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[^TEXT:  THE TRIAL OF LADY ALICE LISLE.
A COMPLETE COLLECTION OF STATE-TRIALS
AND PROCEEDINGS FOR HIGH-TREASON,
AND OTHER CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS;
FROM THE REIGN OF KING RICHARD II.
TO THE END OF THE REIGN OF KING GEORGE I.
SECOND EDITION, VOLS. I AND IV.
ED. F. HARGRAVE.
LONDON: PRINTED FOR J. WALTHOE SEN. ETC., 1730.
IV, PP. 113.C2.47 - 115.C2.5       (SAMPLE 1)
IV, PP. 120.C1.11 - 123.C2.12      (SAMPLE 2)^]

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<P IV,113C2>
(^L. C. J.^) Thou had'st need to know it very well,
for it seems thou wentest without a Candle or any
thing in the World, and put in thy Horse. Did'st
thou see that Man (^Carpenter^) the Bailiff that thou
spokest of?
(^Dunne.^) Mr. (^Carpenter^) gave my Horse Hay.
(^L. C. J.^) Was there any Light in the Stable?
(^Dunne.^) Not when I put in my Horse first.
(^L. C. J.^) Who brought the Light thither?
(^Dunne.^) Goodman (^Carpenter^) .
(^L. C. J.^) Did not he give thy Horse Hay?
(^Dunne.^) Yes, he did.
(^L. C. J.^) And did he not give him Oats too?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, he did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not he conduct you into the
House?
(^Dunne.^) Who, my Lord?
(^L. C. J.^) That same Goodman (^Carpenter^) .
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you see any body else but that Girl
you speak of?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I did see the Girl there.
(^L. C. J.^) But you Blockhead, I ask you whether
you did see any body else?
(^Dunne.^) I do not know but I might see Goodman
(^Carpenter^) .
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(^L. C. J.^) Why, thou said'st he brought the Light,
and gave thy Horse Hay; but I see thou art set
upon nothing but Prevarication: Sirrah, tell me
plainly, did you see no body else?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Not any body?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, not any one.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you not drink in the House?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, not a Drop.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not you call for Drink?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, I did not, I had nothing
but my Cake and Cheese that I brought thither my
self.
(^L. C. J.^) Who went up to the Chamber with
you?
(^Dunne.^) The Girl, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) And no body else?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Was the Bed made?
(^Dunne.^) Yes, my Lord, it was.
(^L. C. J.^) You eat nothing in the House, you
say?
(^Dunne.^) Nothing but my own Cake and Cheese,
my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) But you did not drink in the House at
all?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, I did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you drink at (^Marton^) , where you did
call upon (^Fane^) .
(^Dunne.^) Yes, I did, but not afterwards.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you see any body there the next
Morning before they were taken?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord; but after the House was
beset, I saw my Lady and Mr. (^Hicks^) , and I think
I saw Goodman (^Carpenter^) .
(^L. C. J.^) They and you were taken there together,
were not you?
(^Dunne.^) Yes.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you see (^Carpenter's^) Wife, upon
your Oath, that Night?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Nor no Woman-kind besides the Girl
you speak of?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Nor no Man besides (^Carpenter^) ?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) You are sure of this?
(^Dunne.^) I am so, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) You are sure you did not drink there?
(^Dunne.^) I am, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) And you say he brought the Light into
the Stable, and gave your Horse Hay?
(^Dunne.^) He did, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Now prithee tell me truly, where came
(^Carpenter^) unto you? I must know the Truth of
that; remember that I gave you fair Warning, do
not tell me a Lye, for I will be sure to treasure up
every Lye that thou tellest me, and thou may'st be
certain it will not be for thy Advantage: I would
not terrify thee to make thee say any thing but
the Truth: but assure thy self I never met with a
lying, sneaking, canting Fellow, but I always treasur'd
up Vengeance for him: and therefore look to
it, that thou dost not prevaricate with me, for to
be sure thou wilt come to the worst of it in the end?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I will tell the Truth as near as
I can.
(^L. C. J.^) Then tell me where (^Carpenter^) met thee?
(^Dunne.^) In the Court, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Before you came to the Gate, or after?
(^Dunne.^) It was after we came to the Gate, in the
Court.
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(^L. C. J.^) Then tell me, and I charge you tell me
true, who was with you when (^Carpenter^) met you?
(^Dunne.^) (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp^) .
(^L. C. J.^) Was there any body else besides them
two in the Court?
(^Dunne.^) There was no body but (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp^) ,
and I and Mr. (^Carpenter^) .
(^L. C. J.^) You are sure of that?
(^Dunne.^) Yes, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Consider of it, are you sure there was
no body else?
(^Dunne.^) Truly, my Lord, I did not mind that
there was any body else.
(^L. C. J.^) Recollect your self, and consider well of
it.
(^Dunne.^) Truly, my Lord, I do not know of any
body else.
(^L. C. J.^) Now upon your Oath tell me truly,
who it was that opened the Stable-door, was it
(^Carpenter^) or you?
(^Dunne.^) It was (^Carpenter^) , my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Why, thou vile Wretch didst not thou
tell me just now that thou pluck'd up the Latch?
Dost thou take the God of Heaven not to be a
God of Truth, and that he is not a Witness of all
thou say'st? Dost thou think because thou prevaricatest
with the Court here, thou can'st do so with
God above, who knows thy Thoughts, and it is infinite
Mercy, that for those Falshoods of thine, he
does not immediately strike thee into Hell? Jesus
God! there is no sort of Conversation nor human
Society to be kept with such People as these are,
who have no other Religion but only in Pretence,
and no way to uphold themselves but by countenancing
Lying and Villany: Did not you tell me that
you opened the Latch your self, and that you saw no
body else but a Girl? How durst you offer to tell
such horrid Lyes in the presence of God and of a
Court of Justice? Answer me one Question more:
Did he pull down the Hay or you?
(^Dunne.^) I did not pull down any Hay at all.
(^L. C. J.^) Was there any Hay pull'd down before
the Candle was brought?
(^Dunne.^) No, there was not.
(^L. C. J.^) Who brought the Candle?
(^Dunne.^) Mr. (^Carpenter^) brought the Candle and
Lanthorn.
(^L. C. J.^) It seems the Saints have a certain Charter
for Lying; they may lye and cant, and deceive,
and rebel, and think God Almighty takes no notice
of it, nor will reckon with them for it: You see,
Gentlemen, what a precious Fellow this is, a very
pretty Tool to be employ'd upon such an Errand,
a Knave that no body would trust for half a Crown
between Man and Man, but he is the fitter to be
employ'd about such Works; what Pains is a Man
at to get the Truth out of these Fellows, and it is
with a great deal of Labour, that we can squeeze
one Drop out of them? A (^Turk^) has more Title to
an Eternity of Bliss than these Pretenders to Christianity,
for he has more Morality and Honesty in
him. Sirrah, I charge you in the presence of God,
tell me true, What other Persons did you see that
Night?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I did not see any than what I
have told you already.
(^L. C. J.^) Then they went out and brought word
that thou wert come, and so he came out to meet
thee. Very well: I would have every body that has
but the least Tang of Saintship to observe the Carriage
of this Fellow, and see how they can cant and
snivel, and lye, and forswear themselves, and all for
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the Good Old Cause: They will stick at nothing, if
they think they can but preserve a Brother or Sister
Saint forsooth; they can do any thing in the world
but speak Truth, and do their Duty to God and
their Governours: I ask you again, Did not (^Carpenter^)
meet you before you left (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp^) ?
(^Dunne.^) No, he did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Then I ask you again once more, did
not (^Carpenter^) ask you to drink?
(^Dunne.^) No, he did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not he light you with a Lanthorn
and Candle into the House?
(^Dunne.^) I went into the House.
(^L. C. J.^) Dost thou believe we think any body
thrust thee in: Did he light thee in, I ask thee?
(^Dunne.^) I went in along with Mr. (^Carpenter^) .
(^L. C. J.^) What Room did he carry you into?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, he carried me into no Room,
the young Woman shew'd me into a Room.
(^L. C. J.^) What Room was it?
(^Dunne.^) Into the Chamber.
(^L. C. J.^) Was not thou in the Hall or Kitchen?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) It is hard thou hadst not one Cup of
Drink to thy Cake and Cheese.
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I had never a Drop.
(^L. C. J.^) No, nor did no body ask you to eat or
drink?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Thou art the best-natur'd Fellow that
ever I met with, but the worst rewarded. Come,
I will ask thee another Question: When was the first
time thou heard'st (^Nelthorp's^) Name?
(^Dunne.^) Not till he was taken.
(^L. C. J.^) What Name did the Fellow with the
black Beard tell thee he had?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, he never told me any Name?
(^L. C. J.^) Didst thou never ask him his Name?
(^Dunne,^) No, my Lord, that Man that was afterwards
found to be (^Nelthorp^) , I did not know to be
(^Nelthorp^) till he was taken, nor what his Name was,
nor any Name he had.
(^L. C. J.^) No, prithee tell the Truth, did not (^Nelthorp^)
go by the Name of (^Crofts^) ?
(^Dunne.^) He did, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Then prithee, when did he first go by
that Name in thy Hearing?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I only heard (^Hicks^) say he went
by the Name of (^Crofts^) .
(^L. C. J.^) When was that?
(^Dunne.^) When they were taken.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you not hear him call'd by that
Name any time of the Journey?
(^Dunne.^) I cannot recollect, my Lord, that I ever did.
(^L. C. J.^) Thou canst recollect nothing of Truth:
Is this as much as you can say?
(^Dunne.^) It is, my Lord.
Mr. (^Jennings.^) You say (^Carpenter^) met you very
civilly, and took care of your Horse: Did he
make no Provision for (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp's^) Horses?
What became of them?
(^Dunne.^) I cannot tell, my Lord.
Mr. (^Rumsey.^) Did you see their Horses afterwards?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, I did not.
Mr. (^Rumsey.^) When they alighted from them,
were they ty'd fast to the Gate, or how?
(^Dunne.^) They were not ty'd at all, as I know of.
Mr. (^Jennings.^) Did you tell (^Carpenter^) that their
Horses were there?
(^Dunne.^) I did not tell him any such thing.
(^L. C. J.^) Thou art a strange prevaricating, shuffling,
sniveling, lying Rascal.
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Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) We will set him by for the present,
and call (^Barter^) , that is the other Fellow.
(^L. C. J.^) Will the Prisoner ask this Person any
Questions?
(^Lisle.^) No.

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<P IV,120C1>

(^Lisle.^) My Lord, I hope I shall not be condemned
without being heard.
(^L. C. J.^) No, God forbid, Mrs. (^Lisle^) ; that was
a sort of practice in your Husband's time; you
know very well what I mean: But God be thanked,
it is not so now; the King's Courts of Law never
condemn without hearing. Col. (^Penruddock^) , have
you any more to say?
Col. (^Penruddock.^) No, my Lord; but here is one
Mr. (^Dowding^) , that was with me when I searched
the House.
(^L. C. J.^) Swear him.
(^Which was done.^)
Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) Mr. (^Dowding^) , pray did you go
with Col. (^Penruddock^) to Mrs. (^Lisle's^) House?
Mr. (^Dowding.^) Yes, my Lord: We came to the
House, and beset the House round, some to the
back Gate, and some to the fore Gate; we called
almost half an hour before we got in; and had
found two, and we came to my Lady; she said, she
knew nothing of any body being in the House -  
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, this Fellow that now speaks
against me, broke open my Trunk, and stole away
a great part of my best Linen; and sure, my Lord,
those Persons that rob me, are not fit to be Evidences
against me, because it behoves them that I
be convicted, to prevent their being indicted for
Felony.
(^L. C. J.^) Look you, Friend, you say you went
with Col. (^Penruddock^) to search the House, did you
find any body there?
(^Dowding.^) Yes, my Lord, I found this same
(^Dunne^) in a little hole in the Malt-house.
(^L. C. J.^) Was he covered, or not?
(^Dowding.^) He had taken some stuff or other to
cover him.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you find (^Hicks^) there?
(^Dowding.^) Yes, my Lord, we did find one that
said his Name was (^Hicks^) .
(^L. C. J.^) Is that the same (^Hicks^) that is in              #
(^Salisbury^)
Goal?
(^Dowding.^) Yes, my Lord, it is; I saw him yesterday
at the (^George^) in (^Salisbury^) , when he had that
Discourse with those other Gentlemen.
Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) Swear (^Carpenter^) and his Wife.
(^Which was done.^)
(^Dowding.^) My Lord, (^Hicks^) acknowledged before
me, that he was at (^Keinsham^) , in the Duke of (^Monmouth's^)
Army.
Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) Come, Mrs. (^Carpenter^) , tell my
Lord and the Jury, did you know the Time when
these Men came to your Lady's House?
(^L. C. J.^) Is this the Bailiff's Wife?
Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) Yes, my Lord, it is.
(^L. C. J.^) Well then, what say you to the Question:
Do you know the Time when they came?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) Yes, my Lord, they came at night.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you see them there?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) Yes.
(^L. C. J.^) Were they lodged there?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) Yes; but I never made the Bed.
(^L. C. J.^) Who did?
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Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, I cannot tell.
(^L. C. J.^) Had they any Supper, or Victuals there?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) Yes, they had.
(^L. C. J.^) Who dress'd it?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) I did.
(^L. C. J.^) By whose Order did you dress it?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) By my Lady's Order.
(^L. C. J.^) Prithee where did they eat their Meat?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) In the Chamber, my Lord, where
they lay.
(^L. C. J.^) Who was with them?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, I cannot tell, for I
did not stay in the Room.
(^L. C. J.^) Didst thou see them when they came
into the Room?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, I dress'd the Meat,
and carried it within the Door, and my Husband
set it upon the Table.
(^L. C. J.^) Prithee tell me who was with them:
Was thy Lady there?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) My Lady was in presence there
then.
(^L. C. J.^) How long did they stay below stairs before
they went up?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) Truly, my Lord, I cannot tell.
(^L. C. J.^) Did your Lady use to sup below stairs or
above?
Mrs. (^Carpenter.^) She used to sup below, my
Lord.
Mr. (^Pollexsen.^) My Lord, if your Lordship please,
this Woman and her Husband are both unwilling
Witnesses; but we will examine the Husband, and
see what we can get out of him. Hark you, (^Carpenter^) ,
did you meet with this Fellow, (^Dunne^) , at
his first coming to your Lady's House?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) Yes, my Lord, I did see him
there on the (^Saturday^) .
(^L. C. J.^) Well then, let me ask you a Question;
and be sure you tell me the Truth, for it may be I
know it already; did he offer you a Letter to be
deliver'd to your Lady?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) What do you say, (^Barter^) ?
(^Barter.^) I saw him produce it to Mr. (^Carpenter^) ,
but he refused to meddle with it.
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, he asked me, if my
Lady would give Entertainment to one (^Hicks^) , and
another Person, but he did not know who that Person
was.
(^L. C. J.^) Did he speak of another Person?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) Yes, he did.
(^L. C. J.^) Who was that other Person?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) I did ask his Name, but he said,
he did not know him.
(^L. C. J.^) Well then, when they came there on
the (^Tuesday-night^) , how did you receive them?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) I did not receive them.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not you light the Candle, and bring
it in a Lanthorn, to light him into the Stable?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, that was afterwards.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not you bring the Men into the
House?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) No, my Lord, indeed I did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not you see them all night?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) Yes, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Then where did you see them first?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) In the Room where they supp'd
and lay.
(^L. C. J.^) Did not you meet them in the
Courtyard?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) No, my Lord.
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(^L. C. J.^) Who gave you Directions to light (^Dunne^)
into the Stable?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) They told me his Horse was out
in the Yard.
(^L. C. J.^) Who told you so?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) The Men did.
(^L. C. J.^) Where did they sup?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) In the Room above stairs.
(^L. C. J.^) Who supp'd along with them?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) I cannot say any body supp'd
with them.
(^L. C. J.^) Was not my Lady there?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) She was in the Room, but I did
not see her eat any thing.
(^L. C. J.^) What time of the night did they come?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) About Ten of the Clock.
(^L. C. J.^) And where did they lie?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) In the Room where they supped.
(^L. C. J.^) Who lay there?
Mr. (^Capenter.^) (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp^) lay there.
(^L. C. J.^) Was (^Nelthorp^) named there?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) No, I never heard of his Name
till after he was taken.
(^L. C. J.^) What kind of a Man was he?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) A tall, thin, black Man.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, what can you say more?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, this Person has swore,
that a Letter was offered me, but I refused it;
but I assure your Lordship I never saw any Letter.
(^Barter.^) I am sure he met you, and, as I remember,
there was a Letter produced.
(^L. C. J.^) Thou should'st not be angry with him,
for he spoke very kindly of thee, that thou refused'st
to meddle in it, and thereupon (^Dunne^) went into
thy Lady, and deliver'd his Message to her.
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) That, my Lord, I acknowledge.
(^L. C. J.^) Then, prithee let me ask thee another
Question: Did you carry any Beer up into the
Room?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lady gave order for the
Provision.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you make (^Dunne^) drink?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) No, I did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you offer him any Drink?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, I did not see him
drink at all.
(^L. C. J.^) What say you, good Woman; Did not
your Lady sup there?
Mr. (^Carpenter.^) My Lord, my Wife was little
there at all?
Mr. (^Rumsey.^) Now, my Lord, (^Dunne^) says he will
tell all, whether it make for him or against him.
(^L. C. J.^) Let him but tell the Truth, and I am
satisfied.
(^Dunne.^) Sure, my Lord, I never entertained these
Men a night in my House in my Life; but this
(^Hicks^) sent that Man to me, to go to my Lady (^Lisle's^) ,
to know whether she would please to entertain him:
And when I came, my Lady asked me, whether he
had been in the Army or no? I told her, I could
not tell, I did not know that he was. She then ask'd
me, if he had no body else with him? I told her, I
believed there was: This is the very Truth of it,
my Lord. I asked her, might the Men be entertain'd?
She said they might. So when we came to
my Lady (^Lisle's^) , on the (^Tuesday^) night, somebody
took the two Horses, I cannot tell who, if I were
to die; the two went in; and after I had set up my
Horse, I went in along with (^Carpenter^) up into the
Chamber to my Lady, and to this (^Hicks^) and (^Nelthorp^) ;
and when I came there, I heard my Lady
bid them welcome to her House; and Mr. (^Carpenter^) ,
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or the Maid, I cannot tell which, brought in
the Supper, and set it on the Table.
(^L. C. J.^) And did'st thou eat or drink with 'em in
the Room, or not?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I will tell every thing that I
know; I confess I did both eat and drink there in
the Room.
(^L. C. J.^) I pity thee with all my Soul, and pray
to God Almighty for thee to forgive thee, and to
the blessed Jesus to mediate for thee; and I pray
for thee with as much earnestness, as I would for my
own Soul; and I beg of thee once more, as thou
regardest thy own eternal Welfare, to tell all the
Truth.
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I did never know these Men
were in the Army when I carried the Message to
my Lady (^Lisle's^) , nor never did entertain them in
my House in my life-time, so much as one Night.
(^L. C. J.^) Prithee, I do not ask thee what thou
did'st not, but what thou did'st?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I will tell all I know.
(^L. C. J.^) What Discourse had you that Night at
the Table in the Room?
(^Dunne.^) I cannot tell what Discourse truly, my
Lord, there was.
(^L. C. J.^) Was there nothing of coming from beyond
Seas, who came from thence, and how they
came? Come, I would have it rather the Effect of
thy own Ingenuity, than lead thee by any Questions
that I can propound; come, tell us what was the
Discourse.
(^Dunne.^) I do not remember all the Discourse.
(^L. C. J.^) Prithee, let me ask thee one Question,
and answer me it fairly; Did'st not thou hear (^Nelthorp's^)
Name named in the Room?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I cannot tell whether he were
called (^Nelthorp^) , but it was either (^Crofts^) or           #
(^Nelthorp^) ,
I am sure one of them.
(^L. C. J.^) Prithee be ingenuous, and let's have the
Truth on't?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I am ingenuous, and will be
so.
(^L. C. J.^) I will assure you, (^Nelthorp^) told me all
the Story before I came out of Town?
(^Dunne.^) I think, my Lord, he was called (^Nelthorp^)
in the Room, and there was some Discourse about
him.
(^L. C. J.^) Ay, there was unquestionably, and I
know thou wert by, and that made me the more
concern'd to press upon thee the Danger of forswearing
thy self.
(^Dunne.^) My Lady ask'd (^Hicks^) who that Gentleman
was, and he said it was (^Nelthorp^) , as I
remember.
(^L. C. J.^) Very well, and upon that Discourse with
(^Nelthorp^) , which I had in Town, did I give particular
Direction, that the Outlawry of (^Nelthorp^) should
be brought down hither, for he told me particularly
of all the Passages and Discourses of his being beyond
Sea, and coming from beyond Sea: I would
not mention any such thing as any piece of Evidence
to influence this case, but I could not but tremble
to think, after what I knew, that any one should
dare so much to prevaricate with God and Man, as
to tell such horrid Lyes in the Face of a Court.
(^Dunne.^) What does your Lordship ask me?
(^L. C. J.^) Come, I will ask thee a plain Question;
Was there no Discourse there about the Battle, and
of their being in the Army?
(^Dunne.^) There was some such Discourse, my
Lord.
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(^L. C. J.^) Ay, prithee now tell us what that Discourse
was?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, I will tell you when I have re-collected
it, if you will give me time till to-morrow
Morning.
(^L. C. J.^) Nay, but we cannot stay so long, our
Business must be dispatched now; but I would have
all People consider what a Reason there is, that
they should be pressed to join with me in hearty
Prayers to Almighty God, that this Sin of Lying
and Perjury may never be laid at thy door. What
say'st thou? Prithee tell us what the Discourse was?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, they did talk of Fighting,
but I cannot exactly tell what the Discourse was?
(^L. C. J.^) And thou said'st thou did'st eat and drink
with them in the same Room?
(^Dunne.^) I did so, my Lord, I confess it.
(^L. C. J.^) And it was not a little Girl that lighted
thee to Bed, or conducted thee in?
(^Dunne.^) It was not a little Girl.
(^L. C. J.^) Who was it then?
(^Dunne.^) It was Mr. (^Carpenter^) , my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) And why did'st thou tell so many Lyes
then? Jesu God! that we should live to see any
such Creatures among Mankind, nay, and among
us too, to the Shame and Reproach be it spoken of
our Nation and Religion: Is this that that is called
the Protestant Religion, a thing so much boasted
of, and pretended to? We have heard a great deal
of Clamour against Popery and Dispensations, what
Dispensations pray does the Protestant Religion
give for such Practices as these? I pity thee with all
my Soul, and pray for thee, but it cannot but
make all Mankind to tremble and be filled with
Horror, that such a wretched Creature should live
upon the Earth: Prithee be free, and tell us what
Discourse there was?
(^Dunne.^) My Lord, they did talk of Fighting, but
I cannot remember what it was.
(^L. C. J.^) Did you lie with them?
(^Dunne.^) No, my Lord, I did not.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, I see thou wilt answer nothing ingenuously,
therefore I will trouble my self no more
with thee: Go on with your Evidence, Gentlemen.
Mr. (^Jennings.^) My Lord, we have done, we
have no more Witnesses.
(^L. C. J.^) Then you that are for the Prisoner at
the Bar, now is your time to make your Defence;
you hear what is charged upon you, and
you see what a kind of Shuffling here has been to stifle
the Truth, and I am sorry to find the Occasion
to speak it, that under the Figure and Form of Religion
such Practices should be carried on. What
have you to say for your self?
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, that which I have to say to it,
is this: I knew of no body's coming to my House
but Mr. (^Hicks^) , and for him I was inform'd that he
did abscond, by reason of Warrants that were out
against him for preaching in private Meetings, but
I never heard that he was in the Army, nor that (^Nelthorp^)
was to come with him; and for that Reason it
was, that I sent to him to come by night: but for the
other Man (^Nelthorp^) , I never knew he was (^Nelthorp^) ,
I could die upon it, nor did not know what Name
he had, till after he came into my House; but as
for Mr. (^Hicks^) , I did not in the least suspect him to
have been in the Army, being a Presbyterian Minister,
that used to preach, and not to fight.
(^L. C. J.^) But I will tell you, there is not one of
those lying, sniveling, canting, Presbyterian Rascals,
but one way or other had a hand in the late
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horrid Conspiracy and Rebellion; upon my Conscience
I believe it, and would have been as deep in
the actual Rebellion, had it had any little Success,
as that other Fellow (^Hicks^) ; their Principles carry
them to it: Presbytery has all manner of Villainy
in it, nothing but Presbytery could lead that Fellow
(^Dunne^) to tell so many Lyes as he has here told;
for shew me a Presbyterian, and I will engage to
shew a lying Knave.
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, I abhorred both the Principles
and Practices of the late Rebellion.
(^L. C. J.^) I am sure you had great reason for it.
(^Lisle.^) Besides, my Lord, I should have been the
most ungrateful Person living, should I have been
disloyal, or acted any thing against the present King,
considering how much I was obliged to him for
my Estate.
(^L. C. J.^) Oh then! Ungrateful, ungrateful adds
to the Load which is between Man and Man, and
is the basest Crime that any one can be guilty of.
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, had I been try'd in (^London^) , I
could have had my Lady (^Abergavenny^) , and several
other Persons of Quality, that could have testified
how much I was against this Rebellion, and with
what Detestation I spoke against it, during the time
of it; for I was all that time at (^London^) , and staid
there till after the Duke of (^Monmouth^) was beheaded;
and if I had certainly known the time of
my Trial in the Country, I could have had the
Testimony of those Persons of Honour for me.
But, my Lord, I am told, and so I thought it
would have been, that I should not have been try'd
as a Traitor for harbouring him, till he was Convict
for a Traitor. My Lord, I would take my
Death of it, that I never knew of (^Nelthorp's^) coming,
nor any thing of his being (^Nelthorp^) ; I never
ask'd his Name, and if he had told it me, I had
then remember'd the Proclamation. I do assure
you, my Lord, for my own part, I did abhor
those that were in that horrid Plot and Conspiracy
against the King's Life; I know my Duty to my
King better, and have always exercised it, I defy
any body in the world that ever knew the contrary,
to come and give Testimony.
(^L. C. J.^) Have you any more to say?
(^Lisle.^) As to what they say of my denying (^Nelthorp^)
to be in my House, I was in great Consternation
and Fear of the Soldiers, who were very rude
and violent, and could not be restrained by their
Officers from Robbery, and plundering my House.
And I beseech your Lordship to make that Construction
of it; and I humbly beg of your Lordship
not to harbour an ill Opinion of me, because
of those false Reports that go about of me, relating
to my Carriage towards the old King, that I was
any ways consenting to the Death of King (^Charles^) I.
for, my Lord, that is as false as God is true; my
Lord, I was not out of my Chamber all the day,
in which that King was beheaded, and I believe I
shed more Tears for him, than any Woman then
living did; and this the late Countess of (^Monmouth^) ,
and my Lady (^Marlborough^) , and my Lord Chancellor
(^Hyde^) , if they were alive, and twenty Persons
of the most eminent Quality, could bear witness
for me. And I do repeat it, my Lord, as I hope
to attain Salvation, I never did know (^Nelthrop^) , nor
never did see him before in my Life, nor did I
know of any body's coming, but Mr. (^Hicks^) , and
him I did know to be a Nonconformist Minister;
and there being, as is well known, Warrants out to
apprehend all Nonconformist Ministers, I was willing
to give him shelter from these Warrants. I
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was come down but that Week into the Country,
when this Man came to me from Mr. (^Hicks^) , to know
if he might be receiv'd at my House; and I told
him, if Mr. (^Hicks^) pleas'd, he might come upon
(^Tuesday^) in the Evening, and should be welcome;
but withal I told him, I must go away the (^Monday^)
following from that place, but while I staid I would
entertain him. And I beseech your Lordship to
believe, I had no intention to harbour him but as a
Nonconformist, and that I knew was no Treason:
It cannot be imagined, that I would venture the
hazard of my own Life, and the Ruin both of myself
and Children, to conceal one that I never knew
in my Life, as I did not know Mr. (^Nelthorp^) , but
had heard of him in the Proclamation. And for
that white-headed Man that speaks of my denying
them, as I said before, he was one of them that
rifled and plunder'd my House, and tore open my
Trunk; and if I should not be convicted, he and
the rest of them may be call'd to account for what
they did, for they ought not to have meddled with
my Goods: Besides, my Lord, I have a Witness
that can testify what Mr. (^Nelthorp^) said, when he
was examined before -  
(^L. C. J.^) Look you, Mrs. (^Lisle^) , that will signify
little; but if you have any Witnesses, call them,
we will hear what they say: Who is that Man you
speak of?
(^Lisle.^) (^George Creed^) his Name is; there he is.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, what do you know?
(^Creed.^) I heard (^Nelthorp^) say, that my Lady (^Lisle^)
did not know of his coming, nor did not know his
Name; nor had he ever told his name, till he
named himself to Col. (^Penruddock^) when he was
taken.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, this is nothing; she is not indicted
for harbouring (^Nelthorp^) , but (^Hicks^) : Have
you any more Witnesses?
(^Lisle.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Have you any more to say for
yourself?
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, I came but five days before this
into the Country -  
(^L. C. J.^) Nay, I cannot tell when you came into
the Country, nor I do not care; it seems you came
time enough to harbour Rebels.
(^Lisle.^) I staid in (^London^) till all the Rebellion was
past and over; and I never uttered a good Word
for the Rebels, nor ever harbour'd so much as a
good Wish for them in my Mind: I know the King
is my Sovereign, and I know my Duty to him,
and if I would have ventured my Life for any thing,
it should have been to serve him, I know it is his
due, and I owed all I had in the World to him:
But tho' I could not fight for him my self, my Son
did; he was actually in Arms on the King's side in
this Business; I instructed him always in Loyalty,
and sent him thither; it was I that bred him up to
fight for the King.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, have you done?
(^Lisle.^) Yes, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Have you a mind to say any thing
more?
(^Lisle.^) No, my Lord.
(^L. C. J.^) Then command Silence.
(^Which was done by Proclamation.^)
(^Lisle.^) My Lord, may I speak one word more?
My Lord, I beseech you afford me your Patience
and your Advice; (^Keinsham^) , where Mr. (^Hicks^) is
said to be in Arms, does not lie in this County.
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(^L. C. J.^) That is nothing: But the Treason you
committed was in this County.
(^Lisle.^) But I assure your Lordship I never knew
he was in the Army; and for any Talk or Discourse
in private about his or (^Nelthorp's^) being
there, I never heard any: indeed one of them
asked me, whether the Duke of (^Monmouth^) was beheaded;
and I told them, yes, for so he was before
I came out of Town: And that is all the Discourse
that I can remember, wherein he is concerned.
(^L. C. J.^) Well, have you any more to say now?
(^Lisle.^) No, my Lord.



