so much hassle they have to go through when they're under sixteen they've got to call in their families they've got to call in the lawyer whereas in the past you could just cart them along to the station and deal with them do you remember that stephen slavich murder case in paeroa and that those two school boys shot that um farmer because they wanted to steal his car and they didn't realise that he was still sort of jammed in the door of the car and they dragged him a couple of kilometres along the road and he got he got killed and because he was shot as well but the the dragging along <{><[>the road killed him and um both boys got off because the police didn't follow the children and young persons and their families act things when they arrested them they didn't straight away get their families or get a lawyer in so their lawyer got them off on the technicality <&>8:00 <[>yeah that was gross one of the guys didn't yeah one of them did because he was over sixteen wasn't he but the one under sixteen got off on this <,> so you're right <,> anyone see bungay on crime last night yes bungay he had clever lawyers <,> can sort of um get people off if they've got lots of money he was word he lives here in rotorua mm what was the word oh i've actually videoed it so i'll show it to you in english because it's to do with media studies <,> because it was like a dramatisation so we'll look at it there mm okay now getting back to marriage breakdowns <,> and the solicitors <,> both parties apply for a separation and other allied orders both parties are supposed to go to counselling and have reports written by the counsellor and the counsellor will just say no this marriage is over it cannot be reconciled and then one party might be having an affair with someone else or <.>th there might be violence involved or something <.>they then <.>they're after the <&>9:00 counselling AGREE to reconcile or separate one way or the other or there might be no further action required after the counselling and the report then a court settlement is wanted so the mediation <.>conference <&>pronounced conferench conference can be arranged what's that <,,><&>3 that'll be to get this um separation order okay because it's a legal document <,> and these consent orders are an agreement to either reconcile or separate and that's in WRITING either saying they're going to get back together or they're not <.>the there may be specialist help required like counselling a counsel for the <.>chop children and you either end up with a defended hearing or orders made the orders could be for a divorce or a a hearing because it could be quite complicated discussing who's going to get what and all that <&>10:00 sort of carry on <,> so <.>what what can we learn from this <,,><&>3 how difficult is it to get married <&>several class members reply with comments like very easy etc word get married oh it's pretty easy isn't it <,> what do you need to get married a marriage licence yep and er parents' consent if you're under twenty witness and money for the party <,,> fall in <{><[>love <[>and word but that's <.>all that's all you need the marriage licence and that didn't cost very much did it around about <,> forty five forty five dollars or something yeah <,> but in order to get divorced it's much more complex and complicated so be very careful before you get married laughs it's hard to imagine if <,> this could ever happen to you at the time yeah it is yeah just get to know the person properly first and don't get married too young <,> i reckon you should wait till you're twenty five nah have your fun first <&>class laughs how old were YOU when you got married <&>ten minutes forty nine seconds to eleven minutes twenty seconds class and teacher discuss how old she and her brothers were when they were married okay the next thing we're going to look at is international divorce laws <,> the next page <,> er thanks darryl <&>eleven minutes thirty seven seconds to eleven minutes fifty eight seconds class looks for the right page okay we're going to look at other countries <,> <&>12:00 and see about the different divorce laws in those countries and they want to look at muslim countries and remember the muslims um <.>some some live in countries that people the women wear the veils on their faces or just a little slit eyes and um <{><[>in um word <[>word word he's a muslim and nice bedroom eh nice bedroom yeah and there's one word we won't comment any further on that laughs um and in some muslim countries men can have as many wives as they like BUT they have to be able to provide for them so they can't just have you know seven wives if they can't provide for them all they've got to be able to feed and clothe them and look after them so if they can only afford to have one wife then that's all they can have mm okay when you get married in a muslim country <&>13:00 you draw up a legal contract and you might say in your legal contract i want brass fittings right through my house or i want <.>a <,> a brick letter box i mean you could put in something really ridiculous if you wanted and if your husband backs over the letter box one day and it's gone well then you can say the marriage is over because you've broken the contract and you don't need to go through complex divorce cases and things if the contract is broken then that's it and you might put in the contract no mucking around okay er no other wives <,,> i'm the only one and if he goes and gets another wife then as far as you're concerned the contract's over and you're out of it far out <&>thirteen minutes thirty eight seconds to thirteen minutes fifty six seconds class comment on the idea of islamic marriages okay in china if the couple agree to divorce <&>14:00 they can register their divorce with the district people's government <&>14:03