 5 1   1   10 1 1 h    11  he`d have had ^people to be . n/ice to him#        / 
 5 1   1   20 1 1 h    11  to ^show him r/ound# .                             / 
 5 1   1   30 1 2 h    11  if he`d been ^introduced :properly and decently to / 
 5 1   1   30 1 1 h    11  :army l/ife#                                       / 
 5 1   1   40 1 2 h    11  he would "^not have been followed by . :press      / 
 5 1   1   40 1 1 h    11  photographers and :press rep\orters# -             / 
 5 1   1   50 1 1 h    11  the ^second f\eature# -                            / 
 5 1   1   60 1 1 h    11  which ^I think is depl\/orable#                    / 
 5 1   1   70 1 2 h    11  is the ^kind of :savage :way we :feel about this   / 
 5 1   1   70 1 1 h    11  :wretched m\an# -                                  / 
 5 1   1   80 1 2 h    11  his ^mother de:scribes him as a . :chap who`s been / 
 5 1   1   80 1 1 h    11  neur:otic ever since he was a :child of tw/o# .    / 
 5 1   1   90 1 3 h    11  he ^suddenly finds that he`s :got this             / 
 5 1   1   90 1 2 h    11  extra:ordinary . :incapacity of being :able to     / 
 5 1   1   90 1 1 h    11  :sing in a :normal v\oice#                         / 
 5 1   1  100 1 2 h    11  ((but)) ^making this awful sort of :high fal:setto / 
 5 1   1  100 1 1 h    11  th\ing#                                            / 
 5 1   1  110 1 1 h    11  with ^full echo \on# -                             / 
 5 1   1  120 1 1 h    11  which ^sends :teenagers cr/azy# -                  / 
 5 1   1  130 1 1 h    11  he ^suddenly f\inds#                               / 
 5 1   1  140 1 1 h    11  in^stead of earning :five or six quid a w/eek# .   / 
 5 1   1  150 1 1 h    11  in a ^f/actory# .                                  / 
 5 1   1  160 1 2 h    11  he is ^earning :three hundred and fifty or :five   / 
 5 1   1  160 1 1 h    11  hundred :quid a w/eek#                             / 
 5 1   2  170 1 1 h    11  ((or)) what^ever it /is# -                         / 
 5 1   2  180 1 2 h    11  he ^suddenly finds he is :due to be :called up in  / 
 5 1   2  180 1 1 h    11  the /army#                                         / 
 5 1   2  190 1 1 h    11  after a ^lot of tr/oubles#                         / 
 5 1   2  200 1 1 h    11  be^f/orehand# -                                    / 
 5 1   2  210 1 1 h    11  [@] he`s he ^doesn`t get /out of it#               / 
 5 1   2  220 1 1 h    11  I should ex^pect he c\ould have got /out of it#    / 
 5 1   2  230 1 1 h    11  but he ^d\oesn`t# .                                / 
 5 1   2  240 1 1 h    11  he ^gets into the /army#                           / 
 5 1   2  250 1 1 h    11  he ^makes up his mind to make a sh/ow of it# -     / 
 5 1   2  260 1 2 h    11  and . he ^even employs a . :ex-soldier to :tell him/ 
 5 1   2  260 1 1 h    11  what the army is l\ike#                            / 
 5 1   2  270 1 1 h    11  ^f=irst# .                                         / 
 5 1   2  280 1 1 h    11  the ^poor chap comes al/ong# .                     / 
 5 1   2  290 1 1 h    11  ^f\ollowed by the pr/ess# .                        / 
 5 1   2  300 1 1 h    11  he ^f=ails# .                                      / 
 5 1   2  310 1 1 h    11  ^out he g\oes# .                                   / 
 5 1   2  320 1 1 h    11  and the ^second deplorable thing ab/out it# -      / 
 5 1   2  330 1 1 h    11  ^is the f\act# .                                   / 
 5 1   2  340 1 1 h    11  ^that . :th/is ch\ap# .                            / 
 5 1   2  350 1 1 h    11  a ^neur:\otic# -                                   / 
 5 1   2  360 1 1 h    11  his ^mother calls him a neur/otic#                 / 
 5 1   2  370 1 1 h    11  from the ^age of tw/o# .                           / 
 5 1   3  380 1 2 h    11  who ^can`t stick in the army for :twenty-four      / 
 5 1   3  380 1 1 h    11  h/ours#                                            / 
 5 1   3  390 1 1 h    11  is the ^kind of p/erson#                           / 
 5 1   3  400 1 1 h    11  who is ^made a public idol of the :d\ay# -         / 
 5 1   3  410 1 1 h    11  I`m ^s/orry for the _chap#                         / 
 5 1   3  420 1 1 h    11  I`m ^sure he`s a . ":jolly decent ch\ap#           / 
 5 1   3  430 1 1 h    11  but . ^r/\eally# .                                 / 
 5 1   3  440 1 2 h    12  ^should he "^is that the kind of man to have as a  / 
 5 1   3  440 1 1 h    12  :public \idol# .                                   / 
 5 1   3  450 1 1 h    11  of ^t/eenagers#                                    / 
 5 1   3  460 1 1 h    11  of ^m/ums#                                         / 
 5 1   3  470 1 1 h    11  at the . ^s/ink#                                   / 
 5 1   3  480 1 1 h    11  and ^anything \else# -                             / 
 5 1   3  490 1 1 h    11  and and the ^third deplorable thing ab/out it#     / 
 5 1   3  500 1 1 h    11  is my ^own !feelings about th\is# -                / 
 5 1   3  510 1 1 h    11  there`s ^something that makes us feel s\avage#     / 
 5 1   3  520 1 1 h    11  a^bout these rock and roll s\ingers# .             / 
 5 1   3  530 1 1 h    11  and ^I hate it :in mys/elf#                        / 
 5 1   3  540 1 1 h    11  and I ^see it in a :lot of other ":p\eople# -      / 
 5 1   3  550 1 1 h    11  now it`s ^only about a :year a:g\/o# -             / 
 5 1   3  560 1 1 h    11  that . ^on this pr/ogramme# .                      / 
 5 1   3  570 1 2 h    11  ^we were asked about I :think it was :Tommy        / 
 5 1   3  570 1 1 h    11  St\eele#                                           / 
 5 1   4  580 1 1 h    11  being ^m\obbed#                                    / 
 5 1   4  590 1 2 h    11  and ^I remember making some :perfectly :h\orrible  / 
 5 1   4  590 1 1 h    11  rem/arks#                                          / 
 5 1   4  600 1 1 h    11  and saying ^w/ell# .                               / 
 5 1   4  610 1 1 h    11  they`re the ^occupational h/azards#                / 
 5 1   4  620 1 1 h    11  of ^being a rock and roll s/inger#                 / 
 5 1   4  630 1 1 h    11  and he de^served what he g\ot#                     / 
 5 1   4  640 1 2 h    11  and ((he [w@])) he ^must be a horrible man to :make/ 
 5 1   4  640 1 1 h    11  this :horrible :n\oise#                            / 
 5 1   4  650 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1   4  660 1 1(h    11  ^w/ell# -                                          / 
 5 1   4  670 1 2 h    11  I ^now ((I)) know that :I was com:pletely          / 
 5 1   4  670 1 1 h    11  "wr\ong# .                                         / 
 5 1   4  680 1 2 h    11  I ^know [?] :quite a lot of people who kn\ow Tommy / 
 5 1   4  680 1 1 h    11  St/eele#                                           / 
 5 1   4  690 1 1 h    11  who`ve ^/acted with him#                           / 
 5 1   4  700 1 1 h    11  who`ve ^met him in the course of his prof/ession#  / 
 5 1   4  710 1 1 h    11  I`m ^told he`s an absolutely "gr\and chap# -       / 
 5 1   4  720 1 1 h    11  I ^st\ill# .                                       / 
 5 1   4  730 1 1 h    11  "^hate . the :s\ound he m/akes# .                  / 
 5 1   4  740 1 2 h    11  when he ^sings down that thing with the :echo      / 
 5 1   4  740 1 1 h    11  turned /on# .                                      / 
 5 1   5  750 1 1 h    11  ((and)) ^stereophonic and all the r/est# -         / 
 5 1   5  760 1 1 h    11  but ^what I hate [s] . :still m/ore# .             / 
 5 1   5  770 1 1 h    11  is I ^hate the feelings in mys\elf# .              / 
 5 1   5  780 1 2 h    11  and there`s ^something very !f\unny about this     / 
 5 1   5  780 1 1 h    11  'rock and roll b/usiness# -                        / 
 5 1   5  790 1 1 h    11  and this ^teenage squealing ab/out it# .           / 
 5 1   5  800 1 2 h    11  that ^raises these savage feelings in our ordinary / 
 5 1   5  800 1 1 h    11  . :decent br\easts#                                / 
 5 1   5  810 1 1 f    11  (laughs) ^Ted L\eather#                            / 
 5 1   5  820 1 1 tl   11  well I ^guess my :ordinary :decent :br\/east#      / 
 5 1   5  830 1 1 tl   11  is a ^little :different than R\obert`s#            / 
 5 1   5  840 1 1 ?    11  I ^bet it \is#                                     / 
 5 1   5  850 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1   5  860 1 1 f    11  ^fair en/ough#                                     / 
 5 1   5  870 1 1 tl   11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 1   5  880 1 2 tl   12  ^I I [@] - I [th] . I ^I won`t have :rock and roll / 
 5 1   5  880 1 1 tl   12  att\acked#                                         / 
 5 1   6  890 1 3 tl   11  ^I think a :healthy . ex!uberant ex:pression of    / 
 5 1   6  890 1 2 tl   11  :energy and :noise for :young people`s a           / 
 5 1   6  890 1 1 tl   11  :thoroughly good th\ing# -                         / 
 5 1   6  900 1 1 tl   11  [@:m] - we were ^asked what our v\iews were#       / 
 5 1   6  910 1 1 tl   11  I would ^say :quite tr\/uthfully#                  / 
 5 1   6  920 1 1 tl   11  until ^two minutes ag/o#                           / 
 5 1   6  930 1 1 tl   11  I ^didn`t "h\ave any# - - -                        / 
 5 1   6  940 1 2 tl   12  ^I think . you know . :really [dhi:] . you you     / 
 5 1   6  940 1 1 tl   12  ^can`t :blame the indi:vidual in this c/ase#       / 
 5 1   6  950 1 1 tl   11  this is a "^problem of our :modern "pr\ess# -      / 
 5 1   6  960 1 1 tl   11  I ^think the people to ":bl\ame h/ere#             / 
 5 1   6  970 1 1 tl   11  are ^not this un:fortunate young m\/an# -          / 
 5 1   6  980 1 3 tl   11  [@] ^nor in:deed . some un:fortunate commanding    / 
 5 1   6  980 1 2 tl   11  :officer who :suddenly :found him on his           / 
 5 1   6  980 1 1 tl   11  d\oorst/ep# -                                      / 
 5 1   6  990 1 2 tl   11  and ^probably hadn`t the :foggiest idea what he was/ 
 5 1   6  990 1 1 tl   11  :\in for# -                                        / 
 5 1   6 1000 1 1 tl   11  [@] but ^this - :s\erious s/ide of it#             / 
 5 1   7 1010 1 1 tl   11  ^\I would t/ake#                                   / 
 5 1   7 1020 1 1 tl   11  is an^\other c/ase# -                              / 
 5 1   7 1030 1 2 tl   11  where [dhi:] "^hounds and ":vultures of :Fl\eet    / 
 5 1   7 1030 1 1 tl   11  Str/eet# -                                         / 
 5 1   7 1040 1 2 tl   11  ^seem to :feel that they have some - - ":given     / 
 5 1   7 1040 1 1 tl   11  :d\/uty#                                           / 
 5 1   7 1050 1 2 tl   11  to ^pry into the most ":private . "!section of     / 
 5 1   7 1050 1 1 tl   11  :everybody`s l/ives#                               / 
 5 1   7 1060 1 1 tl   11  and ^blur it all in the :pr\ess# -                 / 
 5 1   7 1070 1 1 tl   11  ^I put the :blame on :Fl\eet Street#               / 
 5 1   7 1080 1 1 f    11  [@:] ^Bill M\allalieu#                             / 
 5 1   7 1090 1 1 m    11  the ^blame on Fl\eet Street# -                     / 
 5 1   7 1100 1 2 m    11  [@] it ^seem((ed)) to me that :Fleet Street was [@ / 
 5 1   7 1100 1 1 m    11  @] at the :start was :doing a good j\ob# .         / 
 5 1   7 1110 1 2 m    11  by ^giving [dhi:] . pub:licity they :did to [@ . @]/ 
 5 1   7 1110 1 1 m    11  to [@] . T D/ean# .                                / 
 5 1   7 1120 1 1 m    11  [@] in his [@m] . ^entrance into the :\army# -     / 
 5 1   7 1130 1 1 m    11  ^anything that makes the :army attr/active# .      / 
 5 1   7 1140 1 1 m    11  [@] is de^sirable and a good th\ing#               / 
 5 1   8 1150 1 1 m    11  and I ^say that as a :n\avy man#                   / 
 5 1   8 1160 1 1 aud  20  (noise laughter)                                   / 
 5 1   8 1170 1 1 ?    11  does ^Dean make the army attr/active#              / 
 5 1   8 1180 1 2 tl   11  ^I think [dhi] . that Mr Dean :d\oes _make the     / 
 5 1   8 1180 1 1 tl   11  _army at_tractive#                                 / 
 5 1   8 1190 1 1 tl   11  or . there was a ^possibility he m/ight# .         / 
 5 1   8 1200 1 2 tl   11  [@] ^for . the people who are going to be :called  / 
 5 1   8 1200 1 1 tl   11  /up#                                               / 
 5 1   8 1210 1 1 tl   11  which is ^not you and m\e# - -                     / 
 5 1   8 1220 1 2 tl   11  the ^trouble is :that . publicity has come         / 
 5 1   8 1220 1 1 tl   11  unst\uck# -                                        / 
 5 1   8 1230 1 1 tl   11  now I ^think beh\ind this qu/estion#               / 
 5 1   8 1240 1 1 tl   11  ^is [dh@] . an:\other _thing#                      / 
 5 1   8 1250 1 1 tl   12  and ^not the pub^l/icity# .                        / 
 5 1   8 1260 1 3 tl   11  is it ^fair that a :man who`s a . a :boy who`s     / 
 5 1   8 1260 1 2 tl   11  :earning :three hundred and fifty pounds a . a     / 
 5 1   8 1260 1 1 tl   11  w/eek# .                                           / 
 5 1   8 1270 1 1 tl   11  [@] should be ^let out of the /army#               / 
 5 1   8 1280 1 1 tl   11  as he is ^likely to b/e# .                         / 
 5 1   8 1290 1 1 tl   11  in ^such a short t=ime#                            / 
 5 1   8 1300 1 1 tl   11  when the ^rest of us :have to go thr\ough it# -    / 
 5 1   9 1310 1 1 tl   11  and ^on th/at#                                     / 
 5 1   9 1320 1 1 tl   11  ^I would . simply :say th\is# .                    / 
 5 1   9 1330 1 1 tl   11  that ^in that particular r/egiment#                / 
 5 1   9 1340 1 1 tl   11  I re^member a b/oy# .                              / 
 5 1   9 1350 1 2 tl   11  who was [@m] - ^unable to [@] . :move his . :right / 
 5 1   9 1350 1 1 tl   11  leg with:out his . :right arm moving :t\oo#        / 
 5 1   9 1360 1 1 tl   11  so he ^couldn`t m\arch# -                          / 
 5 1   9 1370 1 1 tl   11  he was . il^l\iterate# .                           / 
 5 1   9 1380 1 1 tl   11  [@] so he was ^no use in the :\office# -           / 
 5 1   9 1390 1 1 tl   11  [@] ^if he closed ":one /eye# .                    / 
 5 1   9 1400 1 1 tl   11  he ^had to close "tw\o#                            / 
 5 1   9 1410 1 1 tl   11  so he ^couldn`t sh\oot# -                          / 
 5 1   9 1420 1 1 tl   11  and the ^army instead of :letting him :g\/o# .     / 
 5 1   9 1430 1 1 tl   11  per^sisted with their . :tactful m/ethods#         / 
 5 1   9 1440 1 1 tl   11  in ^making him into a "!s\oldier# .                / 
 5 1   9 1450 1 1 tl   11  and it was ^only when he :stabbed ((a)) s/ergeant# / 
 5 1   9 1460 1 1 tl   11  that they ^let him g\o#                            / 
 5 1   9 1470 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1   9 1480 1 2 f    11  and I sup^pose inci:dentally became very :popular  / 
 5 1   9 1480 1 1 f    11  with the :other :r\anks#                           / 
 5 1  10 1490 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  10 1500 1 1 m    11  he`s in a ^mental home n\ow#                       / 
 5 1  10 1510 1 1 f    11  ^Jack L\ongland#                                   / 
 5 1  10 1520 1 1 jl   11  well I ^don`t think you can . blame the pr/ess#    / 
 5 1  10 1530 1 1 jl   11  with^out being a bit pr/iggish#                    / 
 5 1  10 1540 1 1 jl   11  I mean ^they`re . :after the n/ews#                / 
 5 1  10 1550 1 1 jl   11  and . ^Terry Dean . ":is n/ews#                    / 
 5 1  10 1560 1 1 jl   11  [@ @] and ^that`s what they`re th\ere for#         / 
 5 1  10 1570 1 1 jl   11  "^I think :probably the :villain ((in)) the p/iece#/ 
 5 1  10 1580 1 2 jl   11  is ^some . al:leged :shrinking violet of a civil   / 
 5 1  10 1580 1 1 jl   11  :servant in [dhi] . W\ar /Office#                  / 
 5 1  10 1590 1 2 jl   11  who ^suddenly found for the :first time in his     / 
 5 1  10 1590 1 1 jl   11  l/ife#                                             / 
 5 1  10 1600 1 1 jl   11  that ^somebody`d taken some :notice /of him# .     / 
 5 1  10 1610 1 2 jl   11  the ^press had rung him up :right left and         / 
 5 1  10 1610 1 1 jl   11  c/entre# .                                         / 
 5 1  10 1620 1 1 jl   11  and ^there he w/as#                                / 
 5 1  11 1630 1 2 jl   11  ^like :so many [a @ e] . :nearly all the r/est of  / 
 5 1  11 1630 1 1 jl   11  us# .                                              / 
 5 1  11 1640 1 1 jl   11  ^finding himself in the l/imelight#                / 
 5 1  11 1650 1 1 jl   11  [n . @ @] and ^l/iking it# .                       / 
 5 1  11 1660 1 1 jl   11  and ^so giving this un:fortunate b/oy#             / 
 5 1  11 1670 1 1 jl   11  and I a^gree with :Robert h/ere# .                 / 
 5 1  11 1680 1 1 jl   11  a a pub^licity which . :pr\/obably#                / 
 5 1  11 1690 1 1 jl   11  ^even :he would have been :quite glad to av\oid# . / 
 5 1  11 1700 1 1 jl   11  what I`d ^also like to kn\ow /is# .                / 
 5 1  11 1710 1 1 jl   11  ^how . :Robert Hen:r\iqu/es# .                     / 
 5 1  11 1720 1 1 jl   11  if he ^were a com:manding officer :n\/ow# -        / 
 5 1  11 1730 1 1 jl   11  ^would :m\anage to keep the press 'out# .          / 
 5 1  11 1740 1 2 jl   11  after all they`ll ^turn up in :sergeant`s          / 
 5 1  11 1740 1 1 jl   11  str/ipes# .                                        / 
 5 1  11 1750 1 2 jl   11  ^or they`ll be :wearing a :green uniform with a    / 
 5 1  11 1750 1 1 jl   11  :shortened sk/irt# .                               / 
 5 1  11 1760 1 2 jl   11  ^I bet you ":couldn`t keep `em :out at \all        / 
 5 1  11 1760 1 1 jl   11  Robert# .                                          / 
 5 1  11 1770 1 1 jl   11  the ^only :other th/ing#                           / 
 5 1  11 1780 1 1 jl   11  which . ^really . :slightly al/arms me# .          / 
 5 1  12 1790 1 2 jl   11  [@] ^we . ap:parently are :not going to keep Terry / 
 5 1  12 1790 1 1 jl   11  :Dean . :in the British /Army#                     / 
 5 1  12 1800 1 2 jl   11  which . ^may be a good :thing for the ef:ficiency  / 
 5 1  12 1800 1 1 jl   11  of the British /Army#                              / 
 5 1  12 1810 1 1 jl   11  I ^wouldn`t kn/ow#                                 / 
 5 1  12 1820 1 1 jl   11  but ^quite p/ossibly#                              / 
 5 1  12 1830 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  12 1840 1 2 jl   11  ^but . the :really :shocking and :frightening      / 
 5 1  12 1840 1 1 jl   11  th/ought#                                          / 
 5 1  12 1850 1 1 jl   11  is that . ^rifleman :Elvis :Pr\/esley# .           / 
 5 1  12 1860 1 1 jl   11  is I ^g\/ather#                                    / 
 5 1  12 1870 1 1 jl   11  ^doing . :really rather :well in the :US:A /army# ./ 
 5 1  12 1880 1 3 jl   11  a ^terrifying thought is that we`re :probably going/ 
 5 1  12 1880 1 2 jl   11  to be on the :same :s\ide as A'merica in the :next / 
 5 1  12 1880 1 1 jl   11  w/ar#                                              / 
 5 1  12 1890 1 1 jl   11  and I ^don`t :like it at \all#                     / 
 5 1  12 1900 1 2 f    11  ^well I don`t think Terry Dean`s :come out too     / 
 5 1  12 1900 1 1 f    11  :b\adly out of all th/is# .                        / 
 5 1  12 1910 1 1 f    11  there`s ^only \one thing#                          / 
 5 1  13 1920 1 1 f    11  ^\I would cavil ag/ainst#                          / 
 5 1  13 1930 1 1 f    11  and ^that is :calling him a s\inger# -             / 
 5 1  13 1940 1 1 f    11  it`s "^not f\air# .                                / 
 5 1  13 1950 1 1 f    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 1  13 1960 1 1 f    11  "^I`ve been a singer all my l\ife#                 / 
 5 1  13 1970 1 1 f    11  and it ^does it :isn`t r\ight _that#               / 
 5 1  13 1980 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  13 1990 1 1 f    11  - "^I think we go on to the :next qu\estion#       / 
 5 1  13 2000 1 1 f    20  from (name)                                        / 
 5 1  13 2010 1 3 II   20  (what does the team think of the Croydon Council`s / 
 5 1  13 2010 1 2 II   20  plan to evict tenants whose joint incomes amount to/ 
 5 1  13 2010 1 1 II   20  over twenty pounds a week)                         / 
 5 1  13 2020 1 1 f    11  ^Bill M/allalieu# .                                / 
 5 1  13 2030 1 1 f    11  ^any id/eas#                                       / 
 5 1  13 2040 1 1 m    11  ^I think it`s a :thoroughly ":b\ad#                / 
 5 1  13 2050 1 1 m    11  ^pl\an# -                                          / 
 5 1  13 2060 1 1 m    11  ^this particular pl/an#                            / 
 5 1  13 2070 1 2 m    11  ^doesn`t raise [dhi:] :question of :differential   / 
 5 1  13 2070 1 1 m    11  r\ates# .                                          / 
 5 1  13 2080 1 1 m    11  on ^which we [k] :we could \argue# -               / 
 5 1  13 2090 1 1 m    11  it ^raises [@] . :[def@] :differential r\ents# -   / 
 5 1  14 2100 1 1 m    11  it ^raises something \else# -                      / 
 5 1  14 2110 1 1 m    11  it ^raises the :old id/ea#                         / 
 5 1  14 2120 1 1 m    11  that [@] - "^housing est/ates# .                   / 
 5 1  14 2130 1 1 m    11  "^should be [@ - @] :l\/imited# .                  / 
 5 1  14 2140 1 1 m    11  to ^people of a ":certain "\income# -              / 
 5 1  14 2150 1 1 m    11  it`s an ^argument for . :segreg\ation# -           / 
 5 1  14 2160 1 1 m    11  ^segregating the p/oor#                            / 
 5 1  14 2170 1 1 m    11  from [dhi:] . ^reasonably well-to-d/o# .           / 
 5 1  14 2180 1 1 m    11  from the ^r\ich# .                                 / 
 5 1  14 2190 1 1 m    11  it`s a "^modern con:c\eption# -                    / 
 5 1  14 2200 1 1 m    11  the ^old id/ea#                                    / 
 5 1  14 2210 1 1 m    11  was to ^build a v\illage# -                        / 
 5 1  14 2220 1 1 m    11  a ^v/illage#                                       / 
 5 1  14 2230 1 1 m    11  where ^/everybody#                                 / 
 5 1  14 2240 1 1 m    11  whether they were ^rich or p/oor# .                / 
 5 1  14 2250 1 1 m    11  ^lived as :n\eighbours# -                          / 
 5 1  14 2260 1 1 m    11  a ^village with a comm\unity# -                    / 
 5 1  14 2270 1 1 m    11  ^this is . :segreg\ation# -                        / 
 5 1  14 2280 1 1 m    11  ^this is s/omething#                               / 
 5 1  14 2290 1 1 m    11  that ^we con:d\emn#                                / 
 5 1  14 2300 1 1 m    11  in ^South /Africa#                                 / 
 5 1  14 2310 1 1 m    11  when it ^comes to r\aces# -                        / 
 5 1  14 2320 1 1 m    11  we ^ought to cond/emn it#                          / 
 5 1  14 2330 1 1 m    11  ^here in Br/itain# .                               / 
 5 1  14 2340 1 1 m    11  when it ^comes to \incomes# -                      / 
 5 1  15 2350 1 1 m    11  ^you and I and "\all of /us#                       / 
 5 1  15 2360 1 1 m    11  are ^human b/eings#                                / 
 5 1  15 2370 1 1 m    11  we`re ^born in the same c/ountry# .                / 
 5 1  15 2380 1 1 m    11  [w@] we ^are tog/ether# .                          / 
 5 1  15 2390 1 1 m    11  ^we are n\eighbours# .                             / 
 5 1  15 2400 1 1 m    11  ^don`t let`s have some ":st\upid#                  / 
 5 1  15 2410 1 1 m    11  ^c\ouncil# .                                       / 
 5 1  15 2420 1 1 m    11  ^making a r/ule# .                                 / 
 5 1  15 2430 1 1 m    11  that ^sets us ":more ap/art# .                     / 
 5 1  15 2440 1 1 m    11  than we ^have to b\e#                              / 
 5 1  15 2450 1 1 f    11  ^Robert Henr/iques#                                / 
 5 1  15 2460 2 1 h    21  well ^I think that`s a                             / 
 5 1  15 2470 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 1  15 2460 1 1(h    11  - :absolute . and com:plete . n\onsense#           / 
 5 1  15 2480 1 1 h    11  on the ^part of M\allalieu# -                      / 
 5 1  15 2490 1 1 h    11  ((to)) ^make :any kind of com:p\arison#            / 
 5 1  15 2500 1 2 h    11  between a ^council :housing estate and a :village  / 
 5 1  15 2500 1 1 h    11  comm\unity# .                                      / 
 5 1  15 2510 1 1 h    11  in the ^first place a :village comm/unity#         / 
 5 1  15 2520 1 1 h    11  has ^houses of all sorts of different s/izes#      / 
 5 1  15 2530 1 1 h    11  for ^people of all sorts of different k/inds#      / 
 5 1  16 2540 1 1 h    11  *and ^all sorts of different \incomes#*            / 
 5 1  16 2550 1 2 m    11  *which is ex"^actly what a :housing* estate ought  / 
 5 1  16 2550 1 1 m    11  to b\e#                                            / 
 5 1  16 2560 1 1 h    11  well ^no housing estate in Britain \/is# .         / 
 5 1  16 2570 1 1 h    11  *((so)) ^let`s deal* with the :facts :w\ell#       / 
 5 1  16 2580 1 1 h    11  it ^m\ight#                                        / 
 5 1  16 2590 2 1 h    21  it                                                 / 
 5 1  16 2600 1 1 m    11  *it "^could b\e#*                                  / 
 5 1  16 2590 1 1(h    11  ^\ought to be#                                     / 
 5 1  16 2610 1 1 h    11  all ^r\ight#                                       / 
 5 1  16 2620 2 1 h    21  +but ^let`s deal with the facts+                   / 
 5 1  16 2630 1 1 m    20  +((not in Croydon))+                               / 
 5 1  16 2620 1 1(h    11  of what :Croydon /is#                              / 
 5 1  16 2640 1 1 h    11  and ^what every :\other housing est/ate is#        / 
 5 1  16 2650 1 1 h    11  ^round :here or :round :everywhere :\else# -       / 
 5 1  16 2660 1 1 h    11  ^everybody :\in a housing est/ate#                 / 
 5 1  16 2670 1 1 h    11  is ^made alike by :one f\actor#                    / 
 5 1  16 2680 1 1 h    11  and ^like it or not it :is a :f\act# -             / 
 5 1  17 2690 1 1 h    11  ^that they are l/iving#                            / 
 5 1  17 2700 1 1 h    11  up^on the ch/arity#                                / 
 5 1  17 2710 1 1 h    11  of the com^m\unity# .                              / 
 5 1  17 2720 1 1 h    11  their ^houses are s/ubsidized# .                   / 
 5 1  17 2730 1 3 h    11  the ^economic :rent of a :housing estate is I      / 
 5 1  17 2730 1 2 h    11  sup:pose somewhere between :two and three pounds a / 
 5 1  17 2730 1 1 h    11  w/eek#                                             / 
 5 1  17 2740 1 1 h    11  ac^cording to the h/ouse# -                        / 
 5 1  17 2750 1 2 h    11  and . ^all the difference be:tween what the man    / 
 5 1  17 2750 1 1 h    11  "!is p/aying# .                                    / 
 5 1  17 2760 1 1 h    11  ^and that :economic r/ent# .                       / 
 5 1  17 2770 1 1 h    11  ^is being paid :by the comm/unity# .               / 
 5 1  17 2780 1 1 h    11  ^by the other r/atepayers#                         / 
 5 1  17 2790 1 1 h    11  by the ^taxp\ayer#                                 / 
 5 1  17 2800 1 1 h    11  ^th\erefore# .                                     / 
 5 1  17 2810 1 1 h    11  ^people in :h=ousing estates# .                    / 
 5 1  17 2820 1 2 h    11  are . ^living on the :charity :of their            / 
 5 1  17 2820 1 1 h    11  n\eighbours#                                       / 
 5 1  17 2830 1 1 h    11  ^whether they :like it or n/ot#                    / 
 5 1  17 2840 1 1 h    11  they ^can`t h\elp it# -                            / 
 5 1  17 2850 1 2 h    11  ^now - I !do not agree with e:victing these        / 
 5 1  17 2850 1 1 h    11  p\eople# .                                         / 
 5 1  17 2860 1 1 h    11  in ^any circumstances what/ever#                   / 
 5 1  18 2870 1 1 h    11  e^viction is cr/uel#                               / 
 5 1  18 2880 1 1 h    11  un^k/ind#                                          / 
 5 1  18 2890 1 1 h    11  and there is "^no excuse for inhu:m\anity#         / 
 5 1  18 2900 1 1 h    11  ^whatso\ever# .                                    / 
 5 1  18 2910 1 2 h    11  but I "^do agree with :making them pay an :economic/ 
 5 1  18 2910 1 1 h    11  r/ent# .                                           / 
 5 1  18 2920 1 1 h    11  and I ^do agr/ee# .                                / 
 5 1  18 2930 1 2 h    11  with ^everybody . having to :p\ay an economic      / 
 5 1  18 2930 1 1 h    11  'rent# .                                           / 
 5 1  18 2940 1 1 h    11  for ^houses which are :put up by the g/overnment# ./ 
 5 1  18 2950 1 1 h    11  un^less they can pr/ove#                           / 
 5 1  18 2960 1 1 h    11  that they ^can`t aff/ord to# .                     / 
 5 1  18 2970 1 1 h    11  un^less they can :prove a case of h\ardship# .     / 
 5 1  18 2980 1 1 h    11  I ^don`t mind if you shout :m/eans _test#          / 
 5 1  18 2990 1 1 h    11  I ^don`t see why we sh\ouldn`t# .                  / 
 5 1  18 3000 1 2 h    11  I ^don`t see why :people should get . :cheap       / 
 5 1  18 3000 1 1 h    11  h/ousing#                                          / 
 5 1  18 3010 1 2 h    11  at [dhi] . with with ^people who`ve got :less money/ 
 5 1  18 3010 1 1 h    11  than them p/aying for it# .                        / 
 5 1  18 3020 1 1 h    11  un^less they can in :fact . prove w\ant# -         / 
 5 1  18 3030 1 2 h    11  and ^therefore :whereas I ":thoroughly disagree    / 
 5 1  18 3030 1 1 h    11  with this :Cr\oydon th/ing#                        / 
 5 1  19 3040 1 1 h    11  and it`s ^just in:h\uman to 'throw people /out#    / 
 5 1  19 3050 1 1 h    11  and e^viction is a is a :b\ad#                     / 
 5 1  19 3060 1 1 h    11  and ^wr\ong thing /any_way# .                      / 
 5 1  19 3070 1 1 h    11  I would ^thoroughly a:gr\ee with Cr/oydon#         / 
 5 1  19 3080 1 2 h    11  if they ^said that :everybody :over . :fifteen     / 
 5 1  19 3080 1 1 h    11  pounds a w/eek#                                    / 
 5 1  19 3090 1 1 h    11  will ^pay an :economic r/ent# .                    / 
 5 1  19 3100 1 1 h    11  and ^everybody over :twenty pounds a w/eek#        / 
 5 1  19 3110 1 1 h    11  will [t@] ^pay ten bob a:b\ove an economic r/ent# ./ 
 5 1  19 3120 1 2 h    11  so ((that)) the ^r\ich people in c/ouncil          / 
 5 1  19 3120 1 1 h    11  _houses# .                                         / 
 5 1  19 3130 1 2 h    11  are the ^ones who are :subsidizing the :p\oor      / 
 5 1  19 3130 1 1 h    11  people in :council h/ouses# .                      / 
 5 1  19 3140 1 2 h    11  and "^not the people who :aren`t living in council / 
 5 1  19 3140 1 1 h    11  houses at \all#                                    / 
 5 1  19 3150 1 1 ?    21  which is ^not what :Cr\oydon is                    / 
 5 1  19 3160 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 1  20 3170 1 1 f    11  ^Ted L\eather#                                     / 
 5 1  20 3180 1 2 tl   11  ^well we`ve :heard [dhi:] . :two contrary views    / 
 5 1  20 3180 1 1 tl   11  most :forcefully "p\ut# .                          / 
 5 1  20 3190 1 1 tl   11  [@] ^I would a:gr\ee with Bill M/allalieu#         / 
 5 1  20 3200 1 1 tl   11  en^t\/irely#                                       / 
 5 1  20 3210 1 1 tl   11  that you ^don`t want segre:g\ation# .              / 
 5 1  20 3220 1 2 tl   11  but of course ^Robert`s put his :finger !r\ight    / 
 5 1  20 3220 1 1 tl   11  _on# .                                             / 
 5 1  20 3230 1 1 tl   11  if I may ^s\ay _so#                                / 
 5 1  20 3240 1 1 tl   11  the ^flaw in that /argument#                       / 
 5 1  20 3250 1 1 tl   11  the ^problem of ":s\ubsidies#                      / 
 5 1  20 3260 1 1 tl   11  which ^alters the \argument# .                     / 
 5 1  20 3270 1 1 tl   11  but you ^kn\ow#                                    / 
 5 1  20 3280 1 1 tl   11  with re^sp\ect#                                    / 
 5 1  20 3290 1 1 tl   11  I ^don`t r\eally think#                            / 
 5 1  20 3300 1 1 tl   11  ^\any of us on this pl/atform#                     / 
 5 1  20 3310 1 1 tl   11  are ^c\/ompetent#                                  / 
 5 1  20 3320 1 1 tl   11  to ^j\udge# -                                      / 
 5 1  20 3330 1 1 tl   11  [a:] ^I don`t know pre:cisely ":what it /is#       / 
 5 1  20 3340 1 1 tl   11  that this par^ticular :group of c/ouncillors# .    / 
 5 1  20 3350 1 1 tl   11  ^in Cr/oydon#                                      / 
 5 1  20 3360 1 1 tl   11  en^tirely on their own b/at#                       / 
 5 1  20 3370 1 2 tl   11  without ^reference to :anybody :else have de:cided / 
 5 1  20 3370 1 1 tl   11  to "!d\o# -                                        / 
 5 1  21 3380 1 1 tl   11  [@] I ^just don`t bel\ieve#                        / 
 5 1  21 3390 1 1 tl   11  that it`s ^tr\ue#                                  / 
 5 1  21 3400 1 2 tl   11  that they`re going to ^hurl everybody into the     / 
 5 1  21 3400 1 1 tl   11  :street tom\orrow# .                               / 
 5 1  21 3410 1 1 tl   11  that ^clearly couldn`t be r\ight#                  / 
 5 1  21 3420 1 1 ?    11  ^six months` n\otice _they`re _giving _them#       / 
 5 1  21 3430 1 1 ?    11  ^B/ill#                                            / 
 5 1  21 3440 1 1(tl   11  ^six [man] are you :s/ure of _that#                / 
 5 1  21 3450 1 1 tl   11  is ^that what it says in the p/aper#               / 
 5 1  21 3460 1 1 ?    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 1  21 3470 1 1 ?    11  I ^th\ink s/o#                                     / 
 5 1  21 3480 1 1 ?    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 1  21 3490 1 1 tl   11  ^six months` n\otice# .                            / 
 5 1  21 3500 1 1 tl   11  ^w/ell# .                                          / 
 5 1  21 3510 1 1 tl   11  a^g\ain#                                           / 
 5 1  21 3520 1 2 tl   12  I ^don`t know [dh@ dh@] ^that would depend on :how / 
 5 1  21 3520 1 1 tl   12  many houses a:vailable there :are in :Cr\oydon#    / 
 5 1  21 3530 1 1 tl   11  whether that`s ^fair or n\ot# .                    / 
 5 1  21 3540 1 1 tl   11  I ^don`t know th/at#                               / 
 5 1  21 3550 1 1 tl   11  and ^neither do \any of us# -                      / 
 5 1  21 3560 1 2 tl   11  ^but [dhi:] the ":principle ":surely of . ":people / 
 5 1  21 3560 1 1 tl   11  ":paying . :what they can afford to p/ay#          / 
 5 1  22 3570 1 1 tl   11  an ^economic r=ent# .                              / 
 5 1  22 3580 1 1 tl   11  is "^surely ":r\ight# .                            / 
 5 1  22 3590 1 1 tl   11  and I ^w\ould have th/ought#                       / 
 5 1  22 3600 1 2 tl   11  as ^we`ve had here in ":Bristol for ":many         / 
 5 1  22 3600 1 1 tl   11  y/ears# .                                          / 
 5 1  22 3610 1 1 tl   11  a ^differential :r\ent# -                          / 
 5 1  22 3620 1 1 tl   11  because ^one of the great :pr\oblems#              / 
 5 1  22 3630 1 1 tl   11  of of pro^v\iding#                                 / 
 5 1  22 3640 1 1 tl   11  ^subsidized h/ousing#                              / 
 5 1  22 3650 1 1 tl   11  or ^subsidized anything :\else# -                  / 
 5 1  22 3660 1 2 tl   11  one of the ^great problems of the :Welfare !St\ate / 
 5 1  22 3660 1 1 tl   11  _is# -                                             / 
 5 1  22 3670 1 1 tl   11  that we tax ourselves up to the ^h\ilt#            / 
 5 1  22 3680 1 2 tl   11  to [pr@] to pro^vide benefits . :quite             / 
 5 1  22 3680 1 1 tl   11  indis:cr\iminately#                                / 
 5 1  22 3690 1 1 tl   11  for ^those who n/eed#                              / 
 5 1  22 3700 1 1 tl   11  ^and those who :d\on`t n/eed# -                    / 
 5 1  22 3710 1 2 tl   11  ^with the result that the :whole benefit is :spread/ 
 5 1  22 3710 1 1 tl   11  so ":thinly over the comm\/unity# .                / 
 5 1  22 3720 1 1 tl   11  you ^can`t !r\eally do en/ough#                    / 
 5 1  22 3730 1 1 tl   11  for ^those who :really "!\are in _need# .          / 
 5 1  22 3740 1 2 tl   11  and ^housing :subsidies is a :classical example    / 
 5 1  22 3740 1 1 tl   11  :\of _that#                                        / 
 5 1  23 3750 1 1 f    11  ^Jack L/ongland#                                   / 
 5 1  23 3760 1 1 jl   11  well I ^d\on`t really know enough ab/out this#     / 
 5 1  23 3770 1 1 jl   11  ^Fr/eddy#                                          / 
 5 1  23 3780 1 2 jl   11  [@:m] though I . [@] ^don`t [@ @ @] as :T\ed has   / 
 5 1  23 3780 1 1 jl   11  _said#                                             / 
 5 1  23 3790 1 2 jl   11  one ^doesn`t know enough about the :motives of     / 
 5 1  23 3790 1 1 jl   11  [dhi:] :Croydon C/ouncil# .                        / 
 5 1  23 3800 1 2 jl   11  on the ^other hand I . I :find it a bit            / 
 5 1  23 3800 1 1 jl   11  surpr\/ising# .                                    / 
 5 1  23 3810 1 2 jl   11  [@m] . if ^they have :average size :f\amilies in   / 
 5 1  23 3810 1 1 jl   11  Cr/oydon# .                                        / 
 5 1  23 3820 1 1 jl   11  [@] . un^less they`ve built :very :f\ew h/ouses#   / 
 5 1  23 3830 1 2 jl   11  ^I should have thought they`d be :throwing out an  / 
 5 1  23 3830 1 1 jl   11  :awful lot of !ch\aps# .                           / 
 5 1  23 3840 1 1 jl   11  I re^member my friend George Br/own#               / 
 5 1  23 3850 1 1 jl   11  ^talking to a :miners . /audience# .               / 
 5 1  23 3860 1 1 jl   11  in ^D/erbyshire#                                   / 
 5 1  23 3870 1 1 jl   11  ad^mittedly :two or three years ag/o# .            / 
 5 1  24 3880 1 2 jl   11  ^when [@] :miners were working :more shifts than   / 
 5 1  24 3880 1 1 jl   11  they`re :\able to at the m/oment# .                / 
 5 1  24 3890 1 2 jl   11  ^and [wi] ad:dressing a [mai @] . a :miners        / 
 5 1  24 3890 1 1 jl   11  audience :largely of face working m\/iners#        / 
 5 1  24 3900 1 1 jl   11  he ^said to them . :you and \/I#                   / 
 5 1  24 3910 1 1 jl   11  who are ^in [dhi] . :thousand a year cl\ass# .     / 
 5 1  24 3920 1 1 jl   11  now I am ^terribly gl\/ad#                         / 
 5 1  24 3930 1 1 jl   11  that ^miners - face working m/iners#               / 
 5 1  24 3940 1 1 jl   11  are ^getting something :like th\at#                / 
 5 1  24 3950 1 1 jl   11  ^if there`s a m/an# .                              / 
 5 1  24 3960 1 1 jl   11  and his ^b\oy# .                                   / 
 5 1  24 3970 1 1 jl   11  ^b\oth working in the same h/ouse# .               / 
 5 1  24 3980 1 1 jl   11  ^th\ey`re in this cl/ass#                          / 
 5 1  24 3990 1 1 jl   11  quite ^\easily# .                                  / 
 5 1  24 4000 1 1 jl   11  ^twenty pounds a w/eek# .                          / 
 5 1  24 4010 1 1 jl   11  ^and . a "!gr\eat many m/iners#                    / 
 5 1  24 4020 1 1 jl   11  and I`m ^glad about that t/oo# .                   / 
 5 1  24 4030 1 2 jl   11  ^are . inhabiting council houses :in in in in      / 
 5 1  24 4030 1 1 jl   11  :D\erbyshire# .                                    / 
 5 1  24 4040 1 2 jl   11  ^now . !I should have thought :this was a very     / 
 5 1  24 4040 1 1 jl   11  curiously l\ow f/igure#                            / 
 5 1  25 4050 1 2 jl   11  I a^gree that there ought to be differential       / 
 5 1  25 4050 1 1 jl   11  r/ents# -                                          / 
 5 1  25 4060 1 1 jl   11  ^but [@] - I :don`t know how they`ve ar:r\ived#    / 
 5 1  25 4070 1 1 jl   11  at ^this figure at :\all# .                        / 
 5 1  25 4080 1 1 jl   11  and e^viction is :obviously ":absolute !n\onsense# / 
 5 1  25 4090 1 2 jl   11  [@] and . ^though I don`t know much about the      / 
 5 1  25 4090 1 1 jl   11  :Cr\oydon C/ouncil#                                / 
 5 1  25 4100 1 1 jl   11  I`m ^sure they`re :wrong about th\at# .            / 
 5 1  25 4110 1 1 jl   11  I ^don`t see ":much /argument#                     / 
 5 1  25 4120 1 1 jl   11  ^mys\/elf#                                         / 
 5 1  25 4130 1 1 jl   11  ^any l/onger [@]#                                  / 
 5 1  25 4140 1 1 jl   11  a^gainst !differential r\ents# .                   / 
 5 1  25 4150 1 2 jl   11  but I ^do say that I`m very glad to know that a    / 
 5 1  25 4150 1 1 jl   11  :great many . :working f\amilies# .                / 
 5 1  25 4160 1 2 jl   11  in ^council houses :certainly in :our part of the  / 
 5 1  25 4160 1 1 jl   11  w/orld# .                                          / 
 5 1  25 4170 1 2 jl   11  par^ticularly if :two members of the :family are   / 
 5 1  25 4170 1 1 jl   11  w/orking# .                                        / 
 5 1  25 4180 1 2 jl   11  ^are . !in this twenty pound a :week class and     / 
 5 1  25 4180 1 1 jl   11  :good l\uck to them#                               / 
 5 1  26 4190 1 1 f    11  ^Bill M/allalieu#                                  / 
 5 1  26 4200 1 2 m    11  but you ^know . :this question . ":isn`t about     / 
 5 1  26 4200 1 1 m    11  :differential rents at !\all# .                    / 
 5 1  26 4210 1 1 m    11  [@] ^Croydon "isn`t s\aying# .                     / 
 5 1  26 4220 1 1 m    11  ^if you`re earning :twenty pounds a w\eek# .       / 
 5 1  26 4230 1 1 m    11  you must ^pay the :economic r\ent# .               / 
 5 1  26 4240 1 1 m    11  ^what they`re saying /is# .                        / 
 5 1  26 4250 1 1 m    11  ((^if you`re earning twenty pounds)) a w/eek#      / 
 5 1  26 4260 1 1 m    11  ^you must get !\out# .                             / 
 5 1  26 4270 1 1 m    11  there "^\is an _argument#                          / 
 5 1  26 4280 1 1 m    11  for ^differential r\ents# -                        / 
 5 1  26 4290 1 1 m    11  but there ^is "!n\o _argument for s/aying#         / 
 5 1  26 4300 1 1 m    11  that . ^in a par:ticular loc/ality# .              / 
 5 1  26 4310 1 1 m    11  ^nobody must :live h/ere# .                        / 
 5 1  26 4320 1 2 m    11  who is ^earning "!more than :twenty pounds a       / 
 5 1  26 4320 1 1 m    11  :w\eek#                                            / 
 5 1  26 4330 1 1 ?    11  ^hear h\ear#                                       / 
 5 1  27 4340 1 1 m    11  "^that is . ":segreg\ation#                        / 
 5 1  27 4350 1 1 ?    11  ^hear h\ear#                                       / 
 5 1  27 4360 1 3 f    11  ^well it seems to me a:part from those [@] . in    / 
 5 1  27 4360 1 2 f    11  :spite of everything that`s been :said on the      / 
 5 1  27 4360 1 1 f    11  pl/atform#                                         / 
 5 1  27 4370 1 2 f    11  a^part from having a . a :Croydon !c\ouncillor on  / 
 5 1  27 4370 1 1 f    11  the t/eam# .                                       / 
 5 1  27 4380 1 2 f    11  we ^don`t really know :what`s in the back of their / 
 5 1  27 4380 1 1 f    11  :m\inds# .                                         / 
 5 1  27 4390 1 2 f    21  [@] we((`ll)) ^go on to the :next question :from   / 
 5 1  27 4390 1 1 f    21  (name)                                             / 
 5 1  27 4400 1 4 II   20  (world-wide celebrations have recently taken place / 
 5 1  27 4400 1 3 II   20  in memory of the bicentenary of the birth of Robert/ 
 5 1  27 4400 1 2 II   20  Burns what English man or woman could be considered/ 
 5 1  27 4400 1 1 II   20  worthy of similar celebrations)                    / 
 5 1  27 4410 1 1 f    11  ^Jack !L\ongland#                                  / 
 5 1  27 4420 1 1 jl   11  oh ^this is a gi!gantic . :confidence tr/ick# .    / 
 5 1  28 4430 1 1 jl   11  ^played by the Sc\ots#                             / 
 5 1  28 4440 1 1 jl   11  on the ^English !n\ation#                          / 
 5 1  28 4450 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  28 4460 1 1(jl   11  ^don`t be taken in by it at :\all# -               / 
 5 1  28 4470 1 1 jl   11  [@:m] . ^f\/irst# .                                / 
 5 1  28 4480 1 2 jl   11  [@] ^Robert Burns wrote . a :great deal of         / 
 5 1  28 4480 1 1 jl   11  ex":tremely bad p\/oetry# .                        / 
 5 1  28 4490 1 2 jl   11  par^ticularly that that he wrote in :what he       / 
 5 1  28 4490 1 1 jl   11  con:ceived to be \/English# .                      / 
 5 1  28 4500 1 1 jl   11  ^rather than in Lowland !d\ialect# .               / 
 5 1  28 4510 1 1 jl   11  ^some of [dhi:] :L\owland dialect p/oems#          / 
 5 1  28 4520 1 1 jl   11  are ^g\ood#                                        / 
 5 1  28 4530 1 1 jl   11  but . he`s ^not . [@] a :first cl\ass# .           / 
 5 1  28 4540 1 1 jl   11  ^major p\oet#                                      / 
 5 1  28 4550 1 2 jl   12  in the ^way in which :every Burns Night we`re [hae]/ 
 5 1  28 4550 1 1 jl   12  ^having it :d\inned in# .                          / 
 5 1  28 4560 1 1 jl   11  by "^c\ountless _Scotsmen#                         / 
 5 1  28 4570 1 1 jl   11  that he ^/is#                                      / 
 5 1  28 4580 1 1 jl   11  [it dh@] that`s ^simply un!tr\ue# .                / 
 5 1  28 4590 1 1 jl   11  the "^p\oint about Robert B/urns#                  / 
 5 1  28 4600 1 1 jl   11  ^is that :he was . ":utterly :unl\ike# -           / 
 5 1  28 4610 1 1 jl   11  the con^ventional \/image# .                       / 
 5 1  28 4620 1 1 jl   11  which the ^Scots have of thems\elves# .            / 
 5 1  29 4630 1 1 jl   11  of ^d/our#                                         / 
 5 1  29 4640 1 1 jl   11  and con^v/entional#                                / 
 5 1  29 4650 1 1 jl   11  and ^well beh/aved#                                / 
 5 1  29 4660 1 1 jl   11  and . ^m\oney-m/aking# .                           / 
 5 1  29 4670 1 1 jl   11  ^and re:sp\/ectable# .                             / 
 5 1  29 4680 1 1 jl   11  ^ch\aracters# .                                    / 
 5 1  29 4690 1 2 jl   11  ^Robert Burns was ex:actly the :opposite of :all   / 
 5 1  29 4690 1 1 jl   11  th/ose# .                                          / 
 5 1  29 4700 1 1 jl   11  ^they worship him be:cause of th\at#               / 
 5 1  29 4710 1 1 jl   11  ^not because of his p/oetry# .                     / 
 5 1  29 4720 1 2 jl   11  but be^cause he [ri] :represents :all their        / 
 5 1  29 4720 1 1 jl   11  suppressed :y\earnings# .                          / 
 5 1  29 4730 1 1 jl   11  ^\anybody could prod/uce#                          / 
 5 1  29 4740 1 1 jl   11  at ^least !two test t\eams#                        / 
 5 1  29 4750 1 1 jl   11  of ^\English wr/iters# .                           / 
 5 1  29 4760 1 1 jl   11  who ^would be "!much better worth celebr/ating# .  / 
 5 1  29 4770 1 1 jl   11  ^than B/urns#                                      / 
 5 1  29 4780 1 2 jl   11  only be^cause we`re so :c\onstipated about         / 
 5 1  29 4780 1 1 jl   11  _national _celebrations in /England#               / 
 5 1  29 4790 1 1 jl   11  we ^don`t d\o it#                                  / 
 5 1  29 4800 1 1 jl   11  and we ^just [sha:] !start with Sh\akespeare#      / 
 5 1  29 4810 1 1 jl   11  and ^go on with Ch\aucer#                          / 
 5 1  30 4820 1 1 jl   11  and . ^from h\im# .                                / 
 5 1  30 4830 1 1 jl   11  ^go on to M\ilton#                                 / 
 5 1  30 4840 1 1 jl   11  and and and ^then go on to . W/ordsworth#          / 
 5 1  30 4850 1 1 jl   11  and ^C/oleridge#                                   / 
 5 1  30 4860 1 1 jl   11  and . ^fifteen hundred \/others# .                 / 
 5 1  30 4870 1 1 jl   11  ^they`re !\all _bigger and _better#                / 
 5 1  30 4880 1 1 jl   11  than ^Robert B\urns# .                             / 
 5 1  30 4890 1 1 jl   11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 1  30 4900 1 1 jl   12  ^this is [@] ^this is being put a!cr\oss _on _us#  / 
 5 1  30 4910 1 1 jl   11  by the ^Sc\ots#                                    / 
 5 1  30 4920 1 1 jl   11  and ^don`t believe a w\ord _of it#                 / 
 5 1  30 4930 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  30 4940 1 1 f    11  ^well I`m :just w\ondering#                        / 
 5 1  30 4950 1 1 f    11  ^what the :Sc\otsmen#                              / 
 5 1  30 4960 1 1 f    11  in ^our corre:spondence for Any :\Answers#         / 
 5 1  30 4970 1 1 f    11  would ^have to say about th\is#                    / 
 5 1  30 4980 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  30 4990 1 1(f    11  ^very \interesting#                                / 
 5 1  30 5000 1 1 f    11  [@:] ^Robert Henr\iques#                           / 
 5 1  30 5010 1 1 h    11  ^well of course :Jack`s qu/ite r\ight#             / 
 5 1  30 5020 1 1 h    11  but he`s ^he`s only 'half-'way :th\ere# .          / 
 5 1  30 5030 1 2 h    11  but I ^mean . !the real real reason why [ro @]     / 
 5 1  30 5030 1 1 h    11  Burns is :so . [@] :w\/orshipped#                  / 
 5 1  31 5040 1 1 h    11  is ^because of course he was a :self-made m\/an#   / 
 5 1  31 5050 1 1 h    11  who ^got th/ere# .                                 / 
 5 1  31 5060 1 1 h    11  ^from being a f\arm l/abourer#                     / 
 5 1  31 5070 1 1 h    11  and was ac^knowledged as a !p\oet# .               / 
 5 1  31 5080 1 1 h    11  ^in his own l/ifetime#                             / 
 5 1  31 5090 1 1 h    11  and ^s\econdly#                                    / 
 5 1  31 5100 1 1 h    11  and ^far :m\ore imp/ortant#                        / 
 5 1  31 5110 1 1 h    11  he was a ter^rific :l\over#                        / 
 5 1  31 5120 1 1 h    11  a^mongst these d/our#                              / 
 5 1  31 5130 1 1 h    11  ^Presbyt/erian :Sc\ots#                            / 
 5 1  31 5140 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  31 5150 1 1(h    11  ^and he 'had an e"n\ormous n/umber#                / 
 5 1  31 5160 1 1 h    11  of ^illegitimate !ch\ildren# -                     / 
 5 1  31 5170 1 1 h    11  well it`s ^two hundred years a:g\o n/ow#           / 
 5 1  31 5180 1 2 h    11  and if ^you multiply up those those :illegitimate  / 
 5 1  31 5180 1 1 h    11  ch\ildren#                                         / 
 5 1  31 5190 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  31 5200 1 2(h    11  by the ^number of - by the :number of              / 
 5 1  31 5200 1 1(h    11  gener\/ations# .                                   / 
 5 1  31 5210 1 1 h    11  that there ^are in :two hundred y/ears# -          / 
 5 1  31 5220 1 1 h    11  ^you can :find there`re :very very few Sc\otsmen#  / 
 5 1  31 5230 1 1 h    11  who ^aren`t in f\/act#                             / 
 5 1  31 5240 1 1 h    11  ^worshipping their :own :\ancestor#                / 
 5 1  32 5250 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  32 5260 1 1 f    11  well ^that was all "v\ery pro_found#               / 
 5 1  32 5270 1 1 f    11  ^w\asn`t it#                                       / 
 5 1  32 5280 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  32 5290 1 1(f    11  ^Bill M\allalieu#                                  / 
 5 1  32 5300 1 2 m    11  well I ^certainly won`t follow Hen:riques on [@] . / 
 5 1  32 5300 1 1 m    11  on th\at one#                                      / 
 5 1  32 5310 1 1 m    11  if ^I start [@] . :naming - :British p\oets# .     / 
 5 1  32 5320 1 1 m    11  or ^great . British prominent :p\eople#            / 
 5 1  32 5330 1 1 m    11  ^who have got . illegitimate :ch\/ildren#          / 
 5 1  32 5340 1 1 m    11  ^I shall get the :BBC into [@] . :l\ibel _action#  / 
 5 1  32 5350 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  32 5360 1 1 f    11  ^not if they`re :dead two hundred y\/ears#         / 
 5 1  32 5370 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  32 5380 1 2 m    11  "^that was :one of the :points that :worries :m\e  / 
 5 1  32 5380 1 1 m    11  you _see#                                          / 
 5 1  32 5390 1 1 m    20  [@ @]                                              / 
 5 1  32 5400 1 1 f    11  the ^copyright has exp\ired#                       / 
 5 1  32 5410 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  32 5420 1 1 m    12  ^is the . is the ^questioner is w\orrying ab/out#  / 
 5 1  32 5430 1 2 m    11  [@] ^whether we :celebrate people who`ve been . two/ 
 5 1  32 5430 1 1 m    11  hundred years [@] . dead or :n\ot# .               / 
 5 1  33 5440 1 1 m    11  but [dhi:] . ^point about Burns s\urely /is#       / 
 5 1  33 5450 1 1 m    11  that we ^celebrate h/im#                           / 
 5 1  33 5460 1 1 m    11  and ^I say :we as a :Y\/orkshireman#               / 
 5 1  33 5470 1 1 m    11  and ^not an \/Englishman#                          / 
 5 1  33 5480 1 1 m    11  or a [s] ^Sc\/otsman# -                            / 
 5 1  33 5490 1 1 m    11  "^we c/elebrate him# .                             / 
 5 1  33 5500 1 2 m    11  ^because 'he was an ordinary :man who would        / 
 5 1  33 5500 1 1 m    11  suddenly :reach to the :st\ars# .                  / 
 5 1  33 5510 1 2 m    11  and ^there are "!hundreds and "!thousands of those / 
 5 1  33 5510 1 1 m    11  in British h\istory# .                             / 
 5 1  33 5520 1 1 m    11  [@] ^Sh/elley# .                                   / 
 5 1  33 5530 1 1 m    11  ^Sh/akespeare# -                                   / 
 5 1  33 5540 1 1 m    11  ^even K\eats# -                                    / 
 5 1  33 5550 1 2 m    11  we can ^do . :plenty of [@] . produce [pre] :plenty/ 
 5 1  33 5550 1 1 m    11  of r/ivals to :B\urns# .                           / 
 5 1  33 5560 1 1 m    11  I ^d\oubt#                                         / 
 5 1  33 5570 1 3 m    11  ^whether we can get [dhi: @] . :Russians to [@] .  / 
 5 1  33 5570 1 2 m    11  :give an English broadcast about [@] . about [@] . / 
 5 1  33 5570 1 1 m    11  :Shelley or . or K/eats#                           / 
 5 1  34 5580 1 1 m    11  but [@] . ^they`re just as good for :\a 'that#     / 
 5 1  34 5590 1 1 f    11  [@m] ^s\o far#                                     / 
 5 1  34 5600 1 1 f    11  we`ve ^really only had a :g\o at _Robert B=urns#   / 
 5 1  34 5610 1 1 f    11  we ^haven`t :r\eally _answered#                    / 
 5 1  34 5620 1 1 f    11  the ^second part of the qu/estion#                 / 
 5 1  34 5630 1 1 f    11  ^what Englishman or :w\oman# .                     / 
 5 1  34 5640 1 1 f    11  ^th\at`s imp/ortant# .                             / 
 5 1  34 5650 1 1 f    11  can be con^sidered :worthy of similar celebr\ation#/ 
 5 1  34 5660 1 1 f    11  we`ve ^mentioned one or two n\ebulous ch/aracters# / 
 5 1  34 5670 1 1 f    11  but we ^still haven`t r\eally _come to the p/oint# / 
 5 1  34 5680 1 1 tl   20  there`s [o:]                                       / 
 5 1  34 5690 1 1 f    11  ^Ted L\eather#                                     / 
 5 1  34 5700 1 1 tl   11  there ^was Terry D\ean of c/ourse#                 / 
 5 1  34 5710 1 1 f    11  ^oh w\ell#                                         / 
 5 1  34 5720 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  34 5730 1 1 tl   11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 1  34 5740 1 2 tl   11  [a:] ^I`m [@] . de:scended :both from !English     / 
 5 1  34 5740 1 1 tl   11  /\and _Scots#                                      / 
 5 1  35 5750 1 1 tl   11  and ^on [@] Saturday n/ight#                       / 
 5 1  35 5760 1 2 tl   11  I had the . ^pleasure of pro:posing the im:mortal  / 
 5 1  35 5760 1 1 tl   11  memory of :Robert B/urns# -                        / 
 5 1  35 5770 1 1 tl   11  ^most of the :gags I /used#                        / 
 5 1  35 5780 1 1 tl   11  have al^r\eady been /used#                         / 
 5 1  35 5790 1 2 tl   11  by the ^two ch/aracters at the other end of the    / 
 5 1  35 5790 1 1 tl   11  :t\able#                                           / 
 5 1  35 5800 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  35 5810 1 1(tl   11  which is ^very unf/air# .                          / 
 5 1  35 5820 1 1 tl   11  ^one point t\/oo#                                  / 
 5 1  35 5830 1 1 tl   11  that that which they ^didn`t throw any l\ight /on# / 
 5 1  35 5840 1 1 tl   11  and ^if they come b/\ack#                          / 
 5 1  35 5850 1 1 tl   11  I ^hope they w/\ill# .                             / 
 5 1  35 5860 1 1 tl   11  [@] I ^noted in my re:searches on :B\urns#         / 
 5 1  35 5870 1 1 tl   11  that [@] . this [@:] . pro^lific [@] vi:r\ility#   / 
 5 1  35 5880 1 1 tl   11  with ^which he was n/oted#                         / 
 5 1  35 5890 1 3 tl   11  and [ae a: a:] I . ^quickly ap:preciated :why that / 
 5 1  35 5890 1 2 tl   11  en:deared him to :Scots !m\en all over the         / 
 5 1  35 5890 1 1 tl   11  w/orld# -                                          / 
 5 1  35 5900 1 2 tl   11  I`ve ^yet to find out :why it makes him so be:loved/ 
 5 1  35 5900 1 1 tl   11  by the :Scots !w\omen#                             / 
 5 1  35 5910 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  36 5920 1 2 tl   11  but ^I don`t know whether anybody can :\answer     / 
 5 1  36 5920 1 1 tl   11  that# .                                            / 
 5 1  36 5930 1 2 tl   11  [@: ae a:] ^I don`t think it`s necessary to        / 
 5 1  36 5930 1 1 tl   11  :d\enigrate B/urns#                                / 
 5 1  36 5940 1 2 tl   11  he was [@ . a:] "^I found his poetry :quite        / 
 5 1  36 5940 1 1 tl   11  !ch\arming# .                                      / 
 5 1  36 5950 1 1 tl   11  but ^if we !have to look for . /Englishmen#        / 
 5 1  36 5960 1 1 tl   11  well ^some of them have been m\entioned#           / 
 5 1  36 5970 1 1 tl   11  ^c\ertainly#                                       / 
 5 1  36 5980 1 1 tl   11  ^Sh/akespeare#                                     / 
 5 1  36 5990 1 1 tl   11  [@] . ^M/ilton# .                                  / 
 5 1  36 6000 1 1 tl   11  and ^Ch/aucer#                                     / 
 5 1  36 6010 1 1 tl   11  ^K/eats#                                           / 
 5 1  36 6020 1 1 tl   11  ^Sh/elley#                                         / 
 5 1  36 6030 1 2 tl   11  ^one could . one could go on for :quite some       / 
 5 1  36 6030 1 1 tl   11  t/ime# .                                           / 
 5 1  36 6040 1 1 tl   13  ^while we`re ^if we`re :[di:] ^\after all#         / 
 5 1  36 6050 1 1 tl   11  and ^if we`re :trying to equate Burns as a p/oet#  / 
 5 1  36 6060 1 1 tl   11  we`ve got ^th/em# .                                / 
 5 1  36 6070 1 1 tl   11  if we`re ^trying to equate him as a r/ake#         / 
 5 1  36 6080 1 1 tl   11  we`ve got ^milord B/yron#                          / 
 5 1  36 6090 1 1 tl   11  who was ^rather good at that t/oo# .               / 
 5 1  36 6100 1 1 tl   11  [@:m] - and ^w\omen# -                             / 
 5 1  36 6110 1 1 tl   11  ^w=ell#                                            / 
 5 1  36 6120 1 1 tl   11  [hm] - it ^kind of :ties a :man !d\own#            / 
 5 1  37 6130 1 1 tl   11  ^d\oesn`t it#                                      / 
 5 1  37 6140 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  37 6150 1 1 f    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 1  37 6160 1 1 ?    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 1  37 6170 1 1 ?    21  ^I I don`t :think it                               / 
 5 1  37 6180 1 1 tl   11  ^Diana !D\ors I th/ink#                            / 
 5 1  37 6190 1 1 tl   11  would be ^m\y choice#                              / 
 5 1  37 6200 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  37 6210 1 1 f    21  well I ^don`t                                      / 
 5 1  37 6220 1 1 tl   11  ^don`t misunder!st\and me#                         / 
 5 1  37 6230 1 1 tl   11  I`m ^very !f\ond of _Diana _Dors#                  / 
 5 1  37 6240 1 1 aud  11  but she`s ^not two hundred years \old#             / 
 5 1  37 6250 1 1 tl   11  ^no by golly and neither am \I#                    / 
 5 1  37 6260 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 1  37 6270 1 1 f    11  ^Robert Henr\iques#                                / 
 5 1  37 6280 1 1 h    11  no "^I just think we`ve got to adm/it#             / 
 5 1  37 6290 1 1 h    11  we ^haven`t !g\ot anybody#                         / 
 5 1  37 6300 1 1 h    11  to ^put against B\urns#                            / 
 5 1  37 6310 1 1 h    11  in ^\England#                                      / 
 5 1  37 6320 1 1 h    11  you see we ^haven`t got a :self-made m/an#         / 
 5 1  37 6330 1 1 h    11  who was a ^{gr=eat} . g=ay l/over#                 / 
 5 1  38 6340 1 1 h    11  "^and a fine :p\oet#                               / 
 5 1  38 6350 1 2 h    11  and [wi] ^all we can do is :rake up somebody like  / 
 5 1  38 6350 1 1 h    11  :Piers !Pl\owman#                                  / 
 5 1  38 6360 1 1 h    11  who was a ^literary !\oddity# .                    / 
 5 1  38 6370 1 1 h    11  [@ @ @ wi] ^\otherwise we c/an`t ((do it))#        / 
 5 1  38 6380 1 1 h    11  ^Shakespeare is :too long ag/o#                    / 
 5 1  38 6390 1 1 h    11  we ^don`t :kn\ow about his _private _life#         / 
 5 1  38 6400 1 1 h    11  it`s ^all g\uesswork# .                            / 
 5 1  38 6410 1 1 h    11  ^Chaucer 'might have been the ch/ap#               / 
 5 1  38 6420 1 1 h    11  but we ^don`t know who he !w\as#                   / 
 5 1  38 6430 1 1 h    11  we`ve ^only got his !p\oetry#                      / 
 5 1  38 6440 1 1 h    11  to ^g\o by# -                                      / 
 5 1  38 6450 1 1 h    11  ^Burns`s :person/ality#                            / 
 5 1  38 6460 1 2 h    11  ^he somehow :stamped his person:ality on his :age  / 
 5 1  38 6460 1 1 h    11  while he was al/ive#                               / 
 5 1  38 6470 1 1 h    11  and it`s ^lasted !right !through !n\ow#            / 
 5 1  38 6480 1 1 h    11  and ^therefore :he was in fact a great :m\an#      / 
 5 1  38 6490 1 1 h    11  and we ^don`t know wh/y#                           / 
 5 1  38 6500 1 1 h    11  but he ^w\as# .                                    / 
 5 1  38 6510 1 1 h    11  and we ^can`t \equal him#                          / 
 5 1  39 6520 1 1 f    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 1  39 6530 1 1 f    11  ^Bill M/allalieu# .                                / 
 5 1  39 6540 1 1 f    11  ^got any [ais] id/eas#                             / 
 5 1  39 6550 1 1 m    11  ^no nothing m\ore#                                 / 
 5 1  39 6560 1 1 f    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 1  39 6570 1 1 f    11  ^/all right# .                                     / 
 5 1  39 6580 1 1 f    11  well ^there we \are# .                             / 
 5 1  39 6590 1 1 f    11  and we go ^on to the next question fr\om#          / 
 5 1  39 6600 1 1 f    20  (name)                                             / 
 5 1  39 6610 1 4 II   20  (what does the team consider are the real reasons  / 
 5 1  39 6610 1 3 II   20  for the West`s continued support of the Krupp      / 
 5 1  39 6610 1 2 II   20  empire in the face of their unanimous decision     / 
 5 1  39 6610 1 1 II   20  against this at the end of the war)                / 
 5 1  39 6620 1 1 f    11  ^Ted . Ted L/eather#                               / 
 5 1  39 6630 1 1 tl   11  ^I . I`m :quite :frankly !fl/\ummoxed# .           / 
 5 1  39 6640 1 2 tl   11  ^I didn`t :know we "!were still supporting the     / 
 5 1  39 6640 1 1 tl   11  Krupp /empire#                                     / 
 5 1  39 6650 1 2 tl   11  and . the ^fellow who :asked the :question`s a     / 
 5 1  39 6650 1 1 tl   11  :personal !friend of m/ine#                        / 
 5 1  39 6660 1 1 tl   11  he`s ^really put me on the !sp\ot# -               / 
 5 1  40 6670 1 1 tl   11  ^I quite honestly don`t !kn/\ow#                   / 
 5 1  40 6680 1 1 f    11  ^Bill M/allalieu#                                  / 
 5 1  40 6690 1 1 m    11  ^I would have th\ought#                            / 
 5 1  40 6700 1 2 m    11  that ^we "!are supporting the [?] the Krupp        / 
 5 1  40 6700 1 1 m    11  \empire# -                                         / 
 5 1  40 6710 1 1 m    11  [dhi:] . ^Krupp empire to m\/e# -                  / 
 5 1  40 6720 1 1 m    11  it`s a ^word that makes me see w\ar# .             / 
 5 1  40 6730 1 1 m    11  I`ve got "^deep "prejudices a:g\ainst it# .        / 
 5 1  40 6740 1 2 m    11  but I be^lieve that we !\are beginning to supp/ort / 
 5 1  40 6740 1 1 m    11  it _Ted# -                                         / 
 5 1  40 6750 1 2 m    11  be^cause we`ve :got [@] . the :fear of :communists / 
 5 1  40 6750 1 1 m    11  under our b\eds# .                                 / 
 5 1  40 6760 1 2 m    11  we ^think that [dhi: @] . :Germans have the most   / 
 5 1  40 6760 1 1 m    11  efficient /organizers# -                           / 
 5 1  40 6770 1 1 m    11  ^whether of !peace or of w\ar#                     / 
 5 1  40 6780 1 1 m    11  and in ^this sense we`re :talking about w/ar# .    / 
 5 1  40 6790 1 1 m    11  and we ^think that :Krupps will be :=useful#       / 
 5 1  40 6800 1 2 m    11  if ^ever the West 'comes into . armed conflict with/ 
 5 1  40 6800 1 1 m    11  the . :\East# -                                    / 
 5 1  41 6810 1 1 m    11  I think it is [ei] "^t/errible#                    / 
 5 1  41 6820 1 1 m    11  and "^dangerous line to t\ake# .                   / 
 5 1  41 6830 1 1 m    11  ^I p/ersonally#                                    / 
 5 1  41 6840 1 1 m    11  would ^not 'trust . the :German n=ation# .         / 
 5 1  41 6850 1 1 m    11  as ^I`ve known it during my l/ifetime# .           / 
 5 1  41 6860 1 1 m    11  with a "^p\opgun#                                  / 
 5 1  41 6870 1 1 m    11  let a^lone with [dhi:] . "r/\eal ma_chinery#       / 
 5 1  41 6880 1 1 m    11  of ^w\ar# -                                        / 
 5 1  41 6890 1 1 m    11  ^what I "!would trust them w/ith# .                / 
 5 1  41 6900 1 1 m    11  is the ^machinery of p\eace#                       / 
 5 1  41 6910 1 1 m    11  they ^{\are} good \organizers# .                   / 
 5 1  41 6920 1 1 m    11  they`re ^w/\onderful#                              / 
 5 1  41 6930 1 1 m    11  pro^d\ucers# .                                     / 
 5 1  41 6940 1 1 m    11  ^they could pro:duce the :steel that we n/eed# .   / 
 5 1  41 6950 1 1 m    11  ^we the whole w\orld n/eeds#                       / 
 5 1  41 6960 1 1 m    11  to ^build up the backward areas of the w/orld#     / 
 5 1  41 6970 1 1 m    11  and to ^build up our standards of l\iving# .       / 
 5 1  41 6980 1 2 m    11  ^I`d like to see :Krupp . under different          / 
 5 1  41 6980 1 1 m    11  contr\/ol# .                                       / 
 5 1  41 6990 1 1 m    11  pro^ducing for :peace . and :not for w\ar# .       / 
 5 1  42 7000 1 2 m    11  but I ^think we`re !still . letting him pro:duce   / 
 5 1  42 7000 1 1 m    11  for w/ar# .                                        / 
 5 1  42 7010 1 1 m    11  because we ^think that :war is going to :c\ome#    / 
 5 1  42 7020 1 1 tl   11  [k@] . ^can !I just come b/ack#                    / 
 5 1  42 7030 1 1 f    11  ^yes T/ed Leather#                                 / 
 5 1  42 7040 1 1 tl   11  with with a ^supplem\entary on th/is#              / 
 5 1  42 7050 1 1 tl   11  because ^this is a 'very im:portant :qu\estion# .  / 
 5 1  42 7060 1 1 tl   11  in ^what way 'are 'we sup"!p\orting him# .         / 
 5 1  42 7070 1 1 tl   11  now ^obviously the :questioner has [@n {/ai} "/ei]#/ 
 5 1  42 7080 1 1 tl   11  ^may I just say :two p\oints# .                    / 
 5 1  42 7090 1 1 tl   11  ^/A# .                                             / 
 5 1  42 7100 1 1 tl   11  ^/\I don`t#                                        / 
 5 1  42 7110 1 1 tl   11  ((12 sylls )) ^well I :may have !missed s/omething#/ 
 5 1  42 7120 1 1 tl   11  I ^don`t know what we`re what "!w\e are doing#     / 
 5 1  42 7130 1 1 tl   11  to sup^p\ort it# .                                 / 
 5 1  42 7140 1 1 tl   11  and ^s\econdly#                                    / 
 5 1  42 7150 1 1 tl   11  ^let`s be 'quite :cl/\ear# .                       / 
 5 1  43 7160 1 1 tl   11  ^Krupp is a !German c\/itizen#                     / 
 5 1  43 7170 1 1 tl   11  ^in G\/ermany#                                     / 
 5 1  43 7180 1 1 tl   11  ^which for !good or for /ill#                      / 
 5 1  43 7190 1 1 tl   11  is a ^free and inde:pendent !c\ountry# -           / 
 5 1  43 7200 1 1 tl   11  ^wh/\at [@]#                                       / 
 5 1  43 7210 1 1 tl   11  ^r/\ight [@]#                                      / 
 5 1  43 7220 1 1 tl   11  ^w\e h/ave#                                        / 
 5 1  43 7230 1 1 tl   11  to . ^tell somebody "!in !G\ermany#                / 
 5 1  43 7240 1 1 tl   11  what he ^may do or may !n/\ot _do# .               / 
 5 1  43 7250 1 1 tl   11  ^I don`t kn/ow#                                    / 
 5 1  43 7260 1 2 tl   11  ^I shouldn`t have thought we`ve any !power in the  / 
 5 1  43 7260 1 1 tl   11  m/atter#                                           / 
 5 1  43 7270 1 1 tl   11  ^one way or the /\other# .                         / 
 5 1  43 7280 1 1 tl   11  ^s/\urely#                                         / 
 5 1  43 7290 1 1 f    11  ^\yes# .                                           / 
 5 1  43 7300 1 1 f    11  [@:] ^R/obert#                                     / 
 5 1  43 7310 1 2 h    11  well [dh dh dh] . the ^straightforward !f\acts of  / 
 5 1  43 7310 1 1 h    11  the qu/estion#                                     / 
 5 1  43 7320 1 1 h    11  [a:r@] are ^th\is# .                               / 
 5 1  43 7330 1 2 h    11  that ^Krupp . property was o:riginally             / 
 5 1  43 7330 1 1 h    11  :c\onfisc/ated# .                                  / 
 5 1  43 7340 1 1 h    11  [@] ^by an A!merican c/ourt#                       / 
 5 1  43 7350 1 1 h    11  ^just after the w/ar# .                            / 
 5 1  43 7360 1 1 h    11  when ^Krupp was tried as a :war cr\iminal# .       / 
 5 1  43 7370 1 1 h    11  ^that that [@] :v\/erdict#                         / 
 5 1  43 7380 1 1 h    11  was ^subsequently rev/ersed#                       / 
 5 1  44 7390 1 2 h    11  and his ^property was ordered !n\ot to be          / 
 5 1  44 7390 1 1 h    11  c/onfiscated#                                      / 
 5 1  44 7400 1 1 h    11  but in ^fact to be !s\/old#                        / 
 5 1  44 7410 1 1 h    11  to other ^German ind\ustrialists# -                / 
 5 1  44 7420 1 1 h    11  ^other German ind/ustrialists#                     / 
 5 1  44 7430 1 1 h    11  have re^fused to b/\uy it#                         / 
 5 1  44 7440 1 2 h    11  and ^there`ve been !nothing but ri:diculously low  / 
 5 1  44 7440 1 1 h    11  :b\ids# -                                          / 
 5 1  44 7450 1 1 h    11  ^bec/ause#                                         / 
 5 1  44 7460 1 1 h    11  ^German [imba]d/ustrialists# .                     / 
 5 1  44 7470 1 1 h    11  ^by and l/arge# .                                  / 
 5 1  44 7480 1 1 h    11  ^like to think of Krupp th/ere#                    / 
 5 1  44 7490 1 1 h    11  as a ^great 'symbol of 'German p/\ower# -          / 
 5 1  44 7500 1 2 h    11  ^now . the :thing that !does . astonish me is      / 
 5 1  44 7500 1 1 h    11  th\is#                                             / 
 5 1  44 7510 1 1 h    11  ^Ted Leather ((s/ays))#                            / 
 5 1  44 7520 1 1 h    11  ^what right have we :got to interv\ene#            / 
 5 1  44 7530 1 1 h    11  ^unf\/ortunately#                                  / 
 5 1  44 7540 1 1 h    11  ^n\one#                                            / 
 5 1  44 7550 1 1 h    11  but we "^\ought to have a _right# .                / 
 5 1  44 7560 1 1 h    11  and . ^Mallalieu s/ays# .                          / 
 5 1  44 7570 1 2 h    11  ^like - a :tiny mi:nority of about :five hundred   / 
 5 1  44 7570 1 1 h    11  million :\other people in the world s/ay# .        / 
 5 1  45 7580 1 1 h    11  ^what \is all this _business#                      / 
 5 1  45 7590 1 1 h    11  of ^putting Germany back as a :big p/ower#         / 
 5 1  45 7600 1 1 h    11  and an ^independent n/ation# .                     / 
 5 1  45 7610 1 2 h    11  and ^saying that the :unity of :Germany is [dhi . i/ 
 5 1  45 7610 1 1 h    11  i i] is the :first ess\ential#                     / 
 5 1  45 7620 1 1 h    11  ^\everybody`s _saying _that#                       / 
 5 1  45 7630 1 1 h    11  and yet ^five hundred million people in the w\orld#/ 
 5 1  45 7640 1 1 h    11  when you ^m\eet them# .                            / 
 5 1  45 7650 1 1 h    11  ^say we`ve :fought "two w\ars#                     / 
 5 1  45 7660 2 1 h    21  to ^destroy Germany                                / 
 5 1  45 7670 1 1 ?    20  hear hear                                          / 
 5 1  45 7660 1 1(h    11  ":as [ei] n/ation# .                               / 
 5 1  45 7680 1 1 h    11  we ^don`t want to be un:kind to German p/eople# .  / 
 5 1  45 7690 1 1 h    11  we`ll be ^perfectly ch/aritable#                   / 
 5 1  45 7700 1 1 h    11  we`ll for^g/ive them#                              / 
 5 1  45 7710 1 2 h    11  we`ll ^see that they . they :live in perfectly     / 
 5 1  45 7710 1 1 h    11  :decent cond/itions#                               / 
 5 1  45 7720 1 1 h    11  but we do ^not want a 're'unified German n\ation#  / 
 5 1  45 7730 1 1 h    11  that`s what they ^\all the _small _people#         / 
 5 1  45 7740 1 1 h    11  ^\all#                                             / 
 5 1  46 7750 1 1 h    11  ^like mys\elf# .                                   / 
 5 1  46 7760 1 1 h    11  ^like M\allalieu even#                             / 
 5 1  46 7770 1 1 h    11  who`s a ^Member of :P/\arliament# .                / 
 5 1  46 7780 1 2 h    11  ^like !sc\ores of _other people in _Westminster are/ 
 5 1  46 7780 1 1 h    11  _saying#                                           / 
 5 1  46 7790 1 1 h    11  ^t/\oo# .                                          / 
 5 1  46 7800 1 1 h    11  and ^y\et#                                         / 
 5 1  46 7810 1 2 h    11  ^this remains national policy all over the         / 
 5 1  46 7810 1 1 h    11  w\orld# .                                          / 
 5 1  46 7820 1 1 h    11  to ^make Germany :back a:gain a str/ong#           / 
 5 1  46 7830 1 1 h    11  to ^make it a u!nited !strong n/ation# .           / 
 5 1  46 7840 1 1 h    11  and . and when you "^have a united strong n/ation# / 
 5 1  46 7850 1 2 h    11  it`s got the ^right to keep its :great .           / 
 5 1  46 7850 1 1 h    11  in:dustrial - ":armaments f\actory#                / 
 5 1  46 7860 1 3 h    11  because it can be ^turned into :armaments any      / 
 5 1  46 7860 1 2 h    11  :moment though the :armaments part has been        / 
 5 1  46 7860 1 1 h    11  destroyed at Kr/upps# .                            / 
 5 1  46 7870 1 2 h    11  and it is [dh@] and ^while there is a u:nited      / 
 5 1  46 7870 1 1 h    11  Germany !w\ith Krupp# .                            / 
 5 1  46 7880 1 3 h    11  then the ^world is in !greater danger than it :ever/ 
 5 1  46 7880 1 2 h    11  'is from the :other side of the Iron :Curtain in   / 
 5 1  46 7880 1 1 h    11  !m\y opinion#                                      / 
 5 1  47 7890 1 1 ?    20  hear hear                                          / 
 5 1  47 7900 1 1 f    11  ^J/ack Longland#                                   / 
 5 1  47 7910 1 1 jl   11  ^yes I . :I agr\ee#                                / 
 5 1  47 7920 1 2 jl   11  ^I . think there`s . v\ery little we can do about  / 
 5 1  47 7920 1 1 jl   11  it n/ow#                                           / 
 5 1  47 7930 1 1 jl   11  be^cause we`ve !sold the p\/ass# -                 / 
 5 1  47 7940 1 1 jl   11  [@m] ^seven or eight years ag\o# .                 / 
 5 1  47 7950 1 1 jl   11  you ^s/ee# .                                       / 
 5 1  47 7960 1 1 jl   11  there "^was a t/ime# .                             / 
 5 1  47 7970 1 2 jl   11  [@] in ^which . every . reasonably peaceful . and ./ 
 5 1  47 7970 1 1 jl   11  :democratic . :p\/arty# .                          / 
 5 1  47 7980 1 1 jl   11  and ^indiv/idual#                                  / 
 5 1  47 7990 1 1 jl   11  in ^G/ermany# .                                    / 
 5 1  47 8000 1 1 jl   11  ^looked to /us# .                                  / 
 5 1  47 8010 1 2 jl   11  and ^looked to the ex'tremely [di:p] decent :chaps / 
 5 1  47 8010 1 1 jl   11  we h\ad#                                           / 
 5 1  47 8020 1 1 jl   11  ^I th/ink#                                         / 
 5 1  47 8030 1 1 jl   11  ^on the wh/ole in# .                               / 
 5 1  47 8040 1 1 jl   11  ^military g/overnment#                             / 
 5 1  47 8050 1 1 jl   11  [@n] and ^in the Contr\ol Comm/ission# .           / 
 5 1  47 8060 1 2 jl   11  who "^were trying to build up :all 'that 'part of ./ 
 5 1  47 8060 1 1 jl   11  :l\iberal G/ermany#                                / 
 5 1  48 8070 1 1 jl   11  which . "^had 'been - :really in ecl\ipse# .       / 
 5 1  48 8080 1 1 jl   11  ^ever since . :B\ismarck#                          / 
 5 1  48 8090 1 1 jl   11  or per^haps even further b\ack# -                  / 
 5 1  48 8100 1 1 jl   11  ^and !/once#                                       / 
 5 1  48 8110 1 1 jl   11  ^as . M\allalieu said#                             / 
 5 1  48 8120 1 1 jl   11  ^quite r/ightly#                                   / 
 5 1  48 8130 1 1 jl   11  we be^gan to see :communists under every b/ed# -   / 
 5 1  48 8140 1 1 jl   11  ^we 'sold 'that p\ass# .                           / 
 5 1  48 8150 1 1 jl   11  we ^said we !cannot 'do with:\out# .               / 
 5 1  48 8160 1 1 jl   11  a ^strong and :re/armed#                           / 
 5 1  48 8170 1 1 jl   11  ^Western G\ermany# .                               / 
 5 1  48 8180 1 1 jl   11  and ^what h\appened# .                             / 
 5 1  48 8190 1 1 jl   11  ^all sorts of :nasty little :ex-N\azis#            / 
 5 1  48 8200 1 1 jl   11  started ^crawling 'out from under st/ones# .       / 
 5 1  48 8210 1 2 jl   11  and ^getting into positions they !never 'would have/ 
 5 1  48 8210 1 1 jl   11  d/one# .                                           / 
 5 1  48 8220 1 1 jl   11  if we`d ^stuck to our o:riginal p/olicy# .         / 
 5 1  48 8230 1 1 jl   11  ^/and# .                                           / 
 5 1  48 8240 1 1 jl   11  at the ^same t/ime#                                / 
 5 1  48 8250 1 1 jl   11  we`ve ^sold the p/ass about these# .               / 
 5 1  48 8260 1 1 jl   11  in^dustrial empires like Kr/upps#                  / 
 5 1  48 8270 1 1 jl   11  which ^in the !p\ast# .                            / 
 5 1  48 8280 1 1 jl   11  ^had been built up . :very l/argely#               / 
 5 1  49 8290 1 1 jl   11  ^on the arms tr\ade# .                             / 
 5 1  49 8300 1 2 jl   11  and [@] . ^even if . they`re not :selling arms     / 
 5 1  49 8300 1 1 jl   11  n/ow#                                              / 
 5 1  49 8310 1 1 jl   11  in ^\/origin# .                                    / 
 5 1  49 8320 1 1 jl   11  ^that is a :filthy and d\irty tr/ade# .            / 
 5 1  49 8330 1 1 jl   11  I ^don`t think :\/anyone#                          / 
 5 1  49 8340 1 2 jl   11  ^I . I would say the :same thing about :Vickers if / 
 5 1  49 8340 1 1 jl   11  they were doing it n/ow# .                         / 
 5 1  49 8350 1 1 jl   11  I ^don`t think that the :\arms tr/ade# .           / 
 5 1  49 8360 1 1 jl   11  for ^export at :\any r/ate# .                      / 
 5 1  49 8370 1 2 jl   11  ^ought to be in the hands of private individuals at/ 
 5 1  49 8370 1 1 jl   11  :\all#                                             / 
 5 1  49 8380 1 1 jl   11  if ((you`ve)) ^got to have /arms# .                / 
 5 1  49 8390 1 1 jl   11  it ^ought to be a :government mon\opoly# .         / 
 5 1  49 8400 1 1 jl   11  ^I think it`s a !b\ad th/ing#                      / 
 5 1  49 8410 1 1 jl   11  and it ^ought to be st\opped#                      / 
 5 1  49 8420 1 1 f    11  ^Ted L/eather#                                     / 
 5 1  49 8430 1 2 tl   11  well . [a:] ^I`m not :advocating [ei] :pr\o-German / 
 5 1  49 8430 1 1 tl   11  p/olicy#                                           / 
 5 1  50 8440 1 1 tl   11  or an ^\anti-German 'policy#                       / 
 5 1  50 8450 1 1 tl   11  but for ^heaven`s s\akes#                          / 
 5 1  50 8460 1 2 tl   11  we ^have to keep 'some sense of re:\ality in this  / 
 5 1  50 8460 1 1 tl   11  _programme# -                                      / 
 5 1  50 8470 1 1 tl   11  in the ^first pl\ace# *.*                          / 
 5 1  50 8480 1 1 tl   12  ^none of my . [w@ha:] . ^w\ell#                    / 
 5 1  50 8490 2 1 tl   21  it`s a ^nice                                       / 
 5 1  50 8500 1 1 h    11  *^wh\y#*                                           / 
 5 1  50 8490 1 1(tl   11  th\ought R/obert#                                  / 
 5 1  50 8510 1 1 tl   11  ^I agr\ee#                                         / 
 5 1  50 8520 1 1 tl   11  ^you and I could have more :f\un the _other _way# -/ 
 5 1  50 8530 1 1 tl   11  but in the ^first pl/ace#                          / 
 5 1  50 8540 1 1 tl   11  "^n\one of my c/olleagues#                         / 
 5 1  50 8550 1 1 tl   11  have ^said !\/anything#                            / 
 5 1  50 8560 1 1 tl   11  to [s@p] to ^\/indicate# .                         / 
 5 1  50 8570 1 2 tl   11  ^any evidence that we are . sup"!p\orting the      / 
 5 1  50 8570 1 1 tl   11  _Krupp _empire#                                    / 
 5 1  50 8580 1 1 tl   11  which ^is the !qu\estion# .                        / 
 5 1  50 8590 1 1 tl   11  and ^\I don`t bel/ieve#                            / 
 5 1  50 8600 1 1 tl   11  we ^are doing !\anything to supp/ort it#           / 
 5 1  50 8610 1 1 h    11  there`s a ^Times leader to:d\ay# .                 / 
 5 1  50 8620 1 1 h    11  [@] ^T\ed# .                                       / 
 5 1  51 8630 1 2 h    11  pointing out that it was ^perfectly :l\egal to     / 
 5 1  51 8630 1 1 h    11  l/et#                                              / 
 5 1  51 8640 1 1 h    11  ^perfectly :l\ogical#                              / 
 5 1  51 8650 1 1 h    11  the ^Times first l\eader# .                        / 
 5 1  51 8660 1 1 h    11  *((that Krupps should))* get it ^b\ack#            / 
 5 1  51 8670 1 1 tl   11  *^I !s\aw that#*                                   / 
 5 1  51 8680 1 1 tl   11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 1  51 8690 1 1 tl   11  ^I I !s\aw that# .                                 / 
 5 1  51 8700 1 1 tl   11  ^but a!g\ain I _say#                               / 
 5 1  51 8710 1 1 tl   11  ^we 'have 'no p/ower#                              / 
 5 1  51 8720 1 1 tl   11  ^either to supp/ort or !n\ot to support# .         / 
 5 1  51 8730 1 1 tl   11  ^any more than the :G\erman g/overnment#           / 
 5 1  51 8740 1 1 tl   11  or the ^It\alian g/overnment#                      / 
 5 1  51 8750 1 1 tl   11  ^has the p/ower#                                   / 
 5 1  51 8760 1 1 tl   11  to sup^p/ort#                                      / 
 5 1  51 8770 1 1 tl   11  or ^not supp/ort# *-*                              / 
 5 1  51 8780 2 1 tl   21  the ^company that owns this                        / 
 5 1  51 8790 1 1 ?    11  *but ^T/\ed#*                                      / 
 5 1  51 8780 1 1(tl   11  :factory we`re /\in#                               / 
 5 1  51 8800 1 1 tl   11  it`s ^none of our !b\usiness# -                    / 
 5 1  51 8810 1 1 tl   11  and ^/\all this _business#                         / 
 5 1  51 8820 1 1 tl   11  about ^selling the p\ass#                          / 
 5 1  51 8830 1 1 tl   11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 5 1  51 8840 1 1 tl   11  a^gain with !gr\eat resp/ect#                      / 
 5 1  51 8850 1 1 tl   11  it`s ^quite unreal!\istic# -                       / 
 5 1  52 8860 1 1 tl   11  it`s ^long long time b/ack#                        / 
 5 1  52 8870 1 1 tl   11  in the ^first !few years :after the w\ar# -        / 
 5 1  52 8880 1 1 tl   11  the ^British p/eople#                              / 
 5 1  52 8890 1 1 tl   11  ^through their :representatives in P/arliament#    / 
 5 1  52 8900 1 1 tl   11  of "^\all p/arties# .                              / 
 5 1  52 8910 1 1 tl   11  and ^my party were !n\ot _in _power at that t/ime# / 
 5 1  52 8920 1 2 tl   11  although we . "^thoroughly . sup!p\orted the       / 
 5 1  52 8920 1 1 tl   11  _Labour _government#                               / 
 5 1  52 8930 1 1 tl   11  in ^wh\at they d/id# .                             / 
 5 1  52 8940 1 1 tl   11  ^had to make a :basic dec\ision# .                 / 
 5 1  52 8950 1 1 tl   11  ^are y=ou# -                                       / 
 5 1  52 8960 1 1 tl   11  pre^p\ared# -                                      / 
 5 1  52 8970 1 1 tl   11  ^to !keep the "!wh\ole#                            / 
 5 1  52 8980 1 1 tl   11  of this ^vast central mass of :/Europe# .          / 
 5 1  52 8990 1 2 tl   11  [@:] ^as [ei . @] po:lice con:trolled state :run by/ 
 5 1  52 8990 1 1 tl   11  the \Allies# -                                     / 
 5 1  52 9000 1 1 tl   11  and "^\everybody#                                  / 
 5 1  52 9010 1 2 tl   11  in ^this country and the :free world !said n/o they/ 
 5 1  52 9010 1 1 tl   11  "w\eren`t# -                                       / 
 5 1  52 9020 1 1 tl   11  now . ^th\at being s/o#                            / 
 5 1  52 9030 1 1 tl   11  ^you :th\en s/aid#                                 / 
 5 1  52 9040 1 1 tl   11  ^all r/ight#                                       / 
 5 1  52 9050 1 1 tl   11  we al^l\ow G/ermany#                               / 
 5 1  52 9060 1 1 tl   11  her . ^freedom and her :\indep/endence#            / 
 5 1  53 9070 1 1 tl   11  to de^v/elop#                                      / 
 5 1  53 9080 1 1 tl   11  the ^same as any other !c\ountry# .                / 
 5 1  53 9090 1 1 tl   11  and "^\all these _things#                          / 
 5 1  53 9100 1 1 tl   11  ^whether you !l\ike them or n/ot#                  / 
 5 1  53 9110 1 1 tl   11  ^flow !quite in/evitably#                          / 
 5 1  53 9120 1 1 tl   11  ^fr/om !th\at# .                                   / 
 5 1  53 9130 1 1 tl   11  ^we may ap"pr/ove#                                 / 
 5 1  53 9140 1 1 tl   11  or "^d\isapprove#                                  / 
 5 1  53 9150 1 1 tl   11  of ^what the :German government d/\oes# -          / 
 5 1  53 9160 1 1 tl   11  ^but !when . w/\e# .                               / 
 5 1  53 9170 1 1 tl   11  "^((\all)) the _Allies# .                          / 
 5 1  53 9180 1 2 tl   11  and ^certainly the !vast ma!jority of the :Br\itish/ 
 5 1  53 9180 1 1 tl   11  _people#                                           / 
 5 1  53 9190 1 1 tl   11  ^said !way back in the :nineteen f/\orties# .      / 
 5 1  53 9200 1 2 tl   11  ^we we . don`t want to have the . !problem of      / 
 5 1  53 9200 1 1 tl   11  running :G\ermany#                                 / 
 5 1  53 9210 1 1 tl   11  ^let them run thems/elves# .                       / 
 5 1  53 9220 1 1 tl   11  "^these problems f\ollow#                          / 
 5 1  53 9230 1 1 tl   11  and it`s ^not a question of . :s\elling a p/ass#   / 
 5 1  53 9240 1 1 tl   11  it`s sup^p/orting [@v] n\ot sup_porting# -         / 
 5 1  53 9250 1 1 tl   11  ^I`m not "\advoc/ating#                            / 
 5 1  53 9260 1 1 tl   11  or ^saying it`s good or b/\ad#                     / 
 5 1  54 9270 1 1 tl   11  I`m ^only saying :let`s be :s\/ensible#            / 
 5 1  54 9280 1 1 tl   11  it . it`s ^not something ":w\e have d/one#         / 
 5 1  54 9290 1 2 tl   11  and it`s ^quite silly to try and . "bl\ame         / 
 5 1  54 9290 1 1 tl   11  ours/elves#                                        / 
 5 1  54 9300 1 1 tl   11  for ^something that`s :quite beyond our contr/\ol# / 
 5 1  54 9310 1 1 f    11  ^Bill 'Mallalieu v\ery sh/ortly#                   / 
 5 1  54 9320 1 1 m    11  it "^\isn`t beyond our _control# .                 / 
 5 1  54 9330 1 1 m    11  we`re "^still th\ere# .                            / 
 5 1  54 9340 1 1 m    11  [i@] ^Germany is "!n\ot an independent n/ation#    / 
 5 1  54 9350 1 1 m    11  it is "^still contr\olled#                         / 
 5 1  54 9360 1 2 m    11  and ^will be for the :next !six months at          / 
 5 1  54 9360 1 1 m    11  :l\east# .                                         / 
 5 1  54 9370 1 1 m    11  but we "^h\ave sold the _pass# .                   / 
 5 1  54 9380 1 1 m    11  at the ^\end of the last w/ar#                     / 
 5 1  54 9390 1 2 m    11  ^we said we`ve had !two 'world 'wars which have    / 
 5 1  54 9390 1 1 m    11  been :mainly :G\erman in /origin# .                / 
 5 1  54 9400 1 2 m    11  [@] with ^Krupps as the great :s\ymbol of that     / 
 5 1  54 9400 1 1 m    11  St/aat# .                                          / 
 5 1  54 9410 1 1 m    11  and we`re "^not going to have it ag\ain# -         / 
 5 1  55 9420 1 1 m    11  but we`ve ^let it sl\ide#                          / 
 5 1  55 9430 1 1 m    11  we "^h\ave sold the p/ass# .                       / 
 5 1  55 9440 1 1 m    11  when it was ^st\ill in our contr/ol# .             / 
 5 1  55 9450 1 1 m    11  and it ^still "\is in our con_trol# .              / 
 5 1  55 9460 1 1 m    11  and we ought to "^stop it n\ow#                    / 
 5 1  55 9470 1 1 m    11  while we`ve ^still got the p\ower#                 / 
 5 1  55 9480 1 2 f    11  well ^I think we could go on dis:cussing ((it))    / 
 5 1  55 9480 1 1 f    11  till the !c\ows come home# -                       / 
 5 1  55 9490 1 2 f    11  and ^I think we`ll go on to the !n\ext qu/estion   / 
 5 1  55 9490 1 1 f    11  from (name)#                                       / 
 5 2   1   10 1 6 II   20  (in answering his brother-in-law`s question what do/ 
 5 2   1   10 1 5 II   20  you particularly like Bertrand Russell says that   / 
 5 2   1   10 1 4 II   20  he replied mathematics and the sea theology and    / 
 5 2   1   10 1 3 II   20  heraldry the two former because they are inhuman   / 
 5 2   1   10 1 2 II   20  the two latter because they are absurd would the   / 
 5 2   1   10 1 1 II   20  Brains Trust please comment)                       / 
 5 2   1   20 1 2 f    11  I ^don`t think we`ll :dwell very much at the       / 
 5 2   1   20 1 1 f    11  :m\oment on the/ology#                             / 
 5 2   1   30 1 2 f    11  as we`re ^not very well e!quipped for that         / 
 5 2   1   30 1 1 f    11  tod/ay# .                                          / 
 5 2   1   40 1 1 f    11  ^mathematics and s=ea# .                           / 
 5 2   1   50 1 1 f    11  ^theology and :h\eraldry# .                        / 
 5 2   1   60 1 1 f    11  the ^f/ormer#                                      / 
 5 2   1   70 1 1 f    11  be^cause they`re inh=uman# .                       / 
 5 2   1   80 1 1 f    11  the ^l/atter#                                      / 
 5 2   1   90 1 1 f    11  be^cause they`re ab:s\urd# .                       / 
 5 2   1  100 1 1 f    11  ^David D\aiches#                                   / 
 5 2   1  110 1 1 d    11  ^w/\ell#                                           / 
 5 2   1  120 1 1 d    11  ^that`s a :very . !p\ersonal#                      / 
 5 2   1  130 1 1 d    11  ^choice of :s\ubjects#                             / 
 5 2   1  140 1 1 d    11  ^\isn`t it# .                                      / 
 5 2   1  150 1 1 d    11  [@:] . I`m ^no mathema:t\ician#                    / 
 5 2   1  160 1 1 d    11  I`m a^fr/aid# .                                    / 
 5 2   1  170 1 1 d    11  I was ^never terribly :good at it at sch/ool# .    / 
 5 2   2  180 1 1 d    11  I was ^always :much more :interested mys/elf#      / 
 5 2   2  190 1 1 d    11  in ^those k/inds# .                                / 
 5 2   2  200 1 1 d    11  [o] of ^sk/ill# .                                  / 
 5 2   2  210 1 2 d    11  which ^had to do with the manipulation . :of i:deas/ 
 5 2   2  210 1 1 d    11  and :l\anguage# .                                  / 
 5 2   2  220 1 1 d    11  I ^like l\anguages# .                              / 
 5 2   2  230 1 1 d    11  I`m ^not as :good at them as I :m\ight b/e# .      / 
 5 2   2  240 1 1 d    11  [@] "^dead languages and "!\useless _languages#    / 
 5 2   2  250 1 1 d    11  I ^wish I knew :C\ornish#                          / 
 5 2   2  260 1 1 d    11  which ^nobody ever :sp\eaks# .                     / 
 5 2   2  270 1 1 d    11  I ^tried to learn Scottish :G\aelic#               / 
 5 2   2  280 1 2 d    11  but as ^soon as I :learnt it it was a :dying       / 
 5 2   2  280 1 1 d    11  l\anguage# -                                       / 
 5 2   2  290 1 1 d    11  ^odd ways which people ex:pr\ess them_selves# .    / 
 5 2   2  300 1 1 d    11  but [@] . ^that would be "!m\y _substitution#      / 
 5 2   2  310 1 1 d    11  for ^mathem\atics#                                 / 
 5 2   2  320 1 1 f    11  ^w/ell#                                            / 
 5 2   2  330 1 1 f    12  ^shall we just look . ^Alan G\emmel#               / 
 5 2   2  340 1 1 f    11  at the . ^whether you a:gr\/ee#                    / 
 5 2   2  350 1 1 f    11  ^with the :inhu!m\anit/y#                          / 
 5 2   2  360 1 1 f    11  that`s at^tributed to :mathe!m\atics# .            / 
 5 2   3  370 1 1 f    11  I ^know !y\ou _know a lot of mathem/atics#         / 
 5 2   3  380 1 1 g    11  ^this is :fl\attering# .                           / 
 5 2   3  390 1 1 g    11  [@m] - ^y\es# .                                    / 
 5 2   3  400 1 1 g    11  ^it is :in!h\uman# -                               / 
 5 2   3  410 1 1 g    11  in a ^sense that it`s a :very "l\ogical pr/ocess# ./ 
 5 2   3  420 1 1 g    11  ^which . :you can construct mach/ines#             / 
 5 2   3  430 1 1 g    11  to ^d/o#                                           / 
 5 2   3  440 1 1 g    11  ^very very :\adequately# .                         / 
 5 2   3  450 1 1 g    11  on the ^other h\and#                               / 
 5 2   3  460 1 1 g    11  one must "^not conf\/use# -                        / 
 5 2   3  470 1 1 g    11  [dhi:] . "^logic of mathem/atics# -                / 
 5 2   3  480 1 1 g    11  with the ^st\age in mathem/atics#                  / 
 5 2   3  490 1 1 g    11  in which ^intu!\ition#                             / 
 5 2   3  500 1 1 g    11  be^comes the really vital :th\ing# -               / 
 5 2   3  510 1 1 g    11  that ^carries you !\over#                          / 
 5 2   3  520 1 1 g    11  a par^ticular b/arrier# .                          / 
 5 2   3  530 1 1 g    11  which you cross "^purely int\uitively# -           / 
 5 2   3  540 1 2 g    11  and so I ^think it`s [in] . I :think it`s -        / 
 5 2   3  540 1 1 g    11  l\/ogical# .                                       / 
 5 2   3  550 1 1 g    11  and ^inh\uman# .                                   / 
 5 2   3  560 1 1 g    11  you know "^up to ninety per c\ent# .               / 
 5 2   4  570 1 1 g    11  but there`s "^t\en _per _cent#                     / 
 5 2   4  580 1 1 g    11  which is "^very h/uman#                            / 
 5 2   4  590 1 1 g    11  and "^very in:t\uitive#                            / 
 5 2   4  600 1 1 f    11  Sir ^Ian Moncr\eiffe# .                            / 
 5 2   4  610 1 2 f    11  are you ^going to take up the :cudgels about       / 
 5 2   4  610 1 1 f    11  :h/eraldry#                                        / 
 5 2   4  620 1 1 m    11  ^not necessarily :c\/udgels#                       / 
 5 2   4  630 1 1 m    11  because of of course it it may ^w/\ell be ab_surd# / 
 5 2   4  640 1 1 m    11  it depends on what he . "^m\eans _by ab_surd# -    / 
 5 2   4  650 1 1 m    11  ^what I "!r\/eally _think#                         / 
 5 2   4  660 1 1 m    11  is ^th\is _though# .                               / 
 5 2   4  670 1 1 m    11  [@m] . "^m\/en# .                                  / 
 5 2   4  680 1 1 m    11  are . ^different from :\animals# .                 / 
 5 2   4  690 1 1 m    11  ^animals don`t have :h\/eraldry#                   / 
 5 2   4  700 1 1 m    11  ^or the:\/ology#                                   / 
 5 2   4  710 1 1 m    11  ^/\or# .                                           / 
 5 2   4  720 1 1 m    11  ^so far as I kn/ow#                                / 
 5 2   4  730 1 1 m    11  ^mathe!m\atics# -                                  / 
 5 2   4  740 1 1 m    11  ^and . [@:] - !what . h\/eraldry# .                / 
 5 2   4  750 1 1 m    11  and for that matter the^\/ology#                   / 
 5 2   4  760 1 1 m    11  ^g\ive to p/eople# .                               / 
 5 2   4  770 1 1 m    11  is ^c\/olour# .                                    / 
 5 2   4  780 1 1 m    11  and ^something !outs\/ide# .                       / 
 5 2   4  790 1 1 m    11  ^what . an :\animal n/eeds#                        / 
 5 2   5  800 1 1 m    11  that`s to say . ^f=ood# .                          / 
 5 2   5  810 1 1 m    11  ^r=est# -                                          / 
 5 2   5  820 1 1 m    11  ^mathe!m\/atics#                                   / 
 5 2   5  830 1 1 m    11  may ^help you to . :c\ombat# .                     / 
 5 2   5  840 1 1 m    11  [dhi:] . ^world in which :man is :pl\aced# .       / 
 5 2   5  850 1 1 m    11  his his his ^actual :physical en:v\/ironment# .    / 
 5 2   5  860 1 1 m    11  and to ^th\at ex_tent#                             / 
 5 2   5  870 1 2 m    11  they`re a con^tinuance of :our - when they`re      / 
 5 2   5  870 1 1 m    11  ap:pl\ied mathem/atics#                            / 
 5 2   5  880 1 1 m    11  are a con^tinuance of our :animal ex:\istence# .   / 
 5 2   5  890 1 1 m    11  we ^use them to get "!b\etter _food#               / 
 5 2   5  900 1 1 m    11  "^m\ore _comfort# .                                / 
 5 2   5  910 1 1 m    11  we ^can 'then go :\on and /use _them# .            / 
 5 2   5  920 1 1 m    11  for . ^\/other# .                                  / 
 5 2   5  930 1 1 m    11  and . ^more . !purely intel:l\/ectual _things#     / 
 5 2   5  940 1 1 m    11  which an ^animal wouldn`t !d\o# .                  / 
 5 2   5  950 1 1 m    11  but . [dh@] the "^s\ide#                           / 
 5 2   5  960 1 1 m    11  of the ^intel:l\ectual activity of m/an#           / 
 5 2   5  970 1 1 m    11  that ^m\ost interests m/e#                         / 
 5 2   5  980 1 1 m    11  is what ^I call the mumbo :j\umbo _side# -         / 
 5 2   6  990 1 2 m    10  and ((heraldry is part of that . people)) . mind   / 
 5 2   6  990 1 1 m    10  :terribly about the :c\olours# .                   / 
 5 2   6 1000 1 1 m    11  where ^when [@m] there is a row in :M\onaco#       / 
 5 2   6 1010 1 1 m    11  the ^Monagasques "!don`t object to :p\/eople# .    / 
 5 2   6 1020 1 1 m    11  ^doing :this that or the :\/other _to _them# .     / 
 5 2   6 1030 1 1 m    11  they ob^ject to their tearing :up their :fl\ag# .  / 
 5 2   6 1040 1 1 m    11  ^which . which is the :most h\armless th/ing#      / 
 5 2   6 1050 1 1 m    11  you could ^do to !\anybody#                        / 
 5 2   6 1060 1 1 m    11  when you ^think about it . !pr\/actically#         / 
 5 2   6 1070 1 1 m    11  it "^\is ab_surd#                                  / 
 5 2   6 1080 1 1 f    11  so if ^heraldry is ab:s\urd#                       / 
 5 2   6 1090 1 1 f    11  it`s ^clearly . is :not in any sense in:h\uman#    / 
 5 2   6 1100 1 1 f    11  ^\is _it#                                          / 
 5 2   6 1110 1 1 m    11  but if . ^if it`s abs\urd#                         / 
 5 2   6 1120 1 1 m    11  it`s not [i i] it`s ^very !h\/umanly _so#          / 
 5 2   6 1130 1 1 m    11  ^h\uman#                                           / 
 5 2   6 1140 1 1 m    11  ((and)) it`s ^rather :f\un#                        / 
 5 2   6 1150 1 1 f    11  ^K/ennedy#                                         / 
 5 2   7 1160 1 1 k    11  well ^\I would have in_terpreted#                  / 
 5 2   7 1170 1 1 k    11  [@] . ^Lord Russell`s ch/oice#                     / 
 5 2   7 1180 1 1 k    11  as ^that of a !m=an# .                             / 
 5 2   7 1190 1 1 k    11  ^who liked almost :\anyth/ing# .                   / 
 5 2   7 1200 1 1 k    11  but ^on the wh/ole# .                              / 
 5 2   7 1210 1 2 k    11  [@] pre^ferred things that were [@m] . "!not so    / 
 5 2   7 1210 1 1 k    11  very h\uman# .                                     / 
 5 2   7 1220 1 1 k    11  ^after all :mathematics . [@] :is th\inking# .     / 
 5 2   7 1230 1 1 k    11  ^is l\ogic#                                        / 
 5 2   7 1240 1 1 k    11  ^is r/easoning# -                                  / 
 5 2   7 1250 1 1 k    11  ^not the :kind . 'I`m very f/ond of# .             / 
 5 2   7 1260 1 2 k    12  al^though . [@] . I`m ^hopeless at arithmetic as a / 
 5 2   7 1260 1 1 k    12  matter of :fact always !h\ave _been# -             / 
 5 2   7 1270 1 1 k    11  [@m] . but . there ^comes a "!p\oint# .            / 
 5 2   7 1280 1 2 k    11  ^when . the :reason in mathematics be:gins to      / 
 5 2   7 1280 1 1 k    11  "f/ail# .                                          / 
 5 2   7 1290 1 1 k    11  and ^then we disc/over# .                          / 
 5 2   7 1300 1 1 k    11  as ^Gemmel s\ays# .                                / 
 5 2   7 1310 1 1 k    11  the ^human b/eing#                                 / 
 5 2   7 1320 1 1 k    11  can ^do a :little !m\ore#                          / 
 5 2   7 1330 1 1 k    11  with his ^intu!\ition# .                           / 
 5 2   7 1340 1 2 k    11  when there`s "^so many variables and the           / 
 5 2   7 1340 1 1 k    11  :mathematician is b/eaten# .                       / 
 5 2   8 1350 1 1 k    11  ^then we :come !\in# -                             / 
 5 2   8 1360 1 1 k    11  but . ^his choice :s/\urely# .                     / 
 5 2   8 1370 1 1 k    11  ^indicated . [@] :mathem\atics# .                  / 
 5 2   8 1380 1 1 k    11  for ^logic and :r\easoning# .                      / 
 5 2   8 1390 1 1 k    11  the ^s/ea# .                                       / 
 5 2   8 1400 1 1 k    11  for ^peace :size exp/ansiveness# .                 / 
 5 2   8 1410 1 1 k    11  and ^heraldry . :surely was his :r\est# .          / 
 5 2   8 1420 1 1 k    11  his ^recre\ation# .                                / 
 5 2   8 1430 1 1 k    11  ^something . [@m] . !on tram l/ines# .             / 
 5 2   8 1440 1 1 k    11  with^out much f/uture _to _it# .                   / 
 5 2   8 1450 1 1 k    11  ^nothing :more to be disc/overed#                  / 
 5 2   8 1460 1 1 k    11  ^b\ound to _do#                                    / 
 5 2   8 1470 1 2 k    11  ^surely that was his recre:ation :not his          / 
 5 2   8 1470 1 1 k    11  :th/ought#                                         / 
 5 2   8 1480 1 1 f    11  ^David D\aiches#                                   / 
 5 2   8 1490 1 1 f    11  ^any f/urther _thoughts#                           / 
 5 2   8 1500 1 1 d    11  well I`d ^just like to s\ay#                       / 
 5 2   8 1510 1 2 d    11  [@] . since I ^didn`t get a chance to comment on   / 
 5 2   8 1510 1 1 d    11  the :sea or :h\eral_dry#                           / 
 5 2   8 1520 1 1 ?    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 2   8 1530 1 2(d    11  [@] . that . ^those are the :two great             / 
 5 2   8 1530 1 1(d    11  :\opposites# .                                     / 
 5 2   8 1540 1 1 d    11  [@] it ^seems to :m\e#                             / 
 5 2   9 1550 1 1 d    11  [@] I a^gree of course with Professor :K\ennedy#   / 
 5 2   9 1560 1 1 d    11  the ^sea is . ex:p=ansive#                         / 
 5 2   9 1570 1 1 d    11  ^r=estful#                                         / 
 5 2   9 1580 1 1 d    11  and . [@] . a com^pletely . "!f\ormless#           / 
 5 2   9 1590 1 1 d    11  ^natural phe:n\omenon# .                           / 
 5 2   9 1600 1 1 d    11  which en^ables you :to . ar:range your :m\ood#     / 
 5 2   9 1610 1 1 d    11  ac^cording to how you !f\eel a_bout _it# .         / 
 5 2   9 1620 1 2 d    11  it it`s [@ @] . ^something you could handle        / 
 5 2   9 1620 1 1 d    11  sub:j\ectively# .                                  / 
 5 2   9 1630 1 1 d    11  ^h\eraldry#                                        / 
 5 2   9 1640 1 1 d    11  on the ^other h/and# .                             / 
 5 2   9 1650 1 2 d    11  ^represents . :one of the [@] . :most . se!vere    / 
 5 2   9 1650 1 1 d    11  att\empts# .                                       / 
 5 2   9 1660 1 1 d    11  ^to im:pose st\yle#                                / 
 5 2   9 1670 1 1 d    11  and ^f\orm# .                                      / 
 5 2   9 1680 1 1 d    11  on ^human n\otions of _things# -                   / 
 5 2   9 1690 1 1 d    11  it`s the ^most "st\ylized#                         / 
 5 2   9 1700 1 1 d    11  of ^all the \arts# *.*                             / 
 5 2   9 1710 1 1 ?    20  *[hm]*                                             / 
 5 2   9 1720 1 1 d    11  and ^we /\all#                                     / 
 5 2   9 1730 1 1 d    11  ^I th\ink# .                                       / 
 5 2   9 1740 1 1 d    11  ^in "!some of our m\oods# .                        / 
 5 2   9 1750 1 1 d    11  ^feel the nec\essity#                              / 
 5 2   9 1760 1 1 d    11  for ^trad=ition#                                   / 
 5 2   9 1770 1 1 d    11  for ^st=yle#                                       / 
 5 2  10 1780 1 1 d    11  ^for \order# .                                     / 
 5 2  10 1790 1 1 d    11  ^heraldry is the :ultimate stylization of \art#    / 
 5 2  10 1800 1 1 d    11  its ^\animals#                                     / 
 5 2  10 1810 1 1 d    11  are . ^not "!r\/eally#                             / 
 5 2  10 1820 1 1 d    11  ^biological animals at :\all# .                    / 
 5 2  10 1830 1 1 d    11  [@] and ^there is !something :\in _us#             / 
 5 2  10 1840 1 1 d    11  which which ^enj\oys#                              / 
 5 2  10 1850 1 1 d    11  and ap^pr\eciates _that#                           / 
 5 2  10 1860 1 1 d    11  the ^sea is at the :other extr\eme# *.*            / 
 5 2  10 1870 1 1 ?    20  *[hm]*                                             / 
 5 2  10 1880 1 1(d    11  ex^p=ansive#                                       / 
 5 2  10 1890 1 1 d    11  and e^m=otional#                                   / 
 5 2  10 1900 1 1 d    11  and . com^pletely [@:] . re:sp/\onsive#            / 
 5 2  10 1910 1 1 d    11  to our ^own varying m\oods#                        / 
 5 2  10 1920 1 1 f    11  ^G/emmel#                                          / 
 5 2  10 1930 1 1 g    11  I`m ^very sur:pr\ised _actually#                   / 
 5 2  10 1940 1 1 g    11  at ^this . quotation of R/ussell`s# -              / 
 5 2  10 1950 1 1 g    11  be^cause . the !things he likes [bou] b\est# .     / 
 5 2  10 1960 1 1 g    11  are ^[ei] inh/uman# .                              / 
 5 2  10 1970 1 1 g    11  and ^[bi:] ab:s\urd# -                             / 
 5 2  10 1980 1 1 g    11  now ^this strikes m/e#                             / 
 5 2  10 1990 1 1 g    11  as . ^very m\uch# .                                / 
 5 2  10 2000 1 1 g    11  a de^f\eatist /attitude#                           / 
 5 2  11 2010 1 1 g    11  and a "^fl\/ight# .                                / 
 5 2  11 2020 1 1 g    11  ^so to speak from re!\ality# -                     / 
 5 2  11 2030 1 2 g    11  because the ^things which "!sh\ould interest a man / 
 5 2  11 2030 1 1 g    11  m/ost# .                                           / 
 5 2  11 2040 1 2 g    11  are in ^fact [dhi] . :[bihi] . !is in fact [dhi]   / 
 5 2  11 2040 1 1 g    11  be:haviour of other :m\en#                         / 
 5 2  11 2050 1 1 g    11  and their re^actions to certain situ:\ations# -    / 
 5 2  11 2060 1 1 g    11  and [@] . it ^ill behoves :m\/e#                   / 
 5 2  11 2070 1 1 g    11  [@?] to ^argue with Lord :R\ussell# .              / 
 5 2  11 2080 1 1 g    11  but I "^do think this is a a ":r\/eal#             / 
 5 2  11 2090 1 1 g    11  con^fession of :w\eakness#                         / 
 5 2  11 2100 1 1 g    11  to ^put "!th\is _forward#                          / 
 5 2  11 2110 1 1 f    11  well ^cl\early#                                    / 
 5 2  11 2120 1 1 f    11  ^what we :h\ave h/ere#                             / 
 5 2  11 2130 1 1 f    11  is a . a ^very sub!j\ective# .                     / 
 5 2  11 2140 1 1 f    11  ^st\atement# .                                     / 
 5 2  11 2150 1 1 f    11  ^\isn`t _it#                                       / 
 5 2  11 2160 1 1 f    11  and ^I think [@] you`ve all "!f\our of y/ou# .     / 
 5 2  11 2170 1 1 f    11  ^given your \own# .                                / 
 5 2  11 2180 1 1 f    11  sub^j\ective re/actions#                           / 
 5 2  11 2190 1 1 f    11  to ^three of these [@] . :four phe!n\omena#        / 
 5 2  11 2200 1 1 f    11  and we`ll ^go on to the !s\econd qu/estion# .      / 
 5 2  12 2210 1 1 f    11  ^someone de:scr\ibing hims/elf# .                  / 
 5 2  12 2220 1 1 f    11  or ^hers/elf#                                      / 
 5 2  12 2230 1 1 f    11  as a ^middle-aged :v\/iewer#                       / 
 5 2  12 2240 1 1 f    11  ^writing from :F\elixst/owe# -                     / 
 5 2  12 2250 1 2 f    11  and of ^course remembering [@ . :dhi:] particular  / 
 5 2  12 2250 1 1 f    11  "d/ay#                                             / 
 5 2  12 2260 1 1 f    11  for which this ^programme is to be h/eld#          / 
 5 2  12 2270 1 6 II   20  (with Remembrance Day with us again we are reminded/ 
 5 2  12 2270 1 5 II   20  of the quotation They grow not old as we who are   / 
 5 2  12 2270 1 4 II   20  left grow old does the Brains Trust find themselves/ 
 5 2  12 2270 1 3 II   20  in sympathy with these sentiments or rather with   / 
 5 2  12 2270 1 2 II   20  Browning`s that is Grow old along with me The best / 
 5 2  12 2270 1 1 II   20  is yet to be)                                      / 
 5 2  12 2280 1 1 f    11  ^K\ennedy#                                         / 
 5 2  12 2290 1 1 k    11  well - if ^we . at the end of that . w/ar# .       / 
 5 2  12 2300 1 1 k    11  the ^first . m\ajor#                               / 
 5 2  12 2310 1 1 k    11  ^silly w/ar#                                       / 
 5 2  12 2320 1 1 k    11  that ^showed that :men in the m\ass# .             / 
 5 2  13 2330 1 1 k    11  were ^so much more :st\upid#                       / 
 5 2  13 2340 1 1 k    11  than ^single indiv/iduals# -                       / 
 5 2  13 2350 1 1 k    11  if ^we can`t . bear in m\ind#                      / 
 5 2  13 2360 1 1 k    11  on a ^day like th\is# .                            / 
 5 2  13 2370 1 1 k    11  the "^sh\ock# .                                    / 
 5 2  13 2380 1 1 k    11  that they ^had at the :end of the w\ar#            / 
 5 2  13 2390 1 1 k    11  to ^realize what they`d "d\one# .                  / 
 5 2  13 2400 1 2 k    11  and they ^realized they must :never do it          / 
 5 2  13 2400 1 1 k    11  a:g\ain# -                                         / 
 5 2  13 2410 1 1 k    11  [@] we "^must try to keep that al\ive# .           / 
 5 2  13 2420 1 1 k    11  it ^wasn`t kept alive e!n\ough#                    / 
 5 2  13 2430 1 1 k    11  so we ^had an:other w\ar# -                        / 
 5 2  13 2440 1 1 k    11  I ^think it !shouldn`t grow /old# .                / 
 5 2  13 2450 1 2 k    11  I ^think we should try and :get us .               / 
 5 2  13 2450 1 1 k    11  our:s\/elves# .                                    / 
 5 2  13 2460 1 1 k    11  ^once a y/ear#                                     / 
 5 2  13 2470 1 1 k    11  into ^that !sp\irit#                               / 
 5 2  13 2480 1 1 k    11  and ^that`s wh/y I _think# .                       / 
 5 2  13 2490 1 1 k    11  there is ^something to be :s\aid# - -              / 
 5 2  13 2500 1 1 k    11  for ^Armistice D\ay#                               / 
 5 2  13 2510 1 2 f    11  isn`t ^[dhi:] . 'poet a David Daiches im:pl/ying   / 
 5 2  13 2510 1 1 f    11  _here#                                             / 
 5 2  13 2520 1 1 f    11  that there is [@t] ^this conso:l\ation#            / 
 5 2  13 2530 1 1 f    11  for ^those who :gave their l/ives#                 / 
 5 2  14 2540 1 1 f    11  in the ^w/ar# .                                    / 
 5 2  14 2550 1 1 f    11  that they ^haven`t to endure old :\age# .          / 
 5 2  14 2560 1 1 f    11  is ^that what he m/eans#                           / 
 5 2  14 2570 1 1 d    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 2  14 2580 1 1 d    11  I I ^th\ink#                                       / 
 5 2  14 2590 1 1 d    11  though I a^gr\ee#                                  / 
 5 2  14 2600 1 2 d    11  with ^what Sir [aeliksaen] says [@] :Professor     / 
 5 2  14 2600 1 1 d    11  Alexander Kennedy :s\aid#                          / 
 5 2  14 2610 1 1 d    11  I I . I ^don`t th\ink#                             / 
 5 2  14 2620 1 1 d    11  that ^that is the :point of the :qu\estion#        / 
 5 2  14 2630 1 1 d    11  ^r\eally# .                                        / 
 5 2  14 2640 1 1 d    11  I ^think the point \is# .                          / 
 5 2  14 2650 1 1 d    11  ^is it "tr\ue#                                     / 
 5 2  14 2660 1 1 d    11  that ^someone :who dies y\oung# .                  / 
 5 2  14 2670 1 1 d    11  [@] ^has . in :some w\ay#                          / 
 5 2  14 2680 1 1 d    11  a ^compens\ation# .                                / 
 5 2  14 2690 1 2 d    11  of ^not having to . :suffer . :old age and         / 
 5 2  14 2690 1 1 d    11  dec=ay# .                                          / 
 5 2  14 2700 1 1 d    11  ^like those of us who rem\ain#                     / 
 5 2  14 2710 1 1 ?    20  hear hear                                          / 
 5 2  14 2720 1 1(d    11  but of ^course it`s an un:real qu\estion# .        / 
 5 2  14 2730 1 2 d    11  be^cause [@] . :they remain :only in the minds of  / 
 5 2  14 2730 1 1 d    11  the sur:v\ivors#                                   / 
 5 2  14 2740 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  14 2750 1 1(d    11  and it is ^perfectly tr\ue#                        / 
 5 2  15 2760 1 1 d    11  we re^member . the :great poet Wilfred :\Owen#     / 
 5 2  15 2770 1 1 d    11  who ^died in the in in the :First W\ar# .          / 
 5 2  15 2780 1 1 d    11  [@] ^y\oung#                                       / 
 5 2  15 2790 1 1 d    11  and and ^many \others# .                           / 
 5 2  15 2800 1 1 d    11  and they`re ^still young in our :m\inds# .         / 
 5 2  15 2810 1 1 d    11  ^Rupert Br\ooke for ex_ample# .                    / 
 5 2  15 2820 1 1 d    11  [@:] ^we shall :never . re:m\ember th/em#          / 
 5 2  15 2830 1 1 d    11  as ^we remember the old W\ordsworth# .             / 
 5 2  15 2840 1 1 d    11  with ^failing p\owers# .                           / 
 5 2  15 2850 1 1 d    11  ^jabbering a lot of n\onsense#                     / 
 5 2  15 2860 1 1 d    11  in the in in his ^last y\ears# .                   / 
 5 2  15 2870 1 1 d    11  or ^poor old R\/uskin#                             / 
 5 2  15 2880 1 1 d    11  who ^lost his m\ind#                               / 
 5 2  15 2890 1 1 d    11  in the ^\end# .                                    / 
 5 2  15 2900 1 1 d    11  [@ dh@?] per^petually :y=oung#                     / 
 5 2  15 2910 1 1 d    11  per^petually fr=esh#                               / 
 5 2  15 2920 1 1 d    11  ^if they were . sig!nificant enough at /all# .     / 
 5 2  15 2930 1 2 d    11  to ^make their 'mark . on . the :memory of         / 
 5 2  15 2930 1 1 d    11  post\erity# .                                      / 
 5 2  15 2940 1 1 d    11  "^if they :w\/eren`t#                              / 
 5 2  15 2950 1 1 d    11  and of course ^most of us /aren`t#                 / 
 5 2  15 2960 1 2 d    11  and ^most of those who were :killed in the First   / 
 5 2  15 2960 1 1 d    11  :W\/ar _weren`t# .                                 / 
 5 2  16 2970 1 1 d    11  ^then they are rem/\embered# .                     / 
 5 2  16 2980 1 1 d    11  ^with grief . as y/\oung# .                        / 
 5 2  16 2990 1 1 d    11  and ^g/\ay#                                        / 
 5 2  16 3000 1 1 d    11  and ^b/\eautiful# .                                / 
 5 2  16 3010 1 1 d    11  by ^those who surv\/ived _them# .                  / 
 5 2  16 3020 1 1 d    11  and ^when :th\ey g/o# .                            / 
 5 2  16 3030 1 1 d    11  ^that is the /\end#                                / 
 5 2  16 3040 1 1 d    11  as ^far as :m\emory _goes#                         / 
 5 2  16 3050 1 1 f    11  ^y\eah# -                                          / 
 5 2  16 3060 1 1 f    11  ^Alan G\emmel#                                     / 
 5 2  16 3070 1 1 f    11  it`s ^cl\ear#                                      / 
 5 2  16 3080 1 1 f    11  I think that ^Daiches :doesn`t [@] . agr\/ee#      / 
 5 2  16 3090 1 1 f    11  with . the ^Br\owning s/entiment#                  / 
 5 2  16 3100 1 1 f    11  that the . ^best of :life is the :s\econd p/art# . / 
 5 2  16 3110 1 1 f    11  ^what does the bi:\ologist#                        / 
 5 2  16 3120 1 1 f    11  ^say to th\at#                                     / 
 5 2  16 3130 1 2 g    11  no ^I think the :best of :life for :most .         / 
 5 2  16 3130 1 1 g    11  p\/eople# -                                        / 
 5 2  16 3140 1 1 g    11  is the ^part that has :p\assed# .                  / 
 5 2  16 3150 1 1 g    11  one . ^does tend to . :look b\/ack#                / 
 5 2  16 3160 1 1 g    11  ^rather than :f\orward _in _life# .                / 
 5 2  17 3170 1 1 g    11  I ^think one says it was ":j\olly _good#           / 
 5 2  17 3180 1 2 g    13  when ^I [w@] ^when I was . at [s] ^school days were/ 
 5 2  17 3180 1 1 g    13  the :best days of your :l\ife# .                   / 
 5 2  17 3190 1 1 g    11  ^th\is . i_dea#                                    / 
 5 2  17 3200 1 1 g    11  I`m ^s\ure# .                                      / 
 5 2  17 3210 1 1 g    11  in my ^\own _mind#                                 / 
 5 2  17 3220 1 1 g    11  that ^this is :s\o# -                              / 
 5 2  17 3230 1 1 g    11  so ^far as the . :actual quo:t\ation#              / 
 5 2  17 3240 1 1 g    11  is ^con:c\/erned# -                                / 
 5 2  17 3250 1 1 g    11  I ^think in a :rather :qu\eer w/ay#                / 
 5 2  17 3260 1 1 g    11  ^this is an example of the :value of h\eraldry# .  / 
 5 2  17 3270 1 1 g    11  I can ^hark back to the previous :qu\estion# -     / 
 5 2  17 3280 1 1 g    11  because ^in a s\/ense# .                           / 
 5 2  17 3290 1 1 g    11  ^what a . her:aldic symbol d/oes# .                / 
 5 2  17 3300 1 1 g    11  is ^em!body something which is con:t\inuing# .     / 
 5 2  17 3310 1 1 g    11  it ^represents s\omething# .                       / 
 5 2  17 3320 1 1 g    11  [@] ^these people who . shall :not grow /old# -    / 
 5 2  17 3330 1 1 g    11  in the ^same w\ay#                                 / 
 5 2  17 3340 1 1 g    11  em^body a gener\ation# .                           / 
 5 2  17 3350 1 1 g    11  and al^though they`ll :never grow :physically /old#/ 
 5 2  18 3360 1 1 g    11  the ^point as :Daiches has s/aid#                  / 
 5 2  18 3370 1 2 g    11  is that . ^in the :minds of :those who rem/ember   / 
 5 2  18 3370 1 1 g    11  _them#                                             / 
 5 2  18 3380 1 1 g    11  they are ^y\oung#                                  / 
 5 2  18 3390 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  18 3400 1 2 g    11  and ^therefore they remain a con:t\inuing          / 
 5 2  18 3400 1 1 g    11  trad/ition#                                        / 
 5 2  18 3410 1 1 g    11  ^which shall :never ch/ange#                       / 
 5 2  18 3420 1 1 g    11  be^cause it :can'not grow \old#                    / 
 5 2  18 3430 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  18 3440 1 2(g    11  and I ^much more be:lieve [dhi] - :shall not grow  / 
 5 2  18 3440 1 1(g    11  :\old#                                             / 
 5 2  18 3450 1 1 g    11  than the ^grow old along with :m\e . idea#         / 
 5 2  18 3460 1 1 f    11  Mon^cr\eiffe# .                                    / 
 5 2  18 3470 1 1 f    11  ^what d`y\ou _say#                                 / 
 5 2  18 3480 1 1 m    11  well ^so much of one`s life :n\/owadays#           / 
 5 2  18 3490 1 1 m    11  es^pecially in a :highly :civilized w/orld#        / 
 5 2  18 3500 1 1 m    11  is a ^prepar\/ation# .                             / 
 5 2  18 3510 1 1 m    11  for when you`re ^really grown \up# .               / 
 5 2  18 3520 1 1 m    11  which is ^always def\erred#                        / 
 5 2  18 3530 1 1 m    11  and as ^soon as one :g\ets th/ere#                 / 
 5 2  18 3540 1 2 m    11  ^one`s told one`s got to :start again at the       / 
 5 2  18 3540 1 1 m    11  b/ottom#                                           / 
 5 2  19 3550 1 1 m    11  and ^work up to something \else# .                 / 
 5 2  19 3560 1 1 m    11  so that I`m ^/all for looking \on#                 / 
 5 2  19 3570 1 1 m    11  into the ^f\uture# .                               / 
 5 2  19 3580 1 1 m    11  I ^have !great h/\opes _of _it# .                  / 
 5 2  19 3590 1 2 m    11  [@m] . and that it`ll be ^very !much better than   / 
 5 2  19 3590 1 1 m    11  the p\ast# .                                       / 
 5 2  19 3600 1 1 m    11  and I ^think it`s a little :n\aughty of _us#       / 
 5 2  19 3610 1 1 m    11  to ^say of a lot of people who were :k\illed# .    / 
 5 2  19 3620 1 1 m    11  by ^way of consoling our:s\elves# .                / 
 5 2  19 3630 1 2 m    11  but of ^course it :wouldn`t have been much f\un for/ 
 5 2  19 3630 1 1 m    11  them r/eally#                                      / 
 5 2  19 3640 1 1 m    11  they`d have ^had to get old !t\oo#                 / 
 5 2  19 3650 1 2 m    11  when . if "^w\e had been offered the choice of     / 
 5 2  19 3650 1 1 m    11  being killed or not that m/oment#                  / 
 5 2  19 3660 1 1 m    11  we would have "^got d\own#                         / 
 5 2  19 3670 1 1 m    11  as ^low as we c\ould#                              / 
 5 2  19 3680 1 1 m    11  into the ^nearest sh/ell h\ole#                    / 
 5 2  19 3690 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  19 3700 1 1(m    11  [@m] . it [? ?] ^that !phr\ase# .                  / 
 5 2  19 3710 1 1 m    11  ^quoted th/ere#                                    / 
 5 2  19 3720 1 1 m    11  is a ^conso!l\ation _phrase#                       / 
 5 2  19 3730 1 1 m    11  for the sur^v\ivors#                               / 
 5 2  19 3740 1 1 ?    11  ^qu/ite#                                           / 
 5 2  20 3750 1 1(m    11  it ^wouldn`t have d\one# .                         / 
 5 2  20 3760 1 2 m    11  for [dhi] - it was ^no good offering it to one at  / 
 5 2  20 3760 1 1 m    11  the !t\ime#                                        / 
 5 2  20 3770 1 2 m    11  when ^one was in a :battle and saying well :look   / 
 5 2  20 3770 1 1 m    11  h\ere#                                             / 
 5 2  20 3780 1 2 m    11  you have the ^great consolation of not growing     / 
 5 2  20 3780 1 1 m    11  :\old#                                             / 
 5 2  20 3790 1 1 m    11  if you . ^stand up and run forward !n\ow#          / 
 5 2  20 3800 1 1 d    11  well ^that is why I`m s\orry# .                    / 
 5 2  20 3810 1 2 d    11  ^that . that is why I was :saying that [@ . @] it`s/ 
 5 2  20 3810 1 1 d    11  a conso:l\ation#                                   / 
 5 2  20 3820 1 1 d    11  for the . for the ^\old# .                         / 
 5 2  20 3830 1 1 d    11  [@] for the sur^v\/ivors#                          / 
 5 2  20 3840 1 1 d    11  ^rather than a !g\enuine conso_lation#             / 
 5 2  20 3850 1 1 d    11  for ^those who were :k\illed#                      / 
 5 2  20 3860 1 1 d    11  a^bout whom nothing can be !d=one# .               / 
 5 2  20 3870 1 2 d    11  I ^don`t think those two quotations are real       / 
 5 2  20 3870 1 1 d    11  al!t\ernatives# *-*                                / 
 5 2  20 3880 1 1 d    11  they`re ^not alternatives at !\all# .              / 
 5 2  21 3890 2 1 d    21  "^if                                               / 
 5 2  21 3900 1 1 m    11  *they`re ^not . n\o#*                              / 
 5 2  21 3890 1 1(d    11  you are killed y/oung# .                           / 
 5 2  21 3910 1 2 d    11  ^what . possible comfort for the survivors :\is    / 
 5 2  21 3910 1 1 d    11  _there# .                                          / 
 5 2  21 3920 1 1 d    11  and the the ^comfort is w/ell#                     / 
 5 2  21 3930 1 1 d    11  at ^least we rem\ember _them# .                    / 
 5 2  21 3940 1 1 d    11  as ^y\oung#                                        / 
 5 2  21 3950 1 1 d    11  be^fore they decayed and grew \old# .              / 
 5 2  21 3960 1 1 d    11  if you are ^n\ot killed y/oung# .                  / 
 5 2  21 3970 1 1 d    11  and ^none of us :w\ants to be killed y/oung# .     / 
 5 2  21 3980 1 1 d    11  ^there is of course the im!m\ense _challenge#      / 
 5 2  21 3990 1 1 d    11  and ex^c/itement# .                                / 
 5 2  21 4000 1 2 d    11  of ^growing old and :making something more of your / 
 5 2  21 4000 1 1 d    11  !l\ife# .                                          / 
 5 2  21 4010 1 1 d    11  but ^they are not al:t\ernatives#                  / 
 5 2  21 4020 1 1 f    11  ^G/emmel#                                          / 
 5 2  21 4030 1 1 g    11  ^I was just going to make the :p\oint#             / 
 5 2  21 4040 1 1 g    11  that . ^I`m s/\ure#                                / 
 5 2  22 4050 1 1 g    11  that when ^this was wr\itten# .                    / 
 5 2  22 4060 1 1 g    11  al^though it`s :wr=itten# -                        / 
 5 2  22 4070 1 1 g    11  in a ^s/ense# .                                    / 
 5 2  22 4080 1 1 g    11  de^scribing the de:velopment of a m/an#            / 
 5 2  22 4090 1 2 g    11  you know they ^went with :songs to the :battle they/ 
 5 2  22 4090 1 1 g    11  were :young and :s\o _on# -                        / 
 5 2  22 4100 1 1 g    11  is de^scribing the de:velopment of a m=an#         / 
 5 2  22 4110 1 1 g    11  and ^his sudden d\eath# -                          / 
 5 2  22 4120 1 1 g    11  the ^real eff\ect# .                               / 
 5 2  22 4130 1 1 g    11  ^is not the :literal eff\ect#                      / 
 5 2  22 4140 1 1 g    11  the ^r\/eal ef_fect#                               / 
 5 2  22 4150 1 1 g    11  is the ^meta!ph\orical _one# .                     / 
 5 2  22 4160 1 1 g    11  ((it)) is the ^m\/emory#                           / 
 5 2  22 4170 1 1 g    11  which ^shall not grow \old#                        / 
 5 2  22 4180 1 1 f    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 2  22 4190 1 1 d    11  ^\oh _yes#                                         / 
 5 2  22 4200 1 1 d    11  ^I see it !that w\ay#                              / 
 5 2  22 4210 2 2 m    22  you re^member *-* you re^member Rupert Brooke`s    / 
 5 2  22 4210 2 1 m    22  poem                                               / 
 5 2  22 4220 1 1 f    11  *^Moncr/eiffe#*                                    / 
 5 2  23 4210 1 1(m    12  about :H\elen#                                     / 
 5 2  23 4230 1 1 m    11  ^when she was /old# .                              / 
 5 2  23 4240 1 1 m    11  ^nagging aw\ay#                                    / 
 5 2  23 4250 1 1 ?    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 2  23 4260 1 2(m    11  [@] . ^well . [ru] Rupert Brooke :there was        / 
 5 2  23 4260 1 1(m    11  ex:pressing this :f\eeling# .                      / 
 5 2  23 4270 1 1 m    11  she ^shouldn`t have grown \old#                    / 
 5 2  23 4280 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  23 4290 1 1 m    11  but if "^he`d been offered the ch\oice#            / 
 5 2  23 4300 1 1 m    11  of ^being killed or n\ot# .                        / 
 5 2  23 4310 1 1 m    11  ^do you think he`d have said w=ell# .              / 
 5 2  23 4320 1 1 m    11  I`ve ^had the best of my l/ife# .                  / 
 5 2  23 4330 1 1 m    11  and ^/\also# .                                     / 
 5 2  23 4340 1 1 m    11  ^young s\oldiers# .                                / 
 5 2  23 4350 1 1 m    11  ^killed in b\attle# .                              / 
 5 2  23 4360 1 2 m    11  ((that)) ^spent nearly !all their life in          / 
 5 2  23 4360 1 1 m    11  prepa:r\ation#                                     / 
 5 2  23 4370 1 1 m    11  ^they`d been at sch/\ool# .                        / 
 5 2  23 4380 1 1 m    12  ^they`d been [@] ^they`d been - [@] at the :d\epot#/ 
 5 2  23 4390 1 1 m    11  ^they`d been :tr\ained# -                          / 
 5 2  23 4400 1 1 m    11  ^they hadn`t "r/\eally# .                          / 
 5 2  23 4410 1 1 m    11  ^known and 'had l\ife#                             / 
 5 2  23 4420 1 1 m    11  as it ^is to be h\ad#                              / 
 5 2  24 4430 1 1 f    11  ^K/ennedy#                                         / 
 5 2  24 4440 1 1 k    11  ^w/ell#                                            / 
 5 2  24 4450 1 1 k    11  [@] I can ^quite underst\and# .                    / 
 5 2  24 4460 1 1 k    11  es^pecially m\others# .                            / 
 5 2  24 4470 1 1 k    11  [@] who ^use that kind of consol\ation# -          / 
 5 2  24 4480 1 1 k    11  [@m] - I`m ^sure [ru] Rupert :Br\ooke#             / 
 5 2  24 4490 1 1 k    11  ^must have acted as a . a :surrogate s/on#         / 
 5 2  24 4500 1 1 k    11  for . ^many mothers who`ve lost p/eople# .         / 
 5 2  24 4510 1 1 k    11  ^[bru] Rupert Br/ooke#                             / 
 5 2  24 4520 1 1 k    11  and what ^h\e might have b/een# .                  / 
 5 2  24 4530 1 1 k    11  and what ^th\eir son#                              / 
 5 2  24 4540 1 1 k    11  ^might have :b\een# -                              / 
 5 2  24 4550 1 1 k    11  but . ^on the question of . :which m\atters# .     / 
 5 2  24 4560 1 1 k    11  the ^one that Gemmel brought \up# .                / 
 5 2  24 4570 1 1 k    11  [@m] ^s/\urely# .                                  / 
 5 2  24 4580 1 1 k    11  it`s the ^pr\esent#                                / 
 5 2  24 4590 1 1 k    11  and ^our responsibility for the !f\uture#          / 
 5 2  24 4600 1 1 k    11  that ^m\atters# -                                  / 
 5 2  24 4610 1 1 k    11  [@m] . to ^look b\ack#                             / 
 5 2  24 4620 1 1 k    11  to the ^p/ast#                                     / 
 5 2  24 4630 1 2 k    11  is ^surely to :look away from your [prez] your     / 
 5 2  24 4630 1 1 k    11  responsibility for the f/uture# .                  / 
 5 2  24 4640 1 2 k    11  and [@] . ^if we are going to prevent that kind of / 
 5 2  24 4640 1 1 k    11  thing happening ag/ain#                            / 
 5 2  25 4650 1 1 k    11  we`ve "^got to keep our eye on :what 'might "b\e# -/ 
 5 2  25 4660 1 1 k    11  and ^th/\en#                                       / 
 5 2  25 4670 1 1 k    11  as to ^old =age# .                                 / 
 5 2  25 4680 1 1 k    11  [@m] . ^medical sc/ience#                          / 
 5 2  25 4690 1 1 k    11  is ^keeping people :going a very long time n/ow# - / 
 5 2  25 4700 1 2 k    11  and we`ve ^got to . 'find some way that they shall / 
 5 2  25 4700 1 1 k    11  en:j\oy it# -                                      / 
 5 2  25 4710 1 1 k    11  [@] I`m ^sure it can be :d\one# .                  / 
 5 2  25 4720 1 2 k    11  and ^I think that the :Browning quotation is :right/ 
 5 2  25 4720 1 1 k    11  t/\oo# .                                           / 
 5 2  25 4730 1 1 k    11  ^for that :r\eason# .                              / 
 5 2  25 4740 1 1 k    11  that . we ^m\ust# .                                / 
 5 2  25 4750 1 1 k    11  [@] ^gr\ow with the _times# .                      / 
 5 2  25 4760 1 1 k    11  ^l\earn to grow _old#                              / 
 5 2  25 4770 1 1 k    11  because we are ^g\oing to grow _old#               / 
 5 2  25 4780 1 1 k    11  or ^s\ome of us _are#                              / 
 5 2  25 4790 1 1 k    11  at ^\any _rate#                                    / 
 5 2  25 4800 1 1 g    11  ^may I just add *:one* "w\ord# .                   / 
 5 2  25 4810 1 1 g    11  [@m] . ^I agr/\ee#                                 / 
 5 2  25 4820 1 1 f    11  *^G/emmel#*                                        / 
 5 2  26 4830 1 1(g    11  that ^life is lived . in the pr/esent#             / 
 5 2  26 4840 1 1 g    11  and ^one . !works . for the f\uture# -             / 
 5 2  26 4850 1 1 g    11  ^but - I`m :quite certain mys\elf#                 / 
 5 2  26 4860 1 1 g    11  that in a ^rather :queer w/ay# .                   / 
 5 2  26 4870 1 1 g    11  we ^draw strength from the p\ast# -                / 
 5 2  26 4880 1 1 g    11  and ^this is 'part of the p/ast#                   / 
 5 2  26 4890 1 1 g    11  and I ^think . :this p/oem# .                      / 
 5 2  26 4900 1 1 g    11  is . ^t\eaching /us#                               / 
 5 2  26 4910 1 1 g    11  the ^kind of :strength to :dr\aw#                  / 
 5 2  26 4920 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  26 4930 1 1 g    11  one ^does get a :f\eeling#                         / 
 5 2  26 4940 1 1 g    11  of ^exultation :fr\om _it#                         / 
 5 2  26 4950 1 2 f    11  and ^you a!gree with . as . Kennedy said at the    / 
 5 2  26 4950 1 1 f    11  be:g\/inning#                                      / 
 5 2  26 4960 1 1 f    11  that - [@:] it ^is . be:c\/oming#                  / 
 5 2  26 4970 1 1 f    11  and ^necessary for us to re:m\ember . the p/ast#   / 
 5 2  26 4980 1 1 f    11  ((as we ^show)) on this :one day in the y\ear#     / 
 5 2  26 4990 1 1 f    21  ^have you :((ever))                                / 
 5 2  26 5000 1 1 k    11  ^this this ((this)) . :s\/orry#                    / 
 5 2  26 5010 1 2 k    11  ^I just want to say this question is :riddled with / 
 5 2  26 5010 1 1 k    11  false al:t\ernatives# .                            / 
 5 2  27 5020 1 1 k    11  [@:] . ^looking to the f\/uture#                   / 
 5 2  27 5030 1 1 k    11  is "^not . [@] an al:t\ernative#                   / 
 5 2  27 5040 1 1 k    11  to ^drawing :strength from the p\ast# .            / 
 5 2  27 5050 1 1 k    11  re^membering those who died y/oung#                / 
 5 2  27 5060 1 1 k    11  is "^not an alt\ernative#                          / 
 5 2  27 5070 1 2 k    11  to ^realizing you can make something of your life  / 
 5 2  27 5070 1 1 k    11  as you grow \old# .                                / 
 5 2  27 5080 1 1 k    11  they they ^march to:g\ether# .                     / 
 5 2  27 5090 1 1 k    11  it`s not ^\one#                                    / 
 5 2  27 5100 1 1 k    11  "^or the \other#                                   / 
 5 2  27 5110 1 1 f    11  ^have you ever thought of :this p\oint#            / 
 5 2  27 5120 1 1 f    11  which has ^often [@:] per!pl\exed _me a _bit# -    / 
 5 2  27 5130 1 2 f    11  ^they say the :last enemy that shall be conquered  / 
 5 2  27 5130 1 1 f    11  is :d\eath# -                                      / 
 5 2  27 5140 1 2 f    11  sup^posing the scientists in our time :c\onquer    / 
 5 2  27 5140 1 1 f    11  _death# - -                                        / 
 5 2  27 5150 1 2 f    11  [@m] ((we`ll)) have a "^long old age to look       / 
 5 2  27 5150 1 1 f    11  :f\orward _to# .                                   / 
 5 2  27 5160 1 1 f    11  ^have you ever :th\ought ab/out _it#               / 
 5 2  28 5170 1 2 f    11  and ^whether that would . be a 'thing you`d        / 
 5 2  28 5170 1 1 f    11  l/ike# -                                           / 
 5 2  28 5180 1 1 f    11  Alec . ^what ((would we)) !d\o with _everybody#    / 
 5 2  28 5190 1 1 f    11  in the ^w/orld#                                    / 
 5 2  28 5200 1 2 ?    11  the ^thing to do is to :send ((us)) into a future  / 
 5 2  28 5200 1 1 ?    11  :Br\ains _Trust#                                   / 
 5 2  28 5210 1 1 ?    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 2  28 5220 1 1 ?    11  yes yes ^y/es#                                     / 
 5 2  28 5230 1 1 ?    11  ^all r/ight#                                       / 
 5 2  28 5240 1 1 f    12  ^I agree I :think [@m] we ^m\ust I _think# .       / 
 5 2  28 5250 1 1 f    11  ^go on to the :n\ext _question#                    / 
 5 2  28 5260 1 1 f    20  which is from (name)                               / 
 5 2  28 5270 1 2 II   20  (when I think I think in words I talk to myself as / 
 5 2  28 5270 1 1 II   20  it were how did men think before speech was formed)/ 
 5 2  28 5280 1 1 f    11  ^Alan G\emmel#                                     / 
 5 2  28 5290 1 1 g    11  oh ^d\ear#                                         / 
 5 2  28 5300 1 1 g    11  [@ @] - ^this is !quite im:p\ossible#              / 
 5 2  28 5310 1 1 g    11  ^certainly for me to :\answer# -                   / 
 5 2  28 5320 1 2 g    11  ^but - :if one !tries to draw an an:alogy from     / 
 5 2  28 5320 1 1 g    11  \animals# - -                                      / 
 5 2  29 5330 1 1 g    11  ^their !acts . which :look . th\oughtful# -        / 
 5 2  29 5340 1 1 g    11  ^such as the !spider`s :spinning of a :w\eb#       / 
 5 2  29 5350 1 1 g    11  or a ^bird :building of a :n\est# -                / 
 5 2  29 5360 1 1 g    11  [@m] . are ^not really thoughtful in 'our s/ense#  / 
 5 2  29 5370 1 1 g    11  that they`re . ^concepts . :drawn \out# .          / 
 5 2  29 5380 1 1 g    11  of a ^large number of individual . \/items# -      / 
 5 2  29 5390 1 2 g    11  [@n] . they`re ^concepts built in through a        / 
 5 2  29 5390 1 1 g    11  hereditary :m\echanism# .                          / 
 5 2  29 5400 1 1 g    11  and I ^think in the be:g\/inning# .                / 
 5 2  29 5410 1 1 g    11  ^m=an# .                                           / 
 5 2  29 5420 1 1 g    11  ^must h=ave# .                                     / 
 5 2  29 5430 1 1 g    11  in in^verted c=ommas# .                            / 
 5 2  29 5440 1 1 g    11  ^th\ought# -                                       / 
 5 2  29 5450 1 2 g    11  ^in this sense of he !did certain things with:out  / 
 5 2  29 5450 1 1 g    11  knowing the reason :wh\y# .                        / 
 5 2  29 5460 1 1 g    11  ^such as a !child suckling its :m\other# -         / 
 5 2  29 5470 1 1 g    11  with^out knowing :wh\y# .                          / 
 5 2  29 5480 1 1 g    11  ^but . the !m\inute#                               / 
 5 2  29 5490 1 1 g    11  ^he was :capable of . :r\eal _thought# .           / 
 5 2  30 5500 1 1 g    11  he was ^also capable I`m s/\ure#                   / 
 5 2  30 5510 1 1 g    11  of com^m\unicating that th/ought#                  / 
 5 2  30 5520 1 1 g    11  by ^some kind of :n\oise# .                        / 
 5 2  30 5530 1 1 g    11  not ^speech as we kn/ow _it#                       / 
 5 2  30 5540 1 1 g    11  but by ^some kind of n/oise# .                     / 
 5 2  30 5550 1 1 g    11  and ^birds :do th\is#                              / 
 5 2  30 5560 1 1 g    11  and ^animals :do th\is#                            / 
 5 2  30 5570 1 1 f    11  ^K\ennedy#                                         / 
 5 2  30 5580 1 1 f    11  ^what d`:you s\ay#                                 / 
 5 2  30 5590 1 2 k    11  I`m ^doubtful whether thought and communication are/ 
 5 2  30 5590 1 1 k    11  . :necessarily :always together like th\at# .      / 
 5 2  30 5600 1 1 k    11  ^let me :start from the :h\uman /end#              / 
 5 2  30 5610 1 1 k    11  as ^you started from the \animal# -                / 
 5 2  30 5620 1 1 k    11  [@m] - ^[dhi:] . !pr\ocess#                        / 
 5 2  30 5630 1 1 k    11  of ^seeing what goes on a:b\out _one# .            / 
 5 2  30 5640 1 1 k    11  and in^t\erpreting _it# .                          / 
 5 2  30 5650 1 1 k    11  com^paring it with :pr\evious _things# .           / 
 5 2  30 5660 1 1 k    11  "^all that makes up a :t\otal# .                   / 
 5 2  30 5670 1 1 k    11  ^and . the !s\omething#                            / 
 5 2  31 5680 1 1 k    11  which is ^not the sum of the p/arts# .             / 
 5 2  31 5690 1 1 k    11  is ^th\ought# .                                    / 
 5 2  31 5700 1 1 k    11  the ^difference between men and :\animals#         / 
 5 2  31 5710 1 1 k    11  ^s\urely# .                                        / 
 5 2  31 5720 1 1 k    11  is ^not therefore that :one . group . th\inks# .   / 
 5 2  31 5730 1 1 k    11  the ^other d/oesn`t# .                             / 
 5 2  31 5740 1 2 k    11  ^but that [@m - @] . :one thinks !m\ore than the   / 
 5 2  31 5740 1 1 k    11  _other#                                            / 
 5 2  31 5750 1 1 k    11  that how^ever :l\/ittle#                           / 
 5 2  31 5760 1 2 k    13  there ^must be !s\ome ^s\ome . [w] ^something which/ 
 5 2  31 5760 1 1 k    13  is more than the p/arts#                           / 
 5 2  31 5770 1 1 k    11  ^even in the :\animal# .                           / 
 5 2  31 5780 1 1 k    11  ^even the animal im:printing an i:d\/ea# .         / 
 5 2  31 5790 1 1 k    11  and ^bringing it out on a later occ/asion#         / 
 5 2  31 5800 1 1 k    11  ^that is a :process of !th\ought# .                / 
 5 2  31 5810 1 1 k    11  and . ^l\ater# .                                   / 
 5 2  31 5820 1 3 k    11  ^with this tre!mendous ac:celeration of the        / 
 5 2  31 5820 1 2 k    11  :thinking process and the . de:velopment of the    / 
 5 2  31 5820 1 1 k    11  br/ain# .                                          / 
 5 2  31 5830 1 1 k    11  [@m] - "^then come the specialized w/ays# .        / 
 5 2  31 5840 1 2 k    11  and . the ^linking of thought to [k@] to           / 
 5 2  31 5840 1 1 k    11  communi!c\ation# .                                 / 
 5 2  32 5850 1 1 k    11  ^but . "s/\urely# .                                / 
 5 2  32 5860 1 1 k    12  you ^can . it is ^necessary to :th\ink# .          / 
 5 2  32 5870 1 1 k    11  as ^well as com!m\unicate# .                       / 
 5 2  32 5880 1 1 k    11  to ^think with!\out com_municating# .              / 
 5 2  32 5890 1 1 k    11  and there are ^many !p\eople# .                    / 
 5 2  32 5900 1 1 k    11  [@] who ^don`t . think in w/\ords# .               / 
 5 2  32 5910 1 1 k    11  but who ^think in !\abstracts#                     / 
 5 2  32 5920 1 1 f    11  ^this is quite !c\ommon in _your _view#            / 
 5 2  32 5930 1 1 f    11  ^/is _it#                                          / 
 5 2  32 5940 1 2 k    11  well I ^think people who are going to create       / 
 5 2  32 5940 1 1 k    11  anything n/\ew#                                    / 
 5 2  32 5950 1 1 k    11  to de^velop a :n\ew i_dea# .                       / 
 5 2  32 5960 1 2 k    11  which is ^not . on the present !tr\amlines of      / 
 5 2  32 5960 1 1 k    11  communic/ation# .                                  / 
 5 2  32 5970 1 1 k    11  have "^g\ot to do th/at#                           / 
 5 2  32 5980 1 1 ?    11  ^I s/ee#                                           / 
 5 2  32 5990 1 1 f    11  ^D\aiches#                                         / 
 5 2  32 6000 1 1 f    11  what`s ^y\our _view#                               / 
 5 2  33 6010 1 1 d    11  well I think ^anyone who has r\ead#                / 
 5 2  33 6020 1 1 d    11  [@] ^Statio Lorenzi`s book King Solomon`s :R\ing# ./ 
 5 2  33 6030 1 1 d    11  ^knows that :animals :d\o#                         / 
 5 2  33 6040 1 1 d    11  ^th\ink#                                           / 
 5 2  33 6050 1 1 d    11  ^in a :s\ense# .                                   / 
 5 2  33 6060 1 1 d    11  and ^also do com!m\unicate# .                      / 
 5 2  33 6070 1 1 d    11  but ^on the other :h\and#                          / 
 5 2  33 6080 1 1 d    11  ^\obviously# .                                     / 
 5 2  33 6090 1 1 d    11  the a^mount of :th\ought#                          / 
 5 2  33 6100 1 1 d    11  and the . a^mount of communi:c\ation#              / 
 5 2  33 6110 1 1 d    11  is se^verely :l\imited# .                          / 
 5 2  33 6120 1 1 d    11  [@] with^out l\anguage# .                          / 
 5 2  33 6130 1 1 d    11  the ^more . you . de!v\elop# .                     / 
 5 2  33 6140 1 1 d    11  ^in in bio!logical :human progr\ession# .          / 
 5 2  33 6150 1 1 d    11  the ^more your a:b\/ility# .                       / 
 5 2  33 6160 1 1 d    11  ^to . !g\/eneralize# .                             / 
 5 2  33 6170 1 2 d    11  ^to make !large conclusions about particular       / 
 5 2  33 6170 1 1 d    11  :c\ases# .                                         / 
 5 2  33 6180 1 1 d    11  in . in ^very !pr\imitive l/anguages#              / 
 5 2  33 6190 1 2 d    11  you have a ^dozen different words for the :same    / 
 5 2  33 6190 1 1 d    11  :th\ing# .                                         / 
 5 2  33 6200 1 1 d    11  whether it`s a ^subject or an :\object# .          / 
 5 2  33 6210 1 3 d    11  whether you ^see your :mother-in-law coming        / 
 5 2  33 6210 1 2 d    11  tow/ards _you or whether she`s going aw\ay from    / 
 5 2  33 6210 1 1 d    11  _you#                                              / 
 5 2  34 6220 1 1 d    11  it`s a ^different !w\ord# .                        / 
 5 2  34 6230 1 2 d    11  the a^bility to use the same word to cover lots of / 
 5 2  34 6230 1 1 d    11  different :c\ases# .                               / 
 5 2  34 6240 1 1 d    11  is the ^first st\ep# .                             / 
 5 2  34 6250 1 1 d    11  ^towards . syllo!gistic th\inking# .               / 
 5 2  34 6260 1 1 d    11  [t@wo:] ^towards !drawing con:cl\usions#           / 
 5 2  34 6270 1 1 d    11  from par^t\iculars# .                              / 
 5 2  34 6280 1 1 d    11  in ^that s\ense# .                                 / 
 5 2  34 6290 1 2 d    11  I ^think . !any [@?] ability to !think             / 
 5 2  34 6290 1 1 d    11  l\ogically# .                                      / 
 5 2  34 6300 1 1 d    11  [@:] . re^qu\/ires# .                              / 
 5 2  34 6310 1 1 d    11  [dhi:] . the ^use of l\anguage# .                  / 
 5 2  34 6320 1 2 d    11  on the ^other hand there is . :meta!ph\orical      / 
 5 2  34 6320 1 1 d    11  _thinking# .                                       / 
 5 2  34 6330 1 2 d    11  ^Shelley once said in the :youth of the [w@:d]     / 
 5 2  34 6330 1 1 d    11  w=orld#                                            / 
 5 2  34 6340 1 1 d    11  ^all language was meta!ph\orical# .                / 
 5 2  34 6350 1 1 d    11  when you ^see things as :\other _things# .         / 
 5 2  34 6360 1 1 d    11  they are ^not "r\eally _other _things# .           / 
 5 2  34 6370 1 1 d    11  you ^see the rising sun as a :g\od# .              / 
 5 2  35 6380 1 1 d    11  you ^know he !\isn`t a _god# .                     / 
 5 2  35 6390 1 1 d    11  but to ^th\ink of the rising sun as a g/od# .      / 
 5 2  35 6400 1 4 d    11  ex^plains something about the :human feeling about / 
 5 2  35 6400 1 3 d    11  a :new day coming and the excitement of . [@] . of / 
 5 2  35 6400 1 2 d    11  of of the re:currence of the seasons and :all      / 
 5 2  35 6400 1 1 d    11  th\at# -                                           / 
 5 2  35 6410 1 2 d    11  [m@] meta^phorical thinking is . !quite            / 
 5 2  35 6410 1 1 d    11  d\ifferent# .                                      / 
 5 2  35 6420 1 2 d    11  ^from !what one might call syllo:gistic or         / 
 5 2  35 6420 1 1 d    11  :l\ogical th/inking# .                             / 
 5 2  35 6430 1 1 d    11  in the ^great poets the :two ((merge)) tog\ether# -/ 
 5 2  35 6440 1 1 d    11  ^man`s !greatest contribution of :\all#            / 
 5 2  35 6450 1 1 d    11  I ^th\ink# .                                       / 
 5 2  35 6460 1 1 d    11  ^is that !he can com!b\ine# .                      / 
 5 2  35 6470 1 1 d    11  meta^ph\orical _thinking# .                        / 
 5 2  35 6480 1 1 d    11  ^seeing one thing as an:\other#                    / 
 5 2  35 6490 1 1 d    11  ^which it !\isn`t# .                               / 
 5 2  35 6500 1 1 d    11  but if we ^think that it :=is# .                   / 
 5 2  35 6510 1 2 d    11  we ^get a certain . !new kind of :insight into what/ 
 5 2  35 6510 1 1 d    11  :both really \are# -                               / 
 5 2  36 6520 1 1 d    11  and at the ^same t\ime# .                          / 
 5 2  36 6530 1 2 d    11  being ^able to use :logic . :language .            / 
 5 2  36 6530 1 1 d    11  :l\ogically# .                                     / 
 5 2  36 6540 1 2 d    11  the ^two together produce the greatest kinds of    / 
 5 2  36 6540 1 1 d    11  :l\iterature#                                      / 
 5 2  36 6550 1 1 d    11  which is ^purely h\uman#                           / 
 5 2  36 6560 1 1 d    11  ((and)) ^animals can`t do that at \all#            / 
 5 2  36 6570 1 1 f    11  ^Moncr/eiffe#                                      / 
 5 2  36 6580 1 1 m    11  ^w/\ell# .                                         / 
 5 2  36 6590 1 2 m    11  ^firstly I a:gree with the :questioner that        / 
 5 2  36 6590 1 1 m    11  w/\ords#                                           / 
 5 2  36 6600 1 2 m    11  ^play an e!normous part in :raising us above the   / 
 5 2  36 6600 1 1 m    11  :\/animals# -                                      / 
 5 2  36 6610 1 2 m    11  ^obviously !once words had been :f\ormulated by    / 
 5 2  36 6610 1 1 m    11  m/en# .                                            / 
 5 2  36 6620 1 1 m    12  ^one ^they can ex!press their th/oughts# .         / 
 5 2  36 6630 1 1 m    11  com^municate them to each \/other# .               / 
 5 2  36 6640 1 1 m    11  ^t\/abulate _them#                                 / 
 5 2  36 6650 1 1 m    11  and and and ^tidy them away much more !\easily# .  / 
 5 2  36 6660 1 1 m    11  and ^I think that !wr\iting# .                     / 
 5 2  36 6670 1 1 m    11  is the ^n\ext big st/ep#                           / 
 5 2  37 6680 1 2 m    11  be^cause you can then write !d\own your            / 
 5 2  37 6680 1 1 m    11  th/oughts# .                                       / 
 5 2  37 6690 1 3 m    11  and . ^hold them back ((to)) :look at again or     / 
 5 2  37 6690 1 2 m    11  :pass them on to other people after you`re         / 
 5 2  37 6690 1 1 m    11  :d\ead# -                                          / 
 5 2  37 6700 1 2 m    11  "^but . I`d I :think that be:fore words were       / 
 5 2  37 6700 1 1 m    11  inv\ented# .                                       / 
 5 2  37 6710 1 1 m    11  ^men thought quite !simply in !p\ictures# .        / 
 5 2  37 6720 1 1 m    11  as one ^does very !m\uch# .                        / 
 5 2  37 6730 1 1 m    11  you ^smell a sm\ell# .                             / 
 5 2  37 6740 1 1 m    11  which re^minds you of . your sch/ool _days# .      / 
 5 2  37 6750 1 1 m    11  or of . you ^hear a a :t/une#                      / 
 5 2  37 6760 1 1 m    11  which re^minds you at :/once# .                    / 
 5 2  37 6770 1 1 m    11  ^scenes !flash into you m\ind# -                   / 
 5 2  37 6780 1 2 m    12  and ^a [s@:t] a ^great deal of one`s thinking is   / 
 5 2  37 6780 1 1 m    12  :d\one# -                                          / 
 5 2  37 6790 1 1 m    11  in ^\images# -                                     / 
 5 2  37 6800 1 2 m    11  ^now . [dh] this . :special mumbo jumbo absurdity  / 
 5 2  37 6800 1 1 m    11  that ":heralds go :\/in _for# -                    / 
 5 2  37 6810 1 1 m    11  is ^very much conc/\erned# .                       / 
 5 2  37 6820 1 1 m    11  ^with . [dhi] !use of these \images# -             / 
 5 2  38 6830 1 2 m    11  for ex^ample [@] as [@m] :Daiches :s\aid just      / 
 5 2  38 6830 1 1 m    11  n/ow# -                                            / 
 5 2  38 6840 1 1 m    11  the ^sun can be a g/\od# .                         / 
 5 2  38 6850 1 1 m    11  ^people know it :\/isn`t# .                        / 
 5 2  38 6860 1 2 m    11  but there it it ^symbolizes . a particular .       / 
 5 2  38 6860 1 1 m    11  :life-giving !f\orce# -                            / 
 5 2  38 6870 1 1 m    11  [dh@?] the ^m\/oon# .                              / 
 5 2  38 6880 1 1 m    11  ^which is a cr/escent# .                           / 
 5 2  38 6890 1 1 m    11  ^looks like the horns of a c/ow# .                 / 
 5 2  38 6900 1 1 m    11  a ^cow gives milk to . mank/ind# .                 / 
 5 2  38 6910 1 2 m    11  ^therefore - [dh] the :cow . the :moon can :both   / 
 5 2  38 6910 1 1 m    11  symbolize a :qu\een#                               / 
 5 2  38 6920 1 1 m    11  or a ^g\oddess#                                    / 
 5 2  38 6930 1 1 m    11  in ^h\eraldry# -                                   / 
 5 2  38 6940 1 1 m    11  and ^s\o _on#                                      / 
 5 2  38 6950 1 1 m    11  and ^s\o _forth# -                                 / 
 5 2  38 6960 1 1 m    11  ^these are :visual th/ings#                        / 
 5 2  38 6970 1 1 m    11  you don`t ^need words to con:v\ey _them# .         / 
 5 2  38 6980 1 2 m    11  and ^countries as far apart as :China . and        / 
 5 2  38 6980 1 1 m    11  W/\ales# -                                         / 
 5 2  38 6990 1 2 m    11  will ^use the dragon to con:vey . basically the    / 
 5 2  38 6990 1 1 m    11  same !c\oncepts#                                   / 
 5 2  38 7000 1 1 ?    20  [hm]                                               / 
 5 2  38 7010 1 1(m    11  - without ^\any _word((s))# .                      / 
 5 2  39 7020 1 1 m    11  "^and I bel/ieve# .                                / 
 5 2  39 7030 1 1 m    11  that . in [dzh@] ^Japanese and in :Ch\/inese# .    / 
 5 2  39 7040 1 2 m    11  [dh@] that . [dh@ . @] . when when the ^Japanese   / 
 5 2  39 7040 1 1 m    11  took the Chinese :scr\ipt# .                       / 
 5 2  39 7050 1 1 m    11  they at^tached their own w/\ords#                  / 
 5 2  39 7060 1 2 m    11  to the . the . ^[id . id - id . id id id id]       / 
 5 2  39 7060 1 1 m    11  /ideographs# .                                     / 
 5 2  39 7070 1 1 m    11  and ^that symbol which is the :s\un#               / 
 5 2  39 7080 1 1 m    11  will be ^ni in Japan/ese#                          / 
 5 2  39 7090 1 1 m    11  and ((`ll)) be ^something else in Ch/\inese# .     / 
 5 2  39 7100 1 1 m    11  the ^w\ords are d/ifferent#                        / 
 5 2  39 7110 1 1 m    11  but the ^\image is the s/ame#                      / 
 5 2  39 7120 1 1 m    11  it`s the ^s\un#                                    / 
 5 2  39 7130 1 1 f    11  ^even within the Chi!n\ese _language#              / 
 5 2  39 7140 1 1 f    11  you ^get !quite different :s\/ounds# .             / 
 5 2  39 7150 1 1 f    11  ^d\on`t _you# .                                    / 
 5 2  39 7160 1 1 f    11  for the ^same th\ing#                              / 
 5 2  39 7170 1 1 ?    11  for the ^same th\ing#                              / 
 5 2  39 7180 1 1 f    11  ^K/ennedy#                                         / 
 5 2  40 7190 1 2 k    11  ^I`m not too :happy about this lauding of          / 
 5 2  40 7190 1 1 k    11  l\anguage# -                                       / 
 5 2  40 7200 1 1 k    11  ^when man acquired l\anguage# .                    / 
 5 2  40 7210 1 1 k    11  ^he acquired a !pr\ison# -                         / 
 5 2  40 7220 1 1 k    11  and that is ^very difficult to esc\ape _from# -    / 
 5 2  40 7230 1 1 k    11  ^after =all# -                                     / 
 5 2  40 7240 1 1 k    11  [@] as ^Daiches has s\aid# -                       / 
 5 2  40 7250 1 1 k    11  [@m] . ^understand things in terms of l/anguage# . / 
 5 2  40 7260 1 1 k    11  ^build things in terms of l/anguage# .             / 
 5 2  40 7270 1 1 k    11  ^s/ymbols# .                                       / 
 5 2  40 7280 1 1 k    11  ^and you produce l\iterature# .                    / 
 5 2  40 7290 1 2 k    11  [@m] . but ^if you want to produce something .     / 
 5 2  40 7290 1 1 k    11  which is . [@m] . :cosmically . :n\ew# -           / 
 5 2  40 7300 1 1 k    11  you`ve ^got to have :s\/omething# .                / 
 5 2  40 7310 1 1 k    11  you`ve ^got to get out!side [dhi:] . l\anguage# .  / 
 5 2  40 7320 1 2 k    11  you`ve ^got to try other languages like            / 
 5 2  40 7320 1 1 k    11  mathem/atics# .                                    / 
 5 2  40 7330 1 1 k    11  and ^then . beaten th\/ere# .                      / 
 5 2  40 7340 1 1 k    11  ^sheer th\ought# .                                 / 
 5 2  40 7350 1 1 k    11  ^after all :K\epler# .                             / 
 5 2  40 7360 1 1 k    11  ^in 'his t\ime#                                    / 
 5 2  40 7370 1 1 k    11  said . [@] . ^what !\I have underst/ood# .         / 
 5 2  41 7380 1 2 k    11  [@m - @m] . ^no one can . will be :able to take in / 
 5 2  41 7380 1 1 k    11  at the :m\/oment#                                  / 
 5 2  41 7390 1 1 k    11  but ^future generations will under:st\and _it# .   / 
 5 2  41 7400 1 1 k    11  ^no "l\anguage could have _given him# .            / 
 5 2  41 7410 1 1 k    11  ^no system of :s\ymbols could have _given him#     / 
 5 2  41 7420 1 1 k    11  that ^th/\ought# .                                 / 
 5 2  41 7430 1 1 k    11  ^that was !abstract th/\ought# .                   / 
 5 2  41 7440 1 1 k    11  and ^only through :th\at#                          / 
 5 2  41 7450 1 1 k    11  ^I th/ink#                                         / 
 5 2  41 7460 1 1 k    11  ^can we make the great st\eps#                     / 
 5 2  41 7470 1 1 f    11  ^Alan G\emmel#                                     / 
 5 2  41 7480 1 1 g    11  this - my ^point really is th\is# -                / 
 5 2  41 7490 1 1 g    11  that "^if you`re going to have th\ought# -         / 
 5 2  41 7500 1 1 g    11  the ^organism which !\is _thinking#                / 
 5 2  41 7510 1 1 g    11  in ^this case m\an# -                              / 
 5 2  41 7520 1 1 g    11  ^must be able to :abstr\act# .                     / 
 5 2  41 7530 1 1 g    11  you know - "^from the t\able# .                    / 
 5 2  41 7540 1 1 g    11  the "^idea of the table with\in _him# -            / 
 5 2  41 7550 1 1 g    11  now "^this is the process of :th\ought# .          / 
 5 2  42 7560 1 1 g    11  as in its . ^one of its s\enses# -                 / 
 5 2  42 7570 1 1 g    11  "^if in f\act# -                                   / 
 5 2  42 7580 1 1 g    11  ^man . de!velops as an \organism# -                / 
 5 2  42 7590 1 2 g    11  he has ^got to have :some means of                 / 
 5 2  42 7590 1 1 g    11  com:m\/unicating# .                                / 
 5 2  42 7600 1 1 g    11  "^this th\ought# .                                 / 
 5 2  42 7610 1 1 g    11  to his ^fellow m\an# .                             / 
 5 2  42 7620 1 1 g    11  he ^cannot . hand him a t\able# -                  / 
 5 2  42 7630 1 1 g    11  ^therefore he has to evoke :some kind of \image# . / 
 5 2  42 7640 1 1 g    11  be it a ^p/icture# .                               / 
 5 2  42 7650 1 1 g    11  be it a ^written w/ord# .                          / 
 5 2  42 7660 1 1 g    11  or ^be it a s\ound# -                              / 
 5 2  42 7670 1 1 g    11  and I think ^therefore when :m=an# .               / 
 5 2  42 7680 1 1 g    11  ^really became :m=an#                              / 
 5 2  42 7690 1 1 g    11  and ^stopped being a :b\east# -                    / 
 5 2  42 7700 1 1 g    11  ^these two characteristics were th\ere# .          / 
 5 2  42 7710 1 1 g    11  and they`re ^very closely t\ied#                   / 
 5 2  42 7720 1 1 f    11  well ^shall we :s\ay to Mr Guthridge th/en#        / 
 5 2  42 7730 1 1 f    11  that [dhi:] . ^brief answer to this qu/estion#     / 
 5 2  42 7740 1 1 f    11  ^h\ow men thought before speech was f/ormed# .     / 
 5 2  43 7750 1 2 f    11  ^will be obtained . by the :study of the higher    / 
 5 2  43 7750 1 1 f    11  \/animals#                                         / 
 5 2  43 7760 1 1 f    11  and ^how they comm\unicate#                        / 
 5 2  43 7770 1 1 f    11  is ^that [bi:] a fair /answer#                     / 
 5 2  43 7780 1 6 II   20  (when one thinks of the thousands of ancestors     / 
 5 2  43 7780 1 5 II   20  who`ve had a hand in our making we ought not to be / 
 5 2  43 7780 1 4 II   20  unduly surprised when our children do not resemble / 
 5 2  43 7780 1 3 II   20  us in appearance or character couldn`t the         / 
 5 2  43 7780 1 2 II   20  genealogist be of service here to the biologist and/ 
 5 2  43 7780 1 1 II   20  the psychologist)                                  / 
 5 2  43 7790 1 1 f    11  ^Sir Ian Moncr\eiffe#                              / 
 5 2  43 7800 1 2 m    11  well the ^first thing that :any biologist I think  / 
 5 2  43 7800 1 1 m    11  will point :\out to _you# .                        / 
 5 2  43 7810 1 2 m    11  is that you have ^so "many . :different            / 
 5 2  43 7810 1 1 m    11  /ancestors# .                                      / 
 5 2  43 7820 1 3 m    11  that ^[dhi:] a!mount any particular ancestor .     / 
 5 2  43 7820 1 2 m    11  :further back than your great-grand[k]arents goes  / 
 5 2  43 7820 1 1 m    11  towards your :m\ake-up# .                          / 
 5 2  44 7830 1 1 m    11  is ^very difficult to [@m . @] ass/ess# .          / 
 5 2  44 7840 1 1 m    11  and ^may be almost !n\egligible# -                 / 
 5 2  44 7850 1 1 m    11  "^but . one :must remember !tw\o _things#          / 
 5 2  44 7860 1 1 m    11  I ^th\ink# .                                       / 
 5 2  44 7870 1 1 m    11  ^f\/irstly# .                                      / 
 5 2  44 7880 1 2 m    11  that ^what character . what :physical . b\ody you  / 
 5 2  44 7880 1 1 m    11  h/ave#                                             / 
 5 2  44 7890 1 2 m    11  and to ^some extent what :ch\aracter you           / 
 5 2  44 7890 1 1 m    11  poss/ess# .                                        / 
 5 2  44 7900 1 2 m    11  to the extent that your . "^l\iver shall we say    / 
 5 2  44 7900 1 1 m    11  moulds your ch/aracter# .                          / 
 5 2  44 7910 1 1 m    11  ^is inh/\erited#                                   / 
 5 2  44 7920 1 1 m    11  it ^m\ust _be#                                     / 
 5 2  44 7930 1 2 m    12  and it ^must come from [dhi] . bulk it ^comes !\out/ 
 5 2  44 7930 1 1 m    12  of your /ancestors#                                / 
 5 2  44 7940 1 1 m    11  out of the ^b\ulk of _them# .                      / 
 5 2  44 7950 1 1 m    11  the ^second thing is th/\is# .                     / 
 5 2  44 7960 1 1 m    11  and I ^think we should never forg\et _it# .        / 
 5 2  44 7970 1 2 m    11  the ^only !physical immor:tality we :have in this  / 
 5 2  44 7970 1 1 m    11  :w\/orld#                                          / 
 5 2  45 7980 1 2 m    11  is the ^spark of life which we :can hand on to our / 
 5 2  45 7980 1 1 m    11  ch/\ildren# .                                      / 
 5 2  45 7990 1 1 m    11  and which ^they can hand on . for /\ever# .        / 
 5 2  45 8000 1 1 m    11  in^d/\efinitely# .                                 / 
 5 2  45 8010 1 1 m    11  and with^out any !\one of your /ancestors# .       / 
 5 2  45 8020 1 1 m    11  you ^could not ex!\ist# .                          / 
 5 2  45 8030 1 1 m    11  ^now . you have !two p/arents#                     / 
 5 2  45 8040 1 1 m    11  ^four grandp/arents#                               / 
 5 2  45 8050 1 1 m    11  ^eight great-grandp/arents# .                      / 
 5 2  45 8060 1 1 m    11  by the ^time you get b/ack# .                      / 
 5 2  45 8070 1 1 m    11  ^even to the :ten h/\undreds#                      / 
 5 2  45 8080 1 1 m    11  you ^get into the m/\illions# .                    / 
 5 2  45 8090 1 1 m    11  and ^nearly everybody in this :c\/ountry# .        / 
 5 2  45 8100 1 1 m    11  will ^have a descent from :certain fixed :f\igures#/ 
 5 2  45 8110 1 2 m    11  shall we ^say . [@ @ @m @] . !most Scottish people / 
 5 2  45 8110 1 1 m    11  I`m :quite sure descend from Malcolm Canm/\ore# .  / 
 5 2  45 8120 1 1 m    11  I should say ^ninety-nine per !c\ent of _people# . / 
 5 2  45 8130 1 1 m    11  ^Sc\ottish _people# .                              / 
 5 2  45 8140 1 1 m    11  de^scend from Malcolm Canm/ore#                    / 
 5 2  46 8150 1 1 m    11  ^not \all#                                         / 
 5 2  46 8160 1 1 m    11  but ^\almost _all# .                               / 
 5 2  46 8170 1 2 m    11  ^now [pi? pi?@] . :people say :what`s it :what`s   / 
 5 2  46 8170 1 1 m    11  that s\ignify#                                     / 
 5 2  46 8180 1 1 m    11  it ^doesn`t m/atter# .                             / 
 5 2  46 8190 1 1 m    11  ^everybody 'else sh/ows this de_scent#             / 
 5 2  46 8200 1 1 m    11  to which the ^answer is . !tw\ofold# .             / 
 5 2  46 8210 1 1 m    11  ^f/\irstly# .                                      / 
 5 2  46 8220 1 1 m    11  ^if Malcolm Canmore had :never :l\ived#            / 
 5 2  46 8230 1 1 m    11  ^or had died in ch\ildhood# .                      / 
 5 2  46 8240 1 1 m    11  ^nobody in Scotland tod/\ay#                       / 
 5 2  46 8250 1 1 m    11  ^could have been !l\iving# .                       / 
 5 2  46 8260 1 1 m    11  there ^would no doubt have been !people l/iving#   / 
 5 2  46 8270 1 1 m    11  but they ^wouldn`t have been the !s\ame _people# . / 
 5 2  46 8280 1 1 m    11  because if you ^knock out !one link in a ch/ain# . / 
 5 2  46 8290 1 1 m    11  the "^whole chain falls to the gr\ound# .          / 
 5 2  46 8300 1 1 m    11  and ^th\/erefore# .                                / 
 5 2  46 8310 1 1 m    11  ^\I _think#                                        / 
 5 2  46 8320 1 2 m    11  we should . re^member those of our ancestors       / 
 5 2  46 8320 1 1 m    11  ((that)) we can find \out ab/out#                  / 
 5 2  46 8330 1 1 m    11  and ^take an \/interest in _them# .                / 
 5 2  47 8340 1 1 m    11  because "^\/out of _them#                          / 
 5 2  47 8350 1 1 m    11  came ^everything that we /\are#                    / 
 5 2  47 8360 1 1 f    11  ^thank you very m/uch#                             / 
 5 2  47 8370 1 1 f    11  ^let`s ask the psy:ch\ologist#                     / 
 5 2  47 8380 1 1 k    11  ^well . I !think the answer to :this qu/estion# .  / 
 5 2  47 8390 1 1 k    11  [@m] the ^question p\ut# .                         / 
 5 2  47 8400 1 1 k    11  ^can the gene:=alogist# .                          / 
 5 2  47 8410 1 1 k    11  ^help the psy:ch=ologist# .                        / 
 5 2  47 8420 1 1 k    11  ^help the gen=eticist# .                           / 
 5 2  47 8430 1 1 k    11  is ^very much y\es# .                              / 
 5 2  47 8440 1 1 k    11  what`s ^m\/ore#                                    / 
 5 2  47 8450 1 2 k    11  it`s in the ^forefront of genetics at this         / 
 5 2  47 8450 1 1 k    11  m/\oment# -                                        / 
 5 2  47 8460 1 3 k    11  and [@m . @:] . ^just 'as . if you :want to know   / 
 5 2  47 8460 1 2 k    11  something about a person`s . psycho:logical        / 
 5 2  47 8460 1 1 k    11  character/istics# .                                / 
 5 2  47 8470 1 1 k    11  that ^may have been inh/erited# .                  / 
 5 2  47 8480 1 3 k    11  [@m] . well the ^best studies are those that have  / 
 5 2  47 8480 1 2 k    11  been :done on com:munities living on small         / 
 5 2  47 8480 1 1 k    11  /islands#                                          / 
 5 2  48 8490 1 1 k    11  where they ^all interm/arry#                       / 
 5 2  48 8500 1 1 k    11  and the ^whole show is . somewhat pre:d\ictable# - / 
 5 2  48 8510 1 1 k    11  ^well now . !if you take the :gr\eat _families# .  / 
 5 2  48 8520 1 1 k    11  in ^which . there`s a :certain predictab/ility#    / 
 5 2  48 8530 1 1 k    11  a ^certain limit/ation#                            / 
 5 2  48 8540 1 2 k    11  in [dhi @] ^field from which they :choose their    / 
 5 2  48 8540 1 1 k    11  m/ates# .                                          / 
 5 2  48 8550 1 1 k    11  you ^can pick !up these th\ings# .                 / 
 5 2  48 8560 1 1 k    11  ^now . the !thing that interests :m\e so _much# .  / 
 5 2  48 8570 1 2 k    11  ^is that [@m] . you !sometimes find in .           / 
 5 2  48 8570 1 1 k    11  h/istory# .                                        / 
 5 2  48 8580 1 2 k    11  [@] ^take [dhi: @m . @m . @] . :[dhi:] example . of/ 
 5 2  48 8580 1 1 k    11  . [@:] :p=eople# .                                 / 
 5 2  48 8590 1 1 k    11  [@] ^who in the special forces during the w/ar#    / 
 5 2  48 8600 1 1 k    11  you re^member David !Stirling you s/ee# .          / 
 5 2  48 8610 1 2 k    11  [@m . @] . ^had . a . sort of . :joyous approach to/ 
 5 2  48 8610 1 1 k    11  s/abotage# .                                       / 
 5 2  48 8620 1 1 k    11  [@m] . they . ^found out new ways to 'do th/ings#  / 
 5 2  49 8630 1 1 k    11  ^new kinds of w\arfare# .                          / 
 5 2  49 8640 1 1 k    11  ^look ((it)) back in their h/istory# .             / 
 5 2  49 8650 1 2 k    11  and . ^you find that . :ancestors of [@ dh@]       / 
 5 2  49 8650 1 1 k    11  th/eirs#                                           / 
 5 2  49 8660 1 2 k    11  have ^done . something of very much the same       / 
 5 2  49 8660 1 1 k    11  k/\ind# .                                          / 
 5 2  49 8670 1 1 k    11  now if you ^take rather pe!c\uliar _traits# .      / 
 5 2  49 8680 1 1 k    11  abnor^m\alities# .                                 / 
 5 2  49 8690 1 1 k    11  they ^\also _tend to _run in _families# .          / 
 5 2  49 8700 1 1 k    11  and ^I think the gene:\/alogist# .                 / 
 5 2  49 8710 1 1 k    11  by ^telling us something about the :d\/etail# .    / 
 5 2  49 8720 1 1 k    11  of ^some of the . !families that`ve . :br\ed#      / 
 5 2  49 8730 1 1 k    11  in this ^rather re:stricted w/ay# .                / 
 5 2  49 8740 1 1 k    11  are ^g\oing to be _able to _help us#               / 
 5 2  49 8750 1 1 k    11  ^psychol\ogically#                                 / 
 5 2  49 8760 1 1 f    11  and ^now the bi!\/ologist#                         / 
 5 2  49 8770 1 1 f    11  ^Alan G\emmel#                                     / 
 5 2  49 8780 1 2 g    11  well I was just ^thinking that if the !questioner  / 
 5 2  49 8780 1 1 g    11  went to the :Tate . M\useum# .                     / 
 5 2  49 8790 1 1 g    11  in ^L\ondon# -                                     / 
 5 2  49 8800 1 2 g    11  and ^had a look at the :portraits of the :kings and/ 
 5 2  49 8800 1 1 g    11  :queens of :\England# -                            / 
 5 2  50 8810 1 2 g    11  you can ^see a !wonderful example of in:heritance  / 
 5 2  50 8810 1 1 g    11  of :eye c\olour# .                                 / 
 5 2  50 8820 1 1 g    11  with^in these p\ortraits# .                        / 
 5 2  50 8830 1 2 g    11  be^cause your !brown and :non-brown eyes are       / 
 5 2  50 8830 1 1 g    11  inh\erited# -                                      / 
 5 2  50 8840 1 2 g    11  and . from the . ^sheer . ex:amining of this .     / 
 5 2  50 8840 1 1 g    11  genea:logical table in p\aint# .                   / 
 5 2  50 8850 1 2 g    11  you can de^duce a :number of Mendel`s !pr\inciples / 
 5 2  50 8850 1 1 g    11  in _fact# -                                        / 
 5 2  50 8860 1 1 g    11  if you ^look at our !present royal f/amily# -      / 
 5 2  50 8870 1 2 g    11  [@m] you can ^see the thing which is known in .    / 
 5 2  50 8870 1 1 g    11  gen/etics#                                         / 
 5 2  50 8880 1 1 g    11  as the ^Habsburg :l\ip# -                          / 
 5 2  50 8890 1 1 g    11  ^which is a . a !type of :mouth str/ucture# .      / 
 5 2  50 8900 1 2 g    11  which is which ^was characteristic of the          / 
 5 2  50 8900 1 1 g    11  H/absburgs#                                        / 
 5 2  50 8910 1 3 g    11  and which`s ap^peared in all [dhi] . :families     / 
 5 2  50 8910 1 2 g    11  which`ve either :stemmed 'from it or married !\into/ 
 5 2  50 8910 1 1 g    11  that _family# -                                    / 
 5 2  51 8920 1 1 g    11  and . ^c\ertainly# .                               / 
 5 2  51 8930 1 1 g    11  from ^large number of genealogical :t\/ables# -    / 
 5 2  51 8940 1 1 g    11  ^nearly "!\all#                                    / 
 5 2  51 8950 1 2 g    11  that is ^known about human genetics has been       / 
 5 2  51 8950 1 1 g    11  :dr\awn# -                                         / 
 5 2  51 8960 1 1 g    11  ^they may not be r=oyal _families#                 / 
 5 2  51 8970 1 1 g    11  they`re - ^well-known families of m/\orons#        / 
 5 2  51 8980 1 1 g    11  like . the ^Callicocks in A:m\erica# .             / 
 5 2  51 8990 1 2 g    11  who ^cost the United States !millions of dollars in/ 
 5 2  51 8990 1 1 g    11  mental de:f\iciency#                               / 
 5 2  51 9000 1 1 g    11  and ^\alcoholism and _so on# -                     / 
 5 2  51 9010 1 2 g    11  ^certainly biology has an !awful lot to learn from / 
 5 2  51 9010 1 1 g    11  gene\alogy#                                        / 
 5 2  51 9020 1 1 f    11  ^David !D\aiches#                                  / 
 5 2  51 9030 1 1 f    11  are ^you going to comment on this t/oo#            / 
 5 2  51 9040 1 1 d    11  ^well [@ . @] . I :just want to make !tw\o _points#/ 
 5 2  52 9050 1 2 d    11  the ^first is . if you have a suf!ficiently        / 
 5 2  52 9050 1 1 d    11  :limited and con:trolled comm\unity# .             / 
 5 2  52 9060 1 1 d    11  ^obviously I should :th\ink#                       / 
 5 2  52 9070 1 2 d    11  the psy^chologist and [dh@m] and the .             / 
 5 2  52 9070 1 1 d    11  ge:n\eticist# .                                    / 
 5 2  52 9080 1 1 d    11  could ^learn a tre!mendous a:m\ount# .             / 
 5 2  52 9090 1 2 d    11  ^from the great English families like . the        / 
 5 2  52 9090 1 1 d    11  !Str\acheys#                                       / 
 5 2  52 9100 1 1 d    11  and and the ^H\uxleys#                             / 
 5 2  52 9110 1 1 d    11  and the ^C\ecils#                                  / 
 5 2  52 9120 1 1 d    11  and ^s\o _on# .                                    / 
 5 2  52 9130 1 1 d    11  [wi? dh@] ^they were . as as :Kennedy has !s\aid#  / 
 5 2  52 9140 1 1 d    11  they they . ^most of them in the p/ast#            / 
 5 2  52 9150 1 2 d    11  ^found their marriages within the same . social    / 
 5 2  52 9150 1 1 d    11  intellectual c/ircle# .                            / 
 5 2  52 9160 1 1 d    11  we we the ma^t\erial#                              / 
 5 2  52 9170 1 1 d    11  is a^v\ailable#                                    / 
 5 2  52 9180 1 1 d    11  and it`s ^l\imited# -                              / 
 5 2  52 9190 1 1 d    11  for ^m\/ost of _us# .                              / 
 5 2  52 9200 1 1 d    11  [@] ^that material . is :so l/arge# .              / 
 5 2  52 9210 1 2 d    11  [@:] . that . there`s ^nothing . one can !d\o about/ 
 5 2  52 9210 1 1 d    11  _it#                                               / 
 5 2  53 9220 1 1 d    11  ^one may . :f=ind#                                 / 
 5 2  53 9230 1 2 d    11  [dh@] . ^most people find their origins . [@:]     / 
 5 2  53 9230 1 1 d    11  :wherever they c/\an#                              / 
 5 2  53 9240 1 1 d    11  and it ^goes b\ack#                                / 
 5 2  53 9250 1 1 d    11  and ^b\ack#                                        / 
 5 2  53 9260 1 1 d    11  as ^Sir Ian has s\aid# .                           / 
 5 2  53 9270 1 1 d    11  and we we ^can`t trace it any !f\urther# -         / 
 5 2  53 9280 1 1 d    11  but . the ^second point /is# .                     / 
 5 2  53 9290 1 1 d    11  that there ^is I :think . a !proper \interest# .   / 
 5 2  53 9300 1 1 d    11  in the ^conti!n\uity# .                            / 
 5 2  53 9310 1 1 d    11  of ^gener!\ations# .                               / 
 5 2  53 9320 1 1 d    11  which`s ^nothing to !d\o with bi/ology#            / 
 5 2  53 9330 1 1 d    11  which is ^part of . [@] a sort of human p/\iety#   / 
 5 2  53 9340 1 1 d    11  which en^ables you to . 'see 'your "pl\ace# .      / 
 5 2  53 9350 1 1 d    11  in [dhi:] . ^conti!nuity of civiliz\ation# .       / 
 5 2  53 9360 1 1 d    11  and . ^any :civilized man must . :h\ave _that# .   / 
 5 2  53 9370 1 1 d    11  as . ^part of his emotional :m\/ake-_up# .         / 
 5 2  53 9380 1 1 d    11  ^if [@] . he`s going to play a proper :r\/ole#     / 
 5 2  53 9390 1 1 d    11  in the so^ciety of which he is a p\art#            / 
 5 2  54 9400 1 1 f    12  ^well I :hope *-* ^y\es#                           / 
 5 2  54 9410 1 1 f    11  ^Moncr\eiffe#                                      / 
 5 2  54 9420 1 2 m    12  *^could I [br]* (gap) it`s a ^long interest of     / 
 5 2  54 9420 1 1 m    12  m=ine#                                             / 
 5 2  54 9430 1 1 m    11  and I`ve ^never been able to :c\orner a bi_ologist#/ 
 5 2  54 9440 1 1 m    11  ^/over th\is# -                                    / 
 5 2  54 9450 1 1 m    11  [@] you ^know that . :what makes you a :m\/an#     / 
 5 2  54 9460 1 2 m    11  is that ^your father gives ((a)) Y                 / 
 5 2  54 9460 1 1 m    11  :chr\omosome# *.*                                  / 
 5 2  54 9470 2 1 m    21  [@m] and that "^\only your _father can             / 
 5 2  54 9480 1 1 ?    11  *^y/es#*                                           / 
 5 2  54 9470 1 1(m    11  _give _that# -                                     / 
 5 2  54 9490 1 2 m    11  now it`s ^quite obvious that certain things can be / 
 5 2  54 9490 1 1 m    11  :sexlinked to the Y chr/omosome# .                 / 
 5 2  54 9500 1 1 m    11  be^cause for ex/\ample#                            / 
 5 2  54 9510 1 1 m    11  ^ever since the th/irteen _hundreds#               / 
 5 2  54 9520 1 1 m    11  the ^T\albots#                                     / 
 5 2  54 9530 1 1 m    11  have ^had this business of syn!d\actylism#         / 
 5 2  54 9540 1 1 m    11  "^only in the male l\ine# .                        / 
 5 2  54 9550 1 1 m    11  we`ve ^all got Talbot :bl\ood# .                   / 
 5 2  54 9560 1 1 m    11  but ^only Talbots :h\ave it#                       / 
 5 2  55 9570 1 1 f    11  ^yes - I`m sorry but they`ve had wh/at# .          / 
 5 2  55 9580 1 1 f    21  ^this business of                                  / 
 5 2  55 9590 1 1 m    11  ((thing ^called)) synd\actylism#                   / 
 5 2  55 9600 2 1 m    23  it`s ^when the *.* what I`m ^talking -             / 
 5 2  55 9610 1 1 ?    20  *yes*                                              / 
 5 2  55 9600 1 1(m    13  ^now . the Robertsons of Str/\ome# -               / 
 5 2  55 9620 1 1 m    11  who ^form a tre:mendous tribe in P\erthshire#      / 
 5 2  55 9630 1 1 m    11  "^th\ey _have a# .                                 / 
 5 2  55 9640 1 2 m    11  a ^tendency for their !outer fingers to turn       / 
 5 2  55 9640 1 1 m    11  :\in# -                                            / 
 5 2  55 9650 1 1 m    11  a^gain 'only in the male l\ine# .                  / 
 5 2  55 9660 2 1 m    22  it ^doesn`t go *.* [@m]                            / 
 5 2  55 9670 1 1 f    11  *^and d\aughters#*                                 / 
 5 2  55 9680 1 1 f    11  and ^Sir Robertson of Str\ome#                     / 
 5 2  55 9660 1 1(m    12  is ^that a Robertson /one# +-+                     / 
 5 2  55 9690 2 1 m    21  and and [@m] . the [@ @]                           / 
 5 2  55 9700 1 1 f    20  +yes+                                              / 
 5 2  56 9690 1 1(m    11  there "^\are _these _things#                       / 
 5 2  56 9710 1 1 m    11  that ap^p\ear to be _sexlinked#                    / 
 5 2  56 9720 1 1 m    11  on the ^Y chr\omosome# *.*                         / 
 5 2  56 9730 2 1 m    21  but (gap) ^see it                                  / 
 5 2  56 9740 1 1 f    20  *yes*                                              / 
 5 2  56 9730 1 1(m    11  :\even more str/ongly#                             / 
 5 2  56 9750 1 1 m    11  because they`re "^\all interrelated in Sc/ot_land# / 
 5 2  56 9760 1 1 m    11  it`s it`s a ^sm\all c/ountry#                      / 
 5 2  56 9770 1 1 m    11  and we`ve "^all intermarried for a :long t\ime#    / 
 5 2  56 9780 1 1 m    11  and ^yet . there are :C/ampbell _character_istics# / 
 5 2  56 9790 1 2 m    11  there are . the ^main Campbell characteristic was  / 
 5 2  56 9790 1 1 m    11  their great !c\ourage# .                           / 
 5 2  56 9800 1 1 m    11  [@m] if you ^take the :Cawdor C/ampbells# .        / 
 5 2  56 9810 1 1 m    11  ^three Victoria Cr/osses#                          / 
 5 2  56 9820 1 1 m    11  un^limited M!\Cs# .                                / 
 5 2  56 9830 1 1 m    11  the ^L\/indsays# -                                 / 
 5 2  56 9840 1 1 m    11  ^always very c\ivilized#                           / 
 5 2  56 9850 1 1 m    11  ^they write pl\ays# .                              / 
 5 2  56 9860 1 1 m    11  they . ^Lord !Cr\awford#                           / 
 5 2  56 9870 1 1 m    11  is a very ^good ex:\ample# -                       / 
 5 2  56 9880 1 1 m    11  they they`re ^very art\istic# .                    / 
 5 2  57 9890 1 1 m    11  and ^yet they`re all interm/arried# -              / 
 5 2  57 9900 1 1 m    11  and I`ve ^always wanted to :t\ackle a bi_ologist#  / 
 5 2  57 9910 1 1 m    11  a^b\out _this#                                     / 
 5 2  57 9920 1 1 m    11  but they ^alw\ays _say#                            / 
 5 2  57 9930 1 1 m    11  ^oh no the :Y chromosome is !so m\odified#         / 
 5 2  57 9940 1 1 m    11  in ^every gener\/ation# .                          / 
 5 2  57 9950 1 2 m    11  that you ^can`t be sure there is :any of it        / 
 5 2  57 9950 1 1 m    11  l/eft# .                                           / 
 5 2  57 9960 1 1 m    11  ^after a few gener!\ations#                        / 
 5 3   1   10 1 1 w    11  ^Mr Na!b\arro#                                     / 
 5 3   1   20 1 1 w    11  you`re ^well kn\own# .                             / 
 5 3   1   30 1 1 w    11  [@:] for your ^\advocacy#                          / 
 5 3   1   40 1 1 w    11  in the ^House of :C\/ommons# .                     / 
 5 3   1   50 1 1 w    11  of ^more v\iolent m/easures#                       / 
 5 3   1   60 1 1 w    11  a^gainst the :cr\iminal# .                         / 
 5 3   1   70 1 1 w    11  than the ^law at :present t\akes# -                / 
 5 3   1   80 1 1 w    11  I ^wonder if you`d :tell us f\irst# .              / 
 5 3   1   90 1 2 w    11  ^what you your:self would !like to be [s] :see to  / 
 5 3   1   90 1 1 w    11  be d/one {in this ^m/atter#}# -                    / 
 5 3   1  100 1 2 w    11  and . [w] "^why you :th\ink {that ^stronger        / 
 5 3   1  100 1 1 w    11  'measures are ^n\eeded#}#                          / 
 5 3   1  110 1 1 n    11  I`m ^s/\orry {Mr ^W\illiams#}#                     / 
 5 3   1  120 1 2 n    11  that you ^use [dhi] {:w\ord} "!v\iolent - {[@:] .  / 
 5 3   1  120 1 1 n    11  ^m\easures#}# - -                                  / 
 5 3   1  130 1 2 n    11  [@:] ^I be!lieve in :sterner and more :r\obust     / 
 5 3   1  130 1 1 n    11  _measures#                                         / 
 5 3   1  140 1 1 n    11  in ^combating cr\ime# -                            / 
 5 3   1  150 1 2 n    11  [@] there is ^very great :public conc\ern in Great / 
 5 3   1  150 1 1 n    11  Britain tod/ay#                                    / 
 5 3   1  160 1 1 n    11  about the ^rising !t\ide of cr/ime# -              / 
 5 3   1  170 1 1 n    11  and [@] ^\/also#                                   / 
 5 3   1  180 1 1 n    11  ^whether the :p\unishments#                        / 
 5 3   1  190 1 1 n    11  which the ^courts are empowered to . imp/ose# .    / 
 5 3   1  200 1 1 n    11  are ^\/adequate#                                   / 
 5 3   1  210 1 1 n    11  in ^view of this [@] phen\omenon# -                / 
 5 3   1  220 1 1 n    11  of ^c\ourse#                                       / 
 5 3   2  230 1 1 n    11  [dhi @ @] ^{w\orld}-!w\ide# .                      / 
 5 3   2  240 1 1 n    11  ^increase in cr/ime# -                             / 
 5 3   2  250 1 1 n    11  ^notably :j\uvenile cr/ime#                        / 
 5 3   2  260 1 1 n    11  must be ^brought into this :matter as !w\ell# -    / 
 5 3   2  270 1 2 n    11  [@] . ^teddy 'boys and 'girls we 'call them in     / 
 5 3   2  270 1 1 n    11  Br/itain#                                          / 
 5 3   2  280 1 2 n    11  ^they have ex'actly the same [@ @] tr/end {in      / 
 5 3   2  280 1 1 n    11  ^G/ermany#}#                                       / 
 5 3   2  290 1 1 n    11  ^where they are called :halb st/ark# .             / 
 5 3   2  300 1 1 n    11  or ^half matured y/ouths# -                        / 
 5 3   2  310 1 1 n    11  in ^Fr/ance#                                       / 
 5 3   2  320 1 1 n    11  ^brisons n/oirs# -                                 / 
 5 3   2  330 1 1 n    11  ^black j/ackets#                                   / 
 5 3   2  340 1 1 n    11  in Aus^tr/alia#                                    / 
 5 3   2  350 1 1 n    11  the ^boys are known as . "b/odgies#                / 
 5 3   2  360 1 1 n    11  and the ^girls as "w/idgies# .                     / 
 5 3   2  370 1 1 n    11  and it`s ^not [@] confined :only to !Br/\itain#    / 
 5 3   2  380 1 1 n    11  this ^rising . 'tide of !cr\ime# -                 / 
 5 3   2  390 1 1 n    11  ^p\/ersonally#                                     / 
 5 3   2  400 1 1 n    11  I ^think our m\ethods# -                           / 
 5 3   2  410 1 1 n    11  of ^dealing with [dhi @] . :crime w/ave#           / 
 5 3   2  420 1 1 n    11  are ^not \adequate# - -                            / 
 5 3   2  430 1 1 n    11  "^I bel/ieve#                                      / 
 5 3   2  440 1 1 n    11  that [@] . ^murderers should be "h/anged# -        / 
 5 3   3  450 1 1 n    11  pro^vided they`re s/ane of _course# -              / 
 5 3   3  460 1 1 n    11  and [@] that the ^courts sh\ould be emp/owered#    / 
 5 3   3  470 1 2 n    11  ^subject to :certain reser:vations and             / 
 5 3   3  470 1 1 n    11  qualific/ations# .                                 / 
 5 3   3  480 1 1 n    11  in im^p=o{^s=ing#}# .                              / 
 5 3   3  490 1 1 n    11  ^sentences 'of . "!c\orporal p/unishment# -        / 
 5 3   3  500 1 1 n    11  for . "^y\oung males :n/otably# .                  / 
 5 3   3  510 1 2 n    11  ^who`ve been :found guilty of :crimes of :violence / 
 5 3   3  510 1 1 n    11  against the !p\erson# -                            / 
 5 3   3  520 1 1 n    11  ^parad\/oxically# -                                / 
 5 3   3  530 1 1 n    11  [@:] I`m in^f/ormed# -                             / 
 5 3   3  540 1 2 n    11  the ^great ma:jority of the :general !p\ublic      / 
 5 3   3  540 1 1 n    11  support me in these v/iews# -                      / 
 5 3   3  550 1 2 n    11  but I think ^certainly in regard to ":c\orporal    / 
 5 3   3  550 1 1 n    11  p/unishment#                                       / 
 5 3   3  560 1 1 n    11  I ap^pear to be . :one of a mi"!n\/ority# .        / 
 5 3   3  570 1 1 n    11  in ^P\arliament# -                                 / 
 5 3   3  580 1 1 n    11  [@] ^one quick word about . "m\urder# -            / 
 5 3   3  590 1 2 n    11  there ^aren`t m\any _murderers _executed {^in this / 
 5 3   3  590 1 1 n    11  :c\ountry#}# -                                     / 
 5 3   4  600 1 1 n    11  in ^fact in nineteen s/ixty#                       / 
 5 3   4  610 1 1 n    11  there were only ^s\even# .                         / 
 5 3   4  620 1 1 n    11  ^h/anged# -                                        / 
 5 3   4  630 1 1 n    11  and as ^long ago as nineteen th/irty#              / 
 5 3   4  640 1 1 n    11  there were only ^s/ix _hanged# -                   / 
 5 3   4  650 1 1 n    11  it`s ^relatively sm\/all#                          / 
 5 3   4  660 1 2 n    11  ^when one :takes into ac:count the :fact that -    / 
 5 3   4  660 1 1 n    11  [@:] in nineteen s/ixty#                           / 
 5 3   4  670 1 2 n    11  there were ^four hundred and seventy-"!\one murders/ 
 5 3   4  670 1 1 n    11  in :/all# -                                        / 
 5 3   4  680 1 1 n    11  yet out of ^\all that t/otal#                      / 
 5 3   4  690 1 1 n    11  ^only 'seven . were :h\anged#                      / 
 5 3   4  700 1 1 n    11  and in ^nineteen fifty-s/even#                     / 
 5 3   4  710 1 1 n    11  ^Parliament in its w/isdom#                        / 
 5 3   4  720 1 1 n    11  ^passed through the :Homicide /Act#                / 
 5 3   4  730 1 1 n    11  which di"^v\ided the crime of m/urder#             / 
 5 3   4  740 1 1 n    11  under ^two h\eads# -                               / 
 5 3   4  750 1 1 n    11  [@:] into ^capital m/urders# .                     / 
 5 3   4  760 1 1 n    11  and "^n\on-_capital _murders# -                    / 
 5 3   4  770 1 1 n    11  "^n\on-capital _murders of _course#                / 
 5 3   4  780 1 1 n    11  were "^n\ot punishable by the :death s/entence# -  / 
 5 3   4  790 1 2 n    11  and ^only !c\apital _murders {^by [dhi:] . the     / 
 5 3   4  790 1 1 n    11  d\eath _sentence#}#                                / 
 5 3   5  800 1 1 n    11  ^I think that`s "wr/ong# -                         / 
 5 3   5  810 1 2 n    11  and ^I think "!\all murderers . [@] should be      / 
 5 3   5  810 1 1 n    11  h/anged# .                                         / 
 5 3   5  820 1 1 n    11  ^if they`re s\ane# -                               / 
 5 3   5  830 1 1 n    11  in re^gard to c\orporal p/unishment# -             / 
 5 3   5  840 1 1 n    11  ^not only is there :widespread sup:p\ort#          / 
 5 3   5  850 1 2 n    11  in the ^c\ountry . {for the ^views that I`ve       / 
 5 3   5  850 1 1 n    11  expr\essed#}# -                                    / 
 5 3   5  860 1 1 n    11  that [@:] . ^subject to reserv/ations#             / 
 5 3   5  870 1 1 n    11  and ^qualific/ations#                              / 
 5 3   5  880 1 2 n    11  ^corporal punishment !should be imposed by the     / 
 5 3   5  880 1 1 n    11  c/ourts# -                                         / 
 5 3   5  890 1 2 n    11  [@] but ^also [dhi:] - 'last Lord Chief J/ustice   / 
 5 3   5  890 1 1 n    11  {^Lord G/oddard#}# -                               / 
 5 3   5  900 1 2 n    11  [dhi:] . ^present Lord Chief J/ustice {^Lord       / 
 5 3   5  900 1 1 n    11  P/arker#}# -                                       / 
 5 3   5  910 1 1 n    11  have ^both supported . 'that v\iew# -              / 
 5 3   5  920 1 1 n    11  [@:] ^I do "!n\ot bel/ieve#                        / 
 5 3   5  930 1 1 n    11  in . ^indis'criminate flagell/ation# -             / 
 5 3   5  940 1 1 n    11  [@] with^in judicial s\entences# -                 / 
 5 3   6  950 1 1 n    11  but I ^do take the v/iew#                          / 
 5 3   6  960 1 1 n    11  that [@:] . the ^thug is invariably a ":c\oward# - / 
 5 3   6  970 1 2 n    11  he ^generally seems to select an :elderly          / 
 5 3   6  970 1 1 n    11  defenceless w/oman# .                              / 
 5 3   6  980 1 1 n    11  to at^{t\ack} and "!r\ob# -                        / 
 5 3   6  990 1 1 n    11  and in "^m\y exp/erience#                          / 
 5 3   6 1000 1 1 n    11  [dhi:] . ^h\ide of the th/ug#                      / 
 5 3   6 1010 1 1 n    11  is . ^t/ender# -                                   / 
 5 3   6 1020 1 1 n    11  and re^c/eptive# -                                 / 
 5 3   6 1030 1 1 n    11  and I would ^wh/ack him# -                         / 
 5 3   6 1040 1 1 n    11  if he ^does it a second t/ime# -                   / 
 5 3   6 1050 1 1 n    11  ^and . I would !c\/ertainly#                       / 
 5 3   6 1060 1 1 n    11  [dhi:] . ^gr\eater /issue#                         / 
 5 3   6 1070 1 1 n    11  though - "^r\elatively# -                          / 
 5 3   6 1080 1 2 n    11  a ^much smaller :number . of :criminals are        / 
 5 3   6 1080 1 1 n    11  inv/olved# -                                       / 
 5 3   6 1090 1 1 n    11  ^I would hang the :m\urderer# .                    / 
 5 3   6 1100 1 1 n    11  ^those are the views I`ve expr/essed#              / 
 5 3   6 1110 1 1 n    11  in ^P/arliament#                                   / 
 5 3   6 1120 1 1 n    11  in the ^c/ountry#                                  / 
 5 3   6 1130 1 1 n    11  on ^br/oadcasting#                                 / 
 5 3   6 1140 1 1 n    11  and on ^t/elevision# -                             / 
 5 3   6 1150 1 1 n    11  ^they`re the views I still h\ave#                  / 
 5 3   7 1160 1 1 l    11  [n n @] Na^b\arro# .                               / 
 5 3   7 1170 1 2 l    11  [@] - ^this seems to 'me to be . [@:] - a !typical / 
 5 3   7 1170 1 1 l    11  v/iew# .                                           / 
 5 3   7 1180 1 3 l    12  of . ^you . [@:] . of the - ^[w] what I call the   / 
 5 3   7 1180 1 2 l    12  senti:m\entalist [?@] . side of the argument in    / 
 5 3   7 1180 1 1 l    12  :th/is# -                                          / 
 5 3   7 1190 1 1 l    11  you ^start off for instance by ob!j\ecting#        / 
 5 3   7 1200 1 1 l    11  to ^W\illiams`s _use#                              / 
 5 3   7 1210 1 1 l    11  of the ^word . v/iolent# -                         / 
 5 3   7 1220 1 2 l    11  for ^which you would substitute :sterner and more  / 
 5 3   7 1220 1 1 l    11  ro!bust m/easures# -                               / 
 5 3   7 1230 1 1 l    11  in ^actual f\act# .                                / 
 5 3   7 1240 1 1 l    11  ^medical t/estimony#                               / 
 5 3   7 1250 1 1 l    11  has ^said that - [ei] judicial :fl\/ogging# -      / 
 5 3   7 1260 1 1 l    11  [@:] by ^cat o` nine t/ails# .                     / 
 5 3   7 1270 1 1 l    11  and [@] ^b\irching#                                / 
 5 3   7 1280 1 1 l    11  which ^y\ou advo_cate# .                           / 
 5 3   7 1290 1 1 l    11  is ^little . if :any . [@] :less sev/ere# -        / 
 5 3   7 1300 1 1 l    11  ^has the equ\/ivalent# .                           / 
 5 3   7 1310 1 1 l    11  (coughs) of . is the e^qu\/ivalent# .              / 
 5 3   7 1320 1 1 l    11  of a ^major :surgical oper\/ation#                 / 
 5 3   7 1330 1 1 l    11  with^out anaes!th\etic#                            / 
 5 3   7 1340 1 1 l    11  in its ^physical ef:f\ects# .                      / 
 5 3   8 1350 1 1 l    11  so ^I don`t see "wh\y#                             / 
 5 3   8 1360 1 1 l    11  you should ^be so squ\eamish#                      / 
 5 3   8 1370 1 1 l    11  a^bout the use of the word !v\iolent# -            / 
 5 3   8 1380 1 1 l    11  your ^methods are ex!tr\emely v/iolent# -          / 
 5 3   8 1390 1 1 l    11  [@m] - but ^more im:portant than :th\/at# .        / 
 5 3   8 1400 1 1 l    11  *since it`s ^really a matter of no:m\/enclature#*  / 
 5 3   8 1410 1 2 n    12  *^could I 'halt you there* - ^could I halt you     / 
 5 3   8 1410 1 1 n    12  there and answer :that point :f\irst# -            / 
 5 3   8 1420 1 2 n    11  and ^then I`ll pass on to the :s\econd _point {you / 
 5 3   8 1420 1 1 n    11  ^want to :p\ut to _me#}# -                         / 
 5 3   8 1430 1 1 n    11  [@] ^n\o# .                                        / 
 5 3   8 1440 1 1 n    11  I ^d\on`t _think {^v\iolent#}# -                   / 
 5 3   8 1450 1 1 n    11  [@] . I have ^n\ever /advocated# .                 / 
 5 3   8 1460 1 1 n    11  the re^turn of the cat o` "n\ine _tails# .         / 
 5 3   8 1470 1 2 n    11  ^neither do any of my :colleagues in the :H\ouse   / 
 5 3   8 1470 1 1 n    11  _advocate _this# -                                 / 
 5 3   8 1480 1 1 n    11  [@:] the ^cat o` n/ine _tails#                     / 
 5 3   8 1490 1 1 n    11  has been re^{t/ained} by "l/aw# .                  / 
 5 3   9 1500 1 1 n    11  and is ^st/ill {the ^l/aw#}# -                     / 
 5 3   9 1510 1 1 n    11  as . [@:] . a ^s/entence# -                        / 
 5 3   9 1520 1 1 n    11  ^in pr/ison# -                                     / 
 5 3   9 1530 1 2 n    11  [@] ^for . !violent . at:tacks . by :prisoners . on/ 
 5 3   9 1530 1 1 n    11  ":w\arders# -                                      / 
 5 3   9 1540 1 1 n    11  the ^Government has "\always _recognized#          / 
 5 3   9 1550 1 1 n    11  the ^L/abour _Government# -                        / 
 5 3   9 1560 1 1 n    11  of the ^p/ast#                                     / 
 5 3   9 1570 1 1 n    11  as ^w/ell as the T\ory _Government# .              / 
 5 3   9 1580 1 1 n    11  that it ^is . [ei] de"t\errent# -                  / 
 5 3   9 1590 1 1 n    11  in "^v\ery _violent {^c\ases#}# -                  / 
 5 3   9 1600 1 1 n    11  ^\I advoc/ate# -                                   / 
 5 3   9 1610 1 1 n    11  [@:] . a ju^d/icial - {^b/eating#}# -              / 
 5 3   9 1620 1 1 n    11  ^that \is# .                                       / 
 5 3   9 1630 1 1 n    11  the ^use of the c\ane# -                           / 
 5 3   9 1640 1 2 n    11  [@] ^for . !crimes of violence against the         / 
 5 3   9 1640 1 1 n    11  p/erson# -                                         / 
 5 3   9 1650 1 1 n    11  for "^m/ales# .                                    / 
 5 3   9 1660 1 1 n    11  ^up to the age of s/eventeen _years# -             / 
 5 3   9 1670 1 1 n    11  and the ^b/irch# .                                 / 
 5 3   9 1680 1 1 n    11  "^\over _seventeen _years#                         / 
 5 3   9 1690 1 1 n    11  and I do "^n\ot _think#                            / 
 5 3   9 1700 1 1 n    11  that ^either a c/aning# -                          / 
 5 3   9 1710 1 1 n    11  "^{/or a} b/irching# .                             / 
 5 3   9 1720 1 1 n    11  is a ^surgical oper\ation#                         / 
 5 3  10 1730 1 2 l    11  well ^that brings us to [dhi:] . !s\econd half of  / 
 5 3  10 1730 1 1 l    11  what I wanted to s/ay# .                           / 
 5 3  10 1740 1 2 l    11  [@ @ @] . be^cause [@] . that is "!\also           / 
 5 3  10 1740 1 1 l    11  _typical# .                                        / 
 5 3  10 1750 1 1 l    11  of the ^v\iews {of the ^sentim\entalists#}#        / 
 5 3  10 1760 1 1 l    11  on ^th/is# -                                       / 
 5 3  10 1770 1 2 l    11  ^since it is "!not based on :any kind of factual   / 
 5 3  10 1770 1 1 l    11  evidence at /all# .                                / 
 5 3  10 1780 1 1 l    11  ^and ind/eed#                                      / 
 5 3  10 1790 1 1 l    11  ^fl\ies#                                           / 
 5 3  10 1800 1 1 l    11  in the ^f\ace#                                     / 
 5 3  10 1810 1 2 l    11  of the ^very con!siderable body of factual evidence/ 
 5 3  10 1810 1 1 l    11  that ex:\ists# -                                   / 
 5 3  10 1820 1 1 l    11  you "^s\aid#                                       / 
 5 3  10 1830 1 1 l    11  there is ^widespread . sup:p\ort in the c/ountry#  / 
 5 3  10 1840 1 1 l    11  and in^deed I a:gr\ee with _you#                   / 
 5 3  10 1850 1 1 l    11  I`m ^quite sure there :\/is# -                     / 
 5 3  10 1860 1 1 l    11  for the ^views I`ve ex:pr\essed#                   / 
 5 3  10 1870 1 1 l    11  and in ^actual :f\/act#                            / 
 5 3  10 1880 1 1 l    11  you ^haven`t ex:pr\essed _any _views# -            / 
 5 3  10 1890 1 1 l    11  ^what you`ve "s\/aid# .                            / 
 5 3  10 1900 1 1 l    11  ^is that - the !thug is invariably a "c/oward# .   / 
 5 3  11 1910 1 1 l    11  which ^isn`t tr/ue# .                              / 
 5 3  11 1920 1 1 l    11  and the ^evidence is :totally ag/ainst _you# -     / 
 5 3  11 1930 1 1 l    11  and you "^\also _said#                             / 
 5 3  11 1940 1 1 l    11  that . he ^generally att\acks# .                   / 
 5 3  11 1950 1 1 l    11  ^elderly and defenceless !w\omen# -                / 
 5 3  11 1960 1 1 l    11  this ^simply is not "!tr\ue# .                     / 
 5 3  11 1970 1 2 l    11  of "^course there`ve been some :sh\ameful {and     / 
 5 3  11 1970 1 1 l    11  ^dr\eadful _cases#}# .                             / 
 5 3  11 1980 1 1 l    11  of ^old and defenceless women being att/acked# -   / 
 5 3  11 1990 1 2 l    11  the over^whelming ma:jority of 'cases however of   / 
 5 3  11 1990 1 1 l    11  v/iolence# .                                       / 
 5 3  11 2000 1 1 l    11  [@:] ^violent cr/imes# -                           / 
 5 3  11 2010 1 1 l    11  have "^n\ot been of this _nature# -                / 
 5 3  11 2020 1 1 l    11  "^many of them have b/een# .                       / 
 5 3  11 2030 1 1 l    11  of [@] . ^thugs at:tacking one an!\other# -        / 
 5 3  11 2040 1 1 l    11  [@:] . which of course we ^\also de_plore# -       / 
 5 3  11 2050 1 1 l    11  but it`s ^not the sort of th/ing#                  / 
 5 3  11 2060 1 2 l    12  that ^you`ve instances [dh@?dh@?] . ^generally     / 
 5 3  11 2060 1 1 l    12  attack :elderly and defenceless !w\omen# -         / 
 5 3  11 2070 1 1 l    11  you ^s=ee#                                         / 
 5 3  12 2080 1 1 l    11  it ^seems to m\e# .                                / 
 5 3  12 2090 1 1 l    11  [@m] . Na^b/arro#                                  / 
 5 3  12 2100 1 2 l    11  that - [@] ^you people just won`t do your          / 
 5 3  12 2100 1 1 l    11  "!h\omework _properly# -                           / 
 5 3  12 2110 1 1 l    11  the Ad^visory Committee of the :H\ome _Office# .   / 
 5 3  12 2120 1 1 l    11  ^\on corporal p/unishment# .                       / 
 5 3  12 2130 1 1 l    11  ex"^amined this ex"!h\austively# -                 / 
 5 3  12 2140 1 1 l    11  "^several m/embers of _it# .                       / 
 5 3  12 2150 1 1 l    11  who`re by "^n/\o _means#                           / 
 5 3  12 2160 1 2 l    11  [@] . ^social re:formers of the kind you 'might    / 
 5 3  12 2160 1 1 l    11  'possibly look d\own /on# -                        / 
 5 3  12 2170 1 2 l    11  ^were . in . at the be"!g\inning of their          / 
 5 3  12 2170 1 1 l    11  examin_ation of the :/evidence# .                  / 
 5 3  12 2180 1 1 l    11  in "^f\avour of corporal p/unishment# -            / 
 5 3  12 2190 1 1 l    11  ^by the time they`d ex":\amined the /evidence#     / 
 5 3  12 2200 1 1 l    11  which you "^don`t think to have d/one# -           / 
 5 3  12 2210 1 2 l    12  ^they [w@] ^they`d come to the conclusion          / 
 5 3  12 2210 1 1 l    12  un"!\/animously# -                                 / 
 5 3  12 2220 1 1 l    11  that it should "^not be reintro:d\uced# - -        / 
 5 3  13 2230 1 1 n    11  ^w/\ell#                                           / 
 5 3  13 2240 1 2 n    11  [? dhi: @:] - Ad^visory Council to which you       / 
 5 3  13 2240 1 1 n    11  ref/erred# .                                       / 
 5 3  13 2250 1 1 n    11  ex^pressed an o"p\inion# -                         / 
 5 3  13 2260 1 1 n    11  ^I`m expressing an op\/inion#                      / 
 5 3  13 2270 1 1 n    20  that *[i:]*                                        / 
 5 3  13 2280 1 1 l    11  *^they based* it on :f\acts# -                     / 
 5 3  13 2290 1 1 l    12  and ^I`d like "^st\ill want to h/ear#              / 
 5 3  13 2300 1 1 l    11  what ^your 'facts \are# -                          / 
 5 3  13 2310 1 1 l    11  what your "^\evidence /is# .                       / 
 5 3  13 2320 1 1 l    11  for the ^views you`ve expr\essed# .                / 
 5 3  13 2330 1 1 l    11  *which ^so far we haven`t :h\eard#*                / 
 5 3  13 2340 1 2 n    12  *there ^can 'be -* there ^can 'be . "n\o           / 
 5 3  13 2340 1 1 n    12  _evidence# -                                       / 
 5 3  13 2350 1 1 n    11  of a ^tangible ch/aracter# .                       / 
 5 3  13 2360 1 1 n    11  I ^readily adm\it _this# -                         / 
 5 3  13 2370 1 2 n    11  there "^cannot be :any evidence of a :tangible     / 
 5 3  13 2370 1 1 n    11  ch/aracter# -                                      / 
 5 3  13 2380 1 1 n    11  that ^if you inflict . corporal p\unishment# .     / 
 5 3  13 2390 1 1 n    11  with^in the qualifications that I`ve de:f=ined# -  / 
 5 3  14 2400 1 1 n    11  it is ^going to . reform . the th\ug# -            / 
 5 3  14 2410 1 1 n    11  there "^c\annot be _any _evidence {for ^th\at#}# . / 
 5 3  14 2420 1 2 n    11  and the Ad^visory !C\ouncil did _not _find . {^any / 
 5 3  14 2420 1 1 n    11  . \evidence {of ^th\at#}#}# -                      / 
 5 3  14 2430 1 2 n    11  ^what they 'did was to col:lect op/inions and      / 
 5 3  14 2430 1 1 n    11  ":v\oices# -                                       / 
 5 3  14 2440 1 1 n    11  "^m\y op/inion#                                    / 
 5 3  14 2450 1 2 n    11  ^and 'that of a l\arge _number of my _fellow       / 
 5 3  14 2450 1 1 n    11  _countrymen :/is# -                                / 
 5 3  14 2460 1 1 n    11  ^that [@:] - the thug "!\is a _coward# -           / 
 5 3  14 2470 1 1 n    11  the ^t\ype of _case {^you`ve qu\oted#}#            / 
 5 3  14 2480 1 1 n    11  [@:] ^L\evin# -                                    / 
 5 3  14 2490 1 1 n    12  ^of [@:] - "^one thug attacking an:other th/ug# -  / 
 5 3  14 2500 1 1 n    11  ^that is not v\/iolence# .                         / 
 5 3  14 2510 1 1 n    11  in [dhi] ^connot\ation# -                          / 
 5 3  14 2520 1 1 n    11  ^we`re disc/ussing this !\evening# -               / 
 5 3  14 2530 2 1 n    22  *^one one thug* .                                  / 
 5 3  14 2540 1 2 l    11  you *^wouldn`t ((punish it with)) corporal         / 
 5 3  14 2540 1 1 l    11  :p\unishment#*                                     / 
 5 3  15 2550 1 1 l    20  ((then))                                           / 
 5 3  15 2530 1 1(n    12  ^one th/ug# -                                      / 
 5 3  15 2560 1 1 n    11  at^tacking an'other th/ug# .                       / 
 5 3  15 2570 1 1 n    11  is a ^question of !gang "w\arfare#                 / 
 5 3  15 2580 1 1 l    11  ^not necess\/arily#                                / 
 5 3  15 2590 1 1 w    11  (coughs) ^Mr Na:b\arro#                            / 
 5 3  15 2600 1 2 w    11  we "^are discussing after all :certain reforms in  / 
 5 3  15 2600 1 1 w    11  the :l\aw# -                                       / 
 5 3  15 2610 1 1 w    11  now there is a ^class of :cr\imes# -               / 
 5 3  15 2620 1 1 w    11  in . ^recognized by the British l/aw# -            / 
 5 3  15 2630 1 1 w    11  which ^/are# -                                     / 
 5 3  15 2640 1 1 w    11  [@:] . which ^{/are} t/ermed#                      / 
 5 3  15 2650 1 1 w    11  [dh] - ^acts of violence against the !p\erson# -   / 
 5 3  15 2660 1 1 w    11  and I "^t\ake it#                                  / 
 5 3  15 2670 1 1 w    11  that ^your - [@:] - act/ivities# .                 / 
 5 3  15 2680 1 2 w    11  ^must be directed to :some legally defined class of/ 
 5 3  15 2680 1 1 w    11  :cr\ime#                                           / 
 5 3  15 2690 1 1 n    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  15 2700 1 1(w    11  ^n\ow# .                                           / 
 5 3  15 2710 1 1 w    11  of ^c\ourse# .                                     / 
 5 3  15 2720 1 1 w    11  in"^cluded in this class of cr/imes# .             / 
 5 3  16 2730 1 1 w    11  "^are as m\uch# .                                  / 
 5 3  16 2740 1 2 w    11  ^instances of ma:licious wounding of :one thug or  / 
 5 3  16 2740 1 1 w    11  'young man by an"!other thug or :young m/an# -     / 
 5 3  16 2750 1 2 w    11  ^as there are . of . [@:] . any defenceless - old  / 
 5 3  16 2750 1 1 w    11  !l\adies# -                                        / 
 5 3  16 2760 1 1 w    11  as a ^matter of :f\/act# .                         / 
 5 3  16 2770 1 1 w    11  you ^have a certain :d\ifficulty in the f/act#     / 
 5 3  16 2780 1 1 w    11  that there`s ^\also included in this cl/ass# .     / 
 5 3  16 2790 1 1 w    11  a ^lot of !\other _things# .                       / 
 5 3  16 2800 1 1 w    11  such as pro^curing ab/ortion# -                    / 
 5 3  16 2810 1 1 w    11  and . en^dangering a ship at !s\ea# .              / 
 5 3  16 2820 1 2 w    11  but we ^won`t worry about - the :small point about / 
 5 3  16 2820 1 1 w    11  !th\is# -                                          / 
 5 3  16 2830 1 2 w    11  I ^think . what I ":would like to take you /up on  / 
 5 3  16 2830 1 1 w    11  is !th\is# -                                       / 
 5 3  16 2840 1 1 w    11  I mean we have "^tw\o factual questions h/ere#     / 
 5 3  16 2850 1 1 w    11  ^one is about what sort of :crimes are comm/itted# / 
 5 3  16 2860 1 1 w    11  and I en^t\irely agree with L/evin#                / 
 5 3  17 2870 1 1 w    11  I ^think ((that)) it`s quite cl\ear#               / 
 5 3  17 2880 1 1 w    11  that they "^\aren`t _all# -                        / 
 5 3  17 2890 1 1 w    11  di^rected or :even . [in . @] . at "!\all#         / 
 5 3  17 2900 1 2 w    11  a ma"^j\ority directed towards the defenceless old / 
 5 3  17 2900 1 1 w    11  ladies you m/ention# -                             / 
 5 3  17 2910 1 2 w    11  ((but it)) ^seems to me the more im!m\ediate _issue/ 
 5 3  17 2910 1 1 w    11  of _fact# -                                        / 
 5 3  17 2920 1 1 w    11  is "^th\is# - -                                    / 
 5 3  17 2930 1 1 w    11  "^you s/ay#                                        / 
 5 3  17 2940 1 2 w    11  that ^this is a question to which there :can in the/ 
 5 3  17 2940 1 1 w    11  nature of things 'be :no !\evidence# -             / 
 5 3  17 2950 1 2 w    11  ^and that the . Advisory Council at the Home       / 
 5 3  17 2950 1 1 w    11  /Office#                                           / 
 5 3  17 2960 1 1 w    11  "^f\ound _no _such _evidence#                      / 
 5 3  17 2970 1 2 n    11  ^well I :said they col!lected voices . and         / 
 5 3  17 2970 1 1 n    11  o:p\inions#                                        / 
 5 3  17 2980 1 2 w    11  but ^this is 'not en'tirely "!!tr\ue {Mr           / 
 5 3  17 2980 1 1 w    11  Na^b\arro#}# .                                     / 
 5 3  17 2990 1 1 w    11  because *^what they :/\also col_lected#*           / 
 5 3  18 3000 1 1 n    20  *((sylls))*                                        / 
 5 3  18 3010 1 1(w    11  were a "^l/\arge _number of stat_istics# -         / 
 5 3  18 3020 1 1 w    11  a^bout - [@: - dhi:] . in :fact . !\incidence# -   / 
 5 3  18 3030 1 1 w    11  ^/\of - {^cr\imes . {of ^v\iolence#}#}# -          / 
 5 3  18 3040 1 1 w    11  of the ^kind you are /interested ((in))# -         / 
 5 3  18 3050 1 1 w    11  "^in relation to the existence or :n\on-existence# / 
 5 3  18 3060 1 1 w    11  in ^v\arious pl/aces#                              / 
 5 3  18 3070 1 1 w    11  at ^v\arious t/imes# .                             / 
 5 3  18 3080 1 2 w    11  of the . al^leged deterrent of corporal            / 
 5 3  18 3080 1 1 w    11  !p\unishment# -                                    / 
 5 3  18 3090 1 1 w    11  ^now !what they f\/ound#                           / 
 5 3  18 3100 1 2 w    11  and ^this isn`t a question of a lot of             / 
 5 3  18 3100 1 1 w    11  psychiatrists getting up and voicing their v/iews# / 
 5 3  18 3110 1 1 w    11  ^this is a question of "blunt ":f\act# -           / 
 5 3  18 3120 1 1 w    11  ^what !they found :w/as#                           / 
 5 3  18 3130 1 2 w    11  that it ^didn`t 'make a 'damn 'bit of              / 
 5 3  18 3130 1 1 w    11  !d\ifference# -                                    / 
 5 3  18 3140 1 1 w    11  in ^f\act# -                                       / 
 5 3  18 3150 1 1 w    11  [@] . in ^certain c/ases#                          / 
 5 3  18 3160 1 2 w    11  in the ^matter of . :people - com:mitting . :crimes/ 
 5 3  18 3160 1 1 w    11  a:g/ain# -                                         / 
 5 3  19 3170 1 1 w    11  as you ^w\ell know in this rep/ort#                / 
 5 3  19 3180 1 1 w    11  at least we ^h\ope you know in this rep/ort# -     / 
 5 3  19 3190 1 1 w    11  ^they disc=overed# -                               / 
 5 3  19 3200 1 2 w    11  that in the ma^jority of cases exactly the         / 
 5 3  19 3200 1 1 w    11  re!v\erse _happened#                               / 
 5 3  19 3210 1 2 w    11  ^that is there`s a :rather "!gr\eater tendency for / 
 5 3  19 3210 1 1 w    11  people to commit crimes a:g/ain# -                 / 
 5 3  19 3220 1 1 w    11  ^\after they`d been fl/ogged#                      / 
 5 3  19 3230 1 1 w    11  than ^when they h\adn`t#                           / 
 5 3  19 3240 1 1 n    11  ^well now !what do you mean be fl\ogged#           / 
 5 3  19 3250 1 1 w    11  [@] ^b\/eaten# .                                   / 
 5 3  19 3260 1 1 w    11  but "^with the b=irch# -                           / 
 5 3  19 3270 1 2 w    12  which ^was . [@:] - ^or - by [dhi:] - cat o` nine  / 
 5 3  19 3270 1 1 w    12  tails :\either# .                                  / 
 5 3  19 3280 1 1 w    11  ^either *((of)) the r\ight#*                       / 
 5 3  19 3290 1 1 n    11  *[je] now* - you`re ^going . too f/ar#             / 
 5 3  19 3300 1 1 n    11  and ^too f\ast for _me# -                          / 
 5 3  19 3310 1 1 n    11  ^let me d\eal# .                                   / 
 5 3  19 3320 1 1 n    11  ^first of all with your point about the ":sc\ope# -/ 
 5 3  20 3330 1 1 n    11  ^of [dhi:] - !c\ategory# .                         / 
 5 3  20 3340 1 1 n    11  ^crimes . of violence against the :p\erson# -      / 
 5 3  20 3350 1 1 n    11  ^yes it is 'perfectly !tr\ue#                      / 
 5 3  20 3360 1 1 n    11  that it in^cludes those [@: . @] :m\arginal c/ases#/ 
 5 3  20 3370 1 1 n    11  that ^you`ve re!f\erred to# -                      / 
 5 3  20 3380 1 1 n    11  "^b\ut# - -                                        / 
 5 3  20 3390 1 1 n    13  *^these ^these . ^w/ait# .                         / 
 5 3  20 3400 1 1 n    11  ^let me just f/inish#*                             / 
 5 3  20 3410 1 1 l    11  *ex^c\use _me#                                     / 
 5 3  20 3420 1 1 l    11  "^y\our _point# .                                  / 
 5 3  20 3430 1 1 l    11  ^your "!y\our _case#*                              / 
 5 3  20 3440 1 2 l    11  is an ex^ample of the cases of the "!m\arginal     / 
 5 3  20 3440 1 1 l    11  _ones#                                             / 
 5 3  20 3450 1 1 l    11  *^((that is the)) point :\I`m trying to m/ake#*    / 
 5 3  20 3460 1 2(n    14  *^let me . ^let me . ^let me .* ^let me just       / 
 5 3  20 3460 1 1(n    14  f\inish# -                                         / 
 5 3  20 3470 1 1 n    11  [@] . ^this c\ategory#                             / 
 5 3  20 3480 1 1 n    11  ^crimes of violence against the p\erson#           / 
 5 3  20 3490 1 1 n    11  has "^/\always {in^cl\uded#}# .                    / 
 5 3  20 3500 1 1 n    11  the ^{wh\ole} !br\eadth {^of these cr\imes#}# .    / 
 5 3  21 3510 1 1 n    11  they ^haven`t changed the :b\asis# -               / 
 5 3  21 3520 1 1 n    11  or the ^r\ules#                                    / 
 5 3  21 3530 1 1 n    20  *((for this sylls))*                               / 
 5 3  21 3540 1 1 l    11  *^no a"!g/\ain you _see#*                          / 
 5 3  21 3550 1 1 l    11  ^this is 'simply 'un!!tr\ue#                       / 
 5 3  21 3560 1 1 l    11  ^you will "not 'study the "!\evidence#             / 
 5 3  21 3570 1 1 l    11  *- - ^not since !eighteen sixty-\/one#* .          / 
 5 3  21 3580 1 1 n    11  *[@] . ^Mr . !L\evin# .                            / 
 5 3  21 3590 1 1 n    11  Mr ^L\evin# .                                      / 
 5 3  21 3600 1 1 n    21  ^that is !quite*                                   / 
 5 3  21 3610 1 1(l    11  ex^actly a hundred years a:g\/o# -                 / 
 5 3  21 3620 1 1 l    11  have "^any cr/imes# .                              / 
 5 3  21 3630 1 1 l    11  ^in pr/actice# .                                   / 
 5 3  21 3640 1 2 l    11  been ^punishable by [f] by . by ju:dicial          / 
 5 3  21 3640 1 1 l    11  :b\/eating#                                        / 
 5 3  21 3650 1 1 l    11  ^in this c/ountry# -                               / 
 5 3  21 3660 1 1 l    11  ex^cept the "!\one off/ence# .                     / 
 5 3  21 3670 1 1 l    11  *of ^r/obbery with v\iolence#*                     / 
 5 3  21 3680 1 1 n    11  *^I will d/eal#* -                                 / 
 5 3  21 3690 1 1 n    11  ^I will d/eal#                                     / 
 5 3  21 3700 1 1 n    11  with ^that "!n\ow# - -                             / 
 5 3  21 3710 1 1 n    11  in ^nineteen forty-/eight# -                       / 
 5 3  21 3720 1 1 n    11  ju^dicial beating - was a"b\olished#               / 
 5 3  22 3730 1 1 l    11  ^y\es# - -                                         / 
 5 3  22 3740 1 1 n    11  we`re a^greed on th\at# .                          / 
 5 3  22 3750 1 1 l    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  22 3760 1 1 n    11  I`ll ^take nineteen forty-eight as :my b\ase# -    / 
 5 3  22 3770 1 1 n    11  and ^these figures come :\out of# -                / 
 5 3  22 3780 1 1 n    11  the re^port of the Advisory Comm/ittee#            / 
 5 3  22 3790 1 2 n    11  and were sub^mitted to me ":b\y the Home           / 
 5 3  22 3790 1 1 n    11  S/ecretary#                                        / 
 5 3  22 3800 1 1 n    11  ^only forty-eight hours a:g\o# -                   / 
 5 3  22 3810 1 1 n    11  so they ^must be the corr\ect _figures# - -        / 
 5 3  22 3820 1 1 n    11  be^tween nineteen forty-/eight# -                  / 
 5 3  22 3830 1 2 n    11  and the ^last collected statistics which are for   / 
 5 3  22 3830 1 1 n    11  :nineteen fifty-n\ine# - -                         / 
 5 3  22 3840 1 2 n    11  the ^increase in :crimes of :violence a:gainst the / 
 5 3  22 3840 1 1 n    11  p/erson# .                                         / 
 5 3  22 3850 1 1 n    11  was a^bout !f/ive t\imes# - -                      / 
 5 3  22 3860 1 1 n    11  in the ^case /of# -                                / 
 5 3  22 3870 1 1 n    11  ^m\ales# .                                         / 
 5 3  22 3880 1 1 n    11  ^\under _seventeen# - -                            / 
 5 3  22 3890 1 1 n    11  the ^/incr\ease# - -                               / 
 5 3  23 3900 1 1 n    11  between ^nineteen forty-\eight# .                  / 
 5 3  23 3910 1 2 n    11  and ^nineteen fifty-n\ine . {for ^crimes of        / 
 5 3  23 3910 1 1 n    11  :violence a'gainst the :p\erson#}# -               / 
 5 3  23 3920 1 1 n    11  for ^m\ales#                                       / 
 5 3  23 3930 1 1 n    11  ^seventeen and 'under twenty-/one# -               / 
 5 3  23 3940 1 1 n    11  was ^nearly :six t/imes# - -                       / 
 5 3  23 3950 1 1 n    11  the ^increase between :twenty-/one# -              / 
 5 3  23 3960 1 1 n    11  ^and . "!thirty years of age for m/en# .           / 
 5 3  23 3970 1 1 n    11  was a"^bout two and a :h\alf _times# -             / 
 5 3  23 3980 1 1 n    11  I`m "^perfectly well aware of the f/act#           / 
 5 3  23 3990 1 1 n    11  that be^fore nineteen - :forty-/eight# *.*         / 
 5 3  23 4000 1 1 ?    20  *(coughs)*                                         / 
 5 3  23 4010 1 1(n    11  - "^only r\obbery with v/iolence#                  / 
 5 3  23 4020 1 1 n    11  could be ^p\unished# -                             / 
 5 3  23 4030 1 1 n    11  ^by b\eating# - -                                  / 
 5 3  23 4040 1 1 n    11  "^m\y view /is# -                                  / 
 5 3  23 4050 1 1 n    11  and ^that of \all my c/olleagues# -                / 
 5 3  23 4060 1 1 n    11  and "^w\idespread _public o_pinion# .              / 
 5 3  23 4070 1 1 n    11  ^my 'view \is# -                                   / 
 5 3  23 4080 1 1 n    11  that in ^v/iew \of# .                              / 
 5 3  23 4090 1 1 n    11  [dhi] "^gr/eat \increase# .                        / 
 5 3  23 4100 1 1 n    11  in ^crimes of :v\iolence# .                        / 
 5 3  23 4110 1 1 n    11  a^gainst the p/erson# -                            / 
 5 3  24 4120 1 2 n    11  ^beating . "!\ought to _be - {^for a 'second .     / 
 5 3  24 4120 1 1 n    11  of'fence . :imp\osed#}# -                          / 
 5 3  24 4130 1 1 n    21  *^and I th/ink*                                    / 
 5 3  24 4140 1 1 l    11  but ^not *'just robbery* with :v\iolence#          / 
 5 3  24 4150 1 1 n    11  "^n/\ot just _robbery *with _violence#             / 
 5 3  24 4160 1 1 n    21  for ^/all*                                         / 
 5 3  24 4170 1 2 w    11  *in ^other words :you want to go back* to the .    / 
 5 3  24 4170 1 1 w    11  :eighteen sixty-:\one po_sition#                   / 
 5 3  24 4180 1 1 n    11  I ^want to go back to a p\osition#                 / 
 5 3  24 4190 1 1 n    11  whereby ^[ei] !c/ourt# .                           / 
 5 3  24 4200 1 1 n    11  with^in its dis"!cr\etion# -                       / 
 5 3  24 4210 1 2 n    11  which is ^not o"bl\igatory {Mr ^W\illiams {as      / 
 5 3  24 4210 1 1 n    11  you((`ve)) sug^g\ested#}#}# -                      / 
 5 3  24 4220 1 1 n    11  ^[ei] c\/ourt#                                     / 
 5 3  24 4230 1 1 n    11  with^in its dis!cr\/etion# -                       / 
 5 3  24 4240 1 1 n    11  ^may imp/ose# .                                    / 
 5 3  24 4250 1 1 n    11  ^[ei] jud/icial {^b/eating#}#                      / 
 5 3  24 4260 1 1 n    11  for a ^s/\econd of_fence#                          / 
 5 3  24 4270 1 1 n    11  or ^/over# -                                       / 
 5 3  24 4280 1 1 n    11  and ^if I might say so at :th\is _stage# .         / 
 5 3  24 4290 1 1 n    11  ^that is only ":\one# -                            / 
 5 3  24 4300 1 1 n    11  ^\of# .                                            / 
 5 3  24 4310 1 1 n    11  the ^s\entences# .                                 / 
 5 3  25 4320 1 1 n    11  ^it may imp\ose . *{^on a young male p\erson#}#* - / 
 5 3  25 4330 1 1 w    11  *^y/es of c\ourse#                                 / 
 5 3  25 4340 1 1 w    11  we a^gree ((th\ere))# -                            / 
 5 3  25 4350 1 1 l    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 3  25 4360 1 2(n    11  ^/\I`m _not {^qu\arrelling with the {^Home         / 
 5 3  25 4360 1 1(n    11  S\ecretary`s#}#}# -                                / 
 5 3  25 4370 1 1 n    11  [@: - @] "^graduated :sc\ale - {of ^tr\eatment#}# -/ 
 5 3  25 4380 1 2 n    11  I be"^l/\ieve in . {pro^b\ation for a _first       / 
 5 3  25 4380 1 1 n    11  of_fence#}# .                                      / 
 5 3  25 4390 1 2 n    11  I be^l/\ieve that {^b\oys _under _twenty-_one#     / 
 5 3  25 4390 1 1 n    11  should ^not be sent to pr\ison#}# -                / 
 5 3  25 4400 1 2 n    11  I be^l/\ieve {in the re^formative \influences {of  / 
 5 3  25 4400 1 1 n    11  an ap^proved sch\ool#}#}# -                        / 
 5 3  25 4410 1 1 n    11  I be^l/\ieve {in ^Borstal tr\eatment#}# -          / 
 5 3  25 4420 1 2 n    11  I be^l/\ieve {in de^tention c\entres# - or ^gl\ass / 
 5 3  25 4420 1 1 n    11  _houses {as they were ^c\alled in the _army#}#}# - / 
 5 3  25 4430 1 1 n    11  but ^what I say \is# -                             / 
 5 3  26 4440 1 1 n    11  that with the "^v/iolent "y\oung _thug# -          / 
 5 3  26 4450 1 1 n    11  who ^does this a s\econd _time# -                  / 
 5 3  26 4460 1 1 n    11  ^h\/e# .                                           / 
 5 3  26 4470 1 1 n    11  within dis^cr/etion of the {^c/ourts#}# - -        / 
 5 3  26 4480 1 1 n    11  "^ought to b/e# -                                  / 
 5 3  26 4490 1 1 n    11  ^b/eaten# -                                        / 
 5 3  26 4500 2 1 n    21  *be^cause it`s*                                    / 
 5 3  26 4510 2 1 w    22  *^yes . but :Mr*                                   / 
 5 3  26 4500 1 1(n    11  such a 'powerful de'terrent to +:\others#+         / 
 5 3  26 4510 1 1(w    12  +but+ . ^Mr Nab\arro#                              / 
 5 3  26 4520 1 2 w    11  the ^only way of dec/\iding {^whether it`s a       / 
 5 3  26 4520 1 1 w    11  powerful det\errent#}# -                           / 
 5 3  26 4530 1 1 w    11  is by ^looking at 'what has h\/appened# .          / 
 5 3  26 4540 1 1 w    11  ^in the !cases to which it :has in the p/ast#      / 
 5 3  26 4550 1 1 w    11  been ap"^pl\ied# .                                 / 
 5 3  26 4560 1 1 w    11  we "^take your p\oint# -                           / 
 5 3  26 4570 1 2 w    11  that you ^wish to extend it to a :range of         / 
 5 3  26 4570 1 1 w    11  of:f\/ences# .                                     / 
 5 3  26 4580 1 2 w    11  to which it ^hasn`t been ap:plied since eighteen   / 
 5 3  26 4580 1 1 w    11  sixty-:\one# -                                     / 
 5 3  26 4590 1 1 w    11  "^our point is !th\is# -                           / 
 5 3  27 4600 1 2 w    11  that ^when you look at the of:fences to which it   / 
 5 3  27 4600 1 1 w    11  "!w\as appl/ied# -                                 / 
 5 3  27 4610 1 1 w    11  ^prior to [no:?] nineteen forty-\eight# .          / 
 5 3  27 4620 1 1 w    11  and ^not s/ince#                                   / 
 5 3  27 4630 1 1 n    11  ^robbery with v\iolence#                           / 
 5 3  27 4640 1 1 w    11  "^robbery with :v\iolence . _namely# -             / 
 5 3  27 4650 1 1 w    11  ^if you l\ook# .                                   / 
 5 3  27 4660 1 1 w    11  at the ^totals . of :floggable of:f\/ences# .      / 
 5 3  27 4670 1 2 w    11  that is of^fences which between :eighteen sixty-one/ 
 5 3  27 4670 1 1 w    11  and nineteen forty-\eight#                         / 
 5 3  27 4680 1 1 w    11  "^w/ere p\unishable# .                             / 
 5 3  27 4690 1 1 w    11  "^by judicial b\eating# -                          / 
 5 3  27 4700 1 1 w    11  you dis^c/over# .                                  / 
 5 3  27 4710 1 1 w    11  a ^very remarkable f\act# -                        / 
 5 3  27 4720 1 1 w    11  ^n\amely#                                          / 
 5 3  27 4730 1 1 w    11  that ^when it was a:b\olished# .                   / 
 5 3  27 4740 1 1 w    11  in . ^nineteen forty-:\eight# -                    / 
 5 3  27 4750 1 1 w    11  the ^number of these cr\imes#                      / 
 5 3  27 4760 1 1 w    11  con^tinuously de:cr\eased# -                       / 
 5 3  27 4770 1 2 w    11  and that ^even in the year :nineteen               / 
 5 3  27 4770 1 1 w    11  fifty-!s\even# -                                   / 
 5 3  28 4780 1 1 w    11  the ^total 'of them was "!l\ower# -                / 
 5 3  28 4790 1 1 w    11  than it ^was in nineteen forty-!\eight#            / 
 5 3  28 4800 1 1 n    11  that`s ^robbery with v\iolence#                    / 
 5 3  28 4810 1 1 w    11  [@:] this is "^robbery with v/iolence# .           / 
 5 3  28 4820 1 2 w    12  which ^is of course [dhi:] . and ^this is the point/ 
 5 3  28 4820 1 1 w    12  I`m trying to :\emphasize# -                       / 
 5 3  28 4830 1 1 w    11  the "^/\only of_fence# .                           / 
 5 3  28 4840 1 2 w    11  in re^spect of 'which the de'terrent ef'fect **.** / 
 5 3  28 4840 1 1 w    11  of this 'punishment in !this c/ountry#             / 
 5 3  28 4850 1 1 w    11  ^c/an be *!!t\ested#*                              / 
 5 3  28 4860 1 1 n    12  **may** *^may* . ^n/\ow _may I# .                  / 
 5 3  28 4870 1 1 n    11  ^may I !h\alt _you# -                              / 
 5 3  28 4880 1 1 n    11  but ^/\also _in that _period# .                    / 
 5 3  28 4890 1 1 n    11  between ^nineteen forty-/eight# -                  / 
 5 3  28 4900 1 1 n    11  ^\and# .                                           / 
 5 3  28 4910 1 1 n    11  ^nineteen fifty-!n\ine# -                          / 
 5 3  28 4920 1 1 n    11  ^cr/imes# .                                        / 
 5 3  28 4930 1 1 n    11  of ^v\/iolence# .                                  / 
 5 3  28 4940 1 1 n    11  e"^n/\ormously#                                    / 
 5 3  28 4950 1 1 n    11  in^cr\/eased# .                                    / 
 5 3  28 4960 1 1 n    11  ^as I`ve !d\emonstrated#                           / 
 5 3  29 4970 1 1 n    20  *- ((but I))*                                      / 
 5 3  29 4980 1 1 w    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  29 4990 1 1 w    21  Mr *Na+^barro*+                                    / 
 5 3  29 5000 1 1 l    11  +((you ^can`t))+ put that d\own# .                 / 
 5 3  29 5010 1 1 l    11  to the ^abol!\ition#                               / 
 5 3  29 5020 1 1 l    11  of . ^corporal p/unishment# *.*                    / 
 5 3  29 5030 1 1 ?    20  *(coughs)*                                         / 
 5 3  29 5040 1 1(l    11  which was ^not ap!pl\/icable#                      / 
 5 3  29 5050 1 1 l    11  to ^those !cr/\imes#                               / 
 5 3  29 5060 1 1 n    11  ^Mr . :L/\evin# .                                  / 
 5 3  29 5070 1 1 n    11  ^on the !c/\ontrary# -                             / 
 5 3  29 5080 1 1 n    11  that is ^not [@:] . that is not !l/\ogical# -      / 
 5 3  29 5090 1 1 n    11  ^y/our c\ase {of a de^t\errent#}# -                / 
 5 3  29 5100 1 2 n    11  it was ^robbery with :violence be":f\ore nineteen  / 
 5 3  29 5100 1 1 n    11  forty-/eight# -                                    / 
 5 3  29 5110 1 2 n    11  I ^wish to apply to "!\all _crimes {of ^violence   / 
 5 3  29 5110 1 1 n    11  against the p\erson#}# -                           / 
 5 3  29 5120 1 1 n    11  "^I be:l\/ieve# .                                  / 
 5 3  29 5130 1 1 n    11  that the ^\incidence#                              / 
 5 3  29 5140 1 1 n    11  this - "^huge \increase# -                         / 
 5 3  29 5150 1 1 n    11  of ^cr\imes . {of ^v\iolence#}# .                  / 
 5 3  30 5160 1 1 n    11  a^g\ainst {the ^p\erson#}# -                       / 
 5 3  30 5170 1 1 n    11  would sub^st\/antially#                            / 
 5 3  30 5180 1 1 n    11  have been dim"^\inished# -                         / 
 5 3  30 5190 1 1 n    11  be^cause of the ef!fect . 'of the de:t\errent# -   / 
 5 3  30 5200 1 1 n    11  that ^would have been :\offered# -                 / 
 5 3  30 5210 1 1 n    11  ^had c\ourts#                                      / 
 5 3  30 5220 1 1 n    11  been ^able t\o# - -                                / 
 5 3  30 5230 1 1 n    11  ^imp\ose# -                                        / 
 5 3  30 5240 1 1 n    11  a *^sentence . of ju:d\icial# .                    / 
 5 3  30 5250 1 1 n    11  ^p\unishment#*                                     / 
 5 3  30 5260 1 1 l    11  *((from ^what !I was s\aying#)) -                  / 
 5 3  30 5270 1 1 l    11  ^what* you are !s\aying th/en# .                   / 
 5 3  30 5280 1 1 l    11  ^is that !you bel\/ieve# .                         / 
 5 3  30 5290 1 1 l    11  that - the ^abol:\/ition#                          / 
 5 3  30 5300 1 1 l    11  of ^corporal p\unishment#                          / 
 5 3  30 5310 1 1 l    11  for the [sei?] "^sole off\ence# .                  / 
 5 3  30 5320 1 1 l    11  for ^which it . :could be ap:pl\/ied#              / 
 5 3  30 5330 1 1 l    11  ^up to nineteen forty-:\/eight# - -                / 
 5 3  30 5340 1 2 l    12  ^had an . ^had an . [@] . an effect to             / 
 5 3  30 5340 1 1 l    12  "!\increase# .                                     / 
 5 3  30 5350 1 1 l    11  ^crimes of v\/iolence# -                           / 
 5 3  30 5360 1 2 l    11  which were "^n\ot {^previously p\unishable# by .   / 
 5 3  30 5360 1 1 l    11  ^((b\y it))#}# .                                   / 
 5 3  31 5370 1 1 l    11  and ^you call !me il!l\ogical#                     / 
 5 3  31 5380 1 1 n    11  *^n\o# .                                           / 
 5 3  31 5390 1 1 n    11  I* "^don`t ((th/ink so at \all))#                  / 
 5 3  31 5400 1 1 l    21  *now ^Mr [n@]*                                     / 
 5 3  31 5410 1 1 w    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 3  31 5420 1 1(n    11  ^let me d\eal with _this# -                        / 
 5 3  31 5430 1 1 n    11  be^cause it`s !perfectly :l\ogical# - -            / 
 5 3  31 5440 1 1 n    11  ^when a crime of :v\iolence# .                     / 
 5 3  31 5450 1 1 n    11  ^is . [@:] . con:d\ucted# .                        / 
 5 3  31 5460 1 1 n    11  a^g\ainst# .                                       / 
 5 3  31 5470 1 1 n    11  ^[ei] !p\erson# -                                  / 
 5 3  31 5480 1 1 n    11  ^or . com!m\itted# .                               / 
 5 3  31 5490 1 1 n    11  a^g\ainst#                                         / 
 5 3  31 5500 1 1 n    11  a ^p\erson# - -                                    / 
 5 3  31 5510 1 1 n    11  [dhi:] - di^v\iding l/ine# .                       / 
 5 3  31 5520 1 1 n    11  as to whether ^robbery follows or :n\ot# -         / 
 5 3  31 5530 1 1 n    11  is ^very n\arrow# - -                              / 
 5 3  31 5540 1 1 n    11  a ^man who goes \out# -                            / 
 5 3  31 5550 1 2 n    11  with a ^loaded :g\un in his _pocket - {to          / 
 5 3  31 5550 1 1 n    11  ^r\ob#}# - -                                       / 
 5 3  31 5560 1 1 n    11  does "^not . very :\often# -                       / 
 5 3  31 5570 1 1 n    11  so the ^/\evidence# -                              / 
 5 3  32 5580 1 1 n    11  sug^g\ests# -                                      / 
 5 3  32 5590 1 1 n    11  pre"^m\editatedly# .                               / 
 5 3  32 5600 1 1 n    11  ^carry that g\/un# -                               / 
 5 3  32 5610 1 1 n    11  in ^order to !m\urder# - -                         / 
 5 3  32 5620 1 1 n    11  but he ^m\ay _murder# -                            / 
 5 3  32 5630 1 1 l    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 3  32 5640 1 1(n    11  - be^cause he com!mits the :cr\/ime# .             / 
 5 3  32 5650 1 1 n    11  there may ^be . a re:s/istance# -                  / 
 5 3  32 5660 1 1 l    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 3  32 5670 1 1(n    11  to the ^r/obbery# -                                / 
 5 3  32 5680 1 1 n    11  and he ^uses the g\un# - -                         / 
 5 3  32 5690 1 1 n    11  and . the ^point I`m trying to m/\ake to _you#     / 
 5 3  32 5700 1 1 n    11  ^\/is# -                                           / 
 5 3  32 5710 1 1 n    11  that ^I th\ink# -                                  / 
 5 3  32 5720 1 1 n    11  that if ^young 'male 'thug kn/\ew# -               / 
 5 3  32 5730 1 1 n    11  that . ^if they !d\id these dreadful th/ings# -    / 
 5 3  32 5740 1 1 n    11  they "^m\ight# - -                                 / 
 5 3  32 5750 1 1 n    11  ^finish \up# -                                     / 
 5 3  32 5760 1 1 n    11  with ^having their :trousers taken d=own# -        / 
 5 3  32 5770 1 1 n    11  and their ^backsides b/irched# -                   / 
 5 3  33 5780 1 2 n    11  and the humili^ation and the p/\ain - {^of         / 
 5 3  33 5780 1 1 n    11  th\at#}# -                                         / 
 5 3  33 5790 1 1 n    11  "^would /act# .                                    / 
 5 3  33 5800 1 1 n    11  in "^m\y v/iew# -                                  / 
 5 3  33 5810 1 1 n    11  and I`m ex^pressing a :p\ersonal op/inion# -       / 
 5 3  33 5820 1 1 n    11  ^as [ei] {:p\owerful} . de":t\errent# -            / 
 5 3  33 5830 2 1 n    21  *there*                                            / 
 5 3  33 5840 1 1 l    11  *^but you :s=ee#*                                  / 
 5 3  33 5830 1 1(n    11  is ^n/othing#                                      / 
 5 3  33 5850 1 1 n    11  il^logical about :th\at#                           / 
 5 3  33 5860 1 1 n    20  *((sylls))*                                        / 
 5 3  33 5870 1 1 w    11  *but ^Mr Nab/\arro#*                               / 
 5 3  33 5880 1 1 w    11  we "^know that you be:l/\ieve _this#               / 
 5 3  33 5890 1 1 l    11  ^qu\ite#                                           / 
 5 3  33 5900 1 1(w    11  the ^str/\ange _fact _is#                          / 
 5 3  33 5910 1 2 w    11  that you ^still haven`t given us a !r\eason _for   / 
 5 3  33 5910 1 1 w    11  it#                                                / 
 5 3  33 5920 1 1 w    11  the ^only reason you`ve :g\iven f/or _us# .        / 
 5 3  33 5930 1 2 w    11  [i] ^is . if I !may spell it :out to you once      / 
 5 3  33 5930 1 1 w    11  :m\ore# -                                          / 
 5 3  33 5940 1 1 w    11  ^is . the !f\ollowing# -                           / 
 5 3  33 5950 1 1 w    11  the "^only :cr\ime# .                              / 
 5 3  33 5960 1 1 w    11  for ^which this :punishment was a !p\unishment# -  / 
 5 3  34 5970 1 1 w    11  "^after its abol\/ition# -                         / 
 5 3  34 5980 1 1 w    11  de^cr\eased# -                                     / 
 5 3  34 5990 1 1 w    11  for e^leven y\ears# -                              / 
 5 3  34 6000 1 1 w    11  you "^base on th/is#                               / 
 5 3  34 6010 1 1 w    11  the ^\inference# -                                 / 
 5 3  34 6020 1 1 w    11  that if it "^had been appl\ied#                    / 
 5 3  34 6030 1 1 w    11  to ^cr\imes#                                       / 
 5 3  34 6040 1 1 w    11  it ^never !h\ad been appl/ied _to# .               / 
 5 3  34 6050 1 1 w    11  they ^wouldn`t have !\increased#                   / 
 5 3  34 6060 1 1 w    11  now - ^this seems to me . t/otally !t\ortuous#     / 
 5 3  34 6070 1 1 w    11  and ^can I give you :one other f\act#              / 
 5 3  34 6080 1 1 w    11  which ^might 'strike you h\ere# -                  / 
 5 3  34 6090 1 1 w    11  ^that is to s/ay#                                  / 
 5 3  34 6100 1 1 w    12  that ^this [kra:] ^this p\unishment# .             / 
 5 3  34 6110 1 1 w    11  ^only ever existed in :England and W\ales# -       / 
 5 3  34 6120 1 1 w    11  it ^never existed in :Sc\otland# - -               / 
 5 3  34 6130 1 1 w    22  *^it . [no] . ^it*                                 / 
 5 3  34 6140 1 1 n    11  *well ^never`s* a :long t\ime#                     / 
 5 3  34 6150 1 1 w    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 3  34 6160 1 2 w    13  but ^not . [no . @ @:] . ^certainly *not before    / 
 5 3  34 6160 1 1 w    13  ((^nineteen f\orty-_eight#))                       / 
 5 3  35 6170 1 1 w    21  in the ^last*                                      / 
 5 3  35 6180 1 1 l    21  *((^certainly not sylls))*                         / 
 5 3  35 6190 1 1 w    12  [i] ^in . ^in the last c\entury you s/ee# -        / 
 5 3  35 6200 1 1 w    11  now . there`s a ^very striking f\act# -            / 
 5 3  35 6210 1 1 w    11  that . ^crimes of :v\iolence#                      / 
 5 3  35 6220 1 1 w    11  in "^g\eneral# -                                   / 
 5 3  35 6230 1 1 w    11  in ^England and Sc\/otland# -                      / 
 5 3  35 6240 1 1 w    11  de^cr\eased# -                                     / 
 5 3  35 6250 1 1 w    11  ['ma:kid] . "^decreased :m\/arkedly# .             / 
 5 3  35 6260 1 1 w    11  be^tween eighteen n=inety# .                       / 
 5 3  35 6270 1 1 w    11  and ^nineteen thirty-f\our# -                      / 
 5 3  35 6280 1 2 w    12  ^this is . [@:] . ^this of course was a            / 
 5 3  35 6280 1 1 w    12  !g\eneral# -                                       / 
 5 3  35 6290 1 1 w    11  ^d\ecrease# .                                      / 
 5 3  35 6300 1 2 w    11  ^due to im'provement of 'social con'ditions and 'so/ 
 5 3  35 6300 1 1 w    11  on and !s\o _forth#                                / 
 5 3  35 6310 1 1 w    20  *[b@]*                                             / 
 5 3  35 6320 1 1 n    11  *but* it`s ^n/ot h\alting _you# .                  / 
 5 3  35 6330 1 1 w    20  +((it))+                                           / 
 5 3  35 6340 1 1(n    11  +it`s+ ^not . an im:pr\/ovement# -                 / 
 5 3  35 6350 1 2 n    11  which has ^manifested it:self in the :last *thirty / 
 5 3  35 6350 1 1 n    11  :y/\ears#*                                         / 
 5 3  36 6360 1 1 w    11  *"^n\o _Mr* Na_barro#                              / 
 5 3  36 6370 1 1 w    11  but ^that is not my !p\oint#                       / 
 5 3  36 6380 1 1 w    11  ^my !point _is that the :d/\ecrease#               / 
 5 3  36 6390 1 1 w    12  that took ^part . ^p/\art in _this# .              / 
 5 3  36 6400 1 1 w    11  took ^pl\ace in this period of thirty y/ears# -    / 
 5 3  36 6410 1 1 w    11  was . [v] "^vastly greater in :Sc\otland# -        / 
 5 3  36 6420 1 1 w    11  ^where this penalty "!d\idn`t ex/ist# -            / 
 5 3  36 6430 1 2 w    11  than it ^was in England and Wales where it :d\id   / 
 5 3  36 6430 1 1 w    11  ex_ist#                                            / 
 5 3  36 6440 1 1 w    11  now *^how do you answer th\at _fact#*              / 
 5 3  36 6450 1 2 n    12  *I ^don`t think* . I ^don`t think 'that proves .   / 
 5 3  36 6450 1 1 n    12  "anything at "=all#                                / 
 5 3  36 6460 1 1 n    21  *((in the ^way of))*                               / 
 5 3  36 6470 1 1 w    11  *^n\o# .                                           / 
 5 3  36 6480 1 1 w    11  but it* ^does sug:g/\est +_something#+             / 
 5 3  36 6490 1 1 n    12  +now ^let me+ ^let me :f\inish# .                  / 
 5 3  36 6500 1 1 n    11  ^pl\ease# - -                                      / 
 5 3  37 6510 1 2 n    11  [@] . you`re ^trying to argue this :case !on .     / 
 5 3  37 6510 1 1 n    11  sta!tistical . lo:g\istics# - -                    / 
 5 3  37 6520 1 1 n    11  *the ^popul\ation# .                               / 
 5 3  37 6530 1 1 n    20  ((as a))*                                          / 
 5 3  37 6540 1 1 l    11  *^/\evidence#* -                                   / 
 5 3  37 6550 1 1 l    11  ^/\evidence# .                                     / 
 5 3  37 6560 1 1 l    11  ^that`s \/all# -                                   / 
 5 3  37 6570 1 1 w    11  *((and we ^still))* are waiting for !y\ours#       / 
 5 3  37 6580 1 1 n    13  *I ^don`t think* - - I ^don`t . I ^don`t th/ink#   / 
 5 3  37 6590 1 2 n    11  that there "^\is . {^any sta:tistical :\evidence . / 
 5 3  37 6590 1 1 n    11  {that ^may be rel\ated {to this ^m\atter#}#}#}# -  / 
 5 3  37 6600 1 1 n    11  be^cause we [g@] "!n\ot comp/aring#                / 
 5 3  37 6610 1 1 n    11  *^like . !with . !l\ike# .                         / 
 5 3  37 6620 1 1 n    21  ^let me finish the point*                          / 
 5 3  37 6630 1 1 l    11  *but ^what evidence "!\is _there# -                / 
 5 3  37 6640 1 1 l    11  ^what evidence have* "!y\ou#                       / 
 5 3  37 6650 1 1 n    11  ^let me finish the point about Sc\otland# -        / 
 5 3  38 6660 1 1 n    11  ^Scotland has a population of five m\illions# -    / 
 5 3  38 6670 1 1 n    11  ^England has a popul/ation#                        / 
 5 3  38 6680 1 1 n    11  ^of - forty-two forty-'three m\illions#            / 
 5 3  38 6690 1 1 w    11  ^tr/ue#                                            / 
 5 3  38 6700 1 1 l    20  *(coughs)*                                         / 
 5 3  38 6710 1 1 n    11  ^social conditions *.* n/ow#                       / 
 5 3  38 6720 1 2 n    11  are ^very different from social conditions in the  / 
 5 3  38 6720 1 1 n    11  nineteen !th\irties# - -                           / 
 5 3  38 6730 1 1 n    11  ^[dhi:] - - "!p\/aradox# -                         / 
 5 3  38 6740 1 1 n    11  and it ^\is# .                                     / 
 5 3  38 6750 1 1 n    11  a ^p=aradox# .                                     / 
 5 3  38 6760 1 1 n    11  ^all over the British \Isles# -                    / 
 5 3  38 6770 1 1 n    11  "^\is#                                             / 
 5 3  38 6780 1 1 n    11  that be^fore the :w\/ar# -                         / 
 5 3  38 6790 1 1 n    11  ^we were inclined to s\ay#                         / 
 5 3  38 6800 1 1 n    11  that ^social cr\imes# -                            / 
 5 3  38 6810 1 1 n    11  were the re^sult . of . :bad social env\ironment# -/ 
 5 3  38 6820 1 1 n    11  ^social conditions have im:proved e"n\ormously# -  / 
 5 3  38 6830 1 1 n    11  ^in the last ten to fifteen y\ears# -              / 
 5 3  38 6840 1 1 n    11  and ^one would have th/ought#                      / 
 5 3  38 6850 1 1 n    11  ^l\ogically# -                                     / 
 5 3  38 6860 1 1 n    11  that ^cr\/ime#                                     / 
 5 3  38 6870 1 1 n    11  would have di^m\inished# - -                       / 
 5 3  39 6880 1 1 n    11  ^on the !c\ontrary# -                              / 
 5 3  39 6890 1 1 n    11  ^cr/imes {of ^violence against the p/erson#}# .    / 
 5 3  39 6900 1 1 n    11  have ^{"h\ugely} :in!cr\eased#                     / 
 5 3  39 6910 1 1 w    11  we "^kn\ow _that#                                  / 
 5 3  39 6920 1 1 w    11  ^Mr Nab/arro#                                      / 
 5 3  39 6930 2 1 w    22  ^what we`re not *cl\/ear is ^what*                 / 
 5 3  39 6940 1 1 n    11  *^w\ell# .                                         / 
 5 3  39 6950 1 1 n    21  ((^here is))*                                      / 
 5 3  39 6930 1 1(w    12  the flogging has :got to !d\o with _it# -          / 
 5 3  39 6960 1 1 n    11  the ^flogging has got th\is to _do with it# -      / 
 5 3  39 6970 1 2 n    11  and I ^don`t like your con:tinuous use of the word / 
 5 3  39 6970 1 1 n    11  !fl\ogging# -                                      / 
 5 3  39 6980 1 1 w    11  ju^dicial b\eating# .                              / 
 5 3  39 6990 1 1 w    11  I ^beg your p\ardon#                               / 
 5 3  39 7000 1 2 n    11  ju^dicial beating`s a !rather different [@:] - a   / 
 5 3  39 7000 1 1 n    11  :rather different :m\atter#                        / 
 5 3  40 7010 1 2 w    11  I`ve ^got some :facts to :show you that :caning    / 
 5 3  40 7010 1 1 w    11  doesn`t work :\either#                             / 
 5 3  40 7020 1 1 w    11  ^come to :th\at#                                   / 
 5 3  40 7030 1 1 w    20  *but [@]*                                          / 
 5 3  40 7040 1 1 n    11  *[@:] . ^just a* m\oment# -                        / 
 5 3  40 7050 1 1 w    20  [h@ h@] -                                          / 
 5 3  40 7060 1 1(n    11  ^just a m\oment# -                                 / 
 5 3  40 7070 1 1 n    11  you ^see I !think the responsib\ility#             / 
 5 3  40 7080 1 1 n    11  ^does r/\est#                                      / 
 5 3  40 7090 1 1 n    11  with the auth^\/orities# .                         / 
 5 3  40 7100 1 1 n    11  for the ^G\/overnment# -                           / 
 5 3  40 7110 1 1 n    11  to en^deavour to pro:t\ect#                        / 
 5 3  40 7120 1 2 n    11  the ^ninety-n/\ine {^point n/\ine {per             / 
 5 3  40 7120 1 1 n    11  ^c\ent#}#}# -                                      / 
 5 3  40 7130 1 1 n    11  of a com^m\unity in England and W/ales#            / 
 5 3  40 7140 1 1 n    11  which is "^l\aw-a_biding#                          / 
 5 3  40 7150 1 1 l    11  ^so do w\e#                                        / 
 5 3  40 7160 1 1 n    21  ^and [@m]                                          / 
 5 3  40 7170 1 1 w    11  en^t/\irely#                                       / 
 5 3  40 7180 1 1 n    11  well I`m ^very glad to :h\ear th/at# .             / 
 5 3  40 7190 1 1 n    11  be^cause - pro!gressive \efforts have been m/ade# -/ 
 5 3  41 7200 1 1 n    11  ^over the last thirteen y/ears#                    / 
 5 3  41 7210 1 1 n    11  to ^find a !f\ormula# -                            / 
 5 3  41 7220 1 1 n    11  to . "^h\alt# -                                    / 
 5 3  41 7230 1 1 n    11  to ar"^r/\est# .                                   / 
 5 3  41 7240 1 1 n    11  this ^huge /increase#                              / 
 5 3  41 7250 1 2 n    12  of ^crimes against the [p . @] . of ^crimes of     / 
 5 3  41 7250 1 1 n    12  violence a:gainst the !p\erson# .                  / 
 5 3  41 7260 1 1 n    11  and the ^pl\ain fact of the matter /is#            / 
 5 3  41 7270 1 1 n    11  ^they have "not suc!!c\eeded# .                    / 
 5 3  41 7280 1 1 n    11  the ^crimes go :/up#                               / 
 5 3  41 7290 1 1 n    11  ^/every !!y\ear# -                                 / 
 5 3  41 7300 1 1 w    11  ^tr/ue#                                            / 
 5 3  41 7310 1 1(n    11  and ^while I`m :very /\anxious#                    / 
 5 3  41 7320 1 1 n    11  and ^w/\illing# -                                  / 
 5 3  41 7330 1 2 n    11  to a^wait the :outcome of Mr :Butler`s re:formative/ 
 5 3  41 7330 1 1 n    11  !m/\easures# -                                     / 
 5 3  41 7340 1 1 n    11  his ^new de!t\ention _centres#                     / 
 5 3  41 7350 1 1 n    11  his [@ . ?@:] ^harder !tr\aining# -                / 
 5 3  41 7360 1 1 n    11  of ^{young !th\ugs} and the re!m\ainder# -         / 
 5 3  42 7370 1 1 n    11  ^r/\eally#                                         / 
 5 3  42 7380 1 1 n    11  there ^must b/\e [@:]# -                           / 
 5 3  42 7390 1 1 n    11  there ^must be an . :\end#                         / 
 5 3  42 7400 1 1 n    11  ^s/\ome _time#                                     / 
 5 3  42 7410 1 1 n    11  to ^public "!p\atience {in this ^m\atter#}#        / 
 5 3  42 7420 1 1 w    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  42 7430 1 1 w    11  but ^Mr Na!b\arro#                                 / 
 5 3  42 7440 1 1 w    11  ^this is . if I may say so begging the !qu\estion# / 
 5 3  42 7450 2 1 w    21  because we                                         / 
 5 3  42 7460 1 1 n    20  *(([o:]))*                                         / 
 5 3  42 7450 1 2(w    11  *"^/\all* a_gree {that ^we are looking for         / 
 5 3  42 7450 1 1(w    11  m\eans#}# -                                        / 
 5 3  42 7470 1 1 w    11  to . [m] to . ^stop the rise in the cr\ime#        / 
 5 3  42 7480 1 1 w    11  ^what we`re pointing :\out /is#                    / 
 5 3  42 7490 1 1 w    11  that the ^means that you \/advocate#               / 
 5 3  42 7500 1 1 w    11  "^aren`t 'means for 'doing !th\is# .               / 
 5 3  42 7510 1 1 w    11  so ^wh/\y do you _say# .                           / 
 5 3  42 7520 1 2 w    11  ^now we`ve tried all these others we must :fall    / 
 5 3  42 7520 1 1 w    11  back on !th\is _means#                             / 
 5 3  42 7530 1 2 w    11  because our ^whole *argument is :that it "!!\isn`t / 
 5 3  42 7530 1 1 w    11  a _means#*                                         / 
 5 3  43 7540 1 2 n    12  *now now I ^don`t* - now ^just a !m\oment {^Mr .   / 
 5 3  43 7540 1 1 n    12  W\illiams#}#                                       / 
 5 3  43 7550 1 1 n    11  ^why fall :b\ack# - -                              / 
 5 3  43 7560 1 1 n    11  ^/\I`m _not [@]# .                                 / 
 5 3  43 7570 1 1 n    11  ^falling b\/ack#                                   / 
 5 3  43 7580 1 1 n    11  on ^\anything# - - -                               / 
 5 3  43 7590 1 2 w    11  well you ^said an *end of public !p\atience _Mr    / 
 5 3  43 7590 1 1 w    11  [_n@]#*                                            / 
 5 3  43 7600 1 2 n    13  *^this [@] this - ^this* . ^this [@:]              / 
 5 3  43 7600 1 1 n    13  :p\unishment# -                                    / 
 5 3  43 7610 1 1 n    11  was ^only appl/icable#                             / 
 5 3  43 7620 1 1 n    11  be^fore nineteen forty-/eight# .                   / 
 5 3  43 7630 1 1 n    11  to a ^relatively "n\arrow - - {^s\ector#}#         / 
 5 3  43 7640 1 1 n    11  of ^violent cr\imes#                               / 
 5 3  43 7650 1 1 w    11  [m]^[h/m]#                                         / 
 5 3  43 7660 1 1(n    11  ^with r\obbery#                                    / 
 5 3  43 7670 1 1 w    11  [m]^[h/m]# -                                       / 
 5 3  44 7680 1 1(n    11  ^I say n/ow#                                       / 
 5 3  44 7690 1 1 n    11  that it ^ought to be ex:t/ended#                   / 
 5 3  44 7700 1 1 n    11  in a ^m\ilder f/orm# -                             / 
 5 3  44 7710 1 1 n    11  for the ^second off/ence# .                        / 
 5 3  44 7720 1 1 n    11  and *^\after#*                                     / 
 5 3  44 7730 1 1 l    11  *well in* ^that c/ase#                             / 
 5 3  44 7740 1 2 l    11  the . the . the ^onus is still more "!str\ongly on / 
 5 3  44 7740 1 1 l    11  y/ou#                                              / 
 5 3  44 7750 1 1 l    11  to pro^duce some \evidence# .                      / 
 5 3  44 7760 1 1 l    11  that would ^have the ef'fect you !!cl\aim#         / 
 5 3  44 7770 1 1 l    11  and ^so f/ar#                                      / 
 5 3  44 7780 1 1 l    11  you have ^not pro'duced a "!!scr\ap of _evidence#  / 
 5 3  44 7790 1 1 n    11  ((but ^Mr)) L\evin# .                              / 
 5 3  44 7800 1 1 n    11  I ^must answer one question at a :t\ime#           / 
 5 3  44 7810 1 1 n    11  ^pl/\ease# *.*                                     / 
 5 3  44 7820 1 1 ?    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 3  44 7830 1 1(n    11  - and . you`re ^gr\/illing _me#                    / 
 5 3  44 7840 1 1 n    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 3  44 7850 1 1 n    11  but I ^must answer :one question at a !t\ime# -    / 
 5 3  44 7860 1 1 n    11  ^n/\o# -                                           / 
 5 3  44 7870 1 1 n    11  it is im^p\ossible {to pro^d\uce#}# .              / 
 5 3  44 7880 1 1 n    11  ^factual . :\/evidence#                            / 
 5 3  44 7890 1 1 n    11  for ^something which has never :been "!tr\ied#     / 
 5 3  45 7900 1 1 w    11  *((^y\es#                                          / 
 5 3  45 7910 1 1 w    21  but ^this is))*                                    / 
 5 3  45 7920 1 1 l    11  *"^\ah#                                            / 
 5 3  45 7930 1 1 l    11  but ^this isn`t* {:qu\ite} !tr\ue {^Mr Nab\arro#}# / 
 5 3  45 7940 1 1 l    11  because you "^did mention at :\one p/oint# -       / 
 5 3  45 7950 1 1 l    11  [@] ^when you be:g\/an# -                          / 
 5 3  45 7960 1 1 l    11  that this was "^not a pr/oblem#                    / 
 5 3  45 7970 1 1 l    11  and I en^tirely a:gr\ee with y/ou#                 / 
 5 3  45 7980 1 1 l    11  which is ^solely confined to !Br\itain# -          / 
 5 3  45 7990 1 2 l    11  you ^said that [dhi: @] this [@] . :this is a      / 
 5 3  45 7990 1 1 l    11  problem :other countries !h\ave#                   / 
 5 3  45 8000 1 1 l    11  and in^deed they !d\o#                             / 
 5 3  45 8010 1 1 l    11  and ^perhaps . in :some cases . !w/orse#           / 
 5 3  45 8020 1 1 l    11  and in ^some cases not so b\/adly#                 / 
 5 3  45 8030 1 1 l    11  as ^w\e _do# -                                     / 
 5 3  45 8040 1 1 l    11  but ^one thing is :very important :h\/ere#         / 
 5 3  45 8050 1 1 l    11  and ^that /is#                                     / 
 5 3  45 8060 1 1 l    11  that [bri] ^why should :Britain be the ":/\only#   / 
 5 3  45 8070 1 1 l    11  ^c\/ountry# -                                      / 
 5 3  45 8080 1 1 l    11  in ^which this agit\/ation#                        / 
 5 3  45 8090 1 1 l    11  for ^more . judicial b\/eating#                    / 
 5 3  45 8100 1 1 l    11  should ex^\ist# -                                  / 
 5 3  45 8110 1 1 l    11  it ex^ists nowhere /\else# -                       / 
 5 3  46 8120 1 1 l    11  ^one of the most :\interesting# .                  / 
 5 3  46 8130 1 1 l    11  ^parts of the :Home Office re:p\ort# .             / 
 5 3  46 8140 1 1 l    11  the ^Home Office`s Ad:v\isory {^C\ouncil#}# .      / 
 5 3  46 8150 1 1 l    11  of ^what the situation 'in those countries !w\as# -/ 
 5 3  46 8160 1 1 l    11  and with^out !any exc\/eption# .                   / 
 5 3  46 8170 1 1 l    11  the ^situation was that in !th/ose c\ountries#     / 
 5 3  46 8180 1 1 l    11  that had a"^b\olished _corporal _punishment#       / 
 5 3  46 8190 1 1 l    11  which was a "^very large ma:j\ority /of _them# -   / 
 5 3  46 8200 1 1 l    11  there had been "^n\o sig_nificant _increase#       / 
 5 3  46 8210 1 1 l    11  of "^\any _kind#                                   / 
 5 3  46 8220 1 1 l    11  in ^cr/ime# .                                      / 
 5 3  46 8230 1 1 l    11  and there was ^no . pr\/essure# .                  / 
 5 3  46 8240 1 2 l    11  for the ^reintro!duction of :corporal              / 
 5 3  46 8240 1 1 l    11  :p/unishment# .                                    / 
 5 3  46 8250 1 1 l    11  and "^n\o bel/ief#                                 / 
 5 3  46 8260 1 1 l    11  that if it "^w\ere introd/uced#                    / 
 5 3  46 8270 1 1 l    11  it would ^do anything about the !cr\ime _wave# .   / 
 5 3  46 8280 1 1 l    11  yet ^these c\/ountries# .                          / 
 5 3  46 8290 1 1 l    11  ^as we`re !both a:gr\/eed# -                       / 
 5 3  46 8300 1 1 l    11  ^h/\ave# .                                         / 
 5 3  46 8310 1 2 l    11  [@] an in ^some cases an :equally serious or :even / 
 5 3  46 8310 1 1 l    11  "!m\ore serious crime situ/ation#                  / 
 5 3  47 8320 1 1 l    11  than ^we do in this !!c\ountry#                    / 
 5 3  47 8330 1 1 n    11  [? @ m m] ^L\evin# .                               / 
 5 3  47 8340 1 1 n    11  you ^use the w/ords#                               / 
 5 3  47 8350 1 1 n    11  I re^peat them ex:\/actly# -                       / 
 5 3  47 8360 1 1 n    11  ^n/o# .                                            / 
 5 3  47 8370 1 1 n    11  sig^nificant . :increase . in cr\ime#              / 
 5 3  47 8380 2 2 w    21  he ^meant consequent on [dhi: @] . removal *on the / 
 5 3  47 8380 2 1 w    21  on the*                                            / 
 5 3  47 8390 1 1 n    11  *of corporal ^p\unishment#*                        / 
 5 3  47 8380 1 1(w    11  abol:ition of [ka:] corporal !p\unishment#         / 
 5 3  47 8400 1 1 n    11  well you ^didn`t !s\ay _so#                        / 
 5 3  47 8410 1 1 w    11  *well ^that ((was what he !sh\ould)) have* _done#  / 
 5 3  47 8420 1 1 l    12  *((^no . we ^sh\ould#))*                           / 
 5 3  47 8430 1 1 n    11  ^social cond/itions#                               / 
 5 3  47 8440 1 1 n    11  ^v/ary !w\idely# - -                               / 
 5 3  47 8450 1 1 n    11  and in ^this c/ountry#                             / 
 5 3  47 8460 1 1 n    11  ^we`ve had this . "!v\irulent# .                   / 
 5 3  47 8470 1 2 n    11  and con"^t\inuing - {^\increase# . {^in crimes of  / 
 5 3  47 8470 1 1 n    11  *violence against the :p\erson#}#}#*               / 
 5 3  48 8480 1 1 w    11  *^as with 'other +c=ountries#+                     / 
 5 3  48 8490 1 1 l    11  +^as have+ !\other _countries#* -                  / 
 5 3  48 8500 1 1 n    11  in ^many of them not ((to)) the same ext\ent#      / 
 5 3  48 8510 1 1 w    11  in ^m\any of them#                                 / 
 5 3  48 8520 1 1 w    11  [t] . *^Levin s/aid#                               / 
 5 3  48 8530 1 1 w    11  that they ^h/ave#                                  / 
 5 3  48 8540 1 1 w    11  ((^y\es#))                                         / 
 5 3  48 8550 1 1 w    11  but in ^other c/ountries#                          / 
 5 3  48 8560 1 1 w    11  to a ^gr\eater ex_tent#*                           / 
 5 3  48 8570 1 1 n    11  *((and ^sylls in)) c=ountries#                     / 
 5 3  48 8580 1 1 n    11  the ^same* . !packed . popul\ation#                / 
 5 3  48 8590 1 1 n    11  and ^I do "!not bel/ieve#                          / 
 5 3  48 8600 1 3 n    11  that you ^can . apply . :/\any {stat^\istical      / 
 5 3  48 8600 1 2 n    11  lo_gistics#} - {to a pro^posed . r\emedy# . {that  / 
 5 3  48 8600 1 1 n    11  has ^not . yet . been tr\ied#}#}#                  / 
 5 3  49 8610 1 1 w    11  well "^th\en Mr Nab/arro#                          / 
 5 3  49 8620 1 2 w    11  we ^have to ask you what your . what :y\our        / 
 5 3  49 8620 1 1 w    11  _reasons {^\are#}#                                 / 
 5 3  49 8630 1 1 w    11  since ^you . your!self ad:m/it# -                  / 
 5 3  49 8640 1 1 w    11  and in^deed give . a !r\eason#                     / 
 5 3  49 8650 1 2 w    11  for . ad^mitting that the stat:istics are quite    / 
 5 3  49 8650 1 1 w    11  ir!r\elevant to :th/is# -                          / 
 5 3  49 8660 1 2 w    11  ^h/ow do you "kn\ow {that ^this is going to        / 
 5 3  49 8660 1 1 w    11  ^w\ork#}# .                                        / 
 5 3  49 8670 1 1 w    11  by ^intu/ition#                                    / 
 5 3  49 8680 1 1 w    11  or . ^wh\at#                                       / 
 5 3  49 8690 1 1 n    11  [@] ^n/\o# .                                       / 
 5 3  49 8700 1 1 n    12  [?@m] . I ^did ^not use the word ir:r\elevant#     / 
 5 3  49 8710 1 1 w    20  [m]                                                / 
 5 3  49 8720 1 2(n    11  you ^mustn`t put words into my "!m\outh . {Mr      / 
 5 3  49 8720 1 1(n    11  W\illiams#}#                                       / 
 5 3  49 8730 1 1 w    11  I ^thought you said nothing to d\o with _it#       / 
 5 3  49 8740 1 1 w    11  *I ^beg your p\ardon#*                             / 
 5 3  49 8750 1 2 n    12  *I ^didn`t* [@:] . I ^didn`t say that they were    / 
 5 3  49 8750 1 1 n    12  ir:r\elevant# .                                    / 
 5 3  50 8760 1 1 n    11  of ^c\ourse# .                                     / 
 5 3  50 8770 1 1 n    11  ^I en:deavour to ex:amine as a :l\egislator# - -   / 
 5 3  50 8780 1 1 n    11  ^every \aspect of a _problem#                      / 
 5 3  50 8790 1 2 n    11  and ^all [dhi:] . facts and figures . and          / 
 5 3  50 8790 1 1 n    11  statements and op/inions#                          / 
 5 3  50 8800 1 1 n    11  that are a"^v\ailable to _me# -                    / 
 5 3  50 8810 1 1 n    11  but ^then I have to make up my own m\ind# - -      / 
 5 3  50 8820 2 1 n    21  *and I*                                            / 
 5 3  50 8830 1 1 w    21  *but ^you*                                         / 
 5 3  50 8820 1 1(n    11  ^m\ade up _my _mind# -                             / 
 5 3  50 8840 1 1 n    21  *^and 'I*                                          / 
 5 3  50 8850 1 1 w    11  *but ^you said there was !no \evidence#*           / 
 5 3  50 8860 1 1 n    12  ^please let . ^please let me *f\inish#*            / 
 5 3  50 8870 1 1 w    11  *^[\m]#* -                                         / 
 5 3  50 8880 1 1 n    11  I`ve ^m\ade up _my _mind# -                        / 
 5 3  50 8890 1 1 n    11  the ^evidence [@ - ?@:] sub:m\itted# .             / 
 5 3  50 8900 1 1 n    11  as to ^what occ\urred# .                           / 
 5 3  50 8910 1 2 n    11  be^fore nineteen forty-:\eight . {I`m ^t\alking    / 
 5 3  50 8910 1 1 n    11  _of#}# -                                           / 
 5 3  50 8920 1 1 n    11  but ^I`m not a":l/\one in _these _views# -         / 
 5 3  51 8930 1 1 n    11  I`m ^not a par!ticularly !w/\ise _man# -           / 
 5 3  51 8940 1 1 n    11  but I ^have to make up my :m\ind#                  / 
 5 3  51 8950 1 1 n    11  on ^contro!versial !\issues# - -                   / 
 5 3  51 8960 1 1 n    11  ^I th\ought#                                       / 
 5 3  51 8970 1 1 n    11  that [@m] - ^Lord P/arker#                         / 
 5 3  51 8980 1 1 n    11  the ^Lord Chief J/ustice# -                        / 
 5 3  51 8990 1 1 n    11  a ^m\an 'doesn`t achieve the pos/ition#            / 
 5 3  51 9000 1 1 n    11  of ^Lord Chief J/ustice#                           / 
 5 3  51 9010 1 1 n    11  with^out - a !l\ifetime {of ex^p\erience#}#        / 
 5 3  51 9020 1 1 n    11  as a ^b\arrister {and as a ^j\udge#}# -            / 
 5 3  51 9030 1 1 n    11  ^made [ei] par!ticularly ":p\owerful c/ase#        / 
 5 3  51 9040 1 1 n    11  for ^what I am /advocating#                        / 
 5 3  51 9050 1 1 n    11  ^in the House of L/ords#                           / 
 5 3  51 9060 1 1 n    11  ^only a few weeks a!!g\o# -                        / 
 5 3  51 9070 1 1 n    11  it is "^tr\ue#                                     / 
 5 3  51 9080 1 1 n    11  that ^he - was in a mi!n/\ority#                   / 
 5 3  51 9090 1 1 w    11  a^mong !j\udges# .                                 / 
 5 3  51 9100 1 1 w    11  which is an im^p\ortant _fact#                     / 
 5 3  51 9110 1 1 n    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 3  51 9120 1 1 n    11  ^only those j/udges#                               / 
 5 3  51 9130 1 1 n    11  that ^sat in the :House of !L\ords#                / 
 5 3  52 9140 1 1 w    11  ^ah w\ell# -                                       / 
 5 3  52 9150 1 1 w    20  [m]                                                / 
 5 3  52 9160 1 1 n    11  we ^don`t know the o:p\/inion#                     / 
 5 3  52 9170 1 2 n    11  there`s ^been 'no refer:endum of {:/\all}          / 
 5 3  52 9170 1 1 n    11  "!j/\udges#                                        / 
 5 3  52 9180 1 2 w    12  but there ^is an . we "^know that there`s a :strong/ 
 5 3  52 9180 1 1 w    12  division of o:p\inion among _judges *on _this#*    / 
 5 3  52 9190 1 1 l    11  *there "^\is#* .                                   / 
 5 3  52 9200 1 1 l    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 5 3  52 9210 1 2 n    11  +there+ is a di^vision of o:p\inion Mr             / 
 5 3  52 9210 1 1 n    11  W/\illiams# -                                      / 
 5 3  52 9220 1 1 n    11  in . ^every . section . :of so!c\iety# .           / 
 5 3  52 9230 1 2 n    11  in^cluding . "!h\ighly in_formed _people - {^on    / 
 5 3  52 9230 1 1 n    11  this m\atter#}#                                    / 
 5 3  52 9240 1 1 w    11  well "^I think the difference of op/inion#         / 
 5 3  52 9250 1 2 w    11  is [@] between ^those who are pre:pared to . look  / 
 5 3  52 9250 1 1 w    11  at :some form of ob:jective :\/evidence#           / 
 5 3  53 9260 1 1 w    11  and ^those that !\aren`t#                          / 
 5 3  53 9270 2 1 w    21  but . [@]                                          / 
 5 3  53 9280 1 1 n    20  *((no sylls))*                                     / 
 5 3  53 9270 1 1(w    11  *Mr Na^b\arro#*                                    / 
 5 3  53 9290 1 1 w    11  ^can we apply this to :c\apital p/unishment#       / 
 5 3  53 9300 1 1 w    11  because I ^think that our :time is getting :sh/ort#/ 
 5 3  53 9310 2 1 w    21  and I ^think *you your 'views*                     / 
 5 3  53 9320 1 1 n    11  *^yes !I agr\ee#*                                  / 
 5 3  53 9310 1 1(w    11  on !c\apital _punishment# .                        / 
 5 3  53 9330 1 2 w    11  perhaps . ^also fall :rather under the same        / 
 5 3  53 9330 1 1 w    11  !h\eading d/on`t _they# -                          / 
 5 3  53 9340 1 2 w    11  because ex"^/actly the same :issues arise h\ere of / 
 5 3  53 9340 1 1 w    11  _course#                                           / 
 5 3  53 9350 1 1 w    20  because .                                          / 
 5 3  53 9360 1 1 n    11  I be^lieve y\es# .                                 / 
 5 3  53 9370 1 1 n    11  I be^lieve in regard to :c\apital p/unishment#     / 
 5 3  53 9380 1 2 n    11  which ^is of course [@ . @:] the !d\eath           / 
 5 3  53 9380 1 1 n    11  _sentence# -                                       / 
 5 3  54 9390 1 1 n    11  for ^m\urder# -                                    / 
 5 3  54 9400 1 1 n    11  that it ^should be appl/ied#                       / 
 5 3  54 9410 1 1 n    11  to ^all m\urderers#                                / 
 5 3  54 9420 1 2 n    11  the ^Homicide Act of :nineteen fifty-:seven of     / 
 5 3  54 9420 1 1 n    11  course di"!v\ided# -                               / 
 5 3  54 9430 1 1 n    11  [?@:] ^sentences be:tween - !capital p/unishment# -/ 
 5 3  54 9440 1 1 n    11  and . "^n\on-capital {^p\unishment#}# -            / 
 5 3  54 9450 1 1 n    11  "^th\us# -                                         / 
 5 3  54 9460 1 1 n    11  [@:m] . for ex^\ample# -                           / 
 5 3  54 9470 1 1 n    11  a ^man . who . is . found . :g\uilty# -            / 
 5 3  54 9480 1 1 n    11  of ^murder . by :sh/ooting# .                      / 
 5 3  54 9490 2 1 n    21  or ^causing an *.*                                 / 
 5 3  54 9500 1 1 l    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 3  54 9490 1 1(n    11  ex:pl/osion# -                                     / 
 5 3  54 9510 1 1 n    11  ^may be h\anged# - -                               / 
 5 3  54 9520 1 1 l    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  54 9530 1 1 n    11  [@:] a ^man . who - [?] :poisons his !w/ife# -     / 
 5 3  54 9540 1 1 n    11  may ^n\ot be _hanged#                              / 
 5 3  54 9550 1 1 l    11  ^qu/ite#                                           / 
 5 3  54 9560 1 1 n    11  ^that seems to m/e#                                / 
 5 3  54 9570 1 1 n    11  [ei] ^quite ridiculous di:v\ision# .               / 
 5 3  55 9580 2 1 n    22  +and I would ^far+                                 / 
 5 3  55 9590 1 1 w    11  +^y\es#                                            / 
 5 3  55 9600 1 1 w    20  ((but))+                                           / 
 5 3  55 9610 1 1 l    20  +((sylls))+                                        / 
 5 3  55 9580 1 1(n    12  sooner I would ^far sooner h\ave it# -             / 
 5 3  55 9620 1 1 n    11  ^all black or :all wh\ite#                         / 
 5 3  55 9630 2 1 n    22  *I would ^far sooner* -                            / 
 5 3  55 9640 1 1 w    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 3  55 9650 1 1 w    11  well I ^think we agr/\eed* on _that point# -       / 
 5 3  55 9660 1 1 l    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 3  55 9630 1 1(n    12  a^bolish the death sentence alto:g\ether# -        / 
 5 3  55 9670 1 1 w    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 3  55 9680 1 2(n    11  ^or - hang !all murderers who are proved to 'be    / 
 5 3  55 9680 1 1(n    11  *((s\ane))#*                                       / 
 5 3  55 9690 1 1 w    11  *I ^think* this is !one point we a:gr\ee /on#      / 
 5 3  55 9700 1 2 w    11  ^namely that the !Homicide Act as it stands is     / 
 5 3  55 9700 1 1 w    11  extremely a:n\omalous#                             / 
 5 3  56 9710 1 2 w    11  the ^difference is that we think there should be   / 
 5 3  56 9710 1 1 w    11  :n=one#                                            / 
 5 3  56 9720 1 1 w    11  and ^you think it should be !\everybody#           / 
 5 3  56 9730 1 1 n    20  I [dn] . *well . well . ((not [ev]))*              / 
 5 3  56 9740 1 1 l    20  *we I . not* . +[h@h@ w@]+                         / 
 5 3  56 9750 1 2 w    11  +^everybody+ who isn`t [s@] ins\ane your w/ords    / 
 5 3  56 9750 1 1 w    11  _were#                                             / 
 5 3  56 9760 1 1 n    11  ^everybody who is !n/\ot in_sane#                  / 
 5 3  56 9770 1 1 w    11  [@:] ex^\actly# .                                  / 
 5 3  56 9780 1 1 w    11  I ^s\aid {^n\ot in_sane#}# .                       / 
 5 3  56 9790 1 1 w    20  *((sylls))*                                        / 
 5 3  56 9800 1 1 l    11  *but ^does* that !m\ean Na_barro#                  / 
 5 3  56 9810 1 2 l    12  that ^you would [@: . @] that ^you would even      / 
 5 3  56 9810 1 1 l    12  abolish . the :possibility of re!pr\/ieve#         / 
 5 3  56 9820 1 1 w    11  *^y=es#*                                           / 
 5 3  56 9830 1 1(l    11  *((for))* the ^sane m/urderer#                     / 
 5 3  57 9840 1 1 n    11  ^oh of :c\ourse _not# -                            / 
 5 3  57 9850 1 1 n    11  the ^same pro:visions would ap:pl\/y# .            / 
 5 3  57 9860 1 1 n    11  as be"^f\/ore#                                     / 
 5 3  57 9870 1 1 n    11  the ^Homicide Act of :nineteen fifty-!s\even# -    / 
 5 3  57 9880 1 1 n    11  [@:] ^[ei] repr/ieve#                              / 
 5 3  57 9890 1 1 n    11  ^could be gr/anted# .                              / 
 5 3  57 9900 1 1 n    11  by the ^Home !S\ecretary# -                        / 
 5 3  57 9910 1 1 n    11  com^m\uted# .                                      / 
 5 3  57 9920 1 1 n    11  com^m\uted#                                        / 
 5 3  57 9930 1 1 n    11  ^to . a life !s\entence#                           / 
 5 3  57 9940 1 2 w    11  ^when you *:say ((he)) you want him to be*         / 
 5 3  57 9940 1 1 w    11  :h\/anged#                                         / 
 5 3  57 9950 1 1 n    20  *well I want to*                                   / 
 5 3  57 9960 1 1(w    11  you ^don`t m\ean it# - -                           / 
 5 3  57 9970 1 1 n    11  ^well I :mean that . /\everybody#                  / 
 5 3  57 9980 1 1 n    11  ^who is . con!victed by the :c\ourts# -            / 
 5 3  57 9990 1 1 n    11  of a ^crime of :m\urder# -                         / 
 5 3  5710000 2 1 n    22  *^would be*                                        / 
 5 3  5710010 1 1 w    11  should be *^sentenced to d\eath#* .                / 
 5 3  5710000 1 1(n    12  should be ^sentenced to d=eath# -                  / 
 5 3  5710020 1 2 n    11  and ^then of course it is subject to the ap!p=eal  / 
 5 3  5710020 1 1 n    11  {ma^chinery in the c=ourts#}# -                    / 
 5 3  5810030 1 1 n    11  and it is ^subject to the !final pre:r=ogative# .  / 
 5 3  5810040 1 1 n    11  of ^m=ercy# .                                      / 
 5 3  5810050 1 1 n    11  of the ^Home !S=ecre*tary#                         / 
 5 3  5810060 1 1 n    11  who ^may* recommend a re"!pr\ieve#                 / 
 5 3  5810070 1 2 w    12  *^well now Mr [n@b@]* - - ^Mr Nabarro we will !now / 
 5 3  5810070 1 1 w    12  ask you once :m/ore# -                             / 
 5 3  5810080 1 1 w    11  the ^same question as we asked you bef\ore# -      / 
 5 3  5810090 1 1 w    11  [@:] . ex"^t\ensive#                               / 
 5 3  5810100 1 1 w    11  and "^/\intensive#                                 / 
 5 3  5810110 1 1 w    11  en^quiries have been m/ade#                        / 
 5 3  5810120 1 2 w    11  into ^whether this . :fear of this :penalty . in   / 
 5 3  5810120 1 1 w    11  'fact de'ters 'people from m\urdering# -           / 
 5 3  5810130 1 1 w    11  and ^what we`ve dis:c=overed# -                    / 
 5 3  5810140 1 1 w    11  [@:] stat^=istically#                              / 
 5 3  5810150 1 1 w    11  ^is that it !d\oesn`t# .                           / 
 5 3  5810160 1 2 w    11  and this ^isn`t just a matter of what :you might   / 
 5 3  5810160 1 1 w    11  think rather abstract stat:/istics#                / 
 5 3  5810170 1 2 w    11  we have ^very 'good 'reasons for ":kn\owing _why it/ 
 5 3  5810170 1 1 w    11  _doesn`t# -                                        / 
 5 3  5910180 1 1 w    11  ^n\amely# .                                        / 
 5 3  5910190 1 1 w    11  that the ^vast ma"!j\ority of m/urderers# -        / 
 5 3  5910200 1 3 w    12  ^are ^first of all the vast majority of murderers  / 
 5 3  5910200 1 2 w    12  ((are)) in :some sense [ins @] :some degree        / 
 5 3  5910200 1 1 w    12  ins\/ane# .                                        / 
 5 3  5910210 1 2 w    12  ^this is . but ^these are . :outside your . orbit  / 
 5 3  5910210 1 1 w    12  !\anyway# -                                        / 
 5 3  5910220 1 1 w    11  ^this . this is kn\own {to ^be the c\ase#}#        / 
 5 3  5910230 1 1 w    11  in a^nalysis of :c/ases# -                         / 
 5 3  5910240 1 1 w    11  ^s\econdly#                                        / 
 5 3  5910250 1 1 w    11  ^those who !\aren`t ins/ane#                       / 
 5 3  5910260 1 1 w    11  the ^vast ma!j\/ority# .                           / 
 5 3  5910270 1 1 w    11  are con^cerned with !some personal qu\/arrel# -    / 
 5 3  5910280 1 2 w    11  or have been ^driven to desperation by a :personal / 
 5 3  5910280 1 1 w    11  re:l/ation# .                                      / 
 5 3  5910290 1 1 w    11  or ^something of this k\ind# -                     / 
 5 3  5910300 1 2 w    11  ^now . !this gives . a :very !good "!!r\eason      / 
 5 3  5910300 1 1 w    11  _why# -                                            / 
 5 3  5910310 1 2 w    11  sta^tistical evidence shows that this :\isn`t a    / 
 5 3  5910310 1 1 w    11  det/errent#                                        / 
 5 3  5910320 1 1 w    11  namely ^people in this st/ate# .                   / 
 5 3  5910330 1 1 w    11  will "^n\ot be de_terred#                          / 
 5 3  6010340 1 1 w    21  ^by this form of .                                 / 
 5 3  6010350 1 3 n    11  ^well I !don`t think you`re :really [@m . m] .     / 
 5 3  6010350 1 2 n    11  cor:r\ect {on ^th\ose _grounds {Mr                 / 
 5 3  6010350 1 1 n    11  ^W\illiams#}#}# -                                  / 
 5 3  6010360 1 1 n    11  ^in [@:] !nineteen !th\irty# -                     / 
 5 3  6010370 1 1 n    11  there were ^one hundred and nine:t\een# -          / 
 5 3  6010380 1 1 n    11  ^m\/urders#                                        / 
 5 3  6010390 1 1 n    11  ^known to the pol\ice# -                           / 
 5 3  6010400 1 1 n    11  only ^six - murderers . were \executed#            / 
 5 3  6010410 1 2 w    11  I`m ^not quite clear what th\at`s sup_posed to     / 
 5 3  6010410 1 1 w    11  _show#                                             / 
 5 3  6010420 1 1 n    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 3  6010430 1 1 n    11  it ^sh\/ows# .                                     / 
 5 3  6010440 1 1 n    11  that . re^pr\ieves {were ^gr\anted#}#              / 
 5 3  6010450 1 1 n    11  in an over"^wh\elming maj/ority#                   / 
 5 3  6010460 1 1 n    11  of de^tected c\ases#                               / 
 5 3  6010470 1 2 w    11  *of course a ^lot of the ((sylls)) have got        / 
 5 3  6010470 1 1 w    11  !n\othing to _do with it#*                         / 
 5 3  6010480 1 2 l    11  *((sylls effect of))* the death penalty +even      / 
 5 3  6010480 1 1 l    11  "^sm\aller#+                                       / 
 5 3  6110490 1 2 n    13  +it`s ^got . it`s ^got+ - it`s ^got a !lot to ":d\o/ 
 5 3  6110490 1 1 n    13  with _it# -                                        / 
 5 3  6110500 1 1 n    11  it`s got a ^great d\eal to _do with it# .          / 
 5 3  6110510 1 1 n    11  be^cause [@:] you !did s\ay {of ^c\ourse#}# .      / 
 5 3  6110520 1 1 n    11  that [@] - ^most m\/urderers#                      / 
 5 3  6110530 1 1 n    11  ^are in!s\ane# -                                   / 
 5 3  6110540 1 2 n    11  and [@:] - that they ^shouldn`t . :all be          / 
 5 3  6110540 1 1 n    11  :h\/unged# .                                       / 
 5 3  6110550 1 1 n    11  ^h\/anged#                                         / 
 5 3  6110560 1 1 n    11  for ^that !r\eason#                                / 
 5 3  6110570 1 2 w    11  ^no that !w\asn`t _my _point {^Mr *. Mr            / 
 5 3  6110570 1 1 w    11  Nab\arro#}# .                                      / 
 5 3  6110580 1 2 w    11  you a"^gree with that :point* that "!th\ey         / 
 5 3  6110580 1 1 w    11  shouldn`t be h/anged#                              / 
 5 3  6110590 1 1 n    23  *^I . ^well if ^you ((sylls))*                     / 
 5 3  6110600 1 1(w    11  ^m\y point /is# .                                  / 
 5 3  6110610 1 1 w    11  that ^murder "!isn`t a ":cr\ime# -                 / 
 5 3  6110620 1 2 w    11  from ^which people . are going to be deterred 'by  / 
 5 3  6110620 1 1 w    11  'this 'kind of !p\enalty#                          / 
 5 3  6210630 1 2 w    11  *and we ^have very [g] . very good :reasons for    / 
 5 3  6210630 1 1 w    11  !seeing that it !!\is so#*                         / 
 5 3  6210640 1 1 n    11  *on the ^c\ontrary# -                              / 
 5 3  6210650 1 1 n    11  on the ^c\ontrary# .                               / 
 5 3  6210660 1 1 n    11  ^/I# .                                             / 
 5 3  6210670 1 1 n    11  on the ^c\ontrary#* .                              / 
 5 3  6210680 1 2 n    11  ^I think it`s a !very very "!p\owerful             / 
 5 3  6210680 1 1 n    11  de_terrent# -                                      / 
 5 3  6210690 1 1 n    12  *^and and . [@] . ^y\es# .                         / 
 5 3  6210700 1 1 n    11  but I ^c/an`t# - -                                 / 
 5 3  6210710 1 1 n    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 3  6210720 1 1 n    20  but it .*                                          / 
 5 3  6210730 1 1 l    11  *well you "^s\aid _so {Mr Na^b\arro#}#             / 
 5 3  6210740 1 2 l    11  but you ^won`t produce any !\evidence on this      / 
 5 3  6210740 1 1 l    11  _point#*                                           / 
 5 3  6210750 1 1 n    11  ^this is a m\atter# .                              / 
 5 3  6210760 1 1 n    11  ^L/evin# .                                         / 
 5 3  6210770 1 1 n    11  ^as in the case of corporal :p/unishment#          / 
 5 3  6210780 1 2 n    11  which I ^d\on`t be_lieve {can be ^proved by        / 
 5 3  6210780 1 1 n    11  stat\istics#}# -                                   / 
 5 3  6210790 1 1 n    11  I`ve ^given you the f/act#                         / 
 5 3  6310800 1 1 n    11  that only ^six m/urderers# .                       / 
 5 3  6310810 1 2 n    11  out of a ^hundred and nineteen in nineteen thirty  / 
 5 3  6310810 1 1 n    11  were :/executed#                                   / 
 5 3  6310820 1 1 n    11  if ^you want nineteen :s/ixty# -                   / 
 5 3  6310830 1 1 n    11  there were a ^hundred *and thirty-:tw\o#*          / 
 5 3  6310840 1 1 l    11  *but ^what does this :pr\ove#* -                   / 
 5 3  6310850 1 1 w    11  ^what does this !pr\ove#                           / 
 5 3  6310860 1 1(l    11  *and if it ((^does)) . what is it ex\actly#*       / 
 5 3  6310870 1 1 n    11  *it ^pr\/oves#* -                                  / 
 5 3  6310880 1 1 n    11  it ^pr\/oves# .                                    / 
 5 3  6310890 1 2 n    11  in ^view of the !great increase in our             / 
 5 3  6310890 1 1 n    11  popul/ation# .                                     / 
 5 3  6310900 1 2 n    11  the ^fact that the "!number of de:tected .         / 
 5 3  6310900 1 1 n    11  m\urders#                                          / 
 5 3  6310910 1 1 n    11  is "^r\oughly the _same in _nineteen _sixty# .     / 
 5 3  6310920 1 1 n    11  "^\as in _nineteen _thirty#                        / 
 5 3  6310930 1 1 l    11  ^as in !nineteen *h\undred ((in_deed))#*           / 
 5 3  6410940 1 2 n    11  *^only* :seven were executed under the "!l\imited  / 
 5 3  6410940 1 1 n    11  pro_visions#                                       / 
 5 3  6410950 1 1 n    11  of the ^H\omicide _Act# .                          / 
 5 3  6410960 1 1 n    11  in ^nineteen s\ixty# .                             / 
 5 3  6410970 1 1 n    11  a^gainst !six in nineteen :th\irty#                / 
 5 4   1   10 1 3 II   20  (what are the team`s views on the rioters who      / 
 5 4   1   10 1 2 II   20  stormed the platform when the Housing Minister was / 
 5 4   1   10 1 1 II   20  speaking on the Rent Act)                          / 
 5 4   1   20 1 1 f    11  what ^\are {the ^team`s v\iews#}# .                / 
 5 4   1   30 1 1 f    11  ^{V/ictor} M/ishcon#                               / 
 5 4   1   40 1 1 v    11  well ^I sup!pose if !\any_one# .                   / 
 5 4   1   50 1 1 v    11  ^was [@m] !\/angry#                                / 
 5 4   1   60 1 1 v    11  a^bout [dhi] R/ent _Act# -                         / 
 5 4   1   70 1 1 v    11  ^it would 'be mys/elf#                             / 
 5 4   1   80 1 1 v    11  and it ^is !my !p\arty# - -                        / 
 5 4   1   90 1 1 v    11  we ^feel it to b=e# .                              / 
 5 4   1  100 1 1 v    11  a ^very wr/ong#                                    / 
 5 4   1  110 1 1 v    11  and a ^very 'un!just !\Act# -                      / 
 5 4   1  120 1 1 v    11  and I can "^well underst/and#                      / 
 5 4   1  130 1 1 v    11  that ^p/eople#                                     / 
 5 4   1  140 1 1 v    11  should ^want to pro!t\est a_bout it# -             / 
 5 4   1  150 1 1 v    11  but I ^do "h\ope you kn/ow#                        / 
 5 4   1  160 1 1 v    11  that "^n\ever in this c/ountry# -                  / 
 5 4   1  170 1 1 v    11  do ^we de!v/elop#                                  / 
 5 4   1  180 1 1 v    11  the ^sort of . "!m\ob w/ar# -                      / 
 5 4   1  190 1 1 v    11  that ^makes a !pr\otest against s/omething#        / 
 5 4   1  200 1 1 v    11  how^ever un"j/ust# .                               / 
 5 4   1  210 1 2 v    11  de^velop into an {:\organized} r\iot {^at a        / 
 5 4   1  210 1 1 v    11  m\eeting#}# -                                      / 
 5 4   1  220 1 1 v    11  ^that is "!not in :my v/iew# .                     / 
 5 4   2  230 1 1 v    11  ^anything to "d\/o#                                / 
 5 4   2  240 1 2 v    11  with the tra^d/ition {of ^free sp/eech {that we`ve / 
 5 4   2  240 1 1 v    11  ^got h/ere#}#}# -                                  / 
 5 4   2  250 1 1 v    11  ^may we pre!s/erve _it# .                          / 
 5 4   2  260 1 1 v    11  for ^\ever#                                        / 
 5 4   2  270 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4   2  280 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil B\achelor#                                 / 
 5 4   2  290 1 1 d    11  ^I find my:self . in en!t\ire {a^gr\eement#}#      / 
 5 4   2  300 1 1 d    11  with those ^p\ious# -                              / 
 5 4   2  310 1 1 d    11  [?@:] . re^m/arks#                                 / 
 5 4   2  320 1 1 d    11  and ^I go !f/urther#                               / 
 5 4   2  330 1 1 d    11  and ^say that !even if ":V\ictor#                  / 
 5 4   2  340 1 1 d    11  from ^whom I :differ pro"!f\oundly#                / 
 5 4   2  350 1 1 d    11  *^upon a* :pl=at{^f=orm#}# .                       / 
 5 4   2  360 1 1 f    11  ^hear *h/\ear#* .                                  / 
 5 4   2  370 1 1(d    11  [@:] ^g\iving# .                                   / 
 5 4   2  380 1 1 d    11  what I can ^only in {!\all} "!c\ourtesy {^c\all#}# / 
 5 4   2  390 1 1 d    11  his ^ill-con:s\idered#                             / 
 5 4   2  400 1 1 d    11  and ^ignorant o!p/inions# .                        / 
 5 4   2  410 1 1 d    11  ^I should be the "!last to thr\ow# .               / 
 5 4   2  420 1 1 d    11  ^even a . :bucket of :s\oot over _him# .           / 
 5 4   3  430 1 1 d    11  "^\and# .                                          / 
 5 4   3  440 1 1 d    11  ^as a !wit has :s\aid#                             / 
 5 4   3  450 1 1 d    11  it was an ap"^palling :th\/ing#                    / 
 5 4   3  460 1 1 d    11  that ^this should :happen to !Mr :B=utler# .       / 
 5 4   3  470 1 1 d    11  [@ @] to ^Mr :Br=ooke# .                           / 
 5 4   3  480 1 1 d    11  ^not even in his own const\ituency#                / 
 5 4   3  490 1 1 v    11  oh I ^said that in !different c/ircum*stances#*    / 
 5 4   3  500 1 1 v    11  about a ^different "m\an _Denzil#                  / 
 5 4   3  510 1 1 d    11  *((^y\es#))*                                       / 
 5 4   3  520 1 1 d    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 4   3  530 1 1 f    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 4   3  540 1 1 f    11  ^never m/ind# .                                    / 
 5 4   3  550 1 1 f    11  it`s an ^\awfully good {^st\ory {^\anyway#}#}#     / 
 5 4   3  560 1 1 f    11  (laughs) - - ^Honor B\alfour#                      / 
 5 4   3  570 1 2 h    11  well if ^I can just be a bit !more serious than    / 
 5 4   3  570 1 1 h    11  :th\at for a m/oment# -                            / 
 5 4   3  580 1 1 h    11  I ^think one :\interesting _thing#                 / 
 5 4   3  590 1 1 h    11  a^bout this par!t\icular {^\incident#} {^w\as#}# . / 
 5 4   3  600 1 2 h    11  that ^these people were !not "r/\eally {in         / 
 5 4   3  600 1 1 h    11  ^f\act#}#                                          / 
 5 4   4  610 1 1 h    11  ^rioting so "!m\uch a_gainst . {^Mr :Br\ooke#}# .  / 
 5 4   4  620 1 1 h    11  as a^gainst !each \other# -                        / 
 5 4   4  630 1 1 h    11  be^c\ause# .                                       / 
 5 4   4  640 1 2 h    11  [@] ^if you !know the !facts of that par:ticular   / 
 5 4   4  640 1 1 h    11  :situ/ation# .                                     / 
 5 4   4  650 1 1 h    11  ^these r/ioters#                                   / 
 5 4   4  660 1 1 h    11  ^were in !f\act#                                   / 
 5 4   4  670 1 1 h    11  ^organized C/ommunists#                            / 
 5 4   4  680 1 1 h    11  and ^organized :F\ascists# -                       / 
 5 4   4  690 1 1 h    11  now ^I am 'all 'for po:litical free :sp\eech#      / 
 5 4   4  700 1 1 h    11  ^in this !c/ountry# .                              / 
 5 4   4  710 1 1 h    11  ^let me s=ay#                                      / 
 5 4   4  720 1 1 h    11  "^be it for :C=ommunists#                          / 
 5 4   4  730 1 1 h    11  ^or 'be it for F\ascists# -                        / 
 5 4   4  740 1 1 h    11  ^even s\o# -                                       / 
 5 4   4  750 1 1 h    11  ^b=ut# .                                           / 
 5 4   4  760 1 1 h    11  ^when they trans:gr\ess#                           / 
 5 4   4  770 1 1 h    11  the ^d/\emocratic#                                 / 
 5 4   4  780 1 1 h    11  "^l\iberties {of ^this c\ountry#}# .               / 
 5 4   4  790 1 1 h    11  "^th\en I _think#                                  / 
 5 4   4  800 1 1 h    11  we "^m\ust main_tain#                              / 
 5 4   4  810 1 1 h    11  ^civil l=aw((s))#                                  / 
 5 4   4  820 1 1 h    11  ^civil =order# .                                   / 
 5 4   4  830 1 1 h    11  and the ^fr\/eedoms# .                             / 
 5 4   4  840 1 1 h    11  for which ^this c/ountry#                          / 
 5 4   4  850 1 1 h    11  ^fought and !suffered so h\ard# .                  / 
 5 4   4  860 1 1 h    11  and on ^this par!t\icular oc:c/asion#              / 
 5 4   5  870 1 1 h    11  I ^wish that there had been a !great m=any# .      / 
 5 4   5  880 1 1 h    11  [@] po^lice /actions#                              / 
 5 4   5  890 1 1 h    11  to ^keep !these people :under contr\ol# .          / 
 5 4   5  900 1 1 h    11  be^cause I !think in !th\ese _circumstances#       / 
 5 4   5  910 1 1 h    11  that`s the ^\only w/ay#                            / 
 5 4   5  920 1 2 h    11  in ^which we !c\an _have {^democratic :free speech / 
 5 4   5  920 1 1 h    11  :in this c\ountry#}#                               / 
 5 4   5  930 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4   5  940 1 1 f    11  ^Colin _H/odgkinson# - -                           / 
 5 4   5  950 1 1 c    11  ^I 'am a :victim of the :Rent /Act#                / 
 5 4   5  960 1 1 c    11  my^s\/elf#                                         / 
 5 4   5  970 1 1 c    11  and ^therefore I :must have a :vested !\interest#  / 
 5 4   5  980 1 1 c    11  in ^this !m\atter# .                               / 
 5 4   5  990 1 1 c    11  I ^neverthe:l\ess#                                 / 
 5 4   5 1000 1 1 c    11  [@: . @] ^have [@:] re!v\iewed# .                  / 
 5 4   5 1010 1 1 c    11  [dhi:] . ^\action#                                 / 
 5 4   5 1020 1 1 c    11  that was ^t\aken#                                  / 
 5 4   5 1030 1 1 c    11  by these ^r\/ioters#                               / 
 5 4   5 1040 1 1 c    11  I ^think it is the most ap!p\alling#               / 
 5 4   5 1050 1 1 c    11  ^th\/ing#                                          / 
 5 4   5 1060 1 1 c    11  to ^take the law into one`s own :h/ands#           / 
 5 4   6 1070 1 2 c    11  in the ^same way . as the :students :did . 'with Mr/ 
 5 4   6 1070 1 1 c    11  Butler at :Gl\asgow# .                             / 
 5 4   6 1080 1 1 c    11  [@] ^some people !s=ay#                            / 
 5 4   6 1090 1 2 c    12  that [@] ^there !shouldn`t be [@ dh@] that the     / 
 5 4   6 1090 1 1 c    12  po^lice shouldn`t have po!l\ice _dogs# .           / 
 5 4   6 1100 1 1 c    11  [@:?] . I a^gree with :that up to a :p\oint# .     / 
 5 4   6 1110 1 1 c    11  but [@:] "^when . [dhi:] :\audience#               / 
 5 4   6 1120 1 1 c    11  ^in !\any {^c\ountry#}# .                          / 
 5 4   6 1130 1 1 c    11  ^takes the !l\aw#                                  / 
 5 4   6 1140 1 1 c    11  into their "^own h\ands# .                         / 
 5 4   6 1150 1 1 c    11  ^that is to say a :demo!cr\atic _country# .        / 
 5 4   6 1160 1 1 c    11  [@] ^I [?] de!pl=ore it# .                         / 
 5 4   6 1170 1 1 c    11  in the ^greatest :possible :w\ay#                  / 
 5 4   6 1180 1 2 c    11  and in ^answer to the :question I can :simply      / 
 5 4   6 1180 1 1 c    11  s=ay# .                                            / 
 5 4   6 1190 1 1 c    11  ^I am a:g\ainst# .                                 / 
 5 4   6 1200 1 1 c    11  ^what the !\audience#                              / 
 5 4   6 1210 1 1 c    11  ^d=id# .                                           / 
 5 4   6 1220 1 1 c    11  al^though I am a :sufferer of the R\ent _Act#      / 
 5 4   6 1230 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4   7 1240 1 1 f    12  ^((all)) the team . *^y/es# .                      / 
 5 4   7 1250 1 1 f    11  ((here`s)) ^Victor M\ishcon#*                      / 
 5 4   7 1260 1 2 v    11  *^never have I :heard a more !gracious*            / 
 5 4   7 1260 1 1 v    11  ap\/ology# .                                       / 
 5 4   7 1270 1 1 v    11  by a ^member of the Con!s\ervative P/arty# -       / 
 5 4   7 1280 1 1 v    11  ^f\or the R/ent _Act# .                            / 
 5 4   7 1290 1 1 v    11  ^and for the !people who !suffer !fr\om _it# .     / 
 5 4   7 1300 1 1 v    11  but ^quite /obviously#                             / 
 5 4   7 1310 1 1 v    11  I ^w\ant to rep/eat _this# .                       / 
 5 4   7 1320 1 2 v    11  I`m "^dead against . :this w/ay . {^of             / 
 5 4   7 1320 1 1 v    11  beh/aving#}# .                                     / 
 5 4   7 1330 1 2 v    11  if you are ^trying to oppose a piece of            / 
 5 4   7 1330 1 1 v    11  legisl\ation#                                      / 
 5 4   7 1340 1 1 c    11  I ^wouldn`t l\ike _sir#                            / 
 5 4   7 1350 1 1 c    11  if I ^m\ay# .                                      / 
 5 4   7 1360 1 1 c    11  inter^p\ose {^h\ere#}# .                           / 
 5 4   7 1370 1 2 c    11  that ^Mr ![mish@n] to :have the last :w\ord {on    / 
 5 4   7 1370 1 1 c    11  ^this \issue#}#                                    / 
 5 4   7 1380 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4   7 1390 1 1 c    11  [@: . @] *in^d\eed#                                / 
 5 4   7 1400 2 1 c    21  [@:] if* ^I may !crave your                        / 
 5 4   8 1410 1 1 f    11  *^w/ell# .                                         / 
 5 4   8 1420 1 1 f    20  ((sylls))*                                         / 
 5 4   8 1400 1 1(c    11  in:d\ulgence#                                      / 
 5 4   8 1430 1 1 c    11  I ^don`t intend to l\et _him# .                    / 
 5 4   8 1440 1 2 c    11  [@:] . ^I am en"!t\irely {in a^gr\eement#}         / 
 5 4   8 1440 1 1 c    11  {^b\asically#}# .                                  / 
 5 4   8 1450 1 1 c    11  with the ^Rent Act as it :st/ands#                 / 
 5 4   8 1460 1 1 c    11  and in^deed Mr . [mish@n] you know ":very w/ell#   / 
 5 4   8 1470 1 2 c    11  that your ^Party would have :had to have :d=one    / 
 5 4   8 1470 1 1 c    11  {^s=omething#}# .                                  / 
 5 4   8 1480 1 1 c    11  [@:] ^if it had come back to p\ower#               / 
 5 4   8 1490 1 1 c    11  ^I say if . [@] :qu\/alifiedly#                    / 
 5 4   8 1500 1 2 c    11  be^cause !your Party . [s] :seems to think that    / 
 5 4   8 1500 1 1 c    11  they will this next !t\ime# .                      / 
 5 4   8 1510 1 1 c    11  but ^you would "!h\ave to do s/omething# .         / 
 5 4   8 1520 1 1 c    12  "^quite . ^quite d\efinitely#                      / 
 5 4   8 1530 1 1 c    11  ^on this /issue# .                                 / 
 5 4   8 1540 1 1 c    11  and you would "^n\ot# -                            / 
 5 4   8 1550 1 1 c    11  [@:] be ^\able _to#                                / 
 5 4   8 1560 1 1 c    11  in ^m\y op/inion#                                  / 
 5 4   8 1570 1 1 c    11  to ^national=ize#                                  / 
 5 4   8 1580 1 1 c    11  ^six million h\ouses#                              / 
 5 4   8 1590 1 1 c    11  as your ^Party in!tends to :d\/o# .                / 
 5 4   8 1600 1 1 c    11  ^says it`s going to :d/o# .                        / 
 5 4   8 1610 1 2 c    12  and ^find !two million . five . ^two thousand five / 
 5 4   8 1610 1 1 c    12  hundred million pounds to d\o so# -                / 
 5 4   9 1620 1 1 c    11  I ^think that it is !quite . quite c/ertain# .     / 
 5 4   9 1630 1 1 c    11  that . [@:] the ^Rent Act is the !right th=ing# .  / 
 5 4   9 1640 1 3 c    11  it`s a ^question of !whether it has [@] been       / 
 5 4   9 1640 1 2 c    11  applied the :right way or not is a matter of       / 
 5 4   9 1640 1 1 c    11  [k@ndzh\estsh@]#                                   / 
 5 4   9 1650 1 1 f    11  ^[mh/m]# *.*                                       / 
 5 4   9 1660 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil B/achelor#                                 / 
 5 4   9 1670 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4   9 1680 1 2 d    13  *^this* - - [@] . *^I`m quite . ^I`m quite         / 
 5 4   9 1680 1 1 d    13  !st\aggered#*                                      / 
 5 4   9 1690 1 1 f    11  *we`re ^getting a bit off the !qu\estion you kn/ow#/ 
 5 4   9 1700 1 1 f    11  but ^never m/ind#*                                 / 
 5 4   9 1710 1 1(d    11  ^I thought this was a de:b=ate#                    / 
 5 4   9 1720 1 1 d    11  as to ^whether people should {:thr/ow} th/ings#    / 
 5 4   9 1730 1 1 d    12  ^at [@ . ?@] (laughs) ^at !Mr "!Br\ooke#           / 
 5 4  10 1740 1 1 d    11  in^stead of wh/ich#                                / 
 5 4  10 1750 1 1 d    11  it`s a de^b/ate {ap^p/arently#}#                   / 
 5 4  10 1760 1 1 d    11  of the ^rights and wrongs of the "!!R\ent _Act# -  / 
 5 4  10 1770 1 1 d    11  it`s got ^absolutely n/othing to !d\o with _it# -  / 
 5 4  10 1780 1 1 d    11  now ^what I`m "f\/ascinated#                       / 
 5 4  10 1790 1 1 d    11  is to ^know that !C/\ommunists#                    / 
 5 4  10 1800 1 1 d    11  (coughs) and ^F\ascists#                           / 
 5 4  10 1810 1 1 d    11  are ^such bad sh\ots# .                            / 
 5 4  10 1820 1 1 d    11  that ^wh/\en they _have# .                         / 
 5 4  10 1830 1 1 d    11  a ^battle be:tween them!s\/elves# .                / 
 5 4  10 1840 1 1 d    11  "^\all their m/issiles#                            / 
 5 4  10 1850 1 1 d    11  ^hit the un"!f/ortunate {^Mr Br/ooke#}#            / 
 5 4  10 1860 1 1 d    11  who as I ^underst/and#                             / 
 5 4  10 1870 1 1 d    11  is ^n\either#                                      / 
 5 4  10 1880 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  10 1890 1 1 f    11  ^yes Honor B=alfour#                               / 
 5 4  10 1900 1 1 h    11  ^may I just :s\ay#                                 / 
 5 4  10 1910 1 3 h    11  that I ^happened to be :talking with Mr Brooke the / 
 5 4  10 1910 1 2 h    11  :following evening and he !did assure me he was    / 
 5 4  10 1910 1 1 h    11  {!n\ot} !h\it#                                     / 
 5 4  11 1920 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 4  11 1930 1 1 f    11  *^\oh#* - -                                        / 
 5 4  11 1940 1 1 f    11  oh ^all r/ight# -                                  / 
 5 4  11 1950 1 1 f    11  ^well !now !we "\are#                              / 
 5 4  11 1960 1 1 f    11  be^ginning to di":verge from this :qu/estion#      / 
 5 4  11 1970 1 1 f    11  ((so)) I ^think ((it`s)) :better we`d st/op it# -  / 
 5 4  11 1980 1 1 f    11  [@:] ^we "\are a_greed#                            / 
 5 4  11 1990 1 1 f    11  en^t\irely#                                        / 
 5 4  11 2000 1 1 f    11  the ^wh\ole {^t\eam`s a_greed#}#                   / 
 5 4  11 2010 1 1 f    11  a^bout the the sort of !\ethics of _this#          / 
 5 4  11 2020 1 1 f    11  it ^is a !sh\ocking _thing {to ^h\appen#}# .       / 
 5 4  11 2030 1 1 f    21  and we ^go on to the :next question from (name)    / 
 5 4  11 2040 1 4 II   20  (in view of the demand for stringent economy by the/ 
 5 4  11 2040 1 3 II   20  Government does the panel consider the time        / 
 5 4  11 2040 1 2 II   20  opportune for the expenditure of time and money in / 
 5 4  11 2040 1 1 II   20  putting Stonehenge upright)                        / 
 5 4  11 2050 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  11 2060 1 1 f    11  I ^think upright is a de:l\ightful ex_pression# .  / 
 5 4  12 2070 1 1 f    11  [@m] - ^Colin H/odgkinson#                         / 
 5 4  12 2080 1 1 f    11  ^what do you feel about th\at#                     / 
 5 4  12 2090 1 1 c    11  (laughs) I ^must con:f=ess#                        / 
 5 4  12 2100 1 1 c    11  that I`m ^baffled by the :qu=estion#               / 
 5 4  12 2110 1 2 c    11  because ((2 sylls)) ^I !didn`t even know the       / 
 5 4  12 2110 1 1 c    11  Government "!w\as _going to _put it _upright#      / 
 5 4  12 2120 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  12 2130 1 1 c    11  - [@:] in^d\eed#                                   / 
 5 4  12 2140 1 1 c    11  I ^didn`t even know that it was :cr\ooked#         / 
 5 4  12 2150 1 1 aud  20  (laughter) - -                                     / 
 5 4  12 2160 1 1 f    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 4  12 2170 1 1 f    11  it`s a ^bit 'part :w\orn# -                        / 
 5 4  12 2180 1 1 c    11  it`s sym^m\etrical#                                / 
 5 4  12 2190 1 1 c    11  that`s as *^far as* I :kn\ow# -                    / 
 5 4  12 2200 1 1 f    11  *^y\es#* -                                         / 
 5 4  12 2210 1 1 f    11  ^Honor B\alfour# -                                 / 
 5 4  12 2220 1 1 f    11  *^oh I`m s\orry#*                                  / 
 5 4  12 2230 1 1(c    12  [@:] . *I ^want -* - ^I`m !s\orry# .               / 
 5 4  12 2240 1 1 c    11  ^\all I was _going to {^s\ay _was#}# .             / 
 5 4  12 2250 1 2 c    11  I ^don`t know :how much [dhi: @: ?] the !cost is   / 
 5 4  12 2250 1 1 c    11  in!v/olved#                                        / 
 5 4  13 2260 1 1 c    11  in ^putting the thing :/upright# -                 / 
 5 4  13 2270 1 1 c    12  or . what^ever what^ever the :question !w/as#      / 
 5 4  13 2280 1 1 c    11  ^/upright# .                                       / 
 5 4  13 2290 1 1 c    11  [@:] . ^if it does :not cost too much m/oney#      / 
 5 4  13 2300 1 1 c    11  ^I think the !G\overnment#                         / 
 5 4  13 2310 1 1 c    11  is en^t\irely en:titled to !d/o so# .              / 
 5 4  13 2320 1 1 c    11  be^cause I !underst=and#                           / 
 5 4  13 2330 1 2 c    11  that a ^great many A:merican dollars :flow in to   / 
 5 4  13 2330 1 1 c    11  the coffers of Stonehenge whoever :\owns it#       / 
 5 4  13 2340 1 1 ?    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 5 4  13 2350 1 2 f    11  well I ^understand it`s about :eight thousand      / 
 5 4  13 2350 1 1 f    11  p\ounds#                                           / 
 5 4  13 2360 1 1 c    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 4  13 2370 1 1 f    11  ^[je:] . D\enzil *{^B\achelor#}#*                  / 
 5 4  13 2380 1 1 d    11  *^eight* thousand five h\undred#                   / 
 5 4  13 2390 1 1 d    11  an "^\absolute {"^fl\ea _bite#}# -                 / 
 5 4  14 2400 1 1 d    11  "^usual th/ing# -                                  / 
 5 4  14 2410 1 2 d    11  you`ve ^got a . "!thoroughly fine national property/ 
 5 4  14 2410 1 1 d    11  on your :h/ands#                                   / 
 5 4  14 2420 1 1 d    11  and you "^spend "!f\ar too _little {^\on it#}# .   / 
 5 4  14 2430 1 2 d    11  they`re ^trying to 'put it 'as it 'was I . I       / 
 5 4  14 2430 1 1 d    11  believe in the eighteenth c\entury#                / 
 5 4  14 2440 1 2 d    11  ^what`s the _eighteenth !!c\entury {^got to do with/ 
 5 4  14 2440 1 1 d    11  Stoneh\enge#}# -                                   / 
 5 4  14 2450 1 2 d    11  ^put it 'as it 'was in the !eighteenth century     / 
 5 4  14 2450 1 1 d    11  {"\B}"!\C# -                                       / 
 5 4  14 2460 1 1 d    11  ^spend !eight and a half ":m\illion _on it# -      / 
 5 4  14 2470 1 2 d    11  and ^charge !eight 'dollars !fifty 'cents to       / 
 5 4  14 2470 1 1 d    11  !!\every American c/oming#                         / 
 5 4  14 2480 1 1 d    11  with a "^huge 'neon s\ign# *-*                     / 
 5 4  14 2490 1 1 d    11  ^Stoneh\enge#                                      / 
 5 4  14 2500 1 1 aud  20  (laughter and applause)                            / 
 5 4  15 2510 1 1 f    11  *^\oh {^n\o#}#* - -                                / 
 5 4  15 2520 1 1 f    11  ^oh ((D\enzil))# - - -                             / 
 5 4  15 2530 1 1 f    11  ^Victor _M/ishcon#                                 / 
 5 4  15 2540 1 1 v    11  ^what r/eal {ob^sc/enities#}#                      / 
 5 4  15 2550 1 1 v    11  ^Denzil Bachelor th\inks of#                       / 
 5 4  15 2560 1 1 v    11  it`s ^quite re"m\arkable# -                        / 
 5 4  15 2570 1 1 v    11  but you ^kn=ow# .                                  / 
 5 4  15 2580 1 1 v    11  ^one thing I :do want to s/ay#                     / 
 5 4  15 2590 1 1 v    11  in ^sheer s\ympathy# -                             / 
 5 4  15 2600 1 1 v    11  ^when you think . of a g/overnment# -              / 
 5 4  15 2610 1 1 v    11  ^where !after /all# .                              / 
 5 4  15 2620 1 1 v    11  the ^whole of a . :finance {t/eam} f/alls# -       / 
 5 4  15 2630 1 2 v    11  a ^Chancellor of the Exchequer and his :two        / 
 5 4  15 2630 1 1 v    11  ass/istants# -                                     / 
 5 4  15 2640 1 2 v    11  when it ^looks as though . a :Foreign Secretary is / 
 5 4  15 2640 1 1 v    11  about to t/opple# -                                / 
 5 4  15 2650 1 2 v    11  when you ^think in 'terms of :by-elections . being / 
 5 4  15 2650 1 1 v    11  lost so m/iserably# -                              / 
 5 4  15 2660 1 1 v    11  ^isn`t there "something "r/eally#                  / 
 5 4  15 2670 1 1 v    11  that ^ought to be =upright#                        / 
 5 4  16 2680 1 1 v    11  that they can . ^really _l=ook at# - - -           / 
 5 4  16 2690 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  16 2700 1 1 v    11  and if ^that be s=o#                               / 
 5 4  16 2710 1 2 v    11  and it ^merely cost them eight thousand five       / 
 5 4  16 2710 1 1 v    11  hundred p/ounds#                                   / 
 5 4  16 2720 1 1 v    11  to ^look at something that`s :really "st\atic# -   / 
 5 4  16 2730 1 1 v    11  ^I don`t think we ought to gr\udge it _to them# - -/ 
 5 4  16 2740 1 1 f    11  it`s ^rather on the l\ines _isn`t it _Victor#      / 
 5 4  16 2750 1 1 f    11  [dhi:] . the ^g\eneral#                            / 
 5 4  16 2760 1 1 f    11  who ^said my !flanks are :t=urned#                 / 
 5 4  16 2770 1 1 f    11  my ^centre is br=oken#                             / 
 5 4  16 2780 1 1 f    11  ^I shall att\ack# -                                / 
 5 4  16 2790 1 2 v    11  if "^I could have thought of that quotation 'I     / 
 5 4  16 2790 1 1 v    11  would have \used it#                               / 
 5 4  16 2800 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  16 2810 1 1 f    11  ^Honor B\alfour# -                                 / 
 5 4  16 2820 1 1 h    11  ^only !one !c=omment#                              / 
 5 4  16 2830 1 2 h    11  I`m ^very glad to know that it`s not !only the     / 
 5 4  16 2830 1 1 h    11  !m\issiles#                                        / 
 5 4  16 2840 1 1 h    11  and the ^\H bombs#                                 / 
 5 4  16 2850 1 2 h    11  that are ^going to be set upright by this          / 
 5 4  16 2850 1 1 h    11  g=overnment#                                       / 
 5 4  17 2860 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  17 2870 1 1 f    11  ^anybody !/else# -                                 / 
 5 4  17 2880 1 1 f    11  ^n/o# .                                            / 
 5 4  17 2890 1 1 f    11  ^no m/ore# -                                       / 
 5 4  17 2900 1 1 f    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 4  17 2910 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil Bachelor :wants to go the whole h\og#      / 
 5 4  17 2920 1 1 f    11  and ^put the !whole thing "!right up as it w/as#   / 
 5 4  17 2930 1 1 f    11  as it ^used to b/e#                                / 
 5 4  17 2940 1 1 f    11  if we "^kn\ow _what it _used to _be# -             / 
 5 4  17 2950 1 1 f    11  [@:] . we ^go on to the next question fr=om#       / 
 5 4  17 2960 1 1 f    20  (name)                                             / 
 5 4  17 2970 1 4 II   20  (Mr Emmanuel Shinwell thinks that defence should be/ 
 5 4  17 2970 1 3 II   20  outside party politics does the team think that the/ 
 5 4  17 2970 1 2 II   20  present position of the country demands a coalition/ 
 5 4  17 2970 1 1 II   20  government)                                        / 
 5 4  17 2980 1 1 f    11  ^Honor !B/alfour# -                                / 
 5 4  17 2990 1 1 h    11  ^n\o {^n\o#}#                                      / 
 5 4  17 3000 1 1 h    11  a "^thousand times :n\o# -                         / 
 5 4  17 3010 1 2 h    11  I ^think actually that . [dhi:] :lady who`s !asked / 
 5 4  17 3010 1 1 h    11  this :qu\estion# .                                 / 
 5 4  18 3020 1 2 h    11  per^haps hasn`t read . Mr :Shinwell`s !speech      / 
 5 4  18 3020 1 1 h    11  com!pl\/etely#                                     / 
 5 4  18 3030 1 1 h    11  or in . [@ i] in ^absolute !d\/etail# .            / 
 5 4  18 3040 1 1 h    11  because he ^did make it absolutely !cl\ear#        / 
 5 4  18 3050 1 1 h    11  that in ^putting forward this pro:p\/osal# .       / 
 5 4  18 3060 1 1 h    11  ^for . a !standing com:m\/ittee#                   / 
 5 4  18 3070 1 1 h    11  [@:] con^sisting of :members of :all !p\/arties# . / 
 5 4  18 3080 1 1 h    11  to con^s\ider#                                     / 
 5 4  18 3090 1 1 h    11  de^fence matters !r\/egularly# .                   / 
 5 4  18 3100 1 1 h    11  and to dis^cuss [dhi:] . :main !l\ines#            / 
 5 4  18 3110 1 1 h    11  of ^{str\ategy} and !t\actics# .                   / 
 5 4  18 3120 1 1 h    11  [@:] in ^putting :f\orward this pro:p/osal#        / 
 5 4  18 3130 1 1 h    11  he ^made it !very cl\/ear#                         / 
 5 4  18 3140 1 1 h    11  that ^he did !not n\ecessarily#                    / 
 5 4  18 3150 1 1 h    11  ^m\/ean# .                                         / 
 5 4  18 3160 1 1 h    11  or in ^fact !didn`t mean at !\all#                 / 
 5 4  18 3170 1 2 h    11  that ^there should be !anything approaching a      / 
 5 4  18 3170 1 1 h    11  coa!l\ition# -                                     / 
 5 4  18 3180 1 1 h    11  ^what he was !\asking for#                         / 
 5 4  19 3190 1 1 h    11  ^w\/as# .                                          / 
 5 4  19 3200 1 1 h    11  that [dhi:] ^Oppo!s\ition# .                       / 
 5 4  19 3210 1 1 h    11  that Her "^M\ajesty`s Oppo_sition# .               / 
 5 4  19 3220 1 1 h    11  which ^has a !very im!portant part to :pl\ay#      / 
 5 4  19 3230 1 1 h    11  in our ^whole consti!t\utional {^str\ucture#}# .   / 
 5 4  19 3240 1 1 h    11  that Her ^Majesty`s Oppos\/ition#                  / 
 5 4  19 3250 1 1 h    11  ^should be :kept in!f\/ormed#                      / 
 5 4  19 3260 1 1 h    11  "^by Her :Majesty`s !G\/overnment# .               / 
 5 4  19 3270 1 1 h    11  ^of the !main and most !cr\ucial# .                / 
 5 4  19 3280 1 1 h    11  de^v\/elopments#                                   / 
 5 4  19 3290 1 1 h    11  ^in de!f\ence# -                                   / 
 5 4  19 3300 1 2 h    11  and I ^think Mr Shinwell had a :very im!p\ortant   / 
 5 4  19 3300 1 1 h    11  contri_bution {to ^m\ake#}# .                      / 
 5 4  19 3310 1 1 h    11  ^when he !s\aid that# .                            / 
 5 4  19 3320 1 1 h    11  ^I !p\ersonally :h/ope# .                          / 
 5 4  19 3330 1 2 h    11  that ^something m/ay come !\out . {of this         / 
 5 4  19 3330 1 1 h    11  ^recommend\ation#}# .                              / 
 5 4  19 3340 1 2 h    11  the ^Prime Minister didn`t !happen to be in the    / 
 5 4  19 3340 1 1 h    11  :H/ouse#                                           / 
 5 4  19 3350 1 1 h    11  when he ^made this !sp\eech# .                     / 
 5 4  19 3360 1 1 h    11  but he ^did "!\add#                                / 
 5 4  20 3370 1 1 h    11  with ^due hu!m\ility# .                            / 
 5 4  20 3380 1 1 h    11  ^as he`s !now a !b\ack_bencher# .                  / 
 5 4  20 3390 1 2 h    11  ^that he 'hoped that :this would be :brought to the/ 
 5 4  20 3390 1 1 h    11  :Prime Minister`s !n\/otice# .                     / 
 5 4  20 3400 1 2 h    11  ^and that !something 'might per'haps be !d\one     / 
 5 4  20 3400 1 1 h    11  a_bout it# .                                       / 
 5 4  20 3410 1 1 h    11  but I ^do sin!c\erely {^h\ope#}#                   / 
 5 4  20 3420 1 2 h    11  that ^this country does "!n\ot {have a             / 
 5 4  20 3420 1 1 h    11  coa^l\ition#}#                                     / 
 5 4  20 3430 1 1 h    11  there ^is a "!deep div\ision# .                    / 
 5 4  20 3440 1 1 h    11  ^both on !econ!=omic#                              / 
 5 4  20 3450 1 1 h    11  ^and on !s=ocial {af^f=airs#}# .                   / 
 5 4  20 3460 1 1 h    11  ^and 'I th=ink# .                                  / 
 5 4  20 3470 1 1 h    11  on ^f\oreign aff/airs# .                           / 
 5 4  20 3480 1 1 h    11  and "^also on defence m=atters#                    / 
 5 4  20 3490 1 1 h    11  al^though Mr !Sh\inwell#                           / 
 5 4  20 3500 1 2 h    11  was ^asking for !defence to be taken 'out of       / 
 5 4  20 3500 1 1 h    11  p\olitics# .                                       / 
 5 4  20 3510 1 1 h    11  I ^think there is !st\ill# .                       / 
 5 4  20 3520 1 1 h    11  [@] ^there are {!st\ill} "!two s\ides#             / 
 5 4  20 3530 1 1 h    11  on de^fence matters in !th=is _country#            / 
 5 4  20 3540 1 1 h    11  ^and in the !w\orld# .                             / 
 5 4  21 3550 1 2 h    11  I`m ^all for those :two sides :getting             / 
 5 4  21 3550 1 1 h    11  to!g\ether# .                                      / 
 5 4  21 3560 1 1 h    11  and ^having in!f\ormed#                            / 
 5 4  21 3570 1 1 h    11  dis^c\/ussion#                                     / 
 5 4  21 3580 1 1 h    11  which I ^think is what Mr :Shinwell :w\anted# .    / 
 5 4  21 3590 1 1 h    11  but I ^think it`s !quite imp=ossible#              / 
 5 4  21 3600 1 2 h    11  to have "^any form of coa:l\ition on the           / 
 5 4  21 3600 1 1 h    11  _subject# -                                        / 
 5 4  21 3610 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  21 3620 1 1 f    11  ^Victor !M/ishcon# - -                             / 
 5 4  21 3630 1 1 v    11  ^Honor Balfour was quite r/ight#                   / 
 5 4  21 3640 1 1 v    11  in her ^summary of what Emmanuel Shinwell s\aid# - / 
 5 4  21 3650 1 1 v    11  was ^l\argely you kn/ow#                           / 
 5 4  21 3660 1 1 v    11  be^cause . [@m] - Em!manuel Shinwell th\ought#     / 
 5 4  21 3670 1 2 v    11  and he ^is after all a !pr\evious Defence          / 
 5 4  21 3670 1 1 v    11  M/inister# .                                       / 
 5 4  21 3680 1 1 v    11  that you ^can`t have in:formed o:p\inion# .        / 
 5 4  21 3690 1 1 v    11  ^on this !v\ital m/atter# .                        / 
 5 4  21 3700 1 1 v    11  with^out being kept !v\ery much up to d/ate# .     / 
 5 4  22 3710 1 1 v    11  with the ^l/atest f\acts {of de^f\ence#}# -        / 
 5 4  22 3720 1 1 v    11  now ^what "\is wr/ong#                             / 
 5 4  22 3730 1 1 v    11  with a ^coalition g\overnment# -                   / 
 5 4  22 3740 1 1 v    11  of ^course you "!n\eed a coalition g/overnment#    / 
 5 4  22 3750 1 1 v    11  in ^time of cr/isis# -                             / 
 5 4  22 3760 1 2 v    11  but the ^dreadful "p\art of a coalition government / 
 5 4  22 3760 1 1 v    11  you :kn/ow# .                                      / 
 5 4  22 3770 1 1 v    11  is that to ^{k/eep it} a"l/ive# .                  / 
 5 4  22 3780 1 1 v    11  you ^have to go in for !one c/ompromise#           / 
 5 4  22 3790 1 1 v    11  ^after an\other# -                                 / 
 5 4  22 3800 1 1 v    11  you ^have you see _people :sitting r/ound#         / 
 5 4  22 3810 1 1 v    11  the ^c/abinet _room# .                             / 
 5 4  22 3820 1 1 v    11  with ^different v/iews# .                          / 
 5 4  22 3830 1 1 v    11  and un^less there can be a :shifting of op/inion# ./ 
 5 4  22 3840 1 1 v    11  to^wards !some !f\orm of c/ompromise#              / 
 5 4  22 3850 1 1 v    11  be^tween those :different !v/iews# .               / 
 5 4  22 3860 1 1 v    11  the ^coalition government f/alls# .                / 
 5 4  22 3870 1 1 v    11  and ^we become . another Fr\ance# -                / 
 5 4  22 3880 1 1 v    11  now ^I !d\o bel/ieve#                              / 
 5 4  22 3890 1 1 v    11  that the ^whole qu\estion {of de^f\ence#}# -       / 
 5 4  22 3900 1 2 v    11  the ^whole question of a :stand upon summit        / 
 5 4  22 3900 1 1 v    11  t\alks# .                                          / 
 5 4  22 3910 1 2 v    11  the ^whole reaction as to to :whether Britain ought/ 
 5 4  22 3910 1 1 v    11  to :take a :l\ead#                                 / 
 5 4  23 3920 1 1 v    11  in this ^question of the \H bomb# -                / 
 5 4  23 3930 1 2 v    11  (coughs) as to ^whether we ought to - :have that   / 
 5 4  23 3930 1 1 v    11  "!m\oral# .                                        / 
 5 4  23 3940 1 1 v    11  ^l/eadership#                                      / 
 5 4  23 3950 1 1 v    11  and give that ^moral ex/ample# .                   / 
 5 4  23 3960 1 1 v    12  ^by !saying "!n\ot . we ^unilaterally . :dis\arm# -/ 
 5 4  23 3970 1 1 v    11  ^that I`ve "n/ever _said# .                        / 
 5 4  23 3980 1 1 v    11  and ^that many members of my :own P/arty# .        / 
 5 4  23 3990 1 1 v    11  "^m\ost members of my :own !P/arty#                / 
 5 4  23 4000 1 1 v    11  ^have !never bel\ieved in# -                       / 
 5 4  23 4010 1 2 v    11  ^what we "!d\o say at this m/oment {as the         / 
 5 4  23 4010 1 1 v    11  ^Oppo!s/ition#}#                                   / 
 5 4  23 4020 1 1 v    11  ^is _th\is# .                                      / 
 5 4  23 4030 1 1 v    11  for ^h/\eaven`s _sake#                             / 
 5 4  23 4040 1 1 v    11  ^give a l\ead# -                                   / 
 5 4  23 4050 1 1 v    11  and . "^tr/y and {^br/eak {d/own#}#}# .            / 
 5 4  23 4060 1 1 v    11  this ^dreadful sui:cidal w/all#                    / 
 5 4  23 4070 1 1 v    11  where ^no one will :yield an \inch# -              / 
 5 4  23 4080 1 1 v    11  ^say that you 'do :not in fact int\end#            / 
 5 4  23 4090 1 1 v    11  ^over the !next !six m\onths . if you :l/ike# .    / 
 5 4  24 4100 1 1 v    11  to ^have any more t\ests# -                        / 
 5 4  24 4110 1 1 v    11  ^say . "s\omething#                                / 
 5 4  24 4120 1 1 v    11  that can ^start the dis:armament talks g\oing# .   / 
 5 4  24 4130 1 1 v    11  now ^if you "f\irmly believe in th/at# .           / 
 5 4  24 4140 1 1 v    11  "^don`t go in for a coal\ition# .                  / 
 5 4  24 4150 1 1 v    11  be^c\ause as I`ve :s/aid# .                        / 
 5 4  24 4160 1 2 v    11  ^that`s a !very . "!v\ital contribution I          / 
 5 4  24 4160 1 1 v    11  be:l/ieve# .                                       / 
 5 4  24 4170 1 1 v    11  to^wards the !peace of the :w/orld#                / 
 5 4  24 4180 1 1 v    11  and to^wards our !own de!fence p\olicy# .          / 
 5 4  24 4190 1 1 v    11  and "^don`t go in for s\/omething# .               / 
 5 4  24 4200 1 1 v    11  which ^might mean a c\ompromise# .                 / 
 5 4  24 4210 1 1 v    11  but "^do by "!\all _means {^s\ee#}# .              / 
 5 4  24 4220 1 1 v    11  that the ^Opposition is kept !pr\operly inf/ormed# / 
 5 4  24 4230 1 1 v    11  as they ^sh\/ould _be# .                           / 
 5 4  24 4240 1 1 v    11  of de^fence measures for the c\ountry# - -         / 
 5 4  24 4250 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  25 4260 1 1 f    11  ^Colin H/odgkinson#                                / 
 5 4  25 4270 1 1 c    11  ^well of !c=ourse#                                 / 
 5 4  25 4280 1 1 c    11  ^Victor :[mish@n] . has got a view to !p/ut# -     / 
 5 4  25 4290 1 2 c    11  [@] be^cause [@] in :this par!ticular re:spect he`s/ 
 5 4  25 4290 1 1 c    11  :batting on a bad w\icket# -                       / 
 5 4  25 4300 1 1 c    11  [@] his ^own p/arty#                               / 
 5 4  25 4310 1 1 c    11  a^g/ain# .                                         / 
 5 4  25 4320 1 1 c    11  is ^r\ift# - -                                     / 
 5 4  25 4330 1 1 c    11  they ^\are# -                                      / 
 5 4  25 4340 1 1 c    11  at ^variance with one an/other# .                  / 
 5 4  25 4350 1 1 c    11  ^Mr !Sh/inwell# .                                  / 
 5 4  25 4360 1 1 c    11  ^Mr Br/own# .                                      / 
 5 4  25 4370 1 2 c    11  who ^I - was . ap:peared on a :television programme/ 
 5 4  25 4370 1 1 c    11  with the other d/ay# -                             / 
 5 4  25 4380 1 1 c    11  ^after it was all /over#                           / 
 5 4  25 4390 1 1 c    11  he ^turned round to m/e#                           / 
 5 4  25 4400 1 1 c    11  and we were dis^cussing the /H _bomb#              / 
 5 4  25 4410 1 2 c    11  he((`d)) ^said - well you know it`s :all very      / 
 5 4  25 4410 1 1 c    11  :w\/ell#                                           / 
 5 4  25 4420 1 1 c    11  but [@m] - ^\I get /up#                            / 
 5 4  25 4430 1 2 c    11  and ^talk about ((it)) in the House of Commons     / 
 5 4  25 4430 1 1 c    11  about the :H bomb and de!f=ence# .                 / 
 5 4  25 4440 1 2 c    11  ^and [@] but of :course he said I only talk for    / 
 5 4  25 4440 1 1 c    11  half the :p\arty# -                                / 
 5 4  26 4450 1 1 c    11  and [@: ?] ^h\ow . {the ^S\ocialists#}# -          / 
 5 4  26 4460 1 1 c    11  can ^th\ink# .                                     / 
 5 4  26 4470 1 1 c    11  ^p\ossibly#                                        / 
 5 4  26 4480 1 2 c    12  that ^they`re [g@n] or the ^Labour Party as they   / 
 5 4  26 4480 1 1 c    12  like to :c\all {them^s\elves#}# .                  / 
 5 4  26 4490 1 1 c    11  can ^h\ave#                                        / 
 5 4  26 4500 1 1 c    11  [@:] . a ^coalition with the "!T\ories#            / 
 5 4  26 4510 1 1 c    11  when they ^can`t even af:f\ord#                    / 
 5 4  26 4520 1 1 c    11  [@] or or or ^\implement#                          / 
 5 4  26 4530 1 1 c    11  a ^proper coalition amongst them"!s\/elves# .      / 
 5 4  26 4540 1 2 c    11  [?@ @ @] ^I am [@?] !quite unable to               / 
 5 4  26 4540 1 1 c    11  under:st\and# .                                    / 
 5 4  26 4550 1 1 c    11  I ^say this in :spite of the :f\act#               / 
 5 4  26 4560 1 1 c    11  [@:] that ^I am !p\/ersonally# .                   / 
 5 4  26 4570 1 1 c    11  a ^fan of Mr Sh\inwell# .                          / 
 5 4  26 4580 1 2 c    11  [@m] ^quite 'why he`s not in the Con:servative     / 
 5 4  26 4580 1 1 c    11  :Party 'I don`t !kn\ow#                            / 
 5 4  26 4590 1 1 c    11  be^cause his !views are :very much at !v\ariance#  / 
 5 4  26 4600 1 1 c    11  with ^most of the Labour !l\eaders# .              / 
 5 4  27 4610 1 1 c    11  or ^not the !l\eaders#                             / 
 5 4  27 4620 1 2 c    11  but [@] . the "^g\inger _group {as ^they`re        / 
 5 4  27 4620 1 1 c    11  c\alled#}# .                                       / 
 5 4  27 4630 1 1 c    11  [@:] - "^n\o# .                                    / 
 5 4  27 4640 1 1 c    11  ^I do !not agree ":\also# .                        / 
 5 4  27 4650 1 1 c    11  ^with [@:] . Miss !B=alfour#                       / 
 5 4  27 4660 1 1 c    11  with ^Honor !B/alfour# .                           / 
 5 4  27 4670 1 1 c    11  [@:] ^there is "!b\/asically# .                    / 
 5 4  27 4680 1 2 c    11  be^tween . [dhi:] . !right wing of the :L\abour    / 
 5 4  27 4680 1 1 c    11  P/arty#                                            / 
 5 4  27 4690 1 1 c    12  ^which is in - ^which is the of!ficial :w/ing#     / 
 5 4  27 4700 1 1 c    11  and the Con^s\ervative :P/arty#                    / 
 5 4  27 4710 1 2 c    12  ^there is . [@:] ^they are !not at :variance with  / 
 5 4  27 4710 1 1 c    12  one another ex:cept on . on :nationaliz!=ation# .  / 
 5 4  27 4720 1 1 c    11  and ^on f\inance# .                                / 
 5 4  27 4730 1 1 c    11  I ^do not th\ink#                                  / 
 5 4  27 4740 1 1 c    11  [@: @:] how^\/ever#                                / 
 5 4  27 4750 1 1 c    11  that ^they could !k\/eep# .                        / 
 5 4  27 4760 1 2 c    11  the ^Labour Party could !keep their :other wing    / 
 5 4  27 4760 1 1 c    11  under con:tr/ol#                                   / 
 5 4  27 4770 1 1 c    11  ^I think it "!qu\ite {im^p\ossible#}# .            / 
 5 4  27 4780 1 1 c    11  that ^there would :be . !any . "l/\ikelihood# .    / 
 5 4  28 4790 1 1 c    11  of [dhi:] . "^c\ountry# .                          / 
 5 4  28 4800 1 1 c    11  [@:] "^g\aining# .                                 / 
 5 4  28 4810 1 1 c    11  ^out of there :b\eing#                             / 
 5 4  28 4820 1 1 c    11  [?@:] a ^coa:l\ition# .                            / 
 5 4  28 4830 1 1 c    11  ^c\ertainly# .                                     / 
 5 4  28 4840 1 1 c    11  in [@m] . with^in the :next - year or two y\ears#  / 
 5 4  28 4850 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil _B/achelor# -                              / 
 5 4  28 4860 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  28 4870 1 1 d    11  ^these !/\answers#                                 / 
 5 4  28 4880 1 1 d    11  have been . ^very re!v\ealing#                     / 
 5 4  28 4890 1 1 d    11  and [i?@?] ^\interesting _to# .                    / 
 5 4  28 4900 1 2 d    11  "^one who . ":really has :made !no "!!st\udy of    / 
 5 4  28 4900 1 1 d    11  _politics#                                         / 
 5 4  28 4910 1 1 d    11  it`s "^f\ascinating {to ^m\e#}# -                  / 
 5 4  28 4920 1 1 d    11  I was ^thinking of :standing my!!s/elf# .          / 
 5 4  28 4930 1 2 d    11  ^as a !candidate . [@:] :representing . "!National / 
 5 4  28 4930 1 1 d    11  . Conservative . !Liberal . !L\abour#              / 
 5 4  28 4940 1 1 d    11  (laughs) - - [a@@] ^r/eally#                       / 
 5 4  28 4950 1 1 d    11  a ^coal/ition#                                     / 
 5 4  28 4960 1 1 d    11  ^g/overnment#                                      / 
 5 4  28 4970 1 1 d    11  ^in "!\one# .                                      / 
 5 4  28 4980 1 1 d    11  I ob"^served that we :c/annot#                     / 
 5 4  29 4990 1 1 d    11  "^h\ave a coalition g/overnment#                   / 
 5 4  29 5000 1 1 d    11  be^cause . they are "!no use at ":\/all# .         / 
 5 4  29 5010 1 1 d    11  un^less you are in "!d\esperate [st/eits]# -       / 
 5 4  29 5020 1 1 d    11  ^str/aits#                                         / 
 5 4  29 5030 1 1 d    11  and ^then they are the "!\only th/ing# .           / 
 5 4  29 5040 1 1 d    11  "^two wars have pr/oved it# .                      / 
 5 4  29 5050 1 1 d    11  that can ^p/ossibly !!s\ave you# -                 / 
 5 4  29 5060 1 1 d    11  ^what an !awful th\ing#                            / 
 5 4  29 5070 1 2 d    11  if we ^thought of e:lecting a g/overnment which    / 
 5 4  29 5070 1 1 d    11  could !!s\ave us# -                                / 
 5 4  29 5080 1 1 d    11  ^in the present situ\ation#                        / 
 5 4  29 5090 1 1 d    11  "^let`s not do 'that what\ever _happens# -         / 
 5 4  29 5100 1 1 d    12  ^I`ll ![inst] . "^also a:g\/ainst them#            / 
 5 4  29 5110 1 1 d    11  there`s ^this . "m/\ost un_fortunate _thing#       / 
 5 4  29 5120 1 1 d    11  that ^once you`ve g/\ot#                           / 
 5 4  29 5130 1 1 d    11  [@ @ @] ^such a g/overnment# -                     / 
 5 4  29 5140 1 1 d    11  it - it ^doesn`t a'gree on 'every 'single p\oint# ./ 
 5 4  30 5150 1 1 d    11  now ^that`s dr/\eadful# .                          / 
 5 4  30 5160 1 1 d    11  ^some of them are all/owed#                        / 
 5 4  30 5170 1 1 d    11  to ^th/ink for them{^s/elves#}# .                  / 
 5 4  30 5180 1 1 d    11  ^/argue {for them^s/elves#}# .                     / 
 5 4  30 5190 1 1 d    11  and "^work out a so!!l\ution for them_selves# .    / 
 5 4  30 5200 1 1 d    11  I ^can`t im"agine anything ":w/orse#               / 
 5 4  30 5210 1 1 d    11  can "^y\ou# .                                      / 
 5 4  30 5220 1 1 d    11  ^what`s w/anted# .                                 / 
 5 4  30 5230 1 1 d    11  is a ^thoroughly united p/arty#                    / 
 5 4  30 5240 1 1 d    11  ^like the "!L\abour _Party# .                      / 
 5 4  30 5250 1 2 d    11  ex^cept that we`ve :just learnt that there`s an    / 
 5 4  30 5250 1 1 d    11  un:fortunate split !th\ere#                        / 
 5 4  30 5260 1 2 d    11  (laughs) ((from)) . [@: @h@ @] we are ^t/old       / 
 5 4  30 5260 1 1 d    11  {^th/is#}#                                         / 
 5 4  30 5270 1 1 d    11  ^by a Con!s/ervative#                              / 
 5 4  30 5280 1 1 d    11  who ^{w/ell} kn/ows#                               / 
 5 4  30 5290 1 1 d    11  that the ^state of !/amity#                        / 
 5 4  30 5300 1 2 d    11  be^tween say . {/Mr {Macm/illan}} and Mr           / 
 5 4  30 5300 1 1 d    11  "!Th/orney_croft# .                                / 
 5 4  30 5310 1 1 d    11  ^is . perhaps !hardly ex:c=eeded#                  / 
 5 4  30 5320 1 1 d    11  [@: ?] than ^by . the !state of \amity# .          / 
 5 4  31 5330 1 1 d    11  be^tween . the !rest of the Con:servative :P/arty# / 
 5 4  31 5340 1 1 d    11  ^and Mr "!Ll\oyd# .                                / 
 5 4  31 5350 1 1 c    11  he ^had the guts to re:s\ign th/ough#              / 
 5 4  31 5360 1 1 c    11  when he ^didn`t agree with the :g\overnment#       / 
 5 4  31 5370 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  31 5380 1 1 d    11  ^f/ine#                                            / 
 5 4  31 5390 1 1 d    11  ^that`s all r/ight#                                / 
 5 4  31 5400 1 1 d    11  I`m ^only saying that :they do split up t/oo# .    / 
 5 4  31 5410 1 1 d    11  and "^I would l/ike#                               / 
 5 4  31 5420 1 1 d    11  a [k@n] . ^I would like a :c\oalition :g/overnment#/ 
 5 4  31 5430 1 1 d    11  because if ^things are !half as :b\ad#             / 
 5 4  31 5440 1 1 d    11  as "^\any {of the ^p\apers#}#                      / 
 5 4  31 5450 1 1 d    11  ^tell me they =are# .                              / 
 5 4  31 5460 1 1 d    11  ^every :m=orning# .                                / 
 5 4  31 5470 1 1 d    11  the ^situation is :d=esperate#                     / 
 5 4  31 5480 1 1 d    11  and ^w=arrants#                                    / 
 5 4  31 5490 1 1 d    11  the "^best br\ains {of the ^c\ountry#}# .          / 
 5 4  31 5500 1 1 d    11  ^what"!\ever {their po^litical v\iews#}#           / 
 5 4  31 5510 1 1 aud  20  ( - - - applause)                                  / 
 5 4  32 5520 1 1 f    11  you ^know it is an _extra\ordinary th/ing#         / 
 5 4  32 5530 1 1 f    11  you [kn] I ^think you can "!n\ever f/ind#          / 
 5 4  32 5540 1 1 f    11  ^Members of Parliament a!gr\/eeing#                / 
 5 4  32 5550 1 1 f    11  to ^have a coalition g/overnment#                  / 
 5 4  32 5560 1 1 f    11  they`re ^all ap!p\arently#                         / 
 5 4  32 5570 1 1 f    11  ^dead ag/ainst _it#                                / 
 5 4  32 5580 1 1 f    11  but . it ^takes somebody like Denzil B/achelor#    / 
 5 4  32 5590 1 1 f    11  who`s "^out"s\ide it#                              / 
 5 4  32 5600 1 1 f    11  to ^say ((that)) he`s in f\avour _of it# .         / 
 5 4  32 5610 1 1 f    21  [@:] we ^go on to the "!next question from (name)  / 
 5 4  32 5620 1 4 II   20  (an Oxford woman statistician is reported to have  / 
 5 4  32 5620 1 3 II   20  said that three pounds ten and fivepence halfpenny / 
 5 4  32 5620 1 2 II   20  would feed a family of five for one week what does / 
 5 4  32 5620 1 1 II   20  the panel think about this)                        / 
 5 4  32 5630 1 1 f    11  ^Honor !B\/alfour#                                 / 
 5 4  32 5640 1 1 f    11  ^\obviously#                                       / 
 5 4  32 5650 1 1 f    11  I ^must 'ask you to start th/is _one# -            / 
 5 4  33 5660 1 1 h    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 4  33 5670 1 1 h    11  you ^kn/ow {^Fr/eddy#}#                            / 
 5 4  33 5680 1 1 h    11  I ^h/\aven`t got#                                  / 
 5 4  33 5690 1 1 h    11  a ^f/\amily#                                       / 
 5 4  33 5700 1 1 h    11  of ^f\/ive#                                        / 
 5 4  33 5710 1 1 h    11  at ^least not !y\et#                               / 
 5 4  33 5720 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  33 5730 1 1 f    11  ^/\oh _no#                                         / 
 5 4  33 5740 1 1 f    12  I ^wasn`t - I ^wasn`t sug:g\esting _that#          / 
 5 4  33 5750 1 1 f    11  ^n\o# - -                                          / 
 5 4  33 5760 1 1 f    11  but it`s ^what we call the :woman`s \angle#        / 
 5 4  33 5770 1 1 h    11  the ^woman`s \angle#                               / 
 5 4  33 5780 1 2 h    11  ^well now !let me try and think what 'is the       / 
 5 4  33 5780 1 1 h    11  woman`s \angle# - -                                / 
 5 4  33 5790 1 1 h    11  ^I !think most of the women in :this \audience#    / 
 5 4  33 5800 1 1 h    11  would ^pr/\obably a_gree#                          / 
 5 4  33 5810 1 1 h    11  with ^m/e# -                                       / 
 5 4  33 5820 1 1 h    11  ^if !I s\/aid# .                                   / 
 5 4  33 5830 1 1 h    11  that pro^v\/ided# .                                / 
 5 4  33 5840 1 1 h    11  ^that you had !/\absolutely#                       / 
 5 4  33 5850 1 1 h    11  ^n/\othing _else#                                  / 
 5 4  33 5860 1 1 h    11  to ^d\/o# .                                        / 
 5 4  33 5870 1 1 h    11  and that ^/\every _day#                            / 
 5 4  33 5880 1 1 h    11  was ^m\arket d/ay# .                               / 
 5 4  33 5890 1 1 h    11  ^and that !/every sh\op#                           / 
 5 4  33 5900 1 1 h    11  ^was !f\ull#                                       / 
 5 4  33 5910 1 1 h    11  of "^/\all the _things {you ^w\anted#}#            / 
 5 4  33 5920 1 1 h    11  at extra"^\ordinarily _cheap {^pr\ices#}# .        / 
 5 4  34 5930 1 2 h    11  ^none of which could of :course be "!\ever         / 
 5 4  34 5930 1 1 h    11  _possible#                                         / 
 5 4  34 5940 1 1 h    11  ^under !Colin Hodgkinson`s :g\/overnment# .        / 
 5 4  34 5950 1 1 h    11  ^then it 'might be 'possible to !do !th\is# -      / 
 5 4  34 5960 1 2 h    11  but ^failing :those con:ditions :being             / 
 5 4  34 5960 1 1 h    11  ful!f\/illed# .                                    / 
 5 4  34 5970 1 1 h    11  ^then I th/ink#                                    / 
 5 4  34 5980 1 1 h    11  we`re ^living in !cloud !c\uckoo _land# .          / 
 5 4  34 5990 1 1 h    11  and ^s\o I f/ear#                                  / 
 5 4  34 6000 1 1 h    11  is this ^Oxford !l\ady#                            / 
 5 4  34 6010 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  34 6020 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil _B/achelor#                                / 
 5 4  34 6030 1 1 d    11  ^I find those :f\igures#                           / 
 5 4  34 6040 1 1 d    11  "^v\ery _difficult#                                / 
 5 4  34 6050 1 1 d    11  to ^reconcile to re_/ality# .                      / 
 5 4  34 6060 1 1 d    11  the ^three pounds :ten and :f\ivepence# .          / 
 5 4  34 6070 1 1 d    11  ^I can :under!st/and#                              / 
 5 4  34 6080 1 1 d    11  but ^wh/\at is this _woman#                        / 
 5 4  34 6090 1 1 d    11  "^squandering that ":h\alfpenny on#                / 
 5 4  34 6100 1 1 d    20  (laughs)                                           / 
 5 4  34 6110 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  35 6120 1 2 d    12  [@:] . it [@] it - - it ^wouldn`t - - it ^wouldn`t / 
 5 4  35 6120 1 1 d    12  work in :m\y h/ouse#                               / 
 5 4  35 6130 1 1 d    11  ^I`ve got . :only !tw\o ch/ildren#                 / 
 5 4  35 6140 1 1 d    11  but "^b\oth my children :/eat#                     / 
 5 4  35 6150 1 1 d    11  and their ^father dr\inks# .                       / 
 5 4  35 6160 1 1 d    11  and . it ^wouldn`t go r\ound#                      / 
 5 4  35 6170 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  35 6180 1 1 f    11  it ^wouldn`t w\ork# *.*                            / 
 5 4  35 6190 1 1 f    11  ^Victor M/ishcon# -                                / 
 5 4  35 6200 1 1 ?    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 4  35 6210 1 1 v    11  this ^good l/ady# .                                / 
 5 4  35 6220 1 1 v    11  must ^really be l/ike# .                           / 
 5 4  35 6230 1 1 v    11  the ^statist/ician# -                              / 
 5 4  35 6240 1 1 v    11  ^who was de!scr/ibed# .                            / 
 5 4  35 6250 1 1 v    11  in ^most !m\oving t/erms# -                        / 
 5 4  35 6260 1 2 v    11  as ^very much like . [ei] . :drunk . man . and [ei]/ 
 5 4  35 6260 1 1 v    11  :l\amppost# -                                      / 
 5 4  35 6270 1 1 v    11  in ^other w=ords# .                                / 
 5 4  35 6280 1 1 v    11  it was ^used for sup:p=ort# -                      / 
 5 4  35 6290 1 1 v    11  and ^not for illumi:n\ation#                       / 
 5 4  35 6300 1 1 v    11  (laughs) - - and I ^r/\eally _think#               / 
 5 4  35 6310 1 1 v    11  she ^must have been end\/eavouring#                / 
 5 4  35 6320 1 1 v    11  to ^prove s\/omething#                             / 
 5 4  35 6330 1 1 v    11  I ^don`t 'quite know wh\at# -                      / 
 5 4  36 6340 1 1 v    11  it`s "^either the _sort of qu\/estion#             / 
 5 4  36 6350 1 1 v    11  I re^m=ember#                                      / 
 5 4  36 6360 1 1 v    11  we ^once had bef/ore#                              / 
 5 4  36 6370 1 1 v    11  as to ^whether you could :{d/o} with:/out# -       / 
 5 4  36 6380 1 1 v    11  ^any sort of :n\ormal f/ood# .                     / 
 5 4  36 6390 1 1 v    11  and ^just live on . :v\itamin t/ablets# -          / 
 5 4  36 6400 1 1 v    11  or ^whether she`s got some id/ea#                  / 
 5 4  36 6410 1 1 v    11  of a ^f=amily#                                     / 
 5 4  36 6420 1 1 v    11  of . ^dear little m/ice#                           / 
 5 4  36 6430 1 1 v    11  and ^not human b/eings# .                          / 
 5 4  36 6440 1 1 v    11  I ^just couldn`t "t\ell you# -                     / 
 5 4  36 6450 1 1 v    11  but "^heaven "!\only kn/ows#                       / 
 5 4  36 6460 1 1 v    11  ^how she !managed to :work this one \out# -        / 
 5 4  36 6470 1 1 v    11  but ^all \I can s/ay _is# .                        / 
 5 4  36 6480 1 1 v    11  ^my 'healthy f/amily# .                            / 
 5 4  36 6490 1 1 v    11  could "^n\ot l/ive#                                / 
 5 4  36 6500 1 2 v    11  ^on ((a)) !three pounds :ten and :fivepence        / 
 5 4  36 6500 1 1 v    11  !halfpenny a !w/\eek#                              / 
 5 4  36 6510 1 1 v    11  and she ^must have a most "!m\iserable _list#      / 
 5 4  36 6520 1 1 v    11  of ^f\/oods# -                                     / 
 5 4  36 6530 1 1 v    11  [@m i i] in ^order . to "!tr\y and :pr/ove#        / 
 5 4  36 6540 1 1 v    11  ^her p\oint#                                       / 
 5 4  37 6550 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  37 6560 1 1 f    11  ^C\olin H/odgkinson# -                             / 
 5 4  37 6570 1 1 c    11  the ^city of Oxford near which I l/ive# -          / 
 5 4  37 6580 1 2 c    11  is re^nowned for its boffins and its               / 
 5 4  37 6580 1 1 c    11  statis:t\icians# -                                 / 
 5 4  37 6590 1 1 c    11  but ^I p\/ersonally#                               / 
 5 4  37 6600 1 1 c    11  have ^never f\/ound#                               / 
 5 4  37 6610 1 1 c    11  a ^boffin or a :statis!t\ician# .                  / 
 5 4  37 6620 1 2 c    11  who ^worked things out in :th\eory {which ^ever    / 
 5 4  37 6620 1 1 c    11  came 'out in :pr\actice#}# -                       / 
 5 4  37 6630 1 1 c    11  ^I !personally would :not l\ike#                   / 
 5 4  37 6640 1 1 c    11  [@:] to ^kn\ow# .                                  / 
 5 4  37 6650 1 1 c    11  ex^actly what this good :l\ady# .                  / 
 5 4  37 6660 1 1 c    11  [@:] ex^pected her the "!w\ife of a _family#       / 
 5 4  37 6670 1 1 c    11  to ^give them to !\eat# -                          / 
 5 4  37 6680 1 1 c    11  my ^wife is a par:ticularly good :c\ook# .         / 
 5 4  37 6690 1 1 c    11  but ^G\od {^kn\ows#} {^what she`d !g\ive me#}#     / 
 5 4  37 6700 1 1 c    11  if I ^only gave her :three pound :ten a :w\eek# -  / 
 5 4  37 6710 1 1 c    11  ((for^g\ive me#)) - -                              / 
 5 4  37 6720 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  37 6730 1 1 f    11  ((it would be)) ^r\ather _interesting#             / 
 5 4  37 6740 1 1 f    11  to ^tr\y#                                          / 
 5 4  38 6750 1 1 f    11  ^w/ouldn`t it#                                     / 
 5 4  38 6760 1 1 f    11  ^just to see what :h/appens#                       / 
 5 4  38 6770 1 1 f    20  *((sylls))*                                        / 
 5 4  38 6780 1 1 c    11  *^oh no n\o#*                                      / 
 5 4  38 6790 1 1 f    11  now ^Honor B\alfour#                               / 
 5 4  38 6800 1 1 f    11  ^want to *come ((b\ack))#*                         / 
 5 4  38 6810 1 2 h    12  *well ^if* ^if [dhi: @] re:port which :I read was  / 
 5 4  38 6810 1 1 h    12  cor!r\ect# .                                       / 
 5 4  38 6820 1 1 h    11  [@] ^this particular lady was re!p\orted#          / 
 5 4  38 6830 1 1 h    11  as ^s\aying#                                       / 
 5 4  38 6840 1 1 h    11  ^f\inally#                                         / 
 5 4  38 6850 1 1 h    11  at the "^/\end {of an ^\interview#}#               / 
 5 4  38 6860 1 1 h    11  which she ^gave to !\one re:p/orter# .             / 
 5 4  38 6870 1 1 h    11  ^s/omething#                                       / 
 5 4  38 6880 1 1 h    11  to the ef^f\ect#                                   / 
 5 4  38 6890 1 1 h    11  that ^r\eally# -                                   / 
 5 4  38 6900 1 1 h    11  she`d ^worked things :\out#                        / 
 5 4  38 6910 1 1 h    11  be^cause she !wanted to kn\/ow#                    / 
 5 4  38 6920 1 1 h    11  if it was ^really p\ossible#                       / 
 5 4  38 6930 1 1 h    11  for a ^family . 'of !f\/ive# .                     / 
 5 4  38 6940 1 1 h    11  to ^l\/ive#                                        / 
 5 4  38 6950 1 1 h    11  ^on 'unem'ployment :p\ay# -                        / 
 5 4  38 6960 1 1 h    11  which ^seemed to :m\/e#                            / 
 5 4  38 6970 1 1 h    11  as ^though she was in !rather ca:h\/oots#          / 
 5 4  38 6980 1 1 h    11  with [dhi:] . ^three !s\o-c/alled#                 / 
 5 4  38 6990 1 1 h    11  ^wise !m\en# - -                                   / 
 5 4  39 7000 1 1 h    11  in ^other w\/ords#                                 / 
 5 4  39 7010 1 1 h    11  that ^she was !pl\anning#                          / 
 5 4  39 7020 1 1 h    11  for ^what [@:] our :fr\iend#                       / 
 5 4  39 7030 1 1 h    11  ^h\ere#                                            / 
 5 4  39 7040 1 1 h    11  ^Mr Colin !H\/odgkinson#                           / 
 5 4  39 7050 1 1 h    11  ^may be . pre!p\aring#                             / 
 5 4  39 7060 1 1 h    11  for ^our !f\uture# -                               / 
 5 4  39 7070 1 1 h    11  ^inci!d\/entally#                                  / 
 5 4  39 7080 1 1 h    11  ^I !did \once#                                     / 
 5 4  39 7090 1 1 h    11  ^know a !man who !lived on !gr\ass# -              / 
 5 4  39 7100 1 1 f    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 4  39 7110 1 1 f    11  ^so did \I#                                        / 
 5 4  39 7120 1 1 aud  20  ( - - laughter)                                    / 
 5 4  39 7130 1 1 f    11  I ^understand he`s d\ead {^n\ow#}#                 / 
 5 4  39 7140 1 1 d    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 4  39 7150 1 1 d    21  ^can I (([ha?]))                                   / 
 5 4  39 7160 1 1 f    11  - ^yes D/enzil#                                    / 
 5 4  39 7170 1 1 d    11  ^well I I !must s\/ay#                             / 
 5 4  39 7180 1 1 d    11  that if - if ^Honor :Balfour`s !r/\ight#           / 
 5 4  39 7190 1 1 d    11  and the . the ^good lady was !s\eeing#             / 
 5 4  39 7200 1 1 d    11  ^whether a !f\amily {of ^f\ive#}# -                / 
 5 4  39 7210 1 1 d    12  ^could ^this was an ex"!p\eriment# .               / 
 5 4  39 7220 1 1 d    11  to ^see whether a !family of :f\/ive#              / 
 5 4  40 7230 1 1 d    11  ^c/\ould live _on#                                 / 
 5 4  40 7240 1 2 d    11  ^three pound :ten and :fivepence !halfpenny a      / 
 5 4  40 7240 1 1 d    11  !w/eek# -                                          / 
 5 4  40 7250 1 1 d    11  it was . ^under'taken 'very [l/\aik]#              / 
 5 4  40 7260 1 1 d    11  [?@: @] ^very l/\ightly# .                         / 
 5 4  40 7270 1 1 d    11  sup^pose the ex!periment !f/\ailed#                / 
 5 4  40 7280 1 1 d    11  and ^all !five !d/\ied# -                          / 
 5 4  40 7290 1 1 d    11  ^had she !thought out !what to do !th/\en# - -     / 
 5 4  40 7300 1 1 f    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 4  40 7310 1 1 f    11  the ^h\alfpenny _wouldn`t go _very *far* _then#    / 
 5 4  40 7320 1 1 f    11  ^w\ould it# -                                      / 
 5 4  40 7330 1 1 f    20  (clears throat)                                    / 
 5 4  40 7340 1 1 d    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 4  40 7350 1 2 v    11  well she ^certainly :couldn`t have :thought of it  / 
 5 4  40 7350 1 1 v    11  under a :Tory government \anyway# - -              / 
 5 4  40 7360 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  40 7370 1 2 f    11  ^I !h\oped ((you)) were going to keep politics :out/ 
 5 4  40 7370 1 1 f    11  of !th/is _one#                                    / 
 5 4  40 7380 1 1 f    11  but ap^parently we *:c/an`t#*                      / 
 5 4  40 7390 1 1 d    11  *the* ^Labour 'Party never :c/\an# - -             / 
 5 4  40 7400 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  41 7410 1 1 f    11  but you ^kn/\ow _ladies {and ^g\entlemen#}#        / 
 5 4  41 7420 1 1 aud  20  ( - - applause)                                    / 
 5 4  41 7430 1 1 f    11  when ^all is said and d\one#                       / 
 5 4  41 7440 1 2 f    11  sta^tistics can be \awfully funny things if you    / 
 5 4  41 7440 1 1 f    11  don`t take them the right w/ay#                    / 
 5 4  41 7450 1 1 f    11  you ^kn\ow {that ^f\amous {^st=ory#}#}#            / 
 5 4  41 7460 1 1 f    11  of the ^two ladies who :m=et#                      / 
 5 4  41 7470 1 1 f    11  they ^hadn`t s\een each other for a long t/ime# -  / 
 5 4  41 7480 1 1 f    11  ((the)) ^first lady said to the . s=econd#         / 
 5 4  41 7490 1 1 f    11  she ^said my dear I`m being !\awfully _s/illy#     / 
 5 4  41 7500 1 1 f    11  but "^how many "ch\ildren have you :g/ot#          / 
 5 4  41 7510 1 1 f    11  I`ve ^quite forg/otten# -                          / 
 5 4  41 7520 1 1 f    11  and the ^other one s=aid#                          / 
 5 4  41 7530 1 1 f    11  [@:] . ^I`ve got "!thr\ee#                         / 
 5 4  41 7540 1 1 f    11  ^I`m not !g\oing to have any m/ore# .              / 
 5 4  41 7550 1 1 f    11  and ^/\oh#                                         / 
 5 4  41 7560 1 2 f    11  [dhi: @] ^first lady said well !that !\is          / 
 5 4  41 7560 1 1 f    11  surpr/ising#                                       / 
 5 4  41 7570 1 2 f    11  ((if)) you`ve ^got ((from)) :what you :\used to    / 
 5 4  41 7570 1 1 f    11  "t/ell me#                                         / 
 5 4  41 7580 1 1 f    11  I ^always im\/agined#                              / 
 5 4  41 7590 1 1 f    11  you were ^going to have a 'really 'large !f\amily# / 
 5 4  42 7600 1 1 f    11  ^oh !y\es said the _second _lady#                  / 
 5 4  42 7610 1 1 f    11  that`s "^quite tr/ue#                              / 
 5 4  42 7620 1 2 f    11  but you ^see I`ve !just been reading some          / 
 5 4  42 7620 1 1 f    11  sta:t\istics# -                                    / 
 5 4  42 7630 1 1 f    11  and I ^see by th/em#                               / 
 5 4  42 7640 1 1 f    11  that ^{/every} 'fourth 'child b/orn#               / 
 5 4  42 7650 1 1 f    11  is a ^J/apa!n\ese#                                 / 
 5 4  42 7660 1 1 aud  20  ( - - - laughter)                                  / 
 5 4  42 7670 1 2 f    11  "^I think we`d better go on to the next question   / 
 5 4  42 7670 1 1 f    11  fr=om#                                             / 
 5 4  42 7680 1 1 f    20  (name)                                             / 
 5 4  42 7690 1 4 II   20  (considering the financial state of the National   / 
 5 4  42 7690 1 3 II   20  Health Service and the increased contributions     / 
 5 4  42 7690 1 2 II   20  should astute foreigners be asked to pay for       / 
 5 4  42 7690 1 1 II   20  treatment)                                         / 
 5 4  42 7700 1 1 f    11  ^Victor _M/ishcon#                                 / 
 5 4  42 7710 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  42 7720 1 1 v    11  you ^know there`s "!!\one _thing#                  / 
 5 4  42 7730 1 1 v    11  that [@m] - a^m\azes me about this qu/estion# -    / 
 5 4  42 7740 1 1 v    11  it ^is the /use {of the ^w/ord#}# .                / 
 5 4  42 7750 1 1 v    11  as"^t\ute# .                                       / 
 5 4  43 7760 1 1 c    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 4  43 7770 1 1 h    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 4  43 7780 1 1 h    11  ^hear h\ear# -                                     / 
 5 4  43 7790 1 1 v    11  [@:m] I I ^don`t quite !under!st\and th/at# .      / 
 5 4  43 7800 1 1 v    11  I mean "^either [dhi] . the the :p\oint /is#       / 
 5 4  43 7810 1 1 v    11  that [@m] . ^f\oreigners#                          / 
 5 4  43 7820 1 1 v    11  ^coming over h/ere#                                / 
 5 4  43 7830 1 1 v    11  ^ought to be asked to pay for :tr/eatment#         / 
 5 4  43 7840 1 2 v    11  and ^shouldn`t have the :benefit of our . !National/ 
 5 4  43 7840 1 1 v    11  'Health S/ervice# -                                / 
 5 4  43 7850 1 1 v    11  [@:m] . ^or they !!sh\ouldn`t# -                   / 
 5 4  43 7860 1 1 v    11  [@:m] I ^don`t under!st\and#                       / 
 5 4  43 7870 1 2 v    11  the [dhi dhi dhi dhi] this [w@] this ^word as:t\ute/ 
 5 4  43 7870 1 1 v    11  at /all# -                                         / 
 5 4  43 7880 1 1 v    11  ^what "d\oes of course :h/appen#                   / 
 5 4  43 7890 1 1 v    11  is ^th\is you kn/ow#                               / 
 5 4  43 7900 1 2 v    11  that . there`s ^quite a :lot of :mutual            / 
 5 4  43 7900 1 1 v    11  ar!r\angement in re:g/ard to _it# -                / 
 5 4  43 7910 1 1 v    11  and ^many . [@] !Br\itish subjects going abr/oad# ./ 
 5 4  43 7920 1 1 v    11  have ^\also got the r/ight#                        / 
 5 4  44 7930 1 1 v    11  to . [@] ^take the b/enefit# .                     / 
 5 4  44 7940 1 1 v    11  of ^National Health . [@] :Service sch/emes# .     / 
 5 4  44 7950 1 1 v    11  in ^other !c\ountries# -                           / 
 5 4  44 7960 1 1 v    11  [@:] the ^other 'thing you kn/ow#                  / 
 5 4  44 7970 1 1 aud  20  ( - - no no)                                       / 
 5 4  44 7980 1 1(v    11  ^ooh there /are {^s/ome#}#                         / 
 5 4  44 7990 1 1 v    11  oh ^yes do do be!l\ieve me# .                      / 
 5 4  44 8000 1 2 v    11  and the ^other thing that I :did want to to !point / 
 5 4  44 8000 1 1 v    11  \out you kn/ow#                                    / 
 5 4  44 8010 1 1 v    11  is is ^th\is# .                                    / 
 5 4  44 8020 1 1 v    11  I`m ^told that . it !would take an !awful l\ot# -  / 
 5 4  44 8030 1 1 v    11  ^of ad!ministr/ation# -                            / 
 5 4  44 8040 1 1 v    11  ^to ex!c\ept foreigners 'from :th/is# -            / 
 5 4  44 8050 1 1 v    11  and that it`s ^far less :c\/ostly# .               / 
 5 4  44 8060 1 1 v    11  to ^have them . 'in the !sch\eme# .                / 
 5 4  44 8070 1 1 v    11  and to be ^able to take advantage \of it# .        / 
 5 4  44 8080 1 1 v    11  but I "^am going to adm\it# .                      / 
 5 4  44 8090 1 1 v    11  that ^there is !quite . [ei] :p\oint# -            / 
 5 4  44 8100 1 1 v    11  in ^any'one who !s\ays# .                          / 
 5 4  44 8110 1 1 v    11  if you ^manage to !pr\ove#                         / 
 5 4  45 8120 1 1 v    11  that he ^could save us :quite a 'bit of m/oney# -  / 
 5 4  45 8130 1 1 v    11  that ^foreigners !!c\oming over h/ere# .           / 
 5 4  45 8140 1 2 v    11  and ^coming from :countries where there "!\is no   / 
 5 4  45 8140 1 1 v    11  question of any mutual b/enefit# .                 / 
 5 4  45 8150 1 1 v    11  ^should be "\asked to _pay# -                      / 
 5 4  45 8160 1 1 v    11  I ^see no !earthly r\eason# .                      / 
 5 4  45 8170 1 1 v    11  in ^j\ustice# .                                    / 
 5 4  45 8180 1 1 v    11  why ^that should !not be d\one# .                  / 
 5 4  45 8190 1 1 v    11  but I "^am t/old#                                  / 
 5 4  45 8200 1 1 v    11  that the ^cost as I said of differ\/entiating#     / 
 5 4  45 8210 1 1 v    11  be^tw\/een _them# .                                / 
 5 4  45 8220 1 1 v    11  ^would a!mount to :m\/ore#                         / 
 5 4  45 8230 1 1 v    11  than the ^benefit of the sch\/eme# .               / 
 5 4  45 8240 1 1 v    11  and "^c\/ertainly#                                 / 
 5 4  45 8250 1 1 v    11  it ^does g/ive# .                                  / 
 5 4  45 8260 1 1 v    11  a ^very very . "!g\ood indi_cation#                / 
 5 4  45 8270 1 1 v    11  to ^foreigners !over !h/ere# .                     / 
 5 4  45 8280 1 1 v    11  ^coming 'as visitors :over !h/ere# .               / 
 5 4  45 8290 1 1 v    11  [@m] ^of . !wh\at our scheme is :l/ike# .          / 
 5 4  45 8300 1 2 v    11  and ^how !welcome they are made in our             / 
 5 4  45 8300 1 1 v    11  c\ountry# - -                                      / 
 5 4  46 8310 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil B/achelor# -                               / 
 5 4  46 8320 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  46 8330 1 2 d    11  [@] . I I ^I think 'this is a ":h\orrible          / 
 5 4  46 8330 1 1 d    11  {sug^g\estion#}# -                                 / 
 5 4  46 8340 1 1 d    11  if you ^ask "m/\e# .                               / 
 5 4  46 8350 1 1 d    11  this ^free . 'medical . "!tr\eatment# .            / 
 5 4  46 8360 1 1 d    11  ^of !foreigners :whether as!tute or :\otherwise#   / 
 5 4  46 8370 1 1 d    11  and ^they`re "!n\ot _marked#                       / 
 5 4  46 8380 1 1 d    11  on ^their !p\assports#                             / 
 5 4  46 8390 1 1 d    11  you [k@] you ^can`t !t\ell# .                      / 
 5 4  46 8400 1 1 d    11  ^are you an as!tute f/oreigner# .                  / 
 5 4  46 8410 1 1 d    11  or ^are you a !f/oreigner#                         / 
 5 4  46 8420 1 1 d    11  can ^anybody be s\ure# -                           / 
 5 4  46 8430 1 1 d    11  ^this 'is 'our 'greatest 'tourist at!tr/\action# . / 
 5 4  46 8440 1 1 d    11  ^this is even better :than !Stone!h\enge# -        / 
 5 4  46 8450 1 1 d    11  for "^y\ears#                                      / 
 5 4  46 8460 1 1 d    11  ^we have been im":p\orting# .                      / 
 5 4  46 8470 1 1 d    11  ^French . m\aids#                                  / 
 5 4  46 8480 1 1 d    11  ^who !have !come to \us#                           / 
 5 4  46 8490 1 1 d    11  and ^given the most !l\oyal {^s\ervice#}# .        / 
 5 4  46 8500 1 1 d    11  ^until . their :free dental :treatment is /over# . / 
 5 4  47 8510 1 1 d    11  ^when they ret/urn to Fr\ance# - - -               / 
 5 4  47 8520 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  47 8530 1 1 f    11  ^Honor B/alfour# -                                 / 
 5 4  47 8540 1 1 h    11  ^well I m/\ust _say#                               / 
 5 4  47 8550 1 1 h    11  since ^Denzil brings up Stoneh=enge#               / 
 5 4  47 8560 1 2 h    11  you ^know if we`re !really going to set            / 
 5 4  47 8560 1 1 h    11  Stone:h\enge#                                      / 
 5 4  47 8570 1 1 h    11  on its ^f=eet# .                                   / 
 5 4  47 8580 1 1 h    11  ^p\/ersonally#                                     / 
 5 4  47 8590 1 1 h    11  I`d ^rather 'set 'human b\eings on their _feet# -  / 
 5 4  47 8600 1 1 h    11  ^whether they be !Br/itishers#                     / 
 5 4  47 8610 1 1 h    11  ^or \otherwise# -                                  / 
 5 4  47 8620 1 1 h    11  it ^so h/appens#                                   / 
 5 4  47 8630 1 2 h    11  ^I have a !great deal of associ/ation with         / 
 5 4  47 8630 1 1 h    11  Am\ericans# .                                      / 
 5 4  47 8640 1 2 h    11  and I ^must say from :m/\y ex_perience             / 
 5 4  47 8640 1 1 h    11  {"^th\ere#}# .                                     / 
 5 4  47 8650 1 1 h    11  [dhi ?] ^National Health :S\ervice# .              / 
 5 4  47 8660 1 1 h    11  of which ^they are able to a:v\ail them_selves# .  / 
 5 4  47 8670 1 1 h    11  ^really p=ays for it_self#                         / 
 5 4  47 8680 1 1 h    11  ^over and :over ag\ain#                            / 
 5 4  48 8690 1 2 h    11  be^cause it is the !biggest and !cheapest 'boost   / 
 5 4  48 8690 1 1 h    11  for Br\itain# .                                    / 
 5 4  48 8700 1 2 h    11  that ^this country has :ever put over to that      / 
 5 4  48 8700 1 1 h    11  :dollar-earning c\ountry#                          / 
 5 4  48 8710 1 1 ?    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 4  48 8720 1 1(h    11  it ^really =is#                                    / 
 5 4  48 8730 1 1 h    11  it`s ^something . !qu\ite a_stounding# -           / 
 5 4  48 8740 1 2 h    11  the ^foreigners who !d\o avail themselves of our   / 
 5 4  48 8740 1 1 h    11  :H/ealth _Service#                                 / 
 5 4  48 8750 1 1 h    11  go ^back to their re:spective :c/ountries# .       / 
 5 4  48 8760 1 1 h    11  ^saying what a "!w\onderful country this :/is#     / 
 5 4  48 8770 1 1 h    11  what "^w\onderful _scien_tific#                    / 
 5 4  48 8780 1 1 h    11  a^ch=ievements we _have# .                         / 
 5 4  48 8790 1 2 h    11  what . ^wonderful de:votion we :have from they`ve  / 
 5 4  48 8790 1 1 h    11  :had from our !n=urses#                            / 
 5 4  48 8800 1 1 h    11  and our ^d=octors#                                 / 
 5 4  48 8810 1 1 h    11  and ^everyone has been so :k=ind to _them# .       / 
 5 4  48 8820 1 2 h    11  ^they !take back a !gl\owing _picture {of ^this    / 
 5 4  48 8820 1 1 h    11  c\ountry#}# .                                      / 
 5 4  48 8830 1 1 h    11  that ^Doctor Charles Hill could ":n\ever _paint#   / 
 5 4  49 8840 1 2 h    11  with "^all the 'money that he 'manages to 'get for / 
 5 4  49 8840 1 1 h    11  his 'infor'mation s\ervices# -                     / 
 5 4  49 8850 1 1 h    11  ^\I _think#                                        / 
 5 4  49 8860 1 2 h    11  for the ^sm\all a_mount of _money {that it ^d\oes  / 
 5 4  49 8860 1 1 h    11  _take#}# .                                         / 
 5 4  49 8870 1 1 h    11  it`s ^jolly well :w\orth it# .                     / 
 5 4  49 8880 1 1 h    11  ^both fi!n=ancially#                               / 
 5 4  49 8890 1 1 h    11  ^and in terms of human b\eings#                    / 
 5 4  49 8900 1 1 h    11  ^let`s st\ick to it#                               / 
 5 4  49 8910 1 1 h    11  and pro^gr\ess with it# -                          / 
 5 4  49 8920 1 1 f    11  ^Colin H/odgkinson# - -                            / 
 5 4  49 8930 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  49 8940 1 1 c    11  ^m\adam# -                                         / 
 5 4  49 8950 1 2 c    11  if ^\I _came {to ^any c\ountry {and                / 
 5 4  49 8950 1 1 c    11  re^c\eived#}#}# .                                  / 
 5 4  49 8960 1 1 c    11  a ^free Health S/ervice#                           / 
 5 4  49 8970 1 2 c    11  ^\I would go back {in ^glowing terms ((to)) that   / 
 5 4  49 8970 1 1 c    11  c\ountry#}# - -                                    / 
 5 4  49 8980 1 1 c    11  ^we have to :p\ay for it# -                        / 
 5 4  49 8990 1 1 c    11  ^I th=ink# .                                       / 
 5 4  49 9000 1 2 c    11  [@:] and I ^do not a:gree with Mr :Mishcon         / 
 5 4  49 9000 1 1 c    11  !h/ere# .                                          / 
 5 4  49 9010 1 1 c    11  he has ^said that . [@:] :anybody over :h=ere#     / 
 5 4  49 9020 1 1 c    11  can get a re^ciprocal service overs\eas#           / 
 5 4  50 9030 1 1 v    11  I ^said there 'are *"!s\ome re_ciprocal _services#*/ 
 5 4  50 9040 1 1 h    11  *^oh n/\o# .                                       / 
 5 4  50 9050 1 1 h    11  +((^n/\o _no#))*+                                  / 
 5 4  50 9060 1 1 c    11  +[?@:] I+ ^beg your p\ardon# .                     / 
 5 4  50 9070 1 1 c    11  I I I ^mish\eard you# .                            / 
 5 4  50 9080 1 1 c    11  there are "^some reciprocal :s/ervices#            / 
 5 4  50 9090 1 1 c    11  but ^I p\/ersonally#                               / 
 5 4  50 9100 1 2 c    12  have [@ng] ^having ^having had . :travelled a      / 
 5 4  50 9100 1 1 c    12  !little b/it# .                                    / 
 5 4  50 9110 1 1 c    11  have "^not received one ":y\et# .                  / 
 5 4  50 9120 1 1 c    20  [@]                                                / 
 5 4  50 9130 1 2 h    11  ((well)) you`ve ^not been to Belgium and *broken   / 
 5 4  50 9130 1 1 h    11  ((a))* :l\eg#                                      / 
 5 4  50 9140 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  50 9150 1 1 c    11  *((oh ^g\ood#* -                                   / 
 5 4  50 9160 1 1 c    11  ^B\elgium`s got one# .                             / 
 5 4  50 9170 1 1 c    11  glad to ^kn\ow about it#)) -                       / 
 5 4  50 9180 1 2 c    12  with [rig] with re^gard . with re^gard to the      / 
 5 4  50 9180 1 1 c    12  ad:minis:tr\/ation#                                / 
 5 4  50 9190 1 3 c    11  ^I . am in !not in any position to :s\ay {^whether / 
 5 4  50 9190 1 2 c    11  it would be :ch\eaper {or ^((whether)) it would be / 
 5 4  50 9190 1 1 c    11  n\ot#}#}# .                                        / 
 5 4  51 9200 1 1 c    11  but ^quite fr\/ankly#                              / 
 5 4  51 9210 1 1 c    11  as a ^man who has to pay :high t\/axes#            / 
 5 4  51 9220 1 1 c    11  for my^self and my :f\/amily#                      / 
 5 4  51 9230 1 2 c    11  as I`m ^sure everybody 'here ((is)) in the         / 
 5 4  51 9230 1 1 c    11  :\audience# .                                      / 
 5 4  51 9240 1 1 c    11  I ^strongly d\eprecate# .                          / 
 5 4  51 9250 1 1 c    11  ^f\oreigners#                                      / 
 5 4  51 9260 1 1 c    11  ^coming to this :c\ountry# .                       / 
 5 4  51 9270 1 1 c    11  and being ^\/able# .                               / 
 5 4  51 9280 1 1 c    11  to to "^\use#                                      / 
 5 4  51 9290 1 1 c    11  "^our s/ervice# .                                  / 
 5 4  51 9300 1 1 c    11  with"^\out _paying#                                / 
 5 4  51 9310 1 1 c    11  "^\/anything#                                      / 
 5 4  51 9320 1 1 c    11  ^for it at \all#                                   / 
 5 4  51 9330 1 1 aud  20  ( - - - applause)                                  / 
 5 4  51 9340 1 1 f    11  *^((Victor)) M/ishcon#*                            / 
 5 4  51 9350 1 1 v    11  *I I ^would like* to make :\one p/oint# .          / 
 5 4  51 9360 1 2 v    11  it`s a ^dreadful thing to :have to cor:rect Denzil / 
 5 4  51 9360 1 1 v    11  :B/achelor#                                        / 
 5 4  51 9370 1 1 v    11  be^cause I !think in the !whole of his l/ife#      / 
 5 4  52 9380 1 1 v    11  he`s been ^quite in:f/allible#                     / 
 5 4  52 9390 1 1 d    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 4  52 9400 1 2(v    11  but . on ^this occasion 'I . I I I I I :r\eally    / 
 5 4  52 9400 1 1(v    11  :m/ust#                                            / 
 5 4  52 9410 1 1 v    11  he`s a^gr\eeing w/ith me# .                        / 
 5 4  52 9420 1 1 v    11  [@m] . you ^kn/ow#                                 / 
 5 4  52 9430 1 1 v    11  ^if . French maids :d\o come over h/ere# .         / 
 5 4  52 9440 1 1 v    11  a^part from the :fact that they are ex!tr\emely#   / 
 5 4  52 9450 1 1 v    11  ^d\/ecorative#                                     / 
 5 4  52 9460 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 4  52 9470 1 1(v    11  he "^ought to know :\as a f/act# .                 / 
 5 4  52 9480 1 1 v    11  that ^they will !h\ave to p/ay#                    / 
 5 4  52 9490 1 1 v    11  their ^National 'Health contri:b=utions# .         / 
 5 4  52 9500 1 1 v    11  ^while they are em!pl\oyed#                        / 
 5 4  52 9510 1 1 v    11  as do^mestic !s/ervants# .                         / 
 5 4  52 9520 1 2 v    11  and they will ^therefore be !p\aying for their     / 
 5 4  52 9520 1 1 v    11  :d/entures# .                                      / 
 5 4  52 9530 1 2 v    11  and there is ^no question of their getting it      / 
 5 4  52 9530 1 1 v    11  completely fr\ee# .                                / 
 5 4  52 9540 1 1 v    11  I ^say this in de:f\ence# .                        / 
 5 4  53 9550 1 1 v    11  of the ^French l\adies#                            / 
 5 4  53 9560 1 1 v    11  who "^d\o#                                         / 
 5 4  53 9570 1 1 v    11  ap^pear in our :h/ome((s))#                        / 
 5 4  53 9580 1 1 v    11  ^somewhat oc:c/asionally# .                        / 
 5 4  53 9590 1 1 v    11  and "^very oc:c/asionally# .                       / 
 5 4  53 9600 1 1 v    11  and I I I . I ^didn`t want !D\enzil :B/achelor#    / 
 5 4  53 9610 1 2 v    11  as I ^said to !make . just this . !first           / 
 5 4  53 9610 1 1 v    11  mist\ake# .                                        / 
 5 4  53 9620 1 1 v    11  in the ^whole of his !v\ery _brilliant {^l\ife#}#  / 
 5 4  53 9630 1 1 d    11  ^th\ank you#                                       / 
 5 4  53 9640 1 1 f    11  *^Colin* H=odgkinson# -                            / 
 5 4  53 9650 1 2 c    11  *I -* - I`ve ^just heard . [@:] . a :lot of talk   / 
 5 4  53 9650 1 1 c    11  about :Fr\ench l/adies#                            / 
 5 4  53 9660 1 1 c    11  ^I have !never had one in :m\y h/ouse# -           / 
 5 4  53 9670 1 1 c    11  but ^I`m ad!v/ised#                                / 
 5 4  53 9680 1 2 c    11  that they are ^not quite as :good-looking as the   / 
 5 4  53 9680 1 1 c    11  :B\elgian _ladies# -                               / 
 5 4  53 9690 1 1 f    12  ^oh well that`s it ^y/es {Honor ^B/alfour#}#       / 
 5 4  54 9700 1 1 h    11  well ^over two "v\ery short points of _fact# -     / 
 5 4  54 9710 1 1 h    11  ^one =is#                                          / 
 5 4  54 9720 1 1 h    12  that it ^is . it ^is "\absolutely tr/ue#           / 
 5 4  54 9730 1 1 h    11  that there ^/are# .                                / 
 5 4  54 9740 1 1 h    11  spe^c\/ific#                                       / 
 5 4  54 9750 1 1 h    11  ^inter!n/ational {a^gr/eements#}#                  / 
 5 4  54 9760 1 1 h    11  be^tween /us#                                      / 
 5 4  54 9770 1 1 h    11  and at ^least three or four :\other c/ountries# -  / 
 5 4  54 9780 1 1 h    11  and ^/others {are in the ^/offing#}#               / 
 5 4  54 9790 1 2 h    11  to ^have re!ciprocal arrangements for :us to enjoy / 
 5 4  54 9790 1 1 h    11  ":th\eir _health _services# .                      / 
 5 4  54 9800 1 1 h    11  ^that is a 'matter of f\act#                       / 
 5 4  54 9810 1 1 h    11  and there`s ^no \arguing it# .                     / 
 5 4  54 9820 1 1 h    11  the ^other th/ing#                                 / 
 5 4  54 9830 1 1 h    11  is a ^mere matter of :l\ogic# .                    / 
 5 4  54 9840 1 1 h    11  ^that /is#                                         / 
 5 4  54 9850 1 2 h    11  if we are ^going to stop foreigners having the :use/ 
 5 4  54 9850 1 1 h    11  of our !h\ealth s/ervice# .                        / 
 5 4  54 9860 1 2 h    11  ^well then "!why should we [@]:[nei] en:\able      / 
 5 4  54 9860 1 1 h    11  _them#                                             / 
 5 4  54 9870 1 1 h    11  to ^have the !use of our po!l=ice {^s=ervices#}# . / 
 5 4  55 9880 1 1 h    11  ^our !r/oads# .                                    / 
 5 4  55 9890 1 1 h    11  or ^any other :s=ervices#                          / 
 5 4  55 9900 1 1 h    11  our our our hy^gienic services as w\ell#           / 
 5 4  55 9910 1 1 h    11  *- ^shut the lot from \everything#*                / 
 5 4  55 9920 1 1 c    11  *oh ^m\adam#                                       / 
 5 4  55 9930 1 1 c    11  ^don`t !mention _r\oads#*                          / 
 5 4  55 9940 1 1 c    11  ^don`t !mention r\oads {in ^th\is _country#}#      / 
 5 4  55 9950 1 1 d    11  ^c/an you h\ave#                                   / 
 5 4  55 9960 1 1 d    11  the ^fr\ee _health _services#                      / 
 5 4  55 9970 1 1 d    11  of ^witch d/octors#                                / 
 5 4  55 9980 1 1 d    11  ^when you are in Central _/Africa# - -             / 
 5 4  55 9990 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  5510000 1 1 f    11  I ^never !g\ot as far as :th/at# - -               / 
 5 4  5510010 1 1 f    11  (laughs) the ^team`s spl\it over :th/is# .         / 
 5 4  5510020 1 1 f    11  well ((well)) they`ll ^n\ever agr/ee#              / 
 5 4  5510030 1 1 f    11  ^qu/ite#                                           / 
 5 4  5510040 1 1 f    11  a^bout !th/is#                                     / 
 5 4  5510050 1 1 f    11  but [@m] . ^\I think we`d better go :/on#          / 
 5 4  5510060 1 1 f    11  to the ^next !qu\estion#                           / 
 5 4  5510070 1 1 f    20  from [@:m] (name)                                  / 
 5 4  5510080 1 3 II   20  (does the team think that the establishment of a   / 
 5 4  5510080 1 2 II   20  large holiday camp is of benefit to the surrounding/ 
 5 4  5510080 1 1 II   20  locality)                                          / 
 5 4  5610090 1 1 f    11  ^Colin H\odgkinson#                                / 
 5 4  5610100 1 2 f    11  ^wh/\at do _you {^f\eel a_bout {^h\oliday          / 
 5 4  5610100 1 1 f    11  _camps#}#}# -                                      / 
 5 4  5610110 1 2 c    11  [@:] . ^that`s what the Aus:tralians might call a  / 
 5 4  5610110 1 1 c    11  !c\urly one# -                                     / 
 5 4  5610120 1 1 d    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 4  5610130 1 1 c    11  (laughs) - it`s ^obviously an in:sp\ired#          / 
 5 4  5610140 1 1 c    11  ^qu\/estion#                                       / 
 5 4  5610150 1 1 c    11  be^cause I`m . im!\/agining#                       / 
 5 4  5610160 1 1 c    11  that ^Bognor :R=egis#                              / 
 5 4  5610170 1 1 c    11  has ^got a !h\oliday :c/amp#                       / 
 5 4  5610180 1 1 c    11  which is ^planted !just !next !d\oor to it# -      / 
 5 4  5610190 1 1 c    11  I ^don`t kn\ow# .                                  / 
 5 4  5610200 1 1 c    11  but I im^agine it :h\as# .                         / 
 5 4  5610210 1 1 c    11  I [@:] - - it de^p\ends#                           / 
 5 4  5610220 1 1 c    11  ^Bognor :R/egis#                                   / 
 5 4  5610230 1 1 c    11  was ^called !Bognor R/egis#                        / 
 5 4  5610240 1 1 c    12  be^cause it [@: - . dh] the ^qu=een came _down#    / 
 5 4  5710250 1 1 c    11  and [@] the ^k\ing# .                              / 
 5 4  5710260 1 1 c    11  [@] ^King George the :Fifth came d\own#            / 
 5 4  5710270 1 1 c    11  and ^spent his . conva!lescence down :h/ere# .     / 
 5 4  5710280 1 1 c    11  [@] and in the ^process of :t/ime#                 / 
 5 4  5710290 1 1 c    11  it`s ^built up [?@: ?@:] a :certain !tr/ade# .     / 
 5 4  5710300 1 1 c    11  [@] ^mostly :h\oliday :tr/ade#                     / 
 5 4  5710310 1 1 c    11  ^of a !certain !n\ature# .                         / 
 5 4  5710320 1 1 c    11  [@:] "^n/ow#                                       / 
 5 4  5710330 1 1 c    11  a ^holiday :camp c\omes#                           / 
 5 4  5710340 1 1 c    11  and ^plants it:s=elf#                              / 
 5 4  5710350 1 1 c    11  ^not in its m=idst#                                / 
 5 4  5710360 1 1 c    11  ((1 syll)) but ^on its [@:] . !/out{^sk/irts#}# .  / 
 5 4  5710370 1 2 c    11  and ^brings a !certain :different :type of . of of / 
 5 4  5710370 1 1 c    11  trade into the !d\istrict# .                       / 
 5 4  5710380 1 1 c    11  [@:] . ^times are ch\anging# -                     / 
 5 4  5710390 1 2 c    11  and I ^think that [@ . @:?] . !if we :set our      / 
 5 4  5710390 1 1 c    11  !heads against !pr/ogress# .                       / 
 5 4  5710400 1 1 c    11  ^people :like to :have people !work h=ard# .       / 
 5 4  5710410 1 1 c    11  ^m\ostly# .                                        / 
 5 4  5710420 1 1 c    11  ^work !harder than they !\used to d/o# .           / 
 5 4  5810430 1 1 c    11  and a ^lot of people :don`t want to be b\othered#  / 
 5 4  5810440 1 1 c    11  to ^organize their h\olidays# -                    / 
 5 4  5810450 1 1 c    11  [@:] ^w/ell#                                       / 
 5 4  5810460 1 1 c    11  you ^may be r/ight#                                / 
 5 4  5810470 1 1 c    11  you ^may be wr\ong# -                              / 
 5 4  5810480 1 1 c    11  [@:] - ^people l/ike# .                            / 
 5 4  5810490 1 1 c    11  it ^is a v/ogue#                                   / 
 5 4  5810500 1 1 c    11  it is a ^fashion n/ow#                             / 
 5 4  5810510 1 1 c    11  that ^people a!d\/ore#                             / 
 5 4  5810520 1 1 c    11  to ^have their [hodl@] !h\/olidays#                / 
 5 4  5810530 1 1 c    11  [@: ?] ^made _f\or them# .                         / 
 5 4  5810540 1 1 c    11  and I ^th\ink [@]# .                               / 
 5 4  5810550 1 1 c    11  with the ^greatest re:spect to :y\/ou#             / 
 5 4  5810560 1 1 c    11  ^((and)) I am . {!sp\eaking} from this !pl\atform# / 
 5 4  5810570 1 1 c    11  and ^not !l\iving#                                 / 
 5 4  5810580 1 1 c    11  in [@] ^Bognor :R\egis#                            / 
 5 4  5810590 1 1 c    11  so ^I am !not a "!s/ufferer#                       / 
 5 4  5810600 1 1 c    11  or what^ever you !like to !c\all it#               / 
 5 4  5810610 1 1 c    11  [@: ?] ^/\I _think#                                / 
 5 4  5810620 1 2 c    12  that ^if you [s] ^if you . !turn your :head        / 
 5 4  5810620 1 1 c    12  a!g\ainst#                                         / 
 5 4  5810630 1 1 c    11  [@:] ^having a !holiday :camp h=ere# .             / 
 5 4  5810640 1 2 c    11  ^one is !turning oneself against [@: @]            / 
 5 4  5810640 1 1 c    11  :pr\ogress# .                                      / 
 5 4  5910650 1 1 c    11  [@ i] ^of a certain t\ype# .                       / 
 5 4  5910660 1 1 c    11  if ^if you can {c\all} it pr\ogress# -             / 
 5 4  5910670 1 1 c    11  they are ^obviously :b\uilding# .                  / 
 5 4  5910680 1 1 c    11  ^bringing a !lot of new :b/usiness#                / 
 5 4  5910690 1 1 c    11  ^into the !t/own#                                  / 
 5 4  5910700 1 1 c    11  in the ^holiday :t/ime# .                          / 
 5 4  5910710 1 1 c    11  and [@: ?@:] ^I have :no par!t\icular _views#      / 
 5 4  5910720 1 1 c    11  on this ^s/ubject#                                 / 
 5 4  5910730 1 1 c    11  be^cause I !don`t have to s\uffer it#              / 
 5 4  5910740 1 1 c    11  if ^that`s the right w\ord# -                      / 
 5 4  5910750 1 1 f    11  [@:m] ^C/olin H\odgkinson# -                       / 
 5 4  5910760 1 1 f    11  ^isn`t it "tr\ue#                                  / 
 5 4  5910770 1 1 f    11  that ^some of these h\oliday _camps#               / 
 5 4  5910780 1 1 f    11  are com"^pletely :self-con:t\/ained# *.*           / 
 5 4  5910790 2 1 f    21  and they "^d\on`t bring much                       / 
 5 4  5910800 1 1 ?    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 4  5910790 1 1(f    11  business :into the !t/own#                         / 
 5 4  5910810 1 1 f    11  they`re en^t\irely#                                / 
 5 4  5910820 1 1 f    11  a ^self-contained !\/entity# .                     / 
 5 4  6010830 1 1 c    11  well ^s\ir# .                                      / 
 5 4  6010840 1 1 c    11  ^don`t ask :m\/e# .                                / 
 5 4  6010850 1 1 c    11  you ^ask the people *h\ere#                        / 
 5 4  6010860 1 1 c    11  ^they should :kn\ow#*                              / 
 5 4  6010870 1 1 f    11  *((1 syll)) ^I wouldn`t kn\ow#* .                  / 
 5 4  6010880 1 1 f    11  it`s ^only my i:d\/ea#                             / 
 5 4  6010890 1 1 f    11  ^Victor +M/ishcon#+                                / 
 5 4  6010900 1 1 c    11  +^((well))+ . you may be *r\ight#*                 / 
 5 4  6010910 1 1 v    11  *^well* - [@m] I`m !just w\ondering#               / 
 5 4  6010920 1 1 v    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 5 4  6010930 1 1 v    11  if ^that "\is _right#                              / 
 5 4  6010940 1 1 v    11  be^cause !quite \/obviously#                       / 
 5 4  6010950 1 1 v    11  the ^holiday :camp has :got to ":b\uy its#         / 
 5 4  6010960 1 2 v    11  [@m] - ^quite a :bit of its - [@m] {!f/ood {and    / 
 5 4  6010960 1 1 v    11  :st/uff}} l/ocally# .                              / 
 5 4  6010970 1 1 v    11  and ^quite obviously :people :wander ar/ound# .    / 
 5 4  6010980 1 1 v    11  [@] ^fr\om the h/oliday {^c/amp#}#                 / 
 5 4  6010990 1 1 v    11  and and ^visit the !seaside !c\entre#              / 
 5 4  6011000 1 1 v    11  but the ^point 'I w\ant to m/ake#                  / 
 5 4  6011010 1 1 v    11  ^is th\is# -                                       / 
 5 4  6011020 1 1 v    11  ^I 'do regr\et you kn/ow#                          / 
 5 4  6011030 1 1 v    11  this . "^growing . "h\abit#                        / 
 5 4  6111040 1 1 v    11  of de^crying . English . !s\easide :pl/aces# .     / 
 5 4  6111050 1 1 v    11  ^as a !place in !which to :spend a !h\oliday# -    / 
 5 4  6111060 1 1 v    11  I ^think it`s "!t\erribly imp/ortant# .            / 
 5 4  6111070 1 1 v    11  that ^p\/eople#                                    / 
 5 4  6111080 1 1 v    11  es^pecially "y\oung p/eople#                       / 
 5 4  6111090 1 1 v    11  should ^go abr\oad# -                              / 
 5 4  6111100 1 1 v    11  and ^get to kn/ow# .                               / 
 5 4  6111110 1 1 v    11  [@:m] the ^h/abits#                                / 
 5 4  6111120 1 1 v    11  and the ^c/ustoms#                                 / 
 5 4  6111130 1 1 v    11  and the ^w/ays# .                                  / 
 5 4  6111140 1 1 v    11  of . ^/other !p\eoples# -                          / 
 5 4  6111150 1 1 v    11  but I ^think it`s a "!dr\eadful {^th\ing#}#        / 
 5 4  6111160 1 1 v    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 5 4  6111170 1 2 v    11  to ^grow 'up . and !not know the :beauties of your / 
 5 4  6111170 1 1 v    11  :own c\ountry# -                                   / 
 5 4  6111180 1 1 v    11  and . "^if the :h\oliday c/amps# .                 / 
 5 4  6111190 1 1 v    11  are ^making it :\/easier# .                        / 
 5 4  6111200 1 1 v    11  for ^people . to . "!c\ome#                        / 
 5 4  6111210 1 1 v    11  to ^\English#                                      / 
 5 4  6111220 1 1 v    11  ^s\easide#                                         / 
 5 4  6111230 1 1 v    11  ^pl/aces#                                          / 
 5 4  6111240 1 1 v    11  and ^other !b\eautiful {^pl\aces#}#                / 
 5 4  6111250 1 1 v    11  ^in this c/ountry#                                 / 
 5 4  6111260 1 2 v    11  be it ^England 'Scotland :Wales or !\Ireland for   / 
 5 4  6111260 1 1 v    11  that m/atter# -                                    / 
 5 4  6211270 1 1 v    11  ^then I 'think it`s a 'very 'good th\ing# -        / 
 5 4  6211280 1 1 v    11  and "^if !y\ou kn/ow#                              / 
 5 4  6211290 1 1 v    11  ^in [ei] !s\easide pl/ace# -                       / 
 5 4  6211300 1 1 v    11  that there ^will 'be [ei] !holiday c\amp# -        / 
 5 4  6211310 1 1 v    11  ^come !good w\eather# -                            / 
 5 4  6211320 1 1 v    11  ^come b\ad _weather# -                             / 
 5 4  6211330 1 2 v    11  and you ^know that a !certain number of people will/ 
 5 4  6211330 1 1 v    11  be :coming 'in'to 'your \/area# -                  / 
 5 4  6211340 1 1 v    11  ^I would have !th\ought# .                         / 
 5 4  6211350 1 2 v    11  that ^that would give a !little bit more .         / 
 5 4  6211350 1 1 v    11  sta"!b\/ility# .                                   / 
 5 4  6211360 1 1 v    11  to ^some of the !seaside pl/aces# .                / 
 5 4  6211370 1 1 v    11  who I ^know are !feeling the dr/aught#             / 
 5 4  6211380 1 1 v    11  ^very 'much ind\eed# -                             / 
 5 4  6211390 1 1 v    11  es^p\/ecially#                                     / 
 5 4  6211400 1 1 v    11  ^over recent y\ears# -                             / 
 5 4  6211410 1 1 v    11  now ^if I happen to be "r\ight about th/at# .      / 
 5 4  6211420 1 2 v    11  then I`m "^all for the holiday camps in the        / 
 5 4  6211420 1 1 v    11  loc\ality# - -                                     / 
 5 4  6311430 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  6311440 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil B/achelor# -                               / 
 5 4  6311450 1 1 d    11  ^/\everybody _seems#                               / 
 5 4  6311460 1 1 d    11  to have ^left /out# .                              / 
 5 4  6311470 1 1 d    11  the "^m\ost imp/ortant# .                          / 
 5 4  6311480 1 1 d    11  and "^over!r/iding "!p\oint#                       / 
 5 4  6311490 1 1 d    11  ^{\even} ":V\ictor#                                / 
 5 4  6311500 1 1 d    11  who((`s)) who`s . ^never been !wrong be"!f\ore# -  / 
 5 4  6311510 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  6311520 1 1 d    11  it . it de^pends . !v/\ery _much in_deed#          / 
 5 4  6311530 1 1 d    11  ^on the lo"!c/aliti((es))# .                       / 
 5 4  6311540 1 1 d    11  as has al^ready been :pointed !/out# .             / 
 5 4  6311550 1 1 d    11  it "^probably 'wouldn`t 'suit ":N\ice# .           / 
 5 4  6311560 1 1 d    11  to ^have a !h\oliday _camp#                        / 
 5 4  6311570 1 1 d    11  ^sh\oved _down#                                    / 
 5 4  6311580 1 1 d    11  in the ^Promenade des !/Anglais# -                 / 
 5 4  6311590 1 1 d    11  ^it`s "!!tr\ue#                                    / 
 5 4  6311600 1 1 d    11  that ^h\oliday _camps#                             / 
 5 4  6411610 1 1 d    11  "^have a "!w\ay#                                   / 
 5 4  6411620 1 1 d    11  of ^having an !iron "!c\urtain#                    / 
 5 4  6411630 1 1 d    11  de^scend be:tween "!th\em# .                       / 
 5 4  6411640 1 1 d    11  and ^human "!l/ife# .                              / 
 5 4  6411650 1 1 d    11  out^s/ide# .                                       / 
 5 4  6411660 1 1 d    11  and . [@] you "^can get !p/assouts#                / 
 5 4  6411670 1 1 d    11  [@] - ^I sup"!p\/ose# .                            / 
 5 4  6411680 1 1 d    11  that ^there !is . "l/ocal {^f/ood#}#               / 
 5 4  6411690 1 1 d    11  "^br/ought {^/in#}#                                / 
 5 4  6411700 1 1 d    11  and "^s/old# .                                     / 
 5 4  6411710 1 1 d    11  ^in the lo"!c/ality#                               / 
 5 4  6411720 1 1 d    11  there ^are con{t/ented} . "c/ows# -                / 
 5 4  6411730 1 1 d    11  ^blissful "bl/ackberries# -                        / 
 5 4  6411740 1 1 d    11  ^smiling !sausages and !s/o _on# -                 / 
 5 4  6411750 1 1 d    11  but ^what a'bout [dhi] ":h\ideousness# -           / 
 5 4  6411760 1 1 d    11  that is im"^p\/osed#                               / 
 5 4  6411770 1 1 d    11  ^on "!exquisite !!sc\enery# .                      / 
 5 4  6411780 1 1 d    11  "^that`s the ":p\oint# -                           / 
 5 4  6411790 1 1 d    11  ^if you`ve got !l\ovely {^c\ountry#}# .            / 
 5 4  6411800 1 1 d    11  ^are you "!r\eally {^h\appy#}# .                   / 
 5 4  6411810 1 1 d    11  to ^have . a !pretty gr\im _thing#                 / 
 5 4  6411820 1 1 d    11  ^like a !h\oliday :c/amp# .                        / 
 5 4  6511830 1 1 d    11  ^de!!f\acing it# .                                 / 
 5 4  6511840 1 1 d    11  ^that`s what you`ve got to ":\ask yours/elf# .     / 
 5 4  6511850 1 1 d    11  as "^\I bel/ieve# -                                / 
 5 4  6511860 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  6511870 1 1 f    11  ^Honor B/alfour#                                   / 
 5 4  6511880 1 1 h    11  ^f\ie _on _you {"^D\enzil#}# .                     / 
 5 4  6511890 1 1 h    11  ^t\alking a_bout#                                  / 
 5 4  6511900 1 1 h    11  ^h\oliday _camps#                                  / 
 5 4  6511910 1 1 h    11  de^facing the :beautiful !c\ountry_side# .         / 
 5 4  6511920 1 1 h    11  ^what about the ":m\asses {of ^p\eople#}#          / 
 5 4  6511930 1 1 h    11  ^who go !down to the h/oliday _camps# .            / 
 5 4  6511940 1 1 h    11  ^who !might not \/otherwise#                       / 
 5 4  6511950 1 2 h    11  ^ever have the !chance of !s\eeing {the ^beautiful / 
 5 4  6511950 1 1 h    11  c\ountry_side#}# -                                 / 
 5 4  6511960 1 1 h    11  ^now . !I have never had the :pl\easure# .         / 
 5 4  6511970 1 1 h    11  of ^actually !st\/aying#                           / 
 5 4  6511980 1 1 h    11  ^or spending a h\/oliday#                          / 
 5 4  6511990 1 1 h    11  ^in Bognor !R\egis# -                              / 
 5 4  6512000 1 1 h    11  ^n/\or _have I _had# -                             / 
 5 4  6512010 1 2 h    11  ^what I feel might be the rather !d\ubious         / 
 5 4  6512010 1 1 h    11  {^pl\easure#}# .                                   / 
 5 4  6612020 1 1 h    11  of ^spending a h/oliday in a !!h\oliday _camp# -   / 
 5 4  6612030 1 1 h    11  but from ^what I`m t\/old# .                       / 
 5 4  6612040 1 1 h    11  they are ^pretty well 'self-cont/ained#            / 
 5 4  6612050 1 1 h    11  ^not only for food and b/oard# .                   / 
 5 4  6612060 1 1 h    11  but for ^entertainment of every k\ind# .           / 
 5 4  6612070 1 1 h    11  and the ^chances ":\are of c/ourse# .              / 
 5 4  6612080 1 1 h    11  that you may ^never in fact :s\ee#                 / 
 5 4  6612090 1 1 h    11  the ^beautiful !c\ountryside# .                    / 
 5 4  6612100 1 1 h    11  you ^may see !n\othing#                            / 
 5 4  6612110 1 1 h    11  but the ^artificial l=akes#                        / 
 5 4  6612120 1 1 h    11  and the ^little !p\edal *_cars#;- -*;              / 
 5 4  6612130 1 1 d    11  *^honest :H\onor#*                                 / 
 5 4  6612140 1 1(h    11  ^now - the !fact \is#                              / 
 5 4  6612150 1 1 h    11  on the "^\other h/and# .                           / 
 5 4  6612160 1 1 h    11  that ^I`m !not c\astigating#                       / 
 5 4  6612170 1 2 h    11  the ^landladies who may !happen to be in Bognor    / 
 5 4  6612170 1 1 h    11  !!R\egis#                                          / 
 5 4  6612180 1 1 h    11  ^you may be . a!b\ove#                             / 
 5 4  6612190 1 1 h    11  ^any {!k\ind} of re!pr\oach# .                     / 
 5 4  6612200 1 1 h    11  but ^some [lend] :l\andl/adies#                    / 
 5 4  6712210 1 1 h    11  do ^not at"!t\empt# .                              / 
 5 4  6712220 1 1 h    11  to ^make "!\any provision for the wet d/ay# .      / 
 5 4  6712230 1 1 h    11  a^part from :s\itting#                             / 
 5 4  6712240 1 1 h    11  and ^cleaning up the aspi:d\istra#                 / 
 5 4  6712250 1 2 h    11  if you`ve ^nothing better to :do in the            / 
 5 4  6712250 1 1 h    11  :w\/indow# .                                       / 
 5 4  6712260 1 2 h    11  and it ^seems to me there may be a !f/\ew          / 
 5 4  6712260 1 1 h    11  {^l\essons#}#                                      / 
 5 4  6712270 1 1 h    11  ^l\/earned#                                        / 
 5 4  6712280 1 1 h    11  by "^m/\any _seaside re_sorts# .                   / 
 5 4  6712290 1 1 h    11  ^if they !/only#                                   / 
 5 4  6712300 1 1 h    11  ^look and s\/ee#                                   / 
 5 4  6712310 1 2 h    11  ^how the holiday camps at!tr\act their             / 
 5 4  6712310 1 1 h    11  :v/isitors# .                                      / 
 5 4  6712320 1 1 h    11  and ^see if they c/an`t#                           / 
 5 4  6712330 1 1 h    11  "^woo them a"w\ay# .                               / 
 5 4  6712340 1 1 h    11  to ^th/\at ex_tent# .                              / 
 5 4  6712350 1 1 h    11  the ^h\oliday {^c\amps#}#                          / 
 5 4  6712360 1 1 h    11  may ^w\ell {^d\o#}#                                / 
 5 4  6712370 1 1 h    11  "^m\any seaside re:s/orts#                         / 
 5 4  6712380 1 1 h    11  a ^very good t\urn# .                              / 
 5 4  6712390 1 1 h    11  ^bringing people d\own#                            / 
 5 4  6712400 1 1 h    11  to ^see what these :places are l\ike# .            / 
 5 4  6712410 1 2 h    11  and if ^you can offer ![raiv@lri @] :rival         / 
 5 4  6712410 1 1 h    11  at:tr=actions# .                                   / 
 5 4  6812420 1 1 h    11  ^so much the better for y\ou#                      / 
 5 4  6812430 1 1 f    11  ^Victor M=ishcon# - - -                            / 
 5 4  6812440 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  6812450 1 1 v    12  in ^case . in ^case there`s :any misunderst/anding#/ 
 5 4  6812460 1 1 v    11  I ^do want to expl/ain# .                          / 
 5 4  6812470 1 1 v    11  that ^Denzil B\/achelor# .                         / 
 5 4  6812480 1 1 v    11  ^is !not being . 'unj\ust# -                       / 
 5 4  6812490 1 1 v    11  ^what !happened was th/is# .                       / 
 5 4  6812500 1 1 v    11  he ^did appl\y to a certain h/oliday _camp# - -    / 
 5 4  6812510 1 1 v    11  they ^took !one look at his g/irth# -              / 
 5 4  6812520 1 1 v    11  and ^he was as!s=essed# .                          / 
 5 4  6812530 1 1 v    11  as ^one indiv/idual# .                             / 
 5 4  6812540 1 1 v    11  at the ^cost of tw\o# -                            / 
 5 4  6812550 1 1 v    11  and ^since that d/ay#                              / 
 5 4  6812560 1 2 v    11  ^he has been "!b\itterly opposed to h/oliday       / 
 5 4  6812560 1 1 v    11  _camps#                                            / 
 5 4  6812570 1 1 v    11  so "^don`t take him s\eriously#                    / 
 5 4  6812580 1 1 aud  20  (laughter)                                         / 
 5 4  6812590 1 1 f    11  *^Colin H/odgkinson#*                              / 
 5 4  6812600 1 1 c    12  *there ^is one* - there ^/\is _one _thing#         / 
 5 4  6812610 1 2 c    11  [@:] . if ^one !may be :serious a:gain for :one    / 
 5 4  6812610 1 1 c    11  _m/oment# .                                        / 
 5 4  6912620 1 2 c    11  al^though I . :don`t necessarily :disagr/ee with   / 
 5 4  6912620 1 1 c    11  _you# .                                            / 
 5 4  6912630 1 1 c    11  [@: - @] (laughs) . [@] and ^that is th\is# -      / 
 5 4  6912640 1 1 c    11  ^there`re . !some - p/eople# .                     / 
 5 4  6912650 1 1 c    11  I ^think !perhaps !m\any p/eople#                  / 
 5 4  6912660 1 1 c    11  ^who !may !not be =able#                           / 
 5 4  6912670 1 1 c    11  to [@f] . who "^c\ould _not#                       / 
 5 4  6912680 1 1 c    11  af^f\ord a h/oliday# .                             / 
 5 4  6912690 1 1 c    11  un"^l\ess {they ^w\ent#}#                          / 
 5 4  6912700 1 1 c    11  to a ^holiday c\amp#                               / 
 5 4  6912710 1 1 c    11  or per^haps they could afford !only !two or thr\ee#/ 
 5 4  6912720 1 1 aud  20  ooh                                                / 
 5 4  6912730 1 1(c    11  ^((ah)) y\/es#                                     / 
 5 4  6912740 1 1 c    11  ^ah y\/es#                                         / 
 5 4  6912750 1 1 c    11  ^there \/are# .                                    / 
 5 4  6912760 1 1 c    11  ^old age pensioners to be . to to quote a f\ew# -  / 
 5 4  6912770 1 2 c    13  ^I 'don`t 'know ((well now)) ^don`t [@:] ^I [@] am / 
 5 4  6912770 1 1 c    13  not an auth!\ority {on this ^s\ubject#}# -         / 
 5 4  6912780 1 2 c    11  but there ^may be :some people who could :not      / 
 5 4  6912780 1 1 c    11  afford . a holiday - :\otherwise# -                / 
 5 4  7012790 1 1 c    11  and ^theref/ore#                                   / 
 5 4  7012800 1 1 c    12  in ^that . in ^that resp/ect#                      / 
 5 4  7012810 1 1 c    11  ^holiday camps :may be . a :good th\ing# -         / 
 5 4  7012820 1 1 c    11  now they`ve ^got to go :s\omewhere# -              / 
 5 4  7012830 1 1 c    11  but - "^th/is# .                                   / 
 5 4  7012840 1 1 c    11  if ^I may :s\ay s/o# .                             / 
 5 4  7012850 1 1 c    11  is a ^great f\eather#                              / 
 5 4  7012860 1 1 c    11  in the ^c\ap# .                                    / 
 5 4  7012870 1 1 c    11  ^of . !private !\enterprise#                       / 
 5 4  7012880 1 1 c    11  to be ^able to cre"!\ate#                          / 
 5 4  7012890 1 1 c    11  a con^d\ition# .                                   / 
 5 4  7012900 1 1 c    11  ^f\or {the ^p\eople#}# .                           / 
 5 4  7012910 1 1 c    11  ^where they can !go and h\ave# .                   / 
 5 4  7012920 1 1 c    11  ^mass entert\ainment# .                            / 
 5 4  7012930 1 1 c    11  at a ^very low c\ost# -                            / 
 5 4  7012940 1 1 c    11  ^w/\ell# -                                         / 
 5 4  7012950 1 1 aud  20  ooh                                                / 
 5 4  7012960 1 1(c    11  - ^and in !m\y o_pinion# -                         / 
 5 4  7012970 1 2 c    11  al^though I`ve never !st\ayed at a holiday         / 
 5 4  7012970 1 1 c    11  :c/amp# .                                          / 
 5 4  7012980 1 1 c    11  "^I think that they are a "!v\ery good :th/ing#    / 
 5 4  7112990 1 1 c    11  for ^that "!very r\eason# - -                      / 
 5 4  7113000 1 1 f    11  I I ^just want to ask the audience one qu\estion#  / 
 5 4  7113010 1 1 f    11  ^h/ave you g\ot#                                   / 
 5 4  7113020 1 1 f    11  a ^large !holiday !camp !h/ere#                    / 
 5 4  7113030 1 1 aud  20  ( - yes)                                           / 
 5 4  7113040 1 1(f    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 4  7113050 1 1 f    11  ^all r/ight#                                       / 
 5 4  7113060 1 1 f    11  ^thank you very m\uch# .                           / 
 5 4  7113070 1 1 f    11  ^yes we !go on to the next qu\estion#              / 
 5 4  7113080 1 3 II   20  (is it not time that fixed penalties and fines     / 
 5 4  7113080 1 2 II   20  should be imposed in magistrates` courts throughout/ 
 5 4  7113080 1 1 II   20  the country)                                       / 
 5 4  7113090 1 2 f    11  we`ve got ^two minutes l\eft in which to answer    / 
 5 4  7113090 1 1 f    11  this :qu/estion#                                   / 
 5 4  7113100 1 1 f    11  ^Victor M\ishcon#                                  / 
 5 4  7113110 1 1 v    11  ((well)) ^very qu\ickly th/en# .                   / 
 5 4  7113120 1 1 v    11  you ^kn/ow# .                                      / 
 5 4  7113130 1 1 v    11  there "^\are {^fixed p\enalties#}#                 / 
 5 4  7113140 1 1 v    11  there`s a ^maximum and a m\inimum# -               / 
 5 4  7113150 1 1 v    11  and ^quite /obviously#                             / 
 5 4  7113160 1 1 v    11  ^what you`ve !g\ot to d/o#                         / 
 5 4  7213170 1 1 v    11  in ^\each c/ase#                                   / 
 5 4  7213180 1 1 v    11  is to . "^l\ook# .                                 / 
 5 4  7213190 1 1 v    11  at the ^c\ase in :fr/ont of _you#                  / 
 5 4  7213200 1 1 v    11  and the ^p\eople in :fr/ont of _you# .             / 
 5 4  7213210 1 1 v    11  and de^cide within your !minimum and :m=aximum#    / 
 5 4  7213220 1 1 v    11  ^what to d\o# .                                    / 
 5 4  7213230 1 1 v    11  the "^thing to :d/o#                               / 
 5 4  7213240 1 2 v    11  is to per^suade magistrates to be a !little bit    / 
 5 4  7213240 1 1 v    11  con:s\istent# .                                    / 
 5 4  7213250 1 1 v    11  but ^don`t "f\ix a fine or a _p/enalty#            / 
 5 4  7213260 1 1 v    11  you ^can`t d\o it# -                               / 
 5 4  7213270 1 1 f    11  ^Denzil _B/achelor#                                / 
 5 4  7213280 1 2 d    11  ^I think there should be "!fixed penalties and     / 
 5 4  7213280 1 1 d    11  :f\/ines# .                                        / 
 5 4  7213290 1 1 d    11  ^but that they should be re"!l/ated# .             / 
 5 4  7213300 1 1 d    11  pre"^c\isely#                                      / 
 5 4  7213310 1 1 d    11  to the ^incomes 'of of:f\enders# .                 / 
 5 4  7213320 1 2 d    11  ^such a pro"!portion of a man`s :weekly or :monthly/ 
 5 4  7213320 1 1 d    11  \earnings# .                                       / 
 5 4  7213330 1 1 d    11  I be^lieve 'that`s 'done in H\olland# -            / 
 5 4  7213340 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  7313350 1 1 f    11  ^Colin _H/odgkinson#                               / 
 5 4  7313360 1 1 c    11  I en^tirely agr/ee# .                              / 
 5 4  7313370 1 1 c    11  with ^both . those two \answers# .                 / 
 5 4  7313380 1 1 c    11  but I ^think !one "\other _thing# .                / 
 5 4  7313390 1 1 c    11  and ^that is that the po!l/ice#                    / 
 5 4  7313400 1 1 c    11  ^should be all/owed#                               / 
 5 4  7313410 1 1 c    11  there ^should be a !fixed f/ine# .                 / 
 5 4  7313420 1 1 c    11  for ^people who have 'parked their :c=ars#         / 
 5 4  7313430 1 1 c    11  in ^big industrial c\ities# .                      / 
 5 4  7313440 1 1 c    11  ^and that the po!l\ice#                            / 
 5 4  7313450 1 1 c    11  should be al^l\owed#                               / 
 5 4  7313460 1 1 c    11  to ^l\eave#                                        / 
 5 4  7313470 1 1 c    11  a ^b\ooking _ticket#                               / 
 5 4  7313480 1 1 c    11  ^\on the c/ar# .                                   / 
 5 4  7313490 1 1 c    11  and the ^man that !g\oes in#                       / 
 5 4  7313500 1 1 c    11  and ^pays the . [@: @] the the :f=ine# .           / 
 5 4  7313510 1 1 c    11  ^to the pol=ice _court#                            / 
 5 4  7313520 1 1 c    11  ^thus . [@] re!l\easing#                           / 
 5 4  7313530 1 1 c    11  a "^great many po:l/ice#                           / 
 5 4  7313540 1 1 c    11  from the ^streets of our :cities of this c\ountry# / 
 5 4  7313550 1 1 f    11  ^Honor _B/alfour#                                  / 
 5 4  7413560 1 1 h    11  as ^far as ":\I`m conc/erned#                      / 
 5 4  7413570 1 1 h    11  and ^my !c\ar is con:c/erned#                      / 
 5 4  7413580 1 1 h    11  it ^always /\is a _fixed _fine#                    / 
 5 4  7413590 1 1 h    11  ^it`s the !m\aximum#                               / 
 5 4  7413600 1 1 aud  20  ( - laughter)                                      / 
 5 4  7413610 1 1 f    11  ^oh !what a 'sad st\ory# .                         / 
 5 4  7413620 1 1 f    11  ^can`t you even get aw/ay with it# .               / 
 5 4  7413630 1 1 h    11  I`ve ^tr\ied#                                      / 
 5 4  7413640 1 1 h    11  ^\often#                                           / 
 5 4  7413650 1 1 h    11  ((and)) it ^never w=orks# - -                      / 
 5 4  7413660 1 1 f    11  ^anybody !=else# .                                 / 
 5 4  7413670 1 1 f    11  ^n=o# *-*                                          / 
 5 4  7413680 1 1 f    11  ^y\es {^Victor M\ishcon#}#                         / 
 5 4  7413690 1 2 v    11  *^well* - - I I I I "!do want to :make this point  / 
 5 4  7413690 1 1 v    11  "!awfully quickly ag/ain# -                        / 
 5 4  7413700 1 1 v    11  it "^isn`t a question only of a f/ine#             / 
 5 4  7413710 1 2 v    11  ^somebody has :asked in this question about a      / 
 5 4  7413710 1 1 v    11  p\enalty# -                                        / 
 5 4  7413720 1 1 ?    11  ((^y\es))#                                         / 
 5 4  7413730 1 1(v    11  and "^d\on`t#                                      / 
 5 4  7413740 1 1 v    11  for ^heaven`s :s=ake# .                            / 
 5 4  7413750 1 1 v    11  be^lieve !all you read in the pr\ess#              / 
 5 4  7513760 1 1 v    11  a^bout the !injustice between :two c\ourts# .      / 
 5 4  7513770 1 1 v    11  you`ve ^got to !b\e in the c/ourt# .               / 
 5 4  7513780 1 1 v    11  ^kn\ow about the :c/ase#                           / 
 5 4  7513790 1 1 v    11  be^fore you can de!c\ide this sort of :th/ing# .   / 
 5 4  7513800 1 1 v    11  and ^I am re!f\erring of :c/ourse# .               / 
 5 4  7513810 1 1 v    11  to a ^certain :g=entleman#                         / 
 5 4  7513820 1 1 v    11  who ^writes in a !certain !Sunday n=ews_paper#     / 
 5 4  7513830 1 1 v    11  but I wouldn`t "^dare mention his n\ame# -         / 
 5 4  7513840 1 1 aud  20  (applause)                                         / 
 5 4  7513850 1 1 f    11  ^well we . we !we must stop :h/ere#                / 
 5 4  7513860 1 1 f    11  ^thank you very much to the :t/eam#                / 
 5 4  7513870 1 1 f    11  and ^m\ay I _say#                                  / 
 5 4  7513880 1 1 f    11  we`ve been "^w\ell rewarded#                       / 
 5 4  7513890 1 1 f    11  by our ^visit to !Bognor !R/egis# .                / 
 5 4  7513900 1 1 f    11  ^holiday camp or "n\o# .                           / 
 5 5   1   10 1 1 a    11  our ^audience comes !not only from :P\/ensford# .  / 
 5 5   1   20 1 2 a    11  which was a ^mining village until a !year or two   / 
 5 5   1   20 1 1 a    11  ag/o# .                                            / 
 5 5   1   30 1 1 a    11  but ^also from :neighbouring v/illages#            / 
 5 5   1   40 1 1 a    11  a ^few miles :south of Br\istol#                   / 
 5 5   1   50 1 1 a    11  with such de"^lectable n/ames#                     / 
 5 5   1   60 1 1 a    11  as "^Stanton Dr/ew#                                / 
 5 5   1   70 1 1 a    11  and ^Norton M\alreward# - -                        / 
 5 5   1   80 1 1 a    11  we ^also have some :rather de!lectable !n\ames#    / 
 5 5   1   90 1 1 a    11  on the ^t\eam# -                                   / 
 5 5   1  100 1 1 a    11  ^Anthony Wedgwood :B/enn#                          / 
 5 5   1  110 1 2 a    11  ^Labour Member of :Parliament for Bristol . South  / 
 5 5   1  110 1 1 a    11  /East# -                                           / 
 5 5   1  120 1 1 a    11  [@:] ^Christopher Ch/ataway#                       / 
 5 5   1  130 1 2 a    11  Con^servative Member of Parliament for :Lewisham   / 
 5 5   1  130 1 1 a    11  N/orth# -                                          / 
 5 5   1  140 1 1 a    11  ^Frank B/yers#                                     / 
 5 5   1  150 1 2 a    11  ^Liberal candidate in the :recent :by-election at  / 
 5 5   1  150 1 1 a    11  :Bolton :=East# -                                  / 
 5 5   1  160 1 1 a    11  and ^finally Lord B=oothby#                        / 
 5 5   1  170 1 2 a    11  who ^went !qu\ietly {to the ^House of              / 
 5 5   1  170 1 1 a    11  L\ords#}# *- - -                                   / 
 5 5   1  180 1 1 a    11  ^n=ow#;- - -*;                                     / 
 5 5   1  190 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter and applause)*                          / 
 5 5   1  200 1 1 a    11  ^may we have [dhi] !f\irst _question {^pl=ease#}#  / 
 5 5   1  210 1 1 a    11  ^fr=om#                                            / 
 5 5   2  220 1 1 d    11  - ^Mrs Betty Sw\ann#                               / 
 5 5   2  230 1 1 a    11  Mrs ^Betty Sw\ann#                                 / 
 5 5   2  240 1 1 d    11  it is ^said that !every /Englishman#               / 
 5 5   2  250 1 1 d    11  ^wishes to live like a l\ord# .                    / 
 5 5   2  260 1 1 d    11  ^foreigners say we are :\indolent# -               / 
 5 5   2  270 1 1 d    11  could ^this be the r/eason#                        / 
 5 5   2  280 1 1 a    11  it is . it is ^said that !every \Englishman#       / 
 5 5   2  290 1 1 a    11  ^wishes to live like a "l\ord# -                   / 
 5 5   2  300 1 1 a    11  ^foreigners say we are ":\indolent# -              / 
 5 5   2  310 1 1 a    11  ^could this be the r/eason# - -                    / 
 5 5   2  320 1 1 a    11  ^Lord B\oothby#                                    / 
 5 5   2  330 1 1 b    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 5   2  340 1 1 b    11  if if ^anybody :thinks that :lords are !\/idle# .  / 
 5 5   2  350 1 1 b    11  they`ve ^got another !thought !c\oming to them# -  / 
 5 5   2  360 1 1 b    11  ^I`ve done about "!four times as much w\ork#       / 
 5 5   3  370 1 1 b    11  ^since I became a :l\ord#                          / 
 5 5   3  380 1 1 b    11  as ^\/ever I _did#                                 / 
 5 5   3  390 1 1 b    11  when I was a ^member of the House of !!C\ommons# - / 
 5 5   3  400 1 2 b    11  and I was a ^member of the :House of Commons for a / 
 5 5   3  400 1 1 b    11  . :very long :t\ime# -                             / 
 5 5   3  410 1 1 b    11  of "^c\ourse {^every !\Englishman#}#               / 
 5 5   3  420 1 1 b    11  "^w\ishes to live like a l/ord# -                  / 
 5 5   3  430 1 1 b    11  because ^lords are !very !splendid !!p\eople# - - -/ 
 5 5   3  440 1 1 b    11  and "^well worth :living :[l\ai]#                  / 
 5 5   3  450 1 1 b    11  ^l\ike#                                            / 
 5 5   3  460 1 1 b    11  but it would be an il"^l/\usion {to sup^p/\ose#}# -/ 
 5 5   3  470 1 1 b    11  that ^lords don`t w\ork# .                         / 
 5 5   3  480 1 1 b    11  they "^work like \anything# .                      / 
 5 5   3  490 1 1 b    11  and they`re "^\I th/ink#                           / 
 5 5   3  500 1 1 b    11  they`re ^very much brighter than c\ommoners#       / 
 5 5   3  510 1 1 aud  20  ( - - - laughter)                                  / 
 5 5   3  520 1 1 a    11  ^Frank B\yers#                                     / 
 5 5   3  530 1 1 a    11  ^what do you say about th/at#                      / 
 5 5   4  540 1 1 f    11  well ^I`m not s\ure#                               / 
 5 5   4  550 1 1 f    11  if we`re dis^cussing lords in :g\/eneral#          / 
 5 5   4  560 1 1 f    11  or ^lords in par"!t\icular#                        / 
 5 5   4  570 1 1 f    11  I`m [pe] ^pretty c\ertain#                         / 
 5 5   4  580 1 1 f    11  that I don`t I ^wouldn`t like to :l\ive#           / 
 5 5   4  590 1 1 f    11  ^like [bo @] . Lord !!B\oothby _does# - -          / 
 5 5   4  600 1 1 f    11  ^just as we !came !\on#                            / 
 5 5   4  610 1 1 f    11  he ^took another p/ill#                            / 
 5 5   4  620 1 2 f    12  I ^don`t think I could *- - - ^I couldn`t afford   / 
 5 5   4  620 1 1 f    12  the "!dr\ug _bill# -                               / 
 5 5   4  630 2 1 f    21  but [@]*                                           / 
 5 5   4  640 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5   4  630 1 1(f    11  - the i^dea that lords are /idle#                  / 
 5 5   4  650 1 1 f    11  is ^absolutely untr\ue# .                          / 
 5 5   4  660 1 1 f    11  I ^saw B/ob#                                       / 
 5 5   4  670 1 1 f    11  ^h\urrying through this d/oor#                     / 
 5 5   4  680 1 1 f    11  at ^=one _mile an _hour just _now# .               / 
 5 5   4  690 1 1 f    11  ^n/\o#                                             / 
 5 5   4  700 1 1 f    11  he was ^putting !everything he`d g\ot into it#     / 
 5 5   4  710 1 1 a    11  ( - - laughs) ^Christopher Ch\ataway#              / 
 5 5   4  720 1 1 c    11  ((well)) there`re ^{l\ords} and l\ords#            / 
 5 5   4  730 1 1 c    11  ^\aren`t there#                                    / 
 5 5   5  740 1 2 c    11  I mean there`re ^lords of the !l\ife _peerage _kind/ 
 5 5   5  740 1 1 c    11  {for ex^\ample#}#                                  / 
 5 5   5  750 1 1 c    11  and ((1 syll)) ^lords who are - he!r\editary#      / 
 5 5   5  760 1 2 c    11  but I ^don`t think most [pi:p] _most English people/ 
 5 5   5  760 1 1 c    11  want to - live like "l\ords th/ese _days#          / 
 5 5   5  770 1 1 c    11  because you`ve . ^only to :l\ook at _some of them# / 
 5 5   5  780 1 1 c    11  to ^s\ee#                                          / 
 5 5   5  790 1 2 c    11  what - ^s\ad {^d\owncast} {^cr\eatures {they       / 
 5 5   5  790 1 1 c    11  ^\are#}#}# -                                       / 
 5 5   5  800 1 1 c    11  and [@] ^\I _wouldn`t# .                           / 
 5 5   5  810 1 1 c    11  for a "^m\oment#                                   / 
 5 5   5  820 1 1 c    11  want ^anybody who didn`t "!w\ant to be a l/ord#    / 
 5 5   5  830 1 1 c    11  to be "^m/\ade a _lord#                            / 
 5 5   5  840 1 1 c    11  it ^seems to me "!\awfully _sad#                   / 
 5 5   5  850 1 2 c    11  that [@] . ^anybody should be [@] . ":thr\own into / 
 5 5   5  850 1 1 c    11  this _category {a^gainst their w\ill#}#            / 
 5 5   5  860 1 1 a    11  - ( - laughs) ^Anthony Wedgwood *B\enn# .          / 
 5 5   5  870 1 1 a    11  it`s ^coming near y\ou#*                           / 
 5 5   6  880 1 1 e    11  *^well of c\ourse#                                 / 
 5 5   6  890 1 1 e    11  ^Lord !B\oothby#* .                                / 
 5 5   6  900 1 2 e    11  [@m] ^hasn`t had his {es:c\/utcheon} :l\ong        / 
 5 5   6  900 1 1 e    11  en/ough#                                           / 
 5 5   6  910 1 1 e    11  for the "^bl\ots /on it#                           / 
 5 5   6  920 1 1 e    11  to be ^visible at the back of the !!h\all# -       / 
 5 5   6  930 1 2 e    11  ^so that I :don`t know that :he`s a very good      / 
 5 5   6  930 1 1 e    11  !j\udge# .                                         / 
 5 5   6  940 1 1 e    11  but as a ^matter of fact !!\I _think#              / 
 5 5   6  950 1 1 e    11  that [dhi] . this ^th\eory#                        / 
 5 5   6  960 1 1 e    11  that ^\everybody wants to live like a l/ord#       / 
 5 5   6  970 1 1 e    11  is a ^theory spread :by the !!l\ords#              / 
 5 5   6  980 1 1 e    11  ^that`s my own sus!p\icion# .                      / 
 5 5   6  990 1 1 e    11  I ^think they per!f\orm in our soc/iety# .         / 
 5 5   6 1000 1 1 e    11  a ^r/ole#                                          / 
 5 5   6 1010 1 1 e    11  in ^s\ome w/ays#                                   / 
 5 5   6 1020 1 1 e    11  ^rather like those performed by . :f\ilm _stars#   / 
 5 5   6 1030 1 1 e    11  in ^\other soc/ieties# .                           / 
 5 5   6 1040 1 1 e    11  and ^quite h\onestly# .                            / 
 5 5   6 1050 1 1 e    11  ^if the alt\ernative#                              / 
 5 5   6 1060 1 1 e    11  is ^reading about Lord :Boothby`s p\ills#          / 
 5 5   7 1070 1 1 e    11  or E^lizabeth :Taylor`s !t\eeth# -                 / 
 5 5   7 1080 1 1 e    11  and the ^trouble that caused with Cleop/atra# .    / 
 5 5   7 1090 1 1 e    11  "^I think I would ":r\/ather# .                    / 
 5 5   7 1100 1 1 e    12  ^get !m\y _[@] - ^my [@m ?] !g\ossip column n/ews# / 
 5 5   7 1110 1 1 e    11  a^bout the !f\ilm st/ars#                          / 
 5 5   7 1120 1 1 e    11  than the ^House of !P\eers#                        / 
 5 5   7 1130 1 1 e    11  but then I`m [@:] I`m ^sp\ecial in this re_gard#   / 
 5 5   7 1140 1 1 a    11  ( - - - laughs) ^well we kn\ow {^y\es#}# .         / 
 5 5   7 1150 1 1 a    11  *^Lord B\oothby#*                                  / 
 5 5   7 1160 1 1 b    11  ^well *I would* . "!just like to :\add#            / 
 5 5   7 1170 1 1 b    11  that [a:] I ^do take p/ills#                       / 
 5 5   7 1180 1 2 b    11  but I ^took them when I was in the :House of       / 
 5 5   7 1180 1 1 b    11  :C\ommons# -                                       / 
 5 5   7 1190 1 2 b    12  and they was ^even more [n] . they were ^even more / 
 5 5   7 1190 1 1 b    12  :necessary th/en# -                                / 
 5 5   7 1200 1 1 b    11  I`m ^not "s/ad# .                                  / 
 5 5   7 1210 1 1 b    11  I`m ^not "d/owncast# -                             / 
 5 5   7 1220 1 1 b    11  and I "^do own a Mini m\inor#                      / 
 5 5   8 1230 1 1 e    21  ( - - - laughter and applause) ^do [@m] -          / 
 5 5   8 1240 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 5   8 1250 1 1 a    11  ^Frank B\yers# .                                   / 
 5 5   8 1260 1 1 a    11  ^come \on#                                         / 
 5 5   8 1270 1 1 f    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 5   8 1280 1 1 f    11  I ^just wanted to say to :Tony Wedgwood B/enn#     / 
 5 5   8 1290 1 1 f    11  that ^I think that :h\alf a _lord#                 / 
 5 5   8 1300 1 1 f    11  is ^better than n\o _lord#                         / 
 5 5   8 1310 1 1 a    20  *((3 to 4 sylls))*                                 / 
 5 5   8 1320 1 1 e    11  *do ^those blood* t\onics#                         / 
 5 5   8 1330 1 2 e    11  ^actually produce a :change in the "!c\olour {of   / 
 5 5   8 1330 1 1 e    11  your ^bl\ood {as ^w\ell#}#}#                       / 
 5 5   8 1340 1 1 e    11  ^B/ob#                                             / 
 5 5   8 1350 1 1 e    11  is ^this what you are trying to t/ell us#          / 
 5 5   8 1360 1 1 b    11  - ^shortly after I was :\/elevated#                / 
 5 5   8 1370 1 1 b    11  I ^cut myself :sh\aving#                           / 
 5 5   8 1380 1 1 b    11  and the ^blood 'was definitely !bl\/ue#;*-;        / 
 5 5   8 1390 1 1 b    11  but [@] - ^otherwise I - - can`t ((2 s\ylls))#*    / 
 5 5   9 1400 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5   9 1410 1 1 a    11  - - - ^all r\ight# -                               / 
 5 5   9 1420 1 2 a    11  well we ^can`t go on with !th\is _bit of _fun much / 
 5 5   9 1420 1 1 a    11  l/onger#                                           / 
 5 5   9 1430 1 1 a    11  we ^go on to the !next question fr=om#             / 
 5 5   9 1440 1 1 g    11  Mrs ^D E "V\eazey#                                 / 
 5 5   9 1450 1 1 a    11  Mrs ^D E V\eazey#                                  / 
 5 5   9 1460 1 2 g    11  ^what are the suggestions of the :members of the   / 
 5 5   9 1460 1 1 g    11  t/eam# .                                           / 
 5 5   9 1470 1 1 g    11  on pre^paring for ret\irement#                     / 
 5 5   9 1480 1 2 a    11  ( - laughs) ^what are the sug:gestions of the      / 
 5 5   9 1480 1 1 a    11  :members of the :t/eam#                            / 
 5 5   9 1490 1 1 a    11  on pre^paring for re"!t\irement# -                 / 
 5 5   9 1500 1 1 a    11  ^who`s heading for re"t\irement#                   / 
 5 5   9 1510 1 1 aud  20  ( - - - laughter)                                  / 
 5 5   9 1520 1 1(a    11  ^\Anthony#                                         / 
 5 5   9 1530 1 1 a    11  ^come /on#                                         / 
 5 5   9 1540 1 2 e    11  ^well you know it`s !f\unny you should ask this    / 
 5 5   9 1540 1 1 e    11  qu/estion#                                         / 
 5 5  10 1550 1 1 e    11  be^cause - - !I have a - - :h\/obby# .             / 
 5 5  10 1560 1 1 e    11  which I de^veloped about a :year ag=o#             / 
 5 5  10 1570 1 1 e    11  I be^gan in New !Y\ork#                            / 
 5 5  10 1580 1 1 e    11  when I ^saw in the front "p\age#                   / 
 5 5  10 1590 1 1 e    11  of the ^New York "t\elephone dir/ectory# -         / 
 5 5  10 1600 1 1 e    11  a ^list of !every possible . combin/ation#         / 
 5 5  10 1610 1 1 e    11  of "^c\alendars#                                   / 
 5 5  10 1620 1 2 e    11  you know there`re ^only [s] . fourteen sorts of    / 
 5 5  10 1620 1 1 e    11  y/ears# -                                          / 
 5 5  10 1630 1 2 e    11  ^years that begin on . :Monday the first of        / 
 5 5  10 1630 1 1 e    11  J/anuary#                                          / 
 5 5  10 1640 1 1 e    11  ^Tuesday the first of :January and s/o on# .       / 
 5 5  10 1650 1 1 e    11  ((for [dh])) ^s\/even#                             / 
 5 5  10 1660 1 1 e    11  and then ^s\even /of them#                         / 
 5 5  10 1670 1 1 e    11  the ^same for !l\eap _years# -                     / 
 5 5  10 1680 1 1 e    11  and I ^had this ph\/otographed# -                  / 
 5 5  10 1690 1 1 e    11  and I "^cut \out a y/ear#                          / 
 5 5  10 1700 1 1 e    11  and I ^now have a "d\/iary# .                      / 
 5 5  10 1710 1 1 e    11  with a ^separate y/ear#                            / 
 5 5  10 1720 1 1 e    11  going ^up to my hundredth :b\irthday#              / 
 5 5  10 1730 1 1 e    11  in ^twenty twenty-!f\ive# -                        / 
 5 5  10 1740 1 1 e    11  and ^into this d/iary#                             / 
 5 5  10 1750 1 1 e    11  I am ^p\/utting# .                                 / 
 5 5  10 1760 1 1 e    11  ^all the inform/ation# .                           / 
 5 5  11 1770 1 1 e    11  which I "^kn\ow {to be cor^r\ect#}# .              / 
 5 5  11 1780 1 1 e    11  for ex^=ample# .                                   / 
 5 5  11 1790 1 1 e    11  my ^seventy-fifth b\irthday#                       / 
 5 5  11 1800 1 1 e    11  is the ^year !two th\ousand#                       / 
 5 5  11 1810 1 2 e    12  my . ^children will be . my ^babe in arms will be  / 
 5 5  11 1810 1 1 e    12  :fifty-n\ine#                                      / 
 5 5  11 1820 1 1 e    11  on my ^eighty-ninth !b\irthday#                    / 
 5 5  11 1830 1 1 e    11  and ^s/o on# -                                     / 
 5 5  11 1840 1 1 e    11  and - ^I find that if you pro":j\ect# .            / 
 5 5  11 1850 1 1 e    11  "^known "trends "!f\/orward# -                     / 
 5 5  11 1860 1 1 e    11  you ^realize that life is ":much more pred/ictable#/ 
 5 5  11 1870 1 1 e    11  than you "^r\ealize# -                             / 
 5 5  11 1880 1 1 e    11  and oc^casionally I !sit down at h\ome#            / 
 5 5  11 1890 1 1 e    11  and I ^open my d\iary# .                           / 
 5 5  11 1900 1 1 e    11  for the year ^two thousand and fift/een# -         / 
 5 5  11 1910 1 1 e    11  when ^I shall be ninety - !n\/inety# -             / 
 5 5  11 1920 1 1 e    11  and I ^s\ay to my_self#                            / 
 5 5  11 1930 1 1 e    11  ^what shall I be "d\/oing#                         / 
 5 5  11 1940 1 1 e    11  ^this !!y\ear# -                                   / 
 5 5  11 1950 1 1 e    11  and it`s by . ^r\ealizing#                         / 
 5 5  11 1960 1 1 e    11  that I`ve ^n\o plans for th/at _year# .            / 
 5 5  12 1970 1 1 e    11  that ^I can de!velop those :h\obbies#              / 
 5 5  12 1980 1 1 e    11  ^th\is y/ear# .                                    / 
 5 5  12 1990 1 1 e    11  which will ^give me a !r\ich# -                    / 
 5 5  12 2000 1 1 e    11  ^ninth dec/ade#                                    / 
 5 5  12 2010 1 1 e    11  which would ^\/otherwise# -                        / 
 5 5  12 2020 1 1 e    11  be ^very dull and b\oring# .                       / 
 5 5  12 2030 1 1 e    11  and ^I think this is the !!only p\ossible _way#    / 
 5 5  12 2040 1 1 e    11  of pre^paring for ret/irement# .                   / 
 5 5  12 2050 1 1 e    11  is to "^c\/ontemplate#                             / 
 5 5  12 2060 1 1 e    11  the the "^acres of b\oredom#                       / 
 5 5  12 2070 1 1 e    11  that ^lie a!h\/ead# .                              / 
 5 5  12 2080 1 1 e    11  when you`ve ^still got your health and str\ength#  / 
 5 5  12 2090 1 1 a    11  ^sounds "t\erribly {de^pr\essing#} to m/e#         / 
 5 5  12 2100 1 1 a    11  ^th/at# .                                          / 
 5 5  12 2110 1 1 a    11  ^Lord B\oothby#                                    / 
 5 5  12 2120 1 1 b    11  - - for ^m/e#                                      / 
 5 5  12 2130 1 1 b    11  the ^only form of ret/irement#                     / 
 5 5  12 2140 1 1 b    11  is "^d\eath# *- -*                                 / 
 5 5  12 2150 1 1 b    11  and I`m ^not preparing for :th\at# +- - -+         / 
 5 5  12 2160 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)* +(laughter)+                          / 
 5 5  12 2170 1 1(b    11  I ^only hope it`s !quick when it c/omes#           / 
 5 5  12 2180 1 1 b    11  and I ^hope it doesn`t come for a :long t/ime#     / 
 5 5  13 2190 1 1 b    11  but I`m pre^pared to 'let it r\ip# - -             / 
 5 5  13 2200 1 1 b    11  and I a^gree en"t\irely#                           / 
 5 5  13 2210 1 2 b    11  with a a ^very old :friend of :mine Sir :Thomas    / 
 5 5  13 2210 1 1 b    11  :B\/eecham# -                                      / 
 5 5  13 2220 1 1 b    11  I ^asked h=im#                                     / 
 5 5  13 2230 1 1 b    11  ^some time ag=o#                                   / 
 5 5  13 2240 1 1 b    11  if he ^ever intended to ret/ire# -                 / 
 5 5  13 2250 1 1 b    11  and he is a ^good "ripe . :\eighty [i]#            / 
 5 5  13 2260 1 1 b    11  or ^eighty-!one n\ow#                              / 
 5 5  13 2270 1 1 b    11  and he ^said if I re:t/ired#                       / 
 5 5  13 2280 1 1 b    11  I ^sh\ould be d/ead#                               / 
 5 5  13 2290 1 1 b    11  ^in a w\eek# - -                                   / 
 5 5  13 2300 1 1 b    11  and ^I a!gree with him ent\irely# .                / 
 5 5  13 2310 1 1 b    11  I ^n\ever intend to ret/ire# .                     / 
 5 5  13 2320 1 1 b    11  un^til I`m carted \out#                            / 
 5 5  13 2330 1 1 aud  20  ( - - *-* laughter)                                / 
 5 5  13 2340 1 1 a    11  *^Frank B\yers#*                                   / 
 5 5  13 2350 1 1 f    11  well I ^think !Tony Wedgwood B/enn#                / 
 5 5  13 2360 1 1 f    11  has ^proved ton/ight#                              / 
 5 5  14 2370 1 1 f    11  that he`s by ^f\ar#                                / 
 5 5  14 2380 1 2 f    11  the ^most !forward-looking :member of the !L\abour / 
 5 5  14 2380 1 1 f    11  _Party# *- - -                                     / 
 5 5  14 2390 1 1 f    11  but it`s a ^pretty depressing !\exercise#          / 
 5 5  14 2400 1 1 f    11  ^looking !th\at _far a_head#;- -*;                 / 
 5 5  14 2410 1 1 f    11  I think ^m\y adv/ice# -                            / 
 5 5  14 2420 2 1 f    21  on                                                 / 
 5 5  14 2430 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  14 2420 1 1(f    11  ^preparation for re:t/irement#                     / 
 5 5  14 2440 1 1 f    11  is "^don`t "!d\o _so# .                            / 
 5 5  14 2450 1 1 f    11  "^don`t ret\ire# -                                 / 
 5 5  14 2460 1 1 f    11  I I ^think ret/irement#                            / 
 5 5  14 2470 1 1 f    11  has ^killed !many more !p\eople# -                 / 
 5 5  14 2480 1 1 b    11  ^hear *h\ear#*                                     / 
 5 5  14 2490 1 1 f    11  *[@]* than a ^lot . lot of people :r\ealize# -     / 
 5 5  14 2500 1 1 f    11  if you ^h/ave to#                                  / 
 5 5  14 2510 1 1 f    11  ^then you want to get an!other /interest# -        / 
 5 5  14 2520 1 1 f    11  [@] a ^l\ong t/ime#                                / 
 5 5  14 2530 1 1 f    11  be^fore this forced retirement comes ab\out# -     / 
 5 5  14 2540 1 1 f    11  and a^part from th/at#                             / 
 5 5  14 2550 1 1 f    11  I would ^get a "jolly good ":life p=olicy# .       / 
 5 5  14 2560 1 1 f    11  and a ^jolly good p\ension#                        / 
 5 5  15 2570 1 1 a    11  ^jolly g\ood#                                      / 
 5 5  15 2580 1 1 a    11  ((this)) . ^Christopher Ch\ataway#                 / 
 5 5  15 2590 1 1 c    11  but ^that`s all very w\ell#                        / 
 5 5  15 2600 1 1 c    11  but a ^lot of people do "h\ave to re_tire# -       / 
 5 5  15 2610 1 1 c    11  ^whether it`s right or wr\ong#                     / 
 5 5  15 2620 1 1 c    11  and ^I think it`s :wr\ong# -                       / 
 5 5  15 2630 1 1 c    11  ^all sorts of p/eople#                             / 
 5 5  15 2640 1 2 c    11  do "^have to give up their "!j\ob {at the ^age of  / 
 5 5  15 2640 1 1 c    11  s\ixty#}#                                          / 
 5 5  15 2650 1 1 c    11  and I sup^pose there`re really !thr\ee _things#    / 
 5 5  15 2660 1 1 c    11  you ^have to to . dec/ide# - -                     / 
 5 5  15 2670 1 1 c    11  ^somewhere to "l\ive# -                            / 
 5 5  15 2680 1 1 c    11  ^something to "live \on# -                         / 
 5 5  15 2690 1 1 c    11  and a^bove /all#                                   / 
 5 5  15 2700 1 1 c    11  ^something to ":d\o# -                             / 
 5 5  15 2710 1 1 c    11  and [@] . I sup"^p\/ose#                           / 
 5 5  15 2720 1 1 c    11  that [dhi] . ^w\ise _person#                       / 
 5 5  15 2730 1 1 c    11  who was ^really looking ah\ead#                    / 
 5 5  15 2740 1 1 c    11  would [@ - @] ^make up his m\/ind# .               / 
 5 5  15 2750 1 2 c    11  ^what !were the interests that 'he was going to    / 
 5 5  15 2750 1 1 c    11  pur"!s\ue#                                         / 
 5 5  16 2760 1 1 c    11  at [dhi: . ? w] ^when the day c\ame#               / 
 5 5  16 2770 1 1 c    11  that he ^had to ret\ire# .                         / 
 5 5  16 2780 1 1 c    11  ^what [@ . @] ac"t\/ivities#                       / 
 5 5  16 2790 1 1 c    11  he ^really was going to undert\ake# -              / 
 5 5  16 2800 1 1 c    11  but of ^c\ourse# .                                 / 
 5 5  16 2810 1 1 c    11  it "^is "l\udicrous I th/ink#                      / 
 5 5  16 2820 1 1 c    11  that we "^sh\ould {in^s\ist#}#                     / 
 5 5  16 2830 1 1 c    11  in the ^Civil Service and \elsewhere# -            / 
 5 5  16 2840 1 1 c    11  that ^people should be turned \out#                / 
 5 5  16 2850 1 1 c    11  at the ^age of "s\ixty# -                          / 
 5 5  16 2860 1 1 c    11  when you`ve "^\only {to ^look at Bob :B\oothby#}#  / 
 5 5  16 2870 1 1 c    11  on this ^p\/anel#                                  / 
 5 5  16 2880 1 1 c    11  to ^s\ee a m/an#                                   / 
 5 5  16 2890 1 2 c    11  who`s ^{\obviously} just coming to ma"!!t\urity {at/ 
 5 5  16 2890 1 1 c    11  a^bout that \age#}#                                / 
 5 5  16 2900 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  16 2910 1 1 f    11  *- - -* ^only j\ust#                               / 
 5 5  16 2920 1 1 e    21  I was +^just+ going to                             / 
 5 5  17 2930 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#+ .                                         / 
 5 5  17 2940 1 1 a    11  ^Anthony Wedgwood B\enn#                           / 
 5 5  17 2950 1 1 e    11  I mean I`d I`d I ^do a!gr\ee with Lord B/oothby#   / 
 5 5  17 2960 1 2 e    11  that ^nobody would accuse him of :being the        / 
 5 5  17 2960 1 1 e    11  re!tiring !!s\ort# -                               / 
 5 5  17 2970 1 1 e    11  and [@] *- -* but ^if you look :f\orward#          / 
 5 5  17 2980 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  17 2990 1 1(e    11  [@ @] ^if you take my [@] :d\iary#                 / 
 5 5  17 3000 1 1 e    11  into the ^year two thousand and :twenty-f\ive#     / 
 5 5  17 3010 1 1 e    11  which ^all these chaps have been :g\iggling /at# - / 
 5 5  17 3020 1 1 e    11  the ^first thing you r\ealize#                     / 
 5 5  17 3030 1 1 e    11  is that ^in a"b\out the year two th/ousand#        / 
 5 5  17 3040 1 2 e    11  we shall ^have the 'four 'day 'working             / 
 5 5  17 3040 1 1 e    11  !!m\onth# *--                                      / 
 5 5  17 3050 1 1 e    12  and we shall ^have a - - of ^c\ourse we _shall#*   / 
 5 5  17 3060 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  17 3070 1 1(e    11  there`ll be [t] a ^thousand million :Chin/ese#     / 
 5 5  17 3080 1 1 e    11  and "^hours and "hours of the d/ay#                / 
 5 5  18 3090 1 1 e    11  when ^people "frankly "won`t have to !w\ork# -     / 
 5 5  18 3100 1 1 e    11  and ^quite "s\eriously#                            / 
 5 5  18 3110 1 1 e    11  the ^problem of "l\eisure#                         / 
 5 5  18 3120 1 1 e    11  and of ^edu"!c\ation {for ^l\eisure#}# .           / 
 5 5  18 3130 1 1 e    11  is ^something that !only . comes :h\/ome to _you#  / 
 5 5  18 3140 1 1 e    11  when you "^do project your /eyes#                  / 
 5 5  18 3150 1 1 e    11  be^yond the next b\udget# .                        / 
 5 5  18 3160 1 1 e    11  and the ^next el\ection# .                         / 
 5 5  18 3170 1 1 e    11  to ^see what "!is happening to our soc\iety# .     / 
 5 5  18 3180 1 1 e    11  and ^realize how ":v\ital it is#                   / 
 5 5  18 3190 1 1 e    11  to ^spend "!more on edu:c\ation# .                 / 
 5 5  18 3200 1 1 e    11  ^n\/ow# .                                          / 
 5 5  18 3210 1 2 e    11  ^so that our !children can :not only be ":fit for  / 
 5 5  18 3210 1 1 e    11  the . :technical "!w\ork they`ll be d/oing# .      / 
 5 5  18 3220 1 1 e    11  but be . en"^r\iched#                              / 
 5 5  18 3230 1 1 e    11  and en"^\abled#                                    / 
 5 5  18 3240 1 1 e    11  to en^j\/oy#                                       / 
 5 5  18 3250 1 1 e    11  the ^l\/eisure#                                    / 
 5 5  18 3260 1 1 e    11  which will ^be their l/ot# .                       / 
 5 5  18 3270 1 1 e    11  ^whether they like it [?] or n\ot#                 / 
 5 5  18 3280 1 1 a    11  ^Lord B\oothby#                                    / 
 5 5  19 3290 1 2 b    11  well I would ^just like to :say to :Tony :Wedgwood / 
 5 5  19 3290 1 1 b    11  B/enn#                                             / 
 5 5  19 3300 1 1 b    11  that I`ve - "^just beg\un# -                       / 
 5 5  19 3310 1 1 b    11  to ^\educate mys/elf#                              / 
 5 5  19 3320 1 1 b    11  for the ^l\eisure# -                               / 
 5 5  19 3330 1 1 b    11  that I ^know will be m/ine#                        / 
 5 5  19 3340 1 1 b    11  for the ^next forty y\ears# *--                    / 
 5 5  19 3350 1 1 b    11  and I I I`m ^taking* !great tr/ouble#              / 
 5 5  19 3360 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  19 3370 1 1(b    11  I`m . ^cultivating new /interests# -               / 
 5 5  19 3380 1 2 b    11  but . as . re^gards what . Chris :Ch\ataway        / 
 5 5  19 3380 1 1 b    11  s/aid# -                                           / 
 5 5  19 3390 1 1 b    11  I I ^think . there :is an :\answer {you ^kn\ow#}#  / 
 5 5  19 3400 1 1 b    11  you ^may have to give up a particular j\ob#        / 
 5 5  19 3410 1 1 b    11  under some re^t\irement sch/eme#                   / 
 5 5  19 3420 1 1 b    11  or ^p\ension sch/eme#                              / 
 5 5  19 3430 1 1 b    11  and the ^civil _servants have to g\o I th/ink# -   / 
 5 5  19 3440 1 1 b    11  ^very :s\/oon# .                                   / 
 5 5  19 3450 1 1 b    11  the ^only !reason b/eing#                          / 
 5 5  19 3460 1 1 b    11  that ^otherwise :nobody would ever get pro"m\oted# / 
 5 5  19 3470 1 1 b    11  and ^nobody would go "!\into the Civil S/ervice# . / 
 5 5  20 3480 1 1 b    11  but ^in f\act# -                                   / 
 5 5  20 3490 1 1 b    11  they "^d\o take /on#                               / 
 5 5  20 3500 1 1 b    11  ^other j/obs#                                      / 
 5 5  20 3510 1 1 b    11  as ^soon as they`ve ret\ired#                      / 
 5 5  20 3520 1 2 b    11  and the ^only kind of preparation that I would     / 
 5 5  20 3520 1 1 b    11  ":s\eriously [m@] {^m\ake#}#                       / 
 5 5  20 3530 1 1 b    11  if I was ^in this "!s\ervice# -                    / 
 5 5  20 3540 1 1 b    11  which ^thank God I`m !n=ot# -                      / 
 5 5  20 3550 1 1 b    11  would ^be to find - and !th\ink ab/out# .          / 
 5 5  20 3560 1 1 b    11  an^other j/\ob# -                                  / 
 5 5  20 3570 1 1 b    11  to ^take /on# .                                    / 
 5 5  20 3580 1 1 b    11  when I was . re^tired from that part\icular _one#  / 
 5 5  20 3590 1 1 a    11  - - ^anybody /else#                                / 
 5 5  20 3600 1 1 a    11  *- - ^y\es# .                                      / 
 5 5  20 3610 1 1 a    11  ^Christopher Ch\ataway#*                           / 
 5 5  20 3620 1 1 c    11  *((well)) it`s ^all very w\ell#                    / 
 5 5  20 3630 1 1 c    11  if you`re ^senior enough to be made* a "l\/ord# .  / 
 5 5  20 3640 1 1 c    11  [@] . then you [k] you ^have another j\ob#         / 
 5 5  21 3650 1 1 b    11  *dis"^t\inguished enough* {to be ^made a l\ord#}#  / 
 5 5  21 3660 1 3 c    11  *((and it`s - [?i]))* - but I ^mean it`s ((said    / 
 5 5  21 3660 1 2 c    11  that there`re)) !people who [ri] have are re:t\ired/ 
 5 5  21 3660 1 1 c    11  {at ^s\ixty#}#                                     / 
 5 5  21 3670 1 1 c    11  ^lower !d\own the _scale#                          / 
 5 5  21 3680 1 1 c    11  who ^really "!c\an`t {get an^other j\ob#}#         / 
 5 5  21 3690 1 1 e    11  ^may I \ask {Lord ^B\oothby#}# *.*                 / 
 5 5  21 3700 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 5  21 3710 1 1(e    11  ^whether :he hims\elf#                             / 
 5 5  21 3720 1 1 e    11  ^takes Sir Thomas Beecham`s p/ills#                / 
 5 5  21 3730 1 1 e    11  or ^n\ot#                                          / 
 5 5  21 3740 1 1 aud  20  +(laughter)+                                       / 
 5 5  21 3750 1 1 a    11  +- - - I ^don`t think you \ought to# - -           / 
 5 5  21 3760 1 1 a    11  I`ve a ^sort of feeling you ":sh\ouldn`t+ ask#     / 
 5 5  21 3770 1 1 b    11  well I`ll ^give you the /answer#                   / 
 5 5  21 3780 1 1 b    11  "^c\onstantly#                                     / 
 5 5  21 3790 1 1 b    11  a^long with many \others#                          / 
 5 5  21 3800 1 1 c    11  ^((really)) quite clear that :only "l\ords#        / 
 5 5  21 3810 1 1 c    11  ^whether 'self-admitted or :n\ot#                  / 
 5 5  22 3820 1 1 c    11  can ^advertise on the :BB\C#                       / 
 5 5  22 3830 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  22 3840 1 1 ?    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 5  22 3850 1 1 ?    20  I((`d like))*                                      / 
 5 5  22 3860 1 1 a    11  oh ^n=o#                                           / 
 5 5  22 3870 1 1 a    11  it ^isn`t only l\ords#                             / 
 5 5  22 3880 1 1 a    11  ^Christopher n\o# +-+                              / 
 5 5  22 3890 1 1 a    11  ((a)) ^lot of people do th/at# -                   / 
 5 5  22 3900 1 1 c    11  +((I ^don`t kn\ow#))+                              / 
 5 5  22 3910 1 2(a    11  but ^{\I would a_gree with _Frank _Byers}          / 
 5 5  22 3910 1 1(a    11  "d\on`t# -                                         / 
 5 5  22 3920 1 1 a    11  it`s the ^most over!rated pastime in the w\orld# . / 
 5 5  22 3930 1 1 a    11  ^I retired !th\irteen _years a_go#                 / 
 5 5  22 3940 1 2 a    11  and I`ve ^never [in] been so busy in my            / 
 5 5  22 3940 1 1 a    11  l\ife# - - -                                       / 
 5 5  22 3950 1 1 a    11  and we ^go on to the next question fr=om#          / 
 5 5  22 3960 1 1 h    11  ^Robert [s\o:z]#                                   / 
 5 5  22 3970 1 1 a    11  ^Robert [s\o:z]#                                   / 
 5 5  23 3980 1 1 h    11  ^do the members of the team cons/ider# -           / 
 5 5  23 3990 1 1 h    11  that there is ^any pr\ospect# .                    / 
 5 5  23 4000 1 1 h    11  of the ^Labour P/arty# -                           / 
 5 5  23 4010 1 1 h    11  being ^able to suppl\y#                            / 
 5 5  23 4020 1 1 h    11  an ef^fective oppos\ition# .                       / 
 5 5  23 4030 1 1 h    11  in the ^fore'seeable f\uture# - -                  / 
 5 5  23 4040 1 1 h    11  ^if n\ot# -                                        / 
 5 5  23 4050 1 1 h    11  do they ^think that the !Liberal P/arty# .         / 
 5 5  23 4060 1 1 h    11  will be ^able to d\o _so#                          / 
 5 5  23 4070 1 1 a    11  ^do the members of the team cons\ider#             / 
 5 5  23 4080 1 1 a    11  that there is ^any pr\ospect#                      / 
 5 5  23 4090 1 3 a    11  of the ^Labour Party being :able to sup:ply an     / 
 5 5  23 4090 1 2 a    11  ef:fective 'opposition in the :foreseeable         / 
 5 5  23 4090 1 1 a    11  f\uture# .                                         / 
 5 5  23 4100 1 1 a    11  ((and)) ^if n\ot# .                                / 
 5 5  23 4110 1 1 a    11  do they ^th\ink#                                   / 
 5 5  23 4120 1 1 a    11  that the "^L\iberal P/arty#                        / 
 5 5  23 4130 1 1 a    11  will be ^able to d\o so#                           / 
 5 5  23 4140 1 2 a    11  well ^this will give a :chance to !!tw\o members of/ 
 5 5  23 4140 1 1 a    11  the t/eam#                                         / 
 5 5  23 4150 1 1 a    11  ^\anyhow# -                                        / 
 5 5  24 4160 1 1 a    11  [@] ^who`d like to st\art this#                    / 
 5 5  24 4170 1 1 a    11  ^Frank B/yers#                                     / 
 5 5  24 4180 1 1 a    11  ^come /on#                                         / 
 5 5  24 4190 1 1 a    11  ^you 'lead \off#                                   / 
 5 5  24 4200 1 1 f    11  ^w/\ell#                                           / 
 5 5  24 4210 1 1 f    11  I I think it`s a ^very !interesting !qu/\estion# . / 
 5 5  24 4220 1 1 f    11  [@] I ^didn`t 'put it !d\own#                      / 
 5 5  24 4230 1 1 f    11  ^I may s/ay#                                       / 
 5 5  24 4240 1 1 f    11  ( - - laughs) but of ^c\ourse#                     / 
 5 5  24 4250 1 1 f    11  ^I don`t bel/ieve#                                 / 
 5 5  24 4260 1 1 f    11  that [dhi] ^Labour P/arty#                         / 
 5 5  24 4270 1 1 f    11  ^\is going to be /able#                            / 
 5 5  24 4280 1 1 f    11  to pro^d/uce# -                                    / 
 5 5  24 4290 1 1 f    11  [@] an ef"^f\ective oppos/ition# -                 / 
 5 5  24 4300 1 1 f    11  [@] for ^many y\ears to c/ome#                     / 
 5 5  24 4310 1 1 f    11  ^if !\ever# -                                      / 
 5 5  24 4320 1 1 f    11  the "^spl\it in the Labour P/arty#                 / 
 5 5  24 4330 1 1 f    11  is ^not just on the :question of de"f/ence# .      / 
 5 5  24 4340 1 1 f    11  although ^that`s a very funda"!m\ental one#        / 
 5 5  24 4350 1 1 f    11  and a very "^r\eal /one#                           / 
 5 5  24 4360 1 1 f    11  ((and)) a very sin"^c\ere _split# -                / 
 5 5  24 4370 1 2 f    11  they`re ^split on the :question of the             / 
 5 5  24 4370 1 1 f    11  "!l/eadership# -                                   / 
 5 5  25 4380 1 1 f    11  they`re . ^split on the qu/estion#                 / 
 5 5  25 4390 1 1 f    11  as to ^whether Members of "!!P/arliament#          / 
 5 5  25 4400 1 1 f    11  should ^take [@] their "/orders#                   / 
 5 5  25 4410 1 1 f    11  from the ^Labour Party "!Conference or !n/ot# -    / 
 5 5  25 4420 1 2 f    11  and they`re ^split on a number of other issues     / 
 5 5  25 4420 1 1 f    11  "!t\oo# - -                                        / 
 5 5  25 4430 1 1 f    11  and . "^\in these c/ircumstances#                  / 
 5 5  25 4440 1 1 f    11  you`ve ^only got to !s\ee#                         / 
 5 5  25 4450 1 1 f    11  what`s been ^h\appening in the House of C/ommons#  / 
 5 5  25 4460 1 1 f    11  over the ^last few "!!m\onths# -                   / 
 5 5  25 4470 1 1 f    11  [@] ^members aren`t attending de"!b/ates# -        / 
 5 5  25 4480 1 1 f    12  on ^all on ^all s/ides#                            / 
 5 5  25 4490 1 1 f    11  ^all p/arties# -                                   / 
 5 5  25 4500 1 1 f    11  [@:] the the ^st/andard#                           / 
 5 5  25 4510 1 1 f    11  ^seems to be going d/own#                          / 
 5 5  25 4520 1 1 f    11  ^r/apidly# -                                       / 
 5 5  25 4530 1 1 f    11  ^and 'you 'are "!n\ot# -                           / 
 5 5  25 4540 1 1 f    11  with^in !any fore":s\eeable f/uture#               / 
 5 5  25 4550 1 2 f    11  ^going to get a :really "healthy ef!f\ective       / 
 5 5  25 4550 1 1 f    11  oppos/ition#                                       / 
 5 5  25 4560 1 1 f    11  which you`ve "^g\ot to h/ave# -                    / 
 5 5  26 4570 1 1 f    11  if you`re ^going to "shake the g/overnment#        / 
 5 5  26 4580 1 1 f    11  ^out of its com"!!pl\acency# - -                   / 
 5 5  26 4590 1 1 f    11  now the ^Liberal Party "!c\an {pro^d\uce#}# -      / 
 5 5  26 4600 1 1 f    11  ^this effective oppos/ition#                       / 
 5 5  26 4610 1 1 f    11  if "^only people will "v/ote#                      / 
 5 5  26 4620 1 1 f    11  in suf^f\icient n/umbers#                          / 
 5 5  26 4630 1 1 f    11  to ^put !more Liberals !!b\ack# -                  / 
 5 5  26 4640 1 1 f    11  but ^let us "!f\ace it# -                          / 
 5 5  26 4650 1 1 f    11  ^at the m/oment# -                                 / 
 5 5  26 4660 1 1 f    11  al^though we got nearly ":tw\o million v/otes#     / 
 5 5  26 4670 1 1 f    11  at the ^last el/ection#                            / 
 5 5  26 4680 1 1 f    11  we`ve got "^six Members of !!P\arliament# .        / 
 5 5  26 4690 1 1 f    11  and the ^b\urden of those s/ix#                    / 
 5 5  26 4700 1 1 f    11  is tre"^m\endous# -                                / 
 5 5  26 4710 1 2 f    11  they`re ^having to do a tre!m\endous amount of     / 
 5 5  26 4710 1 1 f    11  w/ork# -                                           / 
 5 5  26 4720 1 1 f    11  and . there`re ^very few :\of them# -              / 
 5 5  26 4730 1 1 f    11  and ^I think it r/ests#                            / 
 5 5  26 4740 1 1 f    11  with the e"^l\ectorate#                            / 
 5 5  26 4750 1 2 f    11  this is ^something which has "g\ot {to be ^put     / 
 5 5  26 4750 1 1 f    11  r\ight#}#                                          / 
 5 5  27 4760 1 1 f    11  you`ve "^g\ot to have an ef:fective oppos/ition#   / 
 5 5  27 4770 1 2 f    11  if you`re ^going to [haedg] to have good           / 
 5 5  27 4770 1 1 f    11  "g\overnment# .                                    / 
 5 5  27 4780 1 1 f    11  and the ^L\abour P/arty#                           / 
 5 5  27 4790 1 1 f    11  I "^cannot 'see them pro'ducing it :at !\all#      / 
 5 5  27 4800 1 1 a    11  - - ^Anthony Wedgwood B/enn#                       / 
 5 5  27 4810 1 1 e    11  ^well of c\ourse#                                  / 
 5 5  27 4820 1 1 e    11  ^Frank B\yers#                                     / 
 5 5  27 4830 1 1 e    11  in^v\igorated#                                     / 
 5 5  27 4840 1 1 e    11  by his e^lectoral de:feat in :B\/olton#            / 
 5 5  27 4850 1 2 e    11  is a ^very [@] - - auth:oritative "!v\oice on      / 
 5 5  27 4850 1 1 e    11  this# -                                            / 
 5 5  27 4860 1 1 e    11  but ^if you l\ook#                                 / 
 5 5  27 4870 1 1 e    11  at [t@t] - at the ^c\ountry#                       / 
 5 5  27 4880 1 1 e    11  at the at the ^m\oment#                            / 
 5 5  27 4890 1 1 e    11  and the ^various . [ait] . :areas of "p\olicy#     / 
 5 5  27 4900 1 1 e    11  of ^course the "only ef"!f\ective# -               / 
 5 5  27 4910 1 1 e    11  po^litical oppos/ition#                            / 
 5 5  27 4920 1 1 e    11  is ^coming 'from the Labour :P\arty# .             / 
 5 5  27 4930 1 1 e    11  the ^L\iberal _Party# .                            / 
 5 5  27 4940 1 1 e    11  in its econ^\omic p/olicy# -                       / 
 5 5  27 4950 1 1 e    11  is ^really ":less forward-l\/ooking#               / 
 5 5  28 4960 1 1 e    11  ^even than the Con:s\ervative _Party# .            / 
 5 5  28 4970 1 1 e    11  the "^b\ulk {of the ^Liberal :P\arty#}# .          / 
 5 5  28 4980 1 1 e    11  on ^\Africa#                                       / 
 5 5  28 4990 1 1 e    11  they ^d\o# .                                       / 
 5 5  28 5000 1 1 e    11  a^gr\ee#                                           / 
 5 5  28 5010 1 1 e    11  ^very !l\argely#                                   / 
 5 5  28 5020 1 2 e    11  with . a ^lot of what the :L\abour Party((`s))     / 
 5 5  28 5020 1 1 e    11  s/aid# .                                           / 
 5 5  28 5030 1 1 e    11  on "^f\oreign p/olicy#                             / 
 5 5  28 5040 1 1 e    11  they are as . ^deeply div\ided#                    / 
 5 5  28 5050 1 1 e    11  between the uni^lateralists and the /others# .     / 
 5 5  28 5060 1 2 e    13  *^as [dhi] ^as [dhi] ^as the Labour !P\arty        / 
 5 5  28 5060 1 1 e    13  ((is))#* .                                         / 
 5 5  28 5070 1 1 f    11  *^\oh#                                             / 
 5 5  28 5080 1 1 f    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 5 5  28 5090 1 1 f    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 5 5  28 5100 1 1 f    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 5 5  28 5110 1 1 f    11  ^\oh#*                                             / 
 5 5  28 5120 1 1 e    12  +((the)) ^young Liberals of ^c\ourse# .            / 
 5 5  28 5130 1 1 e    22  ^all the ^all the+                                 / 
 5 5  28 5140 1 1 ?    11  +^come ((\off))#                                   / 
 5 5  28 5150 1 1 ?    11  ^come ((\off it))#                                 / 
 5 5  28 5160 1 1 ?    11  ^come ((\off it))#+                                / 
 5 5  28 5170 1 1 e    11  young ^all the young :L\/iberals#                  / 
 5 5  28 5180 1 2 e    11  as like "^most young people in :this country       / 
 5 5  28 5180 1 1 e    11  tod/ay# .                                          / 
 5 5  28 5190 1 1 e    11  "^most [@ @] po:litically :\active young p/eople# ./ 
 5 5  28 5200 1 1 e    11  are ^uni!l\ateralist#                              / 
 5 5  28 5210 1 1 e    11  and this ap^plies to the Liberal P=arty# .         / 
 5 5  29 5220 1 1 e    11  as ^much as to the !L\abour _Party# *.*            / 
 5 5  29 5230 1 1 f    11  *^n\onsense#*                                      / 
 5 5  29 5240 1 1(e    11  but you ^kn\ow#                                    / 
 5 5  29 5250 1 1 e    11  it`s it`s [@] ^\interesting e_nough#               / 
 5 5  29 5260 1 1 e    11  ((even)) it`s a^m\using#                           / 
 5 5  29 5270 1 1 e    11  to ^talk about :this in :terms of person/alities#  / 
 5 5  29 5280 1 1 e    11  but ^what is "!!r\eally h/appening# -              / 
 5 5  29 5290 1 1 e    11  is a ^fundamental ch\/ange#                        / 
 5 5  29 5300 1 1 e    11  in the "^character of :British !p\olitics#         / 
 5 5  29 5310 1 1 e    11  which ^I for one !w\elcome# -                      / 
 5 5  29 5320 1 1 e    11  and [@v] ^as you would ex:p\ect# -                 / 
 5 5  29 5330 1 1 e    11  it`s e^m/erging#                                   / 
 5 5  29 5340 1 1 e    11  ^through the . !L\eft# - -                         / 
 5 5  29 5350 1 1 e    11  ^ch\anges in p/olitics#                            / 
 5 5  29 5360 1 1 e    11  "^d\on`t emerge through the R/ight# -              / 
 5 5  29 5370 1 1 e    11  they ^work -them . -selves /out# -                 / 
 5 5  29 5380 1 1 e    11  ^through the L\eft# -                              / 
 5 5  29 5390 1 1 e    11  and ^what is :h\/appening# .                       / 
 5 5  29 5400 1 1 e    11  in ^Br\itain tod/ay# -                             / 
 5 5  29 5410 1 1 e    11  ^is ['ei] de!m\and#                                / 
 5 5  29 5420 1 1 e    11  for an en^tirely new "!f\oreign p/olicy#           / 
 5 5  30 5430 1 1 e    11  ^quite d\ifferent#                                 / 
 5 5  30 5440 1 1 e    11  from the ^c\old war p/olicy# .                     / 
 5 5  30 5450 1 1 e    11  is e^merging "from the "!L/eft# -                  / 
 5 5  30 5460 1 1 e    11  ^also a new :attitude to !African qu\estions#      / 
 5 5  30 5470 1 1 e    11  is e^merging . 'from the L/eft# .                  / 
 5 5  30 5480 1 1 e    11  and "^\also#                                       / 
 5 5  30 5490 1 1 e    11  a "^growing realiz:\ation# .                       / 
 5 5  30 5500 1 1 e    11  which the ^sp\utnik#                               / 
 5 5  30 5510 1 1 e    11  be"^g/\an {to ^put in our !m\inds#}# -             / 
 5 5  30 5520 1 1 e    11  that in the "^world . 'of to!d\ay# -               / 
 5 5  30 5530 1 1 e    11  ^s\ocialism# .                                     / 
 5 5  30 5540 1 1 e    11  ^as a !means of economic pl\/anning# .             / 
 5 5  30 5550 1 1 e    11  is ^more - ef!f\icient# -                          / 
 5 5  30 5560 1 1 e    11  ^than - c\apitalism# -                             / 
 5 5  30 5570 1 1 e    11  and this is ^pr=oved#                              / 
 5 5  30 5580 1 1 e    11  by the com^p\arison# .                             / 
 5 5  30 5590 1 1 e    11  be^tween the . !Eastern European . adv/ance# -     / 
 5 5  30 5600 1 1 e    11  and ^W\estern European {ad^v\ance#}# -             / 
 5 5  30 5610 1 1 e    11  now ^that`s not to say !c=ommunism#                / 
 5 5  30 5620 1 1 e    11  it`s ^something /else# .                           / 
 5 5  30 5630 1 1 e    11  but the i^d\ea#                                    / 
 5 5  31 5640 1 1 e    11  of "^private ":\/enterprise# -                     / 
 5 5  31 5650 1 1 e    11  ^offering any "h\ope# - -                          / 
 5 5  31 5660 1 1 e    11  to [ei] - com^m\unity#                             / 
 5 5  31 5670 1 1 e    11  ^like our :\own#                                   / 
 5 5  31 5680 1 1 e    11  in the ^world tod/ay# .                            / 
 5 5  31 5690 1 1 e    11  is "^gr\adually#                                   / 
 5 5  31 5700 1 1 e    11  being ^r\/ealized# .                               / 
 5 5  31 5710 1 1 e    11  to be . ^out of d\ate# -                           / 
 5 5  31 5720 1 2 e    11  now ^this is - causing con!f\usion {on the         / 
 5 5  31 5720 1 1 e    11  ^L\eft#}# -                                        / 
 5 5  31 5730 1 1 e    11  but it ^str\engthens#                              / 
 5 5  31 5740 1 1 e    11  ^my faith in the L/eft# -                          / 
 5 5  31 5750 1 1 e    11  ^rather than . in !any w/ay# .                     / 
 5 5  31 5760 1 1 e    11  ^sh\aking it# - - -                                / 
 5 5  31 5770 1 1 a    11  *^Christopher Ch\ataway#*                          / 
 5 5  31 5780 1 1 c    11  *I`ve ^seldom* h\eard a string of s/entences#      / 
 5 5  31 5790 1 1 c    11  that I ^really do bel\ieve#                        / 
 5 5  31 5800 1 1 c    11  to . con^tain !!qu\ite so m/any# .                 / 
 5 5  31 5810 1 1 c    11  [@ @] ^faulty an\/alyses#                          / 
 5 5  31 5820 1 1 c    11  of the ^present situ:\ation# -                     / 
 5 5  31 5830 1 1 c    11  [@?] . I I "^d\on`t bel/ieve#                      / 
 5 5  31 5840 1 2 c    11  that this ^country is :swinging to                 / 
 5 5  31 5840 1 1 c    11  uni:l\/ateralism#                                  / 
 5 5  31 5850 1 2 c    11  if [@] ^that is what [@] :Anthony Wedgwood Benn    / 
 5 5  31 5850 1 1 c    11  m\eans#                                            / 
 5 5  32 5860 1 1 c    11  by a - ^great "ch=ange#                            / 
 5 5  32 5870 1 1 c    11  and a de"^m=and#                                   / 
 5 5  32 5880 1 1 c    11  for a "^n=ew# .                                    / 
 5 5  32 5890 1 1 c    11  ^policy in foreign aff/airs# .                     / 
 5 5  32 5900 1 1 c    11  I`m ^sure that it`s a ":very "very small min\ority#/ 
 5 5  32 5910 1 1 c    11  who ^want to discard . our . [@] def\ences# -      / 
 5 5  32 5920 1 1 c    11  and [@] ^m\y#                                      / 
 5 5  32 5930 1 1 c    11  [??] . ^p\ersonal op/inion#                        / 
 5 5  32 5940 1 1 c    11  ^is that [dhi] !Labour P/arty#                     / 
 5 5  32 5950 1 1 c    11  are ^bound to spl\it {be^fore l\ong#}# - -         / 
 5 5  32 5960 1 1 c    11  [@] and that ^this "w\ill# .                       / 
 5 5  32 5970 1 1 c    11  be [ei] ^g\ood _thing#                             / 
 5 5  32 5980 1 1 c    11  for ^British !p/olitics#                           / 
 5 5  32 5990 1 2 c    11  be^cause it will lead to 'an effective             / 
 5 5  32 5990 1 1 c    11  oppos\ition# -                                     / 
 5 5  32 6000 1 1 c    11  my "^g\uess would b/e#                             / 
 5 5  32 6010 1 1 c    11  that be"^fore l/ong#                               / 
 5 5  32 6020 1 1 c    11  we ^shall s/ee#                                    / 
 5 5  32 6030 1 1 c    11  [dhi:] ^G\aitskellite# -                           / 
 5 5  32 6040 1 1 c    11  [@] ^w/ing#                                        / 
 5 5  32 6050 1 1 c    11  of [dhi] ^Labour P/arty#                           / 
 5 5  32 6060 1 1 c    11  the "^R\ight Wing of the Labour P/arty# .          / 
 5 5  32 6070 1 1 c    11  "^coming to 'some sort of a :d\eal#                / 
 5 5  33 6080 1 1 c    11  "^with the Liberal P/arty#                         / 
 5 5  33 6090 1 1 c    11  and [ei] . ^new opposition em\erging# -            / 
 5 5  33 6100 1 1 c    11  be^cause [@] it "!\is cl/ear#                      / 
 5 5  33 6110 1 1 c    11  that [dhi - @] . ^small !L\eft Wing f/action#      / 
 5 5  33 6120 1 1 c    11  ^d\o _speak#                                       / 
 5 5  33 6130 1 1 c    11  for a a ^min\ority v/iew {on de^f/ence#}# -        / 
 5 5  33 6140 1 1 c    11  ^and [@] . !on [@] socialism t\oo#                 / 
 5 5  33 6150 1 2 c    11  because of ^course [@] . "!far from there being a  / 
 5 5  33 6150 1 1 c    11  "!tr\end towards socialism in the w/orld# -        / 
 5 5  33 6160 1 1 c    11  ^{{\every} - !s\ingle} demo"!cr\atic#              / 
 5 5  33 6170 1 1 c    11  ^n\/ation# -                                       / 
 5 5  33 6180 1 1 c    11  "^\in the w/orld# -                                / 
 5 5  33 6190 1 1 c    11  ^has [@] . given !\up#                             / 
 5 5  33 6200 1 1 c    11  [@] the i^d\eas of s/ocialism#                     / 
 5 5  33 6210 1 2 c    11  that are ^held ((by)) the Left Wing of [dhi] -     / 
 5 5  33 6210 1 1 c    11  Labour P\arty#                                     / 
 5 5  33 6220 1 1 c    11  and [@] ^one`s !s\een# -                           / 
 5 5  33 6230 1 1 c    11  oh ^only !r\ecently# -                             / 
 5 5  33 6240 1 2 c    11  [dhi] . "^G\erman {^Socialist P\arty#} {for        / 
 5 5  33 6240 1 1 c    11  ex^\ample#}# -                                     / 
 5 5  33 6250 1 1 c    11  [@] re^f\orming its/elf#                           / 
 5 5  33 6260 1 1 c    11  in the ^way that the Right W/ing# -                / 
 5 5  33 6270 1 1 c    11  would ^l\ike#                                      / 
 5 5  33 6280 1 2 c    11  [@] to [s] to to to to ^happen in !th\is           / 
 5 5  33 6280 1 1 c    11  _country# .                                        / 
 5 5  34 6290 1 1 c    11  I`m ^sure that it !w\ill before l/ong# .           / 
 5 5  34 6300 1 1 c    11  and "^wh\en#                                       / 
 5 5  34 6310 1 1 c    11  that "^d\oes arr/ive#                              / 
 5 5  34 6320 1 1 c    11  "^th\en#                                           / 
 5 5  34 6330 1 2 c    11  there will be the ^possibility of an ef:fective    / 
 5 5  34 6330 1 1 c    11  oppo:s\ition#                                      / 
 5 5  34 6340 1 1 a    11  ^Lord B\oothby#                                    / 
 5 5  34 6350 1 1 b    11  ^w=ell# -                                          / 
 5 5  34 6360 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t th\ink you _know#                         / 
 5 5  34 6370 1 2 b    11  that ^Tony Wedgwood Benn can :seriously say that   / 
 5 5  34 6370 1 1 b    11  :personalities - don`t !m\atter# - -               / 
 5 5  34 6380 1 2 b    11  because ^I think they :d\o _matter                 / 
 5 5  34 6380 1 1 b    11  {tre^m\endously#}#                                 / 
 5 5  34 6390 1 1 b    11  in . [po?] (([@])) ^p\olitics tod/ay#              / 
 5 5  34 6400 1 1 b    11  and es^pecially in the :politics of the :L\eft# - -/ 
 5 5  34 6410 1 1 b    11  ^what has :h\appened is#                           / 
 5 5  34 6420 1 1 b    11  that ^c\ertain# -                                  / 
 5 5  34 6430 1 1 b    11  ^{div\isions} of o!p\inion#                        / 
 5 5  34 6440 1 1 b    11  have a^r\isen#                                     / 
 5 5  34 6450 1 1 b    11  as they ^often d\o#                                / 
 5 5  34 6460 1 1 b    11  in the ^party of the L/eft#                        / 
 5 5  34 6470 1 1 b    11  the ^Labour P\arty# - -                            / 
 5 5  34 6480 1 1 b    11  but ^what has !!{n\ow} ar\isen#                    / 
 5 5  34 6490 1 1 b    11  as a re^s\/ult of them# -                          / 
 5 5  35 6500 1 1 b    11  is "^bitter internecine str/ife# .                 / 
 5 5  35 6510 1 1 b    11  ^ending in "!s\/earing# .                          / 
 5 5  35 6520 1 1 b    11  "^p\/ersonal# .                                    / 
 5 5  35 6530 1 1 b    11  "^h\atreds# -                                      / 
 5 5  35 6540 1 1 b    11  ^now !I l\unched#                                  / 
 5 5  35 6550 1 1 b    11  the ^day before y/esterday#                        / 
 5 5  35 6560 1 1 b    11  with ^one of the !l\eaders# .                      / 
 5 5  35 6570 1 1 b    11  of the ^Labour P/arty#                             / 
 5 5  35 6580 1 1 b    11  whose ^name must obviously be kept - :qu\iet#      / 
 5 5  35 6590 1 1 b    11  ^I can`t . re!p\eat it#                            / 
 5 5  35 6600 1 1 b    11  but ^he said to m\e# .                             / 
 5 5  35 6610 1 1 b    11  he ^s=aid# .                                       / 
 5 5  35 6620 1 1 b    11  the ^h\atreds# .                                   / 
 5 5  35 6630 1 1 b    11  in ^our p\arty# .                                  / 
 5 5  35 6640 1 1 b    11  have ^now become :so "gr\eat# -                    / 
 5 5  35 6650 1 1 b    11  ^so "v\icious# -                                   / 
 5 5  35 6660 1 1 b    12  that ^they [@] they tran^sc\/end# .                / 
 5 5  35 6670 1 1 b    11  "^any div/isions#                                  / 
 5 5  35 6680 1 1 b    11  about ^policies 'whatso\ever# -                    / 
 5 5  35 6690 1 2 b    11  the ^people who are de:termined to get rid of      / 
 5 5  35 6690 1 1 b    11  G/aitskell#                                        / 
 5 5  35 6700 1 1 b    11  and . of ^his cr/owd# -                            / 
 5 5  35 6710 1 1 b    11  [a?e] ^that is their over"!whelming m\otive# .     / 
 5 5  35 6720 1 1 b    11  [dhe] I mean ^nuclear dis!=armament#               / 
 5 5  35 6730 1 1 b    11  and ^all th\at _kind of _thing#                    / 
 5 5  35 6740 1 1 b    11  really "^f/\ades {into the ^b\ackground#}#         / 
 5 5  36 6750 1 1 b    11  and ^as for being an :oppo":s\ition#               / 
 5 5  36 6760 1 1 b    11  or ^talking about the :Tory P\arty# -              / 
 5 5  36 6770 1 1 b    11  it ^bores them st\iff# -                           / 
 5 5  36 6780 1 1 b    11  "^all they`re de":termined to d\o#                 / 
 5 5  36 6790 1 1 b    11  is to ^cut each other`s thr\oats#                  / 
 5 5  36 6800 1 2 b    11  and the ^thing has !settled down into an "!iron    / 
 5 5  36 6800 1 1 b    11  div\ision#                                         / 
 5 5  36 6810 1 2 b    11  of I ^think it is what a :hundred and              / 
 5 5  36 6810 1 1 b    11  sixty-/eight# .                                    / 
 5 5  36 6820 1 2 b    11  ^versus :seventy-two in the :parliamentary L\abour / 
 5 5  36 6820 1 1 b    11  _Party# .                                          / 
 5 5  36 6830 1 1 b    11  ^none of whom will :sp\eak to each _other#         / 
 5 5  36 6840 1 2 b    11  and ^all of whom want to cut each other`s          / 
 5 5  36 6840 1 1 b    11  thr\oats# -                                        / 
 5 5  36 6850 1 1 b    11  ^now !I think this is a :very bad th\ing# -        / 
 5 5  36 6860 1 1 b    11  ^bad thing for British dem\ocracy# -               / 
 5 5  36 6870 1 1 b    12  I [@] . ^watched I [w@] I`m ^\old e_nough#         / 
 5 5  36 6880 1 2 b    12  to have ^watched the !Labour . the ^L\iberal       / 
 5 5  36 6880 1 1 b    12  _Party#                                            / 
 5 5  37 6890 1 1 b    11  de^str\oy it_self# .                               / 
 5 5  37 6900 1 1 b    11  by the ^Asquith :Lloyd George f\eud# .             / 
 5 5  37 6910 1 1 b    11  it ^seems to me that on a !!far greater sc\ale# -  / 
 5 5  37 6920 1 2 b    11  ex^actly the same thing is happening in the Labour / 
 5 5  37 6920 1 1 b    11  Party tod\ay# -                                    / 
 5 5  37 6930 1 2 b    11  I ^think the :Labour Party 'is - de:str\oying      / 
 5 5  37 6930 1 1 b    11  it_self# -                                         / 
 5 5  37 6940 1 1 b    11  ^quite fr/ankly# -                                 / 
 5 5  37 6950 1 2 b    11  and I ^think [@:] un:less they can get !r\id of    / 
 5 5  37 6950 1 1 b    11  this#                                              / 
 5 5  37 6960 1 2 b    11  and I ^don`t see :how they`re :going to r/id of    / 
 5 5  37 6960 1 1 b    11  it# .                                              / 
 5 5  37 6970 1 1 b    11  ^get r/id of it# -                                 / 
 5 5  37 6980 1 1 b    11  [@:] . they ^m\ust _split# -                       / 
 5 5  37 6990 1 2 b    12  and there ^[ma] they must ^form themselves into    / 
 5 5  37 6990 1 1 b    12  :two separate p\arties# -                          / 
 5 5  37 7000 1 1 b    11  ^d\eeply div/ided# .                               / 
 5 5  37 7010 1 1 b    11  an "^independent Labour Party of the L/eft#        / 
 5 5  37 7020 1 1 b    11  which ex^\isted#                                   / 
 5 5  37 7030 1 1 b    11  ^when I first came into the House of C\ommons# .   / 
 5 5  37 7040 1 1 b    11  and an of^ficial Labour Party of the R/ight#       / 
 5 5  38 7050 1 2 b    11  which might "^well tie up 'with the L\iberal       / 
 5 5  38 7050 1 1 b    11  _Party#                                            / 
 5 5  38 7060 1 1 f    11  ^Frank B\yers#                                     / 
 5 5  38 7070 1 1 f    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 5  38 7080 1 1 f    11  that`s a ^very interesting specu:l\ation# -        / 
 5 5  38 7090 1 1 f    11  [@:m] but of ^c\ourse#                             / 
 5 5  38 7100 1 1 f    11  a ^lot of L/abour _people#                         / 
 5 5  38 7110 1 1 f    11  are al^{r\eady} coming !\over the rank and f/ile#  / 
 5 5  38 7120 1 1 f    11  ^to the L\iberal _Party#                           / 
 5 5  38 7130 1 1 f    11  we ^saw that in the last el/ection#                / 
 5 5  38 7140 1 1 f    11  we`ve ^seen it in the b/y-e_lections#              / 
 5 5  38 7150 1 2 f    11  and we`ve ^seen it in the local !g\overnment       / 
 5 5  38 7150 1 1 f    11  e_lections# -                                      / 
 5 5  38 7160 1 2 f    11  [@:] ^when the Liberal :Party gets a :great deal   / 
 5 5  38 7160 1 1 f    11  str/onger#                                         / 
 5 5  38 7170 1 1 f    11  it`s ^p/ossible#                                   / 
 5 5  38 7180 1 1 f    11  that there ^might be a "deal of some s\ort#        / 
 5 5  38 7190 1 1 f    11  but I "^very much d\oubt#                          / 
 5 5  38 7200 1 1 f    11  ^whether it would be a d\eal#                      / 
 5 5  38 7210 1 2 f    11  I ^think you`ll find the !Liberal Party coming     / 
 5 5  38 7210 1 1 f    11  /up# -                                             / 
 5 5  39 7220 1 1 f    11  and [@] ^quite a "!l\ot _more L/abour#             / 
 5 5  39 7230 1 1 f    11  ^coming "!\into it# -                              / 
 5 5  39 7240 1 2 f    11  but I ^want to take [@] :Tony Wedgwood B\enn       / 
 5 5  39 7240 1 1 f    11  {^\up#}#                                           / 
 5 5  39 7250 1 1 f    11  on this . "^n\onsense he t/alked# -                / 
 5 5  39 7260 1 1 f    11  about ^economic "p\olicy# - -                      / 
 5 5  39 7270 1 1 f    11  he ^said that the Labour Party`s :economic p/olicy#/ 
 5 5  39 7280 1 1 f    11  was ^{much more f\orward}-l\ooking# .              / 
 5 5  39 7290 1 1 f    11  well now ^what !\is it#                            / 
 5 5  39 7300 1 2 f    11  this is an^\other _thing {on ^which they`re        / 
 5 5  39 7300 1 1 f    11  spl\it#}#                                          / 
 5 5  39 7310 1 1 f    11  ^this is what clause !!f\our is a_bout# -          / 
 5 5  39 7320 1 1 f    11  they ^can`t make up their m/inds# .                / 
 5 5  39 7330 1 1 f    11  ^whether they want m/ore#                          / 
 5 5  39 7340 1 1 f    11  or ^less nationaliz!\ation# .                      / 
 5 5  39 7350 1 1 f    11  and ^that`s wh/y#                                  / 
 5 5  39 7360 1 1 f    11  they ^cannot m/ake#                                / 
 5 5  39 7370 1 1 f    11  ef^fective cr/iticism#                             / 
 5 5  39 7380 1 1 f    11  ^in the House of !C\ommons# .                      / 
 5 5  39 7390 1 1 f    11  now ^let`s \also take /up#                         / 
 5 5  39 7400 1 1 f    11  ^this qu/estion#                                   / 
 5 5  39 7410 1 1 f    11  of the ^uni!l\ateralist _split#                    / 
 5 5  40 7420 1 1 f    11  in the ^L\iberal _Party# .                         / 
 5 5  40 7430 1 1 f    11  ^this is very :n\aughty#                           / 
 5 5  40 7440 1 1 f    11  I don`t ^l\ike this sort of thing from T/ony# .    / 
 5 5  40 7450 1 1 f    11  ^we only had one reso!!l\ution# .                  / 
 5 5  40 7460 1 1 f    11  we ^didn`t have !!tw\o# -                          / 
 5 5  40 7470 1 1 f    11  that`s what ^th\ey _had# .                         / 
 5 5  40 7480 1 1 f    11  and "^on that one resol/ution#                     / 
 5 5  40 7490 1 1 f    11  there was an "^eight to :one ma:j\ority# .         / 
 5 5  40 7500 1 1 f    11  in ^favour of the official p\olicy# .              / 
 5 5  40 7510 1 1 f    11  now ^we don`t get over :\our pr/oblems# .          / 
 5 5  40 7520 1 1 f    11  [@:] by ^just having !tw\o resol/utions#           / 
 5 5  40 7530 1 1 f    11  and ^voting different ways on !b\oth of them#      / 
 5 5  40 7540 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  40 7550 1 1 e    11  *[@] ^y\es#                                        / 
 5 5  40 7560 1 1 e    11  +but you ^kn\ow#+                                  / 
 5 5  40 7570 2 1 e    22  [@:]* - [@] . ^[dhi @m] . the                      / 
 5 5  40 7580 1 1 a    11  +^\Anthony Wedgwood B/enn#+                        / 
 5 5  40 7570 1 1(e    12  ^p\ersonal {^r\ows#} {^th\ere#}#                   / 
 5 5  40 7590 1 1 e    11  ^nobody de:n\ies _this#                            / 
 5 5  41 7600 1 1 e    11  but ^what is . im":p\ortant#                       / 
 5 5  41 7610 1 1 e    11  and ^\/interesting#                                / 
 5 5  41 7620 1 1 e    11  is the po^litical . "m\ovement# .                  / 
 5 5  41 7630 1 1 e    11  of our ^t\imes# -                                  / 
 5 5  41 7640 1 1 e    11  and there`s ^absolutely :no question at !\all#     / 
 5 5  41 7650 1 1 e    11  that ^socialism "in the !w\orld#                   / 
 5 5  41 7660 1 1 e    11  ^as a m\ethod {of ^economic :pl\anning#}# -        / 
 5 5  41 7670 1 1 e    11  is "^overtaking c/apitalism# -                     / 
 5 5  41 7680 1 1 e    11  ^h/and over !f\ist# *-                             / 
 5 5  41 7690 1 1 e    11  and this is [dzha]* . [dh] the ^point \is#         / 
 5 5  41 7700 1 1 f    21  *^democratic socialism*                            / 
 5 5  41 7710 1 1(e    11  the ^eco"!nomic "!pl\anning#                       / 
 5 5  41 7720 1 1 e    11  which has ^nothing whatso:ever to "d\o#            / 
 5 5  41 7730 1 1 e    11  with [dhi] po^litical ":t\yranny#                  / 
 5 5  41 7740 1 1 e    11  that has ^lain be:hind it in the p/ast#            / 
 5 5  41 7750 1 1 e    11  and ^still . lies be:h\ind it# .                   / 
 5 5  41 7760 1 1 e    11  to ^s\ome ex_tent {in the ^pr\esent#}# -           / 
 5 5  41 7770 1 1 e    11  but [dhi] . ^[s@u] !Soviet /Union#                 / 
 5 5  41 7780 1 1 e    11  is ^spending three times as m=uch#                 / 
 5 5  41 7790 1 1 e    11  on edu^c\ation {as ^this c\ountry#}# -             / 
 5 5  41 7800 1 2 e    11  al^though its !standard of ((living)) is half as   / 
 5 5  41 7800 1 1 e    11  !h\igh# -                                          / 
 5 5  42 7810 1 1 e    11  and with^in about ten or fifteen y\ears#           / 
 5 5  42 7820 1 1 e    11  ^people are going to be :\asking# -                / 
 5 5  42 7830 1 1 e    11  [f@] ^why on !earth it !w/\as#                     / 
 5 5  42 7840 1 1 e    11  that ^Britain was allowed to [d] get beh\ind#      / 
 5 5  42 7850 1 2 e    11  and it was be^cause of the never had it so good    / 
 5 5  42 7850 1 1 e    11  phi!l\osophy# -                                    / 
 5 5  42 7860 1 1 e    11  the ^cold !!w\ar#                                  / 
 5 5  42 7870 1 2 e    11  on which the "^whole of our defence policy has been/ 
 5 5  42 7870 1 1 e    11  b\ased# -                                          / 
 5 5  42 7880 1 1 e    11  is ^now . in'creasingly ir!!r\elevant#             / 
 5 5  42 7890 1 1 e    11  to the ^problems of !Africa and \Asia# -           / 
 5 5  42 7900 1 2 e    11  and ^those who based themselves en"t\irely on the  / 
 5 5  42 7900 1 1 e    11  cold w/ar# .                                       / 
 5 5  42 7910 1 1 e    11  are ^going to be left be"h\ind# .                  / 
 5 5  42 7920 1 1 e    11  I`m ^not a uni!!l\ateralist# -                     / 
 5 5  42 7930 1 1 e    11  but I ^think what is !\interesting#                / 
 5 5  42 7940 1 1 e    11  and im^p\ortant#                                   / 
 5 5  42 7950 1 1 e    11  about uni^l\ateralists# -                          / 
 5 5  42 7960 1 1 e    11  is that the ^younger generation are re!j\ecting# . / 
 5 5  43 7970 1 1 e    11  the "^order of pri\orities# .                      / 
 5 5  43 7980 1 1 e    11  that ^puts the !cold w/ar#                         / 
 5 5  43 7990 1 1 e    11  ^top of the l/ist# .                               / 
 5 5  43 8000 1 1 e    11  of the ^dangers that 'face the !!w\orld# .         / 
 5 5  43 8010 1 1 e    11  ^nuclear w/eapons# .                               / 
 5 5  43 8020 1 1 e    11  [t] . ^rise of popul/ation# .                      / 
 5 5  43 8030 1 1 e    11  the ^revolution in /Africa#                        / 
 5 5  43 8040 1 1 e    11  these are ^much more imp\ortant# .                 / 
 5 5  43 8050 1 1 e    11  than the ^c\old _war#                              / 
 5 5  43 8060 1 1 e    11  and ^these f\orces# .                              / 
 5 5  43 8070 1 1 e    11  ^are !working themselves /out#                     / 
 5 5  43 8080 1 1 e    11  in the ^L\abour _Party# .                          / 
 5 5  43 8090 1 2 e    11  and they`re ^leaving us in the "!short run         / 
 5 5  43 8090 1 1 e    11  !w=eak# .                                          / 
 5 5  43 8100 1 1 e    11  but in the ^l\ong r/un# .                          / 
 5 5  43 8110 1 1 e    11  ^these are the f\orces#                            / 
 5 5  43 8120 1 1 e    11  that will "^\ultimately# .                         / 
 5 5  43 8130 1 1 e    11  "^win supp\ort#                                    / 
 5 5  43 8140 1 1 e    11  of the ma^jority of the people in this c\ountry# . / 
 5 5  43 8150 1 1 e    11  and ^that`s why I`m !!more of a socialist n/ow# .  / 
 5 5  43 8160 1 1 e    11  and ^not l\ess of one#                             / 
 5 5  44 8170 1 1 aud  20  *(applause)*                                       / 
 5 5  44 8180 1 1 a    11  ^r/ight#                                           / 
 5 5  44 8190 1 2 a    13  ^well now *- - - I`ve ^[pu] I`ve* ^put a "line     / 
 5 5  44 8190 1 1 a    13  under :that qu\estion#                             / 
 5 5  44 8200 1 1 a    11  which ^means we`ll go on to the n\ext one# .       / 
 5 5  44 8210 1 1 a    11  and the ^next one comes fr=om#                     / 
 5 5  44 8220 1 1 j    11  ^Anne B\athurst#                                   / 
 5 5  44 8230 1 1 a    11  ^Anne B\athurst#                                   / 
 5 5  44 8240 1 2 j    11  in ^view of the fact that people now have :old     / 
 5 5  44 8240 1 1 j    11  copper p\ans#                                      / 
 5 5  44 8250 1 1 j    12  ^filled with flowers in the ^s/itting-_room# .     / 
 5 5  44 8260 1 1 j    11  ^what domestic objects of tod\ay#                  / 
 5 5  44 8270 1 1 j    11  would the ^team sugg\est#                          / 
 5 5  44 8280 1 1 j    11  that ^one should coll\ect# .                       / 
 5 5  44 8290 1 1 j    11  with a ^view to leaving one`s de:sc\/endants#      / 
 5 5  44 8300 1 1 j    11  ^something to !cash \in _on#                       / 
 5 5  44 8310 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  45 8320 1 2 a    11  *- - - in ^view of the fact* that people :now have / 
 5 5  45 8320 1 1 a    11  :old copper p\ans# .                               / 
 5 5  45 8330 1 1 a    11  ^filled with fl\owers#                             / 
 5 5  45 8340 1 1 a    11  ((in)) the ^s\itting-r/oom# .                      / 
 5 5  45 8350 1 1 a    11  ^what domestic objects of tod/ay#                  / 
 5 5  45 8360 1 1 a    11  would the ^team sugg=est#                          / 
 5 5  45 8370 1 1 a    11  that ^one should coll=ect# -                       / 
 5 5  45 8380 1 1 a    11  with a ^view to leaving one`s de:sc\endants#       / 
 5 5  45 8390 1 1 a    11  ^something to cash \in _on# - -                    / 
 5 5  45 8400 1 1 a    11  ^Christopher Ch\ataway#                            / 
 5 5  45 8410 1 1 c    11  ^old copper p\ennies# -                            / 
 5 5  45 8420 1 1 c    11  I`m . ^quite s\ure#                                / 
 5 5  45 8430 1 1 c    11  that . ^our desc\/endants#                         / 
 5 5  45 8440 1 1 c    11  [@] will ^not "d\eal in _these _things#            / 
 5 5  45 8450 1 1 c    11  they ^won`t h\ave#                                 / 
 5 5  45 8460 1 1 c    11  [@] ^holes made in their p\ockets#                 / 
 5 5  45 8470 1 1 c    11  by ^h\uge# -                                       / 
 5 5  45 8480 1 1 c    11  [@m] ^c\/oins# .                                   / 
 5 5  45 8490 1 1 c    11  [@] ^great "!p\ocketfuls#                          / 
 5 5  45 8500 1 1 c    11  of of these [@] "^large [@] copper c\oins#         / 
 5 5  45 8510 1 1 c    11  *. ^they won`t "!s\ee _pennies# -                  / 
 5 5  45 8520 1 1 c    11  ^they won`t "!s\ee pennies#*                       / 
 5 5  46 8530 1 1 b    11  *but ^Chris it`s "p\ans# .                         / 
 5 5  46 8540 1 1 b    11  it`s ^p\ans#* -                                    / 
 5 5  46 8550 1 1 b    11  you`ve ^got it !wr\ong#                            / 
 5 5  46 8560 1 1 b    11  it`s "^p\ans#                                      / 
 5 5  46 8570 1 1 c    11  I ^kn\ow# .                                        / 
 5 5  46 8580 1 2 c    12  ((well and)) +^this is ^this is the domestic       / 
 5 5  46 8580 1 1 c    12  :\object#                                          / 
 5 5  46 8590 1 1 c    21  that ^I                                            / 
 5 5  46 8600 1 1 aud  20  +(laughter)+                                       / 
 5 5  46 8610 1 1 a    11  - ^y\es#                                           / 
 5 5  46 8620 1 1 a    11  ^that`s all r\ight# .                              / 
 5 5  46 8630 1 1 a    11  we`ll in^cl\ude it {^y\es#}#                       / 
 5 5  46 8640 1 2 c    11  - - -+ but ^think what you`ll be :able to do with  / 
 5 5  46 8640 1 1 c    11  with copper p\ennies#                              / 
 5 5  46 8650 1 1 c    11  ^paint sh\ips on them#                             / 
 5 5  46 8660 1 1 c    11  and ^hang them up in your :l\iving-_room# -        / 
 5 5  46 8670 1 1 c    11  and they ^will be . "r\are _objects {I ^th=ink#}#  / 
 5 5  46 8680 1 2 c    11  and and [@] . ^sources of a":m\azement {to ^future / 
 5 5  46 8680 1 1 c    11  gener\ations#}#                                    / 
 5 5  46 8690 1 2 c    11  so . ^anybody who`s ":g\ot any _pennies {I         / 
 5 5  46 8690 1 1 c    11  ^th=ink#}#                                         / 
 5 5  46 8700 1 1 c    11  ^put them b/y# .                                   / 
 5 5  47 8710 1 1 c    20  *and [@]*                                          / 
 5 5  47 8720 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  47 8730 1 1 b    11  *^\oh#                                             / 
 5 5  47 8740 1 1 b    20  I ((1 syll))*                                      / 
 5 5  47 8750 1 1 a    11  *- ^come =on#                                      / 
 5 5  47 8760 1 1 a    11  ^Lord B/oothby#*                                   / 
 5 5  47 8770 1 1 b    11  - - well ^=I#                                      / 
 5 5  47 8780 1 1 b    11  a^void p\ennies#                                   / 
 5 5  47 8790 1 1 b    11  when^ever I :possibly c/an# .                      / 
 5 5  47 8800 1 1 b    11  I ^haven`t got a :single copper ":p\/an# -         / 
 5 5  47 8810 1 1 b    11  and I ^very very seldom have fl/owers# .           / 
 5 5  47 8820 1 1 b    11  and if I "^had any :fl=owers#                      / 
 5 5  47 8830 1 1 b    11  I wouldn`t "^p\ut them {in a ^copper p\an#}# -     / 
 5 5  47 8840 1 1 b    11  so the "^whole "!b\asis of this qu/estion# .       / 
 5 5  47 8850 1 1 b    11  [i] is ^under!!m\ined#                             / 
 5 5  47 8860 1 1 b    11  so ^far +as I`m conc\erned#+                       / 
 5 5  47 8870 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 5  47 8880 2 1 b    22  ^I don`t                                           / 
 5 5  47 8890 1 1 a    11  +((1 syll)) ^far as you :are conc\erned#+          / 
 5 5  47 8880 1 1(b    12  think and ^\anyway#                                / 
 5 5  47 8900 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t want to !l=eave#                          / 
 5 5  47 8910 1 1 b    11  ^\anything#                                        / 
 5 5  47 8920 1 1 b    11  to ^\anybody#                                      / 
 5 5  47 8930 1 1 b    11  ^they can "cash :\in on#                           / 
 5 5  48 8940 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  48 8950 1 2 a    21  *- - - ( - - laughs) ^Anthony Wedgwood [be] ( - -  / 
 5 5  48 8950 1 1 a    21  laughs)*                                           / 
 5 5  48 8960 1 1 e    11  - - - well ^we have in our :l\iving-r/oom# -       / 
 5 5  48 8970 1 1 e    11  [@] . a ^very \useful _thing#                      / 
 5 5  48 8980 1 1 e    11  which we were ^handed /on# -                       / 
 5 5  48 8990 1 1 e    11  and we ^keep [@] !\/ice in it#                     / 
 5 5  48 9000 1 1 e    11  at ^p\/arties#                                     / 
 5 5  48 9010 1 1 e    11  we ^have a com!m\ode#                              / 
 5 5  48 9020 2 1 e    22  +- and it`s an ex^tremely - -+                     / 
 5 5  48 9030 1 1 aud  20  +(laughter)+                                       / 
 5 5  48 9020 1 1(e    12  ex"^tremely :\useful {to ^\us#}# -                 / 
 5 5  48 9040 1 1 e    11  but "^I must s/\ay#                                / 
 5 5  48 9050 1 1 e    11  ^this seems to be a very !!\easy _question# -      / 
 5 5  48 9060 1 2 e    11  [@m] . my ^children will no doubt :toss their      / 
 5 5  48 9060 1 1 e    11  :s\alad#                                           / 
 5 5  48 9070 1 1 e    12  ^in our ^in our w/ashing-ma_chine# -               / 
 5 5  48 9080 1 1 e    11  they`ll ^glaze the telev\ision#                    / 
 5 5  48 9090 1 1 e    11  and ^sh/ave into it# -                             / 
 5 5  48 9100 1 1 e    11  they`ll ^use the telephone as a doorkn/ocker# .    / 
 5 5  48 9110 1 1 e    11  and they can ^wind their :w\ool#                   / 
 5 5  49 9120 1 1 e    12  at ^four sp\/eeds on our ^gr\amophone# -           / 
 5 5  49 9130 1 1 e    11  which will be a tre"^m\endous ad_vantage#          / 
 5 5  49 9140 1 1 e    11  ^I should ((thought)) "!this gener\ation#          / 
 5 5  49 9150 1 1 e    11  will ^leave "!more "l\itter# .                     / 
 5 5  49 9160 1 1 e    11  of ^th\at k/ind#                                   / 
 5 5  49 9170 1 1 e    11  that ^any previous gener\ation# .                  / 
 5 5  49 9180 1 1 e    11  when "^all the m\odern#                            / 
 5 5  49 9190 1 1 e    11  con^sumer d\urables#                               / 
 5 5  49 9200 1 1 e    11  as the e^c\onomist c/alls them#                    / 
 5 5  49 9210 1 1 e    11  what^ever th/at _means# .                          / 
 5 5  49 9220 1 1 e    11  ^when we "!l\eave#                                 / 
 5 5  49 9230 1 1 e    11  ^all these con:s\umer d/urables# .                 / 
 5 5  49 9240 1 2 e    11  and they`ve ^all been made :artificially           / 
 5 5  49 9240 1 1 e    11  :obsol\escent# .                                   / 
 5 5  49 9250 1 1 e    11  and ^\/obsolete#                                   / 
 5 5  49 9260 1 1 e    11  by the ^s\/alesmen# .                              / 
 5 5  49 9270 1 1 e    11  and ^\everyone#                                    / 
 5 5  49 9280 1 1 e    11  is ^w\ildly# .                                     / 
 5 5  49 9290 1 1 e    11  ^buying !something \else#                          / 
 5 5  49 9300 1 1 e    11  which ^in its t\urn#                               / 
 5 5  49 9310 1 1 e    11  will be ^equally \useless#                         / 
 5 5  49 9320 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) ^Frank B\yers#                         / 
 5 5  49 9330 1 1 a    11  ^what a horrible th\ought#                         / 
 5 5  50 9340 1 1 f    11  - - - well ^if com"m\ode#                          / 
 5 5  50 9350 1 1 f    11  [wo] ^means what I :th\ink it m/eans#              / 
 5 5  50 9360 2 1 f    21  *- [@] - -* ^I suggest we`d leave to our           / 
 5 5  50 9370 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  50 9360 1 1(f    11  de:sc/endants#                                     / 
 5 5  50 9380 1 1 f    11  ^anything !\else {we ^find under the b\ed#}#       / 
 5 5  50 9390 1 1 a    11  +- - ^oh n\o# .                                    / 
 5 5  50 9400 1 1 a    12  you ^couldn`t ^n\o _Frank#                         / 
 5 5  50 9410 1 1 a    11  you ^couldn`t put that under the b\ed#+            / 
 5 5  50 9420 1 1 aud  20  +(laughter)+                                       / 
 5 5  50 9430 1 1 f    11  oh you ^don`t th\ink so#                           / 
 5 5  50 9440 1 1 a    11  ^no n\o _no#                                       / 
 5 5  50 9450 1 1 f    11  ^I s\ee# *-*                                       / 
 5 5  50 9460 1 1 f    11  well +in ^th\at _case#                             / 
 5 5  50 9470 1 1 f    11  [w]+ - in ^th\at _case#                            / 
 5 5  50 9480 1 1 a    11  *^c\ould you _Bob#*                                / 
 5 5  51 9490 1 1 b    11  +^no !I don`t th\ink so#+                          / 
 5 5  51 9500 1 2(f    11  we`ll ^put a :lot more :flowers in the \other      / 
 5 5  51 9500 1 1(f    11  thing# *-                                          / 
 5 5  51 9510 1 1 f    21  and - - -* but I ^think [dh@b] . the !b\est thing  / 
 5 5  51 9520 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  51 9530 1 1 f    10  {^r\eally#}#                                       / 
 5 5  51 9540 1 1 f    11  would be to ^leave them {a f\ull} p\arking _meter# / 
 5 5  51 9550 1 1 aud  20  +(laughter)+                                       / 
 5 5  51 9560 1 1 a    11  +- - ( - laughs)+ ^Christopher Ch/ataway#          / 
 5 5  51 9570 1 1 a    11  ^any id/eas#                                       / 
 5 5  51 9580 1 1 a    11  ^m/ore i_deas#                                     / 
 5 5  51 9590 1 1 c    11  - ^n\o#                                            / 
 5 5  51 9600 1 1 c    21  I ^don`t think ((I`ve))                            / 
 5 5  51 9610 1 1 a    11  ex^cept your copper p\ennies# -                    / 
 5 5  51 9620 1 1 a    11  you`re ^st\icking to _that#                        / 
 5 5  51 9630 1 1 c    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 5  52 9640 1 1 a    11  . ^Lord B\oothby#                                  / 
 5 5  52 9650 1 1 b    11  ^w=ell#                                            / 
 5 5  52 9660 1 1 b    11  there`s a "^new . "carpet . "shampoo "w\asher# .   / 
 5 5  52 9670 1 1 b    11  I ^can`t say what it \/is# *.*                     / 
 5 5  52 9680 1 1 b    11  because ^that would 'be \advertising it#           / 
 5 5  52 9690 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 5  52 9700 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 5 5  52 9710 2 1(b    21  +.+ but ^that **.** does make a very big app\eal   / 
 5 5  52 9720 1 1 c    20  **((1 syll))**                                     / 
 5 5  52 9710 1 1(b    11  {to ^m\e#}# -                                      / 
 5 5  52 9730 1 1 b    11  and I`m in^v\estigating _that#                     / 
 5 5  52 9740 1 1 b    11  ^very carefully for Chr\istmas# -                  / 
 5 5  52 9750 1 1 b    11  and if I "^d\o g/et _one# .                        / 
 5 5  52 9760 1 1 b    11  I`ll ^leave it to :s\omebody# -                    / 
 5 5  52 9770 1 1 b    11  but I ^don`t think I`ll get many :th\anks for it#  / 
 5 5  52 9780 1 1 aud  20  *(laughter)*                                       / 
 5 5  53 9790 1 1 a    11  *- - ^probably* be worn !\out#                     / 
 5 5  53 9800 1 1 a    11  by ^th\at _time _Bob#                              / 
 5 5  53 9810 1 1 b    11  ^with any !l\uck#                                  / 
 5 5  53 9820 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# - -                                         / 
 5 5  53 9830 1 1 a    11  ^all r/ight#                                       / 
 5 5  53 9840 1 1 a    11  we ^go on to the :next question fr=om#             / 
 5 5  53 9850 1 1 k    11  ^Mrs Olive P\erry#                                 / 
 5 5  53 9860 1 1 a    11  Mrs ^Olive P\erry#                                 / 
 5 5  53 9870 1 1 k    11  ^would the members of the p\anel#                  / 
 5 5  53 9880 1 1 k    11  ex^pl\ain#                                         / 
 5 5  53 9890 1 1 k    11  ^why should old age :p\ensioners#                  / 
 5 5  53 9900 1 1 k    11  ^wait for their :promised \increase# -             / 
 5 5  53 9910 1 1 k    11  when ^civil s\ervants#                             / 
 5 5  53 9920 1 1 k    11  re^ceive !increases "b\ackdated#                   / 
 5 5  53 9930 1 1 a    11  ^would the members of the panel expl\ain#          / 
 5 5  53 9940 1 1 a    11  ^why should :old age p\ensioners#                  / 
 5 5  53 9950 1 1 a    11  "^w/ait#                                           / 
 5 5  53 9960 1 1 a    11  for their ^promised /increase# -                   / 
 5 5  53 9970 1 1 a    11  when ^civil s/ervants#                             / 
 5 5  54 9980 1 1 a    11  re^ceive increases :backd\ated# - - -              / 
 5 5  54 9990 1 1 a    11  ^Christopher Ch/ataway#                            / 
 5 5  5410000 1 1 c    11  well there ^is a . [ei] :new "pension "sch\eme#    / 
 5 5  5410010 1 1 c    11  ^coming into oper/ation#                           / 
 5 5  5410020 1 1 c    11  ^on [@] April the "f\irst# -                       / 
 5 5  5410030 1 1 c    11  [dhi] "^new "!gr\aduated pension sch/eme#          / 
 5 5  5410040 1 1 c    11  that . "^w\ill#                                    / 
 5 5  5410050 1 1 c    11  [@: i] en^\able# .                                 / 
 5 5  5410060 1 1 c    11  [@] "^\everybody#                                  / 
 5 5  5410070 1 1 c    11  be"^l\ow a certain :=income#                       / 
 5 5  5410080 1 1 c    11  to be ^s=ure# .                                    / 
 5 5  5410090 1 1 c    11  [@] ^of [@] . providing 'for their old :\age#      / 
 5 5  5410100 1 1 c    11  through the ^st\ate#                               / 
 5 5  5410110 1 1 c    11  if they ^w\ish to# -                               / 
 5 5  5410120 1 1 c    11  and ^this does [@t] . inv/olve#                    / 
 5 5  5410130 1 1 c    11  [ei] tre^m/endous#                                 / 
 5 5  5410140 1 1 c    11  a^mount of !w\ork# .                               / 
 5 5  5410150 1 1 c    11  and it in^v/olves# .                               / 
 5 5  5410160 1 1 c    11  ^alter/ations#                                     / 
 5 5  5410170 1 2 c    11  ^of the contri"!b\utions {that ^everybody will     / 
 5 5  5410170 1 1 c    11  p\ay#}# -                                          / 
 5 5  5410180 1 1 c    11  and [@] . it . it ^really 'would 'be im:p\ossible# / 
 5 5  5510190 1 1 c    11  ^\I _am con_vinced# -                              / 
 5 5  5510200 1 1 c    11  to . "^alter the contri":b\/utions# -              / 
 5 5  5510210 1 1 c    11  and . "^alter [dhi] "p\ensions p/aid#              / 
 5 5  5510220 1 1 c    11  on the "^b\asic r/ate# .                           / 
 5 5  5510230 1 1 c    11  be"^f\ore April the f/irst# -                      / 
 5 5  5510240 1 1 c    11  [@] be^cause there /is#                            / 
 5 5  5510250 1 1 c    11  [@] this "^n\ew _scheme#                           / 
 5 5  5510260 1 1 c    11  ^coming into effect :th\en#                        / 
 5 5  5510270 1 1 c    11  now ^this can all be dism\issed#                   / 
 5 5  5510280 1 1 c    11  as ^oh w\ell#                                      / 
 5 5  5510290 1 1 c    11  ^just ad"ministrative "n\onsense#                  / 
 5 5  5510300 1 1 c    11  but . ^if you . im"\agine#                         / 
 5 5  5510310 1 1 c    11  the "^work that . 'is inv\olved# -                 / 
 5 5  5510320 1 1 c    11  in ^altering . !all those :p=ension _books# .      / 
 5 5  5510330 1 1 c    11  in "^altering the a":m\ount#                       / 
 5 5  5510340 1 1 c    11  that "^every ":single indi":v\idual#               / 
 5 5  5510350 1 1 c    11  has to "^p\ay {in this ^c\ountry#}# .              / 
 5 5  5510360 1 1 c    11  you ^can en"v\isage#                               / 
 5 5  5510370 1 1 c    11  [dhi] - con"^f\usion#                              / 
 5 5  5510380 1 1 c    11  that ^there would "!b\/e# -                        / 
 5 5  5510390 1 1 c    11  ^if [@ dhi] . two !s\ets of alter/ations# .        / 
 5 5  5610400 1 1 c    11  were ^brought in . a month ap\art# .               / 
 5 5  5610410 1 1 c    11  and I ^think that "!th\at is the r/eason# .        / 
 5 5  5610420 1 1 c    11  why "^th\is set of alter/ations#                   / 
 5 5  5610430 1 1 c    11  "^c\annot be brought /in# .                        / 
 5 5  5610440 1 1 c    11  un^til April the f\irst#                           / 
 5 6   1   10 1 1 c    11  ((2 to 3 sylls)) ^what`s the i:d\/ea# .            / 
 5 6   1   20 1 1 c    11  is ^on the !oppo'sition to :f\ox'hunting# -        / 
 5 6   1   30 1 1 c    11  ^Patrick M/oore# .                                 / 
 5 6   1   40 1 1 c    11  an ^honorary :vice-pr/esident#                     / 
 5 6   1   50 1 2 c    11  of the ^national so'ciety for the 'abolition of    / 
 5 6   1   50 1 1 c    11  'cruel :sp/orts# .                                 / 
 5 6   1   60 1 1 c    11  is ^questioned by !Michael B/erry# .               / 
 5 6   1   70 1 1 c    11  ^vice-ch/airman#                                   / 
 5 6   1   80 1 1 c    11  of the ^British 'field sports so":c/iety# .        / 
 5 6   1   90 1 1 c    11  and ^Dennis D\anby# .                              / 
 5 6   1  100 1 1 c    11  a ^veterinary s\urgeon# -                          / 
 5 6   1  110 1 1 c    11  "^Michael B\/erry#                                 / 
 5 6   1  120 1 1 c    11  ^speaks f\irst# - -                                / 
 5 6   1  130 1 1 b    11  ^well n\ow# .                                      / 
 5 6   1  140 1 1 b    11  ^as . 'Dennis 'Danby and \/I# .                    / 
 5 6   1  150 1 1 b    11  ^may be !s\aid I th/ink#                           / 
 5 6   1  160 1 1 b    11  to . ^repre'sent . the . es!tablished _pr/actice# -/ 
 5 6   1  170 1 1 b    11  I sug^gest that we 'ask Mr !M\/oore# .             / 
 5 6   2  180 1 1 b    11  to ^st\/ate# .                                     / 
 5 6   2  190 1 1 b    11  as . con^cisely as he c/an# -                      / 
 5 6   2  200 1 1 b    11  ^wh\at it 'is#                                     / 
 5 6   2  210 1 1 b    11  that he ob^j\/ects 'to#                            / 
 5 6   2  220 1 1 b    11  ^in f/ox'hunting# -                                / 
 5 6   2  230 1 2 b    11  and ^why he 'thinks it`s - :practicable and        / 
 5 6   2  230 1 1 b    11  n\/ecessary# .                                     / 
 5 6   2  240 1 1 b    11  as I ^think he !d\/oes# .                          / 
 5 6   2  250 1 1 b    11  to [s] . sug^g/est#                                / 
 5 6   2  260 1 1 b    11  that ^legis!lation should be 'brought /in# .       / 
 5 6   2  270 1 1 b    11  to pro"^h\ibit it# -                               / 
 5 6   2  280 1 2 m    11  ( . clears throat) I can ^answer 'that !quite      / 
 5 6   2  280 1 1 m    11  conc\isely# -                                      / 
 5 6   2  290 1 1 m    11  ^first of /all#                                    / 
 5 6   2  300 1 1 m    11  ^hunting 'is !un'necessarily cr\uel# -             / 
 5 6   2  310 1 1 m    11  ^s\/econdly# .                                     / 
 5 6   2  320 1 1 m    11  it does "^not re'duce the 'number of :f/oxes#      / 
 5 6   2  330 1 1 m    11  it ^actually 'keeps them "\up# .                   / 
 5 6   3  340 1 1 m    11  be^cause they are pre'served for h\unting# -       / 
 5 6   3  350 1 1 m    11  "^th\/irdly# .                                     / 
 5 6   3  360 1 1 m    11  it ^has a de!grading eff/ect#                      / 
 5 6   3  370 1 1 m    11  up^on the !huntsmen thems\elves#                   / 
 5 6   3  380 1 1 m    11  and I am par^t\icularly conc/erned#                / 
 5 6   3  390 1 1 m    11  with the ef^f/ects#                                / 
 5 6   3  400 1 1 m    11  up^on "!young p\eople# .                           / 
 5 6   3  410 1 1 m    11  with [dhi] "^b\arbarous pr/actices#                / 
 5 6   3  420 1 1 m    11  of ^bl/ooding#                                     / 
 5 6   3  430 1 1 m    11  and ^things of 'that n\ature# -                    / 
 5 6   3  440 1 1 m    11  ^\/also#                                           / 
 5 6   3  450 1 1 m    11  I am ^quite disg\usted#                            / 
 5 6   3  460 1 1 m    11  with the at^tempts m\/ade# .                       / 
 5 6   3  470 1 1 m    11  to ^st\op#                                         / 
 5 6   3  480 1 1 m    11  the ^R'S'PC/A#                                     / 
 5 6   3  490 1 1 m    11  op^posing h\unting# .                              / 
 5 6   3  500 1 1 m    11  and in ^f/act#                                     / 
 5 6   3  510 1 1 m    11  the ^RS'PC/A#                                      / 
 5 6   3  520 1 1 m    11  does "^n\ot {at the ^m\oment#}#                    / 
 5 6   3  530 1 1 m    11  op^p\ose h/unting#                                 / 
 5 6   3  540 1 1 m    11  be^cause you will 'not all\ow it# -                / 
 5 6   4  550 1 1 m    11  ^now I`d !like to 'carry 'on from th/ere#          / 
 5 6   4  560 1 1 m    11  ^very br\iefly if I m/ay# .                        / 
 5 6   4  570 1 1 m    11  ^just to cl/arify#                                 / 
 5 6   4  580 1 1 m    11  ^your 'own \attitudes# -                           / 
 5 6   4  590 1 1 m    11  ^you 'are !both \actively#                         / 
 5 6   4  600 1 1 m    11  con^c\erned in h/unting#                           / 
 5 6   4  610 1 2 m    11  and I`d ^like to . :get this :clear to st\art      / 
 5 6   4  610 1 1 m    11  with# .                                            / 
 5 6   4  620 1 1 m    11  so that I ^know the :kind of p\eople#              / 
 5 6   4  630 1 1 m    11  with ^whom I`m d\ealing# -                         / 
 5 6   4  640 1 1 m    11  I`ve ^put this 'challenge :up to !y\ou Mr B/erry#  / 
 5 6   4  650 1 1 m    11  ^once bef/ore#                                     / 
 5 6   4  660 1 1 m    11  at ^East Gr\instead# -                             / 
 5 6   4  670 1 1 m    11  it ^w=as#                                          / 
 5 6   4  680 1 1 m    11  to ^s\/ign#                                        / 
 5 6   4  690 1 1 m    11  ^this f/ollowing st\atement# -                     / 
 5 6   4  700 1 1 m    11  ^I opp/ose# .                                      / 
 5 6   4  710 1 1 m    11  ^/all#                                             / 
 5 6   4  720 1 1 m    11  ^un'necessary cr/uelty#                            / 
 5 6   4  730 1 1 m    11  to ^\animals# -                                    / 
 5 6   4  740 1 1 m    11  ^I will sup!p/ort#                                 / 
 5 6   4  750 1 1 m    11  ^any p\arlia'mentary#                              / 
 5 6   5  760 1 1 m    11  ^legisl/ation# .                                   / 
 5 6   5  770 1 1 m    11  de^s/igned#                                        / 
 5 6   5  780 1 1 m    11  to ^bring ((the)) "!w\ild /animals# .              / 
 5 6   5  790 1 1 m    11  ^under the !same prot=ection#                      / 
 5 6   5  800 1 1 m    11  in ^this resp/ect# .                               / 
 5 6   5  810 1 1 m    11  as is ^now ext/ended#                              / 
 5 6   5  820 1 1 m    11  ^to do'mestic \animals# .                          / 
 5 6   5  830 1 1 m    11  and I ^very 'much h/ope#                           / 
 5 6   5  840 1 1 m    11  that you will ^now ac!c\ept the ch/allenge#        / 
 5 6   5  850 1 1 m    11  ^and !s\ign it# .                                  / 
 5 6   5  860 1 1 m    11  I ^g\ive it to you# - .                            / 
 5 6   5  870 1 1 m    11  ^will you s/ign it# -                              / 
 5 6   5  880 1 1 b    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 6   5  890 1 1 m    11  ^th\ank you# -                                     / 
 5 6   5  900 1 1 m    13  ^((my)) . ^will you ^will you s/ign it Mr *'Danby#*/ 
 5 6   5  910 1 1 d    11  *^n\o#* -                                          / 
 5 6   6  920 1 1 m    11  ^th/ank you# .                                     / 
 5 6   6  930 1 1 m    11  my ^question is \answered# -                       / 
 5 6   6  940 1 1 m    11  I would ^like 'everyone to :n/ote# .               / 
 5 6   6  950 1 1 m    11  that I have ^\asked these g/entlemen# -            / 
 5 6   6  960 1 1 m    11  to (([@p])) . [u:] to ^sign a 'declar\ation#       / 
 5 6   6  970 1 1 m    11  op^posing "!\un'necessary 'cruelty to /animals# .  / 
 5 6   6  980 1 1 m    11  ^and to bring !w\ild 'animals#                     / 
 5 6   6  990 1 1 m    11  ^under the pro!t\ection# .                         / 
 5 6   6 1000 1 1 m    11  ^n\ow [@k] ex'tended to do:m=estic 'animals# .     / 
 5 6   6 1010 1 1 m    11  ^and !they 'have !both ref\used# - - -             / 
 5 6   6 1020 1 1 m    11  ^need 'I 'say :m\ore# - -                          / 
 5 6   6 1030 1 1 m    11  ^your 'first qu\estions# -                         / 
 5 6   6 1040 1 1 b    11  ^n\ow# .                                           / 
 5 6   6 1050 1 1 b    11  [?] you . ^made a !little sp/eech# .               / 
 5 6   6 1060 1 1 b    11  ^making !s\everal# .                               / 
 5 6   6 1070 1 1 b    11  ^very im'portant :c\omments on h/unting# -         / 
 5 6   7 1080 1 1 b    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 5 6   7 1090 1 1 b    11  ^ending /up#                                       / 
 5 6   7 1100 1 1 b    11  with ^asking us to . !s\ign a p=aper# .            / 
 5 6   7 1110 2 1 b    22  which to ^m\y - . *as* ^far as :\I can             / 
 5 6   7 1120 1 1 m    20  *( . laughs)*                                      / 
 5 6   7 1110 1 1(b    12  'underst/and it#                                   / 
 5 6   7 1130 1 1 b    11  ^means !abso'lutely n\othing#                      / 
 5 6   7 1140 1 1 b    11  **^n\ow#**                                         / 
 5 6   7 1150 1 1 m    11  **((but I ^just 'want you to))** !!s\ign it# .     / 
 5 6   7 1160 1 1 m    11  +. ^here it :\/is#+                                / 
 5 6   7 1170 1 2 b    12  +[@:] I have ^no in'tention+ . ^no in'tention of   / 
 5 6   7 1170 1 1 b    12  doing !anything of the s\ort#                      / 
 5 6   7 1180 1 1 m    11  ^I !kn\ow#                                         / 
 5 6   8 1190 1 2 b    11  but ^may I . 'just 'try and 'deal with 'your       / 
 5 6   8 1190 1 1 b    11  'questions f\irst# .                               / 
 5 6   8 1200 1 1 m    11  ^c\ertainly# .                                     / 
 5 6   8 1210 1 2 b    11  the ^first . sug'gestion 'is that 'hunting is      / 
 5 6   8 1210 1 1 b    11  'unneces"!s\/arily#                                / 
 5 6   8 1220 1 1 b    11  ^cr\uel#                                           / 
 5 6   8 1230 1 1 m    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 6   8 1240 1 1 b    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 5 6   8 1250 1 1 b    11  ^may I 'ask Mr !D\/anby#                           / 
 5 6   8 1260 1 1 b    11  ^who [x] is a !veterinary :s\/urgeon# - -          / 
 5 6   8 1270 1 1 b    12  and ^very . and a ^master of b/eagles#             / 
 5 6   8 1280 1 1 b    11  has ^had a !very 'long exp\erience# .              / 
 5 6   8 1290 1 1 b    11  ^both . of - be!haviour of !w\ild /animals# .      / 
 5 6   8 1300 1 2 b    11  ^and of 'course of the be'haviour of do"!m\estic   / 
 5 6   8 1300 1 1 b    11  /animals# -                                        / 
 5 6   8 1310 1 1 b    11  ^whether he can !t\ell m/e# -                      / 
 5 6   9 1320 1 1 b    11  that it ^is "!p\/ossible# -                        / 
 5 6   9 1330 1 1 b    11  for a ^wild /animal# .                             / 
 5 6   9 1340 1 1 b    11  to ^meet its /end# .                               / 
 5 6   9 1350 1 1 b    11  in a ^w\/ay# .                                     / 
 5 6   9 1360 1 2 b    11  which does ^not in'volve "!some 'sort of           / 
 5 6   9 1360 1 1 b    11  p\ain# - - -                                       / 
 5 6   9 1370 1 1 d    11  may I ^pr\eface#                                   / 
 5 6   9 1380 1 1 d    11  [?] ( . coughs) ^this by !s\/aying# .              / 
 5 6   9 1390 1 1 d    11  that ^I am [ei] !v\eterinary s/urgeon# -           / 
 5 6   9 1400 1 1 d    11  and ^what 'I :s\ay# .                              / 
 5 6   9 1410 1 1 d    11  ^on this !br\oad'cast# .                           / 
 5 6   9 1420 1 1 d    11  is "^n\ot#                                         / 
 5 6   9 1430 1 1 d    11  ^n\/ecessarily# - .                                / 
 5 6   9 1440 1 1 d    11  [dhi] ^v\iews#                                     / 
 5 6   9 1450 1 1 d    11  ^of the . !r\/est of the _members#                 / 
 5 6   9 1460 1 1 d    11  of ^my pro!f\ession#                               / 
 5 6   9 1470 1 1 m    11  I`m ^sure you`re w\ise sir# - - -                  / 
 5 6  10 1480 1 1 d    12  for ^I ( - coughs) . on re^f\erring#               / 
 5 6  10 1490 1 2 d    11  ^to [@:m] . the [@:] !Oxford [@: g @m . @:]        / 
 5 6  10 1490 1 1 d    11  :d\/ictionary#                                     / 
 5 6  10 1500 1 1 d    11  ^I f/ind# .                                        / 
 5 6  10 1510 1 1 d    11  that [@] . the ^word "!v\et#                       / 
 5 6  10 1520 1 1 d    11  ^means to {ex!\amine} . or "!tr\eat# -             / 
 5 6  10 1530 1 1 d    11  in ^br\ackets#                                     / 
 5 6  10 1540 1 1 d    11  a "^b\east# - - -                                  / 
 5 6  10 1550 1 1 d    11  ^/or# -                                            / 
 5 6  10 1560 1 1 d    11  ^ch=eck# .                                         / 
 5 6  10 1570 1 1 d    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 5 6  10 1580 1 1 d    11  cor^r\ect# - -                                     / 
 5 6  10 1590 1 1 d    11  ^n\ow# -                                           / 
 5 6  10 1600 1 1 d    11  ^we 'are :here ton/ight#                           / 
 5 6  10 1610 1 1 d    11  to ex^\/amine# -                                   / 
 5 6  10 1620 1 1 d    11  and [p] ^hope tr/eat# - -                          / 
 5 6  10 1630 1 1 d    11  ^and we are !here to "!ch\eck# .                   / 
 5 6  10 1640 1 1 d    11  and ^I 'hope cor"!r\ect# - - -                     / 
 5 6  10 1650 1 1 d    11  ^my own v/iew# -                                   / 
 5 6  10 1660 1 1 d    11  ^/is# .                                            / 
 5 6  10 1670 1 1 d    11  ^that _there _is "!l\ittle# .                      / 
 5 6  10 1680 1 1 d    11  or ^no cr\/uelty# .                                / 
 5 6  10 1690 1 1 d    11  ^in h\unting#                                      / 
 5 6  11 1700 1 2 m    11  ( . laughs) - - - ((am ^I)) to answer this Mr      / 
 5 6  11 1700 1 1 m    11  !B/erry#                                           / 
 5 6  11 1710 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  11 1720 1 1 b    11  I ^think I`d 'like to a!v\oid that if I *m/ay#*    / 
 5 6  11 1730 1 1 m    11  *oh ^pl\ease* do#                                  / 
 5 6  11 1740 1 1 m    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 6  11 1750 1 1 b    11  [@:] - ^I - - f\eel#                               / 
 5 6  11 1760 1 1 b    11  we`re ^all faced with 'this pr\oblem# .            / 
 5 6  11 1770 1 1 b    11  we in"^h\erit# .                                   / 
 5 6  11 1780 1 1 b    11  a ^rural /England# .                               / 
 5 6  11 1790 1 1 b    11  which is in^h\/abited# -                           / 
 5 6  11 1800 1 1 b    11  by ^wild \animals# -                               / 
 5 6  11 1810 1 1 b    11  ^s\omebody#                                        / 
 5 6  11 1820 1 1 b    11  has ^got to as'sume re'sponsib\ility#              / 
 5 6  11 1830 1 1 b    11  for the ^wild 'animals if they are to con!t\inue#  / 
 5 6  11 1840 1 1 b    11  their ex^\istence#                                 / 
 5 6  11 1850 1 1 d    11  ^hear h\ear# -                                     / 
 5 6  12 1860 1 2 b    11  ^we`ve . !not only :got to pro:vide them a         / 
 5 6  12 1860 1 1 b    11  :ch\ance# -                                        / 
 5 6  12 1870 1 1 b    11  to ^lead their :natural l/ives# -                  / 
 5 6  12 1880 1 1 b    11  but we`ve ^got to pro":v\/ide them# .              / 
 5 6  12 1890 1 1 b    11  with a ^d\/eath# .                                 / 
 5 6  12 1900 1 1 b    11  ^which - as !far as :w\e can s/ee it# .            / 
 5 6  12 1910 1 1 b    11  ^causes 'them the 'minimum of !p\ain# -            / 
 5 6  12 1920 1 1 b    11  and ^when . 'people s\ay#                          / 
 5 6  12 1930 1 1 b    11  that ^hunting is !cr\/uel# .                       / 
 5 6  12 1940 1 1 b    11  ^that 'means to s/ay#                              / 
 5 6  12 1950 1 1 b    11  that it in^flicts !p\ain# .                        / 
 5 6  12 1960 1 1 m    11  ^quite s\o# -                                      / 
 5 6  12 1970 1 1 b    11  I ^quite agr/ee# .                                 / 
 5 6  12 1980 1 1 b    12  and - "^any . the "^k\illing of an 'animal#        / 
 5 6  12 1990 1 1 b    11  ^by h\/ounds#                                      / 
 5 6  12 2000 1 1 b    11  "^m\ust# .                                         / 
 5 6  12 2010 1 1 b    12  ^I . ^\I th/ink# .                                 / 
 5 6  12 2020 1 1 b    11  and I`m ^sure we`ll 'all agr/ee#                   / 
 5 6  13 2030 1 1 b    11  it ^must 'cause the 'animal 'some p\ain# .         / 
 5 6  13 2040 1 1 b    11  but ^th/en# -                                      / 
 5 6  13 2050 1 1 b    11  we ^get 'back to the qu/estion#                    / 
 5 6  13 2060 1 1 b    11  ((of)) ^what is the al!t\ernative# .               / 
 5 6  13 2070 1 1 b    11  ^does !\any#                                       / 
 5 6  13 2080 1 1 b    11  [m] ^wild 'animal :d\/ie#                          / 
 5 6  13 2090 1 1 b    11  with^out 'some sort of !p\ain#                     / 
 5 6  13 2100 1 1 d    11  but ^may I put !th\is to you# -                    / 
 5 6  13 2110 1 1 d    11  ^wh=o# .                                           / 
 5 6  13 2120 1 1 d    11  and ^may I 'ask par"!t\icularly# .                 / 
 5 6  13 2130 1 1 d    11  ^Mr M/oore#                                        / 
 5 6  13 2140 1 1 m    11  ^y/es# -                                           / 
 5 6  13 2150 1 1 d    11  ^has h\/e#                                         / 
 5 6  13 2160 1 1 d    11  ^ever exp\/erienced#                               / 
 5 6  13 2170 1 1 d    11  the ^killing 'of [ei] f\ox# -                      / 
 5 6  14 2180 1 1 m    11  now I ^kn\ew#                                      / 
 5 6  14 2190 1 1 m    11  this ^old 'old red h/erring would come _up# .      / 
 5 6  14 2200 1 1 m    11  and I`ll ^counter it with an'other qu\estion# .    / 
 5 6  14 2210 1 1 m    11  ^do you *appr/ove#                                 / 
 5 6  14 2220 1 1 m    11  your^s/elf#*                                       / 
 5 6  14 2230 1 1 d    11  *((no . no no))* ^may I 'ask this :one qu\estion#  / 
 5 6  14 2240 1 1 d    11  and be^fore we 'answer th\/at 'one# -              / 
 5 6  14 2250 1 1 d    11  ^y\ou answer th/at one#                            / 
 5 6  14 2260 1 1 d    11  we ^can`t 'really 'go a:h\ead#                     / 
 5 6  14 2270 1 1 d    11  I *^m\ust* kn/ow#                                  / 
 5 6  14 2280 1 1 m    11  *^yes we c\an#*                                    / 
 5 6  14 2290 1 1 d    11  ^whether you have :seen [ei] 'fox :k\illed#        / 
 5 6  14 2300 1 1 d    11  *. and "^h\ow#*                                    / 
 5 6  14 2310 1 1 m    11  *^I 'have !n\ot#* .                                / 
 5 6  14 2320 1 1 m    11  ^I 'have !n\ot 'seen a :f/ox 'killed#              / 
 5 6  15 2330 1 1 m    11  ex^cept with a g/un#                               / 
 5 6  15 2340 1 1 m    11  when it was ^shot !cl/eanly#                       / 
 5 6  15 2350 1 1 m    11  and ^fell 'dead im"!m\ediately# .                  / 
 5 6  15 2360 1 1 m    11  now ^let me 'counter this with :asking y/ou# .     / 
 5 6  15 2370 1 1 m    11  ^do you appr/ove#                                  / 
 5 6  15 2380 1 1 m    11  of ^f\oxes#                                        / 
 5 6  15 2390 1 1 m    11  being ^thr\own#                                    / 
 5 6  15 2400 1 1 m    11  a^l/ive#                                           / 
 5 6  15 2410 1 1 m    11  to ^d\ogs# .                                       / 
 5 6  15 2420 1 1 d    11  they`re ^n\ever 'thrown a'live to 'dogs#           / 
 5 6  15 2430 1 1 m    11  ^n\ow#                                             / 
 5 6  15 2440 1 1 m    11  ^let me 'give you an ex/am'ple# .                  / 
 5 6  15 2450 1 1 m    11  ^r/ecent'ly#                                       / 
 5 6  15 2460 1 1 m    11  ^members of the 'Southdown :h/unt#                 / 
 5 6  15 2470 1 1 m    11  were ob^s=erved#                                   / 
 5 6  15 2480 1 1 m    11  by ^Mr 'Donald Ch/apman#                           / 
 5 6  15 2490 1 1 m    11  who is ^M'P for a ":Birmingham cons!t/ituen'cy# -  / 
 5 6  15 2500 1 1 m    11  and ac^cording to Mr :Ch\/apman# .                 / 
 5 6  16 2510 1 1 m    11  a ^f=ox#                                           / 
 5 6  16 2520 1 1 m    11  ^was in f/act#                                     / 
 5 6  16 2530 1 1 m    11  ( - coughs) ^thrown a'live to the :d\ogs#          / 
 5 6  16 2540 1 1 m    11  ^are you 'saying that Mr 'Chapman is a ":l/iar# .  / 
 5 6  16 2550 1 1 b    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  16 2560 1 1 b    11  ^I`m s/aying#                                      / 
 5 6  16 2570 2 1 b    21  that there is *a*                                  / 
 5 6  16 2580 1 1 m    11  *^qu\ite#*                                         / 
 5 6  16 2570 1 1(b    11  ^very 'very 'stringent r\/ule#                     / 
 5 6  16 2590 1 1 b    11  of the ^MF\H *as'soci'at((ion))#*                  / 
 5 6  16 2600 1 2 m    11  *I I`m ^ask*ing 'you a [k] :straight !qu\estion Mr / 
 5 6  16 2600 1 1 m    11  'Berry# -                                          / 
 5 6  16 2610 1 1 m    11  I`m ^asking you :wh\ether#                         / 
 5 6  16 2620 1 1 m    11  when ^Mr 'Chapman :s\/ays#                         / 
 5 6  16 2630 1 2 m    11  that he ^saw a [th] 'fox thrown a'live to the      / 
 5 6  16 2630 1 1 m    11  !d/ogs#                                            / 
 5 6  17 2640 1 1 b    11  ((I`ve)) ^simply n/o#                              / 
 5 6  17 2650 1 1 b    11  ^facts of the 'case bef\ore *me#                   / 
 5 6  17 2660 1 1 b    20  ((7 to 8 sylls))*                                  / 
 5 6  17 2670 1 1 m    11  *[@:] I`m ^just 'asking you* if he`s a !l\iar#     / 
 5 6  17 2680 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  17 2690 1 2 b    12  I`m ^not I`m ^absolutely **(('not 'saying that he`s/ 
 5 6  17 2690 1 1 b    12  a l\iar#))**                                       / 
 5 6  17 2700 1 1 m    11  **in ^that 'case you** ad'mit that it !h\appens# . / 
 5 6  17 2710 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  17 2720 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t at !\all# .                               / 
 5 6  17 2730 1 1 m    11  ((but)) then what ^/are we g\etting 'to#           / 
 5 6  17 2740 1 1 m    21  *. I ^mean this is 'just a 'crazy*                 / 
 5 6  18 2750 1 1 b    11  *^n/o#                                             / 
 5 6  18 2760 1 1 b    11  this is it is* ^not t\/ypical#                     / 
 5 6  18 2770 1 1 b    11  of ^what 'happens 'out h\unting#                   / 
 5 6  18 2780 1 1 b    11  it`s ^no good **\arguing#                          / 
 5 6  18 2790 1 1 b    11  from the . ^particular to the g\eneral#**          / 
 5 6  18 2800 1 1 m    11  **[@:m] - ^very w/ell#                             / 
 5 6  18 2810 1 1 m    11  ^let me 'read** you some !m/ore 'ex'tracts#        / 
 5 6  18 2820 1 1 b    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  18 2830 1 1 b    21  it`s ^no                                           / 
 5 6  18 2840 1 1 d    11  *^we 'don`t "!want to 'listen* to +:\extracts#+    / 
 5 6  18 2850 1 1 b    11  *((you ^won`t)) be'lieve what :\/I 'say#*          / 
 5 6  18 2860 1 1 m    11  +of ^c\ourse you+ 'don`t#                          / 
 5 6  18 2870 1 1 m    11  you ^d\are [?] not# .                              / 
 5 6  18 2880 2 1 d    22  we ^want **[@s]** we ^want to :know                / 
 5 6  19 2890 1 1 m    20  **[?h]**                                           / 
 5 6  19 2880 1 1(d    12  from !y\ou# *.*                                    / 
 5 6  19 2900 1 1 d    11  ^as to !whether !you 'have !ever ex:p\erienced#    / 
 5 6  19 2910 1 1 d    11  ^any cr\/uelty#                                    / 
 5 6  19 2920 1 1 m    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 6  19 2930 1 1(d    11  . ^in the c/ountry# .                              / 
 5 6  19 2940 1 1 d    11  ^by the :h/unting#                                 / 
 5 6  19 2950 1 1 d    11  ^of !animals 'by d\ogs#                            / 
 5 6  19 2960 1 1 m    11  ^I have !just 'given you :\one ex/ample#           / 
 5 6  19 2970 1 1 m    11  ^there are {!pl\enty} m\ore# -                     / 
 5 6  19 2980 1 1 m    11  for ex^/ample#                                     / 
 5 6  19 2990 1 1 m    11  ^let me 'give you an:\other 'case#                 / 
 5 6  19 3000 1 1 m    11  a ^little 'while a!g/o#                            / 
 5 6  19 3010 1 1 m    11  a ^pack of d/ogs#                                  / 
 5 6  19 3020 1 1 m    11  ^not very 'far a!way from /us# -                   / 
 5 6  19 3030 1 2 m    11  ^ran 'on to [@m] . a :place 'where d\eer were      / 
 5 6  19 3030 1 1 m    11  :k=ept# .                                          / 
 5 6  19 3040 1 1 m    11  ^and they 'savaged a 'small :d\eer# .              / 
 5 6  20 3050 1 2 m    11  in^st\ead of re'porting it to the 'owner of the    / 
 5 6  20 3050 1 1 m    11  :pr/operty# .                                      / 
 5 6  20 3060 1 1 m    11  the ^hunt . tried to !b\ury#                       / 
 5 6  20 3070 1 1 m    11  the ^deer at the !d/ead of _night#                 / 
 5 6  20 3080 1 2 m    11  and ((un))^luckily they were :seen by a :couple of / 
 5 6  20 3080 1 1 m    11  ch/ildren#                                         / 
 5 6  20 3090 1 1 m    11  *. ((and re^p\orted#))*                            / 
 5 6  20 3100 1 1 d    11  *this is ^h\ear'say#* .                            / 
 5 6  20 3110 1 1 d    11  this is ^h\ear+say#+                               / 
 5 6  20 3120 1 1 m    11  +it is+ ^n\ot#                                     / 
 5 6  20 3130 1 1 m    11  I ^saw it my!s\elf#                                / 
 5 6  20 3140 1 2 m    11  ^would you 'like to see a 'photo'graph of the      / 
 5 6  20 3140 1 1 m    11  d/eer#                                             / 
 5 6  20 3150 1 1 b    20  ( . laughs)                                        / 
 5 6  20 3160 1 1 m    11  ^I !have !got *h/ere#                              / 
 5 6  20 3170 1 1 m    11  a ^st/atement#*                                    / 
 5 6  21 3180 1 1 d    11  *^and yours/elf#*                                  / 
 5 6  21 3190 1 1 d    11  ^and your+s/elf#+                                  / 
 5 6  21 3200 1 1 m    11  +^y/es#+                                           / 
 5 6  21 3210 1 1 m    11  ^with !me w\ith it#                                / 
 5 6  21 3220 1 1 d    11  ^\oh# .                                            / 
 5 6  21 3230 1 1 m    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 6  21 3240 1 1 m    11  ^would you 'like to s/ee it#                       / 
 5 6  21 3250 1 1 m    11  I`ve ^got it in 'my c\ase# .                       / 
 5 6  21 3260 1 1 b    11  I ^think *it is !safe to s\ay#*                    / 
 5 6  21 3270 1 1 m    11  *^n=ow#                                            / 
 5 6  21 3280 1 1 m    11  ^would you 'like me* to [@] 'read this /out#       / 
 5 6  21 3290 2 1 m    21  or would **you ^rather                             / 
 5 6  21 3300 1 1 b    22  **((^no))** +^I+                                   / 
 5 6  21 3290 1 1(m    11  I** d\idn`t# +-+                                   / 
 5 6  21 3310 1 1 m    11  I`ve ^got a {[st\aind]} st\atement 'here#          / 
 5 6  21 3320 1 1 m    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 5 6  21 3330 1 1 m    11  from the ^p\/eople#                                / 
 5 6  21 3340 1 1 d    12  but [m] ^Mr ^Mr ( - laughs) . M\oore#              / 
 5 6  21 3350 1 1 d    11  ^we are for !\ever 'reading#                       / 
 5 6  22 3360 1 2 d    11  this ^n\onsense {that ^goes 'on in the             / 
 5 6  22 3360 1 1 d    11  :p\apers#}# .                                      / 
 5 6  22 3370 1 1 d    11  ^wr/itten#                                         / 
 5 6  22 3380 1 2 d    11  by ^people who !know !nothing a'bout 'what they`re / 
 5 6  22 3380 1 1 d    11  :wr\iting# .                                       / 
 5 6  22 3390 1 1 d    11  *^not a !th\ing# .                                 / 
 5 6  22 3400 1 1 d    11  ^n\ot a 'thing#*                                   / 
 5 6  22 3410 1 1 m    11  *^very !w/ell# -                                   / 
 5 6  22 3420 1 2 m    11  in ^that case 'let* me 'quote you the 'Ministry of / 
 5 6  22 3420 1 1 m    11  'Agri"!c\ulture#                                   / 
 5 6  22 3430 1 1 m    11  ^I`ve got plenty of th/ese# -                      / 
 5 6  22 3440 1 1 m    11  ^you will 'keep on s/aying# .                      / 
 5 6  22 3450 1 2 m    11  that the [@m] ^hunting of 'foxes is the 'most      / 
 5 6  22 3450 1 1 m    11  'merciful 'way of !d\oing it#                      / 
 5 6  22 3460 1 1 m    11  ^now I !quite agr/ee# .                            / 
 5 6  22 3470 1 1 m    11  that . ^sh\ooting a :f/ox# .                       / 
 5 6  23 3480 1 1 m    11  or ^g/assing it#                                   / 
 5 6  23 3490 1 1 m    11  or ^any 'other w/ay# .                             / 
 5 6  23 3500 1 1 m    11  "^m\/ay#                                           / 
 5 6  23 3510 1 1 m    11  in^volve !cr\uelty# .                              / 
 5 6  23 3520 1 1 m    11  if you ^don`t 'kill it the 'first t/ime#           / 
 5 6  23 3530 1 1 m    11  it in^evitably "!d\oes# .                          / 
 5 6  23 3540 1 1 m    12  ^no one in their ^senses will de'ny !th\at# .      / 
 5 6  23 3550 1 1 m    11  but "^h\unting#                                    / 
 5 6  23 3560 1 1 m    11  de^l\iberately#                                    / 
 5 6  23 3570 1 1 m    11  in^volves !cr/uelty#                               / 
 5 6  23 3580 1 2 m    11  and in ^fact 'that is the 'whole 'purpose be!h\ind / 
 5 6  23 3580 1 1 m    11  it#                                                / 
 5 6  23 3590 1 1 m    11  what^ever you may !s\ay# -                         / 
 5 6  23 3600 1 1 m    11  ^now it`s the !\old {^\old#}#                      / 
 5 6  23 3610 1 1 m    11  *^red h/erring#                                    / 
 5 6  23 3620 1 1 m    20  that you*                                          / 
 5 6  23 3630 1 1 d    11  *^n\/o#                                            / 
 5 6  23 3640 1 1 d    11  ^no 'no 'no 'no* +'no 'no 'no 'no !pl\ease#        / 
 5 6  23 3650 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  23 3660 1 1 d    11  [n] ^n\o#                                          / 
 5 6  23 3670 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  23 3680 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  23 3690 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  23 3700 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 6  23 3710 1 1 d    11  ^pl\ease#                                          / 
 5 6  23 3720 1 1 d    20  ((this is))+                                       / 
 5 6  24 3730 1 1 m    11  +^may I 'finish :pl/ease# -                        / 
 5 6  24 3740 1 1 m    11  ^m\ay I 'finish pl/ease# .                         / 
 5 6  24 3750 1 1 m    11  ^m\ay I 'finish pl/ease# .                         / 
 5 6  24 3760 1 1 m    11  ^m\ay I 'finish+ :pl/ease# -                       / 
 5 6  24 3770 2 1 m    21  *I was ^talking a'bout the :Ministry* of           / 
 5 6  24 3780 1 1 b    20  *((5 to 6 sylls))*                                 / 
 5 6  24 3770 1 1(m    11  'Agric\ulture#                                     / 
 5 6  24 3790 1 1 m    11  ^pl\ease 'have the 'manners to l/et me _finish# -  / 
 5 6  24 3800 1 1 m    11  [@:] ^one of [dhi:] :main [@] \arguments#          / 
 5 6  24 3810 1 1 m    11  that ^y\ou put f/orward# .                         / 
 5 6  24 3820 1 1 m    11  ^is that !\other m/ethods#                         / 
 5 6  24 3830 1 1 m    11  ^are in 'fact 'less 'cruel than !h\unting# .       / 
 5 6  24 3840 1 1 m    11  *^n\ow#                                            / 
 5 6  24 3850 2 1 m    21  ac^cording to* the                                 / 
 5 6  24 3860 1 1 b    11  *((^1 to 2 sylls !m\ore 'cruel#))*                 / 
 5 6  24 3850 1 1(m    11  'Ministry of Agric\/ulture#                        / 
 5 6  24 3870 1 2 m    11  in their ^publication "wild 'mammals and the       / 
 5 6  24 3870 1 1 m    11  !l/and# -                                          / 
 5 6  25 3880 1 1 m    11  ^cruelty by sh\/ooting# .                          / 
 5 6  25 3890 1 1 m    11  can ^usually be av\oided# .                        / 
 5 6  25 3900 1 1 m    11  if the ^man with the g\un#                         / 
 5 6  25 3910 1 1 m    11  is a ^reasonably good "!sh/ot# .                   / 
 5 6  25 3920 1 1 m    11  and ^if he 'picks his 'shots !c\arefully# .        / 
 5 6  25 3930 1 1 m    11  ^what he :n/eeds#                                  / 
 5 6  25 3940 1 1 m    11  is suf^f\iciently 'large '[shaiz] :sh/ot#          / 
 5 6  25 3950 1 1 m    11  and a ^self-im'posed r\/ule#                       / 
 5 6  25 3960 1 1 m    11  that ^foxes be'yond 'sure 'killing r/ange#         / 
 5 6  25 3970 1 1 m    11  shall be ^left to the !next _g/un#                 / 
 5 6  25 3980 1 1 m    11  or if ^necessary for an'other "!d\ay# .            / 
 5 6  25 3990 1 1 m    11  you ^see the !k/illing# .                          / 
 5 6  25 4000 1 1 m    11  [dhi:] ^cr\/uelty# .                               / 
 5 6  25 4010 1 1 m    11  is ^cut to an 'absolute !m\inimum# -               / 
 5 6  26 4020 1 1 m    11  ^now we 'come to g\assing# -                       / 
 5 6  26 4030 1 2 m    12  ^and it ![se @] ac^cording to the 'Ministry of     / 
 5 6  26 4030 1 1 m    12  'Agri:c/ulture#                                    / 
 5 6  26 4040 1 1 m    11  on the ^first of 'July !nineteen fifty-"!n/ine# -  / 
 5 6  26 4050 1 1 m    11  the ^Ministry is s\atisfied#                       / 
 5 6  26 4060 1 2 m    11  that pro^viding the !n\ormal 'method of 'gassing   / 
 5 6  26 4060 1 1 m    11  tech'nique is :f/ollowed# .                        / 
 5 6  26 4070 1 2 m    11  ^i'e the :gassing 'powder is in'serted in the 'each/ 
 5 6  26 4070 1 1 m    11  of the :entrances et!c=etera# .                    / 
 5 6  26 4080 1 2 m    12  [@:] then . ^[de] ^death from 'hydrocy'anic 'acid  / 
 5 6  26 4080 1 1 m    12  g/as#                                              / 
 5 6  26 4090 1 1 m    11  is ^quick and !p\ainless# .                        / 
 5 6  26 4100 1 1 m    11  but of ^course !you _don`t l\ike th/at#            / 
 5 6  26 4110 1 1 m    11  you en^joy !ch\asing#                              / 
 5 6  27 4120 1 1 m    11  and ^t\orturing them#                              / 
 5 6  27 4130 1 1 m    11  ^f\irst#                                           / 
 5 6  27 4140 1 1 m    11  ^d\on`t you# .                                     / 
 5 6  27 4150 1 1 d    11  I ^hate the i'dea of :g\assing - {^s\omething#}# . / 
 5 6  27 4160 2 1 d    22  you ^don`t *'know                                  / 
 5 6  27 4170 1 1 m    20  *((4 to 5 sylls))*                                 / 
 5 6  27 4160 1 1(d    12  'the you ^don`t* 'know 'the :l\ength#              / 
 5 6  27 4180 1 2 d    11  ((of the)) or the ^depth of the !/earth {or        / 
 5 6  27 4180 1 1 d    11  ^/anything#}#                                      / 
 5 6  27 4190 1 2 d    11  you ^don`t know 'how much they`re 'going to        / 
 5 6  27 4190 1 1 d    11  ab:s/orb# .                                        / 
 5 6  27 4200 1 1 m    11  in ^th\at 'case#                                   / 
 5 6  27 4210 1 1 m    11  you`re ^setting yourself /up#                      / 
 5 6  27 4220 1 1 m    11  a^gainst the !Ministry of !Agri!c\ulture# - .      / 
 5 6  27 4230 1 1 m    11  ^if you 'think *you 'know :better than th\ey do#*  / 
 5 6  28 4240 1 1 d    11  *ex^c/use me#                                      / 
 5 6  28 4250 1 1 d    11  ^I 'am* "!n/ot# -                                  / 
 5 6  28 4260 1 2 d    11  ^I am re!ferring to the re'port of the com!mittee  / 
 5 6  28 4260 1 1 d    11  of the 'cruelty of :wild \animals#                 / 
 5 6  28 4270 1 1 d    21  **((^nineteen))**                                  / 
 5 6  28 4280 1 1 m    11  **^/oh#                                            / 
 5 6  28 4290 1 1 m    11  the** ^Scott 'Henderson comm/ittee#                / 
 5 6  28 4300 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 6  28 4310 1 1 m    11  ^oh yes !that was com'posed as 'we kn/ow#          / 
 5 6  28 4320 1 1 m    11  I`ll ^read you the 'list of 'people /on it# -      / 
 5 6  28 4330 1 2 m    11  [@:m] there was ^Mr 'Scott 'Henderson              / 
 5 6  28 4330 1 1 m    11  ":ch/airman# -                                     / 
 5 6  28 4340 1 1 m    11  then there was ^Mr 'Charles Br/andon#              / 
 5 6  29 4350 1 2 m    11  who was a ^secretary of ((the)) 'Transport ((and)) / 
 5 6  29 4350 1 1 m    11  'General W/orkers 'Union# .                        / 
 5 6  29 4360 1 1 m    11  Mr ^W 'J Br\own#                                   / 
 5 6  29 4370 1 1 m    11  ^interested in sh\ooting#                          / 
 5 6  29 4380 1 1 m    11  a ^well known con'tributor to the !F/ield# -       / 
 5 6  29 4390 1 1 m    11  Mr ^B\urne {^M\urdoch#}#                           / 
 5 6  29 4400 1 1 m    11  ^interested in f/ishing#                           / 
 5 6  29 4410 1 1 m    11  Mr "^John 'Cripps 'editor of the C/ountry_man# .   / 
 5 6  29 4420 1 1 m    11  Pro^fessor Medawar zo/ologist# .                   / 
 5 6  29 4430 1 1 m    11  ^Miss !Frances P/itt#                              / 
 5 6  29 4440 1 1 m    11  who was a ^master of a :Shr\opshire :h/unt# .      / 
 5 6  29 4450 1 1 m    11  and ^Major P/ugh#                                  / 
 5 6  29 4460 1 2 m    11  who was ^veterinary s/urgeon {to the ^West 'Kent   / 
 5 6  29 4460 1 1 m    11  :f/ox_hounds#}# .                                  / 
 5 6  30 4470 1 1 m    11  and the ^((2 sylls 'Brook)) b\eagles# .            / 
 5 6  30 4480 1 1 m    11  ^that was a com:m\/ittee#                          / 
 5 6  30 4490 1 1 m    11  which con^t\/ained#                                / 
 5 6  30 4500 1 1 m    11  a pre"^ponderance of :hunting p/eople#             / 
 5 6  30 4510 2 1 m    21  *^and* you !know it as 'well as                    / 
 5 6  30 4520 1 1 b    20  *[ae]*                                             / 
 5 6  30 4510 1 1(m    11  \I do# .                                           / 
 5 6  30 4530 1 1 b    11  [@:] ^Mr _M\oore#                                  / 
 5 6  30 4540 1 1 b    11  ^n=ow# .                                           / 
 5 6  30 4550 1 1 b    11  I ^think we :m\ust# .                              / 
 5 6  30 4560 1 1 b    11  ^r\eally#                                          / 
 5 6  30 4570 1 1 b    11  ^do 'something con:str\uctive about th/is#         / 
 5 6  30 4580 1 1 b    11  ^all you`ve done :s\o f/ar#                        / 
 5 6  30 4590 1 1 b    11  is to ^r=ead# .                                    / 
 5 6  30 4600 1 1 b    11  ac^c\ounts#                                        / 
 5 6  30 4610 1 1 b    11  of ^\isolated#                                     / 
 5 6  30 4620 1 1 b    11  ^\/incidents# .                                    / 
 5 6  30 4630 1 1 b    11  which are "^not 'typical of h\unting# .            / 
 5 6  30 4640 1 1 m    11  *^oh !\obviously#*                                 / 
 5 6  31 4650 1 2 b    11  *((2 sylls))* ^I could . sug!gest 'instances where / 
 5 6  31 4650 1 1 b    11  :people have committed atr/ocities# .              / 
 5 6  31 4660 1 1 b    11  it ^m/ight even 'be#                               / 
 5 6  31 4670 1 1 b    11  that . ^people who are astr=onomers#               / 
 5 6  31 4680 1 1 b    11  ^drive their m/otor_cars#                          / 
 5 6  31 4690 1 1 b    11  to the ^danger of the !p\ublic# .                  / 
 5 6  31 4700 1 1 b    11  but ^that`s no r\eason wh=y# .                     / 
 5 6  31 4710 1 2 b    11  ^\everybody should [pr@'hibihibitid] from          / 
 5 6  31 4710 1 1 b    11  :m/otoring#                                        / 
 5 6  31 4720 1 2 b    11  or ^even that !all as!tr\onomers should be         / 
 5 6  31 4720 1 1 b    11  pro'hibited from 'motoring# .                      / 
 5 6  31 4730 1 1 b    11  you *^mustn`t \argue#                              / 
 5 6  31 4740 2 1 b    21  ^from                                              / 
 5 6  31 4750 1 1 m    11  *((it ^really isn`t a p\arallel#))*                / 
 5 6  31 4740 1 1(b    11  the* par!ticular to the g\eneral# .                / 
 5 6  31 4760 1 2 b    11  ^these **'incidents are "!n\ot 'typical of         / 
 5 6  31 4760 1 1 b    11  h/unting# .                                        / 
 5 6  32 4770 2 1 b    22  and ^may I** now +^don`t                           / 
 5 6  32 4780 1 1 m    21  **[@:m] - - ac^cording to**                        / 
 5 6  32 4770 1 1(b    12  interr/upt#                                        / 
 5 6  32 4790 1 1 b    11  we ^didn`t ***interr/upt ((you#))+***              / 
 5 6  32 4800 1 1 m    11  +^y\es# .                                          / 
 5 6  32 4810 1 1 m    11  I`m *^s\o sorry# .                                 / 
 5 6  32 4820 1 1 m    11  ^I`m s\o+ sorry# .                                 / 
 5 6  32 4830 1 1 m    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 6  32 4840 1 1 m    21  ++((^n\o))++                                       / 
 5 6  32 4850 1 1 d    13  *** *^no ^no*** ((we ^d=id 2 sylls#))*             / 
 5 6  32 4860 2 1 b    21  ++now ^may++ I 'just 'talk to 'Mr +D/anby          / 
 5 6  32 4870 1 1 m    11  +^yes pl\ease do# -                                / 
 5 6  32 4880 1 1 m    11  ^d\o# - -                                          / 
 5 6  32 4890 1 1 m    11  ^y\es please#+                                     / 
 5 6  32 4860 1 1(b    11  for a moment#                                      / 
 5 6  32 4900 1 1 b    11  ((and)) ^see if+ we can con!tr\ibute s/omething#   / 
 5 6  32 4910 1 1 b    11  if ^only . !w\e pro!duced# .                       / 
 5 6  32 4920 1 2 b    11  ^things that 'everybody al:ready has 'seen in the  / 
 5 6  32 4920 1 1 b    11  pr\ess#                                            / 
 5 6  32 4930 1 1 b    21  *. and ^when there`s !nothing*                     / 
 5 6  33 4940 1 2 m    11  *but you ^try to con:ceal them as* :far as you     / 
 5 6  33 4940 1 1 m    11  :c\/an#                                            / 
 5 6  33 4950 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  33 4960 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t !simply 'nothing ab\out it#               / 
 5 6  33 4970 1 1 m    11  [@:] ^may I ((come b\ack to this# .                / 
 5 6  33 4980 1 1 m    20  come))                                             / 
 5 6  33 4990 1 1 b    11  ^n=o#                                              / 
 5 6  33 5000 1 1 b    11  ^n/o# .                                            / 
 5 6  33 5010 1 1 b    11  ^afterwards y\es# .                                / 
 5 6  33 5020 1 1 b    11  Mr ^D/anby#                                        / 
 5 6  33 5030 1 1 b    11  ^may we just . :tr\y#                              / 
 5 6  33 5040 1 2 b    11  and ^see if we can !give our 'audience a !f\ew     / 
 5 6  33 5040 1 1 b    11  facts {^on th\is#}# .                              / 
 5 6  33 5050 1 1 d    11  I should **be ^very h\appy to#**                   / 
 5 6  33 5060 1 1 b    11  **^you and /I#**                                   / 
 5 6  33 5070 1 1 b    11  ^know !very w/ell# -                               / 
 5 6  33 5080 1 1 b    11  as I ^said bef/ore#                                / 
 5 6  34 5090 1 1 b    11  that we in^herit re'sponsi:b\/ility# .             / 
 5 6  34 5100 1 1 b    11  ^for [dhi] - "!d\eath {of these ^wild \animals#}#  / 
 5 6  34 5110 1 1 b    11  which ^are . 'in our ch/arge#                      / 
 5 6  34 5120 1 1 b    11  as ^well as for their l\ives# .                    / 
 5 6  34 5130 1 1 b    11  now ^how 'are we 'going to . :give the f\ox# .     / 
 5 6  34 5140 1 1 b    11  a ^ch\/ance# .                                     / 
 5 6  34 5150 1 1 b    11  to de^part . from this l/ife# .                    / 
 5 6  34 5160 1 1 b    11  with as ^little 'pain as p\ossible#                / 
 5 6  34 5170 1 2 b    11  ^are we [@] 'going to al'low him to 'die of :old   / 
 5 6  34 5170 1 1 b    11  !\age#                                             / 
 5 6  34 5180 1 1 d    11  ((a)) ^f=ox#                                       / 
 5 6  34 5190 1 1 d    11  is ^f\irst of /all#                                / 
 5 6  34 5200 1 1 d    11  we`ve ^got to :bear in :m\/ind#                    / 
 5 6  34 5210 1 2 d    12  that . there is ^not . there there is ^not {\one}  / 
 5 6  34 5210 1 1 d    12  h\ealthy 'fox#                                     / 
 5 6  35 5220 1 1 d    11  there can be dis^eased 'foxes or \injured 'foxes# -/ 
 5 6  35 5230 1 1 d    11  we`ve ^got to 'bear !th\at in 'mind#               / 
 5 6  35 5240 1 1 d    11  not ^every 'fox that :leaves a c\over# -           / 
 5 6  35 5250 1 1 d    11  is . ^n\ecessarily a 'healthy f/ox#                / 
 5 6  35 5260 1 1 d    11  ^any 'more than a 'healthy d\og#                   / 
 5 6  35 5270 1 1 d    11  [? - s @:] - "^th\/erefore#                        / 
 5 6  35 5280 1 2 d    11  the ^sooner it is 'put out of its :misery the      / 
 5 6  35 5280 1 1 d    11  !b/etter#                                          / 
 5 6  35 5290 1 1 d    11  and ^no . b\etter :m=eans#                         / 
 5 6  35 5300 1 2 d    11  would ^be by !catching it 'with a 'pack of         / 
 5 6  35 5300 1 1 d    11  h\ounds# -                                         / 
 5 6  35 5310 1 1 d    11  "^s\econdly# -                                     / 
 5 6  35 5320 1 1 d    11  [@] ^when 'does the f\ox#                          / 
 5 6  35 5330 1 1 d    11  ^r\/eally#                                         / 
 5 6  35 5340 1 1 d    11  be^come "b\othered# - -                            / 
 5 6  35 5350 1 1 d    11  *^\any*'body#                                      / 
 5 6  35 5360 1 1 d    11  ^no Mr M\oore#                                     / 
 5 6  35 5370 2 1 d    21  it`s ^no                                           / 
 5 6  36 5380 1 1 m    20  *((1 syll))*                                       / 
 5 6  36 5370 1 1(d    11  'good 'you sn/iffing# .                            / 
 5 6  36 5390 1 1 d    11  the ^point is th\is#                               / 
 5 6  36 5400 1 1 d    11  ^you 'have !n\ever ex'perienced a h/unt#           / 
 5 6  36 5410 1 1 d    11  you`ve ^n\ever 'seen a 'fox leave c/over#          / 
 5 6  36 5420 1 2 d    11  you`ve ^n\ever seen :h/ounds - {^hunting a         / 
 5 6  36 5420 1 1 d    11  !f/ox#}# .                                         / 
 5 6  36 5430 1 1 d    11  and you`ve "^never 'seen a 'fox k\illed#           / 
 5 6  36 5440 1 1 d    11  so ^how can you argue on a 'subject like th\is# .  / 
 5 6  36 5450 1 1 d    11  when ^Mr [?m] :B/erry# .                           / 
 5 6  36 5460 1 1 d    11  has [b] is been a ^master of f=ox'hounds#          / 
 5 6  36 5470 1 1 d    11  for [?m] ^many y=ears# .                           / 
 5 6  36 5480 1 1 d    11  and has ^done it 'all his l\ife# -                 / 
 5 6  36 5490 1 1 d    11  ^n\ow then# -                                      / 
 5 6  36 5500 1 1 d    11  ^I can as:sure y\ou#                               / 
 5 6  37 5510 1 1 d    11  that a ^fox 'leaves c\over#                        / 
 5 6  37 5520 1 1 d    11  ^very 'very s/eldom#                               / 
 5 6  37 5530 1 1 d    11  in ^fear of his l\ife# - -                         / 
 5 6  37 5540 1 1 d    11  ^when he is :k/illed#                              / 
 5 6  37 5550 1 1 d    11  he is ^killed !\/instan_taneously#                 / 
 5 6  37 5560 1 1 d    11  because [p] you must ^bear in !m\ind# - .          / 
 5 6  37 5570 1 1 d    11  ^that a !f\oxhound# .                              / 
 5 6  37 5580 1 1 d    11  is ^f\our to _five _times the _weight#             / 
 5 6  37 5590 1 1 d    11  of a ^n/ormal !f\ox# .                             / 
 5 6  37 5600 1 1 d    11  and ^if he !d\oes 'catch it# -                     / 
 5 6  37 5610 1 1 d    11  ^I can as!sure y\ou#                               / 
 5 6  37 5620 1 1 d    11  it`s a ^very 'quick !d/eath#                       / 
 5 6  37 5630 1 1 d    11  ^just like a !terrier with a r\at# -               / 
 5 6  37 5640 1 1 d    11  *and ^all this :n\onsense#*                        / 
 5 6  37 5650 2 1 d    21  you ^read                                          / 
 5 6  37 5660 1 1 m    21  *((now ^may I 2 sylls))*                           / 
 5 6  37 5650 1 1(d    11  in the :p\aper#                                    / 
 5 6  37 5670 1 1 d    11  a^bout being !t\orn#                               / 
 5 6  38 5680 1 1 d    11  and . ^spl\intered#                                / 
 5 6  38 5690 1 1 d    11  and . ^th\/at _sort of _thing#                     / 
 5 6  38 5700 1 1 d    11  is ^all !n\onsense#                                / 
 5 6  38 5710 1 1 d    11  is ^all !/eye'wash# -                              / 
 5 6  38 5720 1 1 d    11  and the ^sooner it`s for'gotten the "b\etter# .    / 
 5 6  38 5730 1 1 m    11  you ^would ac'cept the re:p\ort#                   / 
 5 6  38 5740 1 1 m    11  of ^Mortimer B/atten#                              / 
 5 6  38 5750 1 2 m    11  in the ^first e'dition of :British wild _/animals  / 
 5 6  38 5750 1 1 m    11  *pre'sumably#*                                     / 
 5 6  38 5760 1 1 b    11  *oh ^pl\ease#*                                     / 
 5 6  38 5770 1 1 b    11  don`t **^give us !any 'more quot\ations#**         / 
 5 6  38 5780 1 1 d    11  **^\oh#                                            / 
 5 6  38 5790 1 1 d    11  +^gracious n\o#**+                                 / 
 5 6  38 5800 1 1 d    11  ^my g\oodness :m=e#                                / 
 5 6  38 5810 1 1 m    11  +^n\o no#                                          / 
 5 6  38 5820 1 1 m    11  you`re a^fr\aid of ((th/ose#))+                    / 
 5 6  38 5830 1 1 d    11  *my ^dear f\ellow#*                                / 
 5 6  38 5840 1 1 d    11  ^d\o#                                              / 
 5 6  38 5850 1 1 d    11  [t] ^speak **((s\ense#))**                         / 
 5 6  39 5860 1 1 m    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 6  39 5870 1 1 b    11  **^t\ell** us#                                     / 
 5 6  39 5880 1 1 b    11  from your ^own exp\erience#                        / 
 5 6  39 5890 1 1 m    11  ^very *w\ell#                                      / 
 5 6  39 5900 1 1 m    20  ((now))*                                           / 
 5 6  39 5910 1 1 d    11  *your ^\own ex'perience#* .                        / 
 5 6  39 5920 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 6  39 5930 1 1 m    11  ^very w/ell# .                                     / 
 5 6  39 5940 1 1 m    11  ^n\ow#                                             / 
 5 6  39 5950 1 1 m    11  ^let me s/ee#                                      / 
 5 6  39 5960 1 1 m    13  [we] ^if you ^if this is [kri] ^if this is tr/ue#  / 
 5 6  39 5970 1 1 m    11  then ^why are 'you so /anxious#                    / 
 5 6  39 5980 1 1 m    11  to ^hush 'up what 'really !h\appens# .             / 
 5 6  39 5990 1 1 b    11  I`ve [?m] ^absolutely 'nothing to h\ide#           / 
 5 6  39 6000 2 1 b    21  *^anybody can* 'come 'out **with {m/y}**           / 
 5 6  39 6010 1 1 m    11  *^g\ood#*                                          / 
 5 6  39 6020 1 1 m    11  **^\excellent#**                                   / 
 5 6  40 6000 1 1(b    11  h/ounds#                                           / 
 5 6  40 6030 1 1 b    11  or +do ^anything they l\ike#+                      / 
 5 6  40 6040 1 1 m    11  +^n=ow#                                            / 
 5 6  40 6050 1 1 m    11  a ^little+ 'while ag/o#                            / 
 5 6  40 6060 1 1 m    11  ^we 'had a m/eeting#                               / 
 5 6  40 6070 1 1 m    11  at ^East Gr/instead#                               / 
 5 6  40 6080 1 1 m    11  ^when !you were 'repres/ented#                     / 
 5 6  40 6090 1 1 m    11  ^by your 'publ/icity 'man#                         / 
 5 6  40 6100 1 1 m    11  Mr ^Roger !Br\aben#                                / 
 5 6  40 6110 1 1 b    11  now ^don`t *go 'over* :\all the /old things# +.+   / 
 5 6  40 6120 2 1 b    21  ^tell us 'something of your                        / 
 5 6  40 6130 1 1 m    11  *^wait a m\oment#*                                 / 
 5 6  40 6140 1 1 m    20  +[ae]+                                             / 
 5 6  40 6120 1 2(b    11  **:own ex'perience of what :happens** in the       / 
 5 6  40 6120 1 1(b    11  !f\ield# .                                         / 
 5 6  40 6150 1 1 b    11  ++in the ^f\ield#++                                / 
 5 6  40 6160 1 1 m    11  **((^I`m just !g\oing to#                          / 
 5 6  40 6170 1 1 m    11  1 to 2 sylls))** ++^c/ertainly#++                  / 
 5 6  40 6180 1 1 m    11  ^c\ertainly# .                                     / 
 5 6  40 6190 1 1 m    11  ^just let me *f/inish 'please#* -                  / 
 5 6  40 6200 1 1 m    11  [@:m] ^Roger Br\aben#                              / 
 5 6  41 6210 1 1 b    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 6  41 6220 1 1(m    11  for ^some extra!\ordinary 'reason#                 / 
 5 6  41 6230 1 1 m    11  ^started 'talking about !n\/udism#                 / 
 5 6  41 6240 1 2 m    12  but ^then we 'did [di 'de d@ dh@] ^th\en we 'did   / 
 5 6  41 6240 1 1 m    12  get 'on to :s/omething# -                          / 
 5 6  41 6250 1 1 m    11  ^now [@m] . !he`s 'issued n/ow#                    / 
 5 6  41 6260 1 1 m    11  a di^r\/ective#                                    / 
 5 6  41 6270 1 1 m    11  to ^all 'leaders of :d\og 'packs# -                / 
 5 6  41 6280 1 1 m    11  ^and it !!says h\ere for ex/ample#                 / 
 5 6  41 6290 1 1 m    11  ^this is !Roger Br\aben`s#                         / 
 5 6  41 6300 1 1 m    11  ^own w\/ords#                                      / 
 5 6  41 6310 1 1 m    11  in his ^own 'public\ation#                         / 
 5 6  41 6320 1 1 m    11  ^issued !f\or the 'blood 'sports soc/iety#         / 
 5 6  41 6330 1 2 m    11  ^or the 'fields sports so'ciety or what'ever you   / 
 5 6  41 6330 1 1 m    11  !c/all it# -                                       / 
 5 6  41 6340 1 1 m    11  [@] re^p\orts of h/unting#                         / 
 5 6  42 6350 1 2 m    11  should be re^stricted to de:scriptions of the      / 
 5 6  42 6350 1 1 m    11  :country 'hunted /over# .                          / 
 5 6  42 6360 1 2 m    11  with as ^much 'detail as you 'like of :h=ound      / 
 5 6  42 6360 1 1 m    11  'work# .                                           / 
 5 6  42 6370 1 1 m    11  but a^void 'stressing 'details of the k\ill# .     / 
 5 6  42 6380 1 1 m    11  ^i/e#                                              / 
 5 6  42 6390 1 1 m    11  and ^these are his w/ords# .                       / 
 5 6  42 6400 1 1 m    11  ^h=ounds#                                          / 
 5 6  42 6410 1 1 m    11  ^killing their !dead-beat f\ox# -                  / 
 5 6  42 6420 1 1 m    11  the ^digging 'out of a f/ox# .                     / 
 5 6  42 6430 1 1 m    11  and ^h=ounds#                                      / 
 5 6  42 6440 1 1 m    11  de^serving a 'taste of bl\ood# .                   / 
 5 6  42 6450 1 1 m    11  the ^w\isest ex'pression to /use#                  / 
 5 6  42 6460 1 1 m    11  is that a ^fox was acc\ounted _for# .              / 
 5 6  42 6470 1 1 m    11  ^try to a'void the ex'pression . 'blood sp\orts#   / 
 5 6  42 6480 1 2 m    11  and if ^that isn`t an ad'mission I 'don`t know what/ 
 5 6  42 6480 1 1 m    11  !\is# .                                            / 
 5 6  43 6490 1 1 m    11  **^n\ow#**                                         / 
 5 6  43 6500 1 1 m    11  ^do you [@d] agr/ee#                               / 
 5 6  43 6510 1 1 b    20  **((2 to 3 sylls))**                               / 
 5 6  43 6520 1 1(m    11  that ^foxes \are in *'fact#                        / 
 5 6  43 6530 1 1 m    11  de^liberately 'bred for h/unting#* .               / 
 5 6  43 6540 1 1 b    11  *((^n\o#))                                         / 
 5 6  43 6550 1 1 b    11  ^may I just 'answer ((this))* qu/estion#           / 
 5 6  43 6560 1 1 b    11  [?] +[@] ^you 'raised+ an:\other 'point#           / 
 5 6  43 6570 2 1 b    21  [s] now *^don`t 'move* like a [?]                  / 
 5 6  43 6580 1 1 m    11  +((2 sylls))+ . *^y=es#*                           / 
 5 6  43 6570 1 1(b    11  b\utterfly#                                        / 
 5 6  43 6590 1 1 b    11  from ^one to the /other# -                         / 
 5 6  43 6600 2 1 b    21  ^I`ve **got** !\absolutely                         / 
 5 6  43 6610 1 1 m    11  **^y/es#**                                         / 
 5 6  43 6600 1 1(b    11  'nothing to h/ide about 'this#                     / 
 5 6  43 6620 1 1 b    11  ^I !p\ersonally#                                   / 
 5 6  44 6630 1 1 b    11  ^d\on`t#                                           / 
 5 6  44 6640 1 1 b    11  ^str\ess#                                          / 
 5 6  44 6650 1 1 b    11  the ^death of a !f/ox# .                           / 
 5 6  44 6660 1 1 b    11  it ^doesn`t mean !\any_thing# .                    / 
 5 6  44 6670 1 2 b    11  to "^n\inety per 'cent of the 'people who 'come out/ 
 5 6  44 6670 1 1 b    11  h/unting#                                          / 
 5 6  44 6680 1 1 m    11  then ^why not 'have a !dr\ag 'hunt# .              / 
 5 6  44 6690 1 1 b    11  ^w/ell# .                                          / 
 5 6  44 6700 1 1 b    11  *it`s* ^like 'shooting 'clay !p\igeons#            / 
 5 6  44 6710 2 1 b    22  **there`s ^n\o** . there`s                         / 
 5 6  44 6720 1 1 m    11  *(coughs)* **^y\es#                                / 
 5 6  44 6730 1 1 m    11  that`s ^tr\ue#**                                   / 
 5 6  44 6710 1 1(b    12  ^no 'satisf/action in it#                          / 
 5 6  44 6740 1 1 b    11  at ^\all#                                          / 
 5 6  44 6750 1 1 b    11  it`s ^frightfully +d\ull#+                         / 
 5 6  44 6760 1 1 m    11  +you+ you you ^like your *bit of* f/ilth#          / 
 5 6  44 6770 1 1 m    11  at the ^\end#                                      / 
 5 6  44 6780 1 1 m    11  **^qu\ite#**                                       / 
 5 6  44 6790 1 1 b    11  *^n/o#*                                            / 
 5 6  44 6800 1 1 b    11  **^no** it 'isn`t 'that at \all#                   / 
 5 6  45 6810 2 1 b    21  +it`s the+ un^c\ertainty of the                    / 
 5 6  45 6820 1 1 m    11  +((^1 s\yll#))+                                    / 
 5 6  45 6810 1 1(b    11  :ch/ase# .                                         / 
 5 6  45 6830 1 2 b    11  and [dhi:] - ^chance of . :people enter:taining one/ 
 5 6  45 6830 1 1 b    11  an/other# .                                        / 
 5 6  45 6840 1 1 b    11  en^joying . soc/iety#                              / 
 5 6  45 6850 1 1 b    11  there are ^many "!m\any _aspects _of it#           / 
 5 6  45 6860 1 1 b    11  which are ^simply ":not suppl/ied#                 / 
 5 6  45 6870 1 1 b    11  by a ^dr\ag hunt#                                  / 
 5 6  45 6880 1 1 b    11  we`ve been all ^\over this 'ground be:f/ore#       / 
 5 6  45 6890 2 1 b    21  *I`m ^((s\ure)) you                                / 
 5 6  45 6900 1 1 m    11  *I`m ^s\ure you 'have#*                            / 
 5 6  45 6890 1 1(b    11  'want to* 'be constr/uctive# .                     / 
 5 6  45 6910 1 1 b    11  [m] ex^c\/use me a *_moment#*                      / 
 5 6  45 6920 1 1 d    12  *but* ^m\ay I ^m\ay I 'just 'put this#             / 
 5 6  46 6930 1 1 d    11  ^I think it`s the 'most imp/ortant 'thing#         / 
 5 6  46 6940 1 2 d    11  we`ve ^got to get 'down to the "!r\oot {of the     / 
 5 6  46 6940 1 1 d    11  dis^\ease#}#                                       / 
 5 6  46 6950 2 2 d    22  [dh] the dis^ease that **'Mr** the dis^ease that   / 
 5 6  46 6950 2 1 d    22  'Mr                                                / 
 5 6  46 6960 1 1 m    11  **the dis^ease of** h\unting# .                    / 
 5 6  46 6950 1 1(d    12  'Moore is "s\uffering 'from# -                     / 
 5 6  46 6970 1 1 d    11  ^and you !cannot 'treat a dis:/ease#               / 
 5 6  46 6980 1 1 d    11  un^less you 'know the :c\ause# .                   / 
 5 6  46 6990 1 1 d    11  ^I 'maint/ain#                                     / 
 5 6  46 7000 1 1 d    11  there ^must be !s\omething# .                      / 
 5 6  46 7010 1 1 d    11  a ^c\ause#                                         / 
 5 6  46 7020 1 1 d    11  in ^Mr M\oore# .                                   / 
 5 6  46 7030 1 1 d    11  ^s\uch 'as# -                                      / 
 5 6  46 7040 1 1 d    11  [@:] ^seeing 'something "!dr\eadful#               / 
 5 6  46 7050 1 1 d    11  ^happen to an \animal#                             / 
 5 6  46 7060 1 1 d    11  at an ^early /age#                                 / 
 5 6  47 7070 1 1 d    11  which has im^pr\essed him#                         / 
 5 6  47 7080 1 1 d    11  ^\or# .                                            / 
 5 6  47 7090 1 1 d    11  ^I think 'this is the 'most important p\oint# -    / 
 5 6  47 7100 1 1 d    11  that ^he . 'finds the !s\ocial {^s\ide#}# *-*      / 
 5 6  47 7110 1 1 m    11  *^oh n\o#*                                         / 
 5 6  47 7120 1 1 d    11  ob^j\ectionable# .                                 / 
 5 6  47 7130 1 1 d    11  [dhi: p] ^s\ocial 'side#                           / 
 5 6  47 7140 1 1 d    11  ob^j\ectionable#                                   / 
 5 6  47 7150 1 1 d    11  and I . it ^happens to 'so m/any !p\eople#         / 
 5 6  47 7160 1 1 d    11  I ^can`t bl/ame them#                              / 
 5 6  47 7170 1 2 d    12  it`s their ^own [r@] but ^don`t 'say it`s          / 
 5 6  47 7170 1 1 d    12  :cr/uel# .                                         / 
 5 6  47 7180 1 1 d    11  to ^hunt a f/ox#                                   / 
 5 6  47 7190 1 1 d    11  or ^any 'other /animal#                            / 
 5 6  47 7200 1 1 d    11  pro^vided it is con:tr/olled#                      / 
 5 6  47 7210 1 1 d    11  ^l/ike#                                            / 
 5 6  47 7220 1 1 d    11  the ^m\asters of _foxhounds as_soci_ation#         / 
 5 6  48 7230 1 2 d    11  or the ^masters of 'beagles and !h\arriers         / 
 5 6  48 7230 1 1 d    11  [@'s@ushi'leshn]# .                                / 
 5 6  48 7240 1 1 d    11  [i] . it`s ^r/un#                                  / 
 5 6  48 7250 1 1 d    11  under ^very 'very 'strict r\ules# - -              / 
 5 6  48 7260 1 1 m    11  *well ^th\is* of c/ourse#                          / 
 5 6  48 7270 2 1 m    22  ^is . ^may I                                       / 
 5 6  48 7280 1 1 b    11  *^n\ow#                                            / 
 5 6  48 7290 1 1 b    21  ^may I*                                            / 
 5 6  48 7270 1 1(m    12  s/ay#                                              / 
 5 6  48 7300 1 1 m    11  with**^=out#                                       / 
 5 6  48 7310 2 1 m    21  with with** "^\one                                 / 
 5 6  48 7320 1 1 b    20  **((3 to 4 sylls))**                               / 
 5 6  48 7310 1 1(m    11  ex'ception I :th/ink#                              / 
 5 6  48 7330 1 1 m    11  the ^most extra!\ordinarily {^f\utile#}#           / 
 5 6  48 7340 1 1 m    11  ^\/argument#                                       / 
 5 6  48 7350 1 1 m    11  that I`ve ^\ever#                                  / 
 5 6  48 7360 1 1 m    11  ^heard in my l/\ife# .                             / 
 5 6  48 7370 1 1 m    11  and I just ^don`t know 'how to !\answer it#        / 
 5 6  48 7380 1 2 m    11  it`s ((just)) like ^swearing that :black *is       / 
 5 6  48 7380 1 1 m    11  !wh\ite#*                                          / 
 5 6  49 7390 1 1 d    11  *"^g/\ood#                                         / 
 5 6  49 7400 1 1 d    11  ^((well))* I`m !jolly "gl/\ad#                     / 
 5 6  49 7410 1 1 m    11  ^I don`t think it`s !\answerable#                  / 
 5 6  49 7420 1 1 m    11  I mean ^if !you t\ell 'me# .                       / 
 5 6  49 7430 1 1 m    11  that the ^moon is :half a 'million 'miles aw/ay# . / 
 5 6  49 7440 1 1 m    11  ^I can 'prove to you that it !\isn`t#              / 
 5 6  49 7450 1 2 m    11  be^cause I`ve got 'something to !b\ase my**'self** / 
 5 6  49 7450 1 1 m    11  'on#                                               / 
 5 6  49 7460 2 1 m    21  but                                                / 
 5 6  49 7470 1 1 ?    20  **[m]**                                            / 
 5 6  49 7460 1 1(m    11  ^if you 'tell me that :black is :wh\/ite# .        / 
 5 6  49 7480 1 1 m    11  which in ef^fect is 'what you !\are d/oing# .      / 
 5 6  49 7490 1 2 m    11  there`s just ^no ration'ality be'hind it at        / 
 5 6  49 7490 1 1 m    11  !!\all# .                                          / 
 5 6  50 7500 1 1 b    11  ^g\ood#                                            / 
 5 6  50 7510 1 1 b    11  *well ^n/ow#                                       / 
 5 6  50 7520 1 1 b    11  ((^let`s . go on to the n\ext 'point#))*           / 
 5 6  50 7530 1 1 m    11  *of ^c\ourse# .                                    / 
 5 6  50 7540 1 2 m    12  ^may I 'just 'ask you .* ^may I 'ask 'you \one     / 
 5 6  50 7540 1 1 m    12  **'question n/ow#**                                / 
 5 6  50 7550 1 1 b    11  **^y/es#**                                         / 
 5 6  50 7560 1 1 b    11  come ^/on#                                         / 
 5 6  50 7570 1 1 m    11  ^do you agr/ee#                                    / 
 5 6  50 7580 1 1 m    11  that ^foxes !\are in 'fact {pre^s\erved#}#         / 
 5 6  50 7590 1 1 m    11  for the ^purposes of f\oxhunting# .                / 
 5 6  50 7600 1 1 b    11  ^w/ell# .                                          / 
 5 6  50 7610 1 1 b    11  ^that`s a v\ery big p/oint#                        / 
 5 6  50 7620 1 1 b    11  ^I would s\ay#                                     / 
 5 6  50 7630 1 1 b    11  that ^I . "!t\olerate f/oxes# .                    / 
 5 6  50 7640 1 1 b    11  ^that`s to 'say I !d\on`t# .                       / 
 5 6  50 7650 1 1 b    11  ^k\/ill them#                                      / 
 5 6  50 7660 1 1 b    11  on ^every 'day of the y\ear# .                     / 
 5 6  50 7670 1 1 m    11  *((^n\o#                                           / 
 5 6  50 7680 1 1 m    20  but you))*                                         / 
 5 6  51 7690 1 1 b    11  *now ((do)) ^you* call 'that pres/erving 'foxes#   / 
 5 6  51 7700 1 1 m    11  ^no I d\on`t#                                      / 
 5 6  51 7710 1 1 m    11  I`m ^talking a'bout de:liberately br\eeding them# -/ 
 5 6  51 7720 1 1 b    11  ^w/ell#                                            / 
 5 6  51 7730 1 1 b    11  I ^let them 'breed in the spr/ing# .               / 
 5 6  51 7740 2 1 m    23  but ^you !don`t [@:] ^you !would **[@]**           / 
 5 6  51 7750 1 1 b    21  **^I**                                             / 
 5 6  51 7740 1 1(m    13  ^would you for ex'ample [@m] :t\ake 'fox c/ubs#    / 
 5 6  51 7760 1 1 m    11  and ^then 'let them g\o#                           / 
 5 6  51 7770 1 1 m    11  ((to)) ^hunt them *!l\ater#*                       / 
 5 6  51 7780 1 1 b    11  *^n/o#*                                            / 
 5 6  51 7790 1 1 b    11  I ^would n\ot# .                                   / 
 5 6  51 7800 2 2 b    21  there`s +a ^very . :stringent+ 'rule of the        / 
 5 6  51 7800 2 1 b    21  'masters of                                        / 
 5 6  52 7810 1 1 m    11  +((well [@m])) . ^y\es#+                           / 
 5 6  52 7800 1 1(b    11  'foxhounds as:soci'ation in "!th\at re'spect#      / 
 5 6  52 7820 1 1 b    11  ^t\oo#                                             / 
 5 6  52 7830 1 1 b    11  *as you ^kn\ow#*                                   / 
 5 6  52 7840 1 1 m    11  *in ^that c\ase#*                                  / 
 5 6  52 7850 1 1 m    11  [dhi:] ^Sunday Expr\ess#                           / 
 5 6  52 7860 1 1 m    11  of ^August the 'twenty-first **'nineteen s/ixty#** / 
 5 6  52 7870 1 1 b    22  **oh ^don`t ^don`t** ((6 to 7 sylls))              / 
 5 6  52 7880 1 1 d    20  ((3 to 4 sylls +2 sylls+))                         / 
 5 6  52 7890 1 1 b    11  +this is+ ^{\absolutely} !s\illy#                  / 
 5 6  52 7900 1 1 b    20  *it`s                                              / 
 5 6  52 7910 1 1 m    21  *((I ^wouldn`t mind))*                             / 
 5 6  52 7920 1 1 b    11  a^g\ain#*                                          / 
 5 6  52 7930 1 1 b    11  you`re ^getting b/ack#                             / 
 5 6  52 7940 1 2 b    11  to the . ^arguing from the **. par:ticular to the  / 
 5 6  52 7940 1 1 b    11  ((g\eneral#))**                                    / 
 5 6  53 7950 1 1 m    11  **the ^/\Earl of M/arlborough#**                   / 
 5 6  53 7960 1 1 m    11  ^joint 'master of the :Brockleby h/unt# .          / 
 5 6  53 7970 1 1 m    11  [@] ^sp\oke to 'me as a re:p=orter# .              / 
 5 6  53 7980 1 1 m    11  of the ^f\ox 'cub#                                 / 
 5 6  53 7990 1 1 m    11  the ^hunt has c/ared for#                          / 
 5 6  53 8000 1 1 m    11  and ^set !fr\ee# .                                 / 
 5 6  53 8010 1 1 m    11  "^that of 'course is wr\ong then# -                / 
 5 6  53 8020 1 1 b    11  it`s ^abso'lutely wr/ong#                          / 
 5 6  53 8030 1 1 b    11  by the ^FH r\ules#                                 / 
 5 6  53 8040 1 1 b    11  ^if in 'fact *'that is 'what he d\id#*             / 
 5 6  53 8050 1 1 m    11  *^right you \are#* -                               / 
 5 6  53 8060 1 1 m    11  ^yes ex\actly# .                                   / 
 5 6  53 8070 1 1 b    11  ^n\ow#                                             / 
 5 6  53 8080 1 1 b    11  ^as I s/ay#                                        / 
 5 6  53 8090 1 1 b    11  ^\every'body#                                      / 
 5 6  53 8100 1 1 b    11  ^has its !code of r/ules# .                        / 
 5 6  53 8110 1 1 b    11  the ^object of ":h\aving r/ules#                   / 
 5 6  54 8120 1 1 b    11  ^is to 'keep _people in !!\order# .                / 
 5 6  54 8130 1 1 b    11  ^f\oxh/unters# .                                   / 
 5 6  54 8140 1 1 b    11  I`m . ^s\ure I`m 'right in s/aying#                / 
 5 6  54 8150 1 2 b    11  are a ^very 'broad 'section of the 'English        / 
 5 6  54 8150 1 1 b    11  comm\unity#                                        / 
 5 6  54 8160 2 1 b    21  **they`re** ^no 'better                            / 
 5 6  54 8170 1 1 d    11  **ex^\actly#**                                     / 
 5 6  54 8160 1 1(b    11  and *:no w/orse#                                   / 
 5 6  54 8180 1 1 b    21  than the* ^\other 'sec                             / 
 5 6  54 8190 1 1 m    21  *ac^cording to*                                    / 
 5 6  54 8200 1 1 b    11  ^don`t interr/upt **'please#**                     / 
 5 6  54 8210 1 1 m    11  **((no)) I`m** ^so s/orry#                         / 
 5 6  54 8220 1 1 b    22  you ^haven`t . you ^must *((be))*                  / 
 5 6  54 8230 1 1 m    11  *^no* I !quite agr\ee#                             / 
 5 6  54 8240 1 1 m    11  I`m ^s\orry# .                                     / 
 5 6  55 8250 1 1 b    11  [@:] ^we`re \out# .                                / 
 5 6  55 8260 1 1 b    11  [@] Mr ^Danby and \/I# .                           / 
 5 6  55 8270 1 1 b    11  to ^s\/ay# .                                       / 
 5 6  55 8280 1 1 b    11  and I`m ^s\ure we`re r/ight# .                     / 
 5 6  55 8290 1 1 b    11  that ^we /are# .                                   / 
 5 6  55 8300 1 1 b    11  a ^normal !cross-s/ection#                         / 
 5 6  55 8310 1 1 b    11  of the ^people who 'live in 'rural \England#       / 
 5 6  55 8320 1 1 b    11  ^no b/etter#                                       / 
 5 6  55 8330 1 1 b    11  no ^w/orse# -                                      / 
 5 6  55 8340 1 1 b    11  we ac^c\ept the 'hospi'tality#                     / 
 5 6  55 8350 1 1 b    11  of a "^l\ot of our :fr/iends# -                    / 
 5 6  55 8360 1 1 b    11  it`s ^up to /us#                                   / 
 5 6  55 8370 1 1 b    11  to ^have a 'code of . 'decent beh/aviour#          / 
 5 6  55 8380 1 1 b    11  and . to ^show . 'people who are :new to the g/ame#/ 
 5 6  55 8390 1 1 b    11  that they . de^pend *on hospit/ality#              / 
 5 6  55 8400 1 1 b    11  and ^s\o on#*                                      / 
 5 6  55 8410 1 1 m    11  *you ^call it a g\ame* [@]#                        / 
 5 6  56 8420 1 1 b    11  the **^people** as I :s\ay#                        / 
 5 6  56 8430 1 1 m    20  **[@m]**                                           / 
 5 6  56 8440 1 1(b    11  who . ^come out h/unting# .                        / 
 5 6  56 8450 1 1 b    11  ^ninety per c\/ent of them# -                      / 
 5 6  56 8460 1 1 b    11  have . ^very 'very 'seldom !s\ee a :f/ox# .        / 
 5 6  56 8470 1 1 b    11  they ^do from 'time to t/ime#                      / 
 5 6  56 8480 1 1 b    11  they "^c\ertainly#                                 / 
 5 6  56 8490 1 1 b    11  ^couldn`t 'take !\any 'part#                       / 
 5 6  56 8500 1 1 b    11  in . ^k/illing it# .                               / 
 5 6  56 8510 1 2 b    11  a^part from . 'paying their sub:scription to the   / 
 5 6  56 8510 1 1 b    11  s/ecretary# -                                      / 
 5 6  56 8520 1 2 b    11  the ^people who [d] "!\are /interested .           / 
 5 6  56 8520 1 1 b    11  {^n/aturally#}#                                    / 
 5 6  56 8530 1 1 b    11  ^are the p/eople#                                  / 
 5 6  56 8540 1 1 b    11  who are re^sp\onsible#                             / 
 5 6  56 8550 1 1 b    11  ^for the !w\elfare#                                / 
 5 6  56 8560 1 1 b    11  and the con^trol of the !h\ounds# -                / 
 5 6  57 8570 1 2 b    11  and to "^say that 'they are - :more 'brutal than   / 
 5 6  57 8570 1 1 b    11  'any other :section of the com!m/unity#            / 
 5 6  57 8580 1 1 b    11  just ^simply :isn`t !tr\ue# -                      / 
 5 6  57 8590 1 1 m    12  ^now [@] *a ^little 'while ag/o#*                  / 
 5 6  57 8600 1 1 b    12  *((1 syll ^may ^may I)) 'go /on* a 'moment# .      / 
 5 6  57 8610 1 1 b    20  **((1 syll))**                                     / 
 5 6  57 8620 1 1 m    11  **oh** I`m ^so s/orry#                             / 
 5 6  57 8630 1 1 m    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 6  57 8640 1 1 m    11  *((you`ve))* . ^had f\ive 'minutes I th/ink#       / 
 5 6  57 8650 1 1 m    11  but ^d\o cont/inue#                                / 
 5 6  57 8660 1 1 b    11  *[@:m]* ^f\ox'hunters#                             / 
 5 6  57 8670 1 1 b    11  as I ^s\ay#                                        / 
 5 6  57 8680 1 2 b    11  are ^drawn from !\all 'sections of the             / 
 5 6  57 8680 1 1 b    11  com:m/unity# -                                     / 
 5 6  58 8690 1 1 b    11  ^=and# - .                                         / 
 5 6  58 8700 1 1 b    11  they ^occupy !m\any _other# - .                    / 
 5 6  58 8710 1 1 b    11  re^sp\onsible po:s/itions#                         / 
 5 6  58 8720 1 1 b    11  in ^\all 'walks of l/ife# -                        / 
 5 6  58 8730 1 1 b    11  [?i] ^n\obody {^s\ays#}#                           / 
 5 6  58 8740 1 1 b    11  that a ^chap !c\an`t {^b\e#}# -                    / 
 5 6  58 8750 1 1 b    11  a ^Member of :P/arliament#                         / 
 5 6  58 8760 1 1 b    11  or a . ^Cabinet !M/inister#                        / 
 5 6  58 8770 1 1 b    11  or a ^m/agistrate#                                 / 
 5 6  58 8780 1 1 b    11  be"^cause he`s a f/ox'hunter# -                    / 
 5 6  58 8790 1 1 b    11  in ^fact I !kn\ow#                                 / 
 5 6  58 8800 1 2 b    11  of a ^very 'very . re:spected . pro!fessional      / 
 5 6  58 8800 1 1 b    11  :h\/untsman# .                                     / 
 5 6  58 8810 1 1 b    11  who has ^spent !all his :l\/ife#                   / 
 5 6  58 8820 1 1 b    11  ^in k/ennels# .                                    / 
 5 6  58 8830 1 1 b    11  who ^on his re:t\/irement#                         / 
 5 6  58 8840 1 2 b    11  has been ^made a !m\agistrate - - {^quite          / 
 5 6  58 8840 1 1 b    11  l\ately#}#                                         / 
 5 6  59 8850 1 1 b    11  ^now that !doesn`t sug":g\est# .                   / 
 5 6  59 8860 1 1 b    11  that the ^local o:p\inion 'is#                     / 
 5 6  59 8870 1 1 b    11  that ^he`s . be'come any more !b/arbarous#         / 
 5 6  59 8880 1 1 b    11  through ^being a pro:fessional _h/untsman# -       / 
 5 6  59 8890 1 2 b    11  or ^less 'calculated to be 'able to look 'after his/ 
 5 6  59 8890 1 1 b    11  n/eighbours# .                                     / 
 5 6  59 8900 1 1 b    11  if ^anything 'rather the c\ontrary# - -            / 
 5 6  59 8910 1 2 m    11  ^I`ve been 'trying to make some :s\ense 'out of    / 
 5 6  59 8910 1 1 m    11  'this#                                             / 
 5 6  59 8920 1 1 m    11  I`m a^fraid I c\an`t#                              / 
 5 6  59 8930 1 1 d    12  *^\I`d go [s] . ^I`d go so f/ar#                   / 
 5 6  59 8940 2 1 d    21  as                                                 / 
 5 6  59 8950 1 1 m    20  *((12 to 15 sylls))*                               / 
 5 6  60 8940 1 1(d    11  to ^s/ay#                                          / 
 5 6  60 8960 1 1 d    11  that the the the ^MF*:\/H#                         / 
 5 6  60 8970 1 2 d    11  [@] a^bout !twenty-:five to :thirty :years         / 
 5 6  60 8970 1 1 d    11  a:g\/o# -                                          / 
 5 6  60 8980 1 1 d    11  [@:] . perhaps ^not so 'much !n\/ow#               / 
 5 6  60 8990 1 1 d    11  but ^he was reg/arded#                             / 
 5 6  60 9000 1 1 d    11  as the [wa] ^great 'man in the "c\ountry# .        / 
 5 6  60 9010 1 1 d    11  ^he was resp\ected# .                              / 
 5 6  60 9020 1 1 d    11  be^c\ause#                                         / 
 5 6  60 9030 1 1 d    11  ^he had a !great d\uty to perf/orm#                / 
 5 6  60 9040 1 1 d    11  to the [?p] to the ^whole of his c\ountry# -       / 
 5 6  60 9050 1 1 d    11  ^and *he* !d/id it# .                              / 
 5 6  60 9060 1 1 m    20  *[@:m]*                                            / 
 5 6  60 9070 1 1(d    14  ^and !he was [@:] ^and ^and and and "^h\ence# .    / 
 5 6  60 9080 1 1 d    11  ^hunting has 'gone "/\on#                          / 
 5 6  60 9090 1 1 d    11  from ^age to \age# -                               / 
 5 6  61 9100 1 1 m    11  ^n=ow#                                             / 
 5 6  61 9110 1 1 m    11  I would ^like if I :m\/ay#                         / 
 5 6  61 9120 1 1 m    11  to ^turn to 'two p\oints#                          / 
 5 6  61 9130 1 1 m    11  ^first of /all#                                    / 
 5 6  61 9140 1 2 m    11  you ^may have 'heard of :Captain 'Robert           / 
 5 6  61 9140 1 1 m    11  Ch/urchwood#                                       / 
 5 6  61 9150 1 1 m    11  ^M/C# .                                            / 
 5 6  61 9160 1 1 m    12  who was a ^master of '[hau] ^master of h\ounds#    / 
 5 6  61 9170 1 1 m    11  for ^thirty {y/ears} or s/o# .                     / 
 5 6  61 9180 1 1 m    11  has ^n\ow#                                         / 
 5 6  61 9190 1 1 m    11  ^changed his :v\/iews#                             / 
 5 6  61 9200 1 1 m    11  having ^realized how "!utterly "f/ilthy#           / 
 5 6  61 9210 1 1 m    11  de"^gr/ading#                                      / 
 5 6  61 9220 1 1 m    11  and "^b\arbarous#                                  / 
 5 6  61 9230 1 1 m    11  the ^whole 'thing "!/is# .                         / 
 5 6  61 9240 1 1 m    11  ^and has 'written ext\ensively a'bout it# .        / 
 5 6  61 9250 1 1 m    11  and I can ^only s\/ay#                             / 
 5 6  61 9260 1 1 m    11  that ^Captain Ch/urchwood#                         / 
 5 6  61 9270 1 1 m    11  ^in his b\ook#                                     / 
 5 6  61 9280 1 1 m    11  which I`ve ^got h\ere#                             / 
 5 6  61 9290 1 1 m    11  which you ^may 'care to r/ead#                     / 
 5 6  62 9300 1 1 m    11  if you have "^t/ime# .                             / 
 5 6  62 9310 1 1 m    11  does ^not conf\irm#                                / 
 5 6  62 9320 1 2 m    11  ^anything that '[du:] :you 'two 'gentlemen have    / 
 5 6  62 9320 1 1 m    11  "!s\aid# .                                         / 
 5 6  62 9330 1 1 m    11  so I`m a^fr\aid#                                   / 
 5 6  62 9340 1 1 m    11  there`s a ^very w\ide#                             / 
 5 6  62 9350 1 1 m    11  ^di'vergence of o:p\/inion#                        / 
 5 6  62 9360 1 1 m    12  a^mong the 'hunts ^w\ell#                          / 
 5 6  62 9370 1 1 m    11  the ^hunts and the "!\ex-'hunts :p/eople#          / 
 5 6  62 9380 1 1 m    11  them^s\elves# .                                    / 
 5 6  62 9390 1 1 m    11  [@: @] there ^are some de!lightful \extracts#      / 
 5 6  62 9400 1 1 m    11  from ^Captain _Ch/urchwood`s 'book#                / 
 5 6  62 9410 1 1 m    11  that I would ^like to _r/ead to you#               / 
 5 6  62 9420 1 1 m    11  but I`m a^fraid we 'haven`t got !t\ime#            / 
 5 6  62 9430 1 1 m    11  so ^let us 'now :t\/urn# .                         / 
 5 6  62 9440 1 1 m    11  to the be^haviour of the h/untsmen# .              / 
 5 6  63 9450 1 1 m    11  ^and in part/icular# .                             / 
 5 6  63 9460 1 1 m    11  to ^their eff/ects#                                / 
 5 6  63 9470 1 1 m    11  up^on y/oung p\eople# -                            / 
 5 6  63 9480 1 1 m    11  ^n=ow#                                             / 
 5 6  63 9490 1 1 m    11  ^this 'practice of !bl\ooding ch/ildren#           / 
 5 6  63 9500 1 1 m    11  ^strikes m/e#                                      / 
 5 6  63 9510 1 1 m    11  as ^being !quite the most :b/arbarous#             / 
 5 6  63 9520 1 1 m    11  and dis^g\usting pr/actice#                        / 
 5 6  63 9530 1 1 m    11  ^in the 'modern !w\orld#                           / 
 5 6  63 9540 1 1 d    11  but we ^all a!!gr\ee on 'that#                     / 
 5 6  63 9550 1 1 m    11  you would you op^pose bl\ooding#                   / 
 5 6  63 9560 1 1 b    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 5 6  63 9570 1 1 d    11  ^well of :c\ourse I 'do# .                         / 
 5 6  63 9580 2 1 d    22  *I                                                 / 
 5 6  63 9590 1 1 m    11  *you ^do* opp\ose 'blooding#                       / 
 5 6  63 9580 1 1(d    12  ^think* ^\I# .                                     / 
 5 6  63 9600 1 1 d    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 6  63 9610 1 1 d    11  I ^think it !\is a _barbarous _thing#              / 
 5 6  64 9620 1 1 d    11  ^\I was bl/ooded#                                  / 
 5 6  64 9630 1 1 d    11  when ^I was a ch/ild# -                            / 
 5 6  64 9640 1 1 d    11  but ^I had !no 'no 'alt\ernative#                  / 
 5 6  64 9650 1 1 d    11  but I ^probably enj\oyed it#                       / 
 5 6  64 9660 1 1 d    11  and was ^very !!pr\oud to be 'blooded# -           / 
 5 6  64 9670 1 1 d    11  ^b\ut#                                             / 
 5 6  64 9680 1 1 d    11  [@: @] as as a ^master of b/eagles#                / 
 5 6  64 9690 1 2 d    12  I`m . ^I 'wouldn`t ^I 'wouldn`t 'blood a 'child    / 
 5 6  64 9690 1 1 d    12  tod/ay#                                            / 
 5 6  64 9700 2 1 d    21  because *they ^happened to be* 'up at the          / 
 5 6  64 9710 1 1 b    11  *((^very w\ell#))*                                 / 
 5 6  64 9700 1 1(d    11  !k/ill#                                            / 
 5 6  64 9720 1 1 d    11  un^l\ess# .                                        / 
 5 6  64 9730 1 1 d    11  the ^p\arents#                                     / 
 5 6  64 9740 1 1 d    11  ((who)) ^w\/ished it#                              / 
 5 6  64 9750 1 1 d    11  I`d ^I think it`s a "h/\orrible 'thing#            / 
 5 6  64 9760 1 1 d    11  it`s [@] ar^ch\aic#                                / 
 5 6  65 9770 1 1 d    11  it`s bar^b\aric#                                   / 
 5 6  65 9780 1 1 m    11  well I`m ^very 'glad to 'hear you s\ay th/at#      / 
 5 6  65 9790 1 2 m    11  and I have [s] a ^slightly 'less con'tempt for you / 
 5 6  65 9790 1 1 m    11  than I 'had ((when)) the 'start of this pr\ogramme#/ 
 5 6  65 9800 1 1 m    11  *and do ^you agr\ee with 'that Mr B/erry#*         / 
 5 6  65 9810 1 1 b    11  *((oh ^I will a'gree we !want))* s\omething#       / 
 5 6  65 9820 1 1 b    11  **^I \absolutely** agr/ee#                         / 
 5 6  65 9830 1 1 m    20  **((2 sylls))**                                    / 
 5 6  65 9840 1 1(b    11  I ^never . n\ever#                                 / 
 5 6  65 9850 1 1 b    11  ^have en'couraged \anybody {to be ^bl\ooded#}#     / 
 5 6  65 9860 1 1 b    11  *. ((^I can s\ay that#                             / 
 5 6  65 9870 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#))*                                          / 
 5 6  65 9880 1 1 m    11  *((well)) I`m ex^tremely gl\ad#                    / 
 5 6  66 9890 1 1 m    11  a^bout* th\at# -                                   / 
 5 6  66 9900 1 1 m    11  ^n=ow#                                             / 
 5 6  66 9910 1 1 m    11  [dhi:] ^s\econd 'thing#                            / 
 5 6  66 9920 1 1 m    11  ^I would !like to 'come to n/ow#                   / 
 5 6  66 9930 1 2 m    12  ^is 'your [f @:] ^is your 'fact that 'you have     / 
 5 6  66 9930 1 1 m    12  for!bidden the :R'S'P'C\A#                         / 
 5 6  66 9940 1 1 m    11  to ^come /out#                                     / 
 5 6  66 9950 1 1 m    11  a^gainst f\ox'hunting#                             / 
 5 6  66 9960 1 1 b    21  ^no                                                / 
 5 6  66 9970 1 1 m    11  ^as you kn\ow#                                     / 
 5 6  66 9980 1 1 m    11  ^foxh\unting#                                      / 
 5 6  66 9990 2 1 m    21  *is                                                / 
 5 6  6610000 1 1 ?    20  *((2 sylls))*                                      / 
 5 6  66 9990 1 1(m    11  op^p/osed#*                                        / 
 5 6  6610010 1 1 m    11  by the ^RS'PC\A#                                   / 
 5 6  6610020 1 1 m    11  ^as a sp\ort#                                      / 
 5 6  6610030 1 1 m    11  but they do ^not opp\ose **it#                     / 
 5 6  6610040 1 1 m    11  ((3 to 4 sylls ^2 sylls)) con!tr\ol#**             / 
 5 6  6610050 1 1 b    11  **^Mr M\oore#                                      / 
 5 6  6610060 1 1 b    11  ^l\ook 'here#                                      / 
 5 6  6610070 1 2 b    11  this is ^not** . going to 'get 'on to the          / 
 5 6  6610070 1 1 b    11  :p\olitics of th/is 'thing#                        / 
 5 6  6710080 1 1 b    11  ^we`re 'trying to 'find \out#                      / 
 5 6  6710090 1 1 b    11  about ^foxes and 'human b\eings#                   / 
 5 6  6710100 1 1 b    11  *((1 to 2 sylls))* **^n/o#                         / 
 5 6  6710110 1 1 m    11  *^I !\am#*                                         / 
 5 6  6710120 1 1 m    11  and I`m ^just **. 'giving you an ex\/ample#**      / 
 5 6  6710130 1 1(b    11  . it`s ^simply** n\o 'good#                        / 
 5 6  6710140 1 1 b    11  ^don`t for 'goodness :s\ake#                       / 
 5 6  6710150 1 1 b    11  ^go to your !wr\etched#                            / 
 5 6  6710160 1 1 b    11  quo^tations ag/ain#                                / 
 5 6  6710170 1 1 b    11  *((just ^stick to the f\acts#))*                   / 
 5 6  6710180 1 1 m    11  *I`m ^not g\oing to#                               / 
 5 6  6710190 1 2 m    11  I`m* ^going to (('give you them)) from my /own     / 
 5 6  6710190 1 1 m    11  exp\erience# -                                     / 
 5 6  6710200 1 1 m    11  ^as you kn\ow#                                     / 
 5 6  6710210 1 1 m    11  the ^council of the 'RS'PC:\/A#                    / 
 5 6  6710220 1 1 m    11  does "^n\ot op'pose#                               / 
 5 6  6810230 1 1 m    11  [@:m] ^f/ox'hunting#                               / 
 5 6  6810240 1 1 m    11  the ^membership !d\oes# -                          / 
 5 6  6810250 1 1 m    11  "^th\/ere'fore#                                    / 
 5 6  6810260 1 1 m    11  ^when . [@] on a ma"!j\ority#                      / 
 5 6  6810270 1 1 m    11  ^v\/ote# .                                         / 
 5 6  6810280 1 1 m    11  at "^two extra:\ordinary 'meetings#                / 
 5 6  6810290 1 1 m    11  con^v\ened for the p/urpose# .                     / 
 5 6  6810300 1 1 m    11  [dhi] ^c\ouncil#                                   / 
 5 6  6810310 1 1 m    11  with their ^pro-foxhunting p\olicy#                / 
 5 6  6810320 1 1 m    11  ^was de!f\/eated# .                                / 
 5 6  6810330 1 1 m    11  [@] ^by [@:] a !str\aight v/ote#                   / 
 5 6  6810340 1 1 m    11  although ^not by the :tw\o 'thirds#                / 
 5 6  6810350 1 1 m    11  ma^jority r/ule# .                                 / 
 5 6  6810360 1 1 m    11  ^Colonel Sir 'Ralph Cl/ark#                        / 
 5 6  6810370 1 1 m    11  who`s a ^dog 'pack l/eader#                        / 
 5 6  6810380 1 1 m    11  as you ^kn/ow#                                     / 
 5 6  6810390 1 1 m    11  and ^treasurer of the :blood 'sports soc/iety# .   / 
 5 6  6810400 1 1 m    11  ^/issued#                                          / 
 5 6  6810410 1 1 m    11  an ap^p\/eal#                                      / 
 5 6  6810420 1 1 m    11  to ^all 'huntsmen to :join the 'RS'PC!\A# -        / 
 5 6  6910430 1 2 m    11  *(([@:] with the re^sult that they 'have now       / 
 5 6  6910430 1 1 m    11  !sw\amped it#))*                                   / 
 5 6  6910440 1 1 b    11  *Mr ^M\oore#                                       / 
 5 6  6910450 1 1 b    11  I ^r\eally 'think#*                                / 
 5 6  6910460 1 1 b    11  this has ^absolutely :nothing to d/o#              / 
 5 6  6910470 1 1 b    11  with the **^feelings of the** f\ox# .              / 
 5 6  6910480 2 1 b    21  this is                                            / 
 5 6  6910490 1 1 m    11  **it has ^/\everything to 'do with it#**           / 
 5 6  6910480 1 1(b    21  ^absolutely                                        / 
 5 6  6910500 1 1 d    22  ^what [u] 'I ^I [u] *((1 syll))*                   / 
 5 6  6910510 1 1 b    11  *Mr* ^Danby`s !c\ome 'here this :=evening#         / 
 5 6  6910520 1 1 b    11  as a ^v\eterinary *s/urgeon#                       / 
 5 6  6910530 2 1 b    21  and* ^somebody who !kn\ows about                   / 
 5 6  6910540 1 1 d    20  *((3 to 4 sylls))*                                 / 
 5 6  6910530 1 1(b    11  do:m=estic 'animals#                               / 
 5 6  6910550 1 1 b    11  and ^wild =animals# .                              / 
 5 6  7010560 1 1 b    11  to ^s=ay#                                          / 
 5 6  7010570 1 1 b    11  ^whether there =is#                                / 
 5 6  7010580 1 1 b    11  a ^better alternative to h\unting#                 / 
 5 6  7010590 1 1 b    11  *because . ^going b\ack#                           / 
 5 6  7010600 1 1 b    20  to this*                                           / 
 5 6  7010610 1 1 m    11  *I`ve ^just r\ead you#                             / 
 5 6  7010620 1 1 m    11  ^just g\iven you#*                                 / 
 5 6  7010630 1 2 m    11  the ^Ministry of '[aeg] 'Agri**culture`s           / 
 5 6  7010630 1 1 m    11  op/inions#**                                       / 
 5 6  7010640 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 5 6  7010650 1 2 b    11  ^that !doesn`t** w\eigh with me 'very 'much *I`m   / 
 5 6  7010650 1 1 b    11  afr/aid#                                           / 
 5 6  7010660 1 1 b    11  ^n=o#*                                             / 
 5 6  7010670 1 2 m    13  *^you don`t ^you don`t* ^you don`t trust the       / 
 5 6  7010670 1 1 m    13  m\inistry#                                         / 
 5 6  7010680 1 1 b    11  ^n/o# .                                            / 
 5 6  7010690 1 1 b    11  I ^d\on`t# .                                       / 
 5 6  7010700 1 1 b    11  I`ve **^s\een 'some of ((these 'chaps))#**         / 
 5 6  7010710 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  7010720 1 1 m    12  **((^where d\oes one _go))** in ^other w/ords#     / 
 5 6  7110730 1 1 m    11  ^you would s/ay#                                   / 
 5 6  7110740 1 1 m    11  that the ^Ministry of 'Agric/ulture#               / 
 5 6  7110750 1 1 m    11  ^is "!wr\ong#                                      / 
 5 6  7110760 1 1 m    11  and you would ^set yourself 'up ag\ainst them# .   / 
 5 6  7110770 1 1 b    11  ^I should s/ay#                                    / 
 5 6  7110780 1 2 b    11  that [@:] ^I`ve had !much !more ex:p\erience {of   / 
 5 6  7110780 1 1 b    11  ^shooting f\oxes#}#                                / 
 5 6  7110790 1 1 b    11  than a ^great m\any 'people#                       / 
 5 6  7110800 1 1 b    11  in the ^Ministry of \Agriculture#                  / 
 5 6  7110810 1 1 m    11  but ^would you a'gree with th\is# .                / 
 5 6  7110820 1 1 m    11  ^when you sh\oot a f/ox# .                         / 
 5 6  7110830 1 1 m    11  the ^i!d=ea#                                       / 
 5 6  7110840 1 1 m    11  ^is to !kill it . cl\/eanly#                       / 
 5 6  7110850 1 1 m    11  and with the ^minimum a'mount of s\uffering# .     / 
 5 6  7110860 1 1 b    11  I`m ^w\ith you#                                    / 
 5 6  7210870 1 1 m    11  in the ^case of f\/oxes#                           / 
 5 6  7210880 1 1 m    11  ^that is 'not the _c/ase#                          / 
 5 6  7210890 1 1 m    11  and we can ^also 'draw a :parallel h/ere#          / 
 5 6  7210900 1 1 m    11  with a ^thing that I !kn\ow {^y\ou 'two#}#         / 
 5 6  7210910 1 1 m    11  are ^very 'anxious ":n\ot to be m/entioned# .      / 
 5 6  7210920 1 1 m    11  and ^that is !st\ag'hunting#                       / 
 5 6  7210930 1 1 m    11  the ^principles are ex:actly the s\ame# -          / 
 5 6  7210940 1 1 m    11  ^of the tw/o#                                      / 
 5 6  7210950 1 1 m    11  I sup^pose that st\ag_hunting# .                   / 
 5 6  7210960 1 1 m    11  ^well I :s=ay#                                     / 
 5 6  7210970 1 1 m    11  in ^{pr\actice} it is "!sl\ightly the f/ouler# .   / 
 5 6  7210980 1 1 m    11  for ex^\ample#                                     / 
 5 6  7210990 1 1 m    11  ^when you 'have st\ags#                            / 
 5 6  7211000 1 1 m    11  ^dr\iven#                                          / 
 5 6  7211010 2 1 m    21  in *^in and 'out of the                            / 
 5 6  7211020 1 1 d    11  *((no ^/oh#))                                      / 
 5 6  7211030 1 1 d    11  ^n/o#*                                             / 
 5 6  7211040 1 1 d    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 5 6  7211050 1 1 d    20  it`s **((2 to 3 sylls))**                          / 
 5 6  7311010 1 1(m    11  s/ea#*                                             / 
 5 6  7311060 1 1 m    11  **the ^principles** 'are the s\ame#                / 
 5 6  7311070 1 1 m    11  now ^would you +agr\/ee then#                      / 
 5 6  7311080 1 1 m    11  that ^k/illing+ st\ags#                            / 
 5 6  7311090 1 1 m    11  by ^d/ogs#                                         / 
 5 6  7311100 1 1 m    11  is the ^most !merciful **'way of d\oing it#**      / 
 5 6  7311110 1 1 b    11  +^((oh)) 'yes \obviously#+                         / 
 5 6  7311120 1 1 b    11  **^n=o#                                            / 
 5 6  7311130 1 2 b    13  ^I`m we`re ^not** we`re ^here to dis'cuss          / 
 5 6  7311130 1 1 b    13  f\oxhunting#                                       / 
 5 6  7311140 1 1 b    20  *((4 to 5 sylls s\yll))*                           / 
 5 6  7311150 1 2 m    11  *I ^know you`re 'very* 'anxious ":n\ot to dis'cuss / 
 5 6  7311150 1 1 m    11  **(('stags ton/ight))#**                           / 
 5 6  7311160 1 1 d    11  **^n\o#                                            / 
 5 6  7311170 1 1 d    11  but it ^isn`t** +a 'question of th\at#+            / 
 5 6  7411180 1 2 b    11  +((it`s ^simply 'coming 'back to that we`re))+ !not/ 
 5 6  7411180 1 1 b    11  !c\ompetent to 'judge# -                           / 
 5 6  7411190 1 1 b    11  ^stag'hunting *((is)) a 'different m\atter#*       / 
 5 6  7411200 1 1 m    11  *but you ^\are#                                    / 
 5 6  7411210 1 1 m    11  a ^member* of the 'blood 'sports soc/iety#         / 
 5 6  7411220 1 1 m    11  ^are you n/ot#                                     / 
 5 6  7411230 1 1 b    11  ^n/o# .                                            / 
 5 6  7411240 1 1 b    11  I`m ^n/ot# -                                       / 
 5 6  7411250 1 1 b    11  ((I)) ^never *!h\eard of the 'thing#*              / 
 5 6  7411260 1 1 m    11  *I ^thought* you w/\ere#                           / 
 5 6  7411270 1 1 b    11  ^n/\o#                                             / 
 5 6  7411280 1 1 b    11  **^n\o#                                            / 
 5 6  7411290 1 1 b    11  ^n\o#**                                            / 
 5 6  7411300 1 1 m    11  **oh I`m ^so s\orry#**                             / 
 5 6  7411310 1 1 m    11  the ^f\ield [spo]# .                               / 
 5 6  7411320 1 1 m    11  but [@] ^Roger *Br\aben#                           / 
 5 6  7411330 1 1 m    11  in his ((^syll !2 s\ylls#))                        / 
 5 6  7411340 1 1 m    11  ^says we !mustn`t !c\all it#                       / 
 5 6  7511350 1 1 m    11  ((the)) ^bl\ood 'sports soc/iety#*                 / 
 5 6  7511360 1 1 b    11  *^n\ow#                                            / 
 5 6  7511370 1 1 b    11  ((4 sylls)) . I ^want to 'ask 'Mr D\anby#*         / 
 5 6  7511380 2 1 b    21  a ^few - qu\estions                                / 
 5 6  7511390 1 1 m    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 5 6  7511400 1 1 m    11  ^d\o#                                              / 
 5 6  7511380 1 1(b    11  **{^pl\ease#}#**                                   / 
 5 6  7511410 1 1 b    11  we`ve ^now ((got it)) s\ettled {^n\ow#}#           / 
 5 6  7511420 1 1 b    11  ^h\aven`t we#                                      / 
 5 6  7511430 1 1 b    11  that we`ve . as I ^s\/ay#                          / 
 5 6  7511440 1 1 b    11  ^got to . :put an 'end to the f\ox# -              / 
 5 6  7511450 1 1 d    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 7   1   10 1 1 a    11  ^good \evening# .                                  / 
 5 7   1   20 1 1 a    11  now to^n=ight#                                     / 
 5 7   1   30 1 1 a    11  our ^guests are 'Barbara :H\ardy#                  / 
 5 7   1   40 1 1 a    11  who is pro^fessor of !\English#                    / 
 5 7   1   50 1 1 a    11  at ^Royal 'Holloway !C/ollege# .                   / 
 5 7   1   60 1 1 a    11  ^Stuart H/\all#                                    / 
 5 7   1   70 1 1 a    11  who is a ^l=ecturer#                               / 
 5 7   1   80 1 2 a    11  at the ^centre for con:temporary :cultural         / 
 5 7   1   80 1 1 a    11  !st\udies#                                         / 
 5 7   1   90 1 1 a    11  at the ^Uni'versity of B/\irmingham#               / 
 5 7   1  100 1 1 a    11  is ^th/at 'right# -                                / 
 5 7   1  110 1 1 a    11  ^what a 'title that \is# .                         / 
 5 7   1  120 1 1 a    11  and ^Fred Fl\ower#                                 / 
 5 7   1  130 1 1 a    11  ^who is !n\ew to our 'programme#                   / 
 5 7   1  140 1 1 a    11  who is ^principal of !Kingsway C\ollege# .         / 
 5 7   1  150 1 1 a    11  for ^f\urther educ/ation#                          / 
 5 7   1  160 1 2 a    11  ^which I((`d)) 'gather is !n\ot in 'Kingsway in    / 
 5 7   1  160 1 1 a    11  L=ondon#                                           / 
 5 7   1  170 1 1 a    11  but is ^somewhere 'near 'King`s !!Cr\oss# -        / 
 5 7   1  180 1 1 a    11  per^haps 'so he can 'make a :rapid es!c\ape# -     / 
 5 7   1  190 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - it ^struck 'me ton\ight#                   / 
 5 7   1  200 1 1 a    11  ^after the 'death of 'Bertrand :R\ussell#          / 
 5 7   1  210 1 1 a    11  that I would ^r\eally 'like us to th/ink#          / 
 5 7   1  220 1 2 a    11  about a ^problem that has :worried 'me for a :long / 
 5 7   1  220 1 1 a    11  t\ime# -                                           / 
 5 7   2  230 1 1 a    11  ^Russell is re'ported to have "s\aid# .            / 
 5 7   2  240 1 1 a    11  ^that he was !never the 'same ag\ain#              / 
 5 7   2  250 1 1 a    11  ^intel!l\ectually#                                 / 
 5 7   2  260 1 2 a    11  ^after he 'wrote that 'great 'book with            / 
 5 7   2  260 1 1 a    11  :Wh\itehead#                                       / 
 5 7   2  270 1 2 a    11  the ^kind of 'journey that he :went on in his      / 
 5 7   2  270 1 1 a    11  :m\ind#                                            / 
 5 7   2  280 1 1 a    11  ^th\en#                                            / 
 5 7   2  290 1 1 a    11  was the ^sort of 'journey which :l\eaves you# -    / 
 5 7   2  300 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - if not "^m\utilated#                       / 
 5 7   2  310 1 1 a    11  at ^least 'just sort of !t\ired#                   / 
 5 7   2  320 1 1 a    11  for^ever \after#                                   / 
 5 7   2  330 1 1 a    11  and ^I`ve ((`ve)) 'often :w\ondered#               / 
 5 7   2  340 1 1 a    11  and ^it`s a :great !c\onflict#                     / 
 5 7   2  350 1 1 a    11  ^p\ersonally#                                      / 
 5 7   2  360 1 1 a    11  between ^what I en!joy 'doing mys\elf#             / 
 5 7   2  370 1 1 a    11  and ^what I 'do for a !l\iving# .                  / 
 5 7   2  380 1 1 a    11  ^whether 'underst\anding#                          / 
 5 7   2  390 1 1 a    11  is ^s\omething that# .                             / 
 5 7   2  400 1 1 a    11  ^really be'longs 'only to yours\elf#               / 
 5 7   3  410 1 2 a    11  that if you ^r\eally 'want to under{^st\and        / 
 5 7   3  410 1 1 a    11  'something#}#                                      / 
 5 7   3  420 1 1 a    11  it`s a ^journey 'on your \own# .                   / 
 5 7   3  430 1 1 a    11  and the ^satisf\action#                            / 
 5 7   3  440 1 1 a    11  is a ^satisf\action#                               / 
 5 7   3  450 1 1 a    11  that you ^can`t sh\are#                            / 
 5 7   3  460 1 1 a    11  with ^anyone /else#                                / 
 5 7   3  470 1 1 a    11  and the ^under!st\anding# -                        / 
 5 7   3  480 1 2 a    11  is ^something that you 'can`t 'share with 'anyone  / 
 5 7   3  480 1 1 a    11  \else# .                                           / 
 5 7   3  490 1 1 a    11  and ^y/et#                                         / 
 5 7   3  500 1 1 a    11  if ^you`re . a j/ourna'list#                       / 
 5 7   3  510 1 1 a    11  and ^even . !!m\ore#                               / 
 5 7   3  520 1 1 a    11  if you`re a ^t\eacher of 'some k/ind#              / 
 5 7   3  530 1 1 a    11  ^your !under'standing !m\ust be sh/ared#           / 
 5 7   3  540 1 2 a    11  because ^that`s what you`re _in the _business      / 
 5 7   3  540 1 1 a    11  !f\or#                                             / 
 5 7   3  550 1 1 a    11  ^you en'deavour to 'underst/and 'something#        / 
 5 7   3  560 1 2 a    11  and ^then you 'want to . com!{m\unicate it} to     / 
 5 7   3  560 1 1 a    11  ":s\omebody# .                                     / 
 5 7   3  570 1 1 a    11  ^/and# -                                           / 
 5 7   3  580 1 1 a    11  ^this 'great !c\onflict#                           / 
 5 7   4  590 1 1 a    11  be^tween the tw/o# .                               / 
 5 7   4  600 1 1 a    11  ^is the :subject I :want to :put bef\ore you# .    / 
 5 7   4  610 1 1 a    11  [@:m] and ^as you`re the n/ewcomer 'Fred#          / 
 5 7   4  620 1 1 a    11  you can ^st\art# -                                 / 
 5 7   4  630 1 1 b    11  I ^th\ink you`ve#                                  / 
 5 7   4  640 1 1 b    11  ^summed 'up the di!l\emma#                         / 
 5 7   4  650 1 1 b    11  that ^most of us !f\ind our'selves /in# -          / 
 5 7   4  660 1 1 b    11  [@] ^\admirably#                                   / 
 5 7   4  670 1 1 b    11  the ^r\eal 'trouble 'is#                           / 
 5 7   4  680 1 1 b    11  that . ^we are :all u"!nique p/eople#              / 
 5 7   4  690 1 1 b    11  we ^have our !\own exp/erience#                    / 
 5 7   4  700 1 1 b    11  we ^work with!\in our ex:p/erience#                / 
 5 7   4  710 1 1 b    11  and ^that`s what we !kn\ow a'bout# .               / 
 5 7   4  720 1 1 b    11  ^we 'look !\outwards from 'ours/elves#             / 
 5 7   4  730 1 1 b    11  and we ^have to !d\eal with 'other :p/eople# .     / 
 5 7   4  740 1 1 b    11  ^and we can !\only comm/uni'cate#                  / 
 5 7   4  750 1 1 b    11  ^through the w/ay#                                 / 
 5 7   4  760 1 1 b    11  in ^which we "!sh\are {with ^other p\eople#}#      / 
 5 7   4  770 1 1 b    11  un^less we 'actually :share !f/eelings# -          / 
 5 7   5  780 1 1 b    11  ^and . ex!p\erience with 'other :p/eople#          / 
 5 7   5  790 1 1 b    11  we ^can`t com!m\unicate# .                         / 
 5 7   5  800 1 1 b    11  and it ^d\oes seem to :m/e#                        / 
 5 7   5  810 1 1 b    11  that in ^\one 'sense#                              / 
 5 7   5  820 1 1 b    11  [dhi:] . the ^big di!l\emma#                       / 
 5 7   5  830 1 1 b    11  of the ^present !t\ime#                            / 
 5 7   5  840 1 1 b    11  the ^d/ifference# -                                / 
 5 7   5  850 1 1 b    11  po^l/itically#                                     / 
 5 7   5  860 1 2 b    11  the ^difference [@ - @:] in !terms of . !r\acial   / 
 5 7   5  860 1 1 b    11  'differences#                                      / 
 5 7   5  870 1 1 b    11  and ^s\o on#                                       / 
 5 7   5  880 1 1 b    11  ^is be'cause we !c\an`t sh/are#                    / 
 5 7   5  890 1 1 b    11  that ^p\ersonal exp/erience#                       / 
 5 7   5  900 1 1 b    11  that ^you`ve been !t\alking a'bout#                / 
 5 7   5  910 1 1 c    11  and I sup^pose !\also be'cause# -                  / 
 5 7   5  920 1 1 c    11  "^\at this m/oment#                                / 
 5 7   5  930 1 2 c    11  there`s [dhi:] ^maximum 'oppor:tunity !f\or        / 
 5 7   5  930 1 1 c    11  'sharing#                                          / 
 5 7   5  940 1 1 c    11  [?] we ^h\ave [dhi:]# .                            / 
 5 7   5  950 1 1 c    11  the ^m\edia#                                       / 
 5 7   5  960 1 1 c    11  ^f\or com'muni'cation#                             / 
 5 7   5  970 1 1 c    12  ^and [dhi:] the ^d\anger#                          / 
 5 7   5  980 1 2 c    11  which . ^seems to be . :felt very !s\ensitively I  / 
 5 7   5  980 1 1 c    11  _think# .                                          / 
 5 7   6  990 1 1 c    11  ^if you`re a !!t\eacher {in par^t\icular#}# .      / 
 5 7   6 1000 1 2 c    11  ^is 'that . the !sharing should be'come            / 
 5 7   6 1000 1 1 c    11  !st\ereotyped# .                                   / 
 5 7   6 1010 1 2 c    11  that [i] in^stead of com'muni'cating :what you     / 
 5 7   6 1010 1 1 c    11  'call . the u!n\iqueness# .                        / 
 5 7   6 1020 1 1 c    11  we com^muni'cate :s\omething# .                    / 
 5 7   6 1030 1 1 c    11  ^that is 'so !g\eneralized#                        / 
 5 7   6 1040 1 1 c    11  ^that !r\eally#                                    / 
 5 7   6 1050 1 1 c    11  there`s ^part of :y\ou#                            / 
 5 7   6 1060 1 1 c    11  ^that`s [?] !g\one on the j/ourney#                / 
 5 7   6 1070 1 1 c    11  or ^g\oing {on the ^j\ourney#}# .                  / 
 5 7   6 1080 1 1 c    11  that`s ^not a!v\ailable#                           / 
 5 7   6 1090 1 1 c    11  in the ^\actual#                                   / 
 5 7   6 1100 1 1 c    11  ^process of com'muni!c\ation#                      / 
 5 7   6 1110 1 1 a    11  well ^St\uart#                                     / 
 5 7   6 1120 1 1 a    11  d`you ^think !r\eally 'though#                     / 
 5 7   6 1130 1 1 a    11  ^\all you can 'share#                              / 
 5 7   6 1140 1 1 a    11  is the "^m\ap {^rather than the j\ourney#}# -      / 
 5 7   7 1150 1 1 d    11  ^w\ell [@m]#                                       / 
 5 7   7 1160 1 1 d    11  I`m ^not s\ure about 'that#                        / 
 5 7   7 1170 1 1 d    11  I "^th\ink it [@]#                                 / 
 5 7   7 1180 1 2 d    11  it ^has a :lot to 'do with 'what the :nature of the/ 
 5 7   7 1180 1 1 d    11  :journey !\is#                                     / 
 5 7   7 1190 1 1 d    11  I ^mean in !R\ussell`s 'case#                      / 
 5 7   7 1200 1 1 d    11  [@] you know ^that 'early b\ook#                   / 
 5 7   7 1210 1 1 d    11  is a ^v\ery {^{c\omplicated} \one#}#               / 
 5 7   7 1220 1 1 d    11  [wi] I ^mean ((even \I))#                          / 
 5 7   7 1230 1 1 d    11  I ^couldn`t even !sum it !\up#                     / 
 5 7   7 1240 1 2 d    11  ((as it were)) I ^couldn`t even 'give you the .    / 
 5 7   7 1240 1 1 d    11  'vague !\outlines#                                 / 
 5 7   7 1250 1 1 d    11  of ^what the 'map !w\as . as *it 'were#            / 
 5 7   7 1260 2 1 d    21  and I`d*                                           / 
 5 7   7 1270 1 1 c    20  *((2 to 3 sylls))* **((1 syll))**                  / 
 5 7   7 1260 1 2(d    11  and I`d . and **I** ^don`t know 'what sort of      / 
 5 7   7 1260 1 1(d    11  :impact it !h\ad#                                  / 
 5 7   7 1280 1 1 d    11  on ^his 'own . *'later* !l\ife#                    / 
 5 7   8 1290 1 1 a    11  *as a* ^tiny little qu\iz 'game#                   / 
 5 7   8 1300 1 1 a    11  ^just for a m\oment#                               / 
 5 7   8 1310 1 1 a    11  ^have !any of us :actually r\ead# .                / 
 5 7   8 1320 1 1 d    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 7   8 1330 1 1(a    11  Prin^c\ipia#                                       / 
 5 7   8 1340 2 1 a    22  [mae*th@^m\aet@]*                                  / 
 5 7   8 1350 1 1 d    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 7   8 1360 1 1 b    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 7   8 1340 1 1(a    12  well ^{I had a :g\o} at :C\ambridge#               / 
 5 7   8 1370 1 1 a    11  and I ^got about !half-way :thr\ough#              / 
 5 7   8 1380 1 1 a    11  and ^gave up ex:h\austed#                          / 
 5 7   8 1390 1 1 a    11  and un^\able to# .                                 / 
 5 7   8 1400 1 1 a    11  I mean ^t\otally {and ^\utterly#}# .               / 
 5 7   8 1410 1 1 a    11  be^w\ildered# -                                    / 
 5 7   8 1420 1 1 d    11  well ^n\ow you 'see#                               / 
 5 7   8 1430 1 1 d    11  I ^th\ink I 'mean#                                 / 
 5 7   8 1440 1 2 d    11  ^if the 'explo'ration 'is on ":th\at kind of       / 
 5 7   8 1440 1 1 d    11  {^c\omplex#}#                                      / 
 5 7   9 1450 1 2 d    11  ^{philo!s\ophical} {l\ogical} {'mathem\atical}     / 
 5 7   9 1450 1 1 d    11  :l\evel# -                                         / 
 5 7   9 1460 1 1 d    11  I`m ^s\ure it`s 'true#                             / 
 5 7   9 1470 1 1 d    11  that in ^\any 'case#                               / 
 5 7   9 1480 1 2 d    12  ^v\ery [f dh@] there are ^very few :people to :whom/ 
 5 7   9 1480 1 1 d    12  you would 'even be !\able to com'municate it#      / 
 5 7   9 1490 1 1 d    11  ^even if :that`s what you !w\anted to 'do#         / 
 5 7   9 1500 1 1 d    11  so the ^journey !\is {^very l\onely#}# -           / 
 5 7   9 1510 1 1 d    12  ^but [@:] I ^wonder 'whether it`s tr\ue#           / 
 5 7   9 1520 1 1 d    11  a^bout a !lot of . :\other 'kinds of {^w\ork#}#    / 
 5 7   9 1530 1 1 d    11  that the ^journey is !quite as indi:v\idual#       / 
 5 7   9 1540 1 1 d    11  as ^people have been !s\aying#                     / 
 5 7   9 1550 1 2 d    12  ((I)) mean ^may((be)) per^haps I`m just . :either  / 
 5 7   9 1550 1 1 d    12  !l\ucky#                                           / 
 5 7   9 1560 1 2 d    12  ^or ((sort of)) ^not very 'good at                 / 
 5 7   9 1560 1 1 d    12  'self-explo!r\ation#                               / 
 5 7   9 1570 1 2 d    11  but - in the ^work that I`ve been :{d\oing with}   / 
 5 7   9 1570 1 1 d    11  gr\aduate 'students#                               / 
 5 7  10 1580 1 1 d    11  in the ^last 'two or three :y\ears#                / 
 5 7  10 1590 1 1 d    11  I ^find it !almost im!p\ossible#                   / 
 5 7  10 1600 1 1 d    12  to ^s\eparate - my ^{\own} - 'explor\ations#       / 
 5 7  10 1610 1 1 d    11  ^fr/om#                                            / 
 5 7  10 1620 1 1 d    11  the ^work that we`re 'doing to:g\ether# .          / 
 5 7  10 1630 1 1 ?    11  *^[\mm]#*                                          / 
 5 7  10 1640 1 2(d    11  *I mean* that`s "^not to 'say that they`re         / 
 5 7  10 1640 1 1(d    11  _thinking as !\I 'do#                              / 
 5 7  10 1650 1 1 d    11  or ^vice !v\ersa# -                                / 
 5 7  10 1660 1 1 d    11  but it`s ^so 'closely 'tied tog/ether#             / 
 5 7  10 1670 1 1 d    11  and it`s ^so 'closely inv/olved#                   / 
 5 7  10 1680 1 1 d    11  with ^trying 'to - com'municate what \I`ve 'been#  / 
 5 7  10 1690 1 1 d    11  ^reading or 'thinking a'bout to :th/em#            / 
 5 7  10 1700 1 1 d    11  and ^try to 'get 'things !b\ack# .                 / 
 5 7  10 1710 1 2 d    12  that I ^find ((them)) !much . [@] I ^would w\ant to/ 
 5 7  10 1710 1 1 d    12  de_scribe it#                                      / 
 5 7  11 1720 1 2 d    11  in a ^much l\ess indi'vidual 'personal .           / 
 5 7  11 1720 1 1 d    11  :{^s\earch#}#                                      / 
 5 7  11 1730 1 1 d    11  ^k\inds of 'terms#                                 / 
 5 7  11 1740 1 2 d    11  from the ^way 'which 'other 'people have been      / 
 5 7  11 1740 1 1 d    11  !t\alking about *it*#                              / 
 5 7  11 1750 1 2 b    12  *^yeah* but 'you`ve ^you and your :{st\udents} are / 
 5 7  11 1750 1 1 b    12  "sh\aring#                                         / 
 5 7  11 1760 1 1 b    11  a ^great 'deal al!r\eady#                          / 
 5 7  11 1770 1 1 b    11  [@?@m] ^y\ou are in f/act {if you ^l/ike#}#        / 
 5 7  11 1780 1 1 b    11  en^gaged on a a "c\ommon#                          / 
 5 7  11 1790 1 1 b    11  [@:] ^explor/ation#                                / 
 5 7  11 1800 1 1 b    11  but you al^ready :have a !great 'deal in :c\ommon# / 
 5 7  11 1810 1 1 b    11  which en^\ables _you to#                           / 
 5 7  11 1820 1 1 b    11  to com^m\unicate . {with ^\one an'other#}# .       / 
 5 7  11 1830 1 1 b    11  ^what 'bothers m\/e#                               / 
 5 7  11 1840 1 1 b    11  ^is . the !bigger :s\ocial#                        / 
 5 7  11 1850 1 1 b    12  and ^cultural [difr @] ^d\istances#                / 
 5 7  11 1860 1 1 b    11  which ^separate !\out p/eople#                     / 
 5 7  11 1870 1 1 b    11  and pre^v\ent#                                     / 
 5 7  12 1880 1 1 b    11  ^that 'kind of ex!ch\ange# .                       / 
 5 7  12 1890 1 1 b    11  [@m] ^I`ve h\eard#                                 / 
 5 7  12 1900 1 1 b    11  in the ^l/ast#                                     / 
 5 7  12 1910 1 1 b    11  four ^y\ears#                                      / 
 5 7  12 1920 1 1 b    11  some ^five . 'ministers of 'cabinet r/ank#         / 
 5 7  12 1930 1 1 b    11  ^t/alking#                                         / 
 5 7  12 1940 1 1 b    11  to "^rank and _file 'people in the :Labour P\arty# / 
 5 7  12 1950 1 1 b    11  at ^various :m\eetings#                            / 
 5 7  12 1960 1 1 b    11  ^where - [@m ?] !real 'disagr\eements#             / 
 5 7  12 1970 1 1 b    11  have ^br\oken 'out#                                / 
 5 7  12 1980 1 1 b    11  be^tw\een#                                         / 
 5 7  12 1990 1 1 b    11  the ^pl\atform#                                    / 
 5 7  12 2000 1 1 b    11  and the ^p\eople#                                  / 
 5 7  12 2010 1 1 b    11  on the ^fl\/oor# -                                 / 
 5 7  12 2020 1 2 b    11  and the ^disa'greement has "!not only been :matters/ 
 5 7  12 2020 1 1 b    11  of !s\ubstance#                                    / 
 5 7  12 2030 1 1 b    11  but ^very l/argely be'cause# -                     / 
 5 7  12 2040 1 1 b    11  [@] the ^platform 'hasn`t under:st\ood#            / 
 5 7  12 2050 1 1 b    11  what the ^people on the !gr\ound are s/aying# .    / 
 5 7  12 2060 1 2 b    11  ^and the !{people on the gr\ound} simply !h\aven`t / 
 5 7  12 2060 1 1 b    11  under'stood#                                       / 
 5 7  12 2070 1 1 b    11  ^what the !pl\atform are 'saying#                  / 
 5 7  13 2080 1 1 b    11  ^so - the !argument has b/een#                     / 
 5 7  13 2090 1 1 b    11  ^one of !words and !f\eelings#                     / 
 5 7  13 2100 1 1 b    11  ^and that the "!r\eal#                             / 
 5 7  13 2110 1 1 b    11  "^p\oints of d/ifference#                          / 
 5 7  13 2120 1 1 b    11  ^haven`t even had a 'chance to e!m\erge#           / 
 5 7  13 2130 1 1 a    11  ^can we ex'amine 'this then . 'more c\arefully# -  / 
 5 7  13 2140 1 1 a    11  a ^m/an [@] {of ^cabinet r/ank#}#                  / 
 5 7  13 2150 1 2 a    11  is ^standing on a 'platform and is 'speaking to an / 
 5 7  13 2150 1 1 a    11  :\audience# .                                      / 
 5 7  13 2160 1 1 a    12  and ^they are ^th\ey you _say#                     / 
 5 7  13 2170 1 1 a    11  are "^not 'under'standing 'what he`s :s\aying#     / 
 5 7  13 2180 1 2 a    11  and you ^said it`s a _difference of !feeling 'and  / 
 5 7  13 2180 1 1 a    11  of :w\ords#                                        / 
 5 7  13 2190 1 2 a    11  we`ll ^take `em 'one at a 'time let`s 'take the    / 
 5 7  13 2190 1 1 a    11  !words f\irst# .                                   / 
 5 7  13 2200 1 1 a    11  ^is it 'simply !f\irst of 'all#                    / 
 5 7  13 2210 1 1 a    11  that the ^kind of vo'cabulary that he \/uses# .    / 
 5 7  14 2220 1 1 a    11  to ex^press his th/oughts#                         / 
 5 7  14 2230 1 1 a    11  is a vo^c\/abulary#                                / 
 5 7  14 2240 1 1 a    11  that is "^\/alien# .                               / 
 5 7  14 2250 1 1 a    11  to his ^\audience# -                               / 
 5 7  14 2260 1 1 b    11  it`s ^partly a 'question of vo:c\/abulary#         / 
 5 7  14 2270 1 1 b    11  it`s ^partly !\/also#                              / 
 5 7  14 2280 1 1 b    11  a ^question of !all the . un:sp\oken c/ues#        / 
 5 7  14 2290 1 1 b    11  which ^he is r\/adiating#                          / 
 5 7  14 2300 1 1 b    11  when he ^sp\eaks# -                                / 
 5 7  14 2310 1 1 b    11  ^more im!!p\ortant#                                / 
 5 7  14 2320 1 1 b    11  it`s ^his re[?]{\action} to the :\audience#        / 
 5 7  14 2330 1 1 b    11  ^when a :member of the !audience 'stands :\up#     / 
 5 7  14 2340 1 1 b    11  to ^question :something he`s !s\aid# - -           / 
 5 7  14 2350 1 1 b    11  in^stead of s\eeing#                               / 
 5 7  14 2360 1 1 b    11  that ^that p\erson#                                / 
 5 7  14 2370 1 1 b    11  ^is [@m] . :\indicating#                           / 
 5 7  14 2380 1 1 b    11  a "^misunderst\anding#                             / 
 5 7  14 2390 1 1 b    11  ^through . "!n\on-'verbal c/ues#                   / 
 5 7  14 2400 1 2 b    11  [dhi:] ^way in 'which he . !\utters 'certain       / 
 5 7  14 2400 1 1 b    11  th/ings# -                                         / 
 5 7  14 2410 1 1 b    11  [@] the ^person on the :pl\atform#                 / 
 5 7  15 2420 1 1 b    11  "^\used 'to# .                                     / 
 5 7  15 2430 1 2 b    11  [@:] a ^fairly intel:lectual :l\evel of            / 
 5 7  15 2430 1 1 b    11  'convers/ation#                                    / 
 5 7  15 2440 1 1 b    11  ^will !take the :words !as 'they :c\ome#           / 
 5 7  15 2450 1 1 b    11  ^from the 'person 'on the fl\oor#                  / 
 5 7  15 2460 1 1 b    11  and "^d\eal with _them#                            / 
 5 7  15 2470 1 1 b    11  as ^if he were d/ealing with#                      / 
 5 7  15 2480 1 1 b    11  ((a)) ^person of his :own !c\alibre# -             / 
 5 7  15 2490 1 1 a    11  I`m ^not 'sure that I :under!st\and 'that#         / 
 5 7  15 2500 1 1 a    11  do ^y/ou# .                                        / 
 5 7  15 2510 1 1 c    11  ^w\ell# -                                          / 
 5 7  15 2520 1 1 c    11  it ^seems to 'me that :p\artly#                    / 
 5 7  15 2530 1 1 c    11  it`s - ^very d\ifferent#                           / 
 5 7  15 2540 1 1 c    11  from ^St\uart`s ex'ample {for ^\instance#}#        / 
 5 7  15 2550 1 2 c    11  which was an ex^ample from !gr\aduate              / 
 5 7  15 2550 1 1 c    11  {^t\eaching#}# .                                   / 
 5 7  15 2560 1 1 c    11  ^where you \are# .                                 / 
 5 7  15 2570 1 1 c    11  ^c\ertainly# .                                     / 
 5 7  15 2580 1 1 c    11  ^t\alking to _people# .                            / 
 5 7  15 2590 1 1 c    11  who ^=are# .                                       / 
 5 7  16 2600 1 2 c    11  ^very !{{l\ike your'self} in m\ind} and in         / 
 5 7  16 2600 1 1 c    11  intel:lectual ex:p\erience#                        / 
 5 7  16 2610 1 2 c    12  now ^this seems to 'me to be !p\artly perhaps - a ./ 
 5 7  16 2610 1 1 c    12  ^qu\estion of# .                                   / 
 5 7  16 2620 1 1 c    11  (([sp])) ^talking to :str\angers#                  / 
 5 7  16 2630 1 1 c    11  but it`s "^\also {^talking to :str\angers#}# .     / 
 5 7  16 2640 1 1 c    11  pre^s\umably# .                                    / 
 5 7  16 2650 1 1 c    11  on a very ^urgent !m\atter#                        / 
 5 7  16 2660 1 1 c    11  so that the com^muni!c\ation#                      / 
 5 7  16 2670 1 1 c    11  ^is 'both . !p\ublic#                              / 
 5 7  16 2680 1 1 c    11  ^\and 'yet# .                                      / 
 5 7  16 2690 1 1 c    11  ^full of !f\eeling as you 'say#                    / 
 5 7  16 2700 1 1 c    11  it`s it`s ^desperately im!p\ortant#                / 
 5 7  16 2710 1 1 c    11  ^\and#                                             / 
 5 7  16 2720 1 2 c    11  these ^two 'things 'seem per:haps to 'be . :very   / 
 5 7  16 2720 1 1 c    11  un!c\omfortably#                                   / 
 5 7  16 2730 1 1 c    11  per^haps al:most im:possibly com!b\ined# .         / 
 5 7  16 2740 1 2 a    11  ^that 'makes it 'all 'sound as 'though it`s a :kind/ 
 5 7  16 2740 1 1 a    11  of !t\ennis 'club#                                 / 
 5 7  17 2750 1 1 a    11  you ^kn\ow#                                        / 
 5 7  17 2760 1 1 a    11  [@] ^((Stuart [@ @ b])) 'lives in a t\ennis 'club# / 
 5 7  17 2770 1 1 a    11  where they ^all 'underst\and#                      / 
 5 7  17 2780 1 1 a    11  they ^all 'turn 'up in the :right g\ear# .         / 
 5 7  17 2790 1 1 a    11  ^intell\ectually as it _were#                      / 
 5 7  17 2800 1 1 a    11  and they ^pat the 'ball :backwards and f\orwards#  / 
 5 7  17 2810 1 1 a    11  and they`re ^all 'quite h\appy# .                  / 
 5 7  17 2820 1 2 a    11  [@:m] - . but ^if you 'go :\out of the 'tennis     / 
 5 7  17 2820 1 1 a    11  cl/ub#                                             / 
 5 7  17 2830 1 1 a    11  and ^move into the 'kind of !r\ough-'neck# .       / 
 5 7  17 2840 1 1 a    11  ^football 'ground round the !c\orner#              / 
 5 7  17 2850 1 1 a    11  which ^in a s\ense#                                / 
 5 7  17 2860 1 1 a    11  is ^what the !m\inister is d/oing#                 / 
 5 7  17 2870 1 1 a    11  then it`s (([j@])) you ^kn/ow#                     / 
 5 7  17 2880 1 1 a    11  it`s a ^different g\ame#                           / 
 5 7  17 2890 1 1 a    11  and it [@ ju] you ^can`t 'get to!g\ether# .        / 
 5 7  17 2900 1 2 a    11  which ^makes it 'sound 'almost 'like a 'kind of    / 
 5 7  17 2900 1 1 a    11  ":cl\ass 'thing# -                                 / 
 5 7  17 2910 1 1 d    11  well ((I)) I ^don`t 'think it`s a cl\ass 'thing#   / 
 5 7  18 2920 1 1 d    12  I ^think it`s a it`s ((had)) ^s\omething to 'do#   / 
 5 7  18 2930 1 2 d    11  with the ^different :kind of !{f\unctional}        / 
 5 7  18 2930 1 1 d    11  p\urpose#                                          / 
 5 7  18 2940 1 1 d    11  [@] for ^which one`s !\using the 'language#        / 
 5 7  18 2950 2 1 d    21  *((I mean))*                                       / 
 5 7  18 2960 1 1 ?    11  *^[\mm]#*                                          / 
 5 7  18 2970 1 1 c    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 7  18 2950 1 1(d    11  **you ^start**ed 'off with :R\ussell# *-*          / 
 5 7  18 2980 1 1 a    11  *^y/es#*                                           / 
 5 7  18 2990 1 1 ?    11  *^[\mhm]#*                                         / 
 5 7  18 3000 1 2(d    13  ^that [@ ?] I ^mean . ^self-'explo'ration and      / 
 5 7  18 3000 1 1(d    13  :explo'ration in a !small gr\oup#                  / 
 5 7  18 3010 1 1 d    11  at "^that 'level of compl\exity and _so on#        / 
 5 7  18 3020 1 2 d    11  is "^bound ((to)) it :seems to 'me to :generate    / 
 5 7  18 3020 1 1 d    11  !special :l\anguages#                              / 
 5 7  19 3030 1 1 d    12  I ^mean . you just "^need 'short:hand t\erms#      / 
 5 7  19 3040 1 2 d    11  you (([@n])) you ^don`t have to ex!plain the _basic/ 
 5 7  19 3040 1 1 d    11  _c/oncepts#                                        / 
 5 7  19 3050 1 2 d    11  ^or in!deed a 'whole [hist] :history of :thought   / 
 5 7  19 3050 1 1 d    11  *be:*h/ind them#                                   / 
 5 7  19 3060 2 1 d    21  you ^simply                                        / 
 5 7  19 3070 1 1 ?    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 7  19 3060 1 1(d    11  want to !say to the 'other m/an#                   / 
 5 7  19 3080 1 1 d    11  well ^I`_m I`_m 'I`m in !th\is 'game# *-*          / 
 5 7  19 3090 1 1 ?    11  *^[mh\m]#*                                         / 
 5 7  19 3100 1 2(d    11  and "^that seems to me to 'generate ((a)) :certain / 
 5 7  19 3100 1 1(d    11  number of :cl\osed l/anguages#                     / 
 5 7  19 3110 1 1 d    11  which - [@:m] are ^n\ecessary#                     / 
 5 7  19 3120 1 2 d    11  for ^{people who are t\alking} within the 'same    / 
 5 7  19 3120 1 1 d    11  sort of :\universe#                                / 
 5 7  20 3130 1 1 ?    20  *[mm]*                                             / 
 5 7  20 3140 1 1(d    11  *now* ^when you 'get to :Fr\ed`s ex_ample#         / 
 5 7  20 3150 1 3 d    11  of the [pm] ^Cabinet :Minister and the :rank and   / 
 5 7  20 3150 1 2 d    11  file 'people at [l@:] at a at a [p] po:litical     / 
 5 7  20 3150 1 1 d    11  :party :m\eeting#                                  / 
 5 7  20 3160 1 1 d    11  you`re ^dealing with 'something :\else# .          / 
 5 7  20 3170 1 1 d    11  where the com^muni!c\ation of i'deas#              / 
 5 7  20 3180 1 1 d    11  is ^{m\ore im'portant} than :self-explor\ation# *-*/ 
 5 7  20 3190 1 1 ?    11  *^[/@h@]#*                                         / 
 5 7  20 3200 1 2(d    11  and "^there it 'seems to 'me that 'you`d you`d have/ 
 5 7  20 3200 1 1(d    11  !tw\o 'problems#                                   / 
 5 7  20 3210 1 1 d    11  ^\one _is#                                         / 
 5 7  20 3220 1 2 d    11  that [@] . you ^do !still h\ave {^private          / 
 5 7  20 3220 1 1 d    11  l\anguages#}#                                      / 
 5 7  20 3230 1 1 d    11  pro^f\essional _languages#                         / 
 5 7  20 3240 1 1 d    11  a ^language of [@] :p\arty exper_tise#             / 
 5 7  21 3250 1 1 d    11  or ^minis'terial 'expert\ise#                      / 
 5 7  21 3260 2 1 d    21  a kind of . ^{techno!l\ogical}                     / 
 5 7  21 3270 1 1 ?    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 7  21 3260 1 1(d    11  *[@:m]* [@:] 'bureau!cr\atic 'kind of 'language#   / 
 5 7  21 3280 1 1 d    11  for ^d\ealing with pr/oblems# .                    / 
 5 7  21 3290 1 2 d    11  ^and you :have the !f\eelings that 'Barbara was    / 
 5 7  21 3290 1 1 d    11  'talking a'bout#                                   / 
 5 7  21 3300 1 1 d    11  which is "^v\ery 'true#                            / 
 5 7  21 3310 1 1 d    11  of ^any 'kind of po_litical !g\athering# -         / 
 5 7  21 3320 1 1 d    11  now ^what I :w\onder#                              / 
 5 7  21 3330 1 2 d    11  is ^whether - the !problem in communi'cation .     / 
 5 7  21 3330 1 1 d    11  oc:c\urs#                                          / 
 5 7  21 3340 1 1 d    11  ^[ei] because 'people don`t :under!st\and#         / 
 5 7  21 3350 1 1 d    11  the ^actual !technical m\eanings#                  / 
 5 7  21 3360 1 2 d    11  ^and [@:?] sig'nificance of the !thing the         / 
 5 7  21 3360 1 1 d    11  'minister is !s\aying#                             / 
 5 7  21 3370 1 1 ?    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 5 7  22 3380 1 1(d    21  . or ^whether it is((n`t)) 'something more         / 
 5 7  22 3390 1 1 d    11  im!p\ortant than 'that ^\/I think#                 / 
 5 7  22 3400 1 2 d    12  ^which 'is 'that in !s\ome of ^s\ome of these      / 
 5 7  22 3400 1 1 d    12  _situations#                                       / 
 5 7  22 3410 1 2 d    11  the ^actual 'meanings of the 'words are            / 
 5 7  22 3410 1 1 d    11  !!sh\ifting# .                                     / 
 5 7  22 3420 1 1 d    11  ^that`s to say when !he says :pl\anning# -         / 
 5 7  22 3430 1 2 d    11  and the ^ordinary 'bloke on the :Labour Party      / 
 5 7  22 3430 1 1 d    11  'floor says pl/anning# .                           / 
 5 7  22 3440 1 1 d    11  they`re ^using the same w\/ords#                   / 
 5 7  22 3450 1 1 d    11  but they`re ^talking a'bout 'different :th\ings#   / 
 5 7  22 3460 1 1 ?    11  *^t\otally#*                                       / 
 5 7  22 3470 1 1(d    11  *and they`re* ^talking a'bout s=omething#          / 
 5 7  22 3480 1 1 d    11  which has a "^very powerful e:motional hist/orical#/ 
 5 7  22 3490 1 1 d    11  ^charge in the 'Labour !m\ovement# .               / 
 5 7  22 3500 1 1 d    12  ^so the [dis] the ^qu\arrel#                       / 
 5 7  23 3510 1 1 d    11  ^looks as 'if it`s a'bout w/\ords#                 / 
 5 7  23 3520 1 1 d    11  it`s ^not only a'bout . w/ords#                    / 
 5 7  23 3530 1 1 d    11  ^it`s about !f\eelings#                            / 
 5 7  23 3540 1 1 d    11  and ^it`s a'bout !h\istory#                        / 
 5 7  23 3550 1 1 d    11  ^it`s a'bout in:terpre'tation of a !wh=ole . [m ?]#/ 
 5 7  23 3560 1 1 d    11  I mean ^part of our po_litical !l/\ife#            / 
 5 7  23 3570 1 1 c    11  and there "^\is in 'fact {a ^class d\ifference#}#  / 
 5 7  23 3580 1 2 c    11  though per^haps 'not the 'kind of :cl\ass          / 
 5 7  23 3580 1 1 c    11  'difference#                                       / 
 5 7  23 3590 1 1 c    11  that ^Brian 'had in !m\ind#                        / 
 5 7  23 3600 1 1 c    12  I mean there ^\is a . a ^shift of :c\ontext#       / 
 5 7  23 3610 1 1 c    11  *a* ^shift of :r\egister#                          / 
 5 7  23 3620 1 1 a    11  *^s\ure#*                                          / 
 5 7  23 3630 1 1 a    11  ^s\ure# -                                          / 
 5 7  23 3640 1 1 c    12  but ^in in ^y\our ex'ample#                        / 
 5 7  23 3650 1 1 c    11  from ^t\eaching#                                   / 
 5 7  23 3660 1 1 c    11  ((I mean)) you "^d\o 'have# .                      / 
 5 7  23 3670 1 1 c    11  it ^seems to m\e#                                  / 
 5 7  23 3680 1 1 c    11  [dhi:] . the i^d\eal# .                            / 
 5 7  24 3690 1 1 c    11  oc^c\asion# .                                      / 
 5 7  24 3700 1 1 c    11  ^for com'muni!c\ation#                             / 
 5 7  24 3710 1 1 c    11  it`s it`s ^/open# .                                / 
 5 7  24 3720 1 1 c    11  and . ^\also {^\usually#}#                         / 
 5 7  24 3730 1 1 c    11  ^in graduate 'teaching :\anyway# .                 / 
 5 7  24 3740 1 1 c    11  [@?] it "^hasn`t got . any :{pr\essure} of :t\ime# / 
 5 7  24 3750 1 2 c    12  ((I mean)) ^in [?] un^fortunately in in :situations/ 
 5 7  24 3750 1 1 c    12  where you "!!h\ave po'litical {com^munic\ation#}# ./ 
 5 7  24 3760 1 2 c    11  you`ve ^not only 'got . [?e @] {an !urgent         / 
 5 7  24 3760 1 1 c    11  :qu\estion} being :\asked# .                       / 
 5 7  24 3770 1 1 c    11  per^haps 'asked per:su\/asively#                   / 
 5 7  24 3780 1 1 c    11  and an ^answer 'being !g\iven#                     / 
 5 7  24 3790 1 1 c    11  per^haps !\also# .                                 / 
 5 7  24 3800 1 1 c    11  per^su\asively#                                    / 
 5 7  24 3810 1 1 c    11  or ten^d\entiously# .                              / 
 5 7  24 3820 1 2 c    11  but you you`ve ^got a !very se'vere [?] :t\ime     / 
 5 7  24 3820 1 1 c    11  'limit# .                                          / 
 5 7  24 3830 1 1 c    11  I mean ^t\eaching#                                 / 
 5 7  24 3840 1 1 c    11  in the i^deal 'situ\ation# .                       / 
 5 7  24 3850 1 1 c    11  you`ve ^got !t\ime#                                / 
 5 7  25 3860 1 1 c    11  "^\all the 'time to 'say#                          / 
 5 7  25 3870 1 1 c    11  ^what do 'you m\ean#                               / 
 5 7  25 3880 1 1 c    11  ^what do :I m=ean#                                 / 
 5 7  25 3890 1 1 c    11  ^let`s 'go b\ack#                                  / 
 5 7  25 3900 1 1 c    11  ^let`s 'go b\ack# -                                / 
 5 7  25 3910 1 1 b    11  [ek] there`s ^something !m\ore than 'this 'though# / 
 5 7  25 3920 1 2 b    11  I ^think that . it is :n\ecessary {to              / 
 5 7  25 3920 1 1 b    11  es^t\ablish#}#                                     / 
 5 7  25 3930 1 2 b    11  a a ^common 'area of !!f\eeling {be^tween          / 
 5 7  25 3930 1 1 b    11  p\eople#}#                                         / 
 5 7  25 3940 1 1 b    11  be^c/ause# .                                       / 
 5 7  25 3950 1 1 b    11  ^if you be":g\in a com'munic/ation# .              / 
 5 7  25 3960 1 1 b    12  ^with - . [@ @ @] a ^b\arrier#                     / 
 5 7  25 3970 1 1 b    11  be^tween the !f\eelings of p/eople#                / 
 5 7  25 3980 1 1 b    11  ^if there 'is no 'common :sh\aring# .              / 
 5 7  25 3990 1 1 b    11  no ^matter "!wh\at you 'say# .                     / 
 5 7  25 4000 1 1 b    11  how^ever in:t\elligent it 'may b/e#                / 
 5 7  25 4010 1 1 b    11  is re^j\ected#                                     / 
 5 7  25 4020 1 1 b    11  by the ^other p/erson#                             / 
 5 7  25 4030 1 1 b    11  how^ever "!cl\ear it 'may 'be#                     / 
 5 7  25 4040 1 1 b    11  it will be re^j\ected#                             / 
 5 7  25 4050 1 1 b    11  by the ^other p/erson#                             / 
 5 7  25 4060 1 1 b    11  ^even if they 'under'stand the :w\ords#            / 
 5 7  25 4070 1 1 b    11  be^cause there is no c\/ommon#                     / 
 5 7  25 4080 1 1 b    11  ^{sh\aring} of :f\eeling# *-*                      / 
 5 7  25 4090 1 1 b    11  ^and . in the :same !w\/ay#                        / 
 5 7  26 4100 2 1 b    21  if ^there is                                       / 
 5 7  26 4110 1 1 ?    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 7  26 4100 1 1(b    11  no {c\ommon} :sharing of ex!p\erience# -           / 
 5 7  26 4120 1 1 b    11  ^what you s\/ay#                                   / 
 5 7  26 4130 1 1 b    11  as ^Stuart has 'just sugg\ested# .                 / 
 5 7  26 4140 1 1 b    11  ^may mean !something to :y\ou#                     / 
 5 7  26 4150 1 2 b    11  but ^something quite . 'totally :d\ifferent to     / 
 5 7  26 4150 1 1 b    11  {^somebody !\else#}# .                             / 
 5 7  26 4160 1 2 b    11  ^if you . [@:] dis'cuss . :cricket with an         / 
 5 7  26 4160 1 1 b    11  A:m\erican for /example# -                         / 
 5 7  26 4170 1 1 b    11  [@m] he ^won`t know 'what you`re !t\alking a'bout# / 
 5 7  26 4180 1 1 b    11  be^cause there is no c\/ommon#                     / 
 5 7  26 4190 1 1 b    11  ^area of ex!p\erience#                             / 
 5 7  26 4200 1 2 b    12  you "^[m@u] you ^may be 'quite . [@:?@?] :pl\easant/ 
 5 7  26 4200 1 1 b    12  with 'one an/other#                                / 
 5 7  27 4210 1 1 b    11  you ^may have a [@:?] a :friendly re:l\ationship# ./ 
 5 7  27 4220 1 1 b    11  ^but your !conver:s\ation about [@:] {^cr\icket#}# / 
 5 7  27 4230 1 2 b    11  or a^bout _what _Manchester U!n\ited did 'last     / 
 5 7  27 4230 1 1 b    11  w/eek#                                             / 
 5 7  27 4240 1 1 b    11  ^will 'be . quite :m\eaningless# .                 / 
 5 7  27 4250 1 1 d    11  ^I think 'this is :v\ery im_portant#               / 
 5 7  27 4260 1 1 d    11  and I "^th\ink it _operates# .                     / 
 5 7  27 4270 1 1 d    11  [? @] ^in sur!prising :c\ircumstances#             / 
 5 7  27 4280 1 1 d    11  I mean I ^think it`s "!tr\ue you 'see#             / 
 5 7  27 4290 1 2 d    11  ^even 'in . the _kind of :graduate 'seminar 'work I/ 
 5 7  27 4290 1 1 d    11  was 'talking about 'earlier :\on# -                / 
 5 7  27 4300 1 1 d    11  where ^after all the :talk !\is a'bout# .          / 
 5 7  27 4310 1 1 d    11  intel^lectual th=ings# .                           / 
 5 7  27 4320 1 1 d    11  ^people who`ve 'been to uni:v=ersity#              / 
 5 7  27 4330 1 1 d    11  who`re ^interested in the _same r=ange#            / 
 5 7  27 4340 1 1 d    11  of ^t\opics#                                       / 
 5 7  28 4350 1 1 d    11  and ^s\o on# -                                     / 
 5 7  28 4360 1 1 d    11  ^when in a 'seminar we 'strike a :d\eadlock# -     / 
 5 7  28 4370 1 1 d    11  ^almost \always it`s a 'deadlock of f/eeling# -    / 
 5 7  28 4380 1 1 d    11  ^and ex_perience and :v\alues#                     / 
 5 7  28 4390 1 2 d    11  ^rather than a 'deadlock of 'actual intel:lectual  / 
 5 7  28 4390 1 1 d    11  'concepts or :m\eanings# .                         / 
 5 7  28 4400 1 2 d    11  and we ^have to 'find !some 'way of 'actually      / 
 5 7  28 4400 1 1 d    11  :g\oing 'through# .                                / 
 5 7  28 4410 1 1 d    11  "^what \is it#                                     / 
 5 7  28 4420 2 1 d    21  ((kind of)) *-*                                    / 
 5 7  28 4430 1 1 ?    11  *^th\at`s 'true#*                                  / 
 5 7  28 4420 1 1(d    11  ^locking 'off a :certain 'number of p/eople#       / 
 5 7  28 4440 1 1 d    11  ^from kind of . !fully 'entering 'this disc\ussion#/ 
 5 7  28 4450 1 1 d    11  ((it`s)) a ^deadlock of 'feeling and exp\erience#  / 
 5 7  28 4460 1 1 d    11  ^r\ather than 'of#                                 / 
 5 7  28 4470 1 1 d    11  "^strictly sp\eaking#                              / 
 5 7  28 4480 1 1 d    11  the ^conno'tations of the :w\ords# -               / 
 5 7  28 4490 1 1 d    11  *^but . I m=ean#*                                  / 
 5 7  29 4500 1 1 ?    20  *((2 to 3 sylls))*                                 / 
 5 7  29 4510 1 3(d    14  I ^want((ed)) to [au] ^come [m] ^put the 'question / 
 5 7  29 4510 1 2(d    14  'back to :y\ou you 'see 'Brian . ^if 'Barbara is   / 
 5 7  29 4510 1 1(d    14  :r\ight#                                           / 
 5 7  29 4520 1 1 d    11  in ^s/aying that# -                                / 
 5 7  29 4530 1 1 d    11  we ^don`t have !t\ime#                             / 
 5 7  29 4540 1 1 d    11  in a lot of ^\other com'muni'cation#               / 
 5 7  29 4550 1 1 d    11  to es"^t\ablish this 'background of 'feeling# *-*  / 
 5 7  29 4560 1 1 a    11  *^[/mhm]#*                                         / 
 5 7  29 4570 1 1(d    11  ((and)) es^pecially in po'litical com'muni:c\ation#/ 
 5 7  29 4580 2 1 d    21  ^where *you*                                       / 
 5 7  29 4590 1 1 c    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 5 7  29 4580 1 2(d    11  'know the !m\inister is there {for ^h\alf an       / 
 5 7  29 4580 1 1(d    11  'hour#}#                                           / 
 5 7  29 4600 1 1 d    11  and there`s a ^c\ar out'side w/aiting#             / 
 5 7  29 4610 1 2 d    11  to ^take him 'back to :D\owning 'Street and s/o    / 
 5 7  29 4610 1 1 d    11  on# -                                              / 
 5 7  30 4620 1 1 d    11  ^whose 'job \/is it# .                             / 
 5 7  30 4630 1 2 d    11  ^other 'than - 'let us 'say the !pr\ess {in        / 
 5 7  30 4630 1 1 d    11  par^t\icular#}#                                    / 
 5 7  30 4640 1 1 d    11  ((and)) the ^m\/edia#                              / 
 5 7  30 4650 1 1 d    11  for es"^t\ablishing {the ^c\ontext#}#              / 
 5 7  30 4660 1 2 d    11  with^in which the :meanings of 'these 'words       / 
 5 7  30 4660 1 1 d    11  :ch\ange# -                                        / 
 5 7  30 4670 1 3 d    14  ^is it ^is [i] ^is it [n] I mean . ^is it the      / 
 5 7  30 4670 1 2 d    14  poli'ticians who "primarily re'sponsible for       / 
 5 7  30 4670 1 1 d    14  _d/oing 'this# .                                   / 
 5 7  30 4680 1 2 d    11  or ^do the 'press have a par"!t\icular             / 
 5 7  30 4680 1 1 d    11  re'sponsi'bility#                                  / 
 5 7  30 4690 1 1 d    11  for as it were ^keeping a:l\ive#                   / 
 5 7  30 4700 1 1 d    11  ^all the t\ime# -                                  / 
 5 7  30 4710 1 1 d    11  the ^s\ense#                                       / 
 5 7  30 4720 1 1 d    11  of ^changes of m/eanings#                          / 
 5 7  30 4730 1 1 d    11  ^changes of c\ontext#                              / 
 5 7  30 4740 1 1 d    11  ^changes of exp\erience# .                         / 
 5 7  30 4750 1 1 d    11  be^hind the 'sort of par!ticular t\erms#           / 
 5 7  30 4760 1 1 d    11  that are ^coming up 'all the t\ime# -              / 
 5 7  30 4770 1 1 d    11  ^let me 'give you just :one _quick ex/ample# .     / 
 5 7  30 4780 1 1 d    11  the ^word v\iolence#;*- .* .;                      / 
 5 7  31 4790 1 1 ?    11  *^y/eah#*                                          / 
 5 7  31 4800 1 1(d    11  [?@] ^constantly 'now being ref/erred to#          / 
 5 7  31 4810 1 1 d    11  in the ^form of !law and :\order and 'so on# .     / 
 5 7  31 4820 1 3 d    12  ^I have a 'feeling 'people are 'talking about      / 
 5 7  31 4820 1 2 d    12  !![kwa] com^pl/\etely 'different 'things :{^when   / 
 5 7  31 4820 1 1 d    12  they 'say the _word _v\iolence#}# - .              / 
 5 7  31 4830 1 1 d    12  ^and the the ^conversation is com!pl\etely sort of#/ 
 5 7  31 4840 1 1 d    11  [@:] ^at !l\/oggerheads#                           / 
 5 7  31 4850 1 1 d    11  because ^nobody :ever s/ays# -                     / 
 5 7  31 4860 1 1 d    12  [? i] ^wh\at ^what !k\inds of 'violence#           / 
 5 7  31 4870 1 2 d    11  in ^what 'circumstances are we t\alking about      / 
 5 7  31 4870 1 1 d    11  'this#                                             / 
 5 7  31 4880 1 1 d    11  ^m/urder# .                                        / 
 5 7  31 4890 1 1 d    11  ^m/ass 'murder#                                    / 
 5 7  31 4900 1 1 d    11  ^w/ar# .                                           / 
 5 7  31 4910 1 1 d    11  "^civil dis*ob/edience#*                           / 
 5 7  32 4920 1 1 d    11  et^cetera et'cetera etc\etera#                     / 
 5 7  32 4930 1 1 ?    11  *^[mh\m]#*                                         / 
 5 7  32 4940 1 1(d    11  now "^whose 'job \is it as it 'were#               / 
 5 7  32 4950 1 2 d    12  to ^keep the - [dhi @] the the ^{l\ines of         / 
 5 7  32 4950 1 1 d    12  communi'cations} !cl\ear#                          / 
 5 7  32 4960 1 1 d    11  ^at the !l\evel of#                                / 
 5 7  32 4970 1 1 d    11  as it were ^f\eeling# .                            / 
 5 7  32 4980 1 1 d    11  ex^p\erience#                                      / 
 5 7  32 4990 1 1 d    11  ^rather than !c\ontent# .                          / 
 5 7  32 5000 1 1 a    11  well it`s the ^honest !m\an`s I 'think#            / 
 5 7  32 5010 1 1 a    11  as it`s ^\always been#                             / 
 5 7  32 5020 1 1 a    11  re^gardless of _what he`s !d\oing#                 / 
 5 7  32 5030 1 1 a    11  [?@] ^\every'body# .                               / 
 5 7  32 5040 1 1 a    11  it ^seems to _me at the !m\oment says 'he#         / 
 5 7  32 5050 1 1 a    11  ^generalizing like !m\ad# -                        / 
 5 7  32 5060 1 2 a    11  [@] ^everybody in any par:t\icular 'field at the   / 
 5 7  32 5060 1 1 a    11  'moment#                                           / 
 5 7  32 5070 1 1 a    11  ^seems to be un!h\appy#                            / 
 5 7  32 5080 1 2 a    11  the edu^c\ationalists are un'happy {about :th\eir  / 
 5 7  32 5080 1 1 a    11  field#}#                                           / 
 5 7  32 5090 1 1 a    11  the ^journalists are . unh/appy#                   / 
 5 7  32 5100 1 1 a    11  the in^d\/ustrialists are 'saying#                 / 
 5 7  33 5110 1 1 a    11  there`s a ^million !p\/eople at the 'moment#       / 
 5 7  33 5120 1 2 a    11  ^all 'wanting another !ten 'pound a 'week and we   / 
 5 7  33 5120 1 1 a    11  :can`t aff/ord it#                                 / 
 5 7  33 5130 1 1 a    11  and ^s\o on# -                                     / 
 5 7  33 5140 1 1 a    11  in ^m\y 'field I 'think# .                         / 
 5 7  33 5150 1 1 a    11  [@ @] the ^j\ournalists#                           / 
 5 7  33 5160 1 1 a    11  or ^s/\ome of them#                                / 
 5 7  33 5170 1 1 a    11  the ^ones who are _s/erious#                       / 
 5 7  33 5180 1 1 a    11  are ^w\orried that# .                              / 
 5 7  33 5190 1 2 a    11  [@:m] -  - we`ve ^{never !!h\ad} such 'kind of     / 
 5 7  33 5190 1 1 a    11  :\output#                                          / 
 5 7  33 5200 1 2 a    11  I ^know that the 'total 'sales of :n\ewspapers are / 
 5 7  33 5200 1 1 a    11  f/alling#                                          / 
 5 7  33 5210 1 1 a    11  but there`s ^so many \other _things#               / 
 5 7  33 5220 1 1 a    11  there`s ^lots of 'radio _\output#                  / 
 5 7  33 5230 1 2 a    11  there`s [@m??] ^when the . 'BBC 'gets itself       / 
 5 7  33 5230 1 1 a    11  re:\organized {after ^\April#}#                    / 
 5 7  33 5240 1 2 a    11  ^we ap'pear to be 'going to have :news bulletins   / 
 5 7  33 5240 1 1 a    11  :more or less con!t\inuously#                      / 
 5 7  34 5250 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 5 7  34 5260 1 1 a    11  like ^hot w\ater#                                  / 
 5 7  34 5270 1 2 a    12  I mean . you`re ^going to [b] 'just there`s ^going / 
 5 7  34 5270 1 1 a    12  to be a :new !s\ource#                             / 
 5 7  34 5280 1 1 a    11  [? d] ^going on all the !t\ime#                    / 
 5 7  34 5290 1 1 a    11  and ^y\/et# -                                      / 
 5 7  34 5300 1 1 a    11  ^\I 'get the im'pression#                          / 
 5 7  34 5310 1 2 a    11  and I`m not "^al\one among 'this {a^mong           / 
 5 7  34 5310 1 1 a    11  !j\ournalists#}#                                   / 
 5 7  34 5320 1 2 a    11  that ^there has !never been "!l\ess under'standing / 
 5 7  34 5320 1 1 a    11  of the 'issues# .                                  / 
 5 7  34 5330 1 1 a    11  that the "^cl\ap'trap 'boys#                       / 
 5 7  34 5340 1 1 a    11  are ^r\eally#                                      / 
 5 7  34 5350 1 1 a    11  at their ^very !b\est#                             / 
 5 7  34 5360 1 1 a    11  the [@ d] the ^\economic 'clap'trap 'boys#         / 
 5 7  34 5370 1 1 a    11  had a ^great 'run for a :l\ong 'time# -            / 
 5 7  34 5380 1 1 a    11  I ^think the :socio!l\ogical 'clap'trap 'boys#     / 
 5 7  34 5390 1 1 a    11  are ^moving 'in on it !n\ow# .                     / 
 5 7  34 5400 1 2 a    12  [@:m] . ^but you 'know there`ll :be . there`ll ^be / 
 5 7  34 5400 1 1 a    12  a !new 'breed each :y\ear#                         / 
 5 7  35 5410 1 1 a    11  as there ^always !\is# .                           / 
 5 7  35 5420 1 1 a    11  ^and . you _have a !desperate f\eeling#            / 
 5 7  35 5430 1 2 a    11  you know that ^Moses 'said it 'all on the          / 
 5 7  35 5430 1 1 a    11  m\ountain#                                         / 
 5 7  35 5440 1 1 a    11  and ^somebody 'took it d\own#                      / 
 5 7  35 5450 1 2 a    11  and [wi@] it`s ^just been re:peated and re:peated  / 
 5 7  35 5450 1 1 a    11  and re:p\eated#                                    / 
 5 7  35 5460 1 1 a    11  and one is ^w\aiting for 'somebody to _say#        / 
 5 7  35 5470 1 1 a    11  ^wait a m/inute# -                                 / 
 5 7  35 5480 1 1 a    11  ^why do we 'keep !s\aying 'this#                   / 
 5 7  35 5490 1 1 a    11  ^why aren`t we 'questioning what we :m\ean#        / 
 5 7  35 5500 1 1 a    11  and ^this is your !v\iolence 'one#                 / 
 5 7  35 5510 1 2 a    12  you ^kn/ow that . [? @:m] - that - [dhi:] -        / 
 5 7  35 5510 1 1 a    12  ^\appetite - {of the ^m\edia#}# -                  / 
 5 7  35 5520 1 1 a    11  for . ^something to :flow down its !ch\annels#     / 
 5 7  35 5530 1 1 a    11  is ^so _gr\eat# .                                  / 
 5 7  35 5540 1 1 a    11  that there ^isn`t !t\ime to# .                     / 
 5 7  36 5550 1 1 a    11  ^ch\eck# .                                         / 
 5 7  36 5560 1 1 a    11  ^alw\ays#                                          / 
 5 7  36 5570 1 2 a    11  the ^kind of 'things that are _going 'down the     / 
 5 7  36 5570 1 1 a    11  !ch\annels#                                        / 
 5 7  36 5580 1 2 a    11  now ^this . 'obviously is 'totally un:true with a  / 
 5 7  36 5580 1 1 a    11  :great many 'very good !!j\ournalists#             / 
 5 7  36 5590 1 2 a    11  there are ^lots of 'journalists who`ve :done their / 
 5 7  36 5590 1 1 a    11  'very !\utmost for 'instance#                      / 
 5 7  36 5600 1 1 a    11  to ex^plain what on :\earth the# -                 / 
 5 7  36 5610 1 2 a    11  ^prices and 'incomes :{p\olicy} was sup:p\osed to  / 
 5 7  36 5610 1 1 a    11  'mean#                                             / 
 5 7  36 5620 1 1 a    11  at ^any 'given !m\oment#                           / 
 5 7  36 5630 1 2 a    11  and ^whether - the :kind of 'words 'we were :using / 
 5 7  36 5630 1 1 a    11  were !h\elpful# -                                  / 
 5 7  36 5640 1 1 a    12  ^but [@:m] - - ^in as 'much as we`ve cre!\ated#    / 
 5 7  36 5650 1 2 a    11  this e^normous . [@:m] :m/\ethod of                / 
 5 7  36 5650 1 1 a    11  com'muni'cation#                                   / 
 5 7  36 5660 1 1 a    11  it ^seems to 'me that we`ve :got . to sp\end# .    / 
 5 7  37 5670 1 1 a    11  ^so much 'time !f\illing it#                       / 
 5 7  37 5680 1 2 a    11  we ^don`t have e'nough :{t\ime to 'think about}    / 
 5 7  37 5680 1 1 a    11  :what goes !d\own it#                              / 
 5 7  37 5690 1 1 a    11  ^now I 'think it pr/\obably the . s/ame# .         / 
 5 7  37 5700 1 1 a    12  ^in . ^in . the !!t\eaching 'world# -              / 
 5 7  37 5710 1 1 a    11  and . ^I [f] 'get the f\eeling#                    / 
 5 7  37 5720 1 1 a    11  ^looking at the 'world of edu:c\ation#             / 
 5 7  37 5730 1 1 a    11  about ^which I 'know very !l\ittle#                / 
 5 7  37 5740 1 2 a    11  that there are ^two sorts of 'ways in which it`s   / 
 5 7  37 5740 1 1 a    11  :w\orking#                                         / 
 5 7  37 5750 1 1 a    11  ^one is '[dhi] sort of !\en'clave 'way# .          / 
 5 7  37 5760 1 3 a    11  ^where !great you can 'get yourself into a         / 
 5 7  37 5760 1 2 a    11  :post'graduate 'school of a :lot of 'like          / 
 5 7  37 5760 1 1 a    11  !m\inds# .                                         / 
 5 7  37 5770 1 1 a    11  and you can ^all s\it to'gether#                   / 
 5 7  37 5780 1 1 a    11  in a ^tight little [t] :tennis club !w\orld# .     / 
 5 7  37 5790 1 1 a    11  and you can ^go on a 'journey 'by yours/elves# .   / 
 5 7  38 5800 1 2 a    11  [@:m??] but . ^really 'when you come "!out of the  / 
 5 7  38 5800 1 1 a    11  :encl/ave#                                         / 
 5 7  38 5810 1 1 a    11  you`re ^not much 'use to the :r\est of 'us# .      / 
 5 7  38 5820 1 2 a    12  and the ^other - ^which ((you know)) !!some 'ways I/ 
 5 7  38 5820 1 1 a    12  sus:pect is 'even :w\orse#                         / 
 5 7  38 5830 1 2 a    11  though I ^find it more 'difficult to               / 
 5 7  38 5830 1 1 a    11  !c\/ategorize# - .                                 / 
 5 7  38 5840 1 2 a    11  is - - [?] that - . par^ticularly in 'colleges of  / 
 5 7  38 5840 1 1 a    11  'further edu'cation like _Fr\ed`s# -               / 
 5 7  38 5850 1 1 a    11  there`s a ^whole 'new l\evel#                      / 
 5 7  38 5860 1 1 a    11  of kind of "^lightweight :cl\ap'trap# -            / 
 5 7  38 5870 1 1 a    11  there`s a ^whole 'new w\orld#                      / 
 5 7  38 5880 1 1 a    11  of kind of ^tatty educ\ation# .                    / 
 5 7  38 5890 1 2 a    11  there`s a ^whole 'new 'world of . :kids 'coming    / 
 5 7  38 5890 1 1 a    11  al\ong#                                            / 
 5 7  38 5900 1 1 a    11  and . ^sitting at . "!b\ad 'lectures#              / 
 5 7  38 5910 1 1 a    11  and rather "^b\ored 'lectures#                     / 
 5 7  39 5920 1 1 a    11  and . ^picking 'up a 'lot of . 'little phr/ases#   / 
 5 7  39 5930 1 1 a    11  ^which they can rep\eat#                           / 
 5 7  39 5940 1 2 a    11  and ^under'standing :even "!l\ess than they 'would / 
 5 7  39 5940 1 1 a    11  have 'underst/ood#                                 / 
 5 7  39 5950 1 1 a    11  if they ^hadn`t _bothered to !g\o# -               / 
 5 7  39 5960 1 1 b    11  there ^may be :s\omething in th/is#                / 
 5 7  39 5970 1 2 b    11  [dh@] I ^think that - [@] :in the !br\oadening of  / 
 5 7  39 5970 1 1 b    11  'educ/ation#                                       / 
 5 7  39 5980 1 1 b    11  and the ^p\opularizing of 'edu_cation#             / 
 5 7  39 5990 1 1 b    11  there ^is this :d\/anger#                          / 
 5 7  39 6000 1 1 b    11  that ^more - [@] 'can 'mean w/orse# .              / 
 5 7  39 6010 1 1 b    11  but it`s ^not in:\/evitable# -                     / 
 5 7  39 6020 1 1 b    11  [@ e] ^any more in :sch\ools#                      / 
 5 7  39 6030 1 1 b    11  and ^colleges of !further !educ/ation#             / 
 5 7  39 6040 1 1 b    11  than at uni^v\ersity# .                            / 
 5 7  39 6050 1 1 b    11  the ^r\/eal thing 'is#                             / 
 5 7  39 6060 1 1 b    11  that we ^have to a"!d\apt# .                       / 
 5 7  39 6070 1 1 b    11  in ^order to "!c\ope with 'this#                   / 
 5 7  40 6080 1 1 b    11  and I ^think this :means . !re!th\inking#          / 
 5 7  40 6090 1 1 b    11  a ^lot of the !pr\ocesses#                         / 
 5 7  40 6100 1 1 b    11  which have gone ^\on in _edu_cation# .             / 
 5 7  40 6110 1 1 b    11  it ^means - - 'doing !tw\o th=ings#                / 
 5 7  40 6120 1 1 b    11  in^stead of !\one#                                 / 
 5 7  40 6130 1 1 b    11  in the ^p\ast# .                                   / 
 5 7  40 6140 1 2 b    11  [@:] ^{t\eachers} :concentrated 'on a :single      / 
 5 7  40 6140 1 1 b    11  :d\/iscipline# .                                   / 
 5 7  40 6150 1 1 b    11  ^and !d\eepening#                                  / 
 5 7  40 6160 1 1 b    11  the ^under!standing of the :d\iscipline#           / 
 5 7  40 6170 1 2 b    11  which was ^all 'right for 'these 'people that could/ 
 5 7  40 6170 1 1 b    11  !f\ollow that {^\out#}# *-*                        / 
 5 7  40 6180 1 1 ?    11  *[m^h=m]#*                                         / 
 5 7  40 6190 1 1(b    11  but for ^those who :c\ouldn`t# .                   / 
 5 7  40 6200 1 1 b    11  they just ^dropped !\out#                          / 
 5 7  40 6210 1 1 b    11  they pro"^gressively 'dropped :\out of 'educ/ation#/ 
 5 7  40 6220 1 1 b    11  ^as it _went !\on# -                               / 
 5 7  41 6230 1 2 b    11  ^what is {n\ecessary} at the :pr\/esent 'time I    / 
 5 7  41 6230 1 1 b    11  'think 'is# -                                      / 
 5 7  41 6240 1 1 b    11  con^tinuing 'that :pr\ocess#                       / 
 5 7  41 6250 1 1 b    11  but at the ^same !t\/ime# -                        / 
 5 7  41 6260 1 1 b    11  [@m] in^{v\olving} !\all the st/udents#            / 
 5 7  41 6270 1 1 b    11  in ^certain 'common "!pr\actical ac_tivities# .    / 
 5 7  41 6280 1 2 b    11  which en^able them to [?] :act - [@] as each       / 
 5 7  41 6280 1 1 b    11  "!\other`s 'teachers# .                            / 
 5 7  41 6290 1 1 b    11  ^so that . [@:] 'there can be com:m\unication#     / 
 5 7  41 6300 1 1 b    11  be^{{tw\een} the m\embers} of the p\eer 'group# .  / 
 5 7  41 6310 1 1 b    11  as ^well as betw\/een#                             / 
 5 7  41 6320 1 1 b    11  ^teachers and !t\aught#                            / 
 5 7  41 6330 1 1 b    11  in ^\other 'words# .                               / 
 5 7  41 6340 1 1 b    11  ^young p\eople# -                                  / 
 5 7  41 6350 1 1 b    11  at ^all l/evels#                                   / 
 5 7  41 6360 1 1 b    11  in^cluding uni'versity '[lev @:] l/evel# -         / 
 5 7  41 6370 1 2 b    11  are ^going to 'be their ":own !t\eachers in the    / 
 5 7  41 6370 1 1 b    11  'future#                                           / 
 5 7  41 6380 1 1 b    11  in a ^very 'real :w\ay# .                          / 
 5 7  41 6390 1 1 b    11  and "^m\ust b/e# .                                 / 
 5 7  42 6400 1 1 b    11  if ^these "barriers to com:munic/ation#            / 
 5 7  42 6410 1 1 b    11  are ^going to be 'broken !d\own# -                 / 
 5 7  42 6420 1 1 c    11  well yes "^c/\ertainly at uni'versity 'level#      / 
 5 7  42 6430 1 2 c    11  I ^think 'one of the 'things that it`s :most       / 
 5 7  42 6430 1 1 c    11  !d\ifficult#                                       / 
 5 7  42 6440 1 1 c    11  for ^incoming {st\udents} - to :l\earn# -          / 
 5 7  42 6450 1 1 c    11  ^\is# -                                            / 
 5 7  42 6460 1 1 c    11  ^how to !l\earn# - .                               / 
 5 7  42 6470 1 1 c    11  ^as dis!t\inct 'from# .                            / 
 5 7  42 6480 1 1 c    11  ^taking \in#                                       / 
 5 7  42 6490 1 2 c    11  ^something that is . :very 'formally and           / 
 5 7  42 6490 1 1 c    11  _dog!m\atically# .                                 / 
 5 7  42 6500 1 1 c    11  ^t\aught#                                          / 
 5 7  42 6510 1 1 c    11  ^v\ery 'often of 'course# .                        / 
 5 7  42 6520 1 1 c    11  ^taught 'for the p\urpose# -                       / 
 5 7  42 6530 1 1 c    11  ^of 'passing a par'ticular ex'amin/\ation# -       / 
 5 7  42 6540 1 1 c    11  and I ^think you`re 'absolutely !r\ight#           / 
 5 7  42 6550 1 1 c    11  but I`d ^like to get :b\ack to# -                  / 
 5 7  42 6560 1 1 c    11  ^what you s\aid# -                                 / 
 5 7  42 6570 1 1 c    11  at the ^very be!!g\inning#                         / 
 5 7  42 6580 1 1 c    11  because ^this is - :s\omething#                    / 
 5 7  43 6590 1 1 c    11  that ^\interests me#                               / 
 5 7  43 6600 1 1 c    11  and ^raises a 'very 'real !d\ifficulty#            / 
 5 7  43 6610 1 1 c    11  ^you _s\aid# .                                     / 
 5 7  43 6620 1 1 c    11  we are ^all u:nique !b\eings# -                    / 
 5 7  43 6630 1 1 c    11  ^=and# - -                                         / 
 5 7  43 6640 1 1 c    11  ^if you 'are . [@] :t\eaching#                     / 
 5 7  43 6650 1 1 c    11  ^and !l\earning#                                   / 
 5 7  43 6660 1 1 c    11  ^in a :group of :p\eople# -                        / 
 5 7  43 6670 1 1 c    11  [? ?] in in ^m\ost 'circum'stances#                / 
 5 7  43 6680 1 1 c    11  ^in a 'school or univ=ersity# .                    / 
 5 7  43 6690 1 2 c    12  ^you . there`s a ^certain a'mount of               / 
 5 7  43 6690 1 1 c    12  fa:mili!\arity#                                    / 
 5 7  43 6700 1 2 c    11  you`re "^not 'after '[dhi:] - in!\itial - [@:]     / 
 5 7  43 6700 1 1 c    11  {^st\ages#}#                                       / 
 5 7  43 6710 1 1 c    11  ^talking to !!str\angers# -                        / 
 5 7  43 6720 1 1 c    11  ^but - in a !subject like m/ine#                   / 
 5 7  43 6730 1 1 c    11  which is ^l\/iterature# -                          / 
 5 7  43 6740 1 1 c    11  it`s per^haps - !{r\elatively} \easy# .            / 
 5 7  43 6750 1 2 c    11  to - a^chieve !some kind of :{\intimacy} and       / 
 5 7  43 6750 1 1 c    11  particu!l\arity#                                   / 
 5 7  43 6760 1 1 c    11  so that . you`re ^talking a!bout u!n\iqueness#     / 
 5 7  43 6770 1 1 c    11  because your ^s\ubject# -                          / 
 5 7  44 6780 1 2 c    11  is the u^nique ex'pression of i_deas and           / 
 5 7  44 6780 1 1 c    11  !f\eelings# -                                      / 
 5 7  44 6790 1 1 c    11  in ^\art# -                                        / 
 5 7  44 6800 1 1 c    11  but in ^m\any 'subjects#                           / 
 5 7  44 6810 1 1 c    11  it ^seems to m\e# -                                / 
 5 7  44 6820 1 1 c    11  it`s ^not so :easy to :do what you c\all# .        / 
 5 7  44 6830 1 1 c    11  in^v\olving {^p\eople#}# .                         / 
 5 7  44 6840 1 1 c    11  in a ^{pr\actical} act\ivity#                      / 
 5 7  44 6850 1 1 c    11  ^so that they 'can com:m\unicate# -                / 
 5 7  44 6860 1 1 c    12  ^and and ^teach each :\other#                      / 
 5 7  44 6870 1 1 c    11  I mean ^would you a:gr\ee#                         / 
 5 7  44 6880 1 1 c    11  that - that ^this . is . is :very much :\easier# - / 
 5 7  44 6890 1 1 c    11  ^in 'some !!s\ubjects#                             / 
 5 7  44 6900 1 1 c    11  than in ^\others# .                                / 
 5 7  44 6910 1 2 b    12  ^I !think that . [@m] - I ^don`t know about        / 
 5 7  44 6910 1 1 b    12  uni!v\ersities#                                    / 
 5 7  44 6920 1 1 b    11  but . at "^all 'levels be":l\ow univ/ersity# -     / 
 5 7  44 6930 1 2 b    11  [@] - be^sides pur:{s\uing} the . the _purely      / 
 5 7  44 6930 1 1 b    11  !s\ubject - {ap^pr\oach#}#                         / 
 5 7  45 6940 1 1 b    11  it ^\is n/ecessary#                                / 
 5 7  45 6950 1 1 b    12  for ^[je] ^for - . p/upils {to ^be inv/olved#}#    / 
 5 7  45 6960 1 2 b    11  in ^things which - _break a_cross !s\everal        / 
 5 7  45 6960 1 1 b    11  'subjects# .                                       / 
 5 7  45 6970 1 1 b    11  I ^th=ink# -                                       / 
 5 7  45 6980 1 1 b    11  ^what you 'say is 'quite !tr\ue#                   / 
 5 7  45 6990 1 1 b    11  if you ^stick to a :s\ingle 'subject ap'proach# .  / 
 5 7  45 7000 1 1 b    11  there are ^s\ome 'subjects#                        / 
 5 7  45 7010 1 2 b    11  ^where you can in:volve your:self in :practical    / 
 5 7  45 7010 1 1 b    11  act/ivity#                                         / 
 5 7  45 7020 1 1 b    11  and - there are ^some 'subjects which !c\an`t# .   / 
 5 7  45 7030 1 1 b    11  but - in a ^sch\ool#                               / 
 5 7  45 7040 1 1 b    11  or a ^college of (('further)) edu:c\/ation# -      / 
 5 7  45 7050 1 1 b    11  I ^would have !th\ought in# -                      / 
 5 7  45 7060 1 1 b    11  "^p\ossibly in univ/ersities#                      / 
 5 7  45 7070 1 2 b    11  ^it is !possible {to in:v\olve one'self} in        / 
 5 7  45 7070 1 1 b    11  :st\udies# -                                       / 
 5 7  45 7080 1 1 b    11  ^which !d\o 'call up'on#                           / 
 5 7  46 7090 1 1 b    11  ^s\everal 'discipl/ines# -                         / 
 5 7  46 7100 1 2 b    12  (([@m])) the ^[kaet@!li?] - the ^c\/atalyst of     / 
 5 7  46 7100 1 1 b    12  'which#                                            / 
 5 7  46 7110 1 1 b    11  will ^be a :practical ac!t\ivity# - - -            / 
 5 7  46 7120 1 1 d    11  I mean I ^s\ee 'that#                              / 
 5 7  46 7130 1 2 d    12  and I ^think that [@: dh@:] I mean I think it`s    / 
 5 7  46 7130 1 1 d    12  ^v\ery im_portant#                                 / 
 5 7  46 7140 1 2 d    11  and and ^in a 'way we "!see the edu'cational       / 
 5 7  46 7140 1 1 d    11  'process :d\ifferently#                            / 
 5 7  46 7150 1 1 d    11  ^once we 'under_stand that 'that`s :s\o# -         / 
 5 7  46 7160 1 1 d    11  I ^think [ju:??] uni:versity :k\ind of _teaching# ./ 
 5 7  46 7170 1 1 d    11  ^does 'put the :most str\ess on 'this# -           / 
 5 7  46 7180 1 2 d    12  [@:] I mean it ^puts ^puts that *'con*cept :most   / 
 5 7  46 7180 1 1 d    12  "\under 'stress#                                   / 
 5 7  46 7190 2 1 d    21  ^that`s                                            / 
 5 7  46 7200 1 1 c    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 7  46 7190 1 1(d    11  'really 'what I m\ean# .                           / 
 5 7  46 7210 1 2 d    12  [@:] ^and and it ^differs from 'subject to         / 
 5 7  46 7210 1 1 d    12  s\ubject#                                          / 
 5 7  47 7220 1 1 d    11  I`m ^sure that`s !tr\ue# -                         / 
 5 7  47 7230 1 1 d    11  [@:] but there ^is an!\other _problem#             / 
 5 7  47 7240 1 2 d    11  ^even 'when - it`s :{n\ot} [@:] :difficult to      / 
 5 7  47 7240 1 1 d    11  :d\o# .                                            / 
 5 7  47 7250 1 1 d    11  in the ^\/abstract# - .                            / 
 5 7  47 7260 1 1 d    11  there "^\is a 'question about :wh/ether# -         / 
 5 7  47 7270 1 1 d    11  [?] ^uni'versity t\eachers#                        / 
 5 7  47 7280 1 2 d    11  who ^after all :have - !no ex:perience 'of - the   / 
 5 7  47 7280 1 1 d    11  t\eaching# .                                       / 
 5 7  47 7290 1 2 d    11  ^edu'cational "!c\ontent of :{^what they`re        / 
 5 7  47 7290 1 1 d    11  d\oing#}#                                          / 
 5 7  47 7300 1 2 d    12  ((who are ^not)) are ^not neces'sarily             / 
 5 7  47 7300 1 1 d    12  !{\interested} or in:v\/olved in 'that# -          / 
 5 7  47 7310 1 2 d    11  ^whether they`re 'likely to :think that it`s       / 
 5 7  47 7310 1 1 d    11  'something worth !d\oing#                          / 
 5 7  47 7320 1 1 d    11  ^or in'deed be 'able to !d\o it# - -               / 
 5 7  48 7330 1 2 d    12  I mean ^what it ^struck me that :what !y\ou were   / 
 5 7  48 7330 1 1 d    12  s/aying#                                           / 
 5 7  48 7340 1 1 d    11  was that ^as it w/ere# -                           / 
 5 7  48 7350 1 1 d    11  the ^subject 'content {d\isci'pline} - \area# -    / 
 5 7  48 7360 1 1 d    11  becomes ^l\ess sig'nificant#                       / 
 5 7  48 7370 1 1 d    11  as ^one !broadens [@] 'educ\ation#                 / 
 5 7  48 7380 1 1 d    11  and in^creases the /entry# -                       / 
 5 7  48 7390 1 1 d    11  and the ^edu'cational t\eaching#                   / 
 5 7  48 7400 1 1 d    11  in^v\olving#                                       / 
 5 7  48 7410 1 1 d    11  par^ticipating :f\unction#                         / 
 5 7  48 7420 1 1 d    11  becomes "^m\ore sig'nificant# -                    / 
 5 7  48 7430 1 1 d    11  now I sus^p\ect that uni'versity 'teachers 'are /A#/ 
 5 7  48 7440 1 1 d    11  [@] the group "^most l\ikely#                      / 
 5 7  48 7450 1 1 d    11  to re^s\ist 'that as an id/ea# .                   / 
 5 7  48 7460 1 1 d    11  and ^\B#                                           / 
 5 7  48 7470 1 2 d    13  ^be the 'group !most ( - laughs) ^least l/ikely to / 
 5 7  48 7470 1 1 d    13  be ^able to 'put it 'into !pr\actice#              / 
 5 7  48 7480 1 1 d    11  ^even if 'they sub!scr\ibe to it# - -              / 
 5 7  49 7490 1 1 b    11  [@:] (coughs) ^y\es#                               / 
 5 7  49 7500 1 1 b    11  I ^think 'that`s :r\ight#                          / 
 5 7  49 7510 1 1 b    12  I ^think that [@m - - ?@:] ^two th\ings#           / 
 5 7  49 7520 1 1 b    11  ^one 'is that I`m "!not s\aying#                   / 
 5 7  49 7530 1 1 b    11  that ^n\o# .                                       / 
 5 7  49 7540 1 2 b    11  ^{{d\iscipline} t\eaching} should be               / 
 5 7  49 7540 1 1 b    11  under:t\ak*en#*                                    / 
 5 7  49 7550 1 1 ?    11  *^s=ure#*                                          / 
 5 7  49 7560 1 1 b    11  I ^think - [? ? ?] it is es:s\ential#              / 
 5 7  49 7570 1 1 b    11  that ^one pre!s\/erves 'disci'pline# .             / 
 5 7  49 7580 1 1 b    11  ^what I am :saying a"!long"!s\ide 'that# -         / 
 5 7  49 7590 1 1 b    11  there ^needs to b\e#                               / 
 5 7  49 7600 1 1 b    11  ^some 'kind of 'in!v\olvement#                     / 
 5 7  49 7610 1 1 b    11  in "^br\oader 'areas of _study# -                  / 
 5 7  49 7620 1 1 b    11  that ^cut a!cr\oss d/isciplines# .                 / 
 5 7  49 7630 1 1 b    11  and which ^d\o 'bring _people# .                   / 
 5 7  49 7640 1 1 b    11  ^fr\om 'different 'disciplines#                    / 
 5 7  49 7650 1 1 b    11  into ^c\/ontact with 'each 'other#                 / 
 5 7  50 7660 1 1 b    11  that en^\/able them# -                             / 
 5 7  50 7670 1 2 b    11  be^cause they 'are ap!plying their 'disciplines    / 
 5 7  50 7670 1 1 b    11  al:r\eady#                                         / 
 5 7  50 7680 1 2 b    11  to the e^{luci!d\ation} of a par:ticular           / 
 5 7  50 7680 1 1 b    11  ((pr\oblem))# .                                    / 
 5 7  50 7690 1 1 b    11  a ^pr\/actical 'problem# .                         / 
 5 7  50 7700 1 1 b    11  ^rather than a 'purely theo!r\etical /one# .       / 
 5 7  50 7710 1 1 b    12  that [@] ^they are !\able to [in m] to be^c\ome# - / 
 5 7  50 7720 1 1 b    12  [@] ^better [kamju] com^m\unicators#               / 
 5 7  50 7730 1 1 b    12  ^on _that - [? @:] ^on those !\issues#             / 
 5 7  50 7740 1 1 d    11  you ^s=ee#                                         / 
 5 7  50 7750 1 1 d    11  [@] it`s ^easy for m/\e#                           / 
 5 7  50 7760 1 1 d    11  be^cause in a !w\ay#                               / 
 5 7  50 7770 1 1 d    12  ^I`m in a - [m] ^I`m in al!r\eady#                 / 
 5 7  50 7780 1 1 d    11  a ^mongrel !s\ubject as it 'were#                  / 
 5 7  50 7790 1 1 d    11  it ^doesn`t pos:s\ess#                             / 
 5 7  50 7800 1 1 d    11  a ^single 'discipline of its !\own# .              / 
 5 7  50 7810 1 1 d    11  but I ^wonder 'whether - [? ?] B\arbara#           / 
 5 7  50 7820 1 1 d    11  who ^=is# .                                        / 
 5 7  50 7830 1 1 d    11  with^in [l] the :discipline of !l\iterature#       / 
 5 7  51 7840 1 1 d    11  as "^t\aught in the univ/ersity#                   / 
 5 7  51 7850 1 1 d    11  ^feels that th=is is# -                            / 
 5 7  51 7860 1 1 d    11  be^coming 'easier to d/o#                          / 
 5 7  51 7870 1 1 d    11  or "^l\ess 'easy to 'do#                           / 
 5 7  51 7880 1 1 d    20  *((syll))*                                         / 
 5 7  51 7890 1 1 c    11  *I* ^th=ink#                                       / 
 5 7  51 7900 1 1 c    11  I ^th=ink# -                                       / 
 5 7  51 7910 1 1 c    11  it`s be^com((ing)) !\easier to d/o# -              / 
 5 7  51 7920 1 1 c    11  in ^one s/ense# .                                  / 
 5 7  51 7930 1 1 c    11  and ^that \is#                                     / 
 5 7  51 7940 1 1 c    11  ^that - [?] the !st\udents# .                      / 
 5 7  51 7950 1 1 c    11  ^are [?] dem\anding# .                             / 
 5 7  51 7960 1 1 c    11  ^what . 'is very :often of 'course !shr\/unk 'from#/ 
 5 7  51 7970 1 1 c    11  [@] the ^{d\anger 'word} "r\elevance# -            / 
 5 7  51 7980 1 1 c    11  and ^this . "!c\/an 'mean#                         / 
 5 7  51 7990 1 1 c    11  it ^doesn`t :\/always 'mean#                       / 
 5 7  51 8000 1 1 c    11  it ^c\an 'mean# -                                  / 
 5 7  51 8010 1 1 c    11  that the ^students _are - !restr\ucturing# .       / 
 5 7  51 8020 1 1 c    11  ^their l/earning#                                  / 
 5 7  51 8030 1 1 c    11  ^one`s t/eaching#                                  / 
 5 7  51 8040 1 1 c    11  ^by 'asking _qu\estions#                           / 
 5 7  51 8050 1 1 c    11  ^which in!\evitably# .                             / 
 5 7  51 8060 1 1 c    11  ^go !\out#                                         / 
 5 7  52 8070 1 1 c    11  in^stead of "!\into# -                             / 
 5 7  52 8080 1 1 c    11  what^ever one :m\eans by [dhi:]# .                 / 
 5 7  52 8090 1 1 c    11  the ^{c\entre of} the d\iscipline# .               / 
 5 7  52 8100 1 1 c    11  but [?] ((I mean)) I ^think . that !l\iterature# . / 
 5 7  52 8110 1 1 c    11  ^is a 'very 'special !c\ase#                       / 
 5 7  52 8120 1 1 c    12  and per^haps . ^\I don`t 'know#                    / 
 5 7  52 8130 1 1 c    11  one would ^also 'have to \add# -                   / 
 5 7  52 8140 1 1 c    11  ^history and psych\ology I sup'pose#               / 
 5 7  52 8150 1 1 c    11  per^haps they`re \/all 'special 'cases#            / 
 5 7  52 8160 1 1 c    11  but - [?] - the ^m/\ore 'one# -                    / 
 5 7  52 8170 1 1 c    11  [?] ^c\oncen'trates# .                             / 
 5 7  52 8180 1 1 c    11  and ^sp\ecializes#                                 / 
 5 7  52 8190 1 1 c    11  ^in my :s\ubject# -                                / 
 5 7  52 8200 1 1 c    11  it ^seems to m\e#                                  / 
 5 7  52 8210 1 1 c    11  the ^more !n\ecessary it 'is#                      / 
 5 7  52 8220 1 1 c    11  to ^s\ee# -                                        / 
 5 7  52 8230 1 1 c    11  its va^riety _multi_plicity and br/\oadness#       / 
 5 7  52 8240 1 1 c    11  ^that`s to s\ay# .                                 / 
 5 7  52 8250 1 1 c    11  the ^more . 'you 'go :\into# .                     / 
 5 7  52 8260 1 1 c    11  the ^study 'of D\ickens#                           / 
 5 7  52 8270 1 1 c    11  ^or !W\/ords'worth#                                / 
 5 7  52 8280 1 1 c    11  or ^T S !\Eliot#                                   / 
 5 7  52 8290 1 1 c    11  or who^ever it =is# .                              / 
 5 7  52 8300 1 1 c    11  the more ^n\ecessary it 'is# -                     / 
 5 7  52 8310 1 1 c    11  to look "^\out'side#                               / 
 5 7  52 8320 1 1 c    11  the ^work of /art#                                 / 
 5 7  52 8330 1 1 c    11  ^at soc\iety# .                                    / 
 5 7  52 8340 1 1 c    11  ^at _h\istory# .                                   / 
 5 7  53 8350 1 1 c    11  ^at phi:l\osophy# .                                / 
 5 7  53 8360 1 1 c    11  ^and !very \often# . .                             / 
 5 7  53 8370 1 1 c    11  ^[dhi:] . "!specia'list st\udy# .                  / 
 5 7  53 8380 1 1 c    11  ^[dhi:] pur"!suit of the :d\iscipline#             / 
 5 7  53 8390 1 2 c    11  is ^talked a'bout es"!pecially by                  / 
 5 7  53 8390 1 1 c    11  :non-sp\/ecialists# .                              / 
 5 7  53 8400 1 1 c    11  as if it ^w\ere# -                                 / 
 5 7  53 8410 1 1 c    11  a ^n\arrowing 'process#                            / 
 5 7  53 8420 1 1 c    11  ^wh\/ereas#                                        / 
 5 7  53 8430 1 1 c    11  it ^is in 'fact . a !br\oadening 'process# .       / 
 5 7  53 8440 1 1 c    11  but ^what 'worries :m\e 'is# .                     / 
 5 7  53 8450 1 1 c    11  that . we ^often 'talk :very :gl\ibly# .           / 
 5 7  53 8460 1 1 c    11  as if . [dhi] ^multi'plying of "!s\ub'jects# .     / 
 5 7  53 8470 1 1 c    11  is ^s\omething# .                                  / 
 5 7  53 8480 1 1 c    11  ^that c\an# .                                      / 
 5 7  53 8490 1 1 c    11  [@] ^work a!g\ainst#                               / 
 5 7  53 8500 1 1 c    11  ^n\arrow'ness#                                     / 
 5 7  53 8510 1 1 c    11  and ^sp\ecializ*'ation#*                           / 
 5 7  53 8520 2 1 c    21  I mean ^th\is for                                  / 
 5 7  53 8530 1 1 ?    11  *^[/mhm]#*                                         / 
 5 7  53 8520 1 1(c    11  'instance#                                         / 
 5 7  53 8540 1 1 c    11  ^comes /up 'in# -                                  / 
 5 7  53 8550 1 1 c    11  the ^r\ecent#                                      / 
 5 7  54 8560 1 1 c    11  pro^p\osals#                                       / 
 5 7  54 8570 1 1 c    11  or sug^g\estions# -                                / 
 5 7  54 8580 1 1 c    11  ^for [dhi:] :ch\anges#                             / 
 5 7  54 8590 1 1 c    11  ^in . [@: 'dhi: :@m] . _sixth 'form cur!!r\icula# -/ 
 5 7  54 8600 1 1 c    11  the sug^gestion that you :have - _five _subj=ects# / 
 5 7  54 8610 1 1 c    11  and ^then !three _subj=ects# -                     / 
 5 7  54 8620 1 1 c    11  ^and you !have your 'Q and !\F _level# .           / 
 5 7  54 8630 1 1 c    11  there "^is the :strong 'implic/ation# .            / 
 5 7  54 8640 1 1 c    11  that ^if you st\udy# .                             / 
 5 7  54 8650 1 1 c    11  "^many s\ub'jects# -                               / 
 5 7  54 8660 1 1 c    11  you`re ^g\oing - to 'be# .                         / 
 5 7  54 8670 1 1 c    11  ^br\oadening#                                      / 
 5 7  54 8680 1 1 c    11  and en^r\iching# -                                 / 
 5 7  54 8690 1 1 c    11  and ^varying your 'edu'cational exp\erience# -     / 
 5 7  54 8700 1 2 c    11  and ^this is what you 'know I 'think we :r\eally   / 
 5 7  54 8700 1 1 c    11  'ought to# -                                       / 
 5 7  54 8710 1 1 c    11  to ^qu\estion {^very 'very str\ongly#}# .          / 
 5 7  54 8720 1 1 a    11  but ^you s\ee#                                     / 
 5 7  54 8730 1 1 a    11  ^if we`re conc\erned# .                            / 
 5 7  54 8740 1 1 a    12  as we ^[d] "^\I 'think#                            / 
 5 7  55 8750 1 1 a    11  we`ve ^g\ot to be conc/erned with# -               / 
 5 7  55 8760 1 1 a    11  ^not only the pur:suit of :kn\owledge#             / 
 5 7  55 8770 1 1 a    11  but ^as it w=ere#                                  / 
 5 7  55 8780 1 1 a    11  the [k] ^{acqui_s\ition of} w\isdom# .             / 
 5 7  55 8790 1 2 a    11  [@:m] - the ^reason that 'we are ex:panding the    / 
 5 7  55 8790 1 1 a    11  edu:c\ation 'services#                             / 
 5 7  55 8800 1 1 a    11  is "^not 'just that the :g\overnment can {^h\ave#}#/ 
 5 7  55 8810 1 1 a    11  as ^m\any# -                                       / 
 5 7  55 8820 1 1 a    11  ^technocr/ats#                                     / 
 5 7  55 8830 1 1 a    11  or what^ever it 'is it`s sup:posed to :n\eed#      / 
 5 7  55 8840 1 2 a    11  that - [t@] to in^crease the !gross 'national      / 
 5 7  55 8840 1 1 a    11  :pr\oduct#                                         / 
 5 7  55 8850 1 1 a    11  and ^all the !\other 'things# .                    / 
 5 7  55 8860 1 1 a    12  but be^cause we - ^we be!l\ieve# .                 / 
 5 7  55 8870 1 1 a    11  I ^don`t 'know if we !d\o be'lieve#                / 
 5 7  55 8880 1 1 a    11  but ^\I be'lieve#                                  / 
 5 7  55 8890 1 1 a    11  in [@] in a ^kind of !sweetly 'reasonable :w\ay#   / 
 5 7  55 8900 1 2 a    12  ^I be'lieve that that . if the the ^indi'vidual`s  / 
 5 7  55 8900 1 1 a    12  :under'standing is im!pr\oved#                     / 
 5 7  56 8910 1 1 a    11  then ^s\omehow# -                                  / 
 5 7  56 8920 1 2 a    11  if e^nough indi'viduals . 'are :better             / 
 5 7  56 8920 1 1 a    11  'under:st\/anding#                                 / 
 5 7  56 8930 1 2 a    11  then - - [ju] you`re ^going to pro_duce a :better  / 
 5 7  56 8930 1 1 a    11  !w\orld#                                           / 
 5 7  56 8940 1 1 a    11  now ^let me . rephr\ase 'that#                     / 
 5 7  56 8950 1 1 a    11  and ^try and 'get it a :bit _cl\earer#             / 
 5 7  56 8960 1 1 c    11  it ^s=ounds all 'right#                            / 
 5 7  56 8970 1 2 a    11  [@:m] - - ^it is !prejudice that 'causes           / 
 5 7  56 8970 1 1 a    11  un:h\appinesses#                                   / 
 5 7  56 8980 1 1 a    11  that ^causes !v\iolence#                           / 
 5 7  56 8990 1 1 a    11  and ^all sorts of th\ings# .                       / 
 5 7  56 9000 1 1 a    11  ^and - :one would !like to th\ink#                 / 
 5 7  56 9010 1 1 a    11  that ^edu'cation is !one m\ethod# .                / 
 5 7  56 9020 1 1 a    11  that ^we would :\use#                              / 
 5 7  56 9030 1 1 a    11  in ^order to re'duce !pr\ejudice#                  / 
 5 7  56 9040 1 1 a    11  in ^other w\ords#                                  / 
 5 7  57 9050 1 2 a    11  if we can ^get people to 'think a :little more     / 
 5 7  57 9050 1 1 a    11  cl/early# .                                        / 
 5 7  57 9060 1 1 a    11  to be ^l\ed# .                                     / 
 5 7  57 9070 1 1 a    11  ^by . !c\areful t/eachers# .                       / 
 5 7  57 9080 1 1 a    11  ^g\ently#                                          / 
 5 7  57 9090 1 1 a    11  and . ^by the :h\and#                              / 
 5 7  57 9100 1 1 a    11  ^talking 'all the w\ay#                            / 
 5 7  57 9110 1 1 a    11  that . ^they will be:come more . "!r\ational# -    / 
 5 7  57 9120 1 2 a    11  and the ^way in 'which they will !tackle           / 
 5 7  57 9120 1 1 a    11  !d\ifficult pr/oblems# .                           / 
 5 7  57 9130 1 1 a    11  ^w\ill 'be# .                                      / 
 5 7  57 9140 1 1 a    11  [@:m] more ^s\ensible#                             / 
 5 7  57 9150 1 1 a    11  more ^r\easonable#                                 / 
 5 7  57 9160 1 1 a    11  less ^v\iolent#                                    / 
 5 7  57 9170 1 1 a    11  less in^fl\ammatory# .                             / 
 5 7  57 9180 1 2 a    11  and the ^world 'therefore will :gradually be'come a/ 
 5 7  57 9180 1 1 a    11  :better place in 'which to l\ive# -                / 
 5 7  57 9190 1 1 a    11  [@:m] ^once people 'got the :id\ea#                / 
 5 7  57 9200 1 1 a    11  that ^women who did :funny th\ings#                / 
 5 7  57 9210 1 1 a    11  be^cause they were 'going through the !m\enopause# / 
 5 7  58 9220 1 1 a    11  ^weren`t really w\itches#                          / 
 5 7  58 9230 1 1 a    11  you ^didn`t have to !d\uck `em into p/onds# .      / 
 5 7  58 9240 1 1 a    11  ^or b\urn them# .                                  / 
 5 7  58 9250 1 1 a    11  [@:m] and ^you de'velop in 'this kind of :w\ay# .  / 
 5 7  58 9260 1 1 a    11  [@:m] I`m ^nineteenth 'century in :th\is sense#    / 
 5 7  58 9270 1 1 a    11  as I be^lie((ve)) . !very m\uch#                   / 
 5 7  58 9280 1 2 a    13  that ^if you . ^if you know [@v] e^nough of us can / 
 5 7  58 9280 1 1 a    13  . 'keep :c\alm#                                    / 
 5 7  58 9290 1 1 a    11  and ^under:st\and 'things#                         / 
 5 7  58 9300 1 1 a    11  we`ll have ^less !tr\ouble# .                      / 
 5 7  58 9310 1 1 a    11  now it ^m\ay 'be#                                  / 
 5 7  58 9320 1 1 a    11  that ^this is !s\o out of 'date n/ow#              / 
 5 7  58 9330 1 1 a    11  that [t] we`re ^fighting a :losing b\attle#        / 
 5 7  58 9340 1 1 a    11  [?] ^even on !th\at one# .                         / 
 5 7  58 9350 1 1 a    12  ^but _with . you ^kn\ow#                           / 
 5 7  58 9360 1 2 a    11  the ^passing of 'Bertie 'Russell 'made me !th\ink  / 
 5 7  58 9360 1 1 a    11  of th/is# .                                        / 
 5 7  59 9370 1 1 a    11  [@:m] ^he {bel\ieved} I th\ink# -                  / 
 5 7  59 9380 1 2 a    11  that it [@:m] - the sort of . ^good sc\ien'tific   / 
 5 7  59 9380 1 1 a    11  in{^t\elligence#}#                                 / 
 5 7  59 9390 1 1 a    11  ^h\olding it'self# .                               / 
 5 7  59 9400 1 1 a    11  a^long this :long j\ourney#                        / 
 5 7  59 9410 1 1 a    12  pro^duced a :world of - [@:] a ^b\etter 'world#    / 
 5 7  59 9420 1 1 a    11  be^cause there were !m\ore 'people /in it#         / 
 5 7  59 9430 1 1 a    11  ^who were _more !th\oughtful# .                    / 
 5 7  59 9440 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - and ^I`m just "!t\orn# .                   / 
 5 7  59 9450 1 1 a    11  to ^s\ay#                                          / 
 5 7  59 9460 1 1 a    11  ^{what I 'said ag/\ain} at the be:g\inning#        / 
 5 7  59 9470 1 1 a    11  ^I`m just !t\orn be'tween the th/ought#            / 
 5 7  59 9480 1 1 a    11  that ^r\eally#                                     / 
 5 7  59 9490 1 2 a    12  ^this is 'just a _journey one 'does for . ^by      / 
 5 7  59 9490 1 1 a    12  ones\elf# -                                        / 
 5 7  59 9500 1 1 a    11  and that . ^even if you _do reach "!s\omething#    / 
 5 7  59 9510 1 1 a    11  that ^seems like a 'level of underst\anding# -     / 
 5 7  59 9520 1 1 a    11  ^all you can 'do with it is kind of :n\urse it# -  / 
 5 7  59 9530 1 2 a    11  you know like the ^lovely chry_santhemum you`ve    / 
 5 7  59 9530 1 1 a    11  :grown in your :own g\arden#                       / 
 5 7  60 9540 1 1 a    11  if you [k] ^chop its 'head off it d\ies#           / 
 5 7  60 9550 2 1 a    21  *so you*                                           / 
 5 7  60 9560 1 1 c    20  *[@u]*                                             / 
 5 7  60 9550 1 1(a    11  can just ^keep it and :l\ook 'at it# .             / 
 5 7  60 9570 1 1 a    12  but ^I I would ^like to 'think it`s :not tr\ue#    / 
 5 7  60 9580 1 1 a    11  I would ^like to 'think you can :sh\are this# .    / 
 5 7  60 9590 1 1 a    11  and ^s\/ome'how#                                   / 
 5 7  60 9600 1 1 a    11  ^this will pro:d\uce# -                            / 
 5 7  60 9610 1 1 a    11  [@:m ?] ^good !p\ositive re'sults#                 / 
 5 7  60 9620 1 1 a    11  by ^which I m/\ean# .                              / 
 5 7  60 9630 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - . that ^people will 'find it more :\easy#  / 
 5 7  60 9640 1 1 a    11  to ^live with each :\other# .                      / 
 5 7  60 9650 1 1 a    11  and ^s\o on# -                                     / 
 5 7  60 9660 1 2 d    11  well [@] but [@] you`ve ^taken ((us)) 'right 'back / 
 5 7  60 9660 1 1 d    11  to the beg\inning#                                 / 
 5 7  61 9670 1 1 d    11  and in a ^s/ense#                                  / 
 5 7  61 9680 1 1 d    11  the dis^cussion has !\always#                      / 
 5 7  61 9690 1 1 d    11  ^been a'bout 'what [wd] :what _what _y\ou 'said#   / 
 5 7  61 9700 1 2 d    12  and ^what 'we said in re^pl\y to you at the _very  / 
 5 7  61 9700 1 1 d    12  be_ginning#                                        / 
 5 8   1   10 1 1 a    11  I saw ^P\auline last 'week#                        / 
 5 8   1   20 1 1 a    11  she was ^looking a _lot b\etter# .                 / 
 5 8   1   30 1 1 b    11  ^((what)) !d\/id you#                              / 
 5 8   1   40 1 1 b    11  ^what do you th\ink {^r\eally#}#                   / 
 5 8   1   50 1 1 b    20  [@:] .                                             / 
 5 8   1   60 1 1 a    11  ^oh she looked 'very :w\ell#                       / 
 5 8   1   70 1 1 a    12  ^not . ^not ex:actly !f\/at yet but#               / 
 5 8   1   80 1 1 b    20  ( - - laughs) *((2 sylls fattening yet))*          / 
 5 8   2   90 1 1 a    11  *well ^no she had* !((c\olour in))# .              / 
 5 8   2  100 1 1 a    11  she ^looked very !h\appy#                          / 
 5 8   2  110 1 1 b    11  ((did)) ^[?]sh/e#                                  / 
 5 8   2  120 1 1 b    11  I ^think she \is a lot 'happier#                   / 
 5 8   2  130 1 1 b    11  she was ^talking to 'me 'last n\ight#              / 
 5 8   2  140 1 1 b    11  and - I ^got the :general im:pr\ession#            / 
 5 8   3  150 1 1 b    11  because ^I was a !bit w\orried#                    / 
 5 8   3  160 1 1 b    11  ^how it would have 'worked _\out#                  / 
 5 8   3  170 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8   3  180 1 1(b    11  *and I* mean you ^can`t "s\ay# -                   / 
 5 8   3  190 1 1 b    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 8   3  200 1 1 b    11  ^is it 'working 'out all r\ight#                   / 
 5 8   3  210 1 1 b    11  ^\/I was 'happy#                                   / 
 5 8   3  220 1 1 b    11  but [@:] . I ^wondered how sh\e re_acted#          / 
 5 8   4  230 1 1 b    11  ^what she`d exp/ected and# -                       / 
 5 8   4  240 1 1 b    12  ^she [@:] ^seemed !v\ery 'happy#                   / 
 5 8   4  250 1 1 b    11  ((2 sylls)) we`re ^going to 'have a p\/arty#       / 
 5 8   4  260 1 1 b    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8   4  270 1 1 a    11  *^/are you#;.*;                                    / 
 5 8   4  280 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8   4  290 1 1 b    11  she ^came into my 'room last n/ight#               / 
 5 8   5  300 1 1 b    11  and . ^crouched on the b/ed and# -                 / 
 5 8   5  310 1 2 b    11  ((1 syll ^2 sylls)) . _went off and 'started       / 
 5 8   5  310 1 1 b    11  in_v\iting p/eople#                                / 
 5 8   5  320 1 1 b    11  but [@:] ^this is for :Chr\istmas# -               / 
 5 8   5  330 1 2 b    11  [@?] because ^she`s not :d\oing anything for       / 
 5 8   5  330 1 1 b    11  'Christmas at the m/oment#                         / 
 5 8   5  340 1 1 b    12  ^I don`t know :what - ^seems !\awful#              / 
 5 8   5  350 1 1 b    11  because ^Helen and :I are :going :h\/ome#          / 
 5 8   6  360 2 2 b    22  [@] *and ^she`s* 'staying - - oh well her ^father`s/ 
 5 8   6  360 2 1 b    22  'going to be                                       / 
 5 8   6  370 1 1 a    21  *and ^she`s*                                       / 
 5 8   6  360 1 1(b    12  a:w\ay you s/ee# -                                 / 
 5 8   6  380 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8   7  390 1 1 b    11  and [@] - - she`s "^just m\entioned#               / 
 5 8   7  400 1 1 b    11  ^every 'now and th\en#                             / 
 5 8   7  410 1 1 b    11  that it`s ^going to be 'rather !gl\oomy#           / 
 5 8   7  420 1 1 b    20  *and I*                                            / 
 5 8   7  430 1 1 a    11  *it`s ^going* to be !t\errible for her#            / 
 5 8   7  440 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 8   7  450 1 1 b    12  so I ^don`t know 'what ^[i?] I f\eel#              / 
 5 8   8  460 1 1 b    11  ^y\ou _know# .                                     / 
 5 8   8  470 1 2 b    12  "^I [w] "^I ((will)) 'probably 'only 'go a'way for / 
 5 8   8  470 1 1 b    12  'Christmas D\ay#                                   / 
 5 8   8  480 1 2 b    12  and and ^when I ^don`t know 'what we`re 'going to  / 
 5 8   8  480 1 1 b    12  'do at :h\ome#                                     / 
 5 8   8  490 1 1 b    11  I ^mean she ((could)) 'come !h\ome# -              / 
 5 8   8  500 1 1 b    11  but [@m] it de^pends . "what we`re d\oing and#     / 
 5 8   8  510 1 1 b    11  ^y\ou _know#                                       / 
 5 8   8  520 1 1 b    12  ^how ^how the 'rest of the . f\/amily# *-*         / 
 5 8   8  530 1 1 b    11  ^are dis!p\osed#                                   / 
 5 8   9  540 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8   9  550 1 2 a    12  ^doesn`t she _have [@m] she ^has a brother and     / 
 5 8   9  550 1 1 a    12  !s\ister#                                          / 
 5 8   9  560 1 1 b    11  ^[/\m]#                                            / 
 5 8   9  570 1 1 b    11  ^th\/ey`re 'going a'way#                           / 
 5 8   9  580 1 1 b    11  to ^Gr\eece or s/omewhere# -                       / 
 5 8  10  590 1 1 a    11  to ^wh/ere# -                                      / 
 5 8  10  600 1 1 b    11  I ^think they`re 'going to :Gr\eece#               / 
 5 8  10  610 1 1 a    11  ^Gr\eece#                                          / 
 5 8  10  620 1 1 b    11  [@:m] "^n\o {I ^don`t kn\ow#}#                     / 
 5 8  10  630 1 1 b    11  [@:m] they`re ^going a:br\oad 'somewhere# - -      / 
 5 8  10  640 1 1 b    11  but . ^quite wh\ere#                               / 
 5 8  10  650 1 1 b    11  I`m . ^not s\ure# -                                / 
 5 8  11  660 1 1 b    12  [@] - ^we were ^we were :th\inking of 'doing#      / 
 5 8  11  670 1 1 b    11  ^Christmas p\uddings#                              / 
 5 8  11  680 1 1 b    11  and ^Christmas c\akes#                             / 
 5 8  11  690 2 1 b    21  *but we`ve ^come*                                  / 
 5 8  11  700 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8  11  690 1 1(b    11  'down to _doing _mince-!!p=ies#                    / 
 5 8  11  710 1 1 b    20  ( - +-+ laughs)                                    / 
 5 8  12  720 1 1 a    20  +( - laughs)+                                      / 
 5 8  12  730 1 1 b    11  I`m ^still on the . on the :c\ooking 'lark#        / 
 5 8  12  740 1 2 b    13  but [@] - - ^I`ve . ^I`ve . I`ve ^lowered my       / 
 5 8  12  740 1 1 b    13  'sights a _b\it and# .                             / 
 5 8  12  750 1 1 b    11  I made ^cauliflower :ch\eese on S/unday#           / 
 5 8  12  760 1 1 b    11  and ^that was 'quite suc:c\essful#                 / 
 5 8  13  770 1 1 a    11  ^f\unny#                                           / 
 5 8  13  780 1 1 a    11  ^that`s what !\I 'started with#                    / 
 5 8  13  790 1 1 a    11  *^cauliflower ch\eese#*                            / 
 5 8  13  800 1 2 b    11  *( - laughs)* - well they`re so ^r\easonable at the/ 
 5 8  13  800 1 1 b    11  m/oment you 'see#                                  / 
 5 8  13  810 1 1 b    11  and [@:m] I ^thought well I I !{\ought} at :l\east#/ 
 5 8  14  820 1 1 b    11  to ^know 'how to do th/at#                         / 
 5 8  14  830 1 1 b    11  but ^having a'chieved a 'white s\auce#             / 
 5 8  14  840 1 1 b    11  or a ^ch\eese 'sauce# -                            / 
 5 8  14  850 1 1 b    11  I I ^felt [@] - _things were _all r\ight# - - -    / 
 5 8  14  860 1 2 b    12  and I`ve got ^R\achel 'coming for 'supper on - -   / 
 5 8  14  860 1 1 b    12  ^Th\ursday *n/ight#*                               / 
 5 8  15  870 1 1 a    11  *^Rachel* N\ewton#                                 / 
 5 8  15  880 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  15  890 1 1 b    11  ^that`s r/ight#                                    / 
 5 8  15  900 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 8  15  910 1 2 b    12  ^she [@m] - well she((`d)) ^pr\omised {to come     / 
 5 8  15  910 1 1 b    12  ^\over#}#                                          / 
 5 8  15  920 1 1 b    11  ^y\ou _know#                                       / 
 5 8  15  930 1 1 b    12  ^I`ve ^I`ve been 'down to h\er {for a ^week\end#}# / 
 5 8  15  940 1 1 b    11  and [@] - ^so [@] !\anyway#                        / 
 5 8  16  950 1 1 b    11  she ^rang me :\up#                                 / 
 5 8  16  960 1 1 b    11  and she was ^very "w\orried#                       / 
 5 8  16  970 1 1 b    11  a^bout her _c\ourse and *((_everything))#*         / 
 5 8  16  980 1 1 a    12  *^has* ^has it impr/oved#                          / 
 5 8  16  990 1 2 a    11  cos ^I had a 'long . 'talk to her about *. _two    / 
 5 8  16  990 1 1 a    11  weeks ag\o#*                                       / 
 5 8  16 1000 1 1 b    11  *oh ^d\id you#*                                    / 
 5 8  16 1010 1 1 b    11  ^\oh# - -                                          / 
 5 8  17 1020 1 1 a    11  sort of . es"^s\entially 'really#                  / 
 5 8  17 1030 2 1 a    21  ^told **her** to !get "!t\ough                     / 
 5 8  17 1040 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 5 8  17 1030 1 1(a    11  a'bout it# .                                       / 
 5 8  17 1050 2 1 a    21  *((and if she)) I* ^don`t know if                  / 
 5 8  17 1060 1 1 b    11  *well ^that`s what :\I said#*                      / 
 5 8  18 1050 1 1(a    11  it was 'good :p\/olicy#                            / 
 5 8  18 1070 1 1 a    11  but . it ^seemed the 'only 'thing to !s\ay#        / 
 5 8  18 1080 1 1 a    11  she was in ^such a m\ess#                          / 
 5 8  18 1090 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  18 1100 1 1 a    11  ^m\ind you I#                                      / 
 5 8  18 1110 1 1 a    11  I ^felt ( - laughs) !!quite a h\ypocrite#          / 
 5 8  18 1120 1 2 a    11  ^telling her 'this when 'I ((was)) in such a 'mess / 
 5 8  18 1120 1 1 a    11  over :m\ine#                                       / 
 5 8  19 1130 1 1 b    11  well ^that`s what !\I 'thought#                    / 
 5 8  19 1140 1 1 b    11  I I was ^s\aying to her# .                         / 
 5 8  19 1150 1 1 b    11  [@:] . well ^\I got 'into a st/ate# .              / 
 5 8  19 1160 1 1 b    11  and ^I re_member !this 'time _last y\/ear#         / 
 5 8  19 1170 1 1 b    11  I was saying ^oh there`s 'so much w/ork#           / 
 5 8  20 1180 1 1 b    11  I`ll ^never get "thr\/ough it#                     / 
 5 8  20 1190 1 1 b    11  and ^all the 'people I 'haven`t d\/one#            / 
 5 8  20 1200 1 1 a    11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  20 1210 1 1(b    11  *and* . ^th/is _kind of 'thing#                    / 
 5 8  20 1220 1 1 b    11  that [@] - I ^don`t . kn\/ow#                      / 
 5 8  20 1230 1 1 b    12  ^they they ^seem to 'have this _p\olicy#           / 
 5 8  21 1240 1 1 b    11  of of [@m] ^s/aying#                               / 
 5 8  21 1250 1 1 b    11  well - you ^mustn`t 'write tu'torial /essays#      / 
 5 8  21 1260 1 1 b    11  [@:] - ^with the ex'ams in !m\ind#                 / 
 5 8  21 1270 1 1 b    11  and I ^don`t 'see at :th\/is stage#                / 
 5 8  21 1280 1 1 b    11  ^how - she can a!v\oid it# - -                     / 
 5 8  21 1290 1 1 a    11  ^no !\I don`t#                                     / 
 5 8  21 1300 1 1 a    12  ^I I ^don`t at !\all#                              / 
 5 8  22 1310 1 2 a    11  I - - - I ^think she`s 'got quite a :pr\oblem      / 
 5 8  22 1310 1 1 a    11  'there#                                            / 
 5 8  22 1320 1 2 a    11  un^less she 'actually ( . laughs) 'sort of         / 
 5 8  22 1320 1 1 a    11  in!s\/ists in a 'way#                              / 
 5 8  22 1330 1 1 a    20  and *. ((4 to 5 sylls))*                           / 
 5 8  22 1340 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]# .                                          / 
 5 8  22 1350 1 1 b    11  well "^\I sug'gested#                              / 
 5 8  22 1360 1 1 b    11  she* ^had a 'word with _someone :\else#            / 
 5 8  22 1370 1 1 b    11  but [m] *[ae]* and ^outlined her :w\orries#        / 
 5 8  23 1380 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  23 1390 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  23 1400 1 1(b    11  but I I ^when I :thought of it :\/afterwards#      / 
 5 8  23 1410 1 1 b    11  it ^would be a 'difficult situ\ation# - -          / 
 5 8  23 1420 1 1 a    11  ^well you kn\ow#                                   / 
 5 8  23 1430 1 2 a    12  [l] ( - laughs) ^if [@:m] - ^if ((people like))    / 
 5 8  23 1430 1 1 a    12  :tutors 'can`t . :can`t be ab/ove#                 / 
 5 8  24 1440 1 1 a    11  sort of ^personal f/eelings# *-*                   / 
 5 8  24 1450 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#* - -                                       / 
 5 8  24 1460 1 1 b    11  "^y\es#                                            / 
 5 8  24 1470 1 1 b    11  but **they "^are h\uman#**                         / 
 5 8  24 1480 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#                                           / 
 5 8  24 1490 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#**                                           / 
 5 8  24 1500 1 1 b    11  so I ^think she`s 'got a pr\oblem# -               / 
 5 8  24 1510 1 1 b    11  ^\anyway#                                          / 
 5 8  24 1520 1 1 b    11  she`s ^going to . "c\ome on 'Thursday#             / 
 5 8  25 1530 1 1 b    11  and she said for ^heaven`s s\ake#                  / 
 5 8  25 1540 1 1 b    11  ^don`t get 'any . elaborate s\upper# .             / 
 5 8  25 1550 1 1 a    20  *( - - laughs)*                                    / 
 5 8  25 1560 1 1(b    11  *((because)) I ^want to !t\alk#* - -               / 
 5 8  25 1570 1 1 b    11  ^s=o#                                              / 
 5 8  25 1580 1 2 b    11  [@] I ^thought I`d 'do 'something 'fairly          / 
 5 8  25 1580 1 1 b    11  s\imple# .                                         / 
 5 8  26 1590 1 1 b    11  ^and w\/arm# -                                     / 
 5 8  26 1600 1 1 b    11  and ^then we`ll . _scarper 'off _upst\airs#        / 
 5 8  26 1610 1 1 b    11  and *-* and ^ch\at# -                              / 
 5 8  26 1620 1 1 b    20  **((so))**                                         / 
 5 8  26 1630 1 1 a    11  *^y=es#* -                                         / 
 5 8  26 1640 1 1 a    11  **^yes** she was !!terribly f\unny#                / 
 5 8  26 1650 1 1 a    11  about ^three w\eeks ago#                           / 
 5 8  26 1660 1 1 a    11  she ^came \in# -                                   / 
 5 8  26 1670 1 1 a    11  saying ^oh my - G\od#                              / 
 5 8  26 1680 1 1 a    12  ^I [fi] ^I feel !t\errible# - -                    / 
 5 8  27 1690 1 1 a    12  and [@] she ^some ^some man had pro_p\osed to her# / 
 5 8  27 1700 1 1 a    11  the ^night be!f\ore#                               / 
 5 8  27 1710 1 1 a    20  and *( - laughs)*                                  / 
 5 8  27 1720 1 1 b    11  *^oh n\o#;-*;                                      / 
 5 8  27 1730 1 1 b    11  ^poor R/achel#                                     / 
 5 8  27 1740 1 1 a    11  it had com^pletely [@:] :put her off b\alance#     / 
 5 8  27 1750 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) she`d ^((s\ort of))# *.*               / 
 5 8  28 1760 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  28 1770 1 1(a    11  ^seen a :friend fly :out of the :w\indow#          / 
 5 8  28 1780 1 1 a    11  as ((he`d)) be^come too \intimate#                 / 
 5 8  28 1790 1 1 a    11  and it was - it was ^terribly str\ange#            / 
 5 8  28 1800 1 2 a    11  be^cause she`s a _strange 'mixture of - - of 'being/ 
 5 8  28 1800 1 1 a    11  [s@] :somewhat \older#                             / 
 5 8  28 1810 1 2 a    11  and ^yet at the _same _time _rather . !rather      / 
 5 8  28 1810 1 1 a    11  !y\oung she appears#                               / 
 5 8  29 1820 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  29 1830 1 1 b    11  well ^that`s the the the :funny !th\ing#           / 
 5 8  29 1840 1 2 b    11  because it . ^wasn`t till [@:] - :{r\eally} this   / 
 5 8  29 1840 1 1 b    11  :s\/ummer# .                                       / 
 5 8  29 1850 1 1 b    11  when ^I was 'going :d\own to her#                  / 
 5 8  29 1860 1 1 b    11  and I ^said to my :m\other#                        / 
 5 8  29 1870 1 1 b    12  ^oh . I`m . I`m ^going to see :R\/achel# -         / 
 5 8  30 1880 1 1 b    11  [@:m] it ^suddenly str\uck me#                     / 
 5 8  30 1890 1 1 b    11  that ^Rachel was . :really 'more :h\/er age#       / 
 5 8  30 1900 1 1 b    11  than ^m\ine#                                       / 
 5 8  30 1910 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 5 8  30 1920 1 1 b    11  and ^y=et# .                                       / 
 5 8  30 1930 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not as 'though she`s _imma!t\ure# .          / 
 5 8  30 1940 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t th/ink#                                   / 
 5 8  31 1950 1 1 a    11  ^[@m] !n\o#                                        / 
 5 8  31 1960 1 1(b    11  [@:] ex^/actly#                                    / 
 5 8  31 1970 1 1 b    12  it she`s ^just [@ - m] ^w\ell#                     / 
 5 8  31 1980 1 2 b    11  I ^just never _think of the _time or the {\age} .  / 
 5 8  31 1980 1 1 b    11  *!d\iff*erence# - -                                / 
 5 8  31 1990 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  31 2000 1 2(b    12  she ^it`s [i] per^haps she 'has to 'make an        / 
 5 8  31 2000 1 1(b    12  /\effort#                                          / 
 5 8  32 2010 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t kn/\ow#                                   / 
 5 8  32 2020 1 2 b    12  to . ex"^cept that with her :daughter 'being       / 
 5 8  32 2020 1 1 b    12  :r\oughly our ^well not :r\/oughly our 'age#       / 
 5 8  32 2030 1 1 b    11  but ^she`s eight*\een# .                           / 
 5 8  32 2040 1 1 b    11  ((about)) ^m\y age#                                / 
 5 8  32 2050 1 1 a    11  *^that`s y\our age#                                / 
 5 8  32 2060 1 1 a    11  ( - . laughs) I`m ^s/orry#                         / 
 5 8  32 2070 1 1 a    20  ( - - - laughs)*                                   / 
 5 8  32 2080 1 1(b    11  ( - - - laughs) [@:]* - ^I sup!p=ose# -            / 
 5 8  32 2090 1 2 b    11  ^she [@] - - per'haps is \/used to 'fitting [i] and/ 
 5 8  32 2090 1 1 b    11  her s\on of 'course#                               / 
 5 8  32 2100 1 1 b    11  is . ^\older#                                      / 
 5 8  32 2110 1 1 b    11  [?@] ^he`s in his !tw\enties# -                    / 
 5 8  32 2120 2 1 b    21  *[@:m]* - -                                        / 
 5 8  33 2130 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  33 2120 1 2(b    11  so she ^must be \used to _getting _on with a _lot  / 
 5 8  33 2120 1 1(b    11  of _younger p/eople#                               / 
 5 8  33 2140 1 1 b    11  [@:] and ^joining in :w\/ith them# -               / 
 5 8  33 2150 1 2 b    11  and she ^always 'strikes me {as in:credibly y\oung}/ 
 5 8  33 2150 1 1 b    11  in 'in her - in her :w\/ays#                       / 
 5 8  33 2160 1 1 b    11  which is ^l\ovely# - -                             / 
 5 8  33 2170 1 1 b    20  and . *((1 syll))*                                 / 
 5 8  33 2180 1 1 a    11  *yes* I`ve ^used her :gh\/ost story#               / 
 5 8  33 2190 1 1 a    11  ^so many t\/imes#                                  / 
 5 8  33 2200 1 2 a    11  you know the ^one a"bout - . the 'haunted 'house in/ 
 5 8  33 2200 1 1 a    11  - in R\eigate# .                                   / 
 5 8  34 2210 1 1 b    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 8  34 2220 1 1 b    11  ^she didn`t t\ell me *((that))#*                   / 
 5 8  34 2230 1 2 a    12  *^oh* she :t\old me 'this [@:m] - ^think it was .  / 
 5 8  34 2230 1 1 a    12  be'fore the 'second to 'last . :f\inals ex'am#     / 
 5 8  34 2240 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  34 2250 1 2 a    12  ^when we were . we were ^sitting in the            / 
 5 8  34 2250 1 1 a    12  'can!t\een# -                                      / 
 5 8  34 2260 1 2 a    11  and she [s] ^oh do you 'know the :haunted !house in/ 
 5 8  34 2260 1 1 a    11  :R\eigate#                                         / 
 5 8  34 2270 1 1 a    11  and pro^ceeded to 'tell me th/is# *-               / 
 5 8  35 2280 1 1 b    11  *( - laughs) ((well)) "^what \is it#               / 
 5 8  35 2290 1 1 b    11  ^th\at`s#*                                         / 
 5 8  35 2300 1 1 a    11  ^pl\ease#;-*;                                      / 
 5 8  35 2310 1 1 a    11  ^Jennie :st\op# - - -                              / 
 5 8  35 2320 1 1 a    11  oh just ^how she was :staying a:l\one in# -        / 
 5 8  35 2330 1 1 a    11  the [@m] - ^\older p/art#                          / 
 5 8  35 2340 1 1 a    11  of a ^t\/otally 'very 'old# .                      / 
 5 8  35 2350 1 1 a    11  ^daub and !w\attle 'house#                         / 
 5 8  35 2360 1 1 b    11  ^[\/m]#                                            / 
 5 8  35 2370 1 1 a    11  and ^how she _((heard)) re:p\eated# .              / 
 5 8  35 2380 1 1 a    11  "^bangs on the !c\eiling# -                        / 
 5 8  35 2390 1 1 a    11  ^thinking it was her s\on#                         / 
 5 8  35 2400 1 1 a    11  she ^f\inally#                                     / 
 5 8  35 2410 1 1 a    11  [s] ^dashed 'upst\airs to# .                       / 
 5 8  35 2420 1 1 a    11  to con^fr\/ont him 'with it#                       / 
 5 8  36 2430 1 1 a    11  and ^make him 'get into b/ed# .                    / 
 5 8  36 2440 1 1 a    11  and there was ^nobody th\ere#                      / 
 5 8  36 2450 1 1 b    20  ( - laughs) *((2 sylls))*                          / 
 5 8  36 2460 1 1 a    11  *^and 'how* 'her !d\aughter had become# .          / 
 5 8  36 2470 1 1 a    11  ^slightly cr\azy#                                  / 
 5 8  36 2480 1 2 a    11  ^even though she ((was)) _only . about _five years / 
 5 8  36 2480 1 1 a    11  \old#                                              / 
 5 8  36 2490 1 1 a    11  ^while she was th\ere#                             / 
 5 8  36 2500 1 1 a    11  and ^used to !peer _round !d\oors#                 / 
 5 8  36 2510 1 2 a    11  and ap^pear to be com_municating with *- with      / 
 5 8  36 2510 1 1 a    11  !!s\/omething#                                     / 
 5 8  37 2520 1 1 a    20  ( - - laughs)*                                     / 
 5 8  37 2530 1 2 b    11  *( - laughs) well it ^does sound a 'bit like* the  / 
 5 8  37 2530 1 1 b    11  :Turn of the !Scr\ew or s/omething#;**-;           / 
 5 8  37 2540 1 1 b    11  ^d\oesn`t it#**                                    / 
 5 8  37 2550 1 1 a    11  ^yes it **d\oes a b/it#**                          / 
 5 8  37 2560 1 1 a    12  ^yes she [s] ^actually it was :m\arvellous#        / 
 5 8  37 2570 1 1 a    11  she ^told us this st/ory#                          / 
 5 8  37 2580 1 2 a    11  when we were ^all 'feeling [@d] :all . 'feeling    / 
 5 8  37 2580 1 1 a    11  :absolutely dr/\eadful# .                          / 
 5 8  37 2590 1 1 a    11  and [@m] - it ^really sort of :livened us :\up#    / 
 5 8  38 2600 1 1 a    11  for the ^after'noon`s ex:\am#                      / 
 5 8  38 2610 1 1 a    11  we ^didn`t feel !h\alf as 'bad#                    / 
 5 8  38 2620 1 1 a    11  when we . *when we ^g/ot there#                    / 
 5 8  38 2630 1 1 a    20  ((1 to 2 sylls))*                                  / 
 5 8  38 2640 1 2 b    12  *( - - - laughs)* - - ^I`d I ^think I be:l\ieve in / 
 5 8  38 2640 1 1 b    12  'ghosts#                                           / 
 5 8  38 2650 1 1 b    11  [i] in in ^that w\ay# .                            / 
 5 8  38 2660 1 2 b    11  I ^mean I !don`t be'lieve in - the :\ordinary      / 
 5 8  38 2660 1 1 b    11  gh/ost#                                            / 
 5 8  38 2670 1 2 b    11  but . the ^some kind of :spiritual pr\/esence I    / 
 5 8  38 2670 1 1 b    11  _think# -                                          / 
 5 8  38 2680 1 1 b    12  I ^think is . there are ^too !m\any oc'currences#  / 
 5 8  39 2690 1 1 b    11  I mean it ^c\ould#                                 / 
 5 8  39 2700 1 1 b    11  this "^b\anging on {the ^c\eiling#}#               / 
 5 8  39 2710 1 1 b    11  could have been ^water in the !p\ipes#             / 
 5 8  39 2720 1 1 b    11  or or the ^central !h\eating or _something#        / 
 5 8  39 2730 1 1 b    11  ^if they :h\/ave it# - -                           / 
 5 8  39 2740 1 1 b    11  ^I *supp/ose#*                                     / 
 5 8  39 2750 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  39 2760 1 1 b    11  I [mi:] "^I`ve found th/is#                        / 
 5 8  39 2770 1 1 b    11  at at ^Tufnell !P\ark#                             / 
 5 8  39 2780 1 1 b    11  [@m] - because ^every'body . is /out#              / 
 5 8  39 2790 1 1 b    11  ^during the d/ay 'or# .                            / 
 5 8  39 2800 1 1 b    11  at ^l\east# .                                      / 
 5 8  39 2810 1 1 b    11  ^people 'come in at !odd _t\imes#                  / 
 5 8  40 2820 1 1 b    11  ^s\ometimes for /instance#                         / 
 5 8  40 2830 1 1 b    11  [?@] this ^girl who`s 'working at the _BB!\C#      / 
 5 8  40 2840 1 1 b    11  you see ^she has all :different !sh\ift hours# -   / 
 5 8  40 2850 1 1 b    11  and she`s ^in and \out#                            / 
 5 8  40 2860 1 1 b    11  [@m] . ^but there`re !quite \often# .              / 
 5 8  40 2870 1 1 b    11  I suppose ^six or 'seven h\ours#                   / 
 5 8  40 2880 1 1 b    11  when I`m ^really 'on my \own#                      / 
 5 8  40 2890 1 1 b    11  which is "^l\ovely# -                              / 
 5 8  40 2900 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - but ^when I`m {s\itting} up:st\airs#       / 
 5 8  41 2910 1 1 b    11  you ^hear n/oises#                                 / 
 5 8  41 2920 1 1 b    11  and . ^d/oors 'creak#                              / 
 5 8  41 2930 1 1 b    11  and and ^doors "!\open in 'fact#                   / 
 5 8  41 2940 1 1 b    11  though I`ve I`ve ^found 'that`s just the :dr\aught#/ 
 5 8  41 2950 1 1 b    11  but - ^course at the be!g\inning#                  / 
 5 8  41 2960 1 1 b    11  I`d I`d ^get \up#                                  / 
 5 8  41 2970 1 1 b    11  and ^go \out#                                      / 
 5 8  41 2980 1 1 b    11  and say ^\oh#                                      / 
 5 8  41 2990 1 1 b    11  ^y\/ou 'know#                                      / 
 5 8  41 3000 1 1 b    11  ^who`s th\ere# -                                   / 
 5 8  41 3010 1 1 b    11  *-* and [@] . there`s ^nobody at !\all# .          / 
 5 8  42 3020 1 1 a    20  *( . laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8  42 3030 1 2(b    11  and [@] - - oh a ^thing that t\errifies me         / 
 5 8  42 3030 1 1(b    11  :{^t\oo#}#                                         / 
 5 8  42 3040 1 1 b    11  is is ^having a !g\as-'stove# .                    / 
 5 8  42 3050 1 2 b    16  ^just ^just be'cause ^I ^I ^I [g] ^soon got :used  / 
 5 8  42 3050 1 1 b    16  to :\/using it#                                    / 
 5 8  42 3060 1 2 b    11  it ^wasn`t that 'there was any :d\ifficulty        / 
 5 8  42 3060 1 1 b    11  inv/olved#                                         / 
 5 8  42 3070 1 2 b    11  but . I ^always 'have this :terrible 'fear that    / 
 5 8  42 3070 1 1 b    11  I`ve :left the _gas !\on#                          / 
 5 8  42 3080 1 1 b    11  or ^left {s\omething} \on# .                       / 
 5 8  42 3090 1 1 b    11  the "^\oven 'on#                                   / 
 5 8  43 3100 1 1 b    11  ^someone 'left the \oven 'on _once#                / 
 5 8  43 3110 1 1 b    12  ^I it ^wasn`t m\/e#                                / 
 5 8  43 3120 1 2 b    12  but ( - sighs) ^I [@] I ^have this !f\ear of the   / 
 5 8  43 3120 1 1 b    12  g/as-*'stove#;-*;                                  / 
 5 8  43 3130 1 1 b    11  when I`m ^on my \own#                              / 
 5 8  43 3140 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8  43 3150 1 1(b    11  or ^going \out#                                    / 
 5 8  43 3160 1 1 b    11  or [?] and ^leaving the _{h\ouse} on its \own# -   / 
 5 8  43 3170 1 1 b    11  as it ^w/ere#                                      / 
 5 8  43 3180 1 1 II   20  (cut in tape)                                      / 
 5 8  43 3190 1 1 b    11  but ^\anyway#                                      / 
 5 8  43 3200 1 1 b    12  ^how ^how did [@:] 'Tom get 'on in Am\erica# -     / 
 5 8  44 3210 1 1 a    11  ^\oh _he [@:m]# - -                                / 
 5 8  44 3220 1 1 a    11  he ^had a "!m\ixed 'time r/eally# .                / 
 5 8  44 3230 1 1 a    11  ^it was a !sh\ame {to the ex^t\ent#}#              / 
 5 8  44 3240 1 1 a    11  he ^went with - with s\omebody with 'whom he`d# .  / 
 5 8  44 3250 1 1 a    11  ^never been a'way *bef\ore#*                       / 
 5 8  44 3260 2 1 a    21  and [@m] - - it was ^also this 'man`s              / 
 5 8  44 3270 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  45 3260 1 1(a    11  :first 'time ((of)) b\eing in A'merica# -          / 
 5 8  45 3280 1 1 a    11  ^and he was _very !sh\ocked by the 'place#         / 
 5 8  45 3290 1 1 a    11  be^cause you know !being in the 'deep S\outh#      / 
 5 8  45 3300 1 1 a    11  it was [@:m] - - ^very c\ommon#                    / 
 5 8  45 3310 1 1 a    11  to [s] ^g\/o down the 'street#                     / 
 5 8  45 3320 1 2 a    13  and ^have . ^half . ^half a 'dozen _coloured       / 
 5 8  45 3320 1 1 a    13  _people _impor_tuning _you for their w\atches#     / 
 5 8  45 3330 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  46 3340 1 1 a    11  and and ^things like :th\is#                       / 
 5 8  46 3350 1 1 a    11  [@m] - ^oh and 'just 'people 'asking for m\oney# - / 
 5 8  46 3360 1 1 a    11  for ^{dr\inks} and !f\ood all the t/ime#           / 
 5 8  46 3370 1 2 a    11  was sort of - - ^slightly "{h\arrowing} I          / 
 5 8  46 3370 1 1 a    11  sup:p\/ose#                                        / 
 5 8  46 3380 1 1 a    11  if you - ^not 'used to it !h\ere#                  / 
 5 8  46 3390 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]# -                                           / 
 5 8  46 3400 1 1 a    11  ^and [@m] - - !not s\imply th/at but# - - -        / 
 5 8  46 3410 1 2 a    11  ^Thomas [@m] 'reckoned that the :whole 'place was  / 
 5 8  46 3410 1 1 a    11  :totally [@m] :\/orgasm-_minded {^\/anyway#}#      / 
 5 8  46 3420 1 2 a    11  which ^which he 'found ((it)) 'rather              / 
 5 8  46 3420 1 1 a    11  'off-p\utting# -                                   / 
 5 8  47 3430 1 1 a    11  ^and [@m] - - they \also 'felt that# -             / 
 5 8  47 3440 1 1 a    11  there`s a ^tremendous 'level of dish\onesty#       / 
 5 8  47 3450 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  47 3460 1 2 a    11  ^in that - - they were 'meeting - - 'clients . and / 
 5 8  47 3460 1 1 a    11  b\usiness men {the ^whole t\ime#}# -               / 
 5 8  47 3470 1 2 a    11  ^who in the 'evenings _were - _talking a'bout what / 
 5 8  47 3470 1 1 a    11  'great fr\iends they all 'were to_gether#          / 
 5 8  48 3480 2 1 a    21  *and* the the ^next                                / 
 5 8  48 3490 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  48 3480 1 1(a    11  m\orning#                                          / 
 5 8  48 3500 1 2 a    11  ((they)) were ^doing 'deals be'hind each 'other`s  / 
 5 8  48 3500 1 1 a    11  b\/acks **and 'so** on# -                          / 
 5 8  48 3510 2 1 a    21  ^which - !Thomas and .                             / 
 5 8  48 3520 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 8  48 3510 1 1(a    11  th=is _man#                                        / 
 5 8  48 3530 1 1 a    12  ^[di] . ^just 'didn`t 'seem to be :\used to# .     / 
 5 8  49 3540 1 1 b    11  I ^think - 'this is 'probably a :d\ifference#      / 
 5 8  49 3550 1 1 b    11  be^tween 'English and A:m\ericans#                 / 
 5 8  49 3560 1 1 b    11  [?@] it`s ^probably :ironing :\/out but# -         / 
 5 8  49 3570 1 1 b    12  the ^i'dea [?] I I sup^pose the _\old i_dea#       / 
 5 8  49 3580 1 1 b    11  of a ^certain {c\ode} of beh\aviour# -             / 
 5 8  49 3590 1 1 b    11  what what ^\I would 'call#                         / 
 5 8  49 3600 1 1 b    11  ^being a g\entleman# .                             / 
 5 8  49 3610 1 1 b    11  [@:m] which ^even if 'people _weren`t rel\igious# ./ 
 5 8  49 3620 1 1 b    11  they would ^live !\up to#                          / 
 5 8  49 3630 2 1 b    22  ^what what ^wasn`t 'right *or*                     / 
 5 8  50 3640 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  50 3630 1 1(b    12  :h\onourable#                                      / 
 5 8  50 3650 1 1 b    11  [?@] et^c\etera# -                                 / 
 5 8  50 3660 1 2 b    11  [@:m] I ^think it 'still 'lingers :\on a 'little   / 
 5 8  50 3660 1 1 b    11  'over *h/ere#* .                                   / 
 5 8  50 3670 1 1 b    11  "^not not 'nearly so :m\uch#                       / 
 5 8  50 3680 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  50 3690 1 2(b    11  but . [@:m] - - I ^mean the !older 'kind of        / 
 5 8  50 3690 1 1(b    11  _poli!t\ician# -                                   / 
 5 8  50 3700 1 1 b    11  ^say Mac!m\illan#                                  / 
 5 8  50 3710 1 1 b    11  as op^posed to _Wilson or :H\eath# -               / 
 5 8  51 3720 1 1 b    12  you ^feel - I I ^don`t kn\ow#                      / 
 5 8  51 3730 1 1 b    11  per^haps I`m . !totally wr\ong#                    / 
 5 8  51 3740 1 1 b    12  but I ^feel 'he was - he ^had a 'certain :c\ode#   / 
 5 8  51 3750 1 1 b    11  there were ^certain \areas#                        / 
 5 8  51 3760 1 1 b    11  where you ^feel he !w\ouldn`t#                     / 
 5 8  51 3770 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 5 8  51 3780 1 2 b    13  be^cause [i i i] well it ^wasn`t it ^wouldn`t have / 
 5 8  51 3780 1 1 b    13  'been . _being a !g\entleman#                      / 
 5 8  52 3790 1 1 b    11  *((^2 sylls a 'certain !th\ing#))*                 / 
 5 8  52 3800 1 1 a    11  *((I ^s\ee#                                        / 
 5 8  52 3810 1 1 a    11  ^only trouble /is that#))*                         / 
 5 8  52 3820 1 1 a    11  I sup^p\ose#                                       / 
 5 8  52 3830 1 1 a    11  you ^c\an 'say#                                    / 
 5 8  52 3840 1 1 a    11  that it ^leads to a hor:rific bl\indness#          / 
 5 8  52 3850 1 1 a    11  in that ^if one _looks at Macmillan`s sp\eech# -   / 
 5 8  52 3860 1 2 a    11  ((in which he`s)) ^commenting _on . the 'Cuban     / 
 5 8  52 3860 1 1 a    11  cr\isis#                                           / 
 5 8  52 3870 2 1 a    21  and *they*                                         / 
 5 8  53 3880 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  53 3870 1 1(a    11  ^say to h\im# .                                    / 
 5 8  53 3890 1 2 a    11  ^what 'steps did you 'take for the 'country`s      / 
 5 8  53 3890 1 1 a    11  def\ence#                                          / 
 5 8  53 3900 1 1 a    11  he says ^\oh w/ell# -                              / 
 5 8  53 3910 1 1 a    11  we ^didn`t 'really 'have much 'time ((d\id we))#   / 
 5 8  53 3920 1 1 a    11  it was ^only thirteen d/ays#                       / 
 5 8  53 3930 1 1 a    11  *in* ^which it was . 'blowing /up# .               / 
 5 8  53 3940 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  54 3950 1 2(a    11  and [@:] - - - I I ^think the thing that - - -     / 
 5 8  54 3950 1 1(a    11  :r\eally made {the ^tr\ip#}# .                     / 
 5 8  54 3960 1 1 a    11  ^less of a suc'cess than it :sh\ould have been# .  / 
 5 8  54 3970 1 2 a    11  was ^simply the 'fact that this _man . _wanted to  / 
 5 8  54 3970 1 1 a    11  get :h\ome#                                        / 
 5 8  54 3980 1 1 a    11  he`d ^just had e_n\ough#                           / 
 5 8  54 3990 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  54 4000 1 2 a    11  ((I mean)) ^Thomas was . :very 'happy 'going       / 
 5 8  54 4000 1 1 a    11  r\ound#                                            / 
 5 8  54 4010 1 2 a    11  because des^pite all [dh] - - the n\asty sort of   / 
 5 8  54 4010 1 1 a    11  'as_pects#                                         / 
 5 8  55 4020 1 2 a    11  ((and)) he`d ^had - "!m\ore {of those ^unpleasant  / 
 5 8  55 4020 1 1 a    11  \aspects#}#                                        / 
 5 8  55 4030 2 1 a    21  when he *had*                                      / 
 5 8  55 4040 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  55 4030 1 2(a    11  ^gone to [@] Cali_fornia and . {W\ashington}       / 
 5 8  55 4030 1 1(a    11  bef\ore#                                           / 
 5 8  55 4050 1 2 a    11  ((he`s)) . cos I mean ^that`s where he`d :actually / 
 5 8  55 4050 1 1 a    11  [@m] . 'been . acc/osted# .                        / 
 5 8  55 4060 1 1 a    11  and ^thr/eatened and# .                            / 
 5 8  55 4070 1 1 a    11  and ^s\o on#                                       / 
 5 8  56 4080 1 1 b    11  ^r\/eally#                                         / 
 5 8  56 4090 1 1 b    11  *((^[\m]#))*                                       / 
 5 8  56 4100 1 1 a    11  *^oh 'yes* and he`d 'been in a [@m] 'bar br\/awl#  / 
 5 8  56 4110 1 1 a    11  and ^things like th\is# .                          / 
 5 8  56 4120 1 1 a    20  I mean *( - - - laughs)*                           / 
 5 8  56 4130 1 1 b    20  *( - - - laughs)*                                  / 
 5 8  56 4140 1 1 a    11  ^he was in a **c\inema#**                          / 
 5 8  56 4150 1 1 b    11  **((3 sylls)) ex**^p\erience#                      / 
 5 8  56 4160 1 1 a    11  yes [@] ^he was in a c\inema#                      / 
 5 8  56 4170 1 1 a    11  and . ^being Th\omas#                              / 
 5 8  57 4180 1 1 a    11  sort of ^rather t\/erse#                           / 
 5 8  57 4190 1 1 a    11  ^told 'some 'man 'to [@:m] be qu\/iet#             / 
 5 8  57 4200 1 1 a    11  who was ^making a 'noise be:h\/ind him#            / 
 5 8  57 4210 1 1 a    11  and the ^man sort of - - _pulled a !g=un#          / 
 5 8  57 4220 1 1 a    20  and - -                                            / 
 5 8  57 4230 1 1 b    11  ((^y\es#))                                         / 
 5 8  57 4240 1 1 b    11  was ^this in the 'deep 'South :t\oo#               / 
 5 8  57 4250 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 8  57 4260 1 1 a    11  ^this was 'in in [@:] Los *:\Angeles#*             / 
 5 8  57 4270 1 1 b    11  *^oh* . ((th\ere))#                                / 
 5 8  57 4280 1 1 a    11  so ^in a w\/ay#                                    / 
 5 8  57 4290 1 1 a    11  ^Thomas was !\used to 'this#                       / 
 5 8  58 4300 1 1 a    11  but un^fortunately the 'other man . :w\/asn`t# .   / 
 5 8  58 4310 1 2 a    11  and ^so he _found the whole _lot . _rather too     / 
 5 8  58 4310 1 1 a    11  !m\uch for him#                                    / 
 5 8  58 4320 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  58 4330 1 1 a    11  and so they ^came "b\/ack# .                       / 
 5 8  58 4340 1 1 a    11  as ^soon as the 'exhi'bition had :f\/inished#      / 
 5 8  58 4350 1 1 a    11  and the ^c\/ongress had 'finished# .               / 
 5 8  58 4360 1 1 a    11  and they ^didn`t _do any !s\ightseeing#            / 
 5 8  59 4370 1 1 b    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 5 8  59 4380 1 1 b    11  which is *a ^sh\ame r/eally#                       / 
 5 8  59 4390 2 1 b    21  when you`re                                        / 
 5 8  59 4400 1 1 a    11  *((which is a)) it was a ^gr\eat shame {^y\es#}#* ./ 
 5 8  59 4390 1 1(b    11  "^\/out 'there#                                    / 
 5 8  59 4410 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 8  59 4420 1 1(a    11  cos they`ve ^got th\ings#                          / 
 5 8  59 4430 1 1 a    11  like the ^greatest \outcrop#                       / 
 5 8  59 4440 1 1 a    11  of ^granite in the w=orld# *.*                     / 
 5 8  59 4450 1 1 a    11  in a ^single !sl\ab or 'something#                 / 
 5 8  59 4460 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  60 4470 2 1 a    21  **( - laughs)**                                    / 
 5 8  60 4480 1 1 b    20  **( - laughs)**                                    / 
 5 8  60 4470 1 1(a    11  - oh and they ^also h\ad [@:]# -                   / 
 5 8  60 4490 1 1 a    11  I be^lieve an 'underground :t\own# .               / 
 5 8  60 4500 2 1 a    21  *((1 syll be^cause))*                              / 
 5 8  60 4510 1 1 b    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 5 8  60 4500 1 2(a    11  [@:] . the _Northern 'forces . 'razed At'lanta to  / 
 5 8  60 4500 1 1(a    11  the gr\ound# .                                     / 
 5 8  60 4520 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 8  61 4530 1 1 a    11  ^but . there are sort of :odd _b=its#              / 
 5 8  61 4540 1 1 a    11  which re^m\ained# .                                / 
 5 8  61 4550 1 2 a    11  and they`ve ^built the {r\oads} [a] on the !!t\op  / 
 5 8  61 4550 1 1 a    11  of them# .                                         / 
 5 8  61 4560 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  61 4570 1 1 a    11  ^and you can . !go under!n\eath the 'roads#        / 
 5 8  61 4580 1 1 a    11  and . I`ve got ^p\ostcards ((at home))#            / 
 5 8  61 4590 1 1 a    11  which ^Thomas !s\ent us {to the ^ch\ildren#}#      / 
 5 8  61 4600 1 2 a    11  [@:m] - ^and you can _see [?] the found\ations of  / 
 5 8  61 4600 1 1 a    11  the 'road#                                         / 
 5 8  62 4610 1 1 a    11  [?] and ^under'neath them are these !sh\ops#       / 
 5 8  62 4620 1 1 a    11  which are . tre^mendously :\interes*ting#*         / 
 5 8  62 4630 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  62 4640 1 1 b    11  and ^still in \use {I pre^s\ume#}# .               / 
 5 8  62 4650 1 1 a    11  **^w\ell#                                          / 
 5 8  62 4660 1 1 a    21  ((as ^n\ot as))**                                  / 
 5 8  62 4670 1 1 b    11  **((or "^n\ot#                                     / 
 5 8  62 4680 1 1 b    11  or ^is it)) a 'kind of** [m] mus\eum {^y\es#}#     / 
 5 8  62 4690 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  62 4700 1 1 a    11  they`re ^s\ouvenir . 'shops#                       / 
 5 8  62 4710 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  63 4720 1 2 a    11  but [@:] there was a ^lot he should have !s\een    / 
 5 8  63 4720 1 1 a    11  and# .                                             / 
 5 8  63 4730 1 1 b    11  well with ^thir'teen :d\ays 'out th/ere# .         / 
 5 8  63 4740 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  63 4750 1 2 b    13  *((it))* ^one can . "^my . I was ^reading this     / 
 5 8  63 4750 1 1 b    13  :m\/orning ((and))# .                              / 
 5 8  63 4760 1 1 b    11  I ^slipped \in# .                                  / 
 5 8  63 4770 1 1 b    11  to ^see m\ummy# .                                  / 
 5 8  63 4780 1 2 b    11  ^and [@] . she _brought a 'letter . from my        / 
 5 8  63 4780 1 1 b    11  \aunt# .                                           / 
 5 8  63 4790 1 1 b    11  who`s . ^gone out 'there with my _\uncle# .        / 
 5 8  64 4800 1 1 b    11  on ^b\usiness# .                                   / 
 5 8  64 4810 1 1 b    11  he`s be^gun . to :t\ake her# .                     / 
 5 8  64 4820 1 1 b    11  and [@m] ^which is :rather :n\ice#                 / 
 5 8  64 4830 1 1 b    11  that they ^go off to:g\ether#                      / 
 5 8  64 4840 1 2 b    13  and they ^they`ve . ^did a they ^stayed on a :bit  / 
 5 8  64 4840 1 1 b    13  l\onger#                                           / 
 5 8  64 4850 1 1 b    11  just to ^have a look r/ound# -                     / 
 5 8  64 4860 1 2 b    11  ^and [@:] they were !staying 'somewhere [a]        / 
 5 8  64 4860 1 1 b    11  'out:s\ide New 'York# -                            / 
 5 8  64 4870 1 2 b    11  "^close to where they were 'having these _business / 
 5 8  64 4870 1 1 b    11  dis_c\ussions I supp=ose#                          / 
 5 8  64 4880 1 2 b    12  and [@] - ^she [sh] ^they were 'staying in a       / 
 5 8  64 4880 1 1 b    12  ho:t\el#                                           / 
 5 8  65 4890 1 2 b    11  but she was de^scribing the 'house of these        / 
 5 8  65 4890 1 1 b    11  p\eople#                                           / 
 5 8  65 4900 1 1 b    11  that ^they were . _doing _business w\ith#          / 
 5 8  65 4910 1 1 b    12  and she ^said - I don`t ^kn\ow#                    / 
 5 8  65 4920 1 2 b    11  I ^all I re'member ((were)) :four b\athrooms and a / 
 5 8  65 4920 1 1 b    11  'swimming !!p=ool#                                 / 
 5 8  65 4930 1 1 a    20  *( - - laughs)*                                    / 
 5 8  65 4940 1 2 b    11  *. but* [@] . ^so that they !seem to be 'thoroughly/ 
 5 8  65 4940 1 1 b    11  enj\/oying it and# .                               / 
 5 8  66 4950 1 1 b    11  their ^children are just \old enough#              / 
 5 8  66 4960 1 1 b    11  ^r\eally n/ow#                                     / 
 5 8  66 4970 2 1 b    22  they`re ^all                                       / 
 5 8  66 4980 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 5 8  66 4970 1 1(b    12  - ^well . !one of them`s in the :s\ixth form#      / 
 5 8  66 4990 1 1 b    11  and the ^others are . 'all in their :t\eens#       / 
 5 8  66 5000 1 1 b    11  ^so . they can !l\eave them . {at ^h\ome#}#        / 
 5 8  66 5010 1 1 b    11  and [@] . "^m\ummy slipped 'over#                  / 
 5 8  66 5020 1 1 b    11  to ^see that 'they were all r\ight#                / 
 5 8  66 5030 1 1 b    11  but ap^parently they were f\ine#                   / 
 5 8  67 5040 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  67 5050 1 2 b    13  and [@:m] - - ^they`re ^they`re ^they`re quite     / 
 5 8  67 5050 1 1 b    13  \interesting _really#                              / 
 5 8  67 5060 1 1 b    11  as a . as a ^f\amily#                              / 
 5 8  67 5070 1 2 b    11  be^cause they`re !that much y\ounger {than ^mummy  / 
 5 8  67 5070 1 1 b    11  and !d\addy#}# -                                   / 
 5 8  67 5080 1 1 b    12  ^and they`ve - "^s\uddenly#                        / 
 5 8  67 5090 1 1 b    11  this - ^b\usiness {that ^they`ve been d\oing#}#    / 
 5 8  67 5100 1 1 b    11  has has ^really - :ch\anged from 'being# .         / 
 5 8  68 5110 1 1 b    11  ^r\elatively succ/essful#                          / 
 5 8  68 5120 1 1 b    11  to ^something . 'really b\ig#                      / 
 5 8  68 5130 1 1 b    11  and [@m] - ^so you kn/ow#                          / 
 5 8  68 5140 1 2 b    11  [i] it ^seems to have :worked a revo_lution in     / 
 5 8  68 5140 1 1 b    11  their :l\ives#                                     / 
 5 8  68 5150 1 1 b    11  ((sort of thing)) ^it`s quite f\unny#              / 
 5 8  68 5160 1 1 b    11  al^though they`re _just the s\ame# -               / 
 5 8  68 5170 1 2 b    11  ^but [@] they`re 'always [s] _sl\ipping off        / 
 5 8  68 5170 1 1 b    11  a_broad#                                           / 
 5 8  68 5180 1 1 b    11  to A^m\erica or s/omewhere#                        / 
 5 8  68 5190 1 1 b    11  to do ^b\/usiness and [@]# -                       / 
 5 8  69 5200 1 2 b    12  ^it ((well)) it`s it`s been ^really ":t\ough for a / 
 5 8  69 5200 1 1 b    12  wh/ile#                                            / 
 5 8  69 5210 1 1 b    11  and then ^suddenly it`s got :off the gr\ound#      / 
 5 8  69 5220 1 1 b    11  which is ^n\ice# - -                               / 
 5 8  69 5230 1 2 b    11  but [@] - - they`ve ^had some 'adverts on .        / 
 5 8  69 5230 1 1 b    11  tele:v\ision#                                      / 
 5 8  69 5240 1 1 b    11  but it`s "^S\outhern tele'vision# .                / 
 5 8  69 5250 1 1 b    11  so I ^m\iss((ed)) them all# - - -                  / 
 5 8  69 5260 1 2 b    11  but they I ^wanted 'them to come 'over on 'Friday  / 
 5 8  69 5260 1 1 b    11  :n\ight#                                           / 
 5 8  69 5270 1 2 b    11  because . they were "^m\arvellous {when I was      / 
 5 8  69 5270 1 1 b    11  m\oving#}#                                         / 
 5 8  70 5280 1 1 b    11  ^they gave me my :{Good H\ousekeeping} C\ook Book# / 
 5 8  70 5290 1 1 b    20  *( - giggles)*                                     / 
 5 8  70 5300 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8  70 5310 1 2 b    13  and ^[mu:] 'had ^well 'some ^some'one from the     / 
 5 8  70 5310 1 1 b    13  'firm was . _bringing a 'van 'up with some st\uff# / 
 5 8  70 5320 1 1 b    11  and ^so they 'got him to 'bring my d/esk up#       / 
 5 8  70 5330 1 1 b    11  and all ^sorts of th=ings#                         / 
 5 8  70 5340 1 2 b    12  and - [@:m] ^I I ^said . 'well . you :m\ust 'come  / 
 5 8  70 5340 1 1 b    12  and 'have a 'meal# -                               / 
 5 8  71 5350 1 2 b    11  and I ^thought I`d com'bine it with m\ummy {and    / 
 5 8  71 5350 1 1 b    11  ^d\addy#}#                                         / 
 5 8  71 5360 1 1 b    11  and and ^this fr\iend of _mine#                    / 
 5 8  71 5370 1 1 b    11  who ^works at the [@m] . OD:\A# -                  / 
 5 8  71 5380 1 1 b    11  ^and is very \interesting#                         / 
 5 8  71 5390 1 1 b    11  [@m] - ^and _well "{sh\e`s} been in :P\aris#       / 
 5 8  71 5400 1 1 b    11  but she`s ^just come b\ack#                        / 
 5 8  71 5410 1 1 b    11  and ^so she`s 'going to [@] . come \over#          / 
 5 8  71 5420 1 2 b    11  and I ^knew she`d 'like to see _mummy and _daddy   / 
 5 8  71 5420 1 1 b    11  a"g/ain#                                           / 
 5 8  71 5430 1 1 b    11  so I ^thought I`d com'bine the !whole th\ing#      / 
 5 8  72 5440 1 1 b    11  and I ^had it !all pl\/anned#                      / 
 5 8  72 5450 1 1 b    11  and ^did some c\ooking y/esterday#                 / 
 5 8  72 5460 1 1 b    11  and ^then it turned \out#                          / 
 5 8  72 5470 1 1 b    11  ^mummy and _daddy !couldn`t !m\ake it#             / 
 5 8  72 5480 1 1 a    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 5 8  72 5490 1 1 a    11  ((^th\/at`s a bore#))                              / 
 5 8  72 5500 1 1 b    11  ^s=o#                                              / 
 5 8  72 5510 1 1 b    11  I`m ^hoping they`ll 'come :n\ext 'week#            / 
 5 8  72 5520 1 1 b    11  but [@] - they`re ^so "b\/usy at the 'moment#      / 
 5 8  72 5530 1 2 b    12  that . I ^think 'mummy`s [?@] she ^w\/orries me    / 
 5 8  72 5530 1 1 b    12  'actually#                                         / 
 5 8  73 5540 1 1 b    11  [t] ^st\ill#                                       / 
 5 8  73 5550 1 1 b    11  because ^every 'time I 'go \in n/ow#               / 
 5 8  73 5560 1 1 b    12  ^not "^not "l\iving with her#                      / 
 5 8  73 5570 1 1 b    11  but "^s\eeing her# -                               / 
 5 8  73 5580 1 1 b    11  she ^looks so !t\ired#                             / 
 5 8  73 5590 1 1 b    11  and ^w\orn#                                        / 
 5 8  73 5600 1 1 b    20  that - *((syll))*                                  / 
 5 8  73 5610 1 1 a    11  ^yes *one* !n\otices#                              / 
 5 8  73 5620 1 1 a    11  when you ^don`t s\ee them {for a ^wh\ile#}#        / 
 5 8  73 5630 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  73 5640 1 1 b    11  I - I ^felt !v\ery 'worried 'last n/ight#          / 
 5 8  74 5650 1 1 b    11  because ^when she rang \up#                        / 
 5 8  74 5660 1 2 b    12  she was ^so \obvious she ^said to me {this         / 
 5 8  74 5660 1 1 b    12  ^m\orning#}#                                       / 
 5 8  74 5670 1 1 b    11  that she ^she felt 'awful "\afterwards#            / 
 5 8  74 5680 1 2 b    11  be^cause she _said she _must have been _such a     / 
 5 8  74 5680 1 1 b    11  "!m\isery#                                         / 
 5 8  74 5690 1 1 b    11  but - she ^sounded s/o t\ired# .                   / 
 5 8  74 5700 1 3 b    11  and [@m] - . she ^just said _well she just .       / 
 5 8  74 5700 1 2 b    11  "!didn`t 'think she could 'make it on 'Friday      / 
 5 8  74 5700 1 1 b    11  n/ight#                                            / 
 5 8  74 5710 1 1 b    11  or ^or 'over the _week!\end# -                     / 
 5 8  75 5720 1 2 b    11  and [@m] - - I im^mediately 'felt well :I should go/ 
 5 8  75 5720 1 1 b    11  :h\ome#                                            / 
 5 8  75 5730 1 1 b    11  and and ^help !\out a bit#                         / 
 5 8  75 5740 1 1 b    11  but I I`m sort of ^d\oing things#                  / 
 5 8  75 5750 1 1 b    11  ^all _over the week!\end#                          / 
 5 8  75 5760 1 1 b    11  ^y\/ou know#                                       / 
 5 8  75 5770 1 1 b    11  I`ve I`ve ^promised to go 'out to l/unch#          / 
 5 8  75 5780 1 2 b    11  and I - [@m t@ t] to ^actually 'go 'home and 'be of/ 
 5 8  75 5780 1 1 b    11  'any \use#                                         / 
 5 8  75 5790 1 2 b    11  you`ve ^really 'got to go _home for a _day or a    / 
 5 8  75 5790 1 1 b    11  !c\ouple of 'days r/eally#                         / 
 5 8  76 5800 1 1 b    11  *((so I ^can`t really fit it \in#))*               / 
 5 8  76 5810 1 1 a    11  *yes to ^make \any 'sort of* comm/itment#          / 
 5 8  76 5820 1 1 a    11  you`ve ^got to _make a !fairly **!b\ig 'one#**     / 
 5 8  76 5830 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 5 8  76 5840 1 2 b    11  I ^think I`ll 'try and 'slip 'home per'haps 'some  / 
 5 8  76 5840 1 1 b    11  'time :n\ext 'week# .                              / 
 5 8  76 5850 1 1 b    11  ^d\uring the 'week#                                / 
 5 8  76 5860 1 1 b    11  and I`d ^have a 'day at h\ome and# .               / 
 5 8  76 5870 1 1 b    11  ^get 'on and 'do a bit of \ironing#                / 
 5 8  76 5880 1 1 b    11  or *^w\ashing* or _something#                      / 
 5 8  77 5890 1 1 a    11  *^y=es#*                                           / 
 5 8  77 5900 1 1(b    11  and - and [@:] . clear ^\up#                       / 
 5 8  77 5910 1 1 b    11  but of ^course that`s _only a 'temporary m\easure# / 
 5 8  77 5920 1 1 b    11  "^trouble w/ith#                                   / 
 5 8  77 5930 1 1 b    11  ^=is#                                              / 
 5 8  77 5940 1 1 b    11  ^mummy`s been 'having these !dreadful :m\igraines# / 
 5 8  77 5950 1 1 b    12  and ^that`s what`s - [@:m] I ^th/ink#              / 
 5 8  77 5960 1 1 b    11  [hu] ^held her \up#                                / 
 5 8  77 5970 1 2 b    11  because what you ^know what it`s 'like when you    / 
 5 8  77 5970 1 1 b    11  "g\et one#                                         / 
 5 8  77 5980 1 1 b    11  you`re "^absolutely 'knocked :\out#                / 
 5 8  78 5990 1 3 b    12  and she`s ^had a:bout a - she ^says she 'reckons   / 
 5 8  78 5990 1 2 b    12  it`s _taken at _least a !week . of !t\ime          / 
 5 8  78 5990 1 1 b    12  {^\out#}# .                                        / 
 5 8  78 6000 1 1 b    11  ^just in the 'past about !three w\eeks#            / 
 5 8  78 6010 2 2 b    21  and of ^course that 'means that she`s _all be:hind / 
 5 8  78 6010 2 1 b    21  on                                                 / 
 5 8  78 6020 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  78 6010 1 1(b    11  :ever*y* :\aspect# - -                             / 
 5 8  78 6030 1 2 b    12  ^and [@] so the ^doctor`s 'given her 'some :new    / 
 5 8  78 6030 1 1 b    12  th/ing#                                            / 
 5 8  78 6040 1 1 b    11  called ^D\ixeret# -                                / 
 5 8  79 6050 1 1 b    11  [@:m] which is a ^brand-'new dr\ug# .              / 
 5 8  79 6060 1 2 b    12  [@:m] ^they . he ^hasn`t 'tried it on 'anyone 'else/ 
 5 8  79 6060 1 1 b    12  be:f\ore#                                          / 
 5 8  79 6070 2 1 b    21  so *( - sighs)*                                    / 
 5 8  79 6080 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  79 6070 1 1(b    11  he`s ex^p\erimenting#                              / 
 5 8  79 6090 1 1 b    11  and [@] she ^has to 'take 'two of them a d\ay# -   / 
 5 8  79 6100 1 2 b    12  ((and)) she ^said they . they ^send her 'off to    / 
 5 8  79 6100 1 1 b    12  :sl\eep#                                           / 
 5 8  79 6110 1 1 b    11  which ^y\ou kn/ow is [@]# -                        / 
 5 8  80 6120 1 1 a    11  ((1 syll ^that`s a sh\ame#))                       / 
 5 8  80 6130 1 1 b    11  ^well it`s :not i:d\eal# .                         / 
 5 8  80 6140 1 1 b    11  when ^y\ou 'know#                                  / 
 5 8  80 6150 1 1 b    11  ^when she`s w\orking# *.*                          / 
 5 8  80 6160 1 1 b    11  but I I im"^\agine#                                / 
 5 8  80 6170 2 1 b    21  it it`s to                                         / 
 5 8  80 6180 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  80 6170 1 1(b    11  re^lieve !t\ension# - .                            / 
 5 8  80 6190 1 1 b    11  be^cause [@] - she`d !had . s\everal# .            / 
 5 8  80 6200 1 1 b    11  ^and !((what was it)) about a !f\ortnight a'go#    / 
 5 8  80 6210 1 2 b    11  he ^sent her to the :h\ospital {to have an         / 
 5 8  80 6210 1 1 b    11  ^\X-ray#}# -                                       / 
 5 8  81 6220 1 1 b    11  ^just to 'see if there :w\as 'anything 'wrong#     / 
 5 8  81 6230 1 1 b    11  ^with her :h\/ead# -                               / 
 5 8  81 6240 1 2 b    12  ^and [@:m] course she ^she 'made a 'great j\/oke of/ 
 5 8  81 6240 1 1 b    12  it#                                                / 
 5 8  81 6250 2 1 b    21  ((1 syll)) ^having her h\ead ex'amined             / 
 5 8  81 6260 1 1 a    20  *( - - laughs)*                                    / 
 5 8  81 6250 1 1(b    11  *etc/etera#*                                       / 
 5 8  81 6270 1 2 b    12  ( - sighs) [@:] ( - yawns) but I ^think [s] ^think / 
 5 8  81 6270 1 1 b    12  she was :w\orried#                                 / 
 5 8  81 6280 1 2 b    15  and she was ^very rel\ieved when . ^the . ^they .  / 
 5 8  81 6280 1 1 b    15  ^the . ^all the . \X-rays 'showed#                 / 
 5 8  82 6290 1 1 b    11  ^absolutely :n\egative#                            / 
 5 8  82 6300 1 1 b    11  there was ^nothing :wr\ong# .                      / 
 5 8  82 6310 1 1 b    11  so it ^must 'just be t/\ension I sup'pose# .       / 
 5 8  82 6320 1 2 a    11  yes ^we`ve just 'had a ( . coughs) \awful 'six     / 
 5 8  82 6320 1 1 a    11  'weeks#                                            / 
 5 8  82 6330 1 1 a    11  with ^m\y 'grandmother#                            / 
 5 8  82 6340 1 1 a    11  who . ((^you rem/ember#                            / 
 5 8  82 6350 1 1 a    11  she had)) *^cancer of the br\east#*                / 
 5 8  83 6360 1 1 b    11  *^oh y\es#                                         / 
 5 8  83 6370 1 1 b    11  is ^she b\/etter#* .                               / 
 5 8  83 6380 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  83 6390 1 2 a    11  well she ^ended up :g\etting 'cancer of the        / 
 5 8  83 6390 1 1 a    11  br/east#                                           / 
 5 8  83 6400 1 1 a    11  and ^having to 'have one :\off#                    / 
 5 8  83 6410 1 2 a    11  but [@:m] - "^but oh the !w\orst thing ab/out it   / 
 5 8  83 6410 1 1 a    11  is# - -                                            / 
 5 8  83 6420 1 1 a    11  is the dis^covery of her con'ditions of :l\iving# ./ 
 5 8  83 6430 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - it`s ^most extra!\/ordinary in _this# - -  / 
 5 8  83 6440 1 2 a    11  ^when . my 'parents 'moved 'out of L\ondon 'some   / 
 5 8  83 6440 1 1 a    11  [@m]# -                                            / 
 5 8  84 6450 1 1 a    11  ^twenty-'two twenty-'three 'years ag\o# .          / 
 5 8  84 6460 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 8  84 6470 1 1 a    11  my ^mother`s m\ove was# -                          / 
 5 8  84 6480 1 1 a    11  ^both she h\oped# -                                / 
 5 8  84 6490 1 1 a    11  sort of ^s\ocial im_provement#                     / 
 5 8  84 6500 1 1 a    11  as ^well as an . a :h\ome *im'provement#*          / 
 5 8  84 6510 1 1 b    20  *( - gasps)*                                       / 
 5 8  85 6520 1 2(a    12  ^and [@:m] and she ^made no :b\ones about th/at    / 
 5 8  85 6520 1 1(a    12  and# -                                             / 
 5 8  85 6530 1 1 a    11  she`s ^always re'garded my . my :f\ather`s 'mother#/ 
 5 8  85 6540 1 1 a    11  as ^being . 'somewhat d\/irty and# -               / 
 5 8  85 6550 1 1 a    11  and ^slightly ill\iterate#                         / 
 5 8  85 6560 1 2 a    11  be^cause she 'doesn`t 'have the 'same sp/eech      / 
 5 8  85 6560 1 1 a    11  'patterns you _know#                               / 
 5 8  85 6570 1 1 a    11  and ^all these st/upid things#                     / 
 5 8  85 6580 1 1 a    11  and [@:m] - so she ^hasn`t !been to !s\ee her#     / 
 5 8  85 6590 1 1 a    11  in ^h=er h/ouse#                                   / 
 5 8  85 6600 1 1 a    11  for ^twenty-'three !y\ears#                        / 
 5 8  86 6610 1 1 a    11  ^twenty-'three *y/ears#*                           / 
 5 8  86 6620 1 1 a    11  *^y=es#*                                           / 
 5 8  86 6630 1 1 a    11  she`s ^had 'her . to !\our house#                  / 
 5 8  86 6640 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  86 6650 1 1 a    11  ^s=ay#                                             / 
 5 8  86 6660 1 1 a    11  ^oh very !r\egularly#                              / 
 5 8  86 6670 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - - she`s ^probably _stayed on =average# -   / 
 5 8  86 6680 1 1 a    11  I sup^pose a !week in _every !s\ix or 'so#         / 
 5 8  86 6690 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  86 6700 1 1 a    11  and it`s ^worked very !w\ell#                      / 
 5 8  86 6710 1 1 a    11  but ^my m/other#                                   / 
 5 8  87 6720 1 1 a    11  has ^never 'gone to !her !h\ouse you 'see# .       / 
 5 8  87 6730 1 2 a    11  ^knowing that it was 'dirty and _filthy and !s\o   / 
 5 8  87 6730 1 1 a    11  on# -                                              / 
 5 8  87 6740 1 1 a    11  ^=and# -                                           / 
 5 8  87 6750 1 1 a    11  ^\anyway#                                          / 
 5 8  87 6760 1 2 a    11  she ^felt that 'after my 'grandmother had been in  / 
 5 8  87 6760 1 1 a    11  :hospital for a :m\/onth#                          / 
 5 8  87 6770 1 2 a    11  she ^ought to go !down and !have a !l\ook at the   / 
 5 8  87 6770 1 1 a    11  'place#                                            / 
 5 8  87 6780 1 1 a    11  to ^see if it was !fit for her _coming !b\ack#     / 
 5 8  87 6790 1 1 a    11  and of course she ^g/oes down there#               / 
 5 8  87 6800 1 1 a    11  and ^f/inds it`s a h\ovel#                         / 
 5 8  88 6810 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  88 6820 1 1 b    20  *((1 syll))*                                       / 
 5 8  88 6830 1 2 a    11  *and the* ^place is - is {r\eally fit} to _be      / 
 5 8  88 6830 1 1 a    11  con!!d\emned#                                      / 
 5 8  88 6840 1 1 b    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 5 8  88 6850 1 1 a    11  ^and [@:] - - my !mother`s sort of "!t\erribly# -  / 
 5 8  88 6860 1 1 a    11  ag^gr\/ieved a'bout it#                            / 
 5 8  88 6870 1 2 a    11  be^cause she 'feels that _people will be _going    / 
 5 8  88 6870 1 1 a    11  round _saying _oh l\ook#                           / 
 5 8  89 6880 1 2 a    11  the . ^mother of an [ik] of a - 'very well 'paid   / 
 5 8  89 6880 1 1 a    11  ex'ecutive is _living in a :h\ovel#                / 
 5 8  89 6890 1 1 a    12  ^which *[i] ^which* is :tr\/ue# .                  / 
 5 8  89 6900 2 1 a    21  [@:m] - ^and                                       / 
 5 8  89 6910 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  89 6900 1 2(a    11  she`s thinking of 'what will 'people :s\ay about   / 
 5 8  89 6900 1 1(a    11  /us# - -                                           / 
 5 8  89 6920 1 2 a    12  but of ^course . ((you know it)) . it it ^seems [@]/ 
 5 8  89 6920 1 1 a    12  :only !\obvious#                                   / 
 5 8  89 6930 2 1 a    21  that *^if you* 'don`t go 'near a 'house for        / 
 5 8  90 6940 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  90 6930 1 1(a    11  'twenty-'three 'years be'cause it`s d\irty# .      / 
 5 8  90 6950 1 2 a    11  and ^at the 'same _time you _don`t do _anything    / 
 5 8  90 6950 1 1 a    11  a!b\out the 'dirt {and *the ^f\ilth#}#*            / 
 5 8  90 6960 1 1 a    11  and . ^deco'ration and !s\/o on#                   / 
 5 8  90 6970 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  90 6980 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 8  90 6990 1 1(a    11  **. that it`s** ^going to get !!w\orse# .          / 
 5 8  91 7000 1 1 a    11  ^and of 'course my !f\ather`s been 'going 'there# ./ 
 5 8  91 7010 1 1 a    11  about ^once a 'week to :s\ee her for an h/our# .   / 
 5 8  91 7020 1 1 a    11  and has been . ^offering :h\elp#                   / 
 5 8  91 7030 2 1 a    21  and of *^course _when*                             / 
 5 8  91 7040 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  91 7030 1 1(a    11  the 'help is ref\used#                             / 
 5 8  91 7050 1 2 a    11  because my . ^{gr\andmother 'feels} it`s _too much / 
 5 8  91 7050 1 1 a    11  !tr\/ouble for my 'father# - -                     / 
 5 8  91 7060 1 1 a    11  he`s been ^letting it g/\o#                        / 
 5 8  92 7070 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8  92 7080 1 1 b    11  cos a "^man 'doesn`t re'act /in the 'same *w\ay#*  / 
 5 8  92 7090 1 1 a    11  *well* ^n\o# .                                     / 
 5 8  92 7100 1 2 a    11  but [@m] the ^place is 'actually :d\angerous _in   / 
 5 8  92 7100 1 1 a    11  that# -                                            / 
 5 8  92 7110 1 1 a    11  ^all [dhi:] 'house`s e'lectrical equ\ipment`s#     / 
 5 8  92 7120 1 2 a    11  just ^running 'off an e_lectric l\ight {and ^th\is / 
 5 8  92 7120 1 1 a    11  sort of 'thing#}#                                  / 
 5 8  93 7130 1 1 b    11  oh ^g\osh#                                         / 
 5 8  93 7140 1 1 b    11  *( - sighs) ^y\es#*                                / 
 5 8  93 7150 1 1 a    11  *[@:m] - .* on and the ^{s\ink`s} 'off the w\all#  / 
 5 8  93 7160 1 1 a    11  and ^[dhi:?] !c\ooker {^doesn`t w\ork#}#           / 
 5 8  93 7170 2 1 a    21  *. I mean* the                                     / 
 5 8  93 7180 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  93 7170 1 2(a    11  ^woman has 'obviously 'been negl\ecting herself    / 
 5 8  93 7170 1 1(a    11  {very ^b\adly#}# - .                               / 
 5 8  93 7190 1 2 b    12  well I ^think s\ometimes . you see the ^point /is  / 
 5 8  93 7190 1 1 b    12  that# .                                            / 
 5 8  94 7200 1 1 b    11  she ^might 'well not !w\ant to 'move# .            / 
 5 8  94 7210 1 1 b    11  a^way from fr\iends#                               / 
 5 8  94 7220 1 1 b    11  and from . the ^house she kn\ows# -                / 
 5 8  94 7230 1 1 b    11  [i] ^y\/ou know#                                   / 
 5 8  94 7240 1 1 b    11  you ^could per'haps im:prove the h\/ouse but#      / 
 5 8  94 7250 1 1 a    11  *((^[\/m] 'well#))*                                / 
 5 8  94 7260 1 1(b    11  *to ^say* 'trans:pl\ant her#                       / 
 5 8  94 7270 1 1 b    11  to an old ^p\/eople`s 'home#                       / 
 5 8  94 7280 1 1 b    12  ^or 'to - ^even to _live with your !m\other# .     / 
 5 8  94 7290 1 1 b    20  [@:]                                               / 
 5 8  95 7300 1 1 a    11  ^well y\es#                                        / 
 5 8  95 7310 2 1 a    21  she . *^clearly couldn`t :live with my             / 
 5 8  95 7320 1 1 b    12  *((^might _make her _much [w@:])) . ^y\es#*        / 
 5 8  95 7310 1 1(a    11  !m\other#                                          / 
 5 8  95 7330 1 2 a    11  be^cause* [@:m] - - it would _drive my 'mother     / 
 5 8  95 7330 1 1 a    11  !m\ad#                                             / 
 5 8  95 7340 2 2 a    22  **and [i] ^it would ( - laughs)** I`m ^((sure it)) / 
 5 8  95 7340 2 1 a    22  do *( - laughs)*                                   / 
 5 8  95 7350 1 1 b    11  **( - laughs) ^y\es#**                             / 
 5 8  95 7360 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  95 7340 1 1(a    12  the :same thing to my !gr\andmother# -             / 
 5 8  95 7370 1 1 a    11  but ^on the 'other h/and# - -                      / 
 5 8  95 7380 1 1 a    11  ^when 'somebody gets . suf:ficiently !fr\ail#      / 
 5 8  96 7390 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 8  96 7400 1 1(a    11  - and suf^ficiently neg!l\ectful of her_self#      / 
 5 8  96 7410 1 1 a    11  [m] - as my ^gr\andmother`s 'now bec/ome# -        / 
 5 8  96 7420 1 1 a    11  ^think something`s !g\ot to be 'done#              / 
 5 8  96 7430 1 1 a    11  at the ^m\oment#                                   / 
 5 8  96 7440 1 2 a    11  they`re ^decorating the 'house and they`re 'going  / 
 5 8  96 7440 1 1 a    11  to \alter# *-*                                     / 
 5 8  97 7450 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  97 7460 1 1(a    11  ^alter odd p\arts of it#                           / 
 5 8  97 7470 1 1 a    11  like ^throw out the [b] {h\eaviest} f\urniture# -  / 
 5 8  97 7480 1 1 a    11  and ^get in some new st\uff#                       / 
 5 8  97 7490 1 1 a    11  and . ^get her a new !c\ooker {and ^s\o on#}# - - -/ 
 5 8  97 7500 1 2 a    11  ^but . !while she`s been in :hospital for the      / 
 5 8  97 7500 1 1 a    11  m/onth#                                            / 
 5 8  97 7510 1 1 a    11  ^she`s looked absolutely !!m\/arvellous you see#   / 
 5 8  97 7520 1 1 a    11  cos she`s been ^getting a square !m/\eal# .        / 
 5 8  98 7530 1 1 b    11  ^ah well !that`s the :th\/ing#                     / 
 5 8  98 7540 1 2 a    11  ^yes and - it !seems to :me it is !pr\obably       / 
 5 8  98 7540 1 1 a    11  'worth# .                                          / 
 5 8  98 7550 1 2 a    11  ^looking 'round in the _local !\area of '[ha:]     / 
 5 8  98 7550 1 1 a    11  *_High*bury# -                                     / 
 5 8  98 7560 2 1 a    21  for ^some 'sort                                    / 
 5 8  98 7570 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8  98 7560 1 1(a    11  of pro!t\ected 'home# .                            / 
 5 8  98 7580 1 2 a    13  you know you can ^get 'these [@m] . well they`re   / 
 5 8  98 7580 1 1 a    13  ^not they`re ^not instit\utions#                   / 
 5 8  99 7590 1 2 a    11  but you can ^get col_lections of 'small 'bedsit    / 
 5 8  99 7590 1 1 a    11  fl\ats {and *^s\o on#}# .                          / 
 5 8  99 7600 1 1 b    11  *^well ex!\actly#                                  / 
 5 8  99 7610 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 8  99 7620 1 1(a    11  in ^which* you 'get a 'central m\eal#              / 
 5 8  99 7630 1 1 a    11  but you **^also** look 'after yours\elf#           / 
 5 8  99 7640 2 1 a    21  *. which*                                          / 
 5 8  99 7650 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 8  99 7660 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8  99 7640 1 1(a    11  would ^be i!d\eal for her#                         / 
 5 8 100 7670 1 1 b    11  I ^know a :fr\iend of 'ours# -                     / 
 5 8 100 7680 1 1 b    11  [@:m] . "^her m\other# -                           / 
 5 8 100 7690 1 1 b    11  was in ^that !s\ort of situ/ation#                 / 
 5 8 100 7700 1 1 b    11  she "^had been :l\/iving with 'them#               / 
 5 8 100 7710 1 1 b    11  but it ^wasn`t 'working \out# -                    / 
 5 8 100 7720 1 1 b    11  and ^she de'cided she`d :rather 'be indep\endent#  / 
 5 8 100 7730 1 2 b    13  and ^they 'got her 'into - [@:] she ^had a [@:] it / 
 5 8 100 7730 1 1 b    13  was [@] ^like a 'small b\ungalow I supp/ose#       / 
 5 8 100 7740 1 1 b    11  [@:m] . ^but there were !always 'people th/ere#    / 
 5 8 100 7750 1 1 b    11  and there was ^some 'kind of 'telephone s/ervice#  / 
 5 8 100 7760 1 1 b    11  or . ^some 'kind of a!l\arm 'ser*vice#*            / 
 5 8 101 7770 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#* .                                         / 
 5 8 101 7780 1 1(b    11  [@:m] but in ^f\act# .                             / 
 5 8 101 7790 1 1 b    11  they ^reckoned actually it !k\illed her#           / 
 5 8 101 7800 1 2 b    12  be^cause it ^there was !such a 'good :{s\ocial}    / 
 5 8 101 7800 1 1 b    12  l\ife 'there#                                      / 
 5 8 101 7810 1 1 b    11  and she *^so en:j\oyed it# -                       / 
 5 8 101 7820 1 1 b    11  that ^she [ae]* !really ex:h\austed her'self#      / 
 5 8 101 7830 1 1 a    11  *( - - - laughs)* **^y\es#**                       / 
 5 8 101 7840 1 1(b    11  **and** she ^d\ied#                                / 
 5 8 101 7850 1 1 b    11  ^after a_bout !six !m\onths# -                     / 
 5 8 102 7860 1 2 b    11  [@:m] . and . I ^think she had a !h\eart attack or / 
 5 8 102 7860 1 1 b    11  s/omething#                                        / 
 5 8 102 7870 1 1 b    11  ^very !s\uddenly# *.*                              / 
 5 8 102 7880 2 1 b    21  but ^everybody :said well                          / 
 5 8 102 7890 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 8 102 7880 1 2(b    11  she`d 'obviously been 'living it !\up **too        / 
 5 8 102 7880 1 1(b    11  'much#**                                           / 
 5 8 102 7900 1 1 a    11  **^y=es#**                                         / 
 5 8 102 7910 2 1 a    21  well it`s ^obviously a :nice *way*                 / 
 5 8 102 7920 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8 103 7910 1 1(a    11  to g/\o {^\isn`t it#}#                             / 
 5 8 103 7930 1 1 a    11  **in a ^s/ense#**                                  / 
 5 8 103 7940 1 1 b    11  **"^w\ell I 'think#**                              / 
 5 8 103 7950 2 1 b    25  I ^mean !much 'nicer than [@]                      / 
 5 8 103 7960 1 1 a    11  *^dragging your :l\ife out#*                       / 
 5 8 103 7950 1 2(b    15  *- [@] in [@]* ^but you 'see I ^mean ^it the ^s\ame/ 
 5 8 103 7950 1 1(b    15  'problem#                                          / 
 5 8 103 7970 1 1 b    11  ^happened with 'my :f\ather# -                     / 
 5 8 103 7980 1 1 b    11  ^h\is 'mother# -                                   / 
 5 8 103 7990 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^she . was !{t\erribly} 'indep\endent#     / 
 5 8 103 8000 1 1 b    11  and [@m] in ^fact the 'whole f\amily#              / 
 5 8 103 8010 1 1 b    11  I can ^see it in 'my f\ather#                      / 
 5 8 104 8020 1 1 b    12  he`s ^just they`re "^just the :s\ame#              / 
 5 8 104 8030 1 2 b    11  but she she was ^one of these _very .              / 
 5 8 104 8030 1 1 b    11  'domi_n\eering 'women#                             / 
 5 8 104 8040 1 1 b    11  I ^think she !m\ust have been#                     / 
 5 8 104 8050 1 1 b    11  she`s ^left her m\ark {on the ^f\amily#}#          / 
 5 8 104 8060 2 1 b    21  *- to an in^{cr\edible}*                           / 
 5 8 104 8070 1 1 a    20  *((3 sylls)) ( - laughs)*                          / 
 5 8 104 8060 1 1(b    11  ex:t\ent#                                          / 
 5 8 104 8080 1 1 b    11  I ^mean [@m] 'it`s sur!pr\ising#                   / 
 5 8 104 8090 1 1 b    11  ^how the !three s\ons#                             / 
 5 8 104 8100 1 1 b    11  re^s\emble each 'other# -                          / 
 5 8 105 8110 1 1 b    11  in their ^expect\ations#                           / 
 5 8 105 8120 1 1 b    11  and ^what they con'sider is r\ight#                / 
 5 8 105 8130 1 1 b    11  et^cetera etc/etera#                               / 
 5 8 105 8140 1 1 b    11  and it`s "^\obviously#                             / 
 5 8 105 8150 1 1 b    11  it`s ^come from !h\er# .                           / 
 5 8 105 8160 1 1 b    11  ^y\/ou 'know#                                      / 
 5 8 105 8170 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 8 105 8180 1 1 b    11  "^her id\eas#                                      / 
 5 8 105 8190 1 1 b    11  well ^I can re'member 'things she :said to m\e#    / 
 5 8 105 8200 1 1 b    11  and in in a ^m\odified w/ay#                       / 
 5 8 105 8210 1 2 b    11  al^though I`m not 'saying that they`re 'not        / 
 5 8 105 8210 1 1 b    11  'indep\endent _of her# -                           / 
 5 8 106 8220 1 1 b    11  you can ^see it 'coming _out _in _in in :th\em# .  / 
 5 8 106 8230 1 1 b    11  but ^she . was !rigidly 'indep\/endent#            / 
 5 8 106 8240 1 1 b    11  and . [@:m] - ^she had plenty of m/oney# .         / 
 5 8 106 8250 1 1 b    11  ^m\ummy#                                           / 
 5 8 106 8260 1 1 b    11  and ^d\addy# .                                     / 
 5 8 106 8270 1 1 b    11  or at ^least m\/ummy# .                            / 
 5 8 106 8280 1 1 b    11  was ^getting !w\/orried at the 'end#               / 
 5 8 106 8290 1 2 b    11  that per^haps she was den!!\/ying her'self         / 
 5 8 106 8290 1 1 b    11  'things# -                                         / 
 5 8 106 8300 1 1 b    11  be^cause 'money was 'getting !t\ight#              / 
 5 8 106 8310 1 1 b    11  but of course ^when it . came \out#                / 
 5 8 107 8320 1 1 b    11  you ^kn\ow#                                        / 
 5 8 107 8330 1 1 b    12  ^when ^when the "w\/ill came 'out# .               / 
 5 8 107 8340 1 1 b    11  ^she you 'know had !plenty of m\/oney# -           / 
 5 8 107 8350 1 1 b    11  ^but [@:] _she was _just not !\/ea'ting#           / 
 5 8 107 8360 1 1 b    11  and - ^not [@:] re:n\ewing 'anything# -            / 
 5 8 107 8370 1 1 b    11  ^and she got !terribly :th\/in#                    / 
 5 8 107 8380 1 1 b    11  and ^th\en of _course#                             / 
 5 8 107 8390 1 2 b    12  well ((then)) ^then she caught [@m] - I ^don`t know/ 
 5 8 107 8390 1 1 b    12  if it was "pl\/eurisy or 'something# -             / 
 5 8 107 8400 1 1 b    11  but I im^\/agine#                                  / 
 5 8 108 8410 1 2 b    11  ^that was be!cause she _wasn`t :{h\eating} the     / 
 5 8 108 8410 1 1 b    11  :h\ouse 'properly#                                 / 
 5 8 108 8420 1 1 b    13  [@:m] - ^oh it ^it was I mean the ^h\ouse# .       / 
 5 8 108 8430 1 1 b    11  we ^used to go 'over :\/often e'nough#             / 
 5 8 108 8440 1 1 b    11  to . I mean it ^wasn`t in 'any :st\ate#            / 
 5 8 108 8450 1 2 b    11  it would be ^spotlessly :cl\ean et'cetera          / 
 5 8 108 8450 1 1 b    11  etc/etera# -                                       / 
 5 8 108 8460 1 1 b    11  but [@:] ^course it was !all 'dark v\arnish#       / 
 5 8 108 8470 1 1 b    11  and ^\ugh#                                         / 
 5 8 108 8480 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#* .                                         / 
 5 8 108 8490 1 1 b    11  "^gh\astly 'place it#                              / 
 5 8 108 8500 2 1 b    21  ^since since 'then                                 / 
 5 8 109 8510 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)* **( - laughs)**                      / 
 5 8 109 8500 1 1(b    11  it`s been :painted wh\ite#                         / 
 5 8 109 8520 1 1 b    11  it`s ^quite d\ifferent#                            / 
 5 8 109 8530 1 1 b    11  **but [@]** [@:m] it was ^dark v\arnish#           / 
 5 8 109 8540 1 1 b    12  and . and ^lots of - ^she was an \Irishwoman#      / 
 5 8 109 8550 1 1 b    11  and ^lots of !old p\ictures#                       / 
 5 8 109 8560 1 2 b    11  and ^also her :husband was in South :\Africa at the/ 
 5 8 109 8560 1 1 b    11  be'ginning of the c/entury# .                      / 
 5 8 109 8570 1 1 b    11  and ^m\arvellous {^old ph\otographs#}#             / 
 5 8 109 8580 1 1 b    11  of of ^men _out_side _grass _h/uts#                / 
 5 8 110 8590 1 1 b    11  in [b] on ^b/icycles#                              / 
 5 8 110 8600 1 1 b    11  and *-* ^things like th\at#                        / 
 5 8 110 8610 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 8 110 8620 1 1(b    11  but ^all in 'dark fr\ames#                         / 
 5 8 110 8630 1 2 b    13  and . ^hundreds of 'these [@:m] well ^sort of well / 
 5 8 110 8630 1 1 b    13  ^\I don`t 'know what they w/ere#                   / 
 5 8 110 8640 1 1 b    11  ^china b\irds and# .                               / 
 5 8 110 8650 1 1 b    11  "^v\ases#                                          / 
 5 8 110 8660 1 1 b    11  with with ^g\/irls 'on#                            / 
 5 8 110 8670 1 1 b    11  and ^f\aces#                                       / 
 5 8 111 8680 1 1 b    11  which you ^see in an:t\ique 'shops n/ow#           / 
 5 8 111 8690 2 1 b    21  but                                                / 
 5 8 111 8700 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 8 111 8690 1 2(b    11  *.* ^she had 'one of these _great . m\antel        / 
 5 8 111 8690 1 1(b    11  'things#                                           / 
 5 8 111 8710 1 1 b    11  a^bove the f\ireplace#                             / 
 5 8 111 8720 1 1 b    12  ^with with ^h\/undreds of 'these 'things#          / 
 5 8 111 8730 1 1 b    11  ^{\oh} it was !!f\ascinating#                      / 
 5 8 111 8740 1 1 b    11  and ((a)) ^great 'horsehair :s\ofa#                / 
 5 8 111 8750 1 1 b    11  and ^th\at 'kind of 'thing#                        / 
 5 8 111 8760 1 1 b    11  I used to ^l\ove it# -                             / 
 5 8 111 8770 1 1 b    11  but [@m] ^what`s 'making :m\/ummy so 'tired#       / 
 5 8 111 8780 1 1 b    11  at the ^m\/oment 'is that#                         / 
 5 8 112 8790 1 1 b    11  [@] we`re ^just 'getting my !gr\andfather`s _fixed#/ 
 5 8 112 8800 1 1 b    12  be^cause - he`s been 'living [@m] . ^{h\e} a:g\ain#/ 
 5 8 112 8810 1 1 b    11  I mean ^he`s been a w\idower for# -                / 
 5 8 112 8820 1 1 b    11  sup^pose about . _ten !y\ears n/ow# -              / 
 5 8 112 8830 1 2 b    12  cos our ^grandmother - ^I think she 'must have     / 
 5 8 112 8830 1 1 b    12  'been a'bout 'five years \older than 'him# -       / 
 5 8 112 8840 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^but . !he`s in his :s\/eventies 'now# .   / 
 5 8 113 8850 1 1 b    11  but ^very 'very \active#                           / 
 5 8 113 8860 1 2 b    13  and ^very . I mean he ^doesn`t he ^looks a'bout    / 
 5 8 113 8860 1 1 b    13  s\ixty# .                                          / 
 5 8 113 8870 1 2 b    11  [@:m] ex^cept 'now he`s :suddenly 'got :this [@:m] / 
 5 8 113 8870 1 1 b    11  . 'ar:thr\itis#                                    / 
 5 8 113 8880 1 1 b    12  of the ^in ^in his h\ip# .                         / 
 5 8 113 8890 1 1 b    11  and he ^has to 'walk with a st\ick#                / 
 5 8 113 8900 1 1 b    11  and he ^can`t m\ove very 'far#                     / 
 5 8 113 8910 1 1 b    11  which of ^course 'drives him :m\ad# .              / 
 5 8 113 8920 1 1 b    11  and [@] - ^\anyway#                                / 
 5 8 114 8930 1 1 b    11  ^he [@] - _has been !l\iving#                      / 
 5 8 114 8940 1 1 b    11  he ^lived with \us#                                / 
 5 8 114 8950 1 1 b    11  and ^then he 'lived with my 'mother`s :s\ister# .  / 
 5 8 114 8960 1 1 b    11  and it ^n\ever 'worked /out#                       / 
 5 8 114 8970 1 1 b    11  I mean ^it 'worked \out#                           / 
 5 8 114 8980 1 2 b    11  in that [t] we ^weren`t 'always :\/arguing or      / 
 5 8 114 8980 1 1 b    11  'anything#                                         / 
 5 8 114 8990 1 1 b    11  but ^he !w\anted his 'indep/endence#               / 
 5 8 114 9000 1 2 b    11  and . ^\our 'house at th/at 'time 'just 'wasn`t    / 
 5 8 114 9000 1 1 b    11  b\ig e'nough#                                      / 
 5 8 114 9010 1 1 b    11  for ^him to 'have his \own 'little#                / 
 5 8 115 9020 1 1 b    11  ^suite of :r\/ooms#                                / 
 5 8 115 9030 1 2 b    12  and [@] ^he ^he`d ((sort of)) :come 'in in the     / 
 5 8 115 9030 1 1 b    12  \/evening#                                         / 
 5 8 115 9040 1 1 b    11  and ^put the _telev\ision /on#                     / 
 5 8 115 9050 1 1 b    11  and ^that was the 'end of /\everything#            / 
 5 8 115 9060 1 2 b    11  un^less we _all went _off and _sat in .            / 
 5 8 115 9060 1 1 b    11  _down!st\airs or 'something#                       / 
 5 8 115 9070 1 1 a    11  ^[/mhm]#                                           / 
 5 8 115 9080 1 2 b    11  ^and [@:m] _it it !r\eally 'wasn`t an 'ideal       / 
 5 8 115 9080 1 1 b    11  situ=ation#                                        / 
 5 8 116 9090 1 1 b    12  ^and so ^th\en he 'started 'going /off#            / 
 5 8 116 9100 1 2 b    12  and ^he`s been 'living . he ^had a 'house in       / 
 5 8 116 9100 1 1 b    12  !B\eckenham# -                                     / 
 5 8 116 9110 1 1 b    11  and [@m] - - ^\anyway#                             / 
 5 8 116 9120 1 1 b    11  ^now it`s 'going to be 'pulled d\own# .            / 
 5 8 116 9130 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - for [@:] . and they`re ^going to put 'up   / 
 5 8 116 9130 1 1 b    11  fl\ats#                                            / 
 5 8 116 9140 1 2 b    13  [@m] ^and ^they`re they`re ^\altering that {^that  / 
 5 8 116 9140 1 1 b    13  d\istrict#}#                                       / 
 5 8 116 9150 1 1 b    13  and ^so . ^you . we ^r\ealized#                    / 
 5 8 116 9160 1 1 b    11  that we`d ^have to 'find 'somewhere :\else for him#/ 
 5 8 117 9170 1 1 b    11  it ^all 'blew \up#                                 / 
 5 8 117 9180 1 1 b    11  at a^bout a !m\onth a'go# -                        / 
 5 8 117 9190 1 1 b    11  ^and [@: 'dh@:] 'then !all the f\amily#            / 
 5 8 117 9200 1 2 b    11  were ^having these sort of :big - c\onfabs you     / 
 5 8 117 9200 1 1 b    11  kn/ow# .                                           / 
 5 8 117 9210 1 1 b    11  *as to ^what* was to be "!d\one with him#          / 
 5 8 117 9220 1 1 a    20  *((3 sylls))*                                      / 
 5 8 117 9230 1 1(b    11  because [dh@] ^everybody kn\ew that# -             / 
 5 8 117 9240 1 2 b    11  well ^everybody - I I sup:pose with with 'young    / 
 5 8 117 9240 1 1 b    11  f\amilies#                                         / 
 5 8 118 9250 1 2 b    12  and ^with ^with [@:m] - !{l\imited} r\/oom         / 
 5 8 118 9250 1 1 b    12  {^r\/eally#}#                                      / 
 5 8 118 9260 1 1 b    12  ^and and for ^\instance#                           / 
 5 8 118 9270 1 1 b    11  my ^m\other said#                                  / 
 5 8 118 9280 1 2 b    11  ^well . 'she would . :\obviously {^rather h\ave    / 
 5 8 118 9280 1 1 b    11  him#}#                                             / 
 5 8 118 9290 1 1 b    11  she ^wasn`t going to :see him in a "!h\/ome# .     / 
 5 8 118 9300 1 1 b    12  ^but [@ @:m] if ^if he !c\ame to 'live with /us#   / 
 5 8 118 9310 1 1 b    11  ^then she would !h\ave to 'give up 'work#          / 
 5 8 118 9320 1 1 b    11  she just ^couldn`t 'manage to look ":\after him# - / 
 5 8 119 9330 1 1 b    11  par^{t\icularly} as the 'years went b\y#           / 
 5 8 119 9340 1 2 b    12  and I ^think you 'know if _he he`s "^going to have / 
 5 8 119 9340 1 1 b    12  an 'oper:\ation#                                   / 
 5 8 119 9350 1 1 b    11  to ^have 'some kind of - [@:] "!j\oint put 'in#    / 
 5 8 119 9360 1 1 b    11  a ^plastic j\oint or _something#                   / 
 5 8 119 9370 1 1 b    11  ^but . [?@:] it`ll !take a'bout a :y\ear#          / 
 5 8 119 9380 1 1 b    12  he`ll ^have to [@:] 'when ^\afterwards#            / 
 5 8 119 9390 1 1 b    11  ^y\/ou know#                                       / 
 5 8 119 9400 1 1 b    11  he`s ^got to 'learn to _get ar\ound#               / 
 5 8 119 9410 1 1 b    11  and . ^w\alk with it etc/etera#                    / 
 5 8 120 9420 1 1 b    11  and ^as he gets :\older#                           / 
 5 8 120 9430 1 1 b    12  I ^think ^sh\e 'said#                              / 
 5 8 120 9440 1 1 b    11  well she`d ^have to 'give up w\ork#                / 
 5 8 120 9450 1 1 b    11  and [@:m] - I ^think [?@] the !thought of h\er#    / 
 5 8 120 9460 1 1 b    11  ^spending !her l\ife#                              / 
 5 8 120 9470 1 1 b    11  the ^r\est of her _life#                           / 
 5 8 120 9480 1 1 b    11  "^at h\ome#                                        / 
 5 8 120 9490 1 1 b    11  ^looking 'after 'my :gr\/andfather#                / 
 5 8 120 9500 1 1 b    11  well . I`m ^sure 'she`d go :m\ad#                  / 
 5 8 120 9510 1 1 a    11  ^y=eah#                                            / 
 5 8 121 9520 1 1 b    12  ^and because "^h\e# -                              / 
 5 8 121 9530 1 2 b    11  [?@: i] ((you ^know is a 'basically)) 'inde'pendent/ 
 5 8 121 9530 1 1 b    11  t\ype#                                             / 
 5 8 121 9540 1 1 b    12  and [@:] . ^they they ((would)) ^probably :cl\ash# / 
 5 8 121 9550 1 2 b    11  ^as it 'is we 'always have him 'over at the        / 
 5 8 121 9550 1 1 b    11  'week\end#                                         / 
 5 8 121 9560 1 1 b    11  and . ^mummy pops 'over during the w\eek#          / 
 5 8 121 9570 1 1 b    11  one ^\evening or s/omething#                       / 
 5 9   1   10 1 1 a    11  ^that !l\etter I was 'going to {^g\ive you#}# .    / 
 5 9   1   20 1 1 a    11  to [@] ^take d\own#                                / 
 5 9   1   30 1 1 a    11  was ^just !sheer l\/aziness#                       / 
 5 9   1   40 1 2 a    11  be^cause [@] . I _wanted to 'get 'hold of 'Andrew  / 
 5 9   1   40 1 1 a    11  !L\ance#                                           / 
 5 9   1   50 1 1 a    20  but [@:m] .                                        / 
 5 9   1   60 1 1 b    11  I ^probably 'could have :g\iven it 'to# .          / 
 5 9   1   70 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#                                             / 
 5 9   1   80 1 1 a    20  ((you))*                                           / 
 5 9   1   90 1 1(b    11  *to ^s\ome*body#                                   / 
 5 9   1  100 1 1 a    11  well it ^w\asn`t {im^p\ortant#}#                   / 
 5 9   1  110 1 2 a    11  and you ^might have gone _out of your _way 'to [@m]/ 
 5 9   1  110 1 1 a    11  . to !g\/ive it to him#                            / 
 5 9   1  120 1 1 a    11  so I ^didn`t really :like to . !\ask 'you _to# -   / 
 5 9   1  130 1 1 a    11  [@] ^t\ake it t/o him#                             / 
 5 9   2  140 1 2 b    11  [w@] we ^didn`t 'actually 'go in'side the          / 
 5 9   2  140 1 1 b    11  :c\ollege#                                         / 
 5 9   2  150 1 1 a    11  *^oh I s\ee#*                                      / 
 5 9   2  160 1 1(b    11  *^just .* 'into the !l\ecture 'theatre#            / 
 5 9   2  170 1 1 a    11  ^have you seen !G\alway College# -                 / 
 5 9   2  180 1 1 b    11  ^just the :outs\ide#                               / 
 5 9   2  190 1 1 b    11  I ^didn`t go **:((in)) \inside#**                  / 
 5 9   2  200 1 1 a    11  **^\inside#                                        / 
 5 9   2  210 1 1 a    11  it`s** ^really fan!t\astic# -                      / 
 5 9   2  220 1 1 a    11  [@:m i] it`s ^much more :sp\acious# .              / 
 5 9   2  230 1 1 a    11  ^than [@:m] the [@] the !\other 'three c/olleges# ./ 
 5 9   3  240 1 2 a    12  ^and . [@:m] - ^though . I !think some 'people     / 
 5 9   3  240 1 1 a    12  'think it`s [@] . 'rather :s\ombre# - .            / 
 5 9   3  250 1 1 a    11  but [u] I ^l\/iked it 'actually#                   / 
 5 9   3  260 1 1 a    12  ^it was [@:m] - - it was [@] ^rather mon:\astic# . / 
 5 9   3  270 1 1 b    11  is the ^lay-out s\imilar#                          / 
 5 9   3  280 1 1 a    11  [? @] ^n\o#                                        / 
 5 9   3  290 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 9   3  300 1 1 b    11  *((^[/m]#))*                                       / 
 5 9   3  310 1 1(a    11  it`s com^pletely d\ifferent from the _others# .    / 
 5 9   4  320 1 1 a    11  ((and)) there`s ^much more \air#                   / 
 5 9   4  330 1 1 a    11  [@m] for instance ^some of the [kor] c\olleges#    / 
 5 9   4  340 1 2 a    12  ^have to . [@] . are are ^partly ex!p\osed to the  / 
 5 9   4  340 1 1 a    12  'air# -                                            / 
 5 9   4  350 1 1 a    11  [@m] at the ^s\/ides# -                            / 
 5 9   4  360 1 2 a    12  and . ^all [dhi: @m] - the the ^rooms are :grouped / 
 5 9   4  360 1 1 a    12  around *:st\air*cases#                             / 
 5 9   4  370 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 9   4  380 1 1(a    11  ^like at :C\ambridge# -                            / 
 5 9   4  390 1 2 a    12  ^but [@ its] it ^struck me as a '[ve] :very 'nice  / 
 5 9   4  390 1 1 a    12  de!!s\/ign 'actually# - -                          / 
 5 9   4  400 1 1 a    20  *((2 sylls))*                                      / 
 5 9   5  410 1 2 b    11  *but* they ^have no 'centre 'space that`s :fr\ee   / 
 5 9   5  410 1 1 b    11  {^d\o they#}#                                      / 
 5 9   5  420 1 1 a    11  ^[=@:m]#                                           / 
 5 9   5  430 1 1 a    11  well I ^didn`t see e'nough \of it# .               / 
 5 9   5  440 1 1 a    11  to to . de^termine the 'actual _str\ucture#        / 
 5 9   5  450 1 2 a    11  but [@] - it ^looks very b\oring {from the         / 
 5 9   5  450 1 1 a    11  ^outs\ide#}#                                       / 
 5 9   5  460 1 1 a    11  I`ll ^say th\at *for it#*                          / 
 5 9   5  470 1 1 b    11  *how* ^long ((has)) it been \open# .               / 
 5 9   5  480 1 1 a    11  [@m] . I ^think it just :\opened#                  / 
 5 9   5  490 1 1 a    12  ^after 'we . ^after we !l\eft# - -                 / 
 5 9   6  500 1 2 b    11  ^were you _there when they e'rected the 'new       / 
 5 9   6  500 1 1 b    11  :s\/igns# -                                        / 
 5 9   6  510 1 1 a    11  [dh] ^wh\ich 'new *_signs#*                        / 
 5 9   6  520 1 1 b    11  *^litt*le !n\otice b=oards#                        / 
 5 9   6  530 1 2 b    11  ^indi'cating 'where you 'had to 'go for            / 
 5 9   6  530 1 1 b    11  !\everything#                                      / 
 5 9   6  540 1 1 a    11  ^n/o# -                                            / 
 5 9   6  550 1 1 a    11  ^that must have 'been in the 'year \after me#      / 
 5 9   6  560 1 1 a    21  ^you _gr\a*duated*                                 / 
 5 9   6  570 1 1 b    11  *I ^think* it`s 'fairly :r\ecent# .                / 
 5 9   6  580 1 1 a    11  **^/is it#**                                       / 
 5 9   7  590 1 2 b    11  **^I** [?] 'graduated {J\une} 'nineteen            / 
 5 9   7  590 1 1 b    11  :s\eventy# .                                       / 
 5 9   7  600 1 2 a    11  [w@ we] were "^you 'there when they 'occupied      / 
 5 9   7  600 1 1 a    11  ((the)) Dor:n\assis 'building#                     / 
 5 9   7  610 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9   7  620 1 1 b    11  ^just at the \end#                                 / 
 5 9   7  630 1 1 b    11  ^that was the 'end of my *'final* !y\ear#          / 
 5 9   7  640 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#* -                                         / 
 5 9   7  650 1 1 a    11  do you re^member 'Terry Gr\eenbridge# .            / 
 5 9   7  660 1 1 b    11  ^Terry Gr\eenbridge#                               / 
 5 9   8  670 1 1 a    21  ^he was                                            / 
 5 9   8  680 1 1 b    11  *yeah ^who !w\as he#*                              / 
 5 9   8  690 1 1 a    11  *^he used to be* 'master of :H\ereford 'College# - / 
 5 9   8  700 1 1 b    11  was ^he a 'theo!l\ogian#                           / 
 5 9   8  710 1 1 b    12  **((or ^[samth])) ^y\es#**                         / 
 5 9   8  720 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 5 9   8  730 1 1 a    11  ^th\at`s right#                                    / 
 5 9   8  740 1 1 a    11  ^th\at`s** right# .                                / 
 5 9   8  750 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9   8  760 1 2 a    11  well ^he he 'wrote and 'told me 'all a:b\out       / 
 5 9   8  760 1 1 a    11  this# .                                            / 
 5 9   8  770 1 2 a    11  and it ^sounded 'abso'lutely 'inconse:qu\ential    / 
 5 9   8  770 1 1 a    11  /actually# .                                       / 
 5 9   8  780 1 1 a    20  [@:]                                               / 
 5 9   9  790 1 1 b    11  ^was he a _personal !fr\iend of y/ours or# .       / 
 5 9   9  800 1 2 a    11  [@m] . well . [@] . he ^used to 'be my 'tutor 'when/ 
 5 9   9  800 1 1 a    11  - [@] 'Mary :P\erling# -                           / 
 5 9   9  810 1 1 a    11  do you do you ^kn/ow her# -                        / 
 5 9   9  820 1 1 b    11  she was ^cl\assics#                                / 
 5 9   9  830 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9   9  840 1 1 a    11  yes *but ^{sh\e was my} :t\utor for ((2 sylls))#*  / 
 5 9   9  850 1 1 b    11  *^how did you 'have 'such 'odd* !t\utors#          / 
 5 9   9  860 1 1 b    11  if you were **^doing !\English#**                  / 
 5 9  10  870 1 1 a    11  **well ^I 'don`t :kn\ow#**                         / 
 5 9  10  880 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) she was ^absolutely :\useless#         / 
 5 9  10  890 1 2 a    11  ( . laughs) but [@:m - @] ^he was 'always my       / 
 5 9  10  890 1 1 a    11  :t\utor#                                           / 
 5 9  10  900 1 1 a    11  [w] when ^she was 'either :\ill#                   / 
 5 9  10  910 1 1 a    11  or a^w\ay#                                         / 
 5 9  10  920 1 1 b    11  ^y=eah#                                            / 
 5 9  10  930 1 2 a    11  and I ^had some [m m] !!very 'interesting [?]      / 
 5 9  10  930 1 1 a    11  _conver!s\ations 'with him# .                      / 
 5 9  10  940 1 1 a    11  I re^member \once [@:m]# .                         / 
 5 9  10  950 1 1 a    11  I ^went to 'him for a :r\eference# .               / 
 5 9  10  960 1 1 a    11  to ^get this 'job in !\Italy# .                    / 
 5 9  11  970 1 1 a    12  ^and . [@] . he ^started the 'conver:s\ation# -    / 
 5 9  11  980 1 2 a    11  [@m] . by saying ^nice !w\eather we`re 'having     / 
 5 9  11  980 1 1 a    11  _lately#                                           / 
 5 9  11  990 2 1 a    21  ( - *-* laughs)                                    / 
 5 9  11 1000 1 1 b    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 9  11  990 1 1(a    11  which is a ri"^d\iculous *{^w\ay#}#                / 
 5 9  11 1010 1 1 a    11  to ((sort of))* ^start a 'conver!!s\ation# .       / 
 5 9  11 1020 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 9  11 1030 1 1 b    11  ((^qu\ite#))*                                      / 
 5 9  11 1040 1 1(a    11  but ^s\omehow#                                     / 
 5 9  11 1050 1 1 a    11  he ^got it [ru] r\ound#                            / 
 5 9  11 1060 1 1 a    11  to [w] a ^really 'worth'while 'conver**:s\ation#** / 
 5 9  12 1070 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 5 9  12 1080 1 1(a    11  that ^l\asted# .                                   / 
 5 9  12 1090 1 1 a    11  for about ^three h/\ours# -                        / 
 5 9  12 1100 1 1 a    11  and . he ^started it \off# .                       / 
 5 9  12 1110 1 1 a    11  ^just to 'get to !kn\ow *me#*                      / 
 5 9  12 1120 1 1 b    11  *and* ^that was your _first !m\eeting#             / 
 5 9  12 1130 1 1 a    11  ^[/\m]# - -                                        / 
 5 9  12 1140 1 2 a    12  and ^he [?] well we`ve been ^quite 'close 'friends / 
 5 9  12 1140 1 1 a    12  ever *!s\/ince 'actually#*                         / 
 5 9  12 1150 1 1 b    11  *^g\osh#;-*;                                       / 
 5 9  12 1160 1 1 b    11  ^what is he n\ow# -                                / 
 5 9  12 1170 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell# .                                          / 
 5 9  12 1180 1 1 a    11  he`s ^just 'on '[dhi:] the!\ology de'partment#     / 
 5 9  13 1190 1 1 b    11  ^oh I _s\ee#                                       / 
 5 9  13 1200 1 2(a    11  but ^he`s . !{n\ot} 'master of :H\ereford          / 
 5 9  13 1200 1 1(a    11  'College# .                                        / 
 5 9  13 1210 1 1 b    11  did you ^know that !D\ornhope#                     / 
 5 9  13 1220 1 1 b    11  was ^master of !H\ustleford# .                     / 
 5 9  13 1230 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  13 1240 1 1 a    11  ((and)) ^did you "!h\ear#                          / 
 5 9  13 1250 2 1 a    21  that *he [?]*                                      / 
 5 9  13 1260 1 1 b    20  *((he))*                                           / 
 5 9  13 1250 1 1(a    11  got **^m\arried#                                   / 
 5 9  13 1270 1 1 a    21  to to ^Miss ( - - laughs)                          / 
 5 9  13 1280 1 1 b    11  **"^m\arried to#                                   / 
 5 9  13 1290 1 1 b    11  "^Mary M/\istle'ton#                               / 
 5 9  13 1300 1 1 b    11  ( - laughs) ^[\m]#**                               / 
 5 9  14 1310 1 2 a    11  yes ^she** was 'always 'rather . [@] :p\ushing for / 
 5 9  14 1310 1 1 a    11  'that#                                             / 
 5 9  14 1320 1 1 a    11  I could ^t\ell it# .                               / 
 5 9  14 1330 1 1 a    11  she was ^getting !more [d\efpr@t]#                 / 
 5 9  14 1340 1 1 a    11  as her *^sk\irts#                                  / 
 5 9  14 1350 1 1 a    11  [r@hr] ^r\ose#                                     / 
 5 9  14 1360 1 1 a    11  up her ^kn\ees#*                                   / 
 5 9  14 1370 1 2 b    11  *(laughs) ^I was 'quite sur!pr\ised* ((/ac**tually / 
 5 9  14 1370 1 1 b    11  that#))**                                          / 
 5 9  14 1380 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 5 9  14 1390 1 2 a    11  oh . you could ^see she was 'on the                / 
 5 9  14 1390 1 1 a    11  w\atch-'out# - - .                                 / 
 5 9  15 1400 1 1 b    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 5 9  15 1410 1 1(a    11  [*i@* i ??] her ^desper\ation#                     / 
 5 9  15 1420 2 1 a    21  was in ^direct pro'portion to her . *to to*        / 
 5 9  15 1430 1 1 b    11  *(laughs) to her "^sk\irts#*                       / 
 5 9  15 1420 1 1(a    11  to her !sk\irts {^y\es#}# .                        / 
 5 9  15 1440 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) [@:m] - ^y\es#                         / 
 5 9  15 1450 1 1 a    11  she ^she was 'rather a :b\itch to me /actually# .  / 
 5 9  15 1460 1 1 b    11  I ^never *:h\ad her#                               / 
 5 9  15 1470 1 1 b    11  but I ^heard . some* _nasty r\umours# -            / 
 5 9  16 1480 1 1 a    11  *((one one rather [th]))* . ^y\es# .               / 
 5 9  16 1490 1 1 a    11  but she [?] "^could be [re] n\/asty# .             / 
 5 9  16 1500 1 1 a    11  [em] . I ^always 'used to 'try and :h\umour 'her# -/ 
 5 9  16 1510 1 1 a    12  ^but [@:m] . one ^\always 'felt that# .            / 
 5 9  16 1520 1 1 a    11  the ^f\act that#                                   / 
 5 9  16 1530 1 1 a    11  [@] ^she wasn`t m\arried# .                        / 
 5 9  16 1540 1 2 a    11  was ^always being 'taken 'out on the 'people who   / 
 5 9  16 1540 1 1 a    11  'wrote !\essays 'for 'her# -                       / 
 5 9  16 1550 1 1 b    11  ^{y\es} qu/\ite#                                   / 
 5 9  16 1560 1 1 a    11  I mean ^\once# .                                   / 
 5 9  16 1570 1 1 a    12  [@] I I ^wr\ote a . "^\I 'thought#                 / 
 5 9  16 1580 1 1 a    11  was a "^{g\ood} . and o:riginal :\essay# .         / 
 5 9  17 1590 1 1 a    11  ^on [@:m] !Shakespeare`s !c\omedies#               / 
 5 9  17 1600 1 1 a    11  and she ^called it ec_centric !g\obbledi'gook#     / 
 5 9  17 1610 1 1 a    20  *( - - laughs)*                                    / 
 5 9  17 1620 1 1 b    20  *( - - laughs)* -                                  / 
 5 9  17 1630 1 1 a    11  ((which)) is ^t\ypical# - - -                      / 
 5 9  17 1640 1 1 a    11  ((anyway)) ^how do you 'find w\orking at#          / 
 5 9  17 1650 1 1 a    11  ^Uni'versity C\ollege# - - .                       / 
 5 9  17 1660 1 1 b    11  ^tr\ying#                                          / 
 5 9  17 1670 1 1 b    11  at ^t\/imes#                                       / 
 5 9  17 1680 1 1 a    20  ( - giggles)                                       / 
 5 9  18 1690 1 1(b    11  ^v\ery 'trying# .                                  / 
 5 9  18 1700 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  18 1710 1 1 b    11  it de^pends on 'how I 'wake 'up in the !m\ornings# / 
 5 9  18 1720 1 1 b    11  as ^w\ell#                                         / 
 5 9  18 1730 1 1 b    11  I I "^hate !M\ondays# - -                          / 
 5 9  18 1740 1 1 a    11  ^did you !find it . !h\ard work# -                 / 
 5 9  18 1750 1 1 b    11  ((well)) ^not so 'much h/\ard as# .                / 
 5 9  18 1760 1 1 b    11  it`s a ^question of ad:j\usting _to# .             / 
 5 9  18 1770 1 1 b    11  to ^Worth`s !t\emperament r/eally# .               / 
 5 9  18 1780 1 1 b    20  *((but))*                                          / 
 5 9  18 1790 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# *-*                                         / 
 5 9  18 1800 1 1 a    11  . you ^want to be [g]\areful# .                    / 
 5 9  19 1810 1 1 a    11  *^how much you !m\ention (('here#)) .              / 
 5 9  19 1820 1 1 a    20  ( - . laughs)*                                     / 
 5 9  19 1830 1 1 b    11  *^yes qu\ite#                                      / 
 5 9  19 1840 1 2 b    11  ( - laughs)* . well if you ^{w\ill 'ask} :leading  / 
 5 9  19 1840 1 1 b    11  :qu\/estions#                                      / 
 5 9  19 1850 1 1 b    20  **( - - laughs)**                                  / 
 5 9  19 1860 1 1 a    11  **( - - laughs)** ^y\es#                           / 
 5 9  19 1870 1 1 a    11  ^that was a 'bit of a sw/ine 'that# - .            / 
 5 9  19 1880 1 1 b    11  ((but)) ^st\ill# - .                               / 
 5 9  19 1890 1 1 b    11  ^no I enj\oy it#                                   / 
 5 9  19 1900 1 1 b    11  at ^least ((they)) 'don`t 'get very b\/ored# .     / 
 5 9  19 1910 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 9  19 1920 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#                                             / 
 5 9  19 1930 1 1 a    11  I can im^\agine 'that#*                            / 
 5 9  20 1940 1 1 b    11  *I ^think you "!c\ould do#                         / 
 5 9  20 1950 1 1 b    11  ^very* !\easily#                                   / 
 5 9  20 1960 1 1 b    11  with ^most 'secre!tarial !j\obs# -                 / 
 5 9  20 1970 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  20 1980 1 2 a    12  but ^one [n] "^one 'thing that 'struck 'me as      / 
 5 9  20 1980 1 1 a    12  'always - [r] !r\ather 'terrifying#                / 
 5 9  20 1990 1 1 a    11  a^bout !y\our 'job# .                              / 
 5 9  20 2000 1 1 a    11  was [dhi:] the pre^c\ision {^requ\ired#}#          / 
 5 9  20 2010 1 1 a    11  to . ^type 'out :those sl\ips# - .                 / 
 5 9  20 2020 1 1 a    20  [@:m] - -                                          / 
 5 9  20 2030 1 1 b    11  you ^mean the !survey !t\exts#                     / 
 5 9  20 2040 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  20 2050 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  20 2060 1 1 a    11  [dh] the ^sp\oken 'texts#                          / 
 5 9  20 2070 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  20 2080 1 1 b    11  ^qu\ite#                                           / 
 5 9  21 2090 1 1 a    11  (([@])) ^{th\at would} !t\errify *'me#*            / 
 5 9  21 2100 1 1 b    12  *oh* I ^didn`t like [?] at ^f\irst#                / 
 5 9  21 2110 1 1 b    11  I "^really 'found it . !\agonizing#                / 
 5 9  21 2120 1 2 b    12  because I just ^couldn`t . "^everything 'seemed to / 
 5 9  21 2120 1 1 b    12  go wr\ong# .                                       / 
 5 9  21 2130 1 2 b    12  I used to ^t\ype the _wrong ^m\iss [?] 'out the    / 
 5 9  21 2130 1 1 b    12  _lines and# -                                      / 
 5 9  21 2140 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  21 2150 1 1(b    11  just . "^type the the 'accents the 'wrong w\/ay#   / 
 5 9  21 2160 1 1 a    20  *( - . laughs)*                                    / 
 5 9  22 2170 1 1(b    11  *and "^miss out !cl\/oses#;-*;                     / 
 5 9  22 2180 1 1 b    11  but . it ^came 'after a :wh\ile# .                 / 
 5 9  22 2190 1 2 b    12  I ^[th i?] an ad^vantage is that you c\an 'go      / 
 5 9  22 2190 1 1 b    12  {^sl\owly#}#                                       / 
 5 9  22 2200 1 1 b    11  you`ve ^got an ex!c\use for t/yping 'slowly#       / 
 5 9  22 2210 1 2 b    11  you ^don`t 'have to !think that you`re :whizzing   / 
 5 9  22 2210 1 1 b    11  a'long the whole *t/ime#*                          / 
 5 9  22 2220 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 5 9  22 2230 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  22 2240 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  22 2250 1 1 b    21  **^which is**                                      / 
 5 9  22 2260 1 1 a    11  **are** ^\are you 'pushed for t/ime in 'fact# .    / 
 5 9  23 2270 1 1 b    11  with ^th\/ose# .                                   / 
 5 9  23 2280 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  23 2290 1 1 b    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 9  23 2300 1 1 b    21  ^usually *'nobody`s ((sort of))*                   / 
 5 9  23 2310 1 1 a    11  *^w\ell#                                           / 
 5 9  23 2320 1 1 a    11  in* "^g\eneral# - .                                / 
 5 9  23 2330 1 1 b    11  "^when it !comes to :\/ordinary 'typing#           / 
 5 9  23 2340 1 2 b    11  ^{y\es} I !think I 'should 'do it 'very            / 
 5 9  23 2340 1 1 b    11  :qu\ickly# - -                                     / 
 5 9  23 2350 1 1 b    12  and ^th/en I !get '[ver] I "^get 'self-c\onscious# / 
 5 9  23 2360 1 2 b    11  at the ^fact that I`m !not 'really 'typing 'very   / 
 5 9  23 2360 1 1 b    11  :f\ast#                                            / 
 5 9  23 2370 1 1 b    11  and I ^think . 'every'body`s a!w\are of 'this# .   / 
 5 9  24 2380 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  24 2390 1 1(b    11  *^think*ing !how t\yping# .                        / 
 5 9  24 2400 1 1 b    11  how ^{sl\owly} 'that girl`s !t\yping#              / 
 5 9  24 2410 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 5 9  24 2420 1 1 b    11  *((^b=ut#))* .                                     / 
 5 9  24 2430 1 2 a    11  but ^how how does 'this 'match 'up to your i:d\ea  / 
 5 9  24 2430 1 1 a    11  of a 'job# .                                       / 
 5 9  24 2440 1 1 a    11  [@] ^when you 'were at . [@:] - !t\eaching# .      / 
 5 9  24 2450 1 1 a    11  [@] ^s\ecre'tary# .                                / 
 5 9  24 2460 1 1 a    12  ^[sekr] ^secre!t\arial 'school# - -                / 
 5 9  25 2470 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t think "r\eally#                           / 
 5 9  25 2480 1 1 b    11  one ^has an i:d\eal#                               / 
 5 9  25 2490 1 2 b    12  of a ^j\ob when you`re . ^if you`re _doing         / 
 5 9  25 2490 1 1 b    12  'something like :secre!t\arial 'work#              / 
 5 9  25 2500 1 1 b    11  it`s [@] - "^best of 'all :\evils#                 / 
 5 9  25 2510 2 1 b    22  ^r\eally that                                      / 
 5 9  25 2520 1 1 a    11  ^y=es#                                             / 
 5 9  25 2510 1 1(b    12  ^one !th\inks of# .                                / 
 5 9  25 2530 1 1 a    11  but [hu] ^h\ow did you {^f\ind it#}#               / 
 5 9  25 2540 1 1 a    11  at at [@] . ^secret=arial 'school# .               / 
 5 9  25 2550 1 1 b    11  oh it was ^\awful# .                               / 
 5 9  25 2560 1 1 b    11  it ^r\eally 'was# .                                / 
 5 9  26 2570 1 2 b    11  because [n] they dis^{l\ike((d)) 'teaching}        / 
 5 9  26 2570 1 1 b    11  :gr\aduates {for ((a)) "^st\art#}# .               / 
 5 9  26 2580 1 1 a    11  ^wh/\y# -                                          / 
 5 9  26 2590 1 1 b    11  ^w=ell#                                            / 
 5 9  26 2600 1 2 b    11  [n] ^none of the 'teachers were 'graduates         / 
 5 9  26 2600 1 1 b    11  \obviously# -                                      / 
 5 9  26 2610 1 1 b    11  they were *[? @] ^fairly \/old#*                   / 
 5 9  26 2620 1 1 a    11  *oh ^n\o#                                          / 
 5 9  26 2630 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#* -                                          / 
 5 9  26 2640 1 2(b    12  ^and they re!sented the f\act that [?] we were .   / 
 5 9  26 2640 1 1(b    12  ^fairly \edu'cated#                                / 
 5 9  26 2650 1 1 b    21  and ^much pre'ferred the                           / 
 5 9  26 2660 1 1 a    11  ^r/\eally# .                                       / 
 5 9  27 2670 1 1 b    11  oh *^y\es#*                                        / 
 5 9  27 2680 1 1 a    11  *and* they ^sh\owed it# .                          / 
 5 9  27 2690 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  27 2700 1 1 b    11  ^very m\uch _so#                                   / 
 5 9  27 2710 1 1 b    11  they "^kept t\elling us that# -                    / 
 5 9  27 2720 1 1 b    11  we ^might be edu!c\/ation#                         / 
 5 9  27 2730 1 1 b    11  but we ^couldn`t do 'any*thing !\else#*            / 
 5 9  27 2740 1 1 a    11  *( - laughs)* ^y\es#                               / 
 5 9  27 2750 1 1 a    11  [dhi] this is what ^\I was 'always 'being 'told#   / 
 5 9  27 2760 1 1 a    11  on ^all [dhi:] . va!c\ation 'jobs I 'did# -        / 
 5 9  27 2770 1 1 a    12  ^that [@ - @m] - for ^=instance#                   / 
 5 9  27 2780 1 1 a    11  when ^I was . a !w\aiter# .                        / 
 5 9  28 2790 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  28 2800 1 1 b    11  *((^qu\ite#))*                                     / 
 5 9  28 2810 1 1(a    11  *[oo]* ^on the f\erries# .                         / 
 5 9  28 2820 1 1 a    11  [@m ha?] ^I was \always 'being 'told#              / 
 5 9  28 2830 1 1 a    11  you ^may 'have a degr\ee#                          / 
 5 9  28 2840 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 9  28 2850 1 1 b    11  ex^\actly#*                                        / 
 5 9  28 2860 1 1 a    11  *but you`re "^no _better* _waiter than :\I am#     / 
 5 9  28 2870 1 1 a    20  ( - giggles)                                       / 
 5 9  28 2880 1 2 b    11  ((they said)) (3 seconds of inarticulate sounds)   / 
 5 9  28 2880 1 1 b    11  you ^mustn`t "!th\ink ((it))#                      / 
 5 9  28 2890 1 1 b    11  this is an ac^quired sk\ill#                       / 
 5 9  28 2900 1 1 b    11  which ^needs !pr\actice#                           / 
 5 9  28 2910 1 1 b    11  you must just ^keep on g\oing 'at it# -            / 
 5 9  29 2920 1 1 a    11  ^y\eah# .                                          / 
 5 9  29 2930 1 1(b    11  ^hours 'every :d\ay#                               / 
 5 9  29 2940 1 1 a    11  but ^what 'made you de:c\ide# -                    / 
 5 9  29 2950 1 1 a    12  ^did you ^did you 'go from 'univ\ersity#           / 
 5 9  29 2960 1 1 a    11  [s] to ^secret\arial *'school#                     / 
 5 9  29 2970 2 1 a    21  [@]*                                               / 
 5 9  29 2980 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  29 2970 1 1(a    11  ^autom\atically#                                   / 
 5 9  29 2990 1 1 b    11  ((well)) it was a re^{\action} a_gainst !f\inals# -/ 
 5 9  29 3000 1 1 a    11  ^w/as it#                                          / 
 5 9  29 3010 1 1 a    11  *. ^y\/es#*                                        / 
 5 9  30 3020 1 1 b    11  *well* I had a ^bit of a 'bad t\ime#               / 
 5 9  30 3030 1 1 b    11  and I ^th=ought#                                   / 
 5 9  30 3040 1 1 b    11  I just "^can`t 'teach [im ?] im:m\ediately#        / 
 5 9  30 3050 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 9  30 3060 1 1 a    11  ^n\o# - .                                          / 
 5 9  30 3070 1 2 a    11  yeah it`s ((a)) ^really traum\atic {^way of !d\oing/ 
 5 9  30 3070 1 1 a    11  *it#}#*                                            / 
 5 9  30 3080 1 1 b    21  *^so* I just 'went into -                          / 
 5 9  30 3090 1 1 a    11  the an"^noying thing \is#                          / 
 5 9  30 3100 1 1 a    11  that ^so many _people !th\ink#                     / 
 5 9  30 3110 1 1 a    11  it`s ^some _kind of re!fl\ection#                  / 
 5 9  30 3120 1 1 a    11  on ^{wh\at you`ve 'been} d\oing# -                 / 
 5 9  30 3130 1 1 a    11  for the ^last . _three y\ears# .                   / 
 5 9  31 3140 1 1 a    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 5 9  31 3150 1 1 a    11  as a ^matter of ":f\act#                           / 
 5 9  31 3160 1 1 a    11  ^this was a 'kind of ":m\yth# -                    / 
 5 9  31 3170 1 1 a    11  ^that was sus"!t\ained# .                          / 
 5 9  31 3180 1 1 a    11  ^by by the !actual !l\ecturers# .                  / 
 5 9  31 3190 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  31 3200 1 1 b    11  *^qu\ite#*                                         / 
 5 9  31 3210 1 1(a    11  *^who s=aid#*                                      / 
 5 9  31 3220 1 1 a    11  [@] ^finals 'don`t m\atter#                        / 
 5 9  31 3230 1 1 a    11  but ^my _God they "!d\id 'matter#                  / 
 5 9  31 3240 1 1 a    11  **to "^th**\/em#                                   / 
 5 9  31 3250 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 5 9  31 3260 1 1 b    11  [?@] ex^\actly# -                                  / 
 5 9  31 3270 1 2 a    11  [@: @:] - - and [?@] ^that g\ot me a 'bit          / 
 5 9  31 3270 1 1 a    11  /actually#                                         / 
 5 9  32 3280 1 1 a    11  because [dhs] . ^those h\ours#                     / 
 5 9  32 3290 1 1 a    11  ^spent in the ex_amin:\ation room#                 / 
 5 9  32 3300 1 1 a    11  [b@] ^bore !no re!l\ationship#                     / 
 5 9  32 3310 1 2 a    12  ^to [@] . to what ^\I((`d)) been 'doing in the     / 
 5 9  32 3310 1 1 a    12  'last 'three y/ears#                               / 
 5 9  32 3320 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 9  32 3330 1 1 b    11  it`s very ^tr\/ue# - - -                           / 
 5 9  32 3340 1 2 a    12  I ^m=ean ((in)) ^one had !alway((s)) been t\aught  / 
 5 9  32 3340 1 1 a    12  that# .                                            / 
 5 9  32 3350 1 1 a    11  ^uni'versity was a 'place of :l\earning# -         / 
 5 9  32 3360 1 2 a    11  ^rather than a 'place . where :things were         / 
 5 9  32 3360 1 1 a    11  !t\aught# - -                                      / 
 5 9  32 3370 1 1 a    11  and . ^I r\eckon#                                  / 
 5 9  32 3380 1 1 a    11  that ^through those 'three y/ears#                 / 
 5 9  33 3390 1 1 a    11  I ^had been !!l\earning# .                         / 
 5 9  33 3400 1 1 a    11  ^rather than 'being !t\aught 'something# .         / 
 5 9  33 3410 1 1 b    11  ^did you !h\ate doing the ex/ams# - .              / 
 5 9  33 3420 1 1 b    11  (([@m])) ^were you 'very :n\erv*ous (('at)) them#* / 
 5 9  33 3430 1 1 a    12  *I "^really* [? w w] ^wh/at# .                     / 
 5 9  33 3440 1 1 a    11  ^I was !n\ervous# .                                / 
 5 9  33 3450 1 1 a    11  but I . ^fr\ankly 'I was# .                        / 
 5 9  33 3460 1 1 a    11  I was in^d\ifferent to 'them# .                    / 
 5 9  33 3470 1 1 a    11  I ^kn/\ew#                                         / 
 5 9  33 3480 1 1 a    11  [@] to a ^c\ertain ex'tent#                        / 
 5 9  33 3490 1 1 a    11  ((that)) that my ^future dep/ended 'on them# -     / 
 5 9  33 3500 1 1 a    11  but ^this is wh\ere# .                             / 
 5 9  34 3510 1 1 a    11  [@] ^so 'much that 'is ir:r\elevant# .             / 
 5 9  34 3520 1 1 a    11  is ^{introd\uced} into the 'uni'versity :s\ystem#  / 
 5 9  34 3530 1 1 b    11  ^yes qu\ite# .                                     / 
 5 9  34 3540 1 1(a    11  be^c=ause#                                         / 
 5 9  34 3550 1 1 a    11  when you`ve ^g\ot these 'two 'things#              / 
 5 9  34 3560 1 1 a    11  which are . [@] . es^sentially !\alien# - .        / 
 5 9  34 3570 1 1 a    11  "^being 'bound :\up with 'one an'other#            / 
 5 9  34 3580 1 1 a    11  one`s ^f\uture# - .                                / 
 5 9  34 3590 1 1 a    11  and . ^how one "d=oes# .                           / 
 5 9  34 3600 1 1 a    11  ^how one l\earns#                                  / 
 5 9  34 3610 1 1 a    11  at a ^uni:v\ersity# -                              / 
 5 9  34 3620 1 1 a    12  ^that . ^that . an:n\oyed me# -                    / 
 5 9  34 3630 1 1 a    11  the the ir^r\elevance#                             / 
 5 9  34 3640 1 1 a    11  of ^these 'two _{th\ings} to each _\other# - -     / 
 5 9  35 3650 1 2 b    11  ^did you _have a _lot of !mass hys:t\eria in y/our / 
 5 9  35 3650 1 1 b    11  year#                                              / 
 5 9  35 3660 1 1 b    21  were ^people .                                     / 
 5 9  35 3670 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell# .                                          / 
 5 9  35 3680 1 1 a    11  "^right be:hind "!V\alerie# .                      / 
 5 9  35 3690 1 2 a    13  ^there was [? @:m] - there was a ^[g\@:?] and ^not / 
 5 9  35 3690 1 1 a    13  far from m/\e {^t/\oo#}# .                         / 
 5 9  35 3700 1 1 a    11  [@] ^there was a !g=irl#                           / 
 5 9  35 3710 1 1 a    11  who ^spent the "!wh/ole t\ime#                     / 
 5 9  35 3720 1 1 a    11  "^cr/\ying# .                                      / 
 5 9  35 3730 1 1 b    11  ^yes in _f\act#                                    / 
 5 9  35 3740 1 1 b    11  there was [?] the ^girl be'hind !m\e 'did 'that#   / 
 5 9  36 3750 1 1 a    11  ^r/eally#                                          / 
 5 9  36 3760 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  36 3770 1 1 a    11  *((well))* it`s "^most _off-!p\utting# .           / 
 5 9  36 3780 1 1 b    11  ^Pete D\olo'mite#                                  / 
 5 9  36 3790 1 1 b    11  ^came and :s\aved her#                             / 
 5 9  36 3800 1 1 b    11  with a ^big _((long)) :h\andker'chief# .           / 
 5 9  36 3810 1 1 a    11  ^r/eally#                                          / 
 5 9  36 3820 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah# .                                          / 
 5 9  36 3830 1 1 b    11  *he was ^very :n\ice#*                             / 
 5 9  36 3840 1 1 a    11  *well it`s "^really* an:n\oying /actually#         / 
 5 9  36 3850 1 1 a    11  and she "^kept 'on _going \out#                    / 
 5 9  36 3860 1 1 a    11  and ^being 'led *\/in#* .                          / 
 5 9  37 3870 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 5 9  37 3880 1 1 b    11  **and ^bringing in !glasses of !w\ater#**          / 
 5 9  37 3890 1 2(a    11  **and in ^fact ((2 sylls)) '[gra: 'gra:] ((they))**/ 
 5 9  37 3890 1 1(a    11  gr\anted her#                                      / 
 5 9  37 3900 1 1 a    11  [@ @ @] ^quite a r\easonable degr/ee# - - -        / 
 5 9  37 3910 1 1 a    11  ((actually)) I ^I`m sur:prised to f\ind my'self#   / 
 5 9  37 3920 1 1 a    11  in the ^academic [@] . !w\orld a*'gain /actually#* / 
 5 9  37 3930 1 1 b    11  *^after th\at#*                                    / 
 5 9  37 3940 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 9  37 3950 1 1 b    11  **^I 'just** 'felt I [?] a com"!plete 're\action#  / 
 5 9  38 3960 1 1 b    11  I ^had to 'get a!w\ay for a _while# .              / 
 5 9  38 3970 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  38 3980 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  38 3990 1 1 b    11  *((2 sylls))* ^sure I 'took the :r\ight 'course# - / 
 5 9  38 4000 1 1 a    11  ^yes !w=ell# .                                     / 
 5 9  38 4010 1 1 a    11  [ju] ( - giggles) in a ^s\ense#                    / 
 5 9  38 4020 1 1 a    11  you`ve ^come _full !c\ircle# .                     / 
 5 9  38 4030 1 1 a    21  **( . giggles) be^cause ( - giggles)**             / 
 5 9  38 4040 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 5 9  38 4050 1 1 b    11  ( . laughs) "^w\ell#                               / 
 5 9  38 4060 1 2 b    12  ^by the 'time** ^by the 'end of a :year`s          / 
 5 9  38 4060 1 1 b    12  'secret\arial 'course#                             / 
 5 9  38 4070 1 1 b    11  I was ^quite 'glad to 'vote :b\ack#                / 
 5 9  39 4080 1 1 a    11  ^r/eally#                                          / 
 5 9  39 4090 1 1 b    11  ^oh y\es#                                          / 
 5 9  39 4100 1 1 b    11  *[i] it was "^s\o 'bad#*                           / 
 5 9  39 4110 1 2 a    12  *and you ^do "find you* ^do 'feel that you`re in an/ 
 5 9  39 4110 1 1 a    12  :aca'demic !\atmos'phere#                          / 
 5 9  39 4120 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  39 4130 1 1 a    11  I ^m=ean# .                                        / 
 5 9  39 4140 1 2 a    11  ^Worth 'couldn`t be a di:r\ector {in ^some         / 
 5 9  39 4140 1 1 a    11  !c\ompany#}#                                       / 
 5 9  39 4150 1 1 a    11  or ^something :like !th\at#                        / 
 5 9  39 4160 1 1 b    11  ^w\ell# .                                          / 
 5 9  39 4170 1 1 b    11  in his ^tr\eatment#                                / 
 5 9  39 4180 1 1 b    11  I ^think he !{c\ould be} !s\ometimes {^y\es#}#     / 
 5 9  39 4190 1 1 b    11  but ^not the 'actual :work I`m d\oing# .           / 
 5 9  40 4200 1 1 b    11  I`m not ^ordering _three 'tons of :p\aint or# -    / 
 5 9  40 4210 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 5 9  40 4220 1 1(b    11  *^f\urn*iture#                                     / 
 5 9  40 4230 1 1 b    11  for ^some_body`s **back**!r\/oom but# -            / 
 5 9  40 4240 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#** - .                                     / 
 5 9  40 4250 1 1 a    12  no but ^I 'find [dhi:] I ^found the "!y\ear# -     / 
 5 9  40 4260 1 1 a    11  I ^spent in :\/Italy#                              / 
 5 9  40 4270 1 1 a    11  [w@] was ^quite [@m] - . !wh\olesome# -            / 
 5 9  40 4280 1 1 a    11  it ^really w\as#                                   / 
 5 9  40 4290 1 1 a    20  [@:] .                                             / 
 5 9  40 4300 1 2 b    11  ((well you)) had ^plenty of !fr\eedom {as          / 
 5 9  40 4300 1 1 b    11  ^w\ell#}# .                                        / 
 5 9  40 4310 1 1 a    11  ^oh !y\es# .                                       / 
 5 9  40 4320 1 1 a    12  ^it`s [@m . @] . it was a ^kind of 'inde:p\endence#/ 
 5 9  41 4330 1 1 a    11  [@m] - ^being a !f\oreigner#                       / 
 5 9  41 4340 1 1 b    11  ^[=m]# -                                           / 
 5 9  41 4350 1 2(a    11  [@] . ^grants you an an im!m=ense . {a^mount of .  / 
 5 9  41 4350 1 1(a    11  _inde:p\endence#}# .                               / 
 5 9  41 4360 1 1 a    11  [@] you`re ^not re:qu\ired# .                      / 
 5 9  41 4370 1 1 a    11  to ^do !all !!s\orts of 'things# .                 / 
 5 9  41 4380 1 1 a    11  and . you can "^d\o all 'sorts of 'things# .       / 
 5 9  41 4390 1 1 a    11  and ^people 'take it for !gr\anted# -              / 
 5 9  41 4400 1 1 a    11  be^cause 'you`re a !f\oreign*er#                   / 
 5 9  41 4410 1 1 a    20  [@ ?@ @]*                                          / 
 5 9  41 4420 1 1 b    11  *were you a ^n\ovelty . t/o* them# .               / 
 5 9  42 4430 1 1 a    11  "^sl\ightly {^y\es#}#                              / 
 5 9  42 4440 1 1 a    20  *. [@m]*                                           / 
 5 9  42 4450 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#                                            / 
 5 9  42 4460 1 2 b    11  I mean* ^how did the [?] :children re\act 'to      / 
 5 9  42 4460 1 1 b    11  you# -                                             / 
 5 9  42 4470 1 1 b    21  ^w\ere they **[um]**                               / 
 5 9  42 4480 1 1 a    11  **[@m]** "^th\ey#                                  / 
 5 9  42 4490 1 1 a    11  [? . @] ^criti'cized my I:t\alian#                 / 
 5 9  42 4500 1 1 a    11  the ^whole dam((ned)) *!t\ime#                     / 
 5 9  42 4510 1 1 a    20  ( - - giggles)*                                    / 
 5 9  42 4520 1 1 b    11  *( - giggles) ^that`s not 'very n/ice#             / 
 5 9  42 4530 1 1 b    11  ^\is it#*                                          / 
 5 9  42 4540 1 1 a    21  +(([@m])) [w] ^whereas+                            / 
 5 9  42 4550 1 1 b    11  +but ^were you _teaching 'them+ :\English# .       / 
 5 9  42 4560 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  42 4570 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9  42 4580 1 1 a    11  though ^what was !st\upid a'bout it w/as that# .   / 
 5 9  43 4590 1 1 a    11  [@] o^r\/iginally# -                               / 
 5 9  43 4600 1 1 a    11  [@] . I was ^teaching _by the di:rect _m\ethod# .  / 
 5 9  43 4610 1 1 a    11  ^wh\ich is# -                                      / 
 5 9  43 4620 1 1 a    11  [@m] . you ^teach !{\always} in \English# .        / 
 5 9  43 4630 1 1 a    11  "^you sp\eak in 'English#                          / 
 5 9  43 4640 1 1 a    11  and ^th\ey 'speak in 'English# -                   / 
 5 9  43 4650 1 1 a    11  [b @ @ ? - ?] the ^i'dea be'hind it \is#           / 
 5 9  43 4660 1 2 a    11  that ^you - [@:m] - - . !teach {th\em} .           / 
 5 9  43 4660 1 1 a    11  \English# .                                        / 
 5 9  43 4670 1 1 a    11  ^much in the 'same w\ay#                           / 
 5 9  43 4680 1 1 a    11  as as ^they 'learnt their _mother :t\ongue# -      / 
 5 9  43 4690 1 1 a    12  [@:m] - but of [k] ^this \is [@dh@] in "^th\eory#  / 
 5 9  43 4700 1 1 a    11  ((it`s a)) it`s an ^ideal id/\ea#                  / 
 5 9  44 4710 1 1 a    11  it`s ^quite a *"n/\atural 'i'dea#*                 / 
 5 9  44 4720 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 9  44 4730 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#* .                                          / 
 5 9  44 4740 1 1(a    11  but it ^takes 'you a !very 'long :t\ime# .         / 
 5 9  44 4750 1 1 a    11  ^to . 'to . [@] ex:plain a "!very 'simple p\oint# ./ 
 5 9  44 4760 1 2 a    12  which ^just . [@] you could ex^plain the           / 
 5 9  44 4760 1 1 a    12  trans:{l\ation} of the w\ord# .                    / 
 5 9  44 4770 1 1 a    11  with^in . about 'two !s\econds# -                  / 
 5 9  44 4780 1 1 a    11  and e^v\/entually#                                 / 
 5 9  44 4790 1 1 a    11  [@] ^as I 'came !b\etter# .                        / 
 5 9  44 4800 1 1 a    11  [@] . ^came to 'under:st\and#                      / 
 5 9  44 4810 1 1 a    11  I^talian :b\etter#                                 / 
 5 9  44 4820 1 1 a    11  I I ^used I'talian in the :cl\asses#               / 
 5 9  45 4830 1 1 b    11  ^how !\old#                                        / 
 5 9  45 4840 1 1 b    11  were ^most of the !ch\ildren# - .                  / 
 5 9  45 4850 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 9  45 4860 1 1 a    11  [@] ^only a !f\ew of them#                         / 
 5 9  45 4870 1 1 a    11  were ^ch\ildren in 'fact# .                        / 
 5 9  45 4880 1 1 a    11  [@m] . ^I was 'teaching :\adults# .                / 
 5 9  45 4890 1 1 b    11  oh I ^s\ee#                                        / 
 5 9  45 4900 1 1 b    11  I didn`t *^r\ealize 'that#                         / 
 5 9  45 4910 1 1 b    11  I ^always 'thought they were :l\ittle#*            / 
 5 9  45 4920 1 1(a    11  *((2 sylls)) ^{\adults} :m\ainly#* -               / 
 5 9  45 4930 1 1 a    11  **^th=ough#** .                                    / 
 5 9  45 4940 1 1 a    11  +my ^b\est '[kla:]#+                               / 
 5 9  45 4950 1 1 b    11  **but** . +^wasn`t there a+ !b\arrier#             / 
 5 9  46 4960 1 1 b    11  ^r\eally#                                          / 
 5 9  46 4970 1 1 b    11  in ^teaching a :direct !m\ethod# .                 / 
 5 9  46 4980 1 1 b    11  to ^somebody whose _native _t\ongue#               / 
 5 9  46 4990 1 1 b    11  had ^been I:t\alian#                               / 
 5 9  46 5000 1 1 b    11  for ^some !t\ime# .                                / 
 5 9  46 5010 1 1 a    11  well ^th\at 'wasn`t#                               / 
 5 9  46 5020 1 1 a    11  so ^d\ifficult# .                                  / 
 5 9  46 5030 1 1 a    11  ^what I !d\id 'find 'difficult#                    / 
 5 9  46 5040 1 1 a    11  at ^f\irst#                                        / 
 5 9  46 5050 1 1 a    11  was ^t\eaching [@m]# .                             / 
 5 9  46 5060 1 1 a    11  a ^foreign :l\anguage# .                           / 
 5 9  46 5070 1 1 a    11  to ^p\eople# .                                     / 
 5 9  46 5080 1 1 a    11  to ^ch\ildren#                                     / 
 5 9  46 5090 1 1 a    11  who are "^so y\oung# -                             / 
 5 9  46 5100 1 1 a    11  that they had ^no con:c\eption# -                  / 
 5 9  46 5110 1 1 a    11  of ^what a !language !w\as#                        / 
 5 9  46 5120 1 1 b    11  oh I ^s\ee#                                        / 
 5 9  46 5130 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  47 5140 1 2 a    11  they had ^no con'ception of I"!talian as a         / 
 5 9  47 5140 1 1 a    11  :l\anguage#                                        / 
 5 9  47 5150 1 2 a    12  they ^just had a conc\eption - . of the ^words they/ 
 5 9  47 5150 1 1 a    12  :/\used# -                                         / 
 5 9  47 5160 1 1 a    11  ^which 'were the :m\/eanings#                      / 
 5 9  47 5170 1 1 a    11  of ^w\ords# - .                                    / 
 5 9  47 5180 1 1 a    11  and "^th\at was d/ifferent#                        / 
 5 9  47 5190 1 1 a    12  but in ^fact !once . and I I did ^half an !h\our# ./ 
 5 9  47 5200 1 1 a    11  ^in the !m\orning# .                               / 
 5 9  47 5210 1 1 a    11  to "^v\ery young ch/ildren# .                      / 
 5 9  47 5220 1 2 a    11  ^who [?] !learnt it 'abso'lutely ":p\arrot         / 
 5 9  47 5220 1 1 a    11  _fashion#                                          / 
 5 9  47 5230 1 1 a    11  and it was ter^r\ific#                             / 
 5 9  47 5240 1 1 a    11  [dh@] ^they were 'speaking :\English _some_times#  / 
 5 9  47 5250 1 2 a    13  ^better than . ^better than the [@:m] . ^better    / 
 5 9  47 5250 1 1 a    13  than the !!\adults#                                / 
 5 9  48 5260 1 2 b    11  and ^yet you _felt ((that)) they :didn`t 'really   / 
 5 9  48 5260 1 1 b    11  'understand what they were !t\alking a'bout#       / 
 5 9  48 5270 1 1 a    11  "^[=@:m]# .                                        / 
 5 9  48 5280 1 1 b    11  or *^d\id they#*                                   / 
 5 9  48 5290 1 2(a    11  *^well* as 'far as they 'under'stand their :\own   / 
 5 9  48 5290 1 1(a    11  'word for *s/ome*thing# - -                        / 
 5 9  48 5300 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  48 5310 1 1(a    11  [@] . ^y\es# .                                     / 
 5 9  48 5320 1 1 a    11  they ^d\id# .                                      / 
 5 9  48 5330 1 1 a    11  [j] you ^see an /object# .                         / 
 5 9  49 5340 1 1 a    11  you ^call it !by a !!n\ame# .                      / 
 5 9  49 5350 1 1 a    12  and ^this was [?] ^this was !\it#                  / 
 5 9  49 5360 1 1 a    11  we ^used a !l\ady'bird 'book# .                    / 
 5 9  49 5370 1 1 a    11  with ^just !p/ictures# -                           / 
 5 9  49 5380 1 1 b    11  what the ^ones they 'have in !\England# .          / 
 5 9  49 5390 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9  49 5400 1 1 b    11  ^g\osh#                                            / 
 5 9  49 5410 1 1(a    11  and [j] you ^p/oint to 'it# .                      / 
 5 9  49 5420 1 1 a    11  and ^th\ey 'learn it /off# -                       / 
 5 9  49 5430 1 1 a    11  ^b\all# - .                                        / 
 5 9  49 5440 1 1 a    11  "^what c/olour 'is it# -                           / 
 5 9  49 5450 1 1 a    11  a ^r\ed 'ball# .                                   / 
 5 9  49 5460 1 1 a    11  and it was ^quite !!sw\eet 'actually#              / 
 5 9  50 5470 1 1 a    11  ^watching _these 'young !ch\ildren# .              / 
 5 9  50 5480 1 1 a    11  [@] ^l\earning th/is# -                            / 
 5 9  50 5490 1 1 a    11  and I ^got 'quite !f\ond of them /actually#        / 
 5 9  50 5500 1 1 b    11  ^{y\es} I 'think you :m\ust 'do {^r\eally#}#       / 
 5 9  50 5510 1 2 b    11  es^pecially if you`re ((in)) [?] 'close 'prox\imity/ 
 5 9  50 5510 1 1 b    11  with 'them#                                        / 
 5 9  50 5520 1 1 b    11  *^all the !t\ime#*                                 / 
 5 9  50 5530 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]# .                                          / 
 5 9  50 5540 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#* -                                          / 
 5 9  50 5550 1 1 b    11  ((but . did you)) ^have your 'after'noons fr\ee#   / 
 5 9  51 5560 1 2 b    12  be^cause they . ((they)) ^only 'teach in the       / 
 5 9  51 5560 1 1 b    12  :m\ornings 'over 'there d/on`t they#               / 
 5 9  51 5570 1 1 a    11  well ^n\o#                                         / 
 5 9  51 5580 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 5 9  51 5590 1 2 a    12  ^I ^I only had :half an 'hour`s 'teaching in the   / 
 5 9  51 5590 1 1 a    12  :m\orning#                                         / 
 5 9  51 5600 1 1 b    11  ^that was !\all#                                   / 
 5 9  51 5610 1 1 b    11  *for the* ^whole !d\ay#                            / 
 5 9  51 5620 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  51 5630 1 1 a    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 5 9  51 5640 1 1 a    11  [@] ^n\o#                                          / 
 5 9  51 5650 1 1 a    11  ^in the "!m\orning# .                              / 
 5 9  51 5660 1 1 a    11  and then ^four h\ours#                             / 
 5 9  51 5670 1 2 a    11  from ^four o`'clock to :eight o`'clock in the      / 
 5 9  51 5670 1 1 a    11  \evening# -                                        / 
 5 9  52 5680 1 1 b    11  oh ^that`s 'funny h/ours#                          / 
 5 9  52 5690 1 1 b    11  ^\isn`t *it#*                                      / 
 5 9  52 5700 1 1 a    11  *^y\es* {it ^\is#}#                                / 
 5 9  52 5710 1 1 a    11  but ^very 'very n\ice# .                           / 
 5 9  52 5720 1 1 b    11  be^cause you had the [h] !hot 'afternoon :\off#    / 
 5 9  52 5730 1 1 b    11  *. ^r/eally#*                                      / 
 5 9  52 5740 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 5 9  52 5750 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  52 5760 1 1(b    11  so *you could ^do what you !l\iked#*               / 
 5 9  52 5770 1 1 a    11  *and with "^th\at sort of* 'thing#                 / 
 5 9  52 5780 1 1 a    11  ^if you`re 'not 'teaching till t\/en#              / 
 5 9  52 5790 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 9  53 5800 1 1(a    11  ((it)) ^means you can g/et up 'quite 'early and# . / 
 5 9  53 5810 1 1 a    11  and ^get 'on with your !\own 'work#                / 
 5 9  53 5820 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  53 5830 1 1 b    11  ^qu\ite#                                           / 
 5 9  53 5840 1 1(a    11  which I en^j\oy((ed))# -                           / 
 5 9  53 5850 1 1 a    12  but "^how long . ^how long did "y\ou sp/end# .     / 
 5 9  53 5860 1 1 a    11  be^tween 'going to . 'uni!v\ersity#                / 
 5 9  53 5870 1 1 a    11  and ^secre!t\arial 'college# .                     / 
 5 9  53 5880 1 1 b    11  ^just the 'summer va!c\ation {^r\/eally#}#         / 
 5 9  53 5890 1 1 a    11  and ^what did you 'do in th\at# -                  / 
 5 9  53 5900 1 1 b    11  [da:] I ^really "c/an`t - rem\ember#               / 
 5 9  53 5910 1 1 b    11  un^less I [r] !th\/ink a'bout it# - .              / 
 5 9  54 5920 1 1 b    11  ^what w\as 'that# -                                / 
 5 9  54 5930 1 2 b    11  I re^member 'going on 'holiday to :P\aris for a    / 
 5 9  54 5930 1 1 b    11  'while#                                            / 
 5 9  54 5940 1 1 b    11  with some ^fr\iends# .                             / 
 5 9  54 5950 1 1 b    11  ^that was 'fairly sh\ort# -                        / 
 5 9  54 5960 1 1 b    11  and ^th\en# .                                      / 
 5 9  54 5970 1 1 b    11  just ^coming !h\ome and# .                         / 
 5 9  54 5980 1 1 b    11  ^semi-col!l\/apsing and# -                         / 
 5 9  54 5990 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  54 6000 1 1(b    11  ^do*ing* !n\othing at {^\all#}#                    / 
 5 9  54 6010 1 1 b    11  ^just being a !really ex:h\austed# .               / 
 5 9  54 6020 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  54 6030 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  55 6040 1 1 b    11  I`m ^sure I 'didn`t do :\anything# .               / 
 5 9  55 6050 1 1 b    11  ^pr\operly# -                                      / 
 5 9  55 6060 1 1 b    11  ^just didn`t !f\eel 'like it# -                    / 
 5 9  55 6070 1 1 a    11  ^no it`s a fan!tastic f\eeling of#                 / 
 5 9  55 6080 1 1 a    11  of ^being !c\ut {a^dr\ift#}#                       / 
 5 9  55 6090 1 1 b    11  *^y\es# .                                          / 
 5 9  55 6100 1 1 b    11  ex^\actly#*                                        / 
 5 9  55 6110 1 1(a    11  *[a:f] after ^f\inals#*                            / 
 5 9  55 6120 1 1 a    11  [n] I ^really r\elished it _actually# -            / 
 5 9  55 6130 1 1 a    11  ^as I !s\ay#                                       / 
 5 9  55 6140 1 1 a    11  I [w] I ^worked on the :b\oats# -                  / 
 5 9  55 6150 1 1 a    11  (sighs) and . ^earned a "v/\ast a'mount#           / 
 5 9  55 6160 1 1 a    11  on the ^b\oats#                                    / 
 5 9  55 6170 1 1 a    11  be^c=ause# .                                       / 
 5 9  56 6180 1 1 a    11  I was ^working 'through the !n\ights 'some'times# ./ 
 5 9  56 6190 1 1 a    11  and of ^course you get !\over'time# -              / 
 5 9  56 6200 1 1 b    11  oh ^y\es {of *^c\ourse#}#*                         / 
 5 9  56 6210 1 1(a    11  *and* some ^s\ometimes#                            / 
 5 9  56 6220 1 1 a    11  ^I was cl\ocking 'up a'bout#                       / 
 5 9  56 6230 1 1 a    11  ^th\irty-'five#                                    / 
 5 9  56 6240 1 1 a    11  ^forty 'quid a !!w\eek# -                          / 
 5 9  56 6250 1 1 a    21  ^and **[@:m]**                                     / 
 5 9  56 6260 1 1 b    11  **on ^top** of your 'normal :s\/alary# - -         / 
 5 9  56 6270 1 1 a    11  [@:] ^n\/o#                                        / 
 5 9  56 6280 1 1 a    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 9  56 6290 1 1 a    11  *^that was 'just for the w\eek#*                   / 
 5 9  57 6300 1 1 b    11  *^((that was)) in ad!d\i*tion# .                   / 
 5 9  57 6310 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah# -                                          / 
 5 9  57 6320 1 1 a    11  and ^th=en# .                                      / 
 5 9  57 6330 1 2 a    11  [@] ^just be'fore I 'went to . to - [@] 'out to    / 
 5 9  57 6330 1 1 a    11  :\Italy# .                                         / 
 5 9  57 6340 1 1 a    11  I ^th\ought#                                       / 
 5 9  57 6350 1 1 a    11  well I`d ^better 'see what`s 'going 'on in L\ondon#/ 
 5 9  57 6360 1 1 a    11  so "^Valerie and 'I 'went :\up#                    / 
 5 9  57 6370 1 1 a    11  ^h\ired a# .                                       / 
 5 9  57 6380 1 1 a    11  a ^pl\ace#                                         / 
 5 9  57 6390 1 1 a    11  for a^bout _ten d\ays#                             / 
 5 9  57 6400 1 1 a    11  and ^sp\ent# .                                     / 
 5 9  57 6410 2 1 a    22  ( - voices sigh) the *^most [e]*                   / 
 5 9  57 6420 1 1 b    11  *^\all of 'it#* .                                  / 
 5 9  57 6410 1 1(a    12  [@:] ^s\oul# .                                     / 
 5 9  57 6430 1 1 a    11  ^br\eaking#                                        / 
 5 9  57 6440 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) a^mount *of :m\oney#*                  / 
 5 9  58 6450 1 1 a    11  it was ^\awful#                                    / 
 5 9  58 6460 1 1 a    11  **it ^really :w\as#**                              / 
 5 9  58 6470 1 2 b    11  *( - . laughs)* **^if you 'don`t** 'think a'bout it/ 
 5 9  58 6470 1 1 b    11  'at the :t\ime#                                    / 
 5 9  58 6480 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not *so !b\ad#*                              / 
 5 9  58 6490 1 1 b    11  it`s just ^\after'wards#                           / 
 5 9  58 6500 1 1 b    21  **((that you ^get))**                              / 
 5 9  58 6510 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#                                             / 
 5 9  58 6520 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#* -                                           / 
 5 9  58 6530 1 1 a    11  **I ^p\aid** for it :{^\afterwards#}#              / 
 5 9  58 6540 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  58 6550 1 1(a    11  *because* in my ^first 'few 'months in in _\Italy# / 
 5 9  58 6560 1 1 a    11  were ^really !p\overty-*_stricken#*                / 
 5 9  58 6570 1 1 b    11  *((2 sylls)) ^y\es#*                               / 
 5 9  58 6580 1 1 b    11  ^that`s the tr\ou**ble#**                          / 
 5 9  59 6590 1 1 a    11  **they** ^really w/\ere#                           / 
 5 9  59 6600 1 1 b    11  I just ^felt I 'couldn`t w/\ork# -                 / 
 5 9  59 6610 1 1 b    11  ^in that summer vac/ation#                         / 
 5 9  59 6620 1 2 b    11  because I ^thought it would be my _last !l\ong     / 
 5 9  59 6620 1 1 b    11  'one# .                                            / 
 5 9  59 6630 1 1 b    11  so I ^made the !m\ost of it#                       / 
 5 9  59 6640 1 2 b    12  I ^can`t . ((I`m)) ^sure I 'didn`t do 'anything    / 
 5 9  59 6640 1 1 b    12  'really con!str\uctive#                            / 
 5 9  59 6650 1 1 b    20  *but [@]*                                          / 
 5 9  59 6660 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* - .                                       / 
 5 9  59 6670 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell# -                                          / 
 5 9  59 6680 1 1 a    11  I ^had a 'lot of ":pr\essure 'on me#               / 
 5 9  59 6690 1 1 a    11  to [@:m] - ^get a !j\ob and 'every'thing#          / 
 5 9  59 6700 1 1 a    11  but I just "^couldn`t im:\agine#                   / 
 5 9  59 6710 1 1 a    11  ^what I was !going to !d\o# -                      / 
 5 9  60 6720 1 1 a    11  I ^had my !\own 'work#                             / 
 5 9  60 6730 1 1 a    11  ((and)) "^that was just :one c\onstant#            / 
 5 9  60 6740 1 1 a    11  ^which I - would re!l\y on#                        / 
 5 9  60 6750 1 1 a    11  ^thick and th\/in# .                               / 
 5 9  60 6760 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# - -                                         / 
 5 9  60 6770 1 1 a    11  but a^p\art from 'that# .                          / 
 5 9  60 6780 1 1 a    11  ^how to 'earn the :{m\oney} to :d\o it# -          / 
 5 9  60 6790 1 1 a    20  [@:m] -                                            / 
 5 9  60 6800 1 1 b    11  well you ^had !more :\open to you#                 / 
 5 9  60 6810 1 1 b    11  as a ^b\oy#                                        / 
 5 9  60 6820 1 1 b    11  ^r\/eally# .                                       / 
 5 9  60 6830 1 1 b    20  [m] -                                              / 
 5 9  60 6840 1 1 a    11  ^yes I sup!{p\ose} s\o#                            / 
 5 9  60 6850 1 1 a    21  but ^I *[@:m]*                                     / 
 5 9  61 6860 1 1 b    11  ((*but* you don`t)) ^have to "stick in an !\office#/ 
 5 9  61 6870 1 1 b    11  ^if you !don`t !!w\ant to# - -                     / 
 5 9  61 6880 1 1 a    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 5 9  61 6890 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell# .                                          / 
 5 9  61 6900 1 1 a    11  ^what else can you !d\o I m=ean# .                 / 
 5 9  61 6910 1 1 a    11  ^\I 'think /actually#                              / 
 5 9  61 6920 1 1 a    11  "^g/\irls# -                                       / 
 5 9  61 6930 1 1 a    11  have ^j\ust as 'much oppor'tunity# .               / 
 5 9  61 6940 1 1 b    11  well ^n\owadays#                                   / 
 5 9  61 6950 1 1 b    11  I [sp] "^y\es#                                     / 
 5 9  61 6960 1 1 b    11  I sup^pose that`s !tr\ue ((but))# -                / 
 5 9  61 6970 1 1 a    11  I ^m\ean# .                                        / 
 5 9  61 6980 1 1 a    11  ^any "girl could have 'gone out to th/at 'job# - - / 
 5 9  62 6990 1 1 b    11  you ^mean in !\Italy# .                            / 
 5 9  62 7000 1 1 a    11  ^y/\es#                                            / 
 5 9  62 7010 1 2 b    12  ^\I was 'thinking _more [i?] . of ^t\emporary      / 
 5 9  62 7010 1 1 b    12  'jobs#                                             / 
 5 9  62 7020 1 1 b    11  in ^in va!c\ations# -                              / 
 5 9  62 7030 1 1 b    11  ^r\/eally# .                                       / 
 5 9  62 7040 1 1 b    20  ((than)) - .                                       / 
 5 9  62 7050 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  62 7060 1 2 a    11  I sup^pose {g\irls} 'don`t 'get so 'much           / 
 5 9  62 7060 1 1 a    11  :m\/oney# -                                        / 
 5 9  62 7070 1 1 a    11  [@:m] . oh well they "^c\/an# .                    / 
 5 9  62 7080 1 1 a    11  I mean ^I`ve 'heard of j\obs# -                    / 
 5 9  62 7090 1 1 a    11  ((where there were)) ^people 'selling cigar\ettes# / 
 5 9  62 7100 1 1 a    11  [?@:] ^s\/alesman'ship#                            / 
 5 9  63 7110 1 1 a    11  and ^all 'sorts *of !strange !th\ings#*            / 
 5 9  63 7120 1 1 b    11  *((^y\es#                                          / 
 5 9  63 7130 1 1 b    11  ^that`s tr=ue#))* .                                / 
 5 9  63 7140 1 1(a    11  and they ^seem to 'earn a f/\ortune# - - -         / 
 5 9  63 7150 1 1 a    12  but I but ^I [@n] ^I en!j\oyed 'uni'versity#       / 
 5 9  63 7160 1 1 a    11  [d @:m] . be"^c\ause of 'these va'cation *'jobs# . / 
 5 9  63 7170 1 1 a    11  I mean I did ^all 'sorts of 'funny th\ings#*       / 
 5 9  63 7180 1 1 b    11  *oh ^y\es#                                         / 
 5 9  63 7190 1 1 b    11  ^so did \I#                                        / 
 5 9  63 7200 1 1 b    11  I ^wouldn`t have 'been with:\out them#* .          / 
 5 9  63 7210 1 1 b    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 9  64 7220 1 1(a    11  *^th/ings* that# -                                 / 
 5 9  64 7230 1 1 a    11  [@] . I ^th\ink# .                                 / 
 5 9  64 7240 1 1 a    11  would have "^br\oken 'me#                          / 
 5 9  64 7250 1 2 a    11  if I`d ^had to _do them for _any _length of        / 
 5 9  64 7250 1 1 a    11  !t\ime# - .                                        / 
 5 9  64 7260 1 1 a    11  but [@m] . were ^very !n\ice#                      / 
 5 9  64 7270 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 9  64 7280 1 1(a    11  for the ^time I was !d\oing them#                  / 
 5 9  64 7290 1 1 b    11  ((well they`re)) ^so re!l\axing#                   / 
 5 9  64 7300 1 1 b    11  and I ^think you 'get a ":k\ick out of it#         / 
 5 9  64 7310 1 1 b    11  as ^w\ell#                                         / 
 5 9  64 7320 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]# .                                           / 
 5 9  64 7330 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 9  65 7340 1 1 b    11  *^I was a* "!t\ea 'lady#                           / 
 5 9  65 7350 1 1 b    11  for ^\one vac/ation#                               / 
 5 9  65 7360 1 1 b    11  it was **^very** !f\unny#                          / 
 5 9  65 7370 1 1 a    11  **^w/ere you#**                                    / 
 5 9  65 7380 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  65 7390 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 5 9  65 7400 2 1 a    22  *"^Val*erie                                        / 
 5 9  65 7410 1 1 b    21  *^((1 syll))*                                      / 
 5 9  65 7400 1 1(a    12  ^V\alerie#                                         / 
 5 9  65 7420 1 1 a    11  was a ^tea 'lady at [@:m - @] . Le!f\evres# -      / 
 5 9  65 7430 1 1 a    11  in *^W\indlebury#*                                 / 
 5 9  65 7440 1 1 b    11  *in "^W\indle*bury# -                              / 
 5 9  66 7450 1 1 a    11  and ^that was 'really :\awful it *s/ounded#*       / 
 5 9  66 7460 1 1 b    20  (*-* - laughs)                                     / 
 5 9  66 7470 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  66 7480 1 2 b    12  ( . laughs) no "^I was 'in a :f\irm . ^I was 'just / 
 5 9  66 7480 1 1 b    12  in a 'firm of sur:v\eyors you s/ee#                / 
 5 9  66 7490 1 2 b    11  and I ^used to make their [?] !t\ea in the         / 
 5 9  66 7490 1 1 b    11  m/orning#                                          / 
 5 9  66 7500 1 1 b    11  "^t\ea in the 'afternoons#                         / 
 5 9  66 7510 1 1 b    11  and ^c\offee {in the ^m\ornings#}#                 / 
 5 9  66 7520 1 1 b    11  and ^wheel it r\ound#                              / 
 5 9  66 7530 1 1 b    11  on [d] ^tr\olley# .                                / 
 5 9  67 7540 1 1 a    11  ^/oh *y\es#*                                       / 
 5 9  67 7550 1 1 b    11  *((and))* ^that was a'bout !\all#                  / 
 5 9  67 7560 1 1 b    11  I ^worked for !two 'hours a d\ay# .                / 
 5 9  67 7570 1 1 b    11  and got ^paid the !full a!m\ount# .                / 
 5 9  67 7580 1 1 a    11  "^r\eally#                                         / 
 5 9  67 7590 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 9  67 7600 1 1 b    11  I ^used to wander _round _Russell :Squ\are#        / 
 5 9  67 7610 1 1 b    11  [dh] ^most of the t/ime# .                         / 
 5 9  67 7620 1 1 a    11  ^/\oh# .                                           / 
 5 9  67 7630 1 1 a    11  [@] so you ^know this 'area 'quite !w/\ell#        / 
 5 9  67 7640 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  67 7650 1 2 b    11  it was ^just . 'off !M\/onta'gue 'Street           / 
 5 9  67 7650 1 1 b    11  'somewhere# .                                      / 
 5 9  68 7660 1 1 a    11  ^/\oh# -                                           / 
 5 9  68 7670 1 1 a    11  [@] . ^y/\ou must have 'been# -                    / 
 5 9  68 7680 1 2 a    11  a^round 'when - !Faber and !F\aber {were ^st\ill in/ 
 5 9  68 7680 1 1 a    11  that 'place#}# -                                   / 
 5 9  68 7690 1 1 a    11  you know ^twenty-'four :Russell _Squ\/are#         / 
 5 9  68 7700 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  68 7710 1 1 b    11  that`s ^r/ight# .                                  / 
 5 9  68 7720 1 1 a    11  [@] . ^what did it _look 'like !th\en#             / 
 5 9  68 7730 1 1 a    11  because [n] ^now they`ve 'all moved :\out#         / 
 5 9  68 7740 1 1 a    11  and ^moved to a _different !pl=ace# .              / 
 5 9  69 7750 1 2 b    12  ((do you ^know I`m not [?] I`m)) - - ^don`t think  / 
 5 9  69 7750 1 1 b    12  'I can r/eally rem\ember#                          / 
 5 9  69 7760 1 1 b    11  ^very cl/\early# -                                 / 
 5 9  69 7770 1 1 a    11  I *was ^p\assing 'there the 'other* d/ay# -        / 
 5 9  69 7780 1 1(b    11  *it`s ^such a 'long 'time a:g\o#*                  / 
 5 9  69 7790 1 1(a    12  and ^I [?u?u] ^there were some !b\uilders 'in it#  / 
 5 9  69 7800 1 1 a    11  and I I . I was "^t\empted#                        / 
 5 9  69 7810 1 1 a    11  to ^go and !\ask them# .                           / 
 5 9  69 7820 1 1 a    11  [d] ^if I could !go \in#                           / 
 5 9  69 7830 1 1 a    11  and ^have a _look a!r\ound#                        / 
 5 9  69 7840 1 1 a    11  cos ((of)) course ^\Eliot 'worked 'there# .        / 
 5 9  70 7850 1 1 b    11  where "^\are they 'moved# .                        / 
 5 9  70 7860 1 1 b    11  ^where have they _moved to !n\ow#                  / 
 5 9  70 7870 1 1 a    11  ^into !Qu\een 'Street# .                           / 
 5 9  70 7880 1 1 b    11  *which ^=is#*                                      / 
 5 9  70 7890 1 1(a    11  *they`ve ^got a !big* 'modern bl\ock# .            / 
 5 9  70 7900 1 1 a    11  it`s ^s\omewhere a'round 'there#                   / 
 5 9  70 7910 1 1 a    11  I`m ^not 'quite :s\ure 'where# - - -               / 
 5 9  70 7920 1 1 a    20  but -                                              / 
 5 9  70 7930 1 1 b    11  is it ^Gr\eat 'Queen _Street# -                    / 
 5 9  70 7940 1 1 a    11  ((yes)) it ^m\ay be# -                             / 
 5 9  71 7950 1 1 b    11  because ^that`s 'off !H\olborn# -                  / 
 5 9  71 7960 1 1 b    11  ^s\omewhere# .                                     / 
 5 9  71 7970 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  71 7980 1 1 b    11  near ^Covent G\arden# -                            / 
 5 9  71 7990 1 1 a    11  [@:] ^n\o#                                         / 
 5 9  71 8000 1 1 a    11  I ^think it`s !nearer to 'Russell Squ\are#         / 
 5 9  71 8010 1 1 b    11  because ((there are)) a ^lot of "p\ublishers#      / 
 5 9  71 8020 1 1 b    11  round ^th\at 'area#                                / 
 5 9  71 8030 1 1 b    11  ^\aren`t there#                                    / 
 5 9  71 8040 1 1 b    11  The ^Bodley :H\ead#                                / 
 5 9  71 8050 1 1 b    20  and .                                              / 
 5 9  72 8060 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  72 8070 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  72 8080 1 1 a    11  ^yes !th\ousands# - - -                            / 
 5 9  72 8090 1 1 a    11  it`s it`s a ^very "r\ich# .                        / 
 5 9  72 8100 1 1 a    11  ^area of *!t\own#* .                               / 
 5 9  72 8110 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#* .                                         / 
 5 9  72 8120 1 1 b    11  ^\/Odhams#                                         / 
 5 9  72 8130 2 1 b    21  with their ^six 'blocks of -                       / 
 5 9  72 8140 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  72 8130 1 1(b    11  :h\ouses# .                                        / 
 5 9  72 8150 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# - - -                                       / 
 5 9  72 8160 1 1 a    11  but - - when^ever I p\ass these pl/aces#           / 
 5 9  72 8170 1 1 a    11  I ^m=ean# .                                        / 
 5 9  72 8180 1 1 a    11  I ^think 'Faber and :F\aber#                       / 
 5 9  72 8190 1 1 a    11  as a ^publishing *h/ouse#* -                       / 
 5 9  72 8200 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 9  73 8210 1 1(a    11  is ^more re!sp\onsible#                            / 
 5 9  73 8220 1 1 a    11  than . than ^m\ost 'actually#                      / 
 5 9  73 8230 1 1 a    11  they they they`ve ^got a !good l\ist# .            / 
 5 9  73 8240 1 1 b    11  oh ^yes they h/\ave# .                             / 
 5 9  73 8250 1 1 a    11  of ^th\ings#                                       / 
 5 9  73 8260 1 1 a    11  that I ^can`t be!l\ieve#                           / 
 5 9  73 8270 1 1 a    12  ^much had [mei] had ^made 'much :m\oney# -         / 
 5 9  73 8280 1 1 a    11  ^at the !\outset#                                  / 
 5 9  73 8290 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9  73 8300 1 1 b    11  have you ^read any 'Wilson :H\arris# .             / 
 5 9  73 8310 1 1 a    11  ^n\/o#                                             / 
 5 9  73 8320 1 1 b    11  ^h\e`s 'published by _Faber and _F/aber and# .     / 
 5 9  73 8330 1 1 b    11  [dh] *in my ^l/ast* y\ear#                         / 
 5 9  74 8340 1 1 a    11  *^what does he wr\ite#* .                          / 
 5 9  74 8350 1 1 b    11  "^Carrib\ean 'litera'ture# - -                     / 
 5 9  74 8360 1 1 b    11  the [?] a ^c\ourse was#                            / 
 5 9  74 8370 1 1 b    11  be^gun at !B\ank#                                  / 
 5 9  74 8380 1 1 a    11  ^/oh y\es#                                         / 
 5 9  74 8390 1 1 a    11  ^{th\at was started} *by 'Johnnie !J\ones#*        / 
 5 9  74 8400 1 1 b    11  *((4 sylls))* ^y\es#                               / 
 5 9  74 8410 1 1 b    11  and ^Wenklin !Sm\eet#                              / 
 5 9  74 8420 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  74 8430 1 1 b    11  in ^Carri'bean and 'African !l\iterature#          / 
 5 9  74 8440 1 1 a    11  ^/\oh#                                             / 
 5 9  74 8450 1 1 b    11  ^I didn`t 'do *it my!s\/elf#*                      / 
 5 9  75 8460 1 1 a    11  *there`s a ^full* !c\ourse now /is there# .        / 
 5 9  75 8470 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  75 8480 1 2 b    11  I ^think it`s '[?]even be'come a [?] a :m/\ain -   / 
 5 9  75 8480 1 1 b    11  _option#                                           / 
 5 9  75 8490 2 1 b    21  ^this was a . 'PB\W .                              / 
 5 9  75 8500 1 1 a    11  ^oh y\es# .                                        / 
 5 9  75 8490 1 1(b    11  {^c\ourse#}# .                                     / 
 5 9  75 8510 1 2 b    12  and ^then there was a [?] it was ^finally [?]      / 
 5 9  75 8510 1 1 b    12  ['ino:greitid] into the :f\inals#                  / 
 5 9  75 8520 1 1 b    11  ^brought ((it)) into the !f\inals# -               / 
 5 9  75 8530 1 1 b    11  but . my ^fr\iend#                                 / 
 5 9  75 8540 1 1 b    11  sort of ^did 'her - 'long vac :\essay# -           / 
 5 9  75 8550 1 1 b    11  on ^Wilson !H\/arris# .                            / 
 5 9  75 8560 1 1 b    11  and she ^got in 'such a !st\ate a'bout it# .       / 
 5 9  76 8570 1 1 b    11  ^\I de_cided#                                      / 
 5 9  76 8580 1 1 b    11  ^not to !read him for a'bout 'three *!y\ears# -    / 
 5 9  76 8590 1 1 b    20  ( - laughs)*                                       / 
 5 9  76 8600 1 1 a    20  *( - - laughs)*                                    / 
 5 9  76 8610 1 1 b    11  I just ^wondered if !y\ou 'had# .                  / 
 5 9  76 8620 1 1 b    11  *((but - ^[\mhm]#))*                               / 
 5 9  76 8630 1 1 a    11  *^n/o n\o#                                         / 
 5 9  76 8640 1 1 a    11  I ^haven`t even h/\eard* of him# -                 / 
 5 9  76 8650 1 1 a    11  no ^Johnnie !J\ones#                               / 
 5 9  76 8660 1 2 a    12  [w@] was ^always 'very f\ond of [@m] - ^Carri!b\ean/ 
 5 9  76 8660 1 1 a    12  'litera'ture#                                      / 
 5 9  76 8670 1 1 b    11  ^th\at`s 'right#                                   / 
 5 9  76 8680 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9  76 8690 1 2 a    12  and ^did a l/ot . he ^edited _several !b\ooks      / 
 5 9  76 8690 1 1 a    12  'actually#                                         / 
 5 9  77 8700 1 1 a    11  I`ve ^seen his !n\ame a'round# - -                 / 
 5 9  77 8710 1 1 a    20  **((2 sylls))**                                    / 
 5 9  77 8720 1 1 b    11  **^and** 'Ronald H\othfield#                       / 
 5 9  77 8730 1 1 b    11  as ^w\ell# .                                       / 
 5 9  77 8740 1 1 a    11  ^\oh 'yes#                                         / 
 5 9  77 8750 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  77 8760 1 2 b    11  *but* ^he went 'out to ((the)) :West 'Indies       / 
 5 9  77 8760 1 1 b    11  :\anyway 'in the **/end#**                         / 
 5 9  77 8770 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#** - - -                                   / 
 5 9  77 8780 1 2 a    12  ^no there were some some ^good and !lively         / 
 5 9  77 8780 1 1 a    12  p\eople# -                                         / 
 5 9  77 8790 1 1 a    11  at ^B/ank# - -                                     / 
 5 9  77 8800 1 1 a    11  but ^on the :\other _hand# - .                     / 
 5 9  77 8810 1 2 a    11  there were ^{s\ome 'people} who were 'just         / 
 5 9  77 8810 1 1 a    11  !st\arting# -                                      / 
 5 9  78 8820 1 1 a    11  and - ^some of !th\eir 'lectures#                  / 
 5 9  78 8830 1 1 a    11  ^weren`t too g\ood# .                              / 
 5 9  78 8840 1 1 b    11  do you ^think it was an ad!v\antage#               / 
 5 9  78 8850 1 1 b    11  to ^have a 'young :st\aff# .                       / 
 5 9  78 8860 1 1 b    11  ^looking !b\ack on it#                             / 
 5 9  78 8870 1 1 b    11  I *^think it was a !good i!d\ea#*                  / 
 5 9  78 8880 1 1 a    11  *^I 'think !s\o 'actual_ly#* -                     / 
 5 9  78 8890 1 1 a    11  "^some of them 'weren`t 'too :h\ot#                / 
 5 9  78 8900 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 5 9  78 8910 1 1 a    12  **I ^mean** . for "^\instance#                     / 
 5 9  78 8920 1 1 a    11  [li] ^listening to !D\olo'mite#                    / 
 5 9  79 8930 1 2 a    11  I ^don`t know if you 'ever {w\ent} to :D\olomite`s / 
 5 9  79 8930 1 1 a    11  'lectures#                                         / 
 5 9  79 8940 1 1 a    11  on ^Wh\it*man#*                                    / 
 5 9  79 8950 1 1 b    11  *well* ^they were 'more like !!s\ermons#           / 
 5 9  79 8960 1 1 b    11  his *^l\ectures#                                   / 
 5 9  79 8970 1 1 b    11  he just ^p\ounded#*                                / 
 5 9  79 8980 1 1 a    12  *^oh [?] "^r\/eally#* .                            / 
 5 9  79 8990 1 1 a    11  I ^I f\ound#                                       / 
 5 9  79 9000 1 2 a    11  it was ^just like _listening to _Whitman           / 
 5 9  79 9000 1 1 a    11  him!s\elf# .                                       / 
 5 9  79 9010 1 1 a    11  it was [@] oh ^b\eautiful#                         / 
 5 9  79 9020 1 1 a    11  ^oh fant\astic#                                    / 
 5 9  79 9030 1 1 a    11  and *that`s "^/all it* w\as# .                     / 
 5 9  79 9040 1 1 a    21  **^not ((a)) 'critical [@pri:sh i]**               / 
 5 9  80 9050 1 1 b    11  *(laughs) ^y\eah#*                                 / 
 5 9  80 9060 1 2 b    11  but ^you **don`t like 'Whitman :\anyway** {^d\o    / 
 5 9  80 9060 1 1 b    11  you#}#                                             / 
 5 9  80 9070 1 1 b    11  I re^member 'you . +:s\aying 'so#+                 / 
 5 9  80 9080 1 1 a    11  +"^n\o#                                            / 
 5 9  80 9090 1 1 a    11  ^but I+ :m=ean# -                                  / 
 5 9  80 9100 1 1 a    12  ^if . I`m !going to . [@] I ^need s\omeone# .      / 
 5 9  80 9110 1 1 a    11  who`s ^got a !proper 'critical *m\ind#             / 
 5 9  80 9120 1 1 a    11  to ^d\eal with it#* .                              / 
 5 9  80 9130 1 1 b    11  *^y\es# -                                          / 
 5 9  80 9140 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#*                                            / 
 5 9  80 9150 1 1(a    11  ^and . and _give a [?] . d/ecent appr\aisal 'of it#/ 
 5 9  80 9160 1 1 a    11  but [@] . "^D\olo'mite :{^d\idn`t#}# -             / 
 5 9  80 9170 1 1 a    11  and actually ^V\alerie#                            / 
 5 9  81 9180 1 1 a    11  [w] was . ^Dolo'mite`s [tju @m] tu!t\ee# -         / 
 5 9  81 9190 1 1 a    12  ^and . [@:m] - ^sh\e used to write#                / 
 5 9  81 9200 1 1 a    11  ^really good :\essays# -                           / 
 5 9  81 9210 1 1 a    11  and [?@] - (( (laughs) )) ^h\e would 'always 'take#/ 
 5 9  81 9220 1 1 a    11  this ^rather ado:l\escent ap'proach to them# -     / 
 5 9  81 9230 1 1 a    11  [@] which [w@] . ^\I 'thought#                     / 
 5 9  81 9240 1 1 a    11  was a a ^p\ity# -                                  / 
 5 9  81 9250 1 1 b    11  I`m sur^pr\ised#                                   / 
 5 9  81 9260 1 1 b    12  I ^never 'actually :h=ad him . as a ^t\each*er#*   / 
 5 9  82 9270 1 1 a    12  *^no* I ^\I never 'had him#                        / 
 5 9  82 9280 1 1 a    11  ^\either but **[@]#**                              / 
 5 9  82 9290 1 2 b    11  **but** ^I thought 'he was sup'posed to be 'quite  / 
 5 9  82 9290 1 1 b    11  g\ood#                                             / 
 5 9  82 9300 1 2 b    11  [@] I ^think I only 'went to 'one of his           / 
 5 9  82 9300 1 1 b    11  :l\ectures# .                                      / 
 5 9  82 9310 2 1 b    22  *but "^just*                                       / 
 5 9  82 9320 1 1 a    21  *well I ^think he*                                 / 
 5 9  82 9310 1 1(b    12  I ^h\eard# .                                       / 
 5 9  82 9330 2 1 b    21  that he was .                                      / 
 5 9  82 9340 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 5 9  82 9350 1 1 a    11  he`s ^one of the wh\izz 'kids#                     / 
 5 9  82 9360 1 1 a    20  but [@m]**                                         / 
 5 9  82 9330 1 1(b    11  **re^g\arded 'as#                                  / 
 5 9  82 9370 1 1 b    11  ^{qu\ite} g\ood ((yeah))#** - -                    / 
 5 9  83 9380 1 1 a    11  [@] . be^tween the !tw\o of them#                  / 
 5 9  83 9390 1 1 a    11  there was [@m] ^D\olomite# .                       / 
 5 9  83 9400 1 1 a    20  and -                                              / 
 5 9  83 9410 1 1 b    11  ^Mick Gr\/ew# .                                    / 
 5 9  83 9420 1 1 a    11  ^Mick *Gr\ew#*                                     / 
 5 9  83 9430 1 1(b    11  *did* ^quite a 'lot for A'merican l/iterature# .   / 
 5 9  83 9440 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  83 9450 1 1 b    11  and ^somebody \else#                               / 
 5 9  83 9460 1 1 b    21  ^[ki:? @m] .                                       / 
 5 9  83 9470 1 1 a    11  ^and you *'know that* :P\atrick#                   / 
 5 9  84 9480 1 1 b    11  *"^F\eltmin#* .                                    / 
 5 9  84 9490 1 1 b    11  "^D\ave 'Feltmin# .                                / 
 5 9  84 9500 1 1 a    11  ^oh y\es# .                                        / 
 5 9  84 9510 1 1 a    11  did **^did you {g\o} to h\is** 'lectures#          / 
 5 9  84 9520 1 1 a    11  they were ^very dr\y and#                          / 
 5 9  84 9530 1 1 a    11  ^very a:m\using# .                                 / 
 5 9  84 9540 1 1 b    12  **^he was ^he was '((really n\ice))#** - -         / 
 5 9  84 9550 1 1 b    11  oh he had a ^really "c\austic#                     / 
 5 9  84 9560 1 1 b    11  ^sense of *!h\umour /actually#*                    / 
 5 9  84 9570 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 9  84 9580 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 9  84 9590 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 9  84 9600 1 1(b    11  **^he was 'my** . :s\uper'visor for 'one t/erm#    / 
 5 9  85 9610 1 1 b    11  I ^thought he was 'really g\ood# .                 / 
 5 9  85 9620 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  85 9630 1 1(b    11  and ^terribly *h\elpful#*                          / 
 5 9  85 9640 1 2 a    11  *it`s like* when "^he 'had to . '[@m . @]          / 
 5 9  85 9640 1 1 a    11  !l\ecture# .                                       / 
 5 9  85 9650 1 1 a    11  on ^th\ings 'like# .                               / 
 5 9  85 9660 1 1 a    11  [?@] . *^P\ericles#*                               / 
 5 9  85 9670 1 1 a    11  ^Prince of !T\yre#                                 / 
 5 9  85 9680 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 9  85 9690 1 1 b    11  **oh ^n\o#**                                       / 
 5 9  85 9700 1 1(a    11  **and The** ^Winter`s !T\ale#                      / 
 5 9  85 9710 1 1 a    11  he said . ^as \usual# .                            / 
 5 9  85 9720 1 2 a    11  ^I`ve been 'given the !Pope`s 'nose of             / 
 5 9  85 9720 1 1 a    11  Sh\akespeare#                                      / 
 5 9  86 9730 1 2 a    11  ( - - laughs) which I . ^that`s the \only re'mark  / 
 5 9  86 9730 1 1 a    11  *I re'member ((at the m/oment#))*                  / 
 5 9  86 9740 1 2 b    11  *yes he ^always used* to 'make 'these .            / 
 5 9  86 9740 1 1 b    11  _st\atements#                                      / 
 5 9  86 9750 1 1 b    11  ((with)) ^terribly _flat **f\ace#**                / 
 5 9  86 9760 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 5 9  86 9770 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  86 9780 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  86 9790 1 1 b    11  not ^giving a !th\ing a*'way#*                     / 
 5 9  86 9800 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 5 9  86 9810 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  86 9820 1 1 a    11  ((that)) [?@] ^they **were !very am\using#**       / 
 5 9  87 9830 1 1 b    12  **I ^never used to** . I ^never "kn\ew#            / 
 5 9  87 9840 1 2 b    11  ^whether to 'take him :s\eriously or *'not         / 
 5 9  87 9840 1 1 b    11  /actually#                                         / 
 5 9  87 9850 1 1 b    20  ((2 to 3 sylls))*                                  / 
 5 9  87 9860 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]# .                                          / 
 5 9  87 9870 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#* .                                          / 
 5 9  87 9880 1 1 a    11  no ^I enj\oyed them# -                             / 
 5 9  87 9890 1 1 a    11  ^did you 'know that 'Patrick P\urdie#              / 
 5 9  87 9900 1 1 a    11  was at [@m - @] . at ^uni!v\ersity#                / 
 5 9  87 9910 1 1 a    11  with ^Mick !Gr\ew# .                               / 
 5 9  87 9920 1 1 a    11  and they were ^close fr\iends# .                   / 
 5 9  87 9930 1 1 b    11  ^which uni:v\ersity# -                             / 
 5 9  87 9940 1 1 a    11  ^h\ere# .                                          / 
 5 9  87 9950 1 1 a    11  Uni^versity *!C\ollege#*                           / 
 5 9  88 9960 1 1 b    11  *oh ^when* he 'did his M"!\A# .                    / 
 5 9  88 9970 1 1 a    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 9  88 9980 1 1 b    11  [m@?] I ^m=ean#                                    / 
 5 9  88 9990 1 2 a    12  they did an ^undergr\aduate [?@] . they were       / 
 5 9  88 9990 1 1 a    12  ^under_gr\aduates to_gether# .                     / 
 5 9  8810000 1 2 b    11  oh I ^know that 'Mick 'Grew did his M:\A in        / 
 5 9  8810000 1 1 b    11  _London#                                           / 
 5 9  8810010 1 2 b    11  but I ^didn`t 'know he was *an* 'under:gr\aduate   / 
 5 9  8810010 1 1 b    11  'here# -                                           / 
 5 9  8810020 1 1 b    11  at ^U**_\/C#**                                     / 
 5 9  8810030 1 1 a    11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 5 9  8810040 1 1 a    11  **oh** ^/\I under'stood that he _did his# .        / 
 5 9  8910050 1 1 a    11  ^MA or 'Ph\/D# .                                   / 
 5 9  8910060 1 1 a    11  if he - is it ^D/octor 'Grew# - -                  / 
 5 9  8910070 1 1 a    20  *((1 syll))*                                       / 
 5 9  8910080 1 1 b    11  well *^he* was an :M'A when !\I 'had 'him# -       / 
 5 9  8910090 1 1 a    11  *^\oh#*                                            / 
 5 9  8910100 1 2 b    12  *he* ^might be . [@u @] he`s a^way in A**!m\erica  / 
 5 9  8910100 1 1 b    12  {at the ^m\oment#}#**                              / 
 5 9  8910110 1 1 a    11  **well he ^went to Am\er**ica# -                   / 
 5 9  8910120 1 1 b    11  *^th\at`s 'right#                                  / 
 5 9  8910130 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 9  8910140 1 2(a    11  *and ((I)) ^think* he did [i] his 'further 'degrees/ 
 5 9  8910140 1 1(a    11  th\ere#                                            / 
 5 9  9010150 1 1 b    11  I`ve ^probably 'got a bit **:m\uddled#**           / 
 5 9  9010160 1 2 a    13  **but they were ^[an]** they were ^[and@]          / 
 5 9  9010160 1 1 a    13  ^under!gr\aduates 'here *to'gether#*               / 
 5 9  9010170 1 1 b    11  *I ^liked* him 'very :m\uch#                       / 
 5 9  9010180 1 1 b    11  ^he was my !s\upervisor#                           / 
 5 9  9010190 1 1 a    11  *^w/as he#*                                        / 
 5 9  9010200 1 1(b    11  *for my* ^long vac **!\essay {^y\es#}#**           / 
 5 9  9010210 1 1 a    11  **oh I I I ^didn`t !kn\ow** him 'that 'well# - .   / 
 5 9  9110220 1 1 b    11  [n] he was ^very *h\elpful {as ^w\ell#}#*          / 
 5 9  9110230 1 1 a    11  *but ^of* the tw\o#                                / 
 5 9  9110240 1 1 a    11  ^he 'seemed [@] :much the "b\etter#                / 
 5 9  9110250 1 1 a    11  ((and more)) and more "^cr\itical **'lecturer#**   / 
 5 9  9110260 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 9  9110270 1 1 b    11  he had a ^s\olid ap'proa[sh]# -                    / 
 5 9  9110280 1 1 b    11  *as ^w\ell#*                                       / 
 5 9  9110290 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#* - - -                                     / 
 5 9  9110300 1 1 a    12  ^but [@m] - - ^doing lingu\istics#                 / 
 5 9  9110310 1 1 a    11  a^part from those **l\ectures** I 'gave#           / 
 5 9  9210320 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 5 9  9210330 1 2(a    12  it ^takes you !\out of 'this [@m] . ^out of the    / 
 5 9  9210330 1 1(a    12  l\iterary 'scene {at ^\all#}#                      / 
 5 9  9210340 1 1 a    11  [@] - ^quite a b\it# .                             / 
 5 9  9210350 1 2 b    12  [i] ^almost . it ^must 'also 'throw some !l\ight on/ 
 5 9  9210350 1 1 b    12  it 'though# -                                      / 
 5 9  9210360 1 1 a    21  *"^[@:]*                                           / 
 5 9  9210370 1 2 b    11  *because* "^I find ((that)) 'myself 'totally cut   / 
 5 9  9210370 1 1 b    11  !\off# .                                           / 
 5 9  9210380 1 1 b    11  because ^everybody`s 'talking lingu\istics#        / 
 5 9  9210390 1 1 b    11  and ^I really 'think this is \awful#               / 
 5 9  9310400 1 1 b    11  I ^don`t know a 'thing a!b\out it# -               / 
 5 9  9310410 1 2 a    11  well of course I I [@] ^\I didn`t 'know anything   / 
 5 9  9310410 1 1 a    11  ab/out it#                                         / 
 5 9  9310420 1 1 a    11  ^\either#                                          / 
 5 9  9310430 1 1 a    11  but [@m] - - when I *^f\/irst 'came#*              / 
 5 9  9310440 1 2 b    11  *but you`ve ^obviously* 'got yourself              / 
 5 9  9310440 1 1 b    11  :\interested# -                                    / 
 5 9  9310450 1 1 a    11  [@] "^y\es# .                                      / 
 5 9  9310460 1 2 a    11  [@m] - I I be^lieve in 'letting 'oneself . "have [?/ 
 5 9  9310460 1 1 a    11  @] - . "!h\/aving to be 'interes'ted#              / 
 5 9  9310470 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  9410480 1 1(a    11  [f@rin] I "^h\ad to become /interested#            / 
 5 9  9410490 1 1 a    11  ^in . [@m] . lingu\istics#                         / 
 5 9  9410500 2 2 a    21  in ^such a 'way as I ((could)) I *'I* could 'get up/ 
 5 9  9410500 2 1 a    21  'interest                                          / 
 5 9  9410510 1 1 b    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 5 9  9410500 1 1(a    11  to 'do the 'M:\A# -                                / 
 5 9  9410520 1 1 a    12  but . [@] there ^have [bi] ^h\ave been#            / 
 5 9  9410530 1 1 a    11  sort of ^\efforts# .                               / 
 5 9  9410540 1 1 a    11  ^on the _part of s\/ome#                           / 
 5 9  9410550 1 1 a    11  to [@m] . com^bine l\iterature# .                  / 
 5 9  9410560 1 1 a    11  and lin^gu\istics# .                               / 
 5 9  9410570 1 1 a    11  and ^quite fr\/ankly# .                            / 
 5 9  9410580 1 1 a    11  the re^s\ults# .                                   / 
 5 9  9410590 1 1 a    11  I ^don`t think are 'very in!sp\iring#              / 
 5 9  9510600 1 1 b    11  ^don`t you _think it w/\orks# -                    / 
 5 9  9510610 1 1 a    20  [n] - ( . snorts) - .                              / 
 5 9  9510620 1 1 b    21  but ^from *the 'point of 'view of*                 / 
 5 9  9510630 1 2 a    11  *I ^don`t think they 'really* have 'anything "new  / 
 5 9  9510630 1 1 a    11  to s\ay# -                                         / 
 5 9  9510640 1 1 a    11  [@] I ^read \one 'book# .                          / 
 5 9  9510650 1 1 a    11  [@] - well we`ll ^leave which 'one it w\as#        / 
 5 9  9510660 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 5 9  9510670 1 1(a    11  and . ^r\eally#                                    / 
 5 9  9510680 1 1 a    11  it ^didn`t 'tell me !anything n\ew# .              / 
 5 9  9610690 1 1 a    11  at ^\all#                                          / 
 5 9  9610700 1 2 a    11  ((as a)) ^matter of 'fact it was 'rather           / 
 5 9  9610700 1 1 a    11  !b\oring# .                                        / 
 5 9  9610710 1 2 b    12  you ^don`t think it h\elps ((from [?])) . ^judging / 
 5 9  9610710 1 1 b    12  a _book from its _sty:l\istic 'point of 'view# .   / 
 5 9  9610720 1 1 a    12  [@m] . ^to an ex^t/\ent#                           / 
 5 9  9610730 1 1 a    11  I I I I ^f\ind# .                                  / 
 5 9  9610740 1 1 a    20  [@m] - -                                           / 
 5 9  9610750 1 1 b    11  in the ^str\ucture# -                              / 
 5 9  9610760 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 5 9  9610770 1 1 a    11  ^to an ext\ent#                                    / 
 5 9  9610780 1 1 a    11  [m m] *^not a l\ot#*                               / 
 5 9  9610790 1 1 b    11  *but you ^don`t think it`s !n\ecess*ary# -         / 
 5 9  9710800 1 1 a    11  ^[=@: i?]# .                                       / 
 5 9  9710810 1 1 a    11  I ^wouldn`t have 'said it was "\unnecessary#       / 
 5 9  9710820 1 1 b    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 5 9  9710830 1 2(a    11  - [@:m] - - but it was ^funny _going to this       / 
 5 9  9710830 1 1(a    11  !s\eminar# -                                       / 
 5 9  9710840 1 1 a    11  ^on . _on . E M !Forster`s M\aurice# .             / 
 5 9  9710850 1 1 b    11  oh you ^w\ent to 'that#                            / 
 5 9  9710860 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9  9710870 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9  9710880 1 1 b    11  *was it* suc^c/essful# -                           / 
 5 9  9710890 1 1 a    11  ^y\/es# .                                          / 
 5 9  9710900 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9  9710910 1 1 a    11  [th@] some ^very 'interesting 'points were m\ade# ./ 
 5 9  9810920 1 1 a    11  but the ^whole 'point of the s\eminar 'was that#   / 
 5 9  9810930 1 2 a    11  I ^don`t think 'any'body 'thought it was a         / 
 5 9  9810930 1 1 a    11  'par:ticularly 'great b\ook# .                     / 
 5 9  9810940 1 1 b    11  ^n\o# .                                            / 
 5 9  9810950 1 1 b    11  ^qu\ite#                                           / 
 5 9  9810960 1 1 b    11  it was ^very \early# .                             / 
 5 9  9810970 1 1 a    21  *[m] ^but but*                                     / 
 5 9  9810980 1 1 b    11  *did you* ^r\ead it 'in the /end# .                / 
 5 9  9810990 1 1 a    11  ^y\es I {^d\id#}#                                  / 
 5 9  9811000 1 2 a    12  I ^read it bef\ore you can ^read it in a 'in a     / 
 5 9  9811000 1 1 a    12  :s\itting#                                         / 
 5 9  9811010 1 1 a    11  if if you if you ^sit *d/own#                      / 
 5 9  9811020 1 1 a    20  ((2 sylls))*                                       / 
 5 9  9911030 1 1 b    11  *((if you ^really)) 'sit d\own* and# -             / 
 5 9  9911040 1 1 a    11  ^and [@m] - . !I f\ound# .                         / 
 5 9  9911050 1 1 a    11  the ^only 'thing that g\ot me a'bout this# .       / 
 5 9  9911060 1 1 a    11  ^this [@:] - _s\/emi'nar 'was that# .              / 
 5 9  9911070 1 1 a    11  ^none of them 'thought it was a 'great :b\/ook# -  / 
 5 9  9911080 1 1 a    11  but they were ^all t\alking# .                     / 
 5 9  9911090 1 1 a    11  on ^such a "!d\etailed# .                          / 
 5 9  9911100 1 1 a    11  [@] ^l\evel# .                                     / 
 5 9  9911110 1 2 a    11  they weren`t ^talking on [s] a a "!g\eneral        / 
 5 9  9911110 1 1 a    11  *e'nough* l/evel# .                                / 
 5 9  9911120 1 1 b    11  *^[/\m]#*                                          / 
 5 9  9911130 1 1(a    11  and "^nothing 'they "s/\aid# .                     / 
 5 9  9911140 1 1 a    11  ^w\/ell# -                                         / 
 5 9  9911150 1 1 a    11  [@] ^put it :th\is 'way# -                         / 
 5 9 10011160 1 2 a    11  [@] . ^everything 'they 'said could be :quite      / 
 5 9 10011160 1 1 a    11  !tr\/ue# .                                         / 
 5 9 10011170 1 1 a    11  and ^yet it could !still re'main a :great b\ook# - / 
 5 9 10011180 1 2 a    12  and ^I I I was . I ^found it !d\ifficult to 'get   / 
 5 9 10011180 1 1 a    12  'get {the ^point _\over ((that))#}#                / 
 5 9 10011190 2 1 b    22  you ^mean they((`ve)) [?]                          / 
 5 9 10011200 1 1 a    21  *I I ^felt they 'should be !speaking 'on a :more*  / 
 5 9 10011190 1 2(b    12  *((the ap^proach)) wasn`t 'really {cr\itical}*     / 
 5 9 10011190 1 1(b    12  en/\ough# .                                        / 
 5 9 10111210 1 1 a    11  [@] they ^were being v/ery cr\itical#              / 
 5 9 10111220 1 2 a    11  ^on the !level ((in)) which on 'which they were    / 
 5 9 10111220 1 1 a    11  !t\alking# -                                       / 
 5 9 10111230 1 2 a    11  but . they ^should`ve been _talking 'on a 'on a    / 
 5 9 10111230 1 1 a    11  'more !!g\eneral 'level# -                         / 
 5 9 10111240 1 2 b    11  ^did they . 'look at . 'Forster`s 'work as a       / 
 5 9 10111240 1 1 b    11  wh\ole# .                                          / 
 5 9 10111250 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 5 9 10111260 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9 10111270 1 1(b    11  *and* ^view !M\aurice# .                           / 
 5 9 10111280 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 5 9 10111290 1 1(b    11  **^in** the !l\ight of it#                         / 
 5 9 10211300 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9 10211310 1 1 a    11  they al^l\ied it 'with#                            / 
 5 9 10211320 1 1 a    11  [@m] . with the the ^\other 'novels#               / 
 5 9 10211330 1 1 a    11  ^Howard`s \End# -                                  / 
 5 9 10211340 1 1 a    11  ^only *conn\ect {^you rem\ember#}#*                / 
 5 9 10211350 1 1 b    11  *which is the ^only _one* I !l\ike ((/actually#))  / 
 5 9 10211360 1 1 a    20  **(laughs)**                                       / 
 5 9 10211370 1 1 b    11  **(laughs) ^y\es#**                                / 
 5 9 10211380 1 1 a    11  ^do you rem\ember 'that#                           / 
 5 9 10211390 1 1 b    11  ^\oh# .                                            / 
 5 9 10211400 1 1 b    11  it was the "^first thing I h\eard#                 / 
 5 9 10211410 1 1 b    11  when I ^got to univ\ersity#                        / 
 5 9 10311420 1 1 a    11  yeah ^y\es#                                        / 
 5 9 10311430 1 1 a    11  *^only conn\ect#                                   / 
 5 9 10311440 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 9 10311450 1 1(b    11  *^William P\inner#                                 / 
 5 9 10311460 1 1 b    11  ((and his))* ^only corr\ect#                       / 
 5 9 10311470 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# - .                                         / 
 5 9 10311480 1 2 a    12  but [@m] - it`s com^plete [?] it`s ^\interesting   / 
 5 9 10311480 1 1 a    12  _nov*el#* .                                        / 
 5 9 10311490 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 5 9 10311500 1 1(a    11  but I ^don`t th\ink# .                             / 
 5 9 10311510 1 1 a    11  [i] it`s ^\anything# .                             / 
 5 9 10311520 1 1 a    11  ^g=ot#                                             / 
 5 9 10311530 1 1 a    11  (([eni])) ^got 'anything !n\ear the 'texture#      / 
 5 9 10311540 1 1 a    11  of of say ^Howard`s !\End#                         / 
 5 9 10311550 1 1 a    21  ^which is . *((which is 1 syll))*                  / 
 5 9 10411560 1 1 b    11  *^w\as it 'his* 'first 'novel# .                   / 
 5 9 10411570 1 1 b    11  the ^first one he _actually wr\ote# .              / 
 5 9 10411580 1 1 a    11  [@] ^n\o#                                          / 
 5 9 10411590 1 1 a    11  ^n\o# -                                            / 
 5 9 10411600 1 1 a    11  [@:m] . he was ^writing A 'Passage to :\India#     / 
 5 9 10411610 1 1 a    11  at the ^same t\ime# - - -                          / 
 5 9 10411620 1 2 a    11  [@m] . and he he ^st\opped 'writing 'Passage to    / 
 5 9 10411620 1 1 a    11  _India#                                            / 
 5 9 10411630 1 2 a    11  [r@] . and [@m] . ^stopped off to 'write . [@]     / 
 5 9 10411630 1 1 a    11  M\aurice# - -                                      / 
 5 9 10411640 1 1 a    11  ^\anyway#                                          / 
 5 9 10411650 1 1 a    20  we [w@] .                                          / 
 5 9 10411660 1 1 b    11  oh . it was ^much 'later than I !th\ought#         / 
 5 9 10411670 1 1 b    21  I ^always 'got the im:pr\ession it was .           / 
 5 9 10511680 1 2 a    11  I ^think it was 'nineteen fift\een that he 'wrote  / 
 5 9 10511680 1 1 a    11  it# -                                              / 
 5 9 10511690 1 1 a    12  ^and . ^can you re_member the d\ate#               / 
 5 9 10511700 1 1 a    11  of ^Howard`s *\End#*                               / 
 5 9 10511710 1 1 b    11  *no I`m* "^terribly **bad at :d\/ates#**           / 
 5 9 10511720 1 1 a    12  **I ^think it was** . *I ^think it was bef\ore#*   / 
 5 9 10511730 1 2 b    12  *^that was a bit [@:l]* that was be^{f\ore} the    / 
 5 9 10511730 1 1 b    12  w\ar#                                              / 
 5 9 10511740 1 1 b    11  ^w\asn`t it#                                       / 
 5 9 10511750 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 5 9 10611760 1 2(b    11  **be**^cause . ((it)) was an Ed:wardian            / 
 5 9 10611760 1 1(b    11  :s\etting# - -                                     / 
 5 9 10611770 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9 10611780 1 1 a    11  I ^think 'Howard`s \End#                           / 
 5 9 10611790 1 1 a    11  was be^fore !\any of 'these# - - -                 / 
 5 9 10611800 1 1 a    11  ^\anyway#                                          / 
 5 9 10611810 1 1 a    11  we`ve ^got on to l\iterature#                      / 
 5 9 10611820 1 1 a    11  which you ^sw\ore# .                               / 
 5 9 10611830 1 1 b    11  *ex^\actly# .                                      / 
 5 9 10611840 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 5 9 10611850 1 1 a    11  *we ^wouldn`t* t\alk a'bout# **- .**               / 
 5 9 10611860 1 1 b    11  **it`s in^\evitable#                               / 
 5 9 10611870 1 1 b    11  I sup^p\/ose#                                      / 
 5 9 10611880 1 1 b    11  ^really when you !th\/ink a'bout it#** - .         / 
 5 9 10611890 1 1 b    20  ((but)) . -                                        / 
 5 9 10711900 1 1 a    11  ^how did you 'get down to W\indlebury# .           / 
 5 9 10711910 1 1 b    12  ^how [?] oh by ^tr\ain# .                          / 
 5 9 10711920 1 1 a    11  by ^tr\ain#                                        / 
 5 9 10711930 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9 10711940 1 2 b    11  ((it`s)) phe^nomenally ex!p\/ensive now            / 
 5 9 10711940 1 1 b    11  *'actually#*                                       / 
 5 9 10711950 1 1 a    11  *^y/\es#* .                                        / 
 5 9 10711960 1 1 b    11  be^cause when I "!f\irst 'went#                    / 
 5 9 10711970 1 1 b    11  it was ^eighteen _bob week:end ret\urn#            / 
 5 9 10711980 1 1 b    11  ((and)) it`s ^n\ow# .                              / 
 5 9 10711990 1 1 b    11  about ^one p\ound#                                 / 
 5 9 10712000 1 1 b    11  ^seventy-f/\ive# .                                 / 
 5 9 10712010 1 1 b    11  ((which is a)) con^siderable !j\ump#               / 
 5 9 10812020 1 1 a    11  ^good *!h\eav*ens#                                 / 
 5 9 10812030 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 5 9 10812040 1 1(a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 5 9 10812050 1 1 a    11  and it`s not ^nearly so much "f\un#                / 
 5 9 10812060 1 1 a    11  ^going by tr\ain I 'think#                         / 
 5 9 10812070 2 1 a    21  be*cause*                                          / 
 5 9 10812080 1 1 b    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 5 9 10812070 1 1(a    11  you ^always have a :f\eeling that# -               / 
 5 9 10812090 1 2 a    11  ^this is 'where your :time in the 'country         / 
 5 9 10812090 1 1 a    11  :st\/arts#                                         / 
 5 9 10812100 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 5 9 10912110 1 1 a    11  and when you ^get 'back 'onto the 'train it :\ends#/ 
 5 9 10912120 1 1 a    11  ^\ie#                                              / 
 5 9 10912130 1 1 a    11  [ww] ^r\eally 'what it a'mounts to is#             / 
 5 9 10912140 1 2 a    11  when you ^get 'back on the :train at               / 
 5 9 10912140 1 1 a    11  :W\indlebury# .                                    / 
 5 9 10912150 1 1 a    11  you`re ^in L\ondon#                                / 
 5 9 10912160 1 1 a    20  *(( ( - - laughs) ))*                              / 
 5 9 10912170 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 5 9 10912180 1 1 b    11  that`s ^v\ery* 'true#                              / 
 5 9 10912190 1 1 b    11  it`s such a ^ghastly 'journey :\any*way#*          / 
 5 9 10912200 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 5 9 10912210 1 1 b    12  we ^came 'back 'by . from ^Windlebury \East#       / 
 5 9 10912220 1 1 b    11  ^that`s the one that ":st\ops at# .                / 
 5 9 10912230 1 1 b    11  *^every !st\ation#*                                / 
 5 9 11012240 1 1 a    11  *^oh G\od 'yes#*                                   / 
 5 9 11012250 1 1 a    11  **^that`s the :w\orst 'one#**                      / 
 5 9 11012260 1 1 b    11  **^y\eah#                                          / 
 5 9 11012270 1 1 b    11  ((it`s)) ^really** !\awful#                        / 
 5 9 11012280 1 1 b    20  *- ((but))*                                        / 
 5 9 11012290 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#;.*;                                        / 
 5 9 11012300 1 2 a    12  ^but [@m] . ^we found this 'going 'down to 'Dean   / 
 5 9 11012300 1 1 a    12  :W\allis#                                          / 
 5 9 11012310 1 1 a    11  I I ^really enj\oyed it#                           / 
 5 9 11012320 1 2 a    12  be^cause [dh d] ^Dean 'Wallis is 'where my         / 
 5 9 11012320 1 1 a    12  :p\arents 'live#                                   / 
 5 9 11012330 1 1 b    11  oh I ^s\ee#                                        / 
 5 9 11012340 1 1 b    11  ^whereabouts !\is it# .                            / 
 5 9 11012350 1 1 a    11  ((it`s)) in ^D\orset# -                            / 
 5 9 11012360 1 1 a    12  [@m] ^just [?] it`s be^tween W\oburn [n]#          / 
 5 9 11112370 1 1 a    11  and [@:] ^B\aychester# - - .                       / 
 5 9 11112380 1 1 a    12  ^and [@m] - - ^it was !n\ice#                      / 
 5 9 11112390 1 1 a    11  be^cause !once you were 'out of :L\on*don#*        / 
 5 9 11112400 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 5 9 11112410 1 1(a    11  the ^journey [w] was !p\art of it#                 / 
 5 9 11112420 1 1 a    11  and it was ^very enj/\oyable# -                    / 
 5 9 11112430 1 2 a    11  ^but I`m !not looking 'forward to :going 'down     / 
 5 9 11112430 1 1 a    11  there by tr\ain#                                   / 
 5 9 11112440 1 1 a    11  [?@:] as you ^kn\ow# .                             / 
 5 9 11112450 1 1 a    11  the ^c\ar`s been {^st\olen#}# .                    / 
 5 9 11112460 1 1 b    11  oh ^yes of c\ourse#                                / 
 5 9 11112470 1 1 a    11  and we ^{r\eally} :m\iss it#                       / 
 510   1   10 1 1 a    11  it`s ^str\ange#                                    / 
 510   1   20 1 1 a    11  ^having - [@] spent !m\ost of my 'life#            / 
 510   1   30 1 1 a    11  ^on my ":\/own in 'fact#                           / 
 510   1   40 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510   1   50 1 1 a    11  ^ever since I :c\ame to uni'versity# .             / 
 510   1   60 2 1 a    21  *^and* . _not really :lived                        / 
 510   1   70 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510   1   60 1 1(a    11  with :\/anybody# -                                 / 
 510   1   80 1 2 a    11  it`s ^difficult . to im_agine how 'strange it is   / 
 510   1   80 1 1 a    11  for _somebody who`s - !been m\/arried#             / 
 510   1   90 1 1 a    11  and then ^suddenly 'finds himself :on his /own# -  / 
 510   1  100 1 1 b    11  well I ^think it`s :\easier /actually#             / 
 510   1  110 1 1 b    11  if ^you !h\ave been 'on your /own you 'see#        / 
 510   1  120 2 1 b    21  I mean if *you`ve*                                 / 
 510   2  130 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510   2  120 1 1(b    11  . ^been on your 'own 'all the t\/ime#              / 
 510   2  140 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510   2  150 1 1(b    11  then you ^just don`t feel the !d\ifference#        / 
 510   2  160 1 1 b    20  *but*                                              / 
 510   2  170 1 1 a    11  *^oh* I don`t n/\otice it#                         / 
 510   2  180 1 1 a    11  ^n/\o# **.**                                       / 
 510   2  190 2 1 a    22  it`s ^quite - in                                   / 
 510   2  200 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510   2  190 1 1(a    12  *^fact* there are !t\imes when I _think# .         / 
 510   2  210 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510   2  220 1 1(a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510   2  230 1 1 a    11  if I ^ever !th\ink about# -                        / 
 510   2  240 1 1 a    11  ^living with :\anybody# -                          / 
 510   3  250 1 1 a    12  I ^think - you ^kn/ow#                             / 
 510   3  260 1 1 a    11  ^could I !t\olerate it#                            / 
 510   3  270 2 1 a    23  *^all the* . ^all the 'things                      / 
 510   3  280 1 1 b    20  *( . laughs)*                                      / 
 510   3  270 1 1(a    13  that 'you you "^see people :d\oing#                / 
 510   3  290 1 1 a    11  ((and)) you think ^ah !all very :w\ell#            / 
 510   3  300 1 1 a    11  but to ^l\ive with it# .                           / 
 510   3  310 1 1 a    11  *((ha^b\itually#))                                 / 
 510   3  320 1 1 a    11  ^very in:t\olerant#*                               / 
 510   3  330 1 2 b    11  *well it`s ((it pre^sents)) a* tre:mendous         / 
 510   3  330 1 1 b    11  :pr\/oblem 'actually#                              / 
 510   3  340 1 1 b    11  it ^really **:\is** a tre'mendous _prob*lem#*      / 
 510   4  350 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510   4  360 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510   4  370 1 2(b    11  be^cause - [@:m] it`s !very . :difficult to        / 
 510   4  370 1 1(b    11  a"!d\apt your'self#                                / 
 510   4  380 1 1 b    11  to an^other 'human b\eing#                         / 
 510   4  390 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]# -                                           / 
 510   4  400 1 1 a    11  ^yes I`m :s\ure it 'is#                            / 
 510   4  410 1 1 a    11  and of ^course the :longer you`re :\/on your 'own# / 
 510   4  420 1 1 a    11  the ^more _difficult it _seems to !b\e#            / 
 510   4  430 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510   4  440 1 2 a    11  ((always remember)) ^one of the _masters at        / 
 510   4  440 1 1 a    11  :sch\ool# .                                        / 
 510   4  450 1 1 a    11  ^he was . [@:m] . a !s\ingle _man#                 / 
 510   4  460 1 1 a    11  and he was "^g\etting 'married# -                  / 
 510   5  470 1 1 a    11  he was en^{g\aged} to this g\irl and# -            / 
 510   5  480 1 1 a    11  ^he was _saying !h=ow# -                           / 
 510   5  490 1 1 a    11  it "^never oc:c\urred to him#                      / 
 510   5  500 1 1 a    11  un^til !she 'pointed \out# .                       / 
 510   5  510 1 2 a    12  that ^he . he ^used to get 'up in the m\orning     / 
 510   5  510 1 1 a    12  and# -                                             / 
 510   5  520 1 1 a    11  [@:] sort of ^trot 'round in his :sl\/ippers#      / 
 510   5  530 1 2 a    11  and ^then when he 'came to . 'putting his sh/oes   / 
 510   5  530 1 1 a    11  on#                                                / 
 510   5  540 1 1 a    11  he`d ^take the sh/oe-trees 'out#                   / 
 510   5  550 1 1 a    11  and just ^stick them in his !sl\ippers you s/ee#   / 
 510   5  560 1 1 a    11  and "^she 'looked up'on th/is#                     / 
 510   5  570 1 1 a    11  as "^absolutely hor!r\ific#                        / 
 510   5  580 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510   6  590 2 1 a    21  *the the [dh]*                                     / 
 510   6  600 1 1 b    20  *yes*                                              / 
 510   6  590 1 1(a    11  ^absolute !bachelor :l\ife#                        / 
 510   6  610 1 1 a    11  and ac^c\used him of 'being# -                     / 
 510   6  620 1 1 a    11  ^almost 'antis\ocial I 'think#                     / 
 510   6  630 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 510   6  640 1 1 b    11  *^w\ell#                                           / 
 510   6  650 1 1 b    11  that* ^{\is} 'one of the :pr\oblems#               / 
 510   6  660 1 2 b    11  because in ^fact you :find you`ve got :lots of     / 
 510   6  660 1 1 b    11  little h\/abits#                                   / 
 510   6  670 1 1 b    11  *that* you ^just don`t :n\/otice#                  / 
 510   6  680 2 1 b    21  **and** which                                      / 
 510   7  690 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510   7  700 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510   7  710 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510   7  680 1 2(b    11  can be ^terribly !\irritating *for* an'other       / 
 510   7  680 1 1(b    11  p/erson#                                           / 
 510   7  720 1 1 b    11  I ^mean for **ex**_ample _flicking your n\ails#    / 
 510   7  730 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510   7  740 1 1 a    11  *((^that`s r/ight#)) .                             / 
 510   7  750 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510   7  760 1 1(b    11  or ^something *like !th\at#                        / 
 510   7  770 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#*                                       / 
 510   7  780 1 1 b    11  or "^b\iting your 'nails#                          / 
 510   7  790 1 2 b    11  **I mean** there are ^so many :things that you     / 
 510   7  790 1 1 b    11  :d\o#                                              / 
 510   7  800 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510   8  810 1 1(b    12  - ^and [@] - but I ^th\ink#                        / 
 510   8  820 1 1 b    11  you see I mean ^having 'had the exp\erience of#    / 
 510   8  830 1 1 b    11  [@:m] ^being 'married be:f\ore#                    / 
 510   8  840 1 1 b    11  and then ^get*ting* 'married a:g\/ain# .           / 
 510   8  850 2 1 b    21  **[@:]**                                           / 
 510   8  860 1 1 a    11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 510   8  870 1 1 a    11  **^[=m]#**                                         / 
 510   8  850 1 1(b    11  I ^think in a _way I _learnt a _lot . fr\om it#    / 
 510   8  880 1 1 a    11  ^oh I`m s\ure *you 'did# .                         / 
 510   8  890 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510   8  900 1 1 b    11  *be^cause [@:m]* I((`ve)) !!f\orced my'self to# .  / 
 510   8  910 1 1 b    11  a"^d\apt# .                                        / 
 510   8  920 1 1 b    11  ^and to give !\in#                                 / 
 510   8  930 1 1 b    11  in ^so many :c\ases#                               / 
 510   8  940 1 1 b    11  ^which are [?] ((the)) {sm\all} p\etty 'matters#   / 
 510   8  950 2 1 b    21  but I *^think* that [@:m]                          / 
 510   9  960 1 1 a    11  *^[\mhm]#*                                         / 
 510   9  950 1 1(b    11  - it`s im:portant to !d\o so#                      / 
 510   9  970 1 1 b    11  to be pre"^p\ared to 'do so you s/ee# -            / 
 510   9  980 1 1 a    11  you ^haven`t s\een#                                / 
 510   9  990 1 1 a    11  For^get-me-not :L\/ane by any 'chance have you#    / 
 510   9 1000 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 510   9 1010 1 1 a    11  ^{\oh} that`s :m\arvellous#                        / 
 510   9 1020 1 2 a    11  it`s a ^sort of - !((2 sylls)) ":very              / 
 510   9 1020 1 1 a    11  \anti-'marriage {^\in a 'way}#                     / 
 510   9 1030 1 1 a    11  a ^t\errifying 'play#                              / 
 510  10 1040 1 1 a    11  but I ^I`ve 'seen it a :c\ouple of 'times# .       / 
 510  10 1050 1 1 a    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 510  10 1060 1 1 a    11  ^this is a'bout [@m] - :oh a . a middle-\aged 'man#/ 
 510  10 1070 1 1 a    11  he`s ^f\orty_ish#                                  / 
 510  10 1080 1 2 a    11  ^looking 'back on - [@:m] . his . !own 'life :at   / 
 510  10 1080 1 1 a    11  h\ome#                                             / 
 510  10 1090 1 1 a    11  and ^then his !m\arried 'life# -                   / 
 510  10 1100 1 1 a    11  *-* ^=and _it# -                                   / 
 510  10 1110 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  10 1120 1 1(a    11  it`s ^done rather :cl\everly#                      / 
 510  10 1130 1 1 a    11  it`s ^done as a 'sort of [m] :fl\ashback#          / 
 510  10 1140 1 1 a    11  only . ^he`s 'there 'all the !t\ime as it were#    / 
 510  10 1150 1 1 a    11  ^w\atching it#                                     / 
 510  10 1160 1 1 a    11  and ^c\ommenting# .                                / 
 510  10 1170 1 1 a    11  ^and his {re!l\ationship} with his :f\ather# -     / 
 510  11 1180 1 1 a    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 510  11 1190 1 1 a    11  his ^c\omments#                                    / 
 510  11 1200 1 1 a    11  on the re^l\ation_ship be_tween# .                 / 
 510  11 1210 1 1 a    11  his ^father and !m\other# -                        / 
 510  11 1220 1 1 a    11  and how "^he and his m\other#                      / 
 510  11 1230 1 1 a    11  are so ^\eager to 'get the man#                    / 
 510  11 1240 1 1 a    11  ^out of the !h\ouse# -                             / 
 510  11 1250 1 1 a    11  ^=and# - .                                         / 
 510  11 1260 1 1 a    11  ^coming 'up to !d\ate#                             / 
 510  11 1270 1 1 a    11  with his ^\own 'marriage# -                        / 
 510  11 1280 1 1 a    11  ^wh=ere#                                           / 
 510  11 1290 1 1 a    11  it`s ((a)) ^very :similar situ:\ation#             / 
 510  11 1300 1 2 a    11  you ((sort of)) ^see . !almost :history re!p\eating/ 
 510  11 1300 1 1 a    11  it'self# -                                         / 
 510  11 1310 1 1 a    12  and [i] ^it`s . you ^kn/ow# .                      / 
 510  11 1320 1 1 a    11  ^too 'truthful to be !c\omfortable on the wh/ole# ./ 
 510  12 1330 1 1 a    11  ^really :\is# -                                    / 
 510  12 1340 1 1 a    20  *((syll))*                                         / 
 510  12 1350 1 1 b    11  *well* to be ^quite h\/onest with 'you I 'think#   / 
 510  12 1360 1 2 b    11  that if you`re ^not pre'pared to :m\ake all these ./ 
 510  12 1360 1 1 b    11  {^c\ompromises#}#                                  / 
 510  12 1370 1 1 b    11  *and* ^to [@:m] . a!d\/apt your'self#              / 
 510  12 1380 1 1 a    11  *^[/\m]#*                                          / 
 510  12 1390 1 1 b    11  then you should ^never get !m\arried#              / 
 510  12 1400 1 2 b    12  I mean *^that`s* ^that`s what it a:m\/ounts        / 
 510  12 1400 1 1 b    12  **to#** -                                          / 
 510  12 1410 1 1 a    11  *^n/\o#*                                           / 
 510  12 1420 1 1 a    11  **^n/\o#**                                         / 
 510  12 1430 1 1(b    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 510  12 1440 1 1 b    11  ^most people "!\aren`t#                            / 
 510  12 1450 1 2 b    11  I mean they ^don`t know what they`re _letting      / 
 510  12 1450 1 1 b    11  themselves !\in for#                               / 
 510  13 1460 1 1 b    11  and I think it`s ^much w\orse#                     / 
 510  13 1470 1 1 b    11  to be ^m\arried# .                                 / 
 510  13 1480 1 1 b    11  ^and unh/appy# .                                   / 
 510  13 1490 1 1 b    11  than "^s\ingle [@] 'and un_happy#                  / 
 510  13 1500 1 1 a    11  ^oh I *a:gr\ee ((with that))#                      / 
 510  13 1510 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  13 1520 1 2(b    11  *because there are ^all 'sorts* of :other 'problems/ 
 510  13 1520 1 1(b    11  that [@] :go !!w\ith it#                           / 
 510  13 1530 1 1 b    11  I ^m=ean#                                          / 
 510  13 1540 1 1 a    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 510  13 1550 1 1(b    11  *[@]* you can ^have !ch\/ildren for ex'ample#      / 
 510  13 1560 1 2 b    12  which ^[mei] . ^means that you`ve 'got . these     / 
 510  13 1560 1 1 b    12  :things on your m/ind#                             / 
 510  14 1570 1 1 b    11  on your *^c\on*science and s/o on# -               / 
 510  14 1580 1 1 a    11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 510  14 1590 1 2(b    11  [@:m] whereas at ^least if you`re :un'happy and    / 
 510  14 1590 1 1(b    11  :s\/ingle#                                         / 
 510  14 1600 1 1 b    11  you you ^haven`t got the ad"!ditional :b\/urden of#/ 
 510  14 1610 1 1 b    11  re^sponsi!b\ility#                                 / 
 510  14 1620 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  14 1630 1 1 a    11  ^oh I a:gr\ee with you# .                          / 
 510  14 1640 1 2 a    11  it`s ^something that . ((well)) 'obviously you     / 
 510  14 1640 1 1 a    11  :th\ink a'bout#                                    / 
 510  14 1650 1 1 a    11  ^quite a l\ot#                                     / 
 510  14 1660 1 1 a    11  sort of . ^should you or :sh\ouldn`t you# .        / 
 510  14 1670 1 2 a    12  but [@] - it ^[i] it`s a ^terrifying sort of - -   / 
 510  14 1670 1 1 a    12  :plunge to !!m\ake I th/ink#                       / 
 510  15 1680 1 2 a    11  ((it`s ^something)) !\I`ve never 'managed to d/o   / 
 510  15 1680 1 1 a    11  yet#                                               / 
 510  15 1690 1 1 a    11  ^\anyway# .                                        / 
 510  15 1700 1 1 b    11  I ^think you`ve 'got to be :very s\ure#            / 
 510  15 1710 1 1 b    11  and ^most people \/aren`t you 'know#               / 
 510  15 1720 2 1 b    22  *((and be^cause))* _they . they`ve                 / 
 510  15 1730 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 510  15 1740 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  15 1720 1 1(b    12  ^got ro'mantic con'ceptions **of** m=arriage#      / 
 510  15 1750 1 1 b    11  and they ^rush \into it#                           / 
 510  15 1760 2 1 b    21  and ^they 'don`t *th\ink*                          / 
 510  15 1770 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  16 1760 1 1(b    11  about it part/icularly# - -                        / 
 510  16 1780 1 2 b    11  and [@:] - ^I`ve 'certainly 'learnt a :l\ot by 'my / 
 510  16 1780 1 1 b    11  ex:perience#                                       / 
 510  16 1790 2 1 b    21  *I* ^th\ink                                        / 
 510  16 1800 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  16 1790 1 1(b    11  I have#                                            / 
 510  16 1810 1 1 b    11  ^\/anyway# - .                                     / 
 510  16 1820 1 1 a    11  ((well)) we ^see it a 'lot at :sch\ool#            / 
 510  16 1830 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow ((sort of))# .                          / 
 510  16 1840 1 1 a    11  ^b\oys# .                                          / 
 510  16 1850 1 1 a    11  ^in the s\ixth form# -                             / 
 510  16 1860 1 1 a    11  ^round a'bout 'seven'teen or 'eigh:t\een# .        / 
 510  16 1870 1 1 a    11  and ^they be'come eng\aged# .                      / 
 510  16 1880 1 1 a    11  ^that`s what :happened about :two y\ears ago#      / 
 510  16 1890 1 1 a    11  there was a ^whole sort of :r\ash# .               / 
 510  17 1900 1 1 a    11  nearly ^everybody in the :s\ixth form#             / 
 510  17 1910 1 1 a    11  ^seemed to be :getting en!g\aged and# .            / 
 510  17 1920 1 1 a    11  ^th/en# .                                          / 
 510  17 1930 1 1 a    11  ^one of 'two . [@:] :g\ot m/arried# -              / 
 510  17 1940 1 1 a    11  ^one or 'two be'cause their w\ives or# .           / 
 510  17 1950 1 1 a    11  ^f\/uture 'wives#                                  / 
 510  17 1960 1 1 a    11  were ex^pecting b\abies# .                         / 
 510  17 1970 1 1 a    12  and ^so they . 'they`d ^g\ot to get m/arried#      / 
 510  17 1980 1 1 a    11  *you* ^kn/ow# .                                    / 
 510  17 1990 1 1 b    11  *^[/mhm]#*                                         / 
 510  17 2000 1 1(a    11  ^=and [@]# -                                       / 
 510  17 2010 1 1 a    11  [i] it was . "^very 'very :s\ad#                   / 
 510  17 2020 1 1 a    11  be^cause you could !s\ee them# - -                 / 
 510  17 2030 1 1 a    11  be^fore l\ong#                                     / 
 510  17 2040 1 1 a    11  they`d be . ^pretty wr\etched#                     / 
 510  18 2050 1 1 a    11  and at each ^other`s thr\oats# .                   / 
 510  18 2060 1 1 a    11  ((but then)) you *^can`t* really :t\/ell people#   / 
 510  18 2070 1 1 a    11  ^\anyway#                                          / 
 510  18 2080 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  18 2090 1 1(a    11  I mean they ^don`t l\/isten# .                     / 
 510  18 2100 1 1 a    11  **((what^\ever you do#))**                         / 
 510  18 2110 1 1 b    11  ^no they **d/\on`t#                                / 
 510  18 2120 1 1 b    11  and ^that`s** the 'curious th\ing I#               / 
 510  18 2130 1 2 b    11  I ^find that it`s !no good 'giving 'people ad:vice / 
 510  18 2130 1 1 b    11  at *\all#*                                         / 
 510  18 2140 1 1 b    11  I ^mean they !don`t !l\isten to adv/ice#           / 
 510  18 2150 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 510  18 2160 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 510  19 2170 1 1 b    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 510  19 2180 1 1 b    11  how^\ever 'much ex'perience you`ve _had#           / 
 510  19 2190 1 1 b    11  they may **^l\isten#**                             / 
 510  19 2200 2 1 b    21  but they ^then . pro_ceed to do {ex"!\actly}       / 
 510  19 2210 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  19 2220 1 1 a    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 510  19 2200 1 1(b    11  what they ":w\ant to *do*#                         / 
 510  19 2230 1 1 b    11  what they in^tended to 'do in the :f\/irst 'place# / 
 510  19 2240 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  19 2250 1 1 b    11  [@m] it`s a ^c\/urious thing 'that#                / 
 510  19 2260 1 1 b    11  I ^m=ean# .                                        / 
 510  19 2270 1 1 b    11  ^very 'often I 'think people :\ask for adv=ice#    / 
 510  19 2280 1 2 b    11  ^not be'cause they 'want to ":t\/ake . your        / 
 510  19 2280 1 1 b    11  ad'vice#                                           / 
 510  20 2290 1 2 b    11  but ^simply be'cause they 'want to - [@:m] 'have a / 
 510  20 2290 1 1 b    11  :cl\earer i'dea#                                   / 
 510  20 2300 1 1 b    11  about their ^own *[@:]* !preconceived :n\otions#   / 
 510  20 2310 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  20 2320 1 1 a    11  ^that`s r/ight#                                    / 
 510  20 2330 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  20 2340 1 1 b    11  **and** ^make things "!j\ell 'better#              / 
 510  20 2350 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  20 2360 1 2 b    11  by ^listening to 'what 'somebody 'else 'has to     / 
 510  20 2360 1 1 b    11  *s\ay#*                                            / 
 510  20 2370 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  20 2380 1 1(b    11  and ^then you can _say well I`ll !still d\o#       / 
 510  21 2390 1 1 b    11  what ^I in!t\ended to 'do#                         / 
 510  21 2400 1 1 b    11  in the ^f\irst place#                              / 
 510  21 2410 1 1 a    11  ^y\es [i i]#                                       / 
 510  21 2420 1 1 a    11  it ^makes them :much more !r\igid#                 / 
 510  21 2430 1 1 a    11  ((cos)) I mean as *^soon* as you 'start s=aying#   / 
 510  21 2440 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  21 2450 1 1(a    11  ^oh 'no _no n\o#                                   / 
 510  21 2460 1 1 a    11  ^don`t get 'married :don`t get m/arried# .         / 
 510  21 2470 1 1 a    11  ^they . !put 'up the b/arriers#                    / 
 510  21 2480 1 1 a    11  and say "^r\ight#                                  / 
 510  21 2490 1 1 a    11  ( - laughs) they`re ^trying to !st\op us#          / 
 510  21 2500 1 1 a    11  we`re ^going *to get m\arried#                     / 
 510  21 2510 1 1 a    11  ((you ^kn/ow#*))                                   / 
 510  22 2520 1 1 b    11  *^[/\m]# .                                         / 
 510  22 2530 1 1 b    11  that`s ^\it#                                       / 
 510  22 2540 1 1 b    11  ^y/\eah#* -                                        / 
 510  22 2550 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  22 2560 1 1 a    12  ^and **^\I#**                                      / 
 510  22 2570 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 510  22 2580 1 1 a    11  ^this par:t\icular _lot#                           / 
 510  22 2590 1 1 a    11  ^it`s . !v\ery 'sad#                               / 
 510  22 2600 1 1 a    11  you ^kn\/ow#                                       / 
 510  22 2610 1 1 a    11  there was ^one b\oy# -                             / 
 510  22 2620 1 1 a    12  ^who . ^m\arried#                                  / 
 510  22 2630 1 1 a    11  be"^cause his 'wife was ex'pecting a b/aby#        / 
 510  22 2640 1 1 a    11  and ^then there was a misc\arriage# -              / 
 510  22 2650 1 1 a    11  ^and . they were !m\arried# -                      / 
 510  22 2660 1 1 a    11  by ^this t/ime and#                                / 
 510  22 2670 1 2 a    11  ( - sighs) I mean you ^just 'feel as 'though that`s/ 
 510  22 2670 1 1 a    11  [@] such a !!t\errible {^st\art#}#                 / 
 510  22 2680 1 1 b    11  ^[/\m]#                                            / 
 510  22 2690 1 1 b    11  *((I ^think it !\is#))*                            / 
 510  23 2700 1 1(a    11  *I mean con^sidering* they`re !only :seven:t\/een# / 
 510  23 2710 1 1 a    11  and they`re ^likely to 'be tog\ether#              / 
 510  23 2720 1 1 a    12  for an^other [@:] ^what f/ifty#                    / 
 510  23 2730 1 1 a    11  ^sixty y\ears#                                     / 
 510  23 2740 1 2 a    12  it`s ^quite . "^p\erfectly within the 'realms of . / 
 510  23 2740 1 1 a    12  {^possib\ility#}# -                                / 
 510  23 2750 1 1 a    11  un^l\ess the whole 'thing [shm] . :{^smashes \up#}#/ 
 510  23 2760 1 1 a    11  which is - *^l/ikely#* .                           / 
 510  23 2770 1 1 a    11  I ^think [i] 'it`s . wr\etched# .                  / 
 510  23 2780 2 1 a    21  ^really is                                         / 
 510  23 2790 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  23 2780 1 1(a    11  :m\iserable# - - -                                 / 
 510  24 2800 1 2 b    11  I ^think 'people 'ought to 'be . :better in:f\ormed/ 
 510  24 2800 1 1 b    11  about#                                             / 
 510  24 2810 1 1 b    11  [w@] *^what* 'marriage en!t\ails#                  / 
 510  24 2820 2 1 b    21  **I** ^don`t                                       / 
 510  24 2830 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  24 2840 1 1 a    11  **^y\eah#**                                        / 
 510  24 2850 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  24 2820 1 1(b    11  'think they !\/are 'actually#                      / 
 510  24 2860 1 2 b    12  I mean *^there* there ^doesn`t 'seem to be         / 
 510  24 2860 1 1 b    12  :anything in the 'edu'cational !pr\/ogramme# -     / 
 510  24 2870 1 1 b    11  to "^sh\ow 'people#                                / 
 510  24 2880 1 1 b    11  I ^d\on`t *'mean#* .                               / 
 510  24 2890 1 1 b    11  you ^know say ":don`t 'get m/arried#               / 
 510  24 2900 1 1 a    21  *^((no))*                                          / 
 510  24 2910 1 1(b    11  but ^just sh\/ow them#                             / 
 510  24 2920 1 1 b    11  ^what it en!t\ails#                                / 
 510  25 2930 1 1 a    11  **^y\eah#                                          / 
 510  25 2940 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  25 2950 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#**                                           / 
 510  25 2960 1 1(b    11  **the ^day to _day !d\etails 'of it#               / 
 510  25 2970 1 1 b    11  and ((then))** . that they ^have to be !s\ure#     / 
 510  25 2980 1 1 b    11  that they should se^lect !c\arefully#              / 
 510  25 2990 1 1 b    11  and that it`s ^n\ot# .                             / 
 510  25 3000 1 1 b    11  [@:m] ^just 'something :terribly . ro:m\antic and# / 
 510  25 3010 1 1 b    11  ^airy f/airy#                                      / 
 510  25 3020 1 2 b    12  that ^there`s a a ^practical 'everyday !life to be / 
 510  25 3020 1 1 b    12  !l\ed#                                             / 
 510  25 3030 1 1 b    11  and if you`re ^not - "\able#                       / 
 510  25 3040 1 1 b    11  and ^c\apable to#                                  / 
 510  25 3050 1 1 b    11  of ^d\/oing 'that#                                 / 
 510  25 3060 1 2 b    12  ^then you you ^shouldn`t go !\in for it *{at       / 
 510  25 3060 1 1 b    12  ^\all#}#*                                          / 
 510  26 3070 1 1 a    11  *^y\eah#* - -                                      / 
 510  26 3080 1 1 b    11  and I ^think it {it !\is} an "!\art you know#      / 
 510  26 3090 1 2 b    13  I ^think that !most 'people the ^thing is that     / 
 510  26 3090 1 1 b    13  :[m@u] a ^lot of people :stick tog\ether# -        / 
 510  26 3100 1 1 b    11  ^but it !d\oesn`t {^m\ean#}#                       / 
 510  26 3110 1 1 b    11  that their ^marriage _is a {suc!c\ess} at :\all# . / 
 510  26 3120 1 2 b    11  I mean [i] it ^may be con{v\ention} it 'may be     / 
 510  26 3120 1 1 b    11  soc\iety for ex'ample#                             / 
 510  26 3130 1 2 b    11  that [@:m] ^put !pr\essure on them {to ^st\ay      / 
 510  26 3130 1 1 b    11  together#}#                                        / 
 510  26 3140 1 2 b    12  in the ^p\ast I mean ^that was !c\ertainly 'true   / 
 510  26 3140 1 1 b    12  {^h\ere#}#                                         / 
 510  27 3150 1 1 a    11  ^[/\m]#                                            / 
 510  27 3160 1 1 b    11  and it`s ^certainly !true in !!C\yprus#            / 
 510  27 3170 1 1 b    11  you ^kn=ow that#                                   / 
 510  27 3180 1 1 b    11  [@:m] . di^vorce is :very "!r\are th/ere# -        / 
 510  27 3190 1 2 b    11  but ^that doesn`t 'mean that the :marriages are    / 
 510  27 3190 1 1 b    11  suc:c\essful#                                      / 
 510  27 3200 1 1 b    11  they`re ^very _far !fr\om it# .                    / 
 510  27 3210 1 1 b    11  the ^people :just "!stick to:g\/ether#             / 
 510  27 3220 1 1 b    11  be^cause they "!h\ave to#                          / 
 510  27 3230 1 1 b    11  because it`s ^socially 'unac:c\/eptable#           / 
 510  27 3240 1 1 b    11  to be di^v\orced# -                                / 
 510  27 3250 1 2 b    11  [@:m] but in ^fact 'what 'sort of 'marriages do    / 
 510  27 3250 1 1 b    11  they h\ave#                                        / 
 510  28 3260 1 2 b    11  I mean ^very often [@:] . they :don`t get 'on 'well/ 
 510  28 3260 1 1 b    11  together at /all# .                                / 
 510  28 3270 1 1 b    11  they have "^n\othing in c/ommon# -                 / 
 510  28 3280 1 2 b    11  [@:m] the ^only thing they 'have in 'common is the / 
 510  28 3280 1 1 b    11  :children 'they`ve prod\/uced#                     / 
 510  28 3290 1 1 b    11  and ^very \often#                                  / 
 510  28 3300 1 2 b    11  they`re ^not par'ticularly 'interested in {in      / 
 510  28 3300 1 1 b    11  :th\ose} \either# -                                / 
 510  28 3310 1 2 a    11  ((I mean)) so ^\often they`re ((sort of)) .        / 
 510  28 3310 1 1 a    11  {^r\eally#}# -                                     / 
 510  28 3320 1 1 a    11  ^sources of !\argument {^\anyway#}#                / 
 510  28 3330 1 1 a    11  ^ch/ildren#                                        / 
 510  28 3340 1 1 a    11  ^\aren`t *they#                                    / 
 510  29 3350 1 1 b    11  *^yes well !!y\es#*                                / 
 510  29 3360 1 1(a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  29 3370 1 1 a    11  the .* the ^one`s 'treating the 'children /one way#/ 
 510  29 3380 1 2 a    11  and then - [@:] the ^father comes 'in with _totally/ 
 510  29 3380 1 1 a    11  !d\ifferent i_deas#                                / 
 510  29 3390 1 2 a    11  and it`s as as ^much likely to be a 'source of     / 
 510  29 3390 1 1 a    11  :\/argument#                                       / 
 510  29 3400 1 1 a    11  as a ^source of pl/\easure#                        / 
 510  29 3410 1 1 a    11  in a ^l\/ot of 'cas*es#*                           / 
 510  29 3420 1 1 b    11  *well* es"^p\ecially#                              / 
 510  29 3430 1 1 b    11  if there`s ^no real a_greement in the *!m\arriage#*/ 
 510  29 3440 1 1 b    11  you ^kn=ow#                                        / 
 510  29 3450 2 1 b    21  if there`s ^no **{r\eal}**                         / 
 510  30 3460 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  30 3470 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  30 3450 1 1(b    11  under:st\anding#                                   / 
 510  30 3480 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 510  30 3490 1 3 b    12  ^it`s - it ^really _is a _great _problem and I     / 
 510  30 3490 1 2 b    12  :think that :people should 'be - [@m]              / 
 510  30 3490 1 1 b    12  en!!l\/ightened a'bout these *'things#*            / 
 510  30 3500 2 1 b    23  I ^think it`s it`s ^part . ^p\art                  / 
 510  30 3510 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  30 3500 1 1(b    13  of the 'edu'cational :pr\/ogramme#                 / 
 510  30 3520 1 2 b    11  ^should be to !show 'people . **'what** it`s 'all  / 
 510  30 3520 1 1 b    11  ab/out#                                            / 
 510  31 3530 2 1 b    21  but I                                              / 
 510  31 3540 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  31 3530 1 1(b    11  ^think the !tr\ouble is#                           / 
 510  31 3550 1 1 b    11  that a^gain . it de_mands "!tr\uth# .              / 
 510  31 3560 1 1 b    11  you ^s=ee# .                                       / 
 510  31 3570 1 1 b    11  to ^talk . "!h\onestly a'bout m=arriage#           / 
 510  31 3580 1 2 b    11  I ^think you`ve 'got to be !very h\onest with      / 
 510  31 3580 1 1 b    11  your_self#                                         / 
 510  31 3590 2 1 b    22  and ^not *.* ^not 'many people are                 / 
 510  31 3600 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  31 3590 1 1(b    12  pre!p\ared to be#                                  / 
 510  31 3610 1 1 b    11  be^cause . it !brings in their :p\/ersonal 'life#  / 
 510  31 3620 1 1 b    11  ^even if they don`t 'mention them:s\elves#         / 
 510  32 3630 2 1 b    21  *they* ^{f\eel} that :they 'are \implicated        / 
 510  32 3640 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  32 3630 1 1(b    11  in 'some way you s/ee# .                           / 
 510  32 3650 1 1 b    20  *((and [@m]))*                                     / 
 510  32 3660 1 1 a    11  well *it`s in^\ev*itably 'going to 'talk about# .  / 
 510  32 3670 1 1 a    11  your ^own ex:p\/erience# .                         / 
 510  32 3680 1 1 a    11  [@] ^even if you`re !n\ot 'married#                / 
 510  32 3690 1 2 a    11  you`re going to ^talk about 'people that you 'know / 
 510  32 3690 1 1 a    11  very w\ell#                                        / 
 510  32 3700 1 1 a    11  and the ^m\arriages {you`ve ^s\een#}# .            / 
 510  32 3710 1 1 a    11  ((sort of)) ^\operating#                           / 
 510  33 3720 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  33 3730 1 1(a    11  - [ae] ^and it !is a bit :d\ifficult to sort of# . / 
 510  33 3740 1 1 a    11  ^lay these :b\are#                                 / 
 510  33 3750 1 1 a    12  in ^front of - ![@:m] a _class of ^wh\at#          / 
 510  33 3760 1 1 a    11  ^sixt\een {seven^t\een year 'olds#}#               / 
 510  33 3770 2 1 a    21  *or* "^y\ounger                                    / 
 510  33 3780 1 1 b    11  *^oh !y\es#*                                       / 
 510  33 3770 1 1(a    11  of 'course if# -                                   / 
 510  33 3790 1 1 a    11  ^very /often#                                      / 
 510  33 3800 1 1 a    11  if you`re - ^dealing in a !s\econdary 'school#     / 
 510  33 3810 1 2 a    11  where they`re ^likely to !l\eave at 'fif'teen or   / 
 510  33 3810 1 1 a    11  'sixt/een# .                                       / 
 510  34 3820 1 2 b    11  ^but [@] !you`re 'teaching . [@:m] at a :gr\ammar  / 
 510  34 3820 1 1 b    11  school#                                            / 
 510  34 3830 1 1 b    11  ^\aren`t you#                                      / 
 510  34 3840 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  34 3850 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  34 3860 1 2 b    11  *well* ^what do you 'think about :s\ex             / 
 510  34 3860 1 1 b    11  edu'cation# .                                      / 
 510  34 3870 1 3 b    12  ^do you 'think that [@ i] 'it [@] I ^mean . there`s/ 
 510  34 3870 1 2 b    12  _been a [?] a _great !h\ooha about *it*            / 
 510  34 3870 1 1 b    12  {^r\ecently#} {^h\asn`t there#}#                   / 
 510  34 3880 2 1 b    21  and [@:m - @:]                                     / 
 510  34 3890 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  34 3900 1 1 a    11  **^[/mhm]#**                                       / 
 510  34 3880 1 1(b    11  about a ^f\ilm that was 'made and **s/o on#** .    / 
 510  35 3910 1 1 b    12  I mean ^what ^what are y\our 'views 'on it# -      / 
 510  35 3920 1 2 a    11  ^I 'find that - - with so :m\any of 'these         / 
 510  35 3920 1 1 a    11  'problems#                                         / 
 510  35 3930 1 1 a    11  ^m\arriage#                                        / 
 510  35 3940 1 1 a    11  ^s\ex edu'cation#                                  / 
 510  35 3950 1 2 a    11  as ^soon as you 'try and 'make it . a sort of      / 
 510  35 3950 1 1 a    11  'formal l\esson# - .                               / 
 510  35 3960 1 1 a    11  the ^whole 'thing 'falls fl\at# -                  / 
 510  35 3970 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  35 3980 1 1 a    11  you ^kn\ow#                                        / 
 510  35 3990 1 2 a    12  ^if you [s] 'have a - - a :period ^we used to 'have/ 
 510  35 3990 1 1 a    12  one 'called Dis!c\ussion 'Groups# -                / 
 510  35 4000 1 1 a    11  ^and you were !l\anded with# - -                   / 
 510  35 4010 1 1 a    11  [n] ^tw\elve#                                      / 
 510  36 4020 1 1 a    11  ^six'teen . b\oys# .                               / 
 510  36 4030 1 1 a    11  ^in a r\oom# .                                     / 
 510  36 4040 1 2 a    11  and ^there you 'were you were sup:posed to         / 
 510  36 4040 1 1 a    11  disc\uss# -                                        / 
 510  36 4050 1 1 a    11  ^could be \anything# - -                           / 
 510  36 4060 1 1 a    11  ^b=ut#                                             / 
 510  36 4070 1 1 a    11  ^it was so !d\ifficult#                            / 
 510  36 4080 1 1 a    11  it was ^so arti!f\icial#                           / 
 510  36 4090 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  36 4100 1 1 a    11  ^where=as#                                         / 
 510  36 4110 1 1 a    11  ^teaching 'something like :\English of 'course# .  / 
 510  36 4120 1 1 a    11  a ^l\ot of these 'subjects#                        / 
 510  36 4130 1 1 a    11  ^come up 'fairly n\aturally# -                     / 
 510  36 4140 1 1 a    11  ^and you can dis:c\uss them# .                     / 
 510  36 4150 1 1 a    11  ^in the !c\ontext of a cl/ass# .                   / 
 510  36 4160 1 1 a    11  "^wh\en they {a^r\ise#}# .                         / 
 510  37 4170 1 1 a    11  and ^\/usually 'then it be'comes# .                / 
 510  37 4180 1 1 a    11  ^much more satis!f\actory# - -                     / 
 510  37 4190 1 1 a    11  *and you can ^\answer 'questions#*                 / 
 510  37 4200 1 1 b    11  I *I I ^quite a!gr\ee with 'that#                  / 
 510  37 4210 2 1 b    22  I mean* ^it`s a                                    / 
 510  37 4220 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  37 4230 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  37 4210 1 2(b    12  it`s **it`s** a ^wide sort of . :{open-:\ended}    / 
 510  37 4210 1 1(b    12  s\ubject /Eng*lish#*                               / 
 510  37 4240 1 1 b    11  ^\isn`t it#                                        / 
 510  37 4250 1 1 b    11  but the **^tr\ouble** is#                          / 
 510  37 4260 2 1 b    21  it ^does de'pend                                   / 
 510  37 4270 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  38 4260 1 1(b    11  on the !t\eacher#                                  / 
 510  38 4280 1 1 b    11  because there ^are *'some t\eachers#*              / 
 510  38 4290 1 1 a    11  *^oh en:t\irely#*                                  / 
 510  38 4300 1 1 a    11  **^[=m]#**                                         / 
 510  38 4310 1 1(b    11  who ^just . "!w\on`t#                              / 
 510  38 4320 1 1 b    11  I ^mean as !far **as** th\ey`re con_cerned that#   / 
 510  38 4330 1 1 b    11  they`re they`re ^doing a t\ext#                    / 
 510  38 4340 1 1 b    11  you ^kn=ow#                                        / 
 510  38 4350 1 2 b    12  I ^mean they`re . they ^may be :reading 'something / 
 510  38 4350 1 1 b    12  by Sh\akes*peare#*                                 / 
 510  38 4360 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  38 4370 1 1(b    11  and ^that`s !!\it#                                 / 
 510  38 4380 1 1 b    11  I [@:] there`s ^no !qu\estion#                     / 
 510  38 4390 1 1 b    11  of ex"^t\/ending it in any 'way#                   / 
 510  39 4400 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 510  39 4410 1 1 b    11  and ^\also#                                        / 
 510  39 4420 1 2 b    11  they have their ^own [in] 'inhi!b\itions about     / 
 510  39 4420 1 1 b    11  'talking about 'sex#                               / 
 510  39 4430 2 1 b    21  *I* mean they`re                                   / 
 510  39 4440 1 1 a    11  *((of)) ^c\ourse#*                                 / 
 510  39 4430 1 1(b    11  ^just not !fr\ank a'bout **it#**                   / 
 510  39 4450 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#** .                                       / 
 510  39 4460 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 510  39 4470 1 1 b    11  I ^m\ust say#                                      / 
 510  39 4480 1 1 b    11  ^I !t\end to be#                                   / 
 510  39 4490 1 1 b    12  I ^mean I you ^kn\ow#                              / 
 510  39 4500 1 1 b    11  I ^do 'talk :quite _\openly to my _pupils#         / 
 510  39 4510 1 1 b    11  ^which is - a !little ":d\aring of _me#            / 
 510  40 4520 1 2 b    11  because the ^situ'ation in 'Cyprus is !d\ifferent  / 
 510  40 4520 1 1 b    11  from _here#                                        / 
 510  40 4530 2 1 b    21  I ^mean *peop*le "!{\are a bit} ":n\arrow in 'that / 
 510  40 4540 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  40 4530 1 1(b    11  res'pect#                                          / 
 510  40 4550 1 1 b    11  you ^kn\ow#                                        / 
 510  40 4560 1 2 b    11  they ^don`t 'like people to :talk a'bout it :too   / 
 510  40 4560 1 1 b    11  \openly# -                                         / 
 510  40 4570 1 1 b    11  but I ^d\o#                                        / 
 510  40 4580 1 1 b    11  because I ^think it`s im!p\ortant#                 / 
 510  40 4590 1 1 b    11  but . the ^trouble \is that#                       / 
 510  40 4600 1 1 b    11  [@m] ^that`s !not really 'system"!\atic#           / 
 510  40 4610 1 1 b    11  in the ^sense that "!\/I do it#                    / 
 510  40 4620 2 1 b    22  but ^how many _people . *^how*                     / 
 510  41 4630 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  41 4620 1 1(b    12  many "!\other people 'do it you s/ee#              / 
 510  41 4640 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  41 4650 1 1 a    12  [i] ^it`s ^it`s an e!n\ormous 'problem /actually#  / 
 510  41 4660 1 2 a    11  be^cause . as !soon as you 'start to 'make - a a   / 
 510  41 4660 1 1 a    11  :sp\ecial 'thing a'bout it# .                      / 
 510  41 4670 1 1 a    11  then im^m\ediately# -                              / 
 510  41 4680 1 1 a    11  I ^think you`re cre!ating the !wrong !\atmosphere# / 
 510  41 4690 1 1 a    11  ^specially for s\ex#                               / 
 510  41 4700 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  41 4710 1 1(a    11  be^cause . as !soon as it be'comes :sp\ecial# -    / 
 510  42 4720 1 2 a    11  ^then it`s 'giving them in a 'sense the !wr\ong    / 
 510  42 4720 1 1 a    11  'attitude# -                                       / 
 510  42 4730 1 1 a    11  *you ^kn\ow#                                       / 
 510  42 4740 1 1 a    21  ^this is 'something*                               / 
 510  42 4750 1 1 b    11  *^y\es# .                                          / 
 510  42 4760 1 1 b    11  ^yes they`re !c\oncen*'trating 'on it#             / 
 510  42 4770 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  42 4780 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 510  42 4790 1 2 a    11  ^this is 'something that we`ve !got to 'look at in / 
 510  42 4790 1 1 a    11  :a par'ticular w\ay#                               / 
 510  42 4800 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  42 4810 1 1 a    11  ^=or#                                              / 
 510  42 4820 1 1 a    11  ^y\ou know#                                        / 
 510  42 4830 1 1 a    11  ^it`s 'contro:v\ersial#                            / 
 510  43 4840 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  43 4850 1 1 a    11  where^\as# -                                       / 
 510  43 4860 1 1 a    11  ^if it could be !t\aken#                           / 
 510  43 4870 1 1 a    11  ^as ((sort of)) - :part \of# - -                   / 
 510  43 4880 1 1 a    11  ^\ordinary dis'cussion#                            / 
 510  43 4890 1 1 a    11  or ^part of !l\ife if you l/ike#                   / 
 510  43 4900 1 1 a    11  ^makes it 'sound a 'bit p/ompous# .                / 
 510  43 4910 1 1 b    20  *( . laughs)*                                      / 
 510  43 4920 1 1(a    12  *^but [@]* . you ^kn\ow#                           / 
 510  43 4930 1 1 a    11  ^if it can be t=aken _as# .                        / 
 510  43 4940 1 2 a    11  just ^part of the :general - - :day to day         / 
 510  43 4940 1 1 a    11  !n\orm# - .                                        / 
 510  43 4950 1 1 a    11  ^then it`s _going to be !much !h\ealthier# .       / 
 510  44 4960 1 2 a    11  but as ^soon as you 'start to 'make a :speci/ality / 
 510  44 4960 1 1 a    11  of it# .                                           / 
 510  44 4970 1 1 a    11  ^either by ig":n\oring it#                         / 
 510  44 4980 1 1 a    11  ^or by par:ticularly dis:c\ussing it# -            / 
 510  44 4990 1 2 a    11  I ^think you`re _going to cre_ate an un!n\atural . / 
 510  44 4990 1 1 a    11  'attitude to'wards it#                             / 
 510  44 5000 1 1 b    11  ^(([m])) I _think you !\are# .                     / 
 510  44 5010 1 1 a    11  it`s ^very \awkward#                               / 
 510  44 5020 1 1 a    11  *it`s* ^d\/ifficult 'mind you#                     / 
 510  44 5030 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  44 5040 1 1(a    11  with a ^class of th\irty-'odd# .                   / 
 510  44 5050 1 1 a    11  oc^casionally with the !s\econd 'form# .           / 
 510  44 5060 1 1 a    11  you ^g=et# .                                       / 
 510  44 5070 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  44 5080 1 1 a    12  well ^we`ll . ^we`ll . !have [@:m] . a deb\ate# .  / 
 510  45 5090 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  45 5100 1 1(a    11  ^what do you 'want to t\alk a'bout#                / 
 510  45 5110 1 1 a    11  ^and !this is s\omething#                          / 
 510  45 5120 1 1 a    11  I ^usually 'spend !one l\esson#                    / 
 510  45 5130 1 1 a    11  ar^ranging !what they 'want to t\alk a'bout#       / 
 510  45 5140 1 2 a    11  and ^then . 'tell them to 'go away and :th\/ink    / 
 510  45 5140 1 1 a    11  a'bout it#                                         / 
 510  45 5150 1 2 a    11  and we . ^have the dis_cussion a !later . a _later / 
 510  45 5150 1 1 a    11  !l\esson# -                                        / 
 510  45 5160 1 1 a    11  ^and !often en\ough#                               / 
 510  45 5170 1 1 a    11  ^round a'bout the s\econd 'form#                   / 
 510  45 5180 1 1 a    11  ^\oh#                                              / 
 510  45 5190 1 1 a    11  ^sex be'fore m\arriage 'sir#                       / 
 510  46 5200 1 1 a    11  or just *^s\ex#*                                   / 
 510  46 5210 1 1 b    11  *( . laughs)* **^[=m]#**                           / 
 510  46 5220 1 1(a    11  or ^s\ex in'struction#                             / 
 510  46 5230 1 1 a    11  or ^should **'sex** be 'taught in sch\ools# -      / 
 510  46 5240 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow# -                                      / 
 510  46 5250 1 1 a    11  ^=and# .                                           / 
 510  46 5260 1 1 a    11  I say ^all r/ight#                                 / 
 510  46 5270 1 1 a    11  we`ll ^t/alk about it# .                           / 
 510  46 5280 1 1 a    11  ^=and# -                                           / 
 510  46 5290 1 1 a    11  they ^don`t 'know . :what they`re 'going to :s\/ay#/ 
 510  46 5300 1 2 a    12  and they don`t ^r\/eally 'know 'what . [@m] - ^what/ 
 510  46 5300 1 1 a    12  they`re going to !talk about at !\all# .           / 
 510  46 5310 1 2 a    11  ^but you`ve _got a !!whole lot of 'different       / 
 510  46 5310 1 1 a    11  \attitudes 'there# .                               / 
 510  46 5320 1 1 a    11  ^you !kn\ow# .                                     / 
 510  47 5330 1 1 a    11  as ^soon as it 'comes /up#                         / 
 510  47 5340 1 2 a    11  that there`s a^bout . !half a d\ozen 'little       / 
 510  47 5340 1 1 a    11  'boys# .                                           / 
 510  47 5350 1 2 a    11  who are per^haps - a 'little y\ounger than the     / 
 510  47 5350 1 1 a    11  /others# .                                         / 
 510  47 5360 1 1 a    11  or have ^come from 'different b\/ackgrounds# -     / 
 510  47 5370 1 1 a    11  who "^{d\on`t} "w\ant to 'talk a'bout it# -        / 
 510  47 5380 1 1 a    11  ^and who are !rather sh/y#                         / 
 510  47 5390 1 1 a    11  and a ^bit !fr\ightened 'of it# .                  / 
 510  47 5400 1 1 a    11  ^whereas you`ve got !\/other little 'boys#         / 
 510  47 5410 1 1 a    11  *. ^who are* ( . laughs) de:cidedly ad:v\/enturous#/ 
 510  47 5420 1 1 b    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 510  48 5430 2 1(a    21  and ^probably know every !bit as much a'bout       / 
 510  48 5440 1 1 b    20  **( - laughs)**                                    / 
 510  48 5430 1 1(a    11  **it as :\I do#;.**;.                              / 
 510  48 5450 1 1 a    11  ^=and [@:]# -                                      / 
 510  48 5460 1 1 a    11  you`ve ^got this {e!n\ormous} dis:p\arity# .       / 
 510  48 5470 1 1 a    11  ^=and# -                                           / 
 510  48 5480 1 1 a    11  it`s ^difficult to 'strike a :b\alance# -          / 
 510  48 5490 1 1 a    11  be^cause in a s\ense#                              / 
 510  48 5500 1 2 a    11  if ^you 'talk . if you 'like as :fr\ankly _as      / 
 510  48 5500 1 1 a    11  _[dhi:]# .                                         / 
 510  48 5510 1 1 a    11  ^more !\open little 'boys ab/out it# -             / 
 510  48 5520 1 1 a    11  ^then you`re . !{cl\osing} the :\others up#        / 
 510  48 5530 1 1 a    11  ^even m\ore#                                       / 
 510  48 5540 1 1 a    11  the ^sh\yer 'ones# *-*                             / 
 510  48 5550 2 1 a    22  ^are are ^getting _more                            / 
 510  49 5560 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  49 5550 1 1(a    12  and more !n\ervous a'bout it in 'fact#             / 
 510  49 5570 1 1 a    11  and you`re cre^ating "!b\arriers 'for them# .      / 
 510  49 5580 1 1 b    21  ^but *((syll))*                                    / 
 510  49 5590 1 2 a    11  *((where*as)) ^if you 'talk about it - - 'on       / 
 510  49 5590 1 1 a    11  :th\eir 'level#                                    / 
 510  49 5600 1 1 a    11  or ^try and _help _th\em# -                        / 
 510  49 5610 1 2 a    11  ^then {the !\others are} are re:acting a!g\ainst   / 
 510  49 5610 1 1 a    11  it#                                                / 
 510  49 5620 1 1 a    11  it`s a . it`s . "^most pec\uliar# - -              / 
 510  49 5630 1 1 b    11  but ^wouldn`t you s\ay that#                       / 
 510  49 5640 1 1 b    11  ^most y\oung 'people {^n\owadays are#}#            / 
 510  50 5650 1 1 b    11  are ^much . more :\open# .                         / 
 510  50 5660 1 1 b    11  and re^l\axed about the 'whole . 'sex qu/estion#   / 
 510  50 5670 1 1 b    11  than ^w\/e 'were#                                  / 
 510  50 5680 2 1 b    22  I ^mean *[@:m]* I ^know that when                  / 
 510  50 5690 1 1 a    11  *^{\oh} y/\es#*                                    / 
 510  50 5700 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  50 5680 1 1(b    12  !\I was at **'school#**                            / 
 510  50 5710 1 1 b    11  ^it was a a !very . h\ugger-'mugger *th/ing#*      / 
 510  50 5720 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  50 5730 2 1 b    21  it ^wasn`t 'something that                         / 
 510  50 5740 1 1 a    11  *^[/\m]#*                                          / 
 510  50 5750 1 1 a    11  **^[=m]#**                                         / 
 510  50 5730 1 1(b    11  one :talked about 'very **much** at :\/all# .      / 
 510  50 5760 1 1 b    11  ^\and#                                             / 
 510  51 5770 1 1 b    11  [@m] one ^had tremendous "!f\ears a'bout *it#*     / 
 510  51 5780 1 1 b    11  as ^w/ell#                                         / 
 510  51 5790 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  51 5800 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  51 5810 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  51 5820 1 2(b    11  there **were** ^all !s\orts of 'fears a'bout       / 
 510  51 5820 1 1(b    11  *one`s#*                                           / 
 510  51 5830 1 1 b    11  one`s ^personal . :s\ex life#                      / 
 510  51 5840 1 1 b    11  ^such as it :w\/as#                                / 
 510  51 5850 1 1 b    11  you **^kn/ow#**                                    / 
 510  51 5860 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  51 5870 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  51 5880 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^and !\also#                               / 
 510  51 5890 1 1 b    11  that there was ^no real :{c\ontact} with :g\irls#  / 
 510  51 5900 1 1 b    11  because ^I 'went to a [@m] a !b\oys` school#       / 
 510  51 5910 2 1 b    21  I *mean* there just                                / 
 510  52 5920 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  52 5910 1 1(b    11  ^w\/eren`t any 'girls a'round#                     / 
 510  52 5930 1 1 b    11  at ^\all#                                          / 
 510  52 5940 1 2 b    11  and so a ^{g\irl was a sort of} . !{str\ange .     / 
 510  52 5940 1 1 b    11  [@:m]} in":effable \ob**ject#                      / 
 510  52 5950 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  52 5960 2 1 b    21  ^something** that                                  / 
 510  52 5970 1 1 a    11  **^y\es# .                                         / 
 510  52 5980 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#**                                           / 
 510  52 5960 1 1(b    11  you you !l\onged for#                              / 
 510  52 5990 1 1 b    11  but could ^never *t/ouch#*                         / 
 510  52 6000 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#* -                                         / 
 510  52 6010 1 1 b    11  and I ^d\o _think that# .                          / 
 510  52 6020 1 1 b    11  [@m] ^even if 'people !d\o go to#                  / 
 510  52 6030 1 1 b    11  to ^single 'sex !sch\/ools 'nowadays#              / 
 510  52 6040 1 1 b    11  that they have ^much more "!c\ontact#              / 
 510  53 6050 1 1 b    11  [w] "^w\ith the '[adh] . 'opposite s/ex# -         / 
 510  53 6060 1 1 b    11  ^=and#                                             / 
 510  53 6070 1 2 b    11  [@:m] their ((re^actions)) a 'much more n\atural   / 
 510  53 6070 1 1 b    11  'one#                                              / 
 510  53 6080 1 1 b    11  *you* ^kn/ow#                                      / 
 510  53 6090 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  53 6100 1 2(b    11  [@:m] . ^people com'plain about 'all the           / 
 510  53 6100 1 1(b    11  :n\udity# -                                        / 
 510  53 6110 1 2 b    11  you ^know they 'say that they 'don`t like the      / 
 510  53 6110 1 1 b    11  :n\udity#                                          / 
 510  53 6120 1 1 b    11  ^nudity on ad!v\ertisements and s/o on#            / 
 510  53 6130 1 2 b    12  well I [mi:] ^I I can ^see the . ob"!j\/ection to  / 
 510  53 6130 1 1 b    12  'that#                                             / 
 510  53 6140 1 1 b    11  in in ^terms of . the com!m\ercialism 'of it#      / 
 510  53 6150 1 1 b    11  *the ^exploit!\ation#                              / 
 510  54 6160 2 1 b    21  I ^don`t                                           / 
 510  54 6170 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  54 6180 1 1 a    11  the ^exploit\ation# .                              / 
 510  54 6190 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 510  54 6200 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#*                                            / 
 510  54 6160 1 1(b    11  _like the _exploit!\ation#;.*;                     / 
 510  54 6210 1 1 b    11  but the ^nudity it:s\elf#                          / 
 510  54 6220 2 1 b    22  **I** ^think is a tre!mendously . a tre^m\endous   / 
 510  54 6230 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  54 6240 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  54 6250 1 1 a    11  ^y\eah#*                                           / 
 510  54 6220 1 1(b    12  'thing#                                            / 
 510  54 6260 1 2 b    12  I ^mean *it`s [@:m]* I ^think it`s it`s a          / 
 510  54 6260 1 1 b    12  :m\arvellous 'thing#                               / 
 510  54 6270 1 2 b    11  that ^people . have at 'last . 'managed to         / 
 510  54 6270 1 1 b    11  acc\ept# .                                         / 
 510  54 6280 1 1 b    11  the ^human b\ody#                                  / 
 510  54 6290 1 1 b    11  you ^kn\/ow and#                                   / 
 510  55 6300 1 2 b    11  and [@m] I ^think the the !y\ounger gene'ration    / 
 510  55 6300 1 1 b    11  {par^t\icularly#}#                                 / 
 510  55 6310 1 1 b    11  ac^c\ept it#                                       / 
 510  55 6320 1 1 b    11  in a ^way that we 'just did "n\ot# -               / 
 510  55 6330 1 1 b    20  *((syll))*                                         / 
 510  55 6340 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# *-*                                         / 
 510  55 6350 1 1 a    11  oh I ^think this 'this is :generally :tr\ue#       / 
 510  55 6360 1 1 a    11  but - you know ^from 'what 'I`ve :s\een#           / 
 510  55 6370 1 1 a    11  of ^of the 'kids at sch\ool#                       / 
 510  55 6380 1 1 a    11  there are ^st\ill# .                               / 
 510  55 6390 1 1 a    11  ^quite a l\ot#                                     / 
 510  55 6400 1 1 a    11  who ^are - - !put \out# -                          / 
 510  55 6410 2 1 a    21  ^if you 'talk a'bout _sex                          / 
 510  55 6420 1 1 b    11  ^r/\eally#                                         / 
 510  55 6410 1 1(a    11  :\openly# -                                        / 
 510  55 6430 1 1 a    11  I mean al^though 'in :g\eneral#                    / 
 510  55 6440 1 2 a    11  the ^atmos'phere [i] is - - !{m\ore} .             / 
 510  55 6440 1 1 a    11  'open-\ended# .                                    / 
 510  56 6450 1 1 a    11  and they`re ^m\ore 'willing to 'talk# -            / 
 510  56 6460 1 2 a    13  there`s ^still a 'sort of ^you you can ^w\/atch    / 
 510  56 6460 1 1 a    13  'some of 'them#                                    / 
 510  56 6470 1 1 a    11  [w m] ^closing \up# .                              / 
 510  56 6480 1 1 a    11  and ^{\even} \older#                               / 
 510  56 6490 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  56 6500 1 1 a    11  ^even in the !s\ixth form#                         / 
 510  56 6510 1 1 a    11  there are ^one or tw\o#                            / 
 510  56 6520 1 1 a    11  who ^will not !t\alk about 'sex#                   / 
 510  56 6530 1 1 a    11  but ^usually by :th\en of _course#                 / 
 510  56 6540 1 1 a    11  they . be^cause they`ve got . :positive :v\iews# . / 
 510  56 6550 1 1 a    11  ^rather than because they`re !fr\ightened# -       / 
 510  57 6560 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  57 6570 1 2 a    11  ^but [@] I !think it`s - :one of the :d\angers     / 
 510  57 6570 1 1 a    11  of# .                                              / 
 510  57 6580 1 1 a    11  I sup^pose what they l\ike to 'call#               / 
 510  57 6590 1 1 a    11  the per^missive soc\/iety# -                       / 
 510  57 6600 1 2 a    11  ^is that they`re !just 'making a :very 'sweeping   / 
 510  57 6600 1 1 a    11  !st\atement# -                                     / 
 510  57 6610 1 1 a    11  ^and that they for!g\et#                           / 
 510  57 6620 1 1 a    11  that there`s ^still an e:normous var!\iety# -      / 
 510  57 6630 1 1 b    11  [je] that`s ^very \interesting#                    / 
 510  57 6640 1 1 b    11  I`m ^glad . to h\ear you say 'that in a w/ay#      / 
 510  57 6650 1 1 b    11  be^c=ause [@:m]# .                                 / 
 510  57 6660 1 1 b    11  ((of)) ^course the per!missive soc/iety#           / 
 510  58 6670 1 1 b    11  ^doesn`t ex'ist in 'Cyprus :\anyway#               / 
 510  58 6680 1 1 b    11  *you ^kn/ow#*                                      / 
 510  58 6690 2 1 b    21  it`s a com^pletely                                 / 
 510  58 6700 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 510  58 6710 1 1 a    11  **^n\o#**                                          / 
 510  58 6690 1 1(b    11  **'alien** !c\oncept#                              / 
 510  58 6720 1 1 b    11  because ^I would 'say that :C\yprus#               / 
 510  58 6730 1 1 b    11  in "^that re:sp\ect# .                             / 
 510  58 6740 1 1 b    11  ^is . !fifty years be!h\ind 'England#              / 
 510  58 6750 2 1 b    22  I ^mean *[i]* [em] ^if one can                     / 
 510  58 6760 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  58 6750 1 1(b    12  'call it . :going f\orward 'or#                    / 
 510  58 6770 2 1 b    21  **what^ever you 'like                              / 
 510  58 6780 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 510  58 6790 1 1 a    11  I ^kn\ow what you m/ean#                           / 
 510  58 6800 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#**                                           / 
 510  59 6770 1 1(b    11  to !c\all it {^sort of** !th\ing#}#                / 
 510  59 6810 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow# .                                      / 
 510  59 6820 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - but the ^thing \is that# .                 / 
 510  59 6830 1 2 b    11  ^I just 'don`t be!l\ieve in 'this per'missive      / 
 510  59 6830 1 1 b    11  *soc/iety#*                                        / 
 510  59 6840 2 1 b    22  I ^think it I ^think it`s                          / 
 510  59 6850 1 1 a    11  *((^I d\o#))*                                      / 
 510  59 6860 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  59 6840 1 1(b    12  a :journal:istic !phr\ase **in** a w/ay#           / 
 510  59 6870 1 1 b    11  it`s a ^bit like the 'angry young !m\an#           / 
 510  59 6880 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  59 6890 2 1 b    22  *[i] ^people                                       / 
 510  59 6900 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  59 6910 1 1 a    11  it it`s ^cr\azy#*                                  / 
 510  59 6890 1 2(b    12  'thought that 'everybody* . I re^member 'very      / 
 510  59 6890 1 1(b    12  !cl\early#                                         / 
 510  60 6920 1 1 b    11  [o] on ^one oc'casion I 'had a g\irlfriend#        / 
 510  60 6930 1 1 b    11  when ^I was a'bout [@m] 'seven:t\/een or 'so#      / 
 510  60 6940 1 1 a    11  ^[\mhm]#                                           / 
 510  60 6950 1 1 b    11  ^=and [@m]# -                                      / 
 510  60 6960 1 1 b    12  ^I you ^kn/ow#                                     / 
 510  60 6970 1 1 b    12  I ^had a 'lot of ^I supp\ose# -                    / 
 510  60 6980 1 2 b    11  [@:m] ^uncon'ventional i"!d\eas at [dh ae] at that / 
 510  60 6980 1 1 b    11  /age# -                                            / 
 510  60 6990 1 1 b    11  ^and I . !t\alked#                                 / 
 510  60 7000 1 1 b    11  to ^this !g\irlfriend of 'mine#                    / 
 510  60 7010 1 1 b    11  a^b\/out these i'deas# .                           / 
 510  60 7020 1 1 b    11  ^and !\evidently#                                  / 
 510  60 7030 1 2 b    11  she ^must have 'talked to her "!m\other a'bout them/ 
 510  60 7030 1 1 b    11  you s/ee#                                          / 
 510  60 7040 1 1 b    11  be^c\ause [@:m]# .                                 / 
 510  60 7050 1 1 b    11  on ^one oc'casion I was :over at 'her h\ouse# .    / 
 510  61 7060 1 1 b    11  and her ^m\other# .                                / 
 510  61 7070 1 1 b    11  ^came 'into the r\oom#                             / 
 510  61 7080 1 1 b    11  the ^first time I`d "!m\/et her 'mother# .         / 
 510  61 7090 1 1 b    11  ^and she s=aid [@:m]# -                            / 
 510  61 7100 1 1 b    11  ^oh I thought you were an !angry young !m\an# -    / 
 510  61 7110 1 1 b    11  *you* ^kn/ow#                                      / 
 510  61 7120 1 1 b    11  she "^l\/ooked at 'me you see#                     / 
 510  61 7130 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  61 7140 1 2(b    11  and ^evidently I 'didn`t !look an 'angry **young   / 
 510  61 7140 1 1(b    11  m/an#                                              / 
 510  61 7150 1 1 a    20  **( - - - laughs)**                                / 
 510  62 7160 1 1(b    11  and ^so I !w\asn`t#                                / 
 510  62 7170 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#** .                                    / 
 510  62 7180 1 1 b    11  but the ^th\ing is#                                / 
 510  62 7190 1 1 b    11  that ^at 'that st\age#                             / 
 510  62 7200 1 1 b    11  I ^m=ean# .                                        / 
 510  62 7210 2 1 b    21  when I was                                         / 
 510  62 7220 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  62 7210 1 1(b    11  *^seven*'teen or 'eight\een#                       / 
 510  62 7230 1 1 b    11  "^angry 'young m\an#                               / 
 510  62 7240 1 2 b    11  was a ^journalistic 'phrase that was 'being        / 
 510  62 7240 1 1 b    11  "!\used#;**.;                                      / 
 510  62 7250 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#                                           / 
 510  62 7260 1 1 a    11  ^that`s r/ight#**                                  / 
 510  62 7270 1 1(b    11  ((in)) ^much the 'same w\ay#**                     / 
 510  62 7280 1 1 b    11  as the per^missive so:c\iety#                      / 
 510  62 7290 1 1 b    11  *is ^being 'used "!n\ow#*                          / 
 510  63 7300 1 1 a    11  *and it`s [s] ^so* . "\irritating#                 / 
 510  63 7310 1 1 a    11  it an^n\oys me :{^no \end#}#                       / 
 510  63 7320 1 2 a    13  be^cause [i] it - it ^f\orces 'atti'tudes on . [@] / 
 510  63 7320 1 1 a    13  ^{w\ell} es!pecially y\oung people#                / 
 510  63 7330 1 1 a    11  ^fairly *im*:pr\essionable 'people# -              / 
 510  63 7340 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  63 7350 1 1(a    11  you know ^they 'feel !oh g\oodness#                / 
 510  63 7360 1 1 a    11  we`ve "^got to 'be per:m\issive#                   / 
 510  63 7370 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  63 7380 1 2 a    12  ^((and)) !all [dhi] the ^nonsense a'bout :st\udents/ 
 510  63 7380 1 1 a    12  that`s been 'talked {as ^w\ell#}#                  / 
 510  64 7390 1 1 a    12  the ^way the ^way !st\udents#                      / 
 510  64 7400 1 1 a    11  have been ^blown !\up#                             / 
 510  64 7410 1 1 a    11  as . you ^kn/ow#                                   / 
 510  64 7420 1 1 b    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 510  64 7430 1 1(a    11  a re"^bellious - :gr\oup# -                        / 
 510  64 7440 1 2 a    11  ^who are :constantly . [@:m] -                     / 
 510  64 7440 1 1 a    11  "!anti-es:t\ablish'ment#                           / 
 510  64 7450 1 1 a    11  and ^anti-"!\everything# - -                       / 
 510  64 7460 1 1 b    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 510  64 7470 1 1(a    11  it`s ^had a !lot of :h\arm# .                      / 
 510  64 7480 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  65 7490 1 1 a    11  [bi] you ^kn\ow#                                   / 
 510  65 7500 1 1 a    11  the the ef^f\ects#                                 / 
 510  65 7510 1 1 a    11  have been ^very :b\ad#                             / 
 510  65 7520 1 2 a    11  es^pecially 'on - 'people !wanting to !g\o to      / 
 510  65 7520 1 1 a    11  'uni'versity# -                                    / 
 510  65 7530 1 1 a    11  ^and the !attitude of _their !p\arents#            / 
 510  65 7540 1 1 a    11  who have ^s=aid# .                                 / 
 510  65 7550 1 1 a    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 510  65 7560 1 1 a    11  ^I !don`t !{w\ant you} to g\o to *uni'versity#     / 
 510  65 7570 1 1 a    11  ((or)) to ^places like !th\at# .                   / 
 510  65 7580 1 1 b    11  *is ^that !s\o#                                    / 
 510  65 7590 1 1 b    11  I ^didn`t kn\ow#                                   / 
 510  65 7600 1 1 b    12  ^that`s ^that`s 'very \interesting#                / 
 510  65 7610 1 1 b    21  I ^didn`t !r\ealize that 'that was*                / 
 510  66 7620 1 1 a    11  ^oh it`s :v\ery true# - .                          / 
 510  66 7630 1 1 a    11  it`s ^happened* a !l\ot at 'school# .              / 
 510  66 7640 2 1 a    21  **^parents** who have been !very                   / 
 510  66 7650 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  66 7640 1 2(a    11  !w\orried a'bout their 'son`s 'going to            / 
 510  66 7640 1 1(a    11  univ/ersity#                                       / 
 510  66 7660 1 1 a    11  you *^kn/ow#*                                      / 
 510  66 7670 1 1 a    11  they ^don`t "!w\ant it# -                          / 
 510  66 7680 2 1 a    21  ^they don`t                                        / 
 510  66 7690 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  66 7680 1 1(a    11  "!want to im'agine their s\on sort of# -           / 
 510  66 7700 1 1 a    11  ^leaping into 'bed with 'every other :g\irl and#   / 
 510  67 7710 1 1 b    11  or ^taking dr\ugs *or {^something like th\at#}#    / 
 510  67 7720 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  67 7730 1 1 a    11  *or ^taking dr\ugs 'or#*                           / 
 510  67 7740 1 1 a    11  or . [m] ^sitting :\in and#                        / 
 510  67 7750 2 1 a    21  **^staging**                                       / 
 510  67 7760 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  67 7750 1 1(a    11  this 'that and *the :\other#                       / 
 510  67 7770 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#*                                       / 
 510  67 7780 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#                                            / 
 510  67 7790 1 1 b    11  ( . laughs)* ^y\es# -                              / 
 510  67 7800 1 1 a    11  ^=and#                                             / 
 510  67 7810 1 2 a    12  [dhi] ^[dhi:] sort of :out . the out^sider`s 'view / 
 510  67 7810 1 1 a    12  of uni:v\/ersity 'is#                              / 
 510  68 7820 1 1 a    11  that it`s ^really be'come a 'den of in:\iquity#    / 
 510  68 7830 1 1 b    20  ( . laughs)                                        / 
 510  68 7840 1 1 a    11  and ^even - [@:] the :boys them!s\elves# .         / 
 510  68 7850 1 1 a    12  ^are are ^w\orried a'bout it 'very 'often# -       / 
 510  68 7860 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 510  68 7870 1 1 a    11  ^I can s/\ympathize#                               / 
 510  68 7880 1 1 a    11  cos I`m ^sure !\I would have 'been#                / 
 510  68 7890 1 1 a    11  at ^th\/eir age# -                                 / 
 510  68 7900 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  68 7910 1 1 a    11  ^I`d have *been* !h\orrified#                      / 
 510  68 7920 1 1 a    11  I mean [?] ^as it !w\as#                           / 
 510  68 7930 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  69 7940 1 1(a    11  ^going 'up to 'univ\ersity and# .                  / 
 510  69 7950 1 1 a    11  ^leaving :h\ome for the _first _time#              / 
 510  69 7960 1 1 a    11  was ((a)) ^pretty 'big !st\ep# -                   / 
 510  69 7970 1 1 a    11  because ^\/I went# .                               / 
 510  69 7980 1 1 a    11  ^straight from !sch\ool#                           / 
 510  69 7990 1 1 a    11  *un^l\ike 'you you s/ee#* -                        / 
 510  69 8000 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  69 8010 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  69 8020 1 1(a    11  ^=and# -                                           / 
 510  69 8030 1 1 a    11  if ^/\I`d 'come to#                                / 
 510  69 8040 1 1 a    11  a ^university with "!that sort of :\/image#        / 
 510  69 8050 1 1 a    11  I`m ^sure I`d have been :t\errified# -             / 
 510  69 8060 1 1 a    11  ((cos)) it`s ^not until you`re :th\ere#            / 
 510  69 8070 1 1 a    11  that you ^r\ealize#                                / 
 510  69 8080 1 1 a    11  that ^\/at uni'versity#                            / 
 510  69 8090 1 1 a    11  you can ^go your :\own 'way# .                     / 
 510  70 8100 1 1 a    11  and that it`s ^only . per!m\issive#                / 
 510  70 8110 1 2 a    11  in the ^sense that _you - ((sort of)) :mould your  / 
 510  70 8110 1 1 a    11  'own !!p\ath in a w/ay#                            / 
 510  70 8120 1 1 a    11  ^you are per:mitted to 'do :as you !l\ike# -       / 
 510  70 8130 1 1 a    12  but ^they it im"^p\oses a 'fashion#                / 
 510  70 8140 1 1 a    11  that the - *pub^l\icity 'does#*                    / 
 510  70 8150 1 1 b    12  *I ^think it I* ^think it :\also im'poses#         / 
 510  70 8160 1 1 b    11  ^more than !th\at#                                 / 
 510  70 8170 1 1 b    11  because I ^think that a !l\ot of 'people#          / 
 510  70 8180 1 1 b    11  par^ticularly :g\/irls#                            / 
 510  70 8190 1 1 b    11  are ^forced 'into a 'certain !p\attern#            / 
 510  71 8200 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  71 8210 1 1 a    11  they ^\are#*                                       / 
 510  71 8220 1 1(b    11  *I ^m=ean# .                                       / 
 510  71 8230 1 1 b    11  they`re* ^even f\orced# .                          / 
 510  71 8240 1 2 b    11  to ^lose their vir:g\inity 'let`s 'say you         / 
 510  71 8240 1 1 b    11  **s/ee# .                                          / 
 510  71 8250 1 1 b    11  ^=and#** .                                         / 
 510  71 8260 1 1 b    11  I ^m=ean#                                          / 
 510  71 8270 1 1 a    11  **^y\es# .                                         / 
 510  71 8280 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#**                                           / 
 510  71 8290 1 1(b    11  al^though I don`t ob'ject to that in pr\inciple#   / 
 510  71 8300 1 1 b    11  I mean I ^think it`s a !jolly good !th\ing#        / 
 510  71 8310 2 1 b    21  *if* they                                          / 
 510  71 8320 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  71 8330 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  71 8340 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  72 8310 1 1(b    11  ^w\/ant to but# .                                  / 
 510  72 8350 1 1 b    11  **^not** if they !!d\on`t 'want *to#*              / 
 510  72 8360 1 1 b    11  be^c=ause . [@:m]#                                 / 
 510  72 8370 1 1 b    11  it`s ^just an'other _sort of "!pr\essure#          / 
 510  72 8380 1 1 b    11  ^\isn`t it#                                        / 
 510  72 8390 1 1 b    11  **I ^m=ean# .                                      / 
 510  72 8400 1 1 b    23  ^if you ^if you ^if you 'feel**                    / 
 510  72 8410 1 1 a    11  **it ^\is# .                                       / 
 510  72 8420 1 1 a    11  and there are e^n\ough 'pressures th/ere#**        / 
 510  72 8430 1 1 a    11  ^after !\all#                                      / 
 510  72 8440 1 1 b    11  there ^\are you s/ee#                              / 
 510  72 8450 1 1 b    11  and I ^think [@:m] . in _life [i] . in !!g\eneral# / 
 510  72 8460 1 1 b    11  there are so *^m\any* 'pressures#                  / 
 510  72 8470 2 1 b    22  and I ^think                                       / 
 510  73 8480 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  73 8470 1 1(b    12  'people are !s\ubstituting . [@:] ^in the p\ast#   / 
 510  73 8490 1 1 b    11  ^people - were !terribly [? @:m] a:fr\aid of 'sex# / 
 510  73 8500 1 1 b    11  and they ^didn`t disc/uss it *and#*                / 
 510  73 8510 1 1 b    11  they were ^w\orried a'bout it#                     / 
 510  73 8520 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  73 8530 1 1(b    11  and ^s/o on# -                                     / 
 510  73 8540 1 1 b    11  [@:] and ^{n\ow} there`s a !n\ew sort of 'pressure#/ 
 510  73 8550 1 1 b    11  that you`ve ^got to be :w\ith it#                  / 
 510  73 8560 1 2 b    13  and [@m] you you you ^are "^am I 'getting e!nough  / 
 510  73 8560 1 1 b    13  ^am I 'having enough :\orgasms#                    / 
 510  74 8570 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  74 8580 2 1 b    21  *^th\at sort of                                    / 
 510  74 8590 1 1 a    11  *^th\at`s r/ight#                                  / 
 510  74 8600 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  74 8610 1 1 a    11  +^y=es#+                                           / 
 510  74 8580 1 1(b    11  'thing#;.*;                                        / 
 510  74 8620 1 1 b    11  [@:m] ^am I g\ood enough#                          / 
 510  74 8630 1 1 b    12  ^am +I .+ ^am I "!c\apable#                        / 
 510  74 8640 1 1 b    12  and **^that** . you ^kn/ow#                        / 
 510  74 8650 2 1 b    22  ^that ^that`s the                                  / 
 510  74 8660 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  74 8650 1 1(b    12  !new sort of :pr\essure#                           / 
 510  74 8670 1 2 b    11  which is ^really . 'being *im!p\osed* up'on        / 
 510  74 8670 1 1 b    11  'people# -                                         / 
 510  74 8680 1 1 b    20  **((syll))**                                       / 
 510  74 8690 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  74 8700 1 1 a    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 510  74 8710 1 2 a    11  well ^I think **it`s** a !much !w\orse one in      / 
 510  74 8710 1 1 a    11  f/act#                                             / 
 510  75 8720 1 1 a    11  ^fr\/ankly#                                        / 
 510  75 8730 1 1 a    21  I ^think it`s                                      / 
 510  75 8740 1 1 b    11  in ^s\/ome res'pects#                              / 
 510  75 8750 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 510  75 8760 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  75 8770 1 1 a    11  *I mean* ^\obviously you 'know#                    / 
 510  75 8780 1 1 a    11  the ^\other 'side#                                 / 
 510  75 8790 1 1 a    11  has got a ^lot . a'gainst it as !w\ell#            / 
 510  75 8800 1 1 a    11  **you know the ex^treme re:pr\ession#**            / 
 510  75 8810 1 2 b    11  **yes I I ^don`t like the                          / 
 510  75 8810 1 1 b    11  :((sordid-))"!m\indedness** of the 'other s/ide#   / 
 510  75 8820 1 1 b    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 510  75 8830 2 1 b    21  *^that`s what I !d\on`t*                           / 
 510  76 8840 1 1 a    11  *^n\o# .                                           / 
 510  76 8850 2 1 a    21  ^it`s*                                             / 
 510  76 8830 1 1(b    11  'like ab/out it but **[@m]#**                      / 
 510  76 8850 1 1(a    11  **p\etty#**                                        / 
 510  76 8860 1 1 a    11  it`s ^n\asty#                                      / 
 510  76 8870 1 1 a    11  it`s sort of ^super:cr\itical#                     / 
 510  76 8880 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  76 8890 1 1 a    11  *I mean* at ^least at '[dh@:] at the :m\oment#     / 
 510  76 8900 1 1 a    11  ^people are :much more !g\enerous to'wards 'others#/ 
 510  76 8910 1 1 a    11  I ^{th\ink} on the :wh\ole#                        / 
 510  76 8920 1 1 a    11  ^you kn\ow to#;*-* .;                              / 
 510  76 8930 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  77 8940 1 1(a    11  [@:m] ^well !homo!s\exuals for e_xample#           / 
 510  77 8950 1 1 a    11  is the ^\obvious ex'ample#                         / 
 510  77 8960 1 1 a    11  that **^springs** to m/ind 'where#                 / 
 510  77 8970 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  77 8980 1 1(a    11  - a "^l\ot of 'people {at ^\any rate#}#            / 
 510  77 8990 1 1 a    11  are "^are 'more g/enerous# .                       / 
 510  77 9000 1 1 a    20  *((2 sylls))*                                      / 
 510  77 9010 1 1 b    11  ^I 'think they *:\are#                             / 
 510  77 9020 1 2 b    12  and* I ^think !even if [@:m] a^{g\ain you 'see}    / 
 510  77 9020 1 1 b    12  one`s :g\eneralizing#                              / 
 510  77 9030 1 1 b    11  when one ^says a !l\/ot of **'people#**            / 
 510  77 9040 2 1 b    21  but ^on the                                        / 
 510  78 9050 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  78 9040 1 1(b    11  'other h\and# .                                    / 
 510  78 9060 1 1 b    11  [@:] I ^think that . _almost "!\/everybody is#     / 
 510  78 9070 1 1 b    11  "^f\orced to 'be 'more 'generous#                  / 
 510  78 9080 1 1 b    11  *than* he ^w\/ould be#                             / 
 510  78 9090 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  78 9100 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  78 9110 1 1 b    11  [@:m] you ^kn/ow#                                  / 
 510  78 9120 1 2 b    11  it re^minds me ((of what)) :\Orwell 'always _said  / 
 510  78 9120 1 1 b    11  that [@:m]# .                                      / 
 510  78 9130 1 1 b    11  the ^i'dea of the :English !g\/entleman# .         / 
 510  78 9140 1 2 b    11  al^though it 'may be in !some . !{s\ome re'spects} / 
 510  78 9140 1 1 b    11  [? @:] :l\udicrous# -                              / 
 510  78 9150 1 1 b    11  or con^t\/emptible# -                              / 
 510  79 9160 1 1 b    12  is ^not in [it'se] is ^not !r\/eally con'temptible#/ 
 510  79 9170 1 1 b    11  because it`s "^b\/etter#                           / 
 510  79 9180 1 2 b    11  than than ^having an i'dea of your'self as a       / 
 510  79 9180 1 1 b    11  ":f\ascist 'let`s *s/ay you 'see#                  / 
 510  79 9190 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  79 9200 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  79 9210 1 2(b    11  I mean* at ^least it 'puts 'some sort of con":tr\ol/ 
 510  79 9210 1 1(b    11  'on you#                                           / 
 510  79 9220 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 510  79 9230 1 1(b    11  ^=and#                                             / 
 510  79 9240 1 1 b    11  ^some sort of "!s\anction#                         / 
 510  80 9250 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  80 9260 1 1(b    11  that pre^v\/ents you from# .                       / 
 510  80 9270 1 1 b    11  be^h\/aviour#                                      / 
 510  80 9280 1 1 b    11  which is ^really des!p\icable#                     / 
 510  80 9290 1 1 a    11  ^[h\m]# -                                          / 
 510  80 9300 1 2 b    12  ^and I !think he`s '[re] it`s the ^same sort of    / 
 510  80 9300 1 1 b    12  'thing in !th\is 'case#                            / 
 510  80 9310 1 1 b    11  that ^most 'people :n\/owadays# -                  / 
 510  80 9320 1 1 b    12  [@:m ?@:] ^can`t 'have ^can`t \exercise#           / 
 510  80 9330 1 2 b    11  the ^same 'sort of . :{r\acial} . 'and [@:m]       / 
 510  80 9330 1 1 b    11  :{s\exual} . "pr\ejudices#                         / 
 510  80 9340 1 1 b    11  which they ^had in the :p\/ast#                    / 
 510  80 9350 1 1 b    11  [@: @:] be^cause they`re a"!!fr\aid to#            / 
 510  81 9360 2 1 b    21  *because* it`s ^just 'not                          / 
 510  81 9370 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  81 9360 1 1(b    11  the :thing to !d\o#                                / 
 510  81 9380 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not ac"!c\eptable# -                         / 
 510  81 9390 1 1 b    11  ^y\ou 'know#                                       / 
 510  81 9400 2 1 b    22  and I **^think** 'that`s a !![gu] I mean [i] it    / 
 510  81 9410 1 1 a    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 510  81 9400 1 1(b    12  ^{\is} a :g\ood thing#                             / 
 510  81 9420 1 1 b    11  it ^may be 'hypo:cr\itical#                        / 
 510  81 9430 1 1 b    11  ^people 'say w\ell# -                              / 
 510  81 9440 1 2 b    11  [i ? i] it`s ^not 'how they :really 'feel          / 
 510  81 9440 1 1 b    11  :b\asically#                                       / 
 510  81 9450 1 1 b    11  they ^feel !d\ifferently#                          / 
 510  82 9460 1 1 b    13  they`d ^like to . ^to [@:m] you ^kn/ow#            / 
 510  82 9470 1 2 b    11  ^kill 'all . :coloured 'people *or* :something like/ 
 510  82 9470 1 1 b    11  th\at#                                             / 
 510  82 9480 1 1 a    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 510  82 9490 1 1 a    11  ^y/eah#                                            / 
 510  82 9500 1 1(b    11  but the ^fact that they "!d\on`t 'do it#           / 
 510  82 9510 1 1 b    11  and that they "^c\an`t 'do it#                     / 
 510  82 9520 2 1 b    21  and that *so^ciety* _doesn`t ap"!!pr\ove of their  / 
 510  82 9530 1 1 a    11  *((^that`s /it#))*                                 / 
 510  82 9540 1 1 a    11  **^y\es# .                                         / 
 510  82 9550 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#**                                           / 
 510  82 9520 1 1(b    11  'doing it#                                         / 
 510  82 9560 1 1 b    11  **. is im**"^mensely im:p\ortant be_cause# .       / 
 510  82 9570 1 2 b    11  ^look at what 'happens in a so'ciety where it "!\is/ 
 510  82 9570 1 1 b    11  ap'proved 'of# .                                   / 
 510  83 9580 1 1 a    11  ^oh abso!l\utely#                                  / 
 510  83 9590 1 1 a    11  *^y\es# .                                          / 
 510  83 9600 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  83 9610 1 1(b    11  *you ^kn/ow#                                       / 
 510  83 9620 1 1 b    13  ^[ae] and ^where where* it "^\is al'lowed#         / 
 510  83 9630 1 1 b    11  where **^that sort of thing** !\is al'lowed#       / 
 510  83 9640 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  83 9650 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  83 9660 2 1(b    23  *I ^mean* and ^[pi:] ^people have 'just .          / 
 510  83 9670 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 510  83 9680 1 1 a    11  **^y/es#**                                         / 
 510  83 9660 1 1(b    13  got "!n\o sort of con'trol of them_selves#         / 
 510  83 9690 1 1 b    11  **at** ^\all# .                                    / 
 510  83 9700 1 2 a    11  well at ^East {H\am} we`re right in the !th\ick of / 
 510  83 9700 1 1 a    11  the#                                               / 
 510  84 9710 1 1 a    11  ^((2 sylls)) :r\ace 'problem# .                    / 
 510  84 9720 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  84 9730 1 2(a    12  ^which [@] ^we`ve had some !very n\asty .          / 
 510  84 9730 1 1(a    12  'patches# .                                        / 
 510  84 9740 1 1 a    11  ^really :v\ery un'pleasant#                        / 
 510  84 9750 1 1 a    11  in^d\eed# .                                        / 
 510  84 9760 1 2 b    11  ^I`d be !interested to !h\ear about 'that          / 
 510  84 9760 1 1 b    11  /actually#                                         / 
 510  84 9770 1 2 b    11  be^cause [@m] :we`re a 'bit re!m\ote from 'that in / 
 510  84 9770 1 1 b    11  *'Cyp*rus#                                         / 
 510  84 9780 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  84 9790 1 2(b    12  you know ^though ^well of course I mean you :may   / 
 510  84 9790 1 1(b    12  say there :is a :racial pr\oblem#                  / 
 510  85 9800 1 1 b    11  in the ^sense that there are !T\urks#              / 
 510  85 9810 1 1 b    11  **and** ^Gr\eeks#                                  / 
 510  85 9820 2 1 b    21  but it`s                                           / 
 510  85 9830 1 1 a    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  85 9840 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 510  85 9850 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#                                            / 
 510  85 9860 1 1 a    11  ^m\ust be#                                         / 
 510  85 9870 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#+                                            / 
 510  85 9820 1 1(b    11  *^quite* d\ifferent +'really#                      / 
 510  85 9880 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not the :s\/ame sort+ of 'thing#             / 
 510  85 9890 1 1 b    11  at ^\all#                                          / 
 510  85 9900 1 1 a    11  ^y\eah# .                                          / 
 510  85 9910 1 1 a    11  well ^this has . :come ab\out that#                / 
 510  85 9920 1 1 a    11  ^one of the :areas !n\ear 'East 'Ham#              / 
 510  85 9930 1 1 a    11  and which ^feeds 'our !sch\ool#                    / 
 510  85 9940 1 1 a    11  ^Forest !G\ate# -                                  / 
 510  85 9950 1 1 a    11  [@:] has be^c=ome# .                               / 
 510  86 9960 1 2 a    11  I sup^pose almost pre!d\ominantly 'populated by    / 
 510  86 9960 1 1 a    11  'coloured _people# .                               / 
 510  86 9970 1 1 a    11  [@m] ^Indians 'Pakis'tanis par:t\icularly# .       / 
 510  86 9980 1 1 a    11  but a ^few 'West 'Indians as :w\ell# -             / 
 510  86 9990 1 1 a    11  "^=and# - -                                        / 
 510  8610000 1 1 a    11  ^they were 'mixing :r\/easonably 'well#            / 
 510  8610010 1 2 a    11  un^til [dh] it 'started to be'come . a a ((sort    / 
 510  8610010 1 1 a    11  of)) :big 'public !th\ing# .                       / 
 510  8610020 1 2 a    11  you know "^really un'til _Enoch !P\owell 'started  / 
 510  8610020 1 1 a    11  to 'talk#                                          / 
 510  8610030 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 510  8710040 1 1 a    11  and ^then it :really became :most un!pl\easant# -  / 
 510  8710050 1 2 a    11  we`d ^got . !not 'all 'that :m\any in 'our         / 
 510  8710050 1 1 a    11  'school# .                                         / 
 510  8710060 1 2 a    11  because ^most of them come :over !not speaking     / 
 510  8710060 1 1 a    11  \English# .                                        / 
 510  8710070 1 1 a    11  *or* ^not being 'able to !wr\ite 'English#         / 
 510  8710080 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  8710090 1 2(a    12  and ^therefore not 'many of _them get _into the the/ 
 510  8710090 1 1(a    12  ^gr\ammar **school** 'system in 'fact# -           / 
 510  8710100 1 1 b    11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 510  8710110 1 1(a    11  ^=and# - -                                         / 
 510  8710120 1 1 a    11  you`d ^get a !!real 'persec\ution 'of them# .      / 
 510  8810130 1 1 a    11  say [t] a ^c\ouple#                                / 
 510  8810140 1 1 a    11  in a ^cl\ass# -                                    / 
 510  8810150 1 2 a    11  ^and it was !always 'worse to have :{tw\o} than    / 
 510  8810150 1 1 a    11  :\one# -                                           / 
 510  8810160 1 1 a    11  ^if there was !\/one# -                            / 
 510  8810170 1 1 a    11  they`d ^somehow be 'willing to ac:c\ept him# .     / 
 510  8810180 2 1 a    21  but ^if there *was*                                / 
 510  8810190 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  8810200 1 1 b    11  **^[=m]#**                                         / 
 510  8810180 1 1(a    11  !tw\/o#                                            / 
 510  8810210 1 1 a    11  they would ^stick tog\ether# .                     / 
 510  8810220 1 2 a    11  **and** im^mediately cre:ate a sort of !little     / 
 510  8810220 1 1 a    11  soc\iety#                                          / 
 510  8810230 1 1 a    11  ^out!s\ide# -                                      / 
 510  8810240 1 1 a    11  the the ^{m\ain} . !wh\ite so'ciety# .             / 
 510  8810250 1 1 a    11  and ^they bec\ame# .                               / 
 510  8810260 1 1 a    12  the ^sort of . the you know ^P\iggies of the 'form#/ 
 510  8910270 1 1 a    11  if you re^member 'Lord of the !Fl\ies#             / 
 510  8910280 1 1 a    11  *. ^you kn/ow#* .                                  / 
 510  8910290 2 1 a    21  "^they were the                                    / 
 510  8910300 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 510  8910310 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 510  8910290 1 1(a    11  'ones that people !p\icked on#                     / 
 510  8910320 1 1 a    11  ^it was . a re!lease for the :fat b/oy#            / 
 510  8910330 1 1 a    12  ^or for the . the the ^non-!sp\orty _boy#          / 
 510  8910340 1 1 a    11  or ^something like !th\at#                         / 
 510  8910350 1 2 a    11  be^cause it _meant that !he could 'turn on _them as/ 
 510  8910350 1 1 a    11  :w\ell#                                            / 
 510  8910360 1 1 a    11  it was a ^different - 'person *to* at!t\ack# .     / 
 510  9010370 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 510  9010380 1 1(a    11  ^but they !w\ere at'tacked#                        / 
 510  9010390 1 1 a    11  and ^often :very se:v\erely#                       / 
 510  9010400 1 1 b    11  well of ^course in !th\is re'spect#                / 
 510  9010410 1 1 b    11  ^children !aren`t af:f\ected by '[dhi:]#           / 
 510  9010420 1 1 b    11  ^current :mores :r\eally#                          / 
 510  9010430 1 1 a    11  *^n\o#*                                            / 
 510  9010440 1 1(b    12  in *the* ^sense that . [@:m] you ^kn\ow# .         / 
 510  9010450 1 1 b    11  ^they`re 'not in!h\ibited#                         / 
 510  9010460 2 1 b    22  **because** ^they ^they can 'do                    / 
 510  9010470 1 1 a    11  **^n\o#**                                          / 
 510  9010480 1 1 a    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 510  9110460 1 1(b    12  what they !w\ant to *'do#*                         / 
 510  9110490 1 1 b    12  and they ^don`t 'feel the :[sei] . ^that`s wh\y#   / 
 510  9110500 1 1 b    11  I ^think it`s so [?@] 'so !str\ange#               / 
 510  9110510 1 1 b    11  when ^p\eople#                                     / 
 510  9110520 1 1 b    11  ^seem to 'think that !ch\ildren# .                 / 
 510  9110530 1 1 b    11  [@:m] are more ^{s\ensitive} than !\adults#        / 
 510  9110540 1 1 b    11  because in ^fact they`re ":n\ot#                   / 
 511a  1   10 1 1 a    11 1^come !/in# - .                                    / 
 511a  1   20 1 1 B    11 1^can I !sm\oke in 'here *[dei] . D/avid#*          / 
 511a  1   30 1 1 a    11 1*^pl\ease#                                         / 
 511a  1   40 1 1 a    11 1^pl\ease* old 'fellow#                             / 
 511a  1   50 1 1 a    11 1^come =in#                                         / 
 511a  1   60 1 1 a    11 1and ^sm=oke#                                       / 
 511a  1   70 1 1 a    11 1and . "^be h\appy# -                               / 
 511a  1   80 1 1 a    11 1^come 'in and :sit down th\ere# .                  / 
 511a  1   90 1 1 a    11 1^sorry the _room is _all +!prear:r/anged#          / 
 511a  1  100 1 1 a    20 1I`ve been                                          / 
 511a  1  110 1 1 B    11 1+^all r/ight#                                      / 
 511a  1  120 1 1 B    21 1^don`t 'worry about ((3 to 4 sylls))+              / 
 511a  1  130 2 1 a    21 1^having some+ 'kind of [@:] - 'of *[@] .           / 
 511a  2  140 1 1 B    11 1*sab^batical !y\ear#*                              / 
 511a  2  130 1 1(a    11 1c\onference#*                                      / 
 511a  2  150 1 1 a    11 1^just 'one s\econd# - - -                          / 
 511a  2  160 1 2 a    11 1(speaks on telephone - - - ) - . [@] - ^s\orry     / 
 511a  2  160 1 1 a    11 1about th/is 'Ralph#                                / 
 511a  2  170 1 1 a    20 1*I .                                               / 
 511a  2  180 1 1 B    11 1*^don`t w/orry# .                                  / 
 511a  2  190 1 1 B    11 1((^don`t !w\orry#))*                               / 
 511a  2  200 1 1 a    11 1^do you kn/ow# .                                   / 
 511a  2  210 1 1 a    11 1^last* n/ight 'laddie# -                           / 
 511a  2  220 1 2 a    11 1I [@:m] . I`d been "^working a'way like :st\ink    / 
 511a  2  220 1 1 a    11 1this _week#                                        / 
 511a  3  230 1 1 a    11 1^trying to "!cl\ear /up# .                         / 
 511a  3  240 1 1 a    11 1^[dhi:] !b\/acklog of 'mail#                       / 
 511a  3  250 1 1 a    11 1^caused by me :only 'being three weeks a!w\ay# .   / 
 511a  3  260 1 1 B    11 1+^y=es#+                                           / 
 511a  3  270 1 1 a    11 1+and+ ^I 'thought I was 'doing :m\arvellously#     / 
 511a  3  280 1 1 B    11 1*^y=eah#*                                          / 
 511a  3  290 1 1 a    11 1*and* ^at a_bout . !!six o`'clock 'last n/ight# .  / 
 511a  3  300 1 1 a    11 1I was ^sorting 'through . [sh] st\uff on the d=esk#/ 
 511a  4  310 1 2 a    11 1and ^I dis!covered ( . giggles) a !fat 'wadge of   / 
 511a  4  310 1 1 a    11 1st/uff# -                                          / 
 511a  4  320 1 1 a    11 1[@ ?] ^all 'carefully /opened#                     / 
 511a  4  330 1 1 a    11 1and ^and !documented by M/illy#                    / 
 511a  4  340 1 1 a    11 1that I ^hadn`t 'even "s/\een# .                    / 
 511a  4  350 1 1 a    11 1^so . "!back to the :dr\awing-'board#              / 
 511a  4  360 1 1 a    11 1I was ^\up !half the n/ight of course# -           / 
 511a  4  370 1 1 a    11 1^finding what 'what was wh\at# .                   / 
 511a  4  380 1 1 a    20 1+so+                                               / 
 511a  4  390 1 2 B    11 1^so you`ve +[@:]+ . re!covered your - . po:s\ition / 
 511a  4  390 1 1 B    11 1'now h/ave you#                                    / 
 511a  5  400 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a  5  410 1 1 a    11 1^more or l/ess# .                                  / 
 511a  5  420 1 1 a    11 1^=and [@:m]#                                       / 
 511a  5  430 1 1 a    11 1I`m [m] "^n\/ext week#                             / 
 511a  5  440 1 1 a    11 1is my ^last 'week aw=ay#                           / 
 511a  5  450 1 1 a    11 1[m] ^broadly :sp\eaking#                           / 
 511a  5  460 1 1 a    11 1I`m ^going to :Br\emen and :{^Br\uges#}#           / 
 511a  5  470 1 1 a    11 1^I got "buggered \up#                              / 
 511a  5  480 1 2 a    11 1on [dhi: @:m - . @:] ^{G\erman} . l\ecture 'visits / 
 511a  5  480 1 1 a    11 1that 'I`ve been d/oing#                            / 
 511a  5  490 1 1 a    11 1it ^should have been :all done in "!\one# -        / 
 511a  5  500 1 1 a    11 1and ^then there 'were :some !d\ifficulties#        / 
 511a  6  510 1 1 a    11 1so I ^had to come "b\/ack#                         / 
 511a  6  520 1 1 B    11 1*^y/eah#*                                          / 
 511a  6  530 1 1 a    11 1*with* a ^week in betw\een#                        / 
 511a  6  540 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah# -                                          / 
 511a  6  550 1 2 a    11 1[@:m] - ^one or 'two 'things that I :wanted to [@:]/ 
 511a  6  550 1 1 a    11 1- :r\aise with y/ou# -                             / 
 511a  6  560 1 2 a    11 1[@:m] . ^Plato ex'ams and se:c\urity I`ve 'got down/ 
 511a  6  560 1 1 a    11 1h/ere# .                                           / 
 511a  6  570 1 1 a    21 1[@:m] - - . ^I !take *it that*                     / 
 511a  7  580 1 1 B    11 1*these "^thr\ee* things you m/ean# .               / 
 511a  7  590 1 1 B    12 1^these ^these are !three !s\eparate 'things#       / 
 511a  7  600 1 1 a    11 1^these are _three s\eparate things :{^y\eah#}#     / 
 511a  7  610 1 1 B    11 1^y=eah# .                                          / 
 511a  7  620 1 2 a    11 1[@:m] . I ^take it 'that - . [@:m dhi] :new 'Plato / 
 511a  7  620 1 1 a    11 1:dispen:s\ation# -                                 / 
 511a  7  630 1 2 a    11 1^has . !gone down :well with [@:m] - !Caroline and / 
 511a  7  630 1 1 a    11 1St\alker# .                                        / 
 511a  8  640 1 1 a    11 1^neither of them were :m\entioned# .               / 
 511a  8  650 1 1 a    11 1^in [dhi] :document that I :s\aw [?] on it# -      / 
 511a  8  660 1 1 B    11 1was ^that that !l\etter I wr/ote +'round#+         / 
 511a  8  670 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+ .                                        / 
 511a  8  680 1 1 B    11 1oh ^that was a :casual :l\etter#                   / 
 511a  8  690 1 1 B    11 1^only [@:] de:signed to [@:m] :keep them - !c\alm# / 
 511a  8  700 1 1 B    11 1((and)) in the ^p\icture#                          / 
 511a  8  710 1 2 B    11 1I ^mean there`s a !whole lot of b\/ackground to    / 
 511a  8  710 1 1 B    11 1'that# -                                           / 
 511a  9  720 1 1 B    11 1[@:] the ^picture :\is that [@:m]# .               / 
 511a  9  730 1 2 B    12 1that [@ - . s] the ^[pleit] (([@] the)) ^{f\irst   / 
 511a  9  730 1 1 B    12 1year} :t\/eaching ((you 'see))#                    / 
 511a  9  740 1 1 B    11 1^really !needed at:t\ention# .                     / 
 511a  9  750 1 1 B    11 1from the ^point of 'view of :seeing h\ow#          / 
 511a  9  760 1 1 B    11 1it would ^be af'fected 'by the re"!!v\isions# -    / 
 511a  9  770 1 1 B    11 1and ^that had been :left 'pretty :v\ague# -        / 
 511a 10  780 1 1 B    11 1and we ^did m\eet#                                 / 
 511a 10  790 1 2 B    12 1[@:] the ^other d/ay [?] "^Stalker 'wrote a        / 
 511a 10  790 1 1 B    12 1:p\aper# - .                                       / 
 511a 10  800 1 1 B    11 1^but [@:] we !really ar"!r\ived#                   / 
 511a 10  810 1 1 B    11 1at a ^slightly !d\/ifferent con'clusion#           / 
 511a 10  820 1 1 B    11 1about ^h\ow the _Plato# .                          / 
 511a 10  830 1 1 B    11 1should should ^now be "t/\aught# -                 / 
 511a 10  840 1 1 B    11 1^this is a thing I`m not very well :\up in#        / 
 511a 10  850 1 1 B    11 1^as you !kn\ow#                                    / 
 511a 10  860 1 1 a    11 1^well you !seem to have a:chieved :m\/ore than# .  / 
 511a 11  870 2 1 a    22 1^dear !John .                                      / 
 511a 11  880 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah# - -                                        / 
 511a 11  890 1 1 B    11 1*((2 to 3 sylls ^what was he d\oing#))*            / 
 511a 11  870 1 1(a    12 1was ^able to ach/ieve#                             / 
 511a 11  900 1 1 a    11 1*in ^some !y\ears here#                            / 
 511a 11  910 1 1 a    12 1because "^he was [k !konst] .* ^w\ell#             / 
 511a 11  920 1 1 a    11 1^he was 'constantly tr/ying {to ^g/et#}# -         / 
 511a 11  930 1 1 a    11 1the ^Pl\/ato teaching#                             / 
 511a 11  940 1 1 a    11 1^onto a !somewhat a"!n\alogous . f/ooting#         / 
 511a 11  950 1 1 a    11 1to the ^rest of the 'new "!!s\yllabus#             / 
 511a 12  960 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 12  970 1 1 B    11 1*^th\/at`s right# - -                              / 
 511a 12  980 1 1 B    11 1^[\m]#*                                            / 
 511a 12  990 1 1 a    11 1*and in "^f\/act you 'see#                         / 
 511a 12 1000 1 1 a    11 1[@:m]* the ^Pl\ato 'teaching#                      / 
 511a 12 1010 1 1 a    11 1had ^g\one /on# -                                  / 
 511a 12 1020 1 1 a    11 1"^m\/ore or 'less#                                 / 
 511a 12 1030 1 1 a    11 1"^\/unchanged#                                     / 
 511a 12 1040 1 1 a    11 1from the +((^\old university 'syllabus#))+         / 
 511a 12 1050 1 1 B    11 1+^y\es#                                            / 
 511a 12 1060 1 1 B    11 1^that`s r\ight#+                                   / 
 511a 12 1070 1 1 B    11 1^w\ell#                                            / 
 511a 12 1080 1 1 B    11 1[@:] the . I ^think the po:s=ition 'is#            / 
 511a 12 1090 1 1 B    11 1that we`re ^all r\ight#                            / 
 511a 12 1100 1 2 B    11 1as re^gards [@:] con:ciliating :Caroline and       / 
 511a 12 1100 1 1 B    11 1!St\alker# -                                       / 
 511a 12 1110 1 2 B    11 1[@:m sto?st@?] ^Stalker 'was in'volved in a rather / 
 511a 12 1110 1 1 B    11 1:l\ong [@:]# - .                                   / 
 511a 13 1120 1 1 B    11 1"^t\ension about#                                  / 
 511a 13 1130 1 2 B    11 1[@:] ^that 'thing that came :up a'bout the [s]     / 
 511a 13 1130 1 1 B    11 1:sessional ex!\ams the 'other 'day#                / 
 511a 13 1140 1 1 a    11 1^s\/orry#                                          / 
 511a 13 1150 1 1 a    12 1*^[wo] ^what was th\is#                            / 
 511a 13 1160 1 1 B    21 1*the ^point is that [@:]*                          / 
 511a 13 1170 1 1 a    12 1^can you* 'ink ^ink me !\/in +on this#+            / 
 511a 13 1180 1 1 B    11 1+^well I+ !t\alked to y/ou [@b] a'bout it#         / 
 511a 13 1190 1 1 B    21 1it . it`s . *^quite ((3 to 4 sylls)) - ((1 syll))* / 
 511a 14 1200 1 1 a    11 1*I ^if it`s the Ren\/aissance 'paper#              / 
 511a 14 1210 1 1 a    11 1^they were !too* d\ifficult# .                     / 
 511a 14 1220 1 1 B    11 1((that`s)) ^r\ight#                                / 
 511a 14 1230 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 14 1240 1 1 B    21 1the ^point +being+                                 / 
 511a 14 1250 1 1 a    11 1+is ^he+ in"v/olved in 'that#                      / 
 511a 14 1260 1 1 B    11 1^he !s\et it# - .                                  / 
 511a 14 1270 1 1 a    11 1oh I ^hadn`t r/\ealized *'that#*                   / 
 511a 15 1280 1 1 B    11 1*( . laughs) ^oh* y/\eah#                          / 
 511a 15 1290 1 1 a    11 1^I hadn`t +r/\ealized 'that#+                      / 
 511a 15 1300 1 1 B    11 1+^very much+ :his kind of !p\aper# - .             / 
 511a 15 1310 1 1 B    11 1[@:] it was a ^very 'hard !p\aper you *'see#*      / 
 511a 15 1320 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#*                                          / 
 511a 15 1330 1 1 a    11 1but I didn`t his ^name wasn`t 'mentioned bef/ore# ./ 
 511a 15 1340 1 1 a    11 1+^this was the 'thing that sur!pr\ised+ me#        / 
 511a 15 1350 1 1 B    11 1+well the ^sessional qu/estion#+ -                 / 
 511a 16 1360 1 1 a    11 1"^wh/at#                                           / 
 511a 16 1370 1 1 B    11 1on the ^s\/essional 'question#                     / 
 511a 16 1380 1 1 a    11 1*"^y\es#*                                          / 
 511a 16 1390 1 1 B    11 1*have you* ^g/ot it# .                             / 
 511a 16 1400 1 1 a    21 1"^I thought that +:when we ((1 to 2 sylls))+       / 
 511a 16 1410 1 1 B    11 1+((^when we have 'time to))+ 'go into :d\/etails#  / 
 511a 16 1420 1 1 B    11 1^when we`ve !t\/alked a'bout it#                   / 
 511a 16 1430 1 2 B    11 1^I`m just 'telling you 'what the :nature of the    / 
 511a 16 1430 1 1 B    11 1":r\/ow was#                                       / 
 511a 17 1440 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#*                                          / 
 511a 17 1450 1 1 B    11 1*that* ^some of the !joint !h\/onours students#    / 
 511a 17 1460 1 1 B    11 1had ^felt that it +was un"!d\oable#+               / 
 511a 17 1470 1 1 a    11 1+^th\/at`s 'right#+ .                              / 
 511a 17 1480 1 1 a    11 1^th\/at`s 'right#                                  / 
 511a 17 1490 1 1 B    11 1and they ^h\ad done b/adly#                        / 
 511a 17 1500 1 1 B    11 1^that was all :m\ore or _less#                     / 
 511a 17 1510 1 1 B    11 1[?@ ?@] . ^tided \ov*er#*                          / 
 511a 17 1520 1 1 a    11 1*(clears throat . )* +^y/eah#+                     / 
 511a 18 1530 1 2 B    11 1+I+ ^somewhat 'took [@] . :Stalker`s "!p\art on it / 
 511a 18 1530 1 1 B    11 1as a *'matter of f/act#*                           / 
 511a 18 1540 1 1 a    11 1*^[\m]# .                                          / 
 511a 18 1550 1 1 a    11 1^[\m]#*                                            / 
 511a 18 1560 1 1 B    20 1+((1 to 2 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 18 1570 1 1 a    11 1+^well one+ !h\as to ((on these occ/asions))#      / 
 511a 18 1580 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 18 1590 1 1 B    11 1but there were ^other 'people in the dep\artment#  / 
 511a 18 1600 1 1 B    11 1who ^thought it too h/\ard#                        / 
 511a 19 1610 1 2 B    11 1in that the ^joint honours 'students were 'being   / 
 511a 19 1610 1 1 B    11 1:treated with'out consider:\ation#                 / 
 511a 19 1620 1 1 B    11 1or with^out e"!n\ough# -                           / 
 511a 19 1630 1 2 B    12 1and it ^could have de'veloped in [?] and it "^{d\id/ 
 511a 19 1630 1 1 B    12 1de'velop} in !\/one re'spect#                      / 
 511a 19 1640 1 1 B    11 1into a ^b\/it of a 'tension#                       / 
 511a 19 1650 1 1 B    11 1be^tween [@] !{R\aymond} [@] and :Gr\aham# -       / 
 511a 19 1660 1 2 B    13 1but ^I think that`s 'now . I ^mean 'that ^y\/ou    / 
 511a 19 1660 1 1 B    13 1know#                                              / 
 511a 20 1670 1 1 B    11 1^that`s now !\over# .                              / 
 511a 20 1680 1 1 B    11 1but "^then this thing !speedily 'came /up#         / 
 511a 20 1690 1 1 B    11 1"^Graham pro'duced this p/aper#                    / 
 511a 20 1700 1 1 B    11 1"^Caroline came b/ack# .                           / 
 511a 20 1710 1 1 B    11 1I "^saw 'Caroline last w/eek#                      / 
 511a 20 1720 1 1 a    11 1^what do you _mean 'Caroline came +"b\ack#+        / 
 511a 20 1730 1 1 B    11 1+((1 syll))+ ^w\ell#                               / 
 511a 20 1740 1 1 B    11 1^she [sh] showed :\up here#                        / 
 511a 20 1750 1 2 B    12 1^after her 'first for the ^first time 'after her . / 
 511a 20 1750 1 1 B    12 1'visit to A!!m\erica#                              / 
 511a 21 1760 1 1 a    11 1^y/eah# .                                          / 
 511a 21 1770 1 1 B    11 1I ^had !sp\oken to her on {the ^ph\one#}#          / 
 511a 21 1780 1 1 B    11 1but I ^hadn`t "!{s\een her} in the :fl\/esh#       / 
 511a 21 1790 1 1 a    11 1^[=m]#                                             / 
 511a 21 1800 1 1 B    11 1and ^I had a :t\/alk with her#                     / 
 511a 21 1810 1 1 B    11 1^she`s 'un"!h\appy about c/ertain 'things#         / 
 511a 21 1820 1 1 B    11 1but is ^basically in 'good !sp\irits# -            / 
 511a 22 1830 1 1 B    11 1^=and [@:]# .                                      / 
 511a 22 1840 1 1 B    11 1I`ve ^{s\ent her that} :l\etter#                   / 
 511a 22 1850 1 1 B    11 1that [@:] I ^sent a 'copy of to y/ou#              / 
 511a 22 1860 1 1 B    11 1[s@] and she was "^at the :m\/eeting# -            / 
 511a 22 1870 1 1 B    11 1she ^put her v\/iew#                               / 
 511a 22 1880 1 2 B    11 1I ^think that they`re !all 'fairly "c/\alm a'bout  / 
 511a 22 1880 1 1 B    11 1the 'whole 'thing# .                               / 
 511a 22 1890 1 1 a    11 1^r=ight# .                                         / 
 511a 22 1900 1 1 B    11 1it`s a ^matter of ":{wh\ether} !C\/ampion#         / 
 511a 23 1910 1 1 B    11 1^with C\/aro'line#                                 / 
 511a 23 1920 1 1 B    11 1^can prod/uce#                                     / 
 511a 23 1930 1 1 B    11 1an in^telligible pl/an# .                          / 
 511a 23 1940 1 1 B    11 1for the ^five to . /eight#                         / 
 511a 23 1950 1 1 B    20 1+[@:]+                                             / 
 511a 23 1960 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+ -                                        / 
 511a 23 1970 1 1 a    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 23 1980 1 1 a    21 1"^I would have ex!pect*ed . [@:m]*                 / 
 511a 23 1990 1 1 B    11 1*^((\eight))# -                                    / 
 511a 23 2000 1 1 B    11 1^t\erm* I 'mean#                                   / 
 511a 23 2010 1 1 B    21 1+((^term was what !\I said))+                      / 
 511a 23 2020 1 1 a    11 1+^I would have ex!pected+ "Gr\/aham# -             / 
 511a 23 2030 1 1 a    11 1to ^be !rather 'more re:c\alcitrant . on 'this# .  / 
 511a 24 2040 1 1 a    11 1*((than he ^h\as been#))*                          / 
 511a 24 2050 1 3 B    12 1*^well he !!put* [@ @] . ^one of 'his [@] .        / 
 511a 24 2050 1 2 B    12 1tre:mendously 'hard to 'under'stand . :p\/apers on / 
 511a 24 2050 1 1 B    12 1it# .                                              / 
 511a 24 2060 1 1 B    11 1but [@:] "^that was in f=act#                      / 
 511a 24 2070 1 1 B    11 1[d@] de"^b\/ated at 'some 'length#                 / 
 511a 24 2080 1 2 B    11 1and - . ^Wisson did ex!tremely 'well at that       / 
 511a 24 2080 1 1 B    11 1:m\/eeting#                                        / 
 511a 24 2090 1 1 B    11 1^he [@:] re"!t\urned us#                           / 
 511a 24 2100 1 1 B    11 1to the ^p\oint#                                    / 
 511a 24 2110 1 1 B    11 1which ^everybody in the :room . had for:g\otten# - / 
 511a 24 2120 1 1 B    11 1that ^really the !whole th\/ing was#               / 
 511a 25 2130 1 1 B    11 1to ^ease the :first year :l\/oad#                  / 
 511a 25 2140 1 2 B    11 1^and 'to [@:] con"tr\act the sp/an of the "Pl\ato  / 
 511a 25 2140 1 1 B    11 1com'mitment# - .                                   / 
 511a 25 2150 1 2 B    11 1[@:m] and ^that was what we were sup'posed to be   / 
 511a 25 2150 1 1 B    11 1"!d\oing#                                          / 
 511a 25 2160 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a 25 2170 1 1 B    11 1but we ^had the !f\irst 'half of the _meeting# .   / 
 511a 25 2180 1 1 B    11 1was ^taken 'up with :\arguing be_tween#            / 
 511a 26 2190 1 2 B    11 1^Trotholm and [@] . :Mondheim and all :th\at kind  / 
 511a 26 2190 1 1 B    11 1of _thing# .                                       / 
 511a 26 2200 1 1 B    11 1but we ^finally got 'round to s\/eeing 'that#      / 
 511a 26 2210 1 1 B    11 1but in . in "^d\/oing 'so#                         / 
 511a 26 2220 1 1 B    11 1we ^saw "wh\at# -                                  / 
 511a 26 2230 1 1 B    11 1^under 'Stalker`s :pl\an you 'see#                 / 
 511a 26 2240 1 1 a    11 1^y/\eah#                                           / 
 511a 26 2250 1 1 B    11 1we [w] went ^on ((in)) a :d\ifferent 'sense#       / 
 511a 27 2260 1 1 B    11 1but I ^think - . !his [? @:] :p\/aper#             / 
 511a 27 2270 1 1 B    11 1had ^not 'really :fully !s\een#                    / 
 511a 27 2280 1 2 B    11 1^what [@:] we :really :were sup!posed to be        / 
 511a 27 2280 1 1 B    11 1+!d\oing#                                          / 
 511a 27 2290 1 1 a    11 1+((^r\ight#                                        / 
 511a 27 2300 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#))+                                        / 
 511a 27 2310 1 1 B    11 1I mean+ ^most pr\/obably#                          / 
 511a 27 2320 1 1 B    11 1he ^wouldn`t have 'been too :h\/appy#              / 
 511a 27 2330 1 1 B    11 1^if he . "!h\ad ad'dressed him*'self ((to 'that#))*/ 
 511a 27 2340 1 1 a    11 1*^r\ight# .                                        / 
 511a 27 2350 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#* .                                         / 
 511a 27 2360 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# .                                          / 
 511a 28 2370 1 1 B    11 1^my im'pression \/is#                              / 
 511a 28 2380 1 1 B    11 1that ^if we can :find a a :good "!sch\eme n/ow#    / 
 511a 28 2390 1 1 B    11 1and ^time`s 'running \out#                         / 
 511a 28 2400 1 2 B    11 1we ^really "!m\/ust get it con"!!cl\uded           / 
 511a 28 2400 1 1 B    11 1:{^m\ustn`t we#}#                                  / 
 511a 28 2410 1 1 B    11 1^cos I m=ean# .                                    / 
 511a 28 2420 1 1 B    11 1((it`s)) ^all for :next !s\ession#                 / 
 511a 28 2430 1 1 B    11 1^/\isn`t it#                                       / 
 511a 28 2440 1 1 a    11 1^Chr/\ist#                                         / 
 511a 28 2450 1 1 a    11 1^y\es# -                                           / 
 511a 28 2460 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] - they ^should be all r/\ight# - -           / 
 511a 28 2470 1 1 B    11 1so ^that`s th\at# .                                / 
 511a 29 2480 1 2 a    11 1^will 'Stalker be in:v\olved in the Pl/ato         / 
 511a 29 2480 1 1 a    11 1'teaching#                                         / 
 511a 29 2490 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 29 2500 1 1 B    11 1I ^th\ink so#                                      / 
 511a 29 2510 1 1 a    11 1be^cause - !that was an'other :\issue#             / 
 511a 29 2520 1 1 a    11 1^w\asn`t it#                                       / 
 511a 29 2530 1 2 a    11 1that . that ^Stalker had :asked to become 'more of / 
 511a 29 2530 1 1 a    11 1a 'medi\evalist#                                   / 
 511a 29 2540 1 1 a    20 1+((1 to 2 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 29 2550 1 1 B    11 1+^that`s "!tr\ue#+ .                               / 
 511a 29 2560 1 2 B    11 1[@:] he ^has been 'asked to to :take over the      / 
 511a 29 2560 1 1 B    11 1:Tudor ":c\ourse# .                                / 
 511a 30 2570 1 1 B    11 1to ^be re'sponsible for this :new "!\option# .     / 
 511a 30 2580 1 1 a    11 1^y/eah# -                                          / 
 511a 30 2590 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] . ^quite 'how :much 'further 'back in :t\ime#/ 
 511a 30 2600 1 1 B    11 1he`s ^going to com!m\/it himself#                  / 
 511a 30 2610 1 1 B    11 1^is at the *:moment not !cl\ear#*                  / 
 511a 30 2620 1 1 a    11 1*he`s ^not coming :in on the* :B\acon#             / 
 511a 30 2630 1 1 B    11 1^I don`t :kn\/ow a'bout 'that {I`m a^fr/aid#}#     / 
 511a 31 2640 1 1 B    11 1I`m ^not 'absolutely cl\ear#                       / 
 511a 31 2650 1 1 B    11 1^what his [@:] :mode of oper'ation`s going to :b\e#/ 
 511a 31 2660 1 2 B    11 1but he ^certainly will have !Tudor and :Plato [?   / 
 511a 31 2660 1 1 B    11 1@:] com:m\itments# - .                             / 
 511a 31 2670 1 1 B    20 1[@:m]                                              / 
 511a 31 2680 1 2 a    12 1^is he [?] do you ^know if he 'happens to be :\/in / 
 511a 31 2680 1 1 a    12 1today# -                                           / 
 511a 31 2690 1 1 B    11 1I ^don`t . *. th\ink so#*                          / 
 511a 31 2700 1 1 a    11 1*what ^d\ay is it#*                                / 
 511a 31 2710 1 1 a    11 1^Fr\iday# .                                        / 
 511a 32 2720 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 32 2730 1 1 B    11 1+I ^don`t+ th\ink so#                              / 
 511a 32 2740 1 1 B    11 1((I mean)) he`s ^not often !\/in you see#          / 
 511a 32 2750 1 1 B    11 1^that`s !h\/is trouble#                            / 
 511a 32 2760 1 1 B    11 1he`s ^always a:w\ay#                               / 
 511a 32 2770 1 1 a    11 1^[\m]# -                                           / 
 511a 32 2780 1 1 a    11 1*^y=eah#*                                          / 
 511a 32 2790 1 1 B    11 1you ^s/ee#                                         / 
 511a 32 2800 1 1 B    11 1and I *^mean* he !draws up his sch/emes#           / 
 511a 32 2810 1 2 B    11 1and ^often he`s _out of _touch with _what`s going  / 
 511a 32 2810 1 1 B    11 1+!\on#                                             / 
 511a 32 2820 1 1 B    11 1and ^th\at kind of 'thing#+                        / 
 511a 33 2830 1 1 a    11 1+^r\ight#                                          / 
 511a 33 2840 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a 33 2850 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#+                                          / 
 511a 33 2860 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight# - -                                       / 
 511a 33 2870 1 1 a    20 1*((3 to 4 sylls))*                                 / 
 511a 33 2880 1 1 B    11 1^how\ever#                                         / 
 511a 33 2890 1 1 B    11 1as ^far as *!\I can make /out#*                    / 
 511a 33 2900 1 1 B    11 1he`s in ^quite a g/ood frame of {^m/ind#}#         / 
 511a 33 2910 1 1 B    11 1and he ^\ought#                                    / 
 511a 33 2920 1 1 B    11 1des^pite being [@] !\/irritating a'bout it#        / 
 511a 33 2930 1 2 B    11 1he ^ought to con'sider ((that)) his [@:m] - :point / 
 511a 33 2930 1 1 B    11 1was !t\aken#                                       / 
 511a 33 2940 1 1 B    11 1over the ^sessional *r/\ow#*                       / 
 511a 33 2950 1 1 a    11 1*"^r\ight#;.*;                                     / 
 511a 33 2960 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight# .                                         / 
 511a 33 2970 1 1 a    11 1+^r\ight# .                                        / 
 511a 33 2980 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 34 2990 1 1 a    11 1^fair en\ough#+                                    / 
 511a 34 3000 1 1 B    11 1+he ^certainly !ought to con'sider th\/at#+ -      / 
 511a 34 3010 1 1 a    11 1^w=ell# .                                          / 
 511a 34 3020 1 1 a    20 1*you*                                              / 
 511a 34 3030 1 1 B    12 1*we`ve* ^had rather [@:] - . ^y\/ou know#          / 
 511a 34 3040 1 2 B    11 1with^out giving !too much a:w\ay to ((3 to 4       / 
 511a 34 3040 1 1 B    11 1sylls))#                                           / 
 511a 34 3050 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# .                                          / 
 511a 34 3060 1 2 a    11 1well he`s ^got a !{v\ery good 'bloke} :doing it    / 
 511a 34 3060 1 1 a    11 1:n\/ow# .                                          / 
 511a 34 3070 1 1 a    11 1I ^m=ean#                                          / 
 511a 35 3080 1 1 a    11 1^doing this :\/organizing#                         / 
 511a 35 3090 1 1 a    11 1^Godfrey C\ampion# .                               / 
 511a 35 3100 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ((now)) ^my o'pinion of 'him goes \up# .      / 
 511a 35 3110 1 1 a    20 1+((2 to 3 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 35 3120 1 2 B    11 1well he ^made a :good 'job +of _that [@:]+ :sch\ool/ 
 511a 35 3120 1 1 B    11 1teachers` 'thing#                                  / 
 511a 35 3130 1 1 a    11 1^d\idn`t he# -                                     / 
 511a 35 3140 1 1 a    11 1^d\idn`t he#                                       / 
 511a 35 3150 1 1 a    11 1^I thought he ((was v\ery 'good#))                 / 
 511a 35 3160 1 1 B    11 1^y=es#                                             / 
 511a 35 3170 1 1 B    11 1well ^that`s his b\/est thing#                     / 
 511a 35 3180 1 1 B    11 1^that *and* getting 'on with :st\udents and 'so on#/ 
 511a 36 3190 1 1 a    11 1*^y\es#* - -                                       / 
 511a 36 3200 1 1 a    11 1^[=m]# - .                                         / 
 511a 36 3210 1 2 a    11 1[@:m] ^what`s 'his po:sition in the de:p\artment   / 
 511a 36 3210 1 1 a    11 1'now# -                                            / 
 511a 36 3220 1 1 B    11 1^as re!gards his !t/eaching#                       / 
 511a 36 3230 1 1 a    11 1[@] ^n\/o#                                         / 
 511a 36 3240 1 1 a    11 1his ^j\ob# -                                       / 
 511a 36 3250 1 1 B    11 1his ^wh/at#                                        / 
 511a 36 3260 1 1 a    11 1his ^j\ob# .                                       / 
 511a 36 3270 1 1 B    11 1^w=ell#                                            / 
 511a 36 3280 1 2 B    11 1he he`s ^going to be :m\/ainly re'sponsible for the/ 
 511a 36 3280 1 1 B    11 1Pl\ato#                                            / 
 511a 37 3290 1 1 a    11 1[?@] ^n/o#                                         / 
 511a 37 3300 1 1 a    11 1^s\/orry# -                                        / 
 511a 37 3310 1 1 a    11 1^t\enure# -                                        / 
 511a 37 3320 1 1 B    11 1^\oh#                                              / 
 511a 37 3330 1 1 B    11 1he`s a he`s ^now !t\enured# - -                    / 
 511a 37 3340 1 1 B    11 1we ^put in a pl\/ea#                               / 
 511a 37 3350 1 1 B    11 1^intake related pl\ea#                             / 
 511a 37 3360 1 1 B    21 1to ^make him - - -                                 / 
 511a 37 3370 1 1 a    11 1^g\ood#                                            / 
 511a 37 3380 1 2 B    11 1to ^give him a a a !full-_time - . !permanent      / 
 511a 37 3380 1 1 B    11 1!l\ecture+ship#+                                   / 
 511a 37 3390 1 1 a    11 1+^g\ood#+                                          / 
 511a 37 3400 1 1 B    11 1and ^that we ac:c\epted# .                         / 
 511a 37 3410 1 1 B    11 1so ^h\/is . tra'vail`s#                            / 
 511a 38 3420 1 1 B    11 1at an "^/\end#                                     / 
 511a 38 3430 1 1 a    11 1^g\ood# -                                          / 
 511a 38 3440 1 1 B    11 1I ^m=ean#                                          / 
 511a 38 3450 1 1 B    11 1the "^d\/oubts a'bout him#                         / 
 511a 38 3460 1 1 B    11 1^no doubt - 'do ex!\ist#                           / 
 511a 38 3470 1 1 B    11 1but [@:] there`s ^no . d/\oubt a'bout#             / 
 511a 38 3480 1 1 B    11 1^c\ertain of his *((ab/ilities))#*                 / 
 511a 38 3490 1 1 a    11 1*^y/\es#*                                          / 
 511a 38 3500 1 1 a    11 1^qu\ite#                                           / 
 511a 38 3510 1 1 a    11 1^qu\ite# -                                         / 
 511a 38 3520 1 1 B    20 1+[@:m]+                                            / 
 511a 38 3530 1 1 a    11 1+^and+ his spr/\ead# .                             / 
 511a 38 3540 1 1 a    11 1^y\/ou know# .                                     / 
 511a 39 3550 1 1 a    12 1[@:] ^he ^he !r\/eally ex_tends#                   / 
 511a 39 3560 1 1 a    11 1from ^Plato !right up to Am/erican 'phil#          / 
 511a 39 3570 1 1 a    11 1((and)) con^temporary =English 'phil#              / 
 511a 39 3580 1 1 a    11 1and ^s\o on# .                                     / 
 511a 39 3590 1 1 a    11 1+(("^dr/ama#))+                                    / 
 511a 39 3600 1 2 B    11 1+^funny 'thing+ a'bout this ((year)) was 'when he  / 
 511a 39 3600 1 1 B    11 1'got !t\enure# -                                   / 
 511a 39 3610 1 1 B    11 1((cos ^1 syll)) was a :very :nice :g\uy#           / 
 511a 39 3620 1 1 B    11 1who was ^always [@:] . 'doing */everything#        / 
 511a 39 3630 1 1 a    11 1*^sorry I didn`t c/atch 'that#*                    / 
 511a 40 3640 1 2 B    11 1((2 to 3 sylls)) ^very* very co:oper'ative [@:] .  / 
 511a 40 3640 1 1 B    11 1:worried :g\uy# -                                  / 
 511a 40 3650 1 1 B    11 1[@:] the ^f\irst thing he _did#                    / 
 511a 40 3660 1 1 B    11 1was . re^fuse to !take \on#                        / 
 511a 40 3670 1 1 B    11 1the as^sistant [@] 'depart'mental :t\utorship#     / 
 511a 40 3680 1 1 B    11 1(laughs - - ) ^point bl/\ank# -                    / 
 511a 40 3690 1 1 B    11 1I ^m=ean [@:]# -                                   / 
 511a 40 3700 1 1 B    20 1+it it was a                                       / 
 511a 40 3710 1 1 a    20 1+(laughs - - )+                                    / 
 511a 40 3720 2 1 B    22 1it was a ^bit of a+ !change of [@] -               / 
 511a 40 3730 1 1 a    11 1^y=es#                                             / 
 511a 41 3720 1 1(B    12 1of ^t\/one there#                                  / 
 511a 41 3740 1 1 a    20 1(laughs - - . ) .                                  / 
 511a 41 3750 1 2 B    11 1there ^is a 'thing that I :m\ight just m/\ention to/ 
 511a 41 3750 1 1 B    11 1you#                                               / 
 511a 41 3760 1 3 B    12 1I`m [w@] I`m a ^bit "w/\orried a'bout ((2 to 3     / 
 511a 41 3760 1 2 B    12 1sylls)) ^I don`t 'want to in"v/\olve you in ((it)) / 
 511a 41 3760 1 1 B    12 1n/ow# -                                            / 
 511a 41 3770 1 1 B    11 1*. ((it`s your)) "^st\udy 'leave#*                 / 
 511a 41 3780 1 1 a    11 1*^n\o but#                                         / 
 511a 41 3790 1 1 a    11 1((I`d ^like)) to be* :kept up to d/ate#            / 
 511a 41 3800 1 1 a    20 1+((4 to 6 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 42 3810 1 1 B    11 1+all ^r\ight# .                                    / 
 511a 42 3820 1 1 B    12 1well as+ ^soon as I`ve [st@?] - ^r\ight# .         / 
 511a 42 3830 1 1 a    11 1*^[\m]# .                                          / 
 511a 42 3840 1 1 a    11 1^[\m]#*                                            / 
 511a 42 3850 1 2 B    11 1*[@] you . [@:m]* . be^cause I !do want your       / 
 511a 42 3850 1 1 B    11 1h/\elp#                                            / 
 511a 42 3860 1 1 B    11 1[@:] and to ^see that we`re :getting it :r\ight#   / 
 511a 42 3870 1 1 B    11 1because there ^isn`t 'much :t\/ime for 'that#      / 
 511a 42 3880 1 1 a    11 1^n\o#                                              / 
 511a 42 3890 1 1 B    11 1and . ^Campion 'has sub:mitted a a !first ":p\aper#/ 
 511a 43 3900 1 1 B    11 1+. on the ^views+ of that :l\etter# -              / 
 511a 43 3910 1 1 II   20 1+(telephone rings - )+                             / 
 511a 43 3920 1 1 a    11 1*((ex^cuse)) me !one m\oment#*                     / 
 511a 43 3930 1 1 B    11 1*do you ^want me to go* \out#                      / 
 511a 43 3940 1 1 a    11 1"^no no 'no no n\o# -                              / 
 511a 43 3950 1 1 a    20 1(speaks on telephone - - - ) - -                   / 
 511a 43 3960 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] I`ll ^st\udy th/at# .                        / 
 511a 43 3970 1 1 B    11 1and ^keep you [@:] . p\osted#                      / 
 511a 43 3980 1 1 B    11 1because I ^d\o think it imp/ortant#                / 
 511a 44 3990 1 2 B    11 1es^pecially 'now that you`re - :more or less       / 
 511a 44 3990 1 1 B    11 1"!b\ack here# .                                    / 
 511a 44 4000 1 1 a    11 1^[\m]#                                             / 
 511a 44 4010 1 2 B    11 1for ^you to _be [? @:] 'looking !\after 'all       / 
 511a 44 4010 1 1 B    11 1'this# -                                           / 
 511a 44 4020 1 1 B    11 1as ^well as :m\e#                                  / 
 511a 44 4030 1 1 B    21 1be^cause - -                                       / 
 511a 44 4040 1 1 a    11 1^w/ell#                                            / 
 511a 44 4050 1 1 a    11 1((^two *can do th\is#))*                           / 
 511a 44 4060 1 1 B    11 1*I ^haven`t 'felt* !h\appy a'bout#                 / 
 511a 44 4070 1 1 B    11 1the ^way it`s :g\one [@:] r/ecently#               / 
 511a 44 4080 1 2 B    11 1al^though there are !no spe'cific 'reasons . for   / 
 511a 44 4080 1 1 B    11 1al/\arm#                                           / 
 511a 45 4090 1 1 B    11 1as ^far as /I can 'see#                            / 
 511a 45 4100 1 1 B    11 1in ^fact you could !\/even 'say#                   / 
 511a 45 4110 1 1 B    11 1it ^seems to be 'going all !r\ight#                / 
 511a 45 4120 1 1 a    11 1it ^seems to !me +f/\ine#+                         / 
 511a 45 4130 1 1 B    11 1+but+ I ^mean I !feel *[a] 'out of !t\ouch#        / 
 511a 45 4140 1 1 B    21 1with ^some of the*                                 / 
 511a 45 4150 1 2 a    11 1*I ^I`m not 'getting any* :b\/ack'draught [@:] of  / 
 511a 45 4150 1 1 a    11 1+'anything#+                                       / 
 511a 46 4160 1 1 B    11 1+^[\m]#+                                           / 
 511a 46 4170 1 1 B    11 1well ^that l\/etter I 'sent 'round#                / 
 511a 46 4180 1 1 B    11 1was per^haps a 'little un":g\uarded# -             / 
 511a 46 4190 1 1 B    11 1I ^sent it 'round de!l\/iberately#                 / 
 511a 46 4200 1 2 B    11 1to ^stop [@:] con!clusions a'bout ((the)) tu'torial/ 
 511a 46 4200 1 1 B    11 1as:s\essment#                                      / 
 511a 46 4210 1 2 B    11 1and and to the ex^tent of . [m] :making ((it))     / 
 511a 46 4210 1 1 B    11 1:cl\ear#                                           / 
 511a 46 4220 1 2 B    11 1that ^things had !not been :right in the !p\ast in / 
 511a 46 4220 1 1 B    11 1m/y view# -                                        / 
 511a 46 4230 1 2 B    11 1and that ^if they [w] "!{w\orry a'bout} the        / 
 511a 46 4230 1 1 B    11 1"!w\/eighting#                                     / 
 511a 47 4240 1 1 B    11 1they should ^also m\aybe w/orry#                   / 
 511a 47 4250 1 2 B    11 1and ^this is what !Quantocks is now :pr\/essing    / 
 511a 47 4250 1 1 B    11 1'for# -                                            / 
 511a 47 4260 1 1 B    11 1^worry about the _whole "!m\ark# .                 / 
 511a 47 4270 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight# - -                                       / 
 511a 47 4280 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#*                                          / 
 511a 47 4290 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 47 4300 1 2 B    11 1I mean ^not just [dhi:] the :question of *[@:]     / 
 511a 47 4300 1 1 B    11 1!how* it`s "!w\eighted# .                          / 
 511a 47 4310 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# -                                          / 
 511a 47 4320 1 1 a    11 1and ^have \/every'body#                            / 
 511a 47 4330 1 1 a    11 1in "^l/\ine about it# .                            / 
 511a 47 4340 1 1 a    11 1^so that _there`s +there`s a . !common "!p\olicy#+ / 
 511a 48 4350 1 1 B    11 1+^th/at`s right#                                   / 
 511a 48 4360 1 1 B    11 1so [?] ^\oh#                                       / 
 511a 48 4370 1 1 B    11 1((^y\es#)) .                                       / 
 511a 48 4380 1 1 B    12 1the+ "^f\/irst 'thing that 'came you ^s\ee# .      / 
 511a 48 4390 1 1 B    11 1^Donald !puts his :v\iew that [@:]# .              / 
 511a 48 4400 1 1 B    22 1if ^we`re to [r @:] ^try to :work *((1 syll))*     / 
 511a 48 4410 1 1 a    11 1*^wh\/o* 'puts his 'view# .                        / 
 511a 48 4420 1 1 B    11 1[? @] ^Qu\antocks# .                               / 
 511a 48 4430 1 1 a    11 1+^y/eah#+                                          / 
 511a 49 4440 1 1 B    11 1+"^n\on+-stop th/ing#                              / 
 511a 49 4450 1 1 B    11 1in ^which you "!ch\allenge the 'mark#              / 
 511a 49 4460 1 1 B    11 1at a ^late st\/age#                                / 
 511a 49 4470 1 1 B    11 1[@:] ((at a)) ^departmental m/eeting#              / 
 511a 49 4480 1 1 B    11 1^this was 'likely to 'be un!j\ust# .               / 
 511a 49 4490 1 1 B    11 1be^cause y\/ou know#                               / 
 511a 49 4500 1 1 B    11 1^wh\o would be th/ere#                             / 
 511a 49 4510 1 1 B    11 1and ^all th\at# - -                                / 
 511a 49 4520 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] . ^w\ell#                                    / 
 511a 49 4530 1 1 B    11 1at ^\any 'time#                                    / 
 511a 49 4540 1 2 B    11 1so ((we)) ^reached a 'rather :un'just !mark        / 
 511a 49 4540 1 1 B    11 1!\anyway#                                          / 
 511a 49 4550 1 1 B    11 1because ^people like M\/ondheim#                   / 
 511a 50 4560 1 2 B    11 1were ^giving . [m] _marks to 'people on the 'basis / 
 511a 50 4560 1 1 B    11 1of [@:] 'cheering them \up#                        / 
 511a 50 4570 1 1 B    20 1and *((6 to 8 sylls))*                             / 
 511a 50 4580 1 1 a    11 1*^quite qu\ite#                                    / 
 511a 50 4590 1 1 a    11 1^qu\ite#*                                          / 
 511a 50 4600 1 1 a    12 1^this - "^y\eah#                                   / 
 511a 50 4610 1 1 B    20 1+((6 to 8 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 50 4620 1 1 a    12 1+and ^this ^this is !!strongly /\argued#           / 
 511a 50 4630 1 1 a    11 1^/over+ the y\ears#                                / 
 511a 50 4640 1 1 a    11 1^{/oh} "y/\es#                                     / 
 511a 50 4650 1 1 a    11 1*I mean ^not ((merely))* [@] adm/itting it#        / 
 511a 50 4660 1 1 B    11 1*^y\eah# .                                         / 
 511a 50 4670 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah#* -                                         / 
 511a 50 4680 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 51 4690 1 2 a    11 1and there there it ^there`s a j/\ustifi'cation     / 
 511a 51 4690 1 1 a    11 1+'for it#                                          / 
 511a 51 4700 1 1 a    11 1you ^kn/ow#+                                       / 
 511a 51 4710 1 1 B    11 1+^y\es#                                            / 
 511a 51 4720 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 51 4730 1 1 B    12 1you+ can ^see the ^see the *:p\oint#*              / 
 511a 51 4740 1 1 a    12 1*but* [@] the ^[dhi: . dhi:] . the ^th\ing /is#    / 
 511a 51 4750 1 1 a    11 1that . "^with 'bringing /in#                       / 
 511a 51 4760 1 1 a    11 1this e^lev_enth m/ark#                             / 
 511a 51 4770 1 1 a    11 1^on our . [@:m] !f\iles as'sessment# .             / 
 511a 51 4780 1 1 a    11 1we`ve "^never gone b/ack#                          / 
 511a 52 4790 1 1 a    11 1and ^properly !re!v\iewed# .                       / 
 511a 52 4800 1 1 a    11 1the ^nature of tu!t\/orial 'marks#                 / 
 511a 52 4810 1 2 a    11 1and ^therefore . !whence we de"r/\ive the e'leventh/ 
 511a 52 4810 1 1 a    11 1'mark# -                                           / 
 511a 52 4820 1 2 a    11 1and ^so _there`s there`s _been this "gh/\astly     / 
 511a 52 4820 1 1 a    11 1j/ob#                                              / 
 511a 52 4830 1 1 a    11 1of ^reinter!pr\eting#                              / 
 511a 52 4840 1 1 a    11 1^all these 'bloody '[tju:] 'tutor`s m\arks# -      / 
 511a 52 4850 1 1 a    11 1I ^m=ean#                                          / 
 511a 52 4860 1 1 a    11 1it`s "^bad en\/ough# -                             / 
 511a 52 4870 1 1 a    11 1^but in!\/evitable# -                              / 
 511a 52 4880 1 1 a    11 1that ^two !t\/utors# .                             / 
 511a 52 4890 1 1 a    11 1would ^have a !different as:s\essment#             / 
 511a 53 4900 1 1 a    11 1on the ^same !p\upil#                              / 
 511a 53 4910 1 2 a    11 1but pro^vided they`re as'sessing on the 'same sort / 
 511a 53 4910 1 1 a    11 1of +"!b\asis#+                                     / 
 511a 53 4920 1 1 B    11 1+^pr\inc+iple :{^y\eah#}#                          / 
 511a 53 4930 1 1 a    11 1"^r\ight#                                          / 
 511a 53 4940 1 1 a    20 1*((so that you 2 to 3 sylls))*                     / 
 511a 53 4950 1 1 B    11 1*^y\eah#                                           / 
 511a 53 4960 1 1 B    11 1well ^actually the* :point of that +:l\/etter#     / 
 511a 53 4970 1 1 a    11 1+^r\ight#                                          / 
 511a 53 4980 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#+                                           / 
 511a 53 4990 1 1 B    11 1was ^simply+ to s/ay#                              / 
 511a 53 5000 1 1 B    11 1that ^people should 'give real !m\arks#            / 
 511a 54 5010 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#*                                          / 
 511a 54 5020 1 1 B    11 1*((and))* ^not [@:] . :p\astoral +'marks#          / 
 511a 54 5030 1 1 B    11 1or . ^y\/ou 'know#+                                / 
 511a 54 5040 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah# .                                         / 
 511a 54 5050 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight# .                                         / 
 511a 54 5060 1 1 a    11 1"^r\ight#+                                         / 
 511a 54 5070 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a 54 5080 2 2 a    24 1^they can "!cheer them they can ^cheer their       / 
 511a 54 5080 2 1 a    24 1'students :up in \other *_ways ^than ^than [@]*    / 
 511a 54 5090 1 1 B    11 1*^y\eah#                                           / 
 511a 54 5100 1 1 B    11 1^th\at`s* right#                                   / 
 511a 54 5110 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 55 5080 1 1(a    14 1'giving a m\ark#                                   / 
 511a 55 5120 1 2 B    12 1[@] I ^think that [@] !that was :j/ust [?] - ^that / 
 511a 55 5120 1 1 B    12 1came /up#                                          / 
 511a 55 5130 1 1 B    11 1you see I ^didn`t want to have and s\o on#         / 
 511a 55 5140 1 1 B    11 1[@] there "^is a a a "!c\urrent _difficulty#       / 
 511a 55 5150 1 1 B    11 1which has [@] ^\irritated _me#                     / 
 511a 55 5160 1 1 B    11 1there`s a ^l\/etter 'here#                         / 
 511a 55 5170 1 1 B    11 1which I ^won`t sh\/ow you#                         / 
 511a 55 5180 1 1 B    11 1un^less you 'want to :r\ead it#                    / 
 511a 55 5190 1 1 B    11 1from ^half a 'dozen or :ten "!st\udents# -         / 
 511a 55 5200 1 1 B    12 1[@] who ^sat [dhi: @] - the ro^m\antics 'paper# -  / 
 511a 56 5210 1 1 B    11 1^these are 'all kind of [@:] . :femin\istical#     / 
 511a 56 5220 1 1 B    11 1ad^{v\anced 'type} !st\udents#                     / 
 511a 56 5230 1 1 B    11 1^who . !took a !c\ourse#                           / 
 511a 56 5240 1 1 B    11 1from that ^{w\oman [@]} . :Carol !S\anksh# -       / 
 511a 56 5250 1 1 B    11 1which was ^given with!{\out} :cl\earance#          / 
 511a 56 5260 1 2 B    12 1from [@:?] . from the ^other [k] ((her)) ^((other))/ 
 511a 56 5260 1 1 B    12 1!c\olleagues#                                      / 
 511a 56 5270 1 1 B    11 1a^part from the !course co!\/ordinator# .          / 
 511a 56 5280 1 2 B    11 1[@:] at the ^time ((when a_bout)) the ro:mantics   / 
 511a 56 5280 1 1 B    11 1[w] were :last !t\aught#                           / 
 511a 57 5290 1 1 B    11 1((which was the)) ^time but !\one# - -             / 
 511a 57 5300 1 1 B    11 1[@:] ^they had a :course on ":w\omen#              / 
 511a 57 5310 1 1 B    11 1in the Ro^m\antic 'period#                         / 
 511a 57 5320 1 1 B    11 1((or)) ^something like th\at you see#              / 
 511a 57 5330 1 1 B    11 1^th\at kind of thing#                              / 
 511a 57 5340 1 1 B    11 1well ^I don`t ap":pr\ove of 'that#                 / 
 511a 57 5350 1 1 B    11 1[ae] as a . ^subject for a c=ourse#                / 
 511a 57 5360 1 1 B    11 1but ^how\ever#                                     / 
 511a 57 5370 1 1 B    11 1it was "^m/ounted#                                 / 
 511a 57 5380 1 2 B    12 1and ^Carol 'did it ((several sylls)) and of ^course/ 
 511a 57 5380 1 1 B    12 1I ac!c\epted it# -                                 / 
 511a 58 5390 1 1 B    11 1well there ^wasn`t a :qu\/estion 'saying#          / 
 511a 58 5400 1 2 B    11 1[hn] ^how a'bout :{w\omen} in the Ro!m\antic       / 
 511a 58 5400 1 1 B    11 1'period 'there#                                    / 
 511a 58 5410 1 1 B    11 1and there`s ^this of"{f\ensive} "l\/etter you 'see#/ 
 511a 58 5420 1 1 B    11 1^s=aying 'how# -                                   / 
 511a 58 5430 1 1 B    11 1[@] ^this is dis:gr\aceful#                        / 
 511a 58 5440 1 2 B    12 1and ((^demon'strates de'grees are)) - well the     / 
 511a 58 5440 1 1 B    12 1"^f\irst answer /is#                               / 
 511a 58 5450 1 2 B    11 1that ^if you !w\anted to 'write on th/at           / 
 511a 58 5450 1 1 B    11 1'subject# -                                        / 
 511a 59 5460 1 1 B    11 1there were ^three or "!!f\our questions#           / 
 511a 59 5470 1 1 a    11 1*"^r\ight# .                                       / 
 511a 59 5480 1 1 a    11 1I`m "^s\ure there 'must have been#                 / 
 511a 59 5490 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a 59 5500 1 1 B    11 1*^you could ((have !\used#))                       / 
 511a 59 5510 1 1 B    11 1( - giggles) ^well there w/\ere#                   / 
 511a 59 5520 1 1 B    11 1^some of them* !d\id#                              / 
 511a 59 5530 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#*                                           / 
 511a 59 5540 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 59 5550 1 1 B    11 1[@] and [@] ^\also#                                / 
 511a 59 5560 1 1 B    11 1I [?] I [?] . I`ve been ^t\old by 'Langendaen#     / 
 511a 60 5570 1 1 B    11 1I must ^write a - :{k\indly} :\answer#             / 
 511a 60 5580 1 1 B    11 1^s=aying [@:]# - .                                 / 
 511a 60 5590 1 1 B    11 1^you`re !{s\o} :r\ight#                            / 
 511a 60 5600 1 1 B    11 1and [? @:] +but [@:] I ^don`t ap:pr\ove of 'that#  / 
 511a 60 5610 1 1 B    11 1at ^\all#+                                         / 
 511a 60 5620 1 1 a    11 1+^n\o# .                                           / 
 511a 60 5630 1 2 a    13 1^that you((`ve)) ^[s@:t] you can ^write a :kindly+ / 
 511a 60 5630 1 1 a    13 1:\answer#                                          / 
 511a 60 5640 1 1 a    11 1with^out saying 'you`re so :r\ight# - .            / 
 511a 60 5650 1 2 a    12 1[@:m @] ^you ^you must "!{n\ever} say :th\at       / 
 511a 60 5650 1 1 a    12 1*Ralph#                                            / 
 511a 61 5660 1 1 a    20 1((6 to 8 sylls))*                                  / 
 511a 61 5670 1 1 B    11 1*^n\o#                                             / 
 511a 61 5680 1 1 B    13 1well ^I ^I`m not I`m ^p\/ara'phrasing* 'Bill#      / 
 511a 61 5690 1 1 B    11 1+^he wouldn`t ac:c\ept#                            / 
 511a 61 5700 1 2 B    11 1that we ^should ((!necessarily be :3 sylls)) give  / 
 511a 61 5700 1 1 B    11 1'in to their !\arguments#+                         / 
 511a 61 5710 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah# .                                         / 
 511a 61 5720 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# -                                          / 
 511a 61 5730 1 1 a    11 1^n\o# - -                                          / 
 511a 61 5740 1 1 a    11 1^n\o#+                                             / 
 511a 61 5750 1 1 B    12 1^I think just ^think they`re !wr/\ong#             / 
 511a 62 5760 1 1 a    11 1*^[\m]#*                                           / 
 511a 62 5770 1 1 B    11 1now ^why *should* th\ey 'write#                    / 
 511a 62 5780 1 1 B    11 1^saying 'what the :qu\estions should +'be#;.+;     / 
 511a 62 5790 1 1 B    11 1^\any'way#                                         / 
 511a 62 5800 1 1 a    11 1+^[\m]#                                            / 
 511a 62 5810 1 1 a    11 1^[\m]#+ -                                          / 
 511a 62 5820 1 1 a    11 1^\abso'lutely#                                     / 
 511a 62 5830 1 1 a    20 1*((2 sylls))*                                      / 
 511a 62 5840 1 1 B    11 1*I ^m\ean# .                                       / 
 511a 62 5850 1 2 B    12 1^if* they ^if they`d :made a :study of a !major    / 
 511a 62 5850 1 1 B    12 1!w\ork th/ere# .                                   / 
 511a 62 5860 1 2 B    12 1and ^there was !no way of '[rek@g] . ^no way at    / 
 511a 62 5860 1 1 B    12 1"/\all#                                            / 
 511a 62 5870 1 1 B    11 1of ^wr\/iting *a'bout* it#                         / 
 511a 63 5880 1 1 B    11 1^that would 'be a :different +!st\ory#+            / 
 511a 63 5890 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#* -                                        / 
 511a 63 5900 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 63 5910 1 1 B    20 1and I believe *that`s ((1 to 2 sylls))*            / 
 511a 63 5920 1 1 a    11 1*^no 'question on* :R\ousseau or 'something#       / 
 511a 63 5930 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 63 5940 1 1 B    11 1+^th\at`s+ right#                                  / 
 511a 63 5950 1 1 B    20 1[dhae]                                             / 
 511a 63 5960 1 1 a    11 1*^[\m]#*                                           / 
 511a 63 5970 1 1 B    11 1^that`s come *!\up* {with ^Sch\elling#}# .         / 
 511a 64 5980 1 2 B    11 1in an ^\earlier 'paper - {^by the w\ay#} - {^this  / 
 511a 64 5980 1 1 B    11 1y=ear#}# - .                                       / 
 511a 64 5990 1 1 B    11 1^Cedric has 'had a . com:pl\aint# .                / 
 511a 64 6000 1 1 B    11 1^relative to +((Sch\elling#))+                     / 
 511a 64 6010 1 1 a    11 1+there was ^no+ _question on _Sch\elling#          / 
 511a 64 6020 1 1 B    11 1^not a :pr\oper 'one#                              / 
 511a 64 6030 1 1 B    11 1^s\omething like 'that#                            / 
 511a 64 6040 1 1 a    11 1^J/\esus# .                                        / 
 511a 64 6050 1 1 a    11 1^th\at ((must have 'come as a surpr/ise#))         / 
 511a 65 6060 1 1 B    11 1that ^must be :not a :pr\oper 'one#                / 
 511a 65 6070 1 1 a    11 1*^[=m]#*                                           / 
 511a 65 6080 1 1 B    11 1^\anyway#                                          / 
 511a 65 6090 1 1 B    11 1^I *only* 'got it from him +((:v\/erbally#))+      / 
 511a 65 6100 1 1 a    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 65 6110 1 1 a    11 1^[=m]#                                             / 
 511a 65 6120 1 2 B    11 1[@:] but I ((^don`t think there`s :any)) !pr\oblem / 
 511a 65 6120 1 1 B    11 1on th/at#                                          / 
 511a 65 6130 1 1 B    11 1I`m *just* ^m\entioning it#                        / 
 511a 66 6140 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#* -                                        / 
 511a 66 6150 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# -                                          / 
 511a 66 6160 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] - ^\anyway#                                  / 
 511a 66 6170 1 1 B    11 1there`s ^th\at# -                                  / 
 511a 66 6180 1 2 B    12 1now ^what about this I`m ^worried a'bout this      / 
 511a 66 6180 1 1 B    12 1se:c\/urity 'thing#                                / 
 511a 66 6190 1 2 B    11 1I was dis^tressed that this :thing should have     / 
 511a 66 6190 1 1 B    11 1h/appened#                                         / 
 511a 66 6200 1 1 B    11 1when ^you were a!w\/ay#                            / 
 511a 66 6210 1 2 B    11 1((and)) it ^should have :happened to your [@:]     / 
 511a 66 6210 1 1 B    11 1!d\oor there# -                                    / 
 511a 66 6220 1 1 a    11 1^w\ell#                                            / 
 511a 66 6230 1 1 a    11 1I I "^w\asn`t a'way /actually#                     / 
 511a 67 6240 1 1 a    13 1^I ^I was - ^w\ell#                                / 
 511a 67 6250 1 1 a    11 1^I was !back on :S\unday# -                        / 
 511a 67 6260 1 1 a    20 1+[@:m]+                                            / 
 511a 67 6270 1 2 B    11 1+^well+ I`m !talking about the ":pr\evious         / 
 511a 67 6270 1 1 B    11 1'break-in#                                         / 
 511a 67 6280 1 1 B    11 1^you weren`t *{h\ere}* !th\en#                     / 
 511a 67 6290 1 1 a    11 1*^s\ure#* .                                        / 
 511a 67 6300 1 1 a    11 1^th\/at`s right#                                   / 
 511a 67 6310 1 1 B    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 67 6320 1 2 a    11 1+be^cause+ !that was !only :v\andalism :{^w\asn`t  / 
 511a 67 6320 1 1 a    11 1it#}# - -                                          / 
 511a 67 6330 1 1 a    11 1there was ^{n\othing} :t\/aken#                    / 
 511a 67 6340 1 1 a    21 1there was ^no 'sign *that :we might have 'been*    / 
 511a 68 6350 1 1 B    11 1*^w\ell# .                                         / 
 511a 68 6360 1 2 B    11 1we`ve ^not been 'able to* est/\ablish that         / 
 511a 68 6360 1 1 B    11 1'anything was :t/aken#                             / 
 511a 68 6370 1 1 B    11 1or ^=indeed#                                       / 
 511a 68 6380 1 1 B    11 1a^part from the door inter!f\ered with# .          / 
 511a 68 6390 1 1 a    11 1^n\o# -                                            / 
 511a 68 6400 1 1 B    11 1^b=ut [@:]# .                                      / 
 511a 68 6410 1 1 B    11 1we ^don`t !{kn/\ow} who :d\/id it# .               / 
 511a 68 6420 1 1 a    11 1^n\o# -                                            / 
 511a 69 6430 1 1 B    11 1you ^s=ee#                                         / 
 511a 69 6440 1 1 B    11 1the ^picture :\/is#                                / 
 511a 69 6450 1 2 B    11 1that there ^was a !nominalist 'society :p\arty     / 
 511a 69 6450 1 1 B    11 1h/ere#                                             / 
 511a 69 6460 1 1 B    11 1and a "^pl\ay was put /on# - -                     / 
 511a 69 6470 1 1 B    11 1"^several !st\/aff members were 'there#            / 
 511a 69 6480 1 1 B    11 1^two or :thr\ee of them# .                         / 
 511a 69 6490 1 1 B    11 1^no d/oubt# .                                      / 
 511a 69 6500 1 2 B    11 1^drinking a'long with :some of [dhi:] sur:v\/iving / 
 511a 69 6500 1 1 B    11 1'students#                                         / 
 511a 69 6510 1 1 B    11 1were ^here . until !l\ate# -                       / 
 511a 69 6520 1 2 B    11 1I ^mean !two or 'three in the !m\orning - -        / 
 511a 69 6520 1 1 B    11 1{^pr\obably#}# - -                                 / 
 511a 70 6530 1 1 B    11 1but ^that`s 'only 'just [?] . :g\ossip# - -        / 
 511a 70 6540 1 1 B    11 1^[/@:m]#                                           / 
 511a 70 6550 1 1 B    11 1^s\/o that# -                                      / 
 511a 70 6560 1 1 B    11 1^{pr\obably} un:til that !p\oint#                  / 
 511a 70 6570 1 1 B    11 1[@:] there ^were 'teachers a"r/\ound# -            / 
 511a 70 6580 1 1 B    11 1I ^haven`t 'heard any re:p/\orts a'bout#           / 
 511a 70 6590 1 1 B    12 1[@ ? @] . ^their 'witnessing any any ^br\/eakages# / 
 511a 70 6600 1 1 B    11 1but ^ones I !kn\/ew to be a'round#                 / 
 511a 70 6610 1 1 B    11 1[@:] with ^whom I`ve sp\/oken#                     / 
 511a 70 6620 1 1 B    11 1^didn`t 'seem to n\otice anything like 'that# .    / 
 511a 71 6630 1 1 B    11 1[~] - ^\anyway#                                    / 
 511a 71 6640 1 1 B    11 1^it it !{h\appened} in the :small !h\ours#         / 
 511a 71 6650 1 1 B    11 1it [?] ^m\/ust have 'happened#                     / 
 511a 71 6660 1 2 B    11 1^after !ten o`cl\ock {ac^cording to                / 
 511a 71 6660 1 1 B    11 1!Tr\otholm#}# - -                                  / 
 511a 71 6670 1 2 B    11 1[@:m] it ^may have been :one of these :students .  / 
 511a 71 6670 1 1 B    11 1"!dr\unk# - .                                      / 
 511a 71 6680 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] . ^either !possibly with a :g=irl#           / 
 511a 71 6690 1 1 B    11 1^coming down_stairs to . !have a !k\iss off her# . / 
 511a 71 6700 1 1 B    11 1^something of th\at kind# -                        / 
 511a 72 6710 1 1 B    11 1and ^dr\unkenly# .                                 / 
 511a 72 6720 1 1 B    11 1de^ciding :this might 'be a . 'possible !pl\ace# . / 
 511a 72 6730 1 1 B    11 1^{th\at might be} !\one expla'nation# -            / 
 511a 72 6740 1 2 B    11 1but ^I mean :I don`t "kn/\ow what the 'explanation / 
 511a 72 6740 1 1 B    11 1'is#                                               / 
 511a 72 6750 1 1 a    11 1^n\o#                                              / 
 511a 72 6760 1 1 B    21 1the ^only 'thing that`s . "!\odd a'bout +about+    / 
 511a 72 6770 1 1 a    11 1+they+ ^didn`t get !!\/in you 'know# -             / 
 511a 73 6780 1 1 B    11 1^didn`t get into :wh\at# .                         / 
 511a 73 6790 1 2 a    11 1[dh@n? dhi: ?] they [?] - there`s ^no 'evidence    / 
 511a 73 6790 1 1 a    11 1that [?] they they got "!\/into the 'office# - .   / 
 511a 73 6800 1 1 a    21 1they *^just . "!bashed*                            / 
 511a 73 6810 1 1 B    11 1*they ^broke the :outer* !d\/oor# .                / 
 511a 73 6820 1 1 B    11 1^did they n/ot# -                                  / 
 511a 73 6830 1 2 a    11 1^I thought they`d 'only b/ashed the p\anel         / 
 511a 73 6830 1 1 a    11 1'through# - -                                      / 
 511a 73 6840 1 1 B    11 1oh well ^I thought 'they got !\in#                 / 
 511a 74 6850 1 1 a    11 1^y=es#                                             / 
 511a 74 6860 1 1 a    12 1well it ^could`ve ^could`ve b\een#                 / 
 511a 74 6870 1 1 B    13 1well ^he the ^guy [?] you ^s=ee# - -               / 
 511a 74 6880 1 1 B    11 1^I didn`t 'call . the po:l\ice#                    / 
 511a 74 6890 1 2 B    11 1be^cause [@:m] . the 'man had 'started to "m\end   / 
 511a 74 6890 1 1 B    11 1it#                                                / 
 511a 74 6900 1 1 B    11 1by ^ten o`cl\/ock#                                 / 
 511a 74 6910 1 1 B    11 1or when^ever it *w/as#*                            / 
 511a 74 6920 1 1 a    11 1*^[=m]#*                                           / 
 511a 74 6930 1 1 B    11 1the ^following m\orning#                           / 
 511a 74 6940 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 75 6950 1 1 B    11 1when ^\I +got here#+                               / 
 511a 75 6960 1 2 a    11 1+well there+ was ^one 'busted in :{Ch\emistry      / 
 511a 75 6960 1 1 a    11 1de'partment} as *":w\ell#*                         / 
 511a 75 6970 1 1 B    11 1*I* ^y\eah#                                        / 
 511a 75 6980 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# .                                          / 
 511a 75 6990 1 1 B    12 1there ^[wo?] ^inci!d=entally#                      / 
 511a 75 7000 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] - ^I wasn`t !\at this 'party#                / 
 511a 75 7010 1 1 a    11 1^n\o# - - .                                        / 
 511a 75 7020 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] - the ^only . :point of :\/oddity 'is#       / 
 511a 76 7030 1 1 B    11 1that there ^was . !\/ample 'reason to sup{^p/ose#}#/ 
 511a 76 7040 1 1 B    11 1that a ^scr\ew-driver had been 'used# - -          / 
 511a 76 7050 1 1 B    11 1and of ^course 'breaking 'out a :d\oor# - -        / 
 511a 76 7060 1 1 B    11 1[@:m] which ^d\/oesn`t suggest#                    / 
 511a 76 7070 1 1 B    11 1^drunken !st\udents# - .                           / 
 511a 76 7080 1 2 B    21 1and ^then we _have this !break-in up_stairs *((3 to/ 
 511a 76 7080 1 1 B    21 14 sylls))*                                         / 
 511a 76 7090 1 1 a    11 1*^y\eah#                                           / 
 511a 76 7100 1 1 a    11 1now "^th/at`s* {the ^/one#}#                       / 
 511a 76 7110 1 1 a    11 1that ^I mean by se:c\urity#                        / 
 511a 76 7120 1 1 a    11 1you ^s=ee#                                         / 
 511a 76 7130 1 1 a    11 1the the "^odd 'drunken :v\/andal#                  / 
 511a 77 7140 1 2 a    12 1it ^doesn`t 'seem to :me that !you can . ^you can  / 
 511a 77 7140 1 1 a    12 1[@: - @ ?] !pr\ogramme f/or#                       / 
 511a 77 7150 1 1 B    11 1^[\m]#                                             / 
 511a 77 7160 1 1 a    11 1^and . in !\any c/ase# .                           / 
 511a 77 7170 1 1 a    11 1[i @: @] in ^th\is instance you s/ee# .            / 
 511a 77 7180 1 2 a    11 1there was "^definitely :nothing :stolen from       / 
 511a 77 7180 1 1 a    11 1!\us# .                                            / 
 511a 77 7190 1 2 a    11 1be^cause . [@ ?] our :people 'absolutely :scr\eened/ 
 511a 77 7190 1 1 a    11 1the the the th/ing# .                              / 
 511a 78 7200 1 1 B    20 1+((4 to 6 sylls))+                                 / 
 511a 78 7210 1 2 a    11 1+there ^wasn`t _even "anything+ dist/\urbed 'never / 
 511a 78 7210 1 1 a    11 1mind 'anything /else# .                            / 
 511a 78 7220 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 78 7230 1 1 a    11 1but . [@:m] ^this 'last week"/\end# - -            / 
 511a 78 7240 1 2 a    11 1[@:] was ^something "!!v\ery much more             / 
 511a 78 7240 1 1 a    11 1'serious# - .                                      / 
 511a 78 7250 1 2 a    12 1[@:m] - ^where . (clears throat . ) ((you))        / 
 511a 78 7250 1 1 a    12 1^kn/ow# .                                          / 
 511a 79 7260 1 1 a    11 1^people came :\in#                                 / 
 511a 79 7270 1 1 a    11 1and ^certainly in "y/\our 'office# - -             / 
 511a 79 7280 1 1 a    11 1[~] and in "^\/Ann`s 'office#                      / 
 511a 79 7290 1 1 B    11 1^y=eah# .                                          / 
 511a 79 7300 1 1 a    11 1[@ @:m] . a ^jimmy or 'something 'had been :\used# / 
 511a 79 7310 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#                                             / 
 511a 79 7320 1 1 B    11 1^that`s *r\ight#                                   / 
 511a 79 7330 1 1 B    11 1^y\es#*                                            / 
 511a 79 7340 1 1 a    11 1*and it* it is ^so app/\alling you s/ee that# .    / 
 511a 79 7350 1 1 a    11 1^the a!mount of "m/\oney st/olen# .                / 
 511a 79 7360 1 1 a    11 1was "^tr\ivial# - -                                / 
 511a 80 7370 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^but the a:mount of "!d\amage d/one#          / 
 511a 80 7380 1 1 a    11 1^must be a 'hundred "!qu\id`s worth# .             / 
 511a 80 7390 1 1 B    11 1^y\es# -                                           / 
 511a 80 7400 1 1 a    12 1[@:m] - - ^now in [a:xai] ^/\our c/ase#            / 
 511a 80 7410 1 1 a    11 1^down !h\ere# .                                    / 
 511a 80 7420 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^where !more !m\/oney was 'stolen#            / 
 511a 80 7430 1 1 a    11 1a^bout !five !qu\id - I th/ink# -                  / 
 511a 80 7440 1 2 a    11 1[@:m - @:?@] there was ^no !damage done at         / 
 511a 80 7440 1 1 a    11 1"/\all# -                                          / 
 511a 80 7450 1 1 a    12 1^they 'had :[dh dhi:] the ^ch/ap#                  / 
 511a 81 7460 1 1 a    21 1had ^obviously - [@:m +@+]                         / 
 511a 81 7470 1 1 B    11 1+^s\orry#+                                         / 
 511a 81 7480 1 1 B    11 1^just a !m\inute 'David#                           / 
 511a 81 7490 1 2 B    13 1^what [?] ^what are you [?] ^what are you t\alking / 
 511a 81 7490 1 1 B    13 1about#                                             / 
 511a 81 7500 1 1 B    11 1^five *!p\ounds#*                                  / 
 511a 81 7510 1 1 a    11 1*"^that* was :this week:\end# -                    / 
 511a 81 7520 1 1 a    11 1this ^last week\end# -                             / 
 511a 81 7530 1 1 B    11 1^where was the 'five !p\ounds taken ((from))# .    / 
 511a 81 7540 1 1 a    11 1^from the !\office# - -                            / 
 511a 82 7550 1 1 B    11 1((I)) ^didn`t kn/\ow th/at#                        / 
 511a 82 7560 1 1 a    11 1^y\eah# .                                          / 
 511a 82 7570 1 1 a    11 1^it`s be{tw\een} 'four and 'five p\ounds# - -      / 
 511a 82 7580 1 2 a    11 1[@:m - ? @:] . and . [?] it [w@th - - @:] . "^{n\o / 
 511a 82 7580 1 1 a    11 1'damage _done} at :\all# .                         / 
 511a 82 7590 1 1 B    11 1^how did they get !\in# -                          / 
 511a 82 7600 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^/obviously#                                  / 
 511a 82 7610 1 1 a    11 1a ^college 'close k\ey# .                          / 
 511a 82 7620 1 1 a    11 1^somebody that has a 'college 'close k\ey# .       / 
 511a 82 7630 1 1 a    11 1((there was)) ^no damage 'done to the d\oor# -     / 
 511a 83 7640 1 1 a    11 1^they !got into the /office# .                     / 
 511a 83 7650 1 1 a    11 1"^in . a 'cupboard like th/at#                     / 
 511a 83 7660 1 1 a    11 1^there`s a . !row of :h\ooks# .                    / 
 511a 83 7670 1 2 a    11 1^with there !must be about "!forty k\eys           / 
 511a 83 7670 1 1 a    11 1hanging# - -                                       / 
 511a 83 7680 1 1 a    11 1[@:] but ^\/one of them#                           / 
 511a 83 7690 1 1 a    11 1^has . [@:] a !little t/ab saying#                 / 
 511a 83 7700 1 1 a    11 1^D'K :f\iles# -                                    / 
 511a 83 7710 1 1 a    11 1and ^that`s !three f\iling cabinets# -             / 
 511a 83 7720 1 1 a    11 1^and "!\either# .                                  / 
 511a 83 7730 1 2 a    11 1the ^guy !knew ex:{\actly} 'where the petty 'cash  / 
 511a 83 7730 1 1 a    11 1was k\ept#                                         / 
 511a 83 7740 1 2 a    11 1which has been ^changed within the 'last few       / 
 511a 83 7740 1 1 a    11 1w\eeks#                                            / 
 511a 84 7750 1 1 B    11 1^[/m]#                                             / 
 511a 84 7760 1 1 a    11 1^\or /else#                                        / 
 511a 84 7770 1 1 a    11 1he`d ^had t/ime# .                                 / 
 511a 84 7780 1 2 a    12 1to ^go . 'through !all the 'other ^\all of the     / 
 511a 84 7780 1 1 a    12 1filing c/abinets#                                  / 
 511a 84 7790 1 1 a    11 1^l\ooking for it#                                  / 
 511a 84 7800 1 1 B    11 1^[\m]#                                             / 
 511a 84 7810 1 1 a    11 1and ^locking them 'up !\afterwards# -              / 
 511a 84 7820 1 1 a    11 1^now . [@] !when . [@:m] "M\illy# -                / 
 511a 84 7830 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^b\uzzed me on#                               / 
 511a 85 7840 1 1 a    11 1"^Monday m/orning#                                 / 
 511a 85 7850 1 1 a    11 1to ^say . "!b\y the w/ay#                          / 
 511a 85 7860 1 1 a    11 1^did you 'take any :petty c/ash# .                 / 
 511a 85 7870 1 1 a    11 1^over the !w\/eekend#                              / 
 511a 85 7880 1 1 a    11 1and for^get to put a !n\ote in#                    / 
 511a 85 7890 1 1 a    11 1I mean ^C\arola#                                   / 
 511a 85 7900 1 1 a    11 1^v\arious _people#                                 / 
 511a 85 7910 1 1 a    11 1say "^run short :over the :week/end#               / 
 511a 85 7920 2 1 a    21 1and ((they`re)) in ^the habit of                   / 
 511a 85 7930 1 1 B    11 1+^y\es#+                                           / 
 511a 85 7920 1 1(a    11 1+of+ d\/oing 'this#                                / 
 511a 85 7940 1 1 a    11 1and put an ^IOU in the !!b\ox#                     / 
 511a 86 7950 1 1 a    11 1^so I said n/o# .                                  / 
 511a 86 7960 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^she said well there`s none :h\ere#           / 
 511a 86 7970 1 1 a    11 1do you ^know if !L\yle or 'anybody`s 'taken it#    / 
 511a 86 7980 1 1 a    11 1so I said ^no n\o#                                 / 
 511a 86 7990 1 1 a    11 1I ^don`t kn\ow#                                    / 
 511a 86 8000 1 1 a    11 1(coughs . ) . and I came "^strolling thr/ough# .   / 
 511a 86 8010 1 1 a    11 1"^went to the :f\/iling cabinet#                   / 
 511a 86 8020 1 1 a    11 1^where it ((had)) used to !b\e# .                  / 
 511a 86 8030 1 2 a    11 1and ^Milly said !oh it`s not "th\/ere any          / 
 511a 86 8030 1 1 a    11 1'longer# .                                         / 
 511a 86 8040 1 1 a    11 1^so . I said w=ell now#                            / 
 511a 87 8050 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] ((you know)) "^\/I didn`t 'know this#        / 
 511a 87 8060 1 2 a    11 1((I ^wonder)) how many "!\other people . [@:]      / 
 511a 87 8060 1 1 a    11 1{((have ^kn\own)) this#}# .                        / 
 511a 87 8070 1 2 a    11 1^would you 'mind :opening this . 'filing 'cabinet  / 
 511a 87 8070 1 1 a    11 1that "!\I`m trying to g/et in#                     / 
 511a 87 8080 1 1 a    11 1^where it used to "!!b\e# .                        / 
 511a 87 8090 1 1 a    11 1and in the ^bottom dr/awer#                        / 
 511a 87 8100 1 2 a    12 1where ^filing where [dhi:] . ^petty cash !\used to / 
 511a 87 8100 1 1 a    12 1b/e#                                               / 
 511a 87 8110 1 1 a    11 1there was ^st=ill# .                               / 
 511a 87 8120 1 1 a    11 1the ^old acc/\ount b/ook# .                        / 
 511a 87 8130 1 1 a    11 1and ^various re!c=eipt 'books# .                   / 
 511a 88 8140 1 1 a    11 1and the ^b=ox#                                     / 
 511a 88 8150 1 1 a    11 1the ^cardboard :sh\/oe box#                        / 
 511a 88 8160 1 1 a    11 1in which we used to ^k\/eep the 'money#            / 
 511a 88 8170 1 1 a    11 1^down under!n\eath# .                              / 
 511a 88 8180 1 1 a    11 1((and)) I just ^looked at th/is#                   / 
 511a 88 8190 1 1 a    11 1((and)) I ^said is !this exactly how you l\eft it# / 
 511a 88 8200 1 1 a    11 1((and she said ^[/m]#                              / 
 511a 88 8210 1 1 a    11 14 to 6 sylls)) so it ^looked to "!m\e# .           / 
 511a 88 8220 1 1 a    11 1as ^though . !that hadn`t :even been "!s\earched# -/ 
 511a 88 8230 1 1 a    11 1that ^this g/uy#                                   / 
 511a 88 8240 1 1 a    11 1if he "^d/\id go _through#                         / 
 511a 89 8250 1 1 a    11 1the ^three . f\/iling 'cabinets#                   / 
 511a 89 8260 1 1 a    11 1^looking for 'where the 'petty 'cash w/as# .       / 
 511a 89 8270 1 1 a    11 1he was ^either extra"!\ordinarily 'neat#           / 
 511a 89 8280 1 1 a    11 1and ^taking his [@] t/ime#                         / 
 511a 89 8290 1 1 a    11 1or ^else he didn`t "b\other# .                     / 
 511a 89 8300 1 2 a    11 1he ^didn`t "!n\eed to go 'through the three f/iling/ 
 511a 89 8300 1 1 a    11 1cabinets#                                          / 
 511a 89 8310 1 1 a    21 1he ^just went to the one wh=ere                    / 
 511a 89 8320 1 1 II   20 1(fault in tape)                                    / 
 511a 89 8330 1 1 a    11 1^tw\/o tin boxes#                                  / 
 511a 89 8340 1 1 a    11 1^one with t=ea money#                              / 
 511a 89 8350 1 1 a    11 1^one with petty c=ash# -                           / 
 511a 90 8360 1 1 a    11 1[@:] and where he ^dished the :l\ot#               / 
 511a 90 8370 1 1 a    11 1ex^cept for a few :c\oppers#                       / 
 511a 90 8380 1 1 a    11 1which he . which he "^l\eft# -                     / 
 511a 90 8390 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] . "^/\and they were then locked /up#         / 
 511a 90 8400 1 1 a    11 1"^and he had re'placed the k/ey# .                 / 
 511a 90 8410 1 1 a    11 1you ^s/ee#                                         / 
 511a 90 8420 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] (clears throat) ^w\ell# -                    / 
 511a 90 8430 1 2 a    11 1[@:m] - I . [@:m] . I ^then [w] im!mediately went  / 
 511a 90 8430 1 1 a    11 1up:st\/airs# -                                     / 
 511a 90 8440 1 1 a    11 1to ^\/Ann# .                                       / 
 511a 90 8450 1 1 a    11 1who`d ^just ar:r\/ived# .                          / 
 511a 90 8460 1 2 a    12 1and ((^I said)) [@:m] - ((there ^hasn`t been any)) / 
 511a 90 8460 1 1 a    12 1:tr\ouble over the w/eekend#                       / 
 511a 91 8470 1 1 a    11 1((has there)) ^anybody any :b\/urglary#            / 
 511a 91 8480 1 1 a    11 1and ^she said n/o# .                               / 
 511a 91 8490 1 1 a    11 1and I ^looked \up#                                 / 
 511a 91 8500 1 1 a    11 1((and)) I said "^wh/at#                            / 
 511a 91 8510 1 1 a    11 1and "^there were these !two f\/iling cabinets# .   / 
 511a 91 8520 1 1 a    11 1"^r\uined#                                         / 
 511a 91 8530 1 1 a    11 1the ^doors +!prized !\open#+                       / 
 511a 91 8540 1 1 B    11 1+^y\es#+                                           / 
 511a 91 8550 1 1 B    11 1I ^s\aw th/at#                                     / 
 511a 91 8560 1 1 a    11 1you ^s/ee#                                         / 
 511a 91 8570 1 2 a    12 1^and [@:m dh@] and the ^one in which she "!does    / 
 511a 91 8570 1 1 a    12 1keep the 'petty c/ash#                             / 
 511a 92 8580 1 1 a    11 1an at^t\empt had been made {^\at it#}#             / 
 511a 92 8590 1 1 a    20 1but [@: @:]                                        / 
 511a 92 8600 1 1 B    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 92 8610 1 1 a    11 1+((and))+ ^f\ailed#                                / 
 511a 92 8620 1 1 a    11 1but I ^m=ean# .                                    / 
 511a 92 8630 1 1 a    11 1you ^s/ee#                                         / 
 511a 92 8640 1 1 a    11 1it was ^so extra\ordinary#                         / 
 511a 92 8650 1 2 a    11 1that ^this ((was)) done at 'same t\ime - {^as each / 
 511a 92 8650 1 1 a    11 1\other#}# -                                        / 
 511a 92 8660 1 1 a    11 1^you kn/ow#                                        / 
 511a 92 8670 1 1 a    11 1((over)) the ^same week/end#                       / 
 511a 92 8680 1 1 a    11 1so pre^s\umably#                                   / 
 511a 92 8690 1 1 a    11 1the ^same 'guy is inv\olved# -                     / 
 511a 92 8700 1 1 a    11 1((it`d be)) ^otherwise co\incidence#               / 
 511a 92 8710 1 1 a    11 1((so for))^g\et it#                                / 
 511a 93 8720 1 1 a    11 1^and "!y\et#                                       / 
 511a 93 8730 1 1 a    11 1the ^difference in techn=ique# .                   / 
 511a 93 8740 1 1 a    11 1is so so +^v/astly+ d\ifferent#                    / 
 511a 93 8750 1 1 B    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 93 8760 1 1 a    11 1"^one bloke so :neat and t/idy#                    / 
 511a 93 8770 1 1 a    20 1+- and+                                            / 
 511a 93 8780 1 1 B    11 1+and the ^other so+ !r\ough#                       / 
 511a 93 8790 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a 93 8800 1 1 a    11 1^and - with [dhi: dhi:] ":k\/eys# -                / 
 511a 93 8810 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] . ac^cessible up:st\/airs# .                 / 
 511a 93 8820 1 1 a    11 1to ^anybody that :knows his way :r\/ound# .        / 
 511a 94 8830 1 1 a    11 1or . you ^kn/ow#                                   / 
 511a 94 8840 1 1 a    11 1^knows where to !l/ook# - -                        / 
 511a 94 8850 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] so [?]^\anyway# .                            / 
 511a 94 8860 1 1 a    11 1[@] - so [@] ^O/K#                                 / 
 511a 94 8870 1 1 a    11 1they ^got on to env\ironment#                      / 
 511a 94 8880 1 1 a    11 1et^cetera et!c\etera#                              / 
 511a 94 8890 1 1 a    11 1^w\ell# .                                          / 
 511a 94 8900 1 2 a    12 1^I got a !most extra!\ordinary ((well)) ^Milly     / 
 511a 94 8900 1 1 a    12 1!Hartman got an extra:\ordinary l/etter#           / 
 511a 94 8910 1 1 a    11 1^from [@:? dhi: dhi:] !br\ainy bl/oke#             / 
 511a 94 8920 1 2 a    11 1who ^is the [@:m @s] assistant env\ironment        / 
 511a 94 8920 1 1 a    11 1((officer))#                                       / 
 511a 94 8930 1 1 a    12 1"^very nice ^chap called :Tr\im#                   / 
 511a 95 8940 1 1 B    11 1^Tr\im# .                                          / 
 511a 95 8950 1 1 a    11 1and [@:] ^he wrote to :M/illy saying#              / 
 511a 95 8960 1 2 a    11 1[@:m . @:m . @] - ( - laughs) ((^first of :all he  / 
 511a 95 8960 1 1 a    11 1s=aid#))                                           / 
 511a 95 8970 1 1 a    12 1[@:m] . ^I - - [@:] I`ve ^l\ooked into th/is#      / 
 511a 95 8980 1 2 a    12 1and I have ^c/ome . and I have ^formed the         / 
 511a 95 8980 1 1 a    12 1op\/inion# .                                       / 
 511a 95 8990 1 1 a    11 1^br\acket# .                                       / 
 511a 95 9000 1 1 a    11 1and the po^lice a:gr\/ee with me# .                / 
 511a 95 9010 1 1 a    11 1^close br/acket#                                   / 
 511a 95 9020 1 1 a    11 1that ^=access#                                     / 
 511a 95 9030 1 1 a    11 1was ^by a "!k\ey#                                  / 
 511a 96 9040 1 1 a    21 1(laughs - ) [@:] ^bloody                           / 
 511a 96 9050 1 1 B    11 1+^y\eah#+                                          / 
 511a 96 9060 1 1 a    11 1+a+ ^bloody great de:t\ective th/at bloke#         / 
 511a 96 9070 1 1 B    11 1^y\eah#                                            / 
 511a 96 9080 1 1 a    11 1^\anyway#                                          / 
 511a 96 9090 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] ^h\e said#                                   / 
 511a 96 9100 1 1 a    11 1((it)) ^and that :th\/erefore#                     / 
 511a 96 9110 1 2 a    11 1there ^should be an ad"!ditional 'Yale l\ock       / 
 511a 96 9110 1 1 a    11 1{^f\itted on *the 'door#}#*                        / 
 511a 96 9120 1 1 B    11 1*I ^saw this* [@] letter y\es#                     / 
 511a 97 9130 1 1 a    11 1so I ^rang him \up#                                / 
 511a 97 9140 1 1 a    11 1and I said "^d\ear 'Mr 'Trim#                      / 
 511a 97 9150 1 1 a    11 1^don`t be tw\it#                                   / 
 511a 97 9160 1 1 a    11 1I ^didn`t say 'don`t be a tw\it#                   / 
 511a 97 9170 1 1 a    11 1but I said you know ^don`t be so \innocent#        / 
 511a 97 9180 1 1 a    11 1[@:] I ^said !John Gr\eenlane#                     / 
 511a 97 9190 1 1 a    11 1has . [ei] ^put [ei] 'Yale l/ock#                  / 
 511a 97 9200 1 1 a    11 1^on his d/oor#                                     / 
 511a 97 9210 2 1 a    21 1there ^is al!ready a Yale lock on the +[of]        / 
 511a 97 9220 1 1 B    11 1+^departm\ental#+                                  / 
 511a 97 9210 1 1(a    11 1!office+ d/oor# .                                  / 
 511a 97 9230 1 2 a    11 1and ^I said it`s the ":\easiest thing in the       / 
 511a 97 9230 1 1 a    11 1w/orld#                                            / 
 511a 98 9240 1 2 a    11 1I said about ^three weeks 'after :John had 'had it / 
 511a 98 9240 1 1 a    11 1"!f\itted# .                                       / 
 511a 98 9250 1 1 a    11 1he ^came to 'me one :Saturday m/orning#            / 
 511a 98 9260 1 1 a    11 1and said ^God d/amn it#                            / 
 511a 98 9270 1 1 a    11 1I`ve ^l\ost my k/ey#                               / 
 511a 98 9280 1 1 a    11 1and I ^w\ant to get 'into my /office#              / 
 511a 98 9290 1 1 a    11 1how do I ^d\o it#                                  / 
 511a 98 9300 1 1 a    11 1and ^I got in my!!s\elf {I ^s\aid#}# .             / 
 511a 98 9310 1 1 a    11 1with ^doing a !m\inimum a'mount of d/amage#        / 
 511a 98 9320 1 1 a    11 1just ^pr\izing 'open [dhi:] the l/ath#             / 
 511a 99 9330 1 1 a    11 1that`s a^gainst the d=oor#                         / 
 511a 99 9340 1 1 a    11 1and ^just inserting a r/uler#                      / 
 511a 99 9350 1 1 a    11 1and we were ^in in two minutes "!fl\at# -          / 
 511a 99 9360 1 2 a    11 1[@:] the ^Yale is "!absolutely out of the          / 
 511a 99 9360 1 1 a    11 1qu\estion#                                         / 
 511a 99 9370 1 1 a    11 1it`s ^got to be a :m\ortice l/ock# .               / 
 511a 99 9380 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^that ((\is))# .                              / 
 511a 99 9390 1 2 a    11 1[@] a ^decent 'mortice lock ((for)) something      / 
 511a 99 9390 1 1 a    11 1se!c\ure#                                          / 
 511a 99 9400 1 1 a    11 1^but I s\aid#                                      / 
 511a 99 9410 1 1 a    11 1^this 'needs to be !thought ab/out# .              / 
 511a 99 9420 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] in a "^much wider c\ontext# .                / 
 511a100 9430 1 1 a    11 1[@:] than ^just putting [@:] :locks on d/oors# .   / 
 511a100 9440 1 1 a    11 1the ^problem 'is . r/eally#                        / 
 511a100 9450 1 1 a    11 1the ^number of keys in:v\olved#                    / 
 511a100 9460 1 1 a    11 1"^w\e are _going to be# .                          / 
 511a100 9470 1 1 a    11 1^well looked 'after down h/ere#                    / 
 511a100 9480 1 1 a    11 1on the ^/office#                                   / 
 511a100 9490 1 1 a    11 1we`re ^going to put a "!Chubb lock on the d/oor# . / 
 511a100 9500 1 1 a    11 1and ^we know 'how many :keys that are inv/olved#   / 
 511a100 9510 1 1 a    11 1there are ^only half a d/ozen#                     / 
 511a100 9520 1 1 a    11 1or ^something like th/at# .                        / 
 511a101 9530 1 1 a    11 1"^\and what is m/ore#                              / 
 511a101 9540 1 1 a    11 1this is the ^absolutely "!cr\ucial p/oint# -       / 
 511a101 9550 1 1 a    11 1^we have 'got a 'cleaner that we can ":tr\ust# - - / 
 511a101 9560 1 1 a    11 1[@:m] the ^cleaner on !this fl/oor#                / 
 511a101 9570 1 1 a    11 1will ^go /in#                                      / 
 511a101 9580 1 1 a    11 1she`ll ^do the cl/eaning#                          / 
 511a101 9590 1 1 a    11 1she`ll ^come out and she`ll l/ock#                 / 
 511a101 9600 1 2 a    11 1and I ^have no hesitation in giving her the        / 
 511a101 9600 1 1 a    11 1!k\ey# .                                           / 
 511a101 9610 1 1 a    12 1^but [dhi:] . ^when !she is on l/\eave# .          / 
 511a101 9620 1 1 a    11 1I ^s/aid# .                                        / 
 511a101 9630 1 2 a    11 1^there will be !no 'cleaning in the :\office in    / 
 511a101 9630 1 1 a    11 1'future# -                                         / 
 511a102 9640 1 1 a    11 1when ^she`s on l/eave#                             / 
 511a102 9650 1 1 a    11 1we will ^put out the :wastepaper b/ins#            / 
 511a102 9660 1 1 a    11 1^outside the :door in the m/orning#                / 
 511a102 9670 1 1 a    11 1and the ^cleaners will 'not be 'able to get !\in# -/ 
 511a102 9680 1 1 a    11 1be^cause . you kn/ow#                              / 
 511a102 9690 1 1 a    11 1we ^had this if you rem=ember#                     / 
 511a102 9700 1 1 a    11 1a^bout a !y=ear a_go#                              / 
 511a102 9710 1 1 a    11 1when ^some of our 'staff _said . [@:] r/ight#      / 
 511a102 9720 1 1 a    11 1^maybe it was be_fore you c\ame# -                 / 
 511a103 9730 1 1 a    11 1[@] ^I was in:structed at :\any 'rate#             / 
 511a103 9740 1 1 a    11 1to ^write to . [@:m] env/ironment#                 / 
 511a103 9750 1 2 a    11 1and ^say . [@:m] . !cleaners "!must not leave      / 
 511a103 9750 1 1 a    11 1:doors 'open in the +m\orning#+                    / 
 511a103 9760 1 1 B    11 1+^y\es#+                                           / 
 511a103 9770 1 1 a    11 1[@:] ^and I was :written "b/ack to#                / 
 511a103 9780 1 1 B    11 1((1 to 2 sylls)) that ^happened when I was :h\ere# / 
 511a103 9790 1 1 a    11 1^r\ight#                                           / 
 511a103 9800 1 1 a    11 1I was ^written b/ack to#                           / 
 511a104 9810 1 1 a    11 1and ^said n/o#                                     / 
 511a104 9820 1 1 a    11 1they had in"^str\uctions 'not to do {^th\at#}#     / 
 511a104 9830 1 1 a    11 1they ^go /in#                                      / 
 511a104 9840 1 1 a    11 1they "^unlock the d/oor#                           / 
 511a104 9850 1 2 a    11 1^go in do their 'cleaning come 'out ((and)) lock   / 
 511a104 9850 1 1 a    11 1!\up again#                                        / 
 511a104 9860 1 1 a    11 1^well of 'course it 'doesn`t !!h\appen#            / 
 511b  1 9870 1 1 II   20 2(later in the same conversation)                   / 
 511b  1 9880 1 1 a    11 2and the "^only w/ay#                               / 
 511b  1 9890 1 1 a    11 2to ^get sec/urity#                                 / 
 511b  1 9900 1 1 a    11 2is "^either to 'have . a :s/afe# - -               / 
 511b  2 9910 1 1 a    11 2[@:] which ^wouldn`t be :t\/oo 'difficult#         / 
 511b  2 9920 1 2 a    12 2and I ^think . [s@ @] so 'far as !y\our department / 
 511b  2 9920 1 1 a    12 2is [@] ((you know)) ^\our department#              / 
 511b  2 9930 1 1 a    11 2"^your \office is is conc/erned#                   / 
 511b  2 9940 1 1 a    11 2a ^safe is the 'only w/ay# -                       / 
 511b  2 9950 1 1 a    11 2"^{/or} /else#                                     / 
 511b  2 9960 1 1 a    11 2to ^have a sm/\all r/oom# .                        / 
 511b  2 9970 1 1 a    11 2^such as [dhi:] . x/erox {^r/oom#}# - -            / 
 511b  2 9980 1 1 a    11 2^which is on a :Chubb l/ock# -                     / 
 511b  3 9990 1 1 a    11 2^and which is !not cleaned by the :cl\eaners# - -  / 
 511b  310000 1 1 a    12 2and ^that . ^in that r/oom#                        / 
 511b  310010 1 1 a    11 2^in such a r/oom#                                  / 
 511b  310020 1 1 a    11 2[@] you can ^have [@:] . m/oney#                   / 
 511b  310030 1 1 a    12 2and [@:m] ^such . ^that type of :v\aluable#        / 
 511b  310040 1 1 a    20 2[@:m]                                              / 
 511b  310050 1 1 B    11 2((we haven`t)) ^got a s/\afe#                      / 
 511b  310060 1 1 B    11 2would they ^let us 'have a s/afe# - -              / 
 511b  310070 1 1 B    11 2have ^you got a 'safe in the /office# .            / 
 511b  310080 1 1 a    11 2^n\o# - -                                          / 
 511b  410090 1 1 B    11 2^wouldn`t it be b/est to have a 'safe then#        / 
 511b  410100 1 2 a    14 2^I ^I think "^I think that that`s ^I think that`s  / 
 511b  410100 1 1 a    14 2the :best thing r/eally#                           / 
 511b  410110 1 1 a    21 2[@:] ^but [@:] ((as :you))                         / 
 511b  410120 1 1 B    11 2the ^xerox room isn`t is :not very satisf/actory#  / 
 511b  410130 1 1 B    11 2be^cause it`s also a !t\ea room# - -               / 
 511b  410140 1 1 B    11 2^h/ere# -                                          / 
 511b  410150 1 1 a    11 2you ^s=ee#                                         / 
 511b  410160 1 1 a    11 2it ^doesn`t !m\atter during the d/ay {so ^m/uch#}# / 
 511b  510170 1 1 B    11 2^n\o#                                              / 
 511b  510180 1 1 B    11 2^not so m\uch#                                     / 
 511b  510190 1 1 B    11 2but I ^m=ean#                                      / 
 511b  510200 1 2 B    11 2it`s ^still got +to be . the :place of se:curity to/ 
 511b  510200 1 1 B    11 2our mat\/erial#                                    / 
 511b  510210 2 1 B    21 2would con^vert it into                             / 
 511b  510220 1 1 a    11 2+^y\eah# .                                         / 
 511b  510230 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight# .                                         / 
 511b  510240 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight# .                                         / 
 511b  510250 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight#                                           / 
 511b  510260 1 1 a    11 2^y\eah#                                            / 
 511b  510270 1 1 a    11 2^s\ure#                                            / 
 511b  510280 1 1 a    11 2^s\ure#                                            / 
 511b  510290 1 1 a    11 2^s\ure#+                                           / 
 511b  510210 1 1(B    11 2a [s] :str\ong((hold))#+                           / 
 511b  510300 1 1 B    20 2(laughs - )                                        / 
 511b  510310 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight#                                           / 
 511b  510320 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight#                                           / 
 511b  510330 1 1 a    11 2^r\ight#                                           / 
 511b  510340 1 1 B    11 2[@:] so ^I would favour the idea of a of a s/\afe# / 
 511b  610350 1 1 B    11 2if ^that were p\ossible# .                         / 
 511b  610360 1 1 B    11 2do you ^think we 'should have !Ch\ubbs#            / 
 511b  610370 1 1 B    11 2^on the 'depart'mental :office +:d\/oor#+          / 
 511b  610380 1 1 II   20 2+(telephone rings - )+                             / 
 511b  610390 1 1 a    11 2^n/\o#                                             / 
 511b  610400 1 1 a    12 2^I I ^w\/ell# .                                    / 
 511b  610410 1 1 a    11 2[? @ . @:m] to ^m\/y mind#                         / 
 511b  610420 1 1 a    11 2it`s . it`s a a ^waste of t\ime#                   / 
 511b  610430 1 1 a    11 2(speaks on telephone - - - ) - ^[=@:m]# -          / 
 511b  610440 1 1 a    11 2[i? i? @:] ^Chubb on the 'door`s :p\ointless# .    / 
 511b  610450 1 1 a    11 2for the ^reasons I m\entioned# .                   / 
 511b  610460 1 1 a    11 2we`re . we`re "^too big a dep\artment# .           / 
 511b  710470 1 2 a    11 2[@:] we`re [?] we`re ^going to have to have !forty / 
 511b  710470 1 1 a    11 2c\opies# .                                         / 
 511b  710480 1 1 a    11 2of ^that . [@:] Ch/ubb lock#                       / 
 511b  710490 1 1 a    11 2^\and what is m/ore#                               / 
 511b  710500 1 2 a    11 2the ^cl\eaners are 'going to 'have {to ^h\ave      / 
 511b  710500 1 1 a    11 2them#}#                                            / 
 511b  710510 1 1 a    11 2^therefore +et'cetera et'cetera etc\etera#+        / 
 511b  710520 1 1 B    11 2+^y\es#+                                           / 
 511b  710530 1 1 B    11 2^qu\ite#                                           / 
 511b  710540 1 1 a    11 2[@] ^after /all# .                                 / 
 511b  710550 1 2 a    12 2[@:] I ^don`t have to - [@ . @] it`s ^not a :lot of/ 
 511b  710550 1 1 a    12 2tr/ouble# -                                        / 
 511b  810560 1 1 a    11 2[@:m] ^for m/e#                                    / 
 511b  810570 1 1 a    11 2as [? ei] . as a dis^h/onest st\udent# .           / 
 511b  810580 1 1 a    11 2to ^s=ee# -                                        / 
 511b  810590 1 1 a    11 2[@:m] ^your keys on the d=esk#                     / 
 511b  810600 1 1 a    11 2or ^Shane !Warnock`s 'keys on the d\esk# .         / 
 511b  810610 1 1 a    11 2he ^goes !out to p\ee# .                           / 
 511b  810620 1 1 a    11 2I ^slip off 'that [@:m @:] :Chubb k\ey# -          / 
 511b  810630 1 1 a    11 2^or take his !wh/\ole keys if if I l/ike#          / 
 511b  810640 1 1 a    11 2((take)) ^\all his 'keys# -                        / 
 511b  810650 1 1 a    11 2^have a "!copy m/ade# .                            / 
 511b  810660 1 1 a    11 2within ^two or three "!h\ours up the r/oad here#   / 
 511b  910670 1 1 a    11 2and ^then . [@: l@] :l\ose the k=eys#              / 
 511b  910680 1 1 a    11 2^in the office or s/omething#                      / 
 511b  910690 1 1 a    11 2and and ^Shane gets them b/ack#                    / 
 511b  910700 1 2 a    11 2and ^says well Christ I :don`t know where I l=eft  / 
 511b  910700 1 1 a    11 2them#                                              / 
 511b  910710 1 1 a    11 2but ^thank God I`ve got them n\ow# -               / 
 511b  910720 1 1 a    11 2((you take the ^p\oint#)) -                        / 
 511b  910730 1 1 a    11 2[@:m] . ^and in "\any case#                        / 
 511b  910740 1 2 a    12 2[@:] there`s ^been a situation ((2 to 3 sylls))    / 
 511b  910740 1 1 a    12 2^n/o#                                              / 
 511b  910750 1 1 a    11 2it ^seems to m/e#                                  / 
 511b  910760 1 1 a    11 2that [@:] . ^big dep/artments# .                   / 
 511b 1010770 1 2 a    11 2[@:m] it`s going to be ^worth . our 'while putting / 
 511b 1010770 1 1 a    11 2a a . a :s\afe in#                                 / 
 511b 1010780 1 1 a    11 2^possibly /even#                                   / 
 511b 1010790 1 1 a    11 2a ^sh\ared safe#                                   / 
 511b 1010800 1 1 a    11 2^with say . [@:] :Ch=emistry#                      / 
 511b 1010810 1 1 a    11 2^Rurit=anian# -                                    / 
 511b 1010820 1 1 a    11 2[@:] ^Sp\anish# .                                  / 
 511b 1010830 1 1 a    11 2^say !one s\afe# .                                 / 
 511b 1010840 1 1 a    11 2for ^those three dep=artments#                     / 
 511b 1010850 1 1 a    11 2^kept in your \office#                             / 
 511b 1010860 1 1 a    11 2and +^then ((k\eys#))+                             / 
 511b 1010870 1 2 B    11 2+it would be ^quite nice+ to :think of a - :burglar/ 
 511b 1010870 1 1 B    11 2[@:] 'spending :many :h\ours#                      / 
 511b 1110880 1 1 B    11 2[@m] - ^burning his 'way through a :s\afe#         / 
 511b 1110890 1 1 B    11 2to ^get fifty !\p#                                 / 
 511b 1110900 1 1 a    11 2^no ex\actly# .                                    / 
 511b 1110910 1 1 a    11 2ex^\actly#                                         / 
 511b 1110920 1 1 a    11 2and you ^s=ee#                                     / 
 511b 1110930 1 1 a    21 2+^these+                                           / 
 511b 1110940 1 2 B    11 2+^we+ haven`t got much 'money to !p\ut in the 'safe/ 
 511b 1110940 1 1 B    11 2in /other 'words#                                  / 
 511b 1110950 1 1 a    11 2+^these ((can`t be rigged /up))#+                  / 
 511b 1110960 1 2 B    11 2+((4 to 6 sylls files in the+ issue)) I ^mean are  / 
 511b 1110960 1 1 B    11 2there f\iles out there#                            / 
 511b 1210970 1 2 B    11 2that ^ought to be pro'tected 'better than they     / 
 511b 1210970 1 1 B    11 2/\are#                                             / 
 511b 1210980 1 1 a    11 2^w/ell#                                            / 
 511b 1210990 1 2 a    12 2^that ^that is is is a _a is a is a a a difficult  / 
 511b 1210990 1 1 a    12 2issue :t\oo#                                       / 
 511b 1211000 1 2 a    12 2you ^see there are !three there are ^three \aspects/ 
 511b 1211000 1 1 a    12 2of {se^c\urity#}# .                                / 
 511b 1211010 1 1 a    11 2^one is m\oney# - -                                / 
 511b 1211020 1 1 a    11 2^one is equ\ipment# .                              / 
 511b 1211030 1 1 a    11 2the ^other is 'confi'dential f\iles#               / 
 511b 1211040 1 1 B    11 2^y\es#                                             / 
 511b 1311050 1 1 a    11 2^n\ow#                                             / 
 511b 1311060 1 1 a    11 2[@:m - dhi: . dhi:] ^f\/irst 'one# .               / 
 511b 1311070 1 2 a    11 2^is [?] 'where [?] we`re . r/\eally in             / 
 511b 1311070 1 1 a    11 2:{^d\anger#}# -                                    / 
 511b 1311080 1 1 a    11 2[@:m . @ ? @] ^talking ar/ound#                    / 
 511b 1311090 1 2 a    12 2it ^seems to be ^talking to [dhi:] 'tutor to [@:m] / 
 511b 1311090 1 1 a    12 2:st\udents#                                        / 
 511b 1311100 1 1 a    11 2[@] the ^problem seems to be dr\ug addicts#        / 
 512       10 1 1 a    11  [@?m] . ^we !did . de:c\ide#                       / 
 512       20 1 2 a    11  that ^we were _going to _have a _[p@6:] !post      / 
 512       20 1 1 a    11  m\ortem# - - -                                     / 
 512       30 1 1 ?d   11  ^hang /on# -                                       / 
 512       40 1 2 a    12  for the "^[la6:] for "^[dhi:] . Saint _Mark`s      / 
 512       40 1 1 a    12  _week\/end# - - -                                  / 
 512       50 1 1 a    11  ^did we !n\ot# - -                                 / 
 512       60 1 1 ?e   11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512       70 2 1(a    21  *((and))* ^that was the [@] '[dhi] [@]             / 
 512       80 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512       70 1 1 a    11  !object of ton\ight# -                             / 
 512       90 1 1 a    11  ^so per!haps R/oy#                                 / 
 512      100 2 1 a    21  ^you !could [@] - - - 'out'line 'your th/oughts .  / 
 512      110 2 1 d    21  ^could I                                           / 
 512      100 1 1 a    11  'on the 'matter#                                   / 
 512      110 1 1 d    11  'ask be'fore we do th\at# - -                      / 
 512      120 1 2 d    11  can ^we sort of . :map _out what we !actually 'have/ 
 512      120 1 1 d    11  to t\alk a'bout to'night# -                        / 
 512      130 1 1 d    11  cos ^my !time !is 'fairly :l\/imited# - -          / 
 512      140 1 1 d    11  cos ^I`m "!very 'worried about 'getting h\ome# - - / 
 512      150 1 1 d    11  ^s=o# - -                                          / 
 512      160 1 2 d    11  ((if)) we ^have a !list of 'what we :want to t/alk / 
 512      160 1 1 d    11  a'bout#                                            / 
 512      170 1 2 d    11  and ^we can !make 'sure we :don`t 'sort of 'spend  / 
 512      170 1 1 d    11  too l/ong on 'something#                           / 
 512      180 1 1 d    20  and                                                / 
 512      190 1 1 ?    11  ^[/mhm]# - -                                       / 
 512      200 1 1 d    20  (coughs)                                           / 
 512      210 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 512      220 1 1 a    11  we ^need . !first of 'all to do th\at#             / 
 512      230 1 1 d    11  ^y/eahp# -                                         / 
 512      240 1 2 a    12  ^and - dis^cuss the ar'rangements for the          / 
 512      240 1 1 a    12  No:v\/ember thing#                                 / 
 512      250 1 1 d    11  ^[/mhm]# - -                                       / 
 512      260 1 2 a    11  ^and . dis!cuss [?]ar'rangements - _for . the      / 
 512      260 1 1 a    11  :Brahms R\equiem# - - -                            / 
 512      270 1 1 a    11  ^((imm/orally)) {^y/et#}#                          / 
 512      280 1 1 d    11  ^[/mhm]#                                           / 
 512      290 1 1 ?a   11  ^g\ood#                                            / 
 512      300 1 1 a    11  ^and [@:] - . !br\/iefly#                          / 
 512      310 1 2 a    11  ^((over)) the _rest of the !s\eason 'I would       / 
 512      310 1 1 a    11  sug'gest# -                                        / 
 512      320 1 1 a    11  [@:m] ^the No!v\ember . c/oncert# -                / 
 512      330 1 1 a    11  ^needs a _fair a!m\ount of 'sorting 'out#          / 
 512      340 1 1 a    11  cos we`re ^trying 'this 'different :s\ystem#       / 
 512      350 1 2 a    11  ((and)) we ^want to - !try and 'tighten 'things    / 
 512      350 1 1 a    11  /up# - .                                           / 
 512      360 1 1 a    11  and dis^cuss how we`re 'going to d\o that# -       / 
 512      370 1 1 d    20  ((okay)) - - (([mhm]))                             / 
 512      380 1 1 a    11  all ^r/ight for 'you# .                            / 
 512      390 2 1 a    21  [@?m] . *^{y\ou}* 'want to 'bring                  / 
 512      400 2 1 e    21  *^((1 syll))*                                      / 
 512      390 1 1(a    11  'obviously :f\inances 'into 'these th/ings# -      / 
 512      400 1 1(e    11  *((^couldn`t we dis'cuss :f\/und'raising#))*       / 
 512      410 1 2 d    10  *( . coughs)                                       / 
 512      410 1 1 d    10  ^think it will a:rise !n\aturally* s/ome'how#      / 
 512      420 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512      430 1 1 a    11  ((I)) ^think you`re !probably !!r\ight#            / 
 512      440 1 1 d    20  ( - chuckles)                                      / 
 512      450 1 2 e    11  ((we)) ^did 'say we 'would dis:cuss f\und'raising  / 
 512      450 1 1 e    11  (('at this m/eeting))#                             / 
 512      460 1 1 d    20  *((several sylls))*                                / 
 512      470 1 1 a    11  *dis^cuss wh/at#*                                  / 
 512      480 1 1 e    11  ((well the)) "^f\und'raising#                      / 
 512      490 1 1 e    20  *((2 to 3 sylls))*                                 / 
 512      500 1 1 a    11  *have you ^got f\/und'raising#*                    / 
 512      510 1 1 d    11  *((^oh that`s /it#))*                              / 
 512      520 1 1 e    11  ((can you ^put 'on)) - - - f\und'raising#          / 
 512      530 1 1 a    11  al^r\ight#                                         / 
 512      540 1 2 a    11  ((well)) I`m "^s\orry I 'haven`t pro_duced an      / 
 512      540 1 1 a    11  ag/enda#                                           / 
 512      550 1 1 a    11  it`s ^very - - . ((l\ax of me#))                   / 
 512      560 1 1 a    20  ((2 sylls)) - - -                                  / 
 512      570 1 1 a    11  ^r\ight# - - -                                     / 
 512      580 1 1 a    11  ^the Saint !Mark`s week\end# - - .                 / 
 512      590 1 1 a    11  the ^musical - - . st/andards# - -                 / 
 512      600 1 1 d    20  ( . chuckles * - *)                                / 
 512      610 1 2 b    11  *well I ^think we`re 'all a"!w\are* of the . '[dhi]/ 
 512      610 1 1 b    11  [@m]# - -                                          / 
 512      620 1 1 b    11  re^s\ults#                                         / 
 512      630 1 1 b    11  and ((the)) ^c\/auses 'of them# - -                / 
 512      640 1 1 a    11  ^w/\ell#                                           / 
 512      650 1 1 a    11  [a7] *^/\are we ((a'ware of the 'causes))#*        / 
 512      660 1 1 ?    11  *^[m] n\o#*                                        / 
 512      670 1 1 ?    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 512      680 1 1 b    11  +^r\ight#+                                         / 
 512      690 1 1 a    11  +I ^think+ the 'causes _need /\ana'lysing#         / 
 512      700 1 1 a    11  **((to be ^qu\/ite 'honest#))**                    / 
 512      710 1 1 b    11  **"^n\/o#                                          / 
 512      720 1 1 b    21  [?@]** . I ^wasn`t *'going to ((several sylls))*   / 
 512      730 1 1 e    11  *^and the res/\ults#                               / 
 512      740 1 1 a    11  ^and the res/\ults#* .                             / 
 512      750 1 1 a    11  +^y/\es# -                                         / 
 512      760 1 1 e    11  ^[/\m]#+                                           / 
 512      770 1 1 b    10  +((to !m\ention#)) .                               / 
 512      780 1 1 b    12  ^I [?]+ ^pl\ease# .                                / 
 512      790 1 1 b    11  ^inter'rupt and \argue# - [@:m]                    / 
 512      800 1 1 ?a   11  ^well we !w\ill#                                   / 
 512      810 1 1 d    20  ( . chuckles) - - -                                / 
 512      820 1 1 ?a   20  but                                                / 
 512      830 1 1 b    11  ( . coughs) ^b\/asically#                          / 
 512      840 1 2 b    11  the ^Saturday 'evening 'concert - was a 'bit       / 
 512      840 1 1 b    11  ":t\atty# -                                        / 
 512      850 1 1 b    11  ^had 'good :m\/oments#                             / 
 512      860 1 1 b    11  but ^r\/eally [@m]# .                              / 
 512      870 1 1 b    11  ^none of it '[w@z] - :st\/unning# -                / 
 512      880 1 1 b    11  ^none of it was "!p\olished 'let`s _say# .         / 
 512      890 1 1 b    11  ^there ((were)) some 'good 'musical :th\ings#      / 
 512      900 1 2 b    11  but ^I mean it !just 'wasn`t - - :up to the 'sort  / 
 512      900 1 1 b    11  of . !level 'of - - f\/inishedness#                / 
 512      910 1 1 b    11  that ^we should be \/aiming 'at# - -               / 
 512      920 2 1 a    20  it                                                 / 
 512      930 1 1 ?b   20  [@m]                                               / 
 512      920 1 1(a    10  ^wasn`t :s\atisfying#                              / 
 512      940 1 1 a    21  I ^think that`s :really                            / 
 512      950 1 1 b    11  and "^y\es#                                        / 
 512      960 2 1 b    21  I`m *^I`m .                                        / 
 512      970 1 1 a    20  *((some sylls)) ( . chuckles)*                     / 
 512      960 1 1(b    11  "!going 'on* from !th\at#                          / 
 512      980 1 2 b    11  ((I mean)) *^that`s a* - a!nother 'factor a:g\ain# / 
 512      980 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 512      990 1 1 ?e   11  *^[/\m]#*                                          / 
 512     1000 1 1 b    11  ^Sunday :m\orning#                                 / 
 512     1010 1 1 b    11  ^[?]\/actually#                                    / 
 512     1020 1 1 b    11  was ^pretty !g\ood as a wh/ole# - .                / 
 512     1030 1 2 b    11  [@:m] . ^Captain 'Noah - - . '[w@z] .              / 
 512     1030 1 1 b    11  '[?]al:r\/ight#                                    / 
 512     1040 1 2 b    12  I ^think it ^[?]I !think 'we just :needed to ":d\/o/ 
 512     1040 1 1 b    12  it#                                                / 
 512     1050 1 1 f    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     1060 2 1 f    21  *it was ^better than 'our :pr\evious*              / 
 512     1070 1 1 b    11  *^in a 'different !s\ort of 'way#*                 / 
 512     1060 1 1(f    11  'Captain 'Noahs ((I th/ink))#                      / 
 512     1080 1 1 b    11  "^y\es#                                            / 
 512     1090 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     1100 1 1 b    12  ^I mean it ![kei] . ^y\es#                         / 
 512     1110 1 1 b    11  I ^((mean from the)) !m\usical 'point of 'view#    / 
 512     1120 1 1 b    11  it ^wasn`t _bad at !\all# .                        / 
 512     1130 1 3 b    13  [@?] ^I !think [?] ^I ((mean)) ^I ((did)) 'think   / 
 512     1130 1 2 b    13  '[dhi] - ((I mean ^this)) - - ((1 syll)) p\/artly  / 
 512     1130 1 1 b    13  'reckon# .                                         / 
 512     1140 1 3 b    11  to ^th/is [@m] -                                   / 
 512     1140 1 2 b    11  ^I think !\actually 'doing much 'more in the 'way  / 
 512     1140 1 1 b    11  of prod/uction#                                    / 
 512     1150 1 1 b    11  in^volving ch\ildren#                              / 
 512     1160 1 1 b    11  ^as we 'did with ((the)) Horrort\orio# -           / 
 512     1170 1 1 b    11  ^is 'much 'more suc:cessful 'way of d\oing#        / 
 512     1180 1 1 b    11  a ^piece "like ":th\/at#                           / 
 512     1190 1 2 b    11  but ^that`s 'not 'coming from the :musical 'side   / 
 512     1190 1 1 b    11  ((of it par!t\icularly))# -                        / 
 512     1200 1 1 b    11  and ((it)) ^s\/imply#                              / 
 512     1210 1 1 b    11  would ^take l/onger#                               / 
 512     1220 1 1 b    11  to ^do it 'that w\ay#                              / 
 512     1230 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     1240 1 1 b    11  ^and I !think the 'Horror:t\/orios#                / 
 512     1250 1 1 b    11  ((which)) ^came /off ((1 syll))#                   / 
 512     1260 1 1 b    11  ((you ^kn/ow#))                                    / 
 512     1270 1 1 b    11  ^very "!w\ell# .                                   / 
 512     1280 1 1 b    12  the ^kids - ((well)) ^c\ertainly# .                / 
 512     1290 1 1 b    11  ^the !kids 'we kn/ow#                              / 
 512     1300 1 1 b    11  ^who were !\at it# -                               / 
 512     1310 1 1 b    11  re^member it !v\ery 'much#                         / 
 512     1320 1 1 b    11  be^cause 'they . w\ere much 'more inv/olved#       / 
 512     1330 1 1 b    11  and ^many more 'things !h\appened#                 / 
 512     1340 1 1 f    11  ^\/al'so#                                          / 
 512     1350 1 1 f    11  ((we had)) a ^much 'bigger :\audience#             / 
 512     1360 1 1 f    21  I ^mean I _thought                                 / 
 512     1370 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     1380 1 1 b    11  ^qu\ite#                                           / 
 512     1390 1 1 d    11  ^[\mhm]# .                                         / 
 512     1400 1 1 ?f   20  *((2 or 3 sylls))*                                 / 
 512     1410 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 512     1420 1 1 b    11  it was a* ^v\ery 'small _audience#                 / 
 512     1430 1 1 b    11  ^[tu] - d\o 'anything _to#                         / 
 512     1440 1 2 e    11  ^dis'counting _[mem] . _children of _members of    / 
 512     1440 1 1 e    11  *the ch/oir#*                                      / 
 512     1450 1 1 f    11  *^[g\o7ng]#                                        / 
 512     1460 1 1 f    11  ^qu\ite#*                                          / 
 512     1470 1 2(e    21  I ^mean it was a!bout . !three *or* !f\our +w/asn`t/ 
 512     1470 1 1(e    21  it ((4 or 5 sylls))+                               / 
 512     1480 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     1490 1 1 b    11  +^that`s r\ight#+                                  / 
 512     1500 1 1 a    11  +^y/\es#                                           / 
 512     1510 1 2 f    11  ((and)) I ^actually 'spent this+ 'afternoon        / 
 512     1510 1 1 f    11  'singing 'singing the :r\ainbow 'bit#              / 
 512     1520 1 1 f    11  to ^Jamie`s sch/ool#                               / 
 512     1530 1 1 f    11  [?]and ^they were w/\onderful#                     / 
 512     1540 1 2 f    13  ^they !all . ^they !all '[dzho7] ^they`ll !all g\ot/ 
 512     1540 1 1 f    13  it#                                                / 
 512     1550 1 1 f    11  ^by the !end of the 'first time thr\ough#          / 
 512     1560 1 2 f    11  ^they were !all *'join*ing /in ((and this +sort+ of/ 
 512     1560 1 1 f    11  *thing# -                                          / 
 512     1570 1 1 f    11  you ^kn/ow#))*                                     / 
 512     1580 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     1590 1 1 ?e   11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     1600 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]# - - *                                      / 
 512     1610 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 512     1620 1 1 f    11  but there were ((a ^l\ot of)) them of c/ourse#     / 
 512     1630 1 1 f    11  **who ^d\idn`t#                                    / 
 512     1640 1 2 f    11  ^so you could +:actually+ ** !sort of - !d\o       / 
 512     1640 1 1 f    11  *'something#*                                      / 
 512     1650 1 1 ?e   11  **^[\m]# -                                         / 
 512     1660 1 1 ?e   11  ^[\m]#**                                           / 
 512     1670 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+ - -                                       / 
 512     1680 1 1 b    11  *^\even'song* - 'went _very n/\icely#              / 
 512     1690 1 1 b    11  ^I th/ought#                                       / 
 512     1700 1 1 b    11  de^spite _my s/inging# -                           / 
 512     1710 1 1 ?    20  *( . sniffy laugh)*                                / 
 512     1720 1 1(b    11  *[@:m]* ^y\es#                                     / 
 512     1730 1 1 b    11  ((there)) . ^(([ei])) 'small 'group of p/eople#    / 
 512     1740 1 2 b    12  ^[?]and . and ^I was dis!cussing 'this with 'Gill  / 
 512     1740 1 1 b    12  :y\esterday#                                       / 
 512     1750 1 1 b    11  as to ^why 'that - . :was "!g\ood#                 / 
 512     1760 1 1 b    21  ^I mean I think it !!w\as * .                      / 
 512     1770 1 1 b    11  ((didn`t you think it was)) ^g/ood#*               / 
 512     1780 1 1 ?d   11  *^[/m]# - *                                        / 
 512     1790 1 1 ?d   11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 512     1800 1 1 ?d   20  ((several sylls))                                  / 
 512     1810 2 2 e    21  well ^I 'thought ((the 'most)) 'satis'fying from   / 
 512     1810 2 1 e    21  :m\y *((point of view several sylls))*             / 
 512     1820 1 1 b    11  *it was . it was ^s\atisfying to d/o#*             / 
 512     1810 1 1(e    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     1830 1 1 ?    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 512     1840 1 1 ?    11  +((^qu\ite#))+                                     / 
 512     1850 1 1 b    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 512     1860 1 1 b    11  ^and it ((was)) a :sm\all number of p/eople#       / 
 512     1870 1 1 b    11  ^actually "!!v\/ery 'little re'hearsal#            / 
 512     1880 1 2 b    11  but I mean I ^think 'everybody had . :w\/orked at  / 
 512     1880 1 1 b    11  it# .                                              / 
 512     1890 1 1 e    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     1900 1 1 b    11  ^=and [@?m]# -                                     / 
 512     1910 1 1 b    11  ^there was a !lot of enj\oyment from _doing# -     / 
 512     1920 1 1 b    11  ^something 'fairly 'small sc/ale 'like 'that#      / 
 512     1930 1 1 b    11  ^pretty !w\ell# -                                  / 
 512     1940 1 2 b    12  ^which 'is - ^which is en!c\ouraging 'let us _say# / 
 512     1940 1 1 b    12  -                                                  / 
 512     1950 1 1 b    11  [@:m] . ^coming 'back to the 'Saturday :\evening#  / 
 512     1960 1 2 b    12  ^well ((there`s)) the ^basic 'problems as we       / 
 512     1960 1 1 b    12  :kn\ow# - .                                        / 
 512     1970 1 2 b    12  ^are - !getting '[dhi:] - - . [@?m] ^well there are/ 
 512     1970 1 1 b    12  v\arious 'factors# .                               / 
 512     1980 1 1 b    11  at^t\endance {^\at re'hearsals#}# -                / 
 512     1990 1 1 b    11  ^we kn/ow# -                                       / 
 512     2000 1 2 b    11  ^but . 'I mean [?] we`re !n\ever 'going to _get a  / 
 512     2000 1 1 b    11  re_hearsal _schedule#                              / 
 512     2010 1 2 b    11  ^where we`re 'going to get 'everyone at 'every     / 
 512     2010 1 1 b    11  re:h\earsal# -                                     / 
 512     2020 2 1 b    21  [@?m] . *^it .                                     / 
 512     2030 1 1 a    11  *^n/\o#                                            / 
 512     2040 1 1 a    20  ((several sylls))*                                 / 
 512     2020 1 1(b    11  !simply 'doesn`t* !w\ork 'like 'that#              / 
 512     2050 1 1 b    11  but ^when they`re 'so _strung /out# -              / 
 512     2060 1 2 b    12  ^it`s very 'hard to get a 'sense 'of - - ^it`s     / 
 512     2060 1 1 b    12  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 512     2070 1 1 b    11  ^no it`s !!not - 'very h\ard# .                    / 
 512     2080 1 1 b    11  ((it`s)) ^d\ifficult let us s/ay#                  / 
 512     2090 1 1 b    11  to ^get [?]a "s\ense 'of# .                        / 
 512     2100 1 1 b    11  "^[?]urgency '[?]early \/on# - .                   / 
 512     2110 1 1 b    11  [@m] "^\into 'people# -                            / 
 512     2120 1 2 b    11  [@?m] - the the ^feeling that there :is ((a))      / 
 512     2120 1 1 b    11  'concert !((\imminent))#                           / 
 512     2130 1 1 b    11  cos ^if you`re d\oing#                             / 
 512     2140 1 1 b    11  ^((1 syll 1 syll '1 syll)) 'couple of :m/onths#    / 
 512     2150 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not \imminent# .                             / 
 512     2160 1 1 b    11  it ^\is /actually#                                 / 
 512     2170 1 1 b    11  in the ^number of re!h\earsals we`ve 'got#         / 
 512     2180 2 1 b    21  but ^not 'in                                       / 
 512     2190 1 1 ?e   11  ^[/\m]#                                            / 
 512     2180 1 1(b    11  ^just 'in :sort of !c\alendar 'terms#              / 
 512     2200 1 1 b    11  ((which is)) a ^pr\oblem# - - [@:m] - - - ( - sigh)/ 
 512     2210 1 1 d    11  ^is the 'problem th/ere#                           / 
 512     2220 1 1 d    11  ((be^cause of)) the 'break in the :m\iddle# .      / 
 512     2230 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     2240 1 1 b    11  ^that !certainly 'doesn`t :h\/elp# - * .           / 
 512     2250 1 1 b    21  it`s ^all*                                         / 
 512     2260 1 2 d    11  *I ^mean there was a* !feeling be"!f\ore the       / 
 512     2260 1 1 d    11  'break#                                            / 
 512     2270 1 1 d    11  that it was a "^long 'way :\/off# .                / 
 512     2280 1 1 b    11  **^y\eah#**                                        / 
 512     2290 1 1(d    11  **((and)) ^then** you 'have a "br\/eak#            / 
 512     2300 1 1 d    11  and ^everything "sags /\any'way#                   / 
 512     2310 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     2320 1 1 d    11  and ((then)) ^after the br/eak#                    / 
 512     2330 1 1 d    11  +it`s+ ^on !t\op of you#                           / 
 512     2340 1 1 ?e   11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     2350 1 1 b    11  *^y\es# .                                          / 
 512     2360 1 1 b    11  ^that`s r\ight#*                                   / 
 512     2370 1 1 f    11  *^is there not 'also* a 'practical :pr\oblem#      / 
 512     2380 1 2 f    11  ((in)) ^that if you !have . a re'hearsal '[?]every / 
 512     2380 1 1 f    11  w\eek# - -                                         / 
 512     2390 1 1 f    11  you miss ^one reh\earsal# - .                      / 
 512     2400 1 2 f    11  ^you _don`t - . !sing the 'music with '[?]anybody  / 
 512     2400 1 1 f    11  ":\else# -                                         / 
 512     2410 1 1 f    11  ^which is "!not taking into acc/ount#              / 
 512     2420 1 1 f    11  ^private pr\actice#                                / 
 512     2430 1 1 f    11  ^which is a!n\other 'matter#                       / 
 512     2440 2 1 f    20  *but [@] . *                                       / 
 512     2450 1 1 ?d   11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 512     2440 1 1(f    10  ^just in 'terms of 'actual re"!h\earsal you 'do# - / 
 512     2460 1 1 f    11  you ^miss "\/one 'week# -                          / 
 512     2470 1 2 f    11  ^so that you 'don`t sing 'anything for !tw\/o      / 
 512     2470 1 1 f    11  'weeks# -                                          / 
 512     2480 1 1 ?d   11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     2490 1 2 f    11  and ^with a !programme 'like Saint 'Mark`s which   / 
 512     2490 1 1 f    11  has 'got :{l\ots} of 'different :p\/ieces 'in#     / 
 512     2500 1 2 f    11  ^that !may 'well 'mean that :some of it you 'don`t / 
 512     2500 1 1 f    11  sing for "!thr\ee# .                               / 
 512     2510 1 1 ?d   11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     2520 1 3(f    11  *^if you`ve* "!th\en 'got .                        / 
 512     2520 1 2(f    11  I ^mean we !don`t "!!h\ave to 'take that 'half .   / 
 512     2520 1 1(f    11  'term w/eek 'off#                                  / 
 512     2530 1 1 f    11  I ^mean as it !happened :w\/e were in 'London#     / 
 512     2540 1 1 f    11  it`s ^just that "!\/usually#                       / 
 512     2550 1 1 f    11  ^there !are "!s\/uch a 'crop of 'people#           / 
 512     2560 1 1 f    11  par"^t\/icularly#                                  / 
 512     2570 1 1 f    11  "^th\/at 'half 'term '((week))#                    / 
 512     2580 1 2 f    12  I ^mean . [?] the !winter . the ^two w\/inter      / 
 512     2580 1 1 f    12  'terms#                                            / 
 512     2590 1 1 f    11  they ^tend to be "!st\aggered a 'lot 'more# -      / 
 512     2600 1 1 f    11  but ^that 'sort of :Whitsun w/eek#                 / 
 512     2610 1 1 f    11  "^d\/oes 'tend to be a 'week#                      / 
 512     2620 1 3 f    12  ^where[?] - (([?m])) !most [?] . a a "^lot of .    / 
 512     2620 1 2 f    12  'members of the 'choir with 'families :\/are a'way#/ 
 512     2620 1 1 f    12  .                                                  / 
 512     2630 1 2 f    11  and ^there'fore - . !it "!generally :tended to be  / 
 512     2630 1 1 f    11  dis:p\iriting#                                     / 
 512     2640 1 1 f    11  for ^those who were !l\eft# -                      / 
 512     2650 1 1 f    11  [@?m] - - . but ^that m/eans#                      / 
 512     2660 1 1 f    11  that ^somebody _might !very :\easily# - -          / 
 512     2670 1 1 f    11  ^not . 'do 'some 'pieces for a m\onth# .           / 
 512     2680 1 1 ?b   20  ((3 to 4 sylls))                                   / 
 512     2690 1 1 f    11  ^and un"!l\/ess 'people# .                         / 
 512     2700 1 2 f    11  ^make . tre"!m\endously 'concentrated 'efforts to  / 
 512     2700 1 1 f    11  _practise at 'home# - -                            / 
 512     2710 1 1 f    12  [@:m] - - ^you - - - it ^is !very !d\ifficult#     / 
 512     2720 1 2 f    11  ^to re_tain - !what 'you 'have 'practised a        / 
 512     2720 1 1 f    11  :m\/onth a'go#                                     / 
 512     2730 1 1 f    11  and ^come b/ack#                                   / 
 512     2740 1 1 f    11  and ^pick !up !where you _left "!!\off#            / 
 512     2750 1 2 f    11  ^there is "!b\ound to have 'been a {^tailing       / 
 512     2750 1 1 f    11  \off#}#                                            / 
 512     2760 1 1 f    11  and you`ve "^b\asically {^got to "!st\art#}#       / 
 512     2770 1 1 f    11  ^if 'not from the :b\ottom of the 'curve a'gain#   / 
 512     2780 1 1 f    11  well then at ^least !from h/alf'way *\up#*         / 
 512     2790 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#* -                                         / 
 512     2800 1 2(f    11  and ^so you`re sort of _taking !two 'steps 'forward/ 
 512     2800 1 1(f    11  and _one _step !b\ack#                             / 
 512     2810 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 512     2820 1 2 b    12  well ^if it ^if *!one 'tightens 'up the*           / 
 512     2820 1 1 b    12  :sch\/edule#                                       / 
 512     2830 1 1 f    11  *^all the !t\ime#* -                               / 
 512     2840 1 1(b    11  +((^just en"!c\/ourages)) '((2 sylls))# -          / 
 512     2850 1 1 b    11  it ((^just _simply 'isn`t so :l\ong#))+ - -        / 
 512     2860 1 1 b    11  *^[/m]#*                                           / 
 512     2870 1 2 f    11  +^whereas !if you 'hold (('different)) re'hearsals / 
 512     2870 1 1 f    11  'close to:g\/ether#                                / 
 512     2880 1 1 f    11  and you+ ^still 'miss (('three)) re:h\/earsals#    / 
 512     2890 1 1 f    11  you *^kn/ow#*                                      / 
 512     2900 1 2 f    11  if you`re ^doing a :Tues'day and a :Thurs'day and  / 
 512     2900 1 1 f    11  the :following :T\/ues'day# - -                    / 
 512     2910 1 1 f    11  ^chances :\are#                                    / 
 512     2920 1 1 f    11  that you`ll ^make "!\/one 'of them#                / 
 512     2930 1 2 f    11  and ^so at !least you 'won`t _have _this _this     / 
 512     2930 1 1 f    11  ":yawning ":g\ap#                                  / 
 512     2940 1 2 f    11  ^which _happens be_cause you`ve _got a !strung 'out/ 
 512     2940 1 1 f    11  reh/earsal 'schedule#                              / 
 512     2950 1 2 f    11  and ^then *!somebody* _has the mis_fortune to _miss/ 
 512     2950 1 1 f    11  _two in a !!r\ow# -                                / 
 512     2960 1 1 b    11  *^[\/m]#*                                          / 
 512     2970 1 2(f    13  ^I !think ^I !think 'that was _very . ^very        / 
 512     2970 1 1(f    13  "!r\elevant#                                       / 
 512     2980 1 3 f    11  be^cause it . "!pulls 'back the 'standards for     / 
 512     2980 1 2 f    11  everybody "!\else 'when a 'few 'people have d/one  / 
 512     2980 1 1 f    11  'that#                                             / 
 512     2990 1 2 f    11  and ^so the !whole !th\/ing 'gets 'sort of - .     / 
 512     2990 1 1 f    11  *'snarled 'up#                                     / 
 512     3000 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]# .                                          / 
 512     3010 1 1 b    22  well ^this is ^this is ((the 'matter of))*         / 
 512     3020 1 1(f    11  and ^then _people _start th=inking#*               / 
 512     3030 1 1 f    11  well ^God you kn/ow#                               / 
 512     3040 1 1 f    11  ^why should _I b/other#                            / 
 512     3050 2 1 f    21  if ^so and _so`s +_been+                           / 
 512     3060 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     3050 1 1(f    11  aw/ay for _three _weeks#                           / 
 512     3070 1 1 f    11  and ^they don`t 'know it \either# -                / 
 512     3080 1 1 f    11  ^you !get a 'sort of :kn\ock on ef'fect#           / 
 512     3090 1 1 f    12  in ^that in *^th/\at 'way#*                        / 
 512     3100 1 1 b    11  *^y=es#                                            / 
 512     3110 1 2 b    11  [@m] I* ^think the :{s\ymptoms 'are} - - :cl\/ear# / 
 512     3110 1 1 b    11  - -                                                / 
 512     3120 1 1 d    20  +( - clears throat)+                               / 
 512     3130 1 1(b    11  +but [dh@] I ^m=ean#+                              / 
 512     3140 1 1 b    11  we`re ^what we`re !talking a_bout is sol\utions#   / 
 512     3150 1 1 b    11  ^as to !what we 'do :n\ext 'time#                  / 
 512     3160 1 2 b    23  ^I mean !I ![thi] ^I !think 'we 'know we ^\all     / 
 512     3160 1 1 b    23  'know -                                            / 
 512     3170 1 1 d    11  I ^think there`s *'one more in:gr\edient#*         / 
 512     3180 1 1 b    10  *((_what goes _wrong#))* .                         / 
 512     3190 1 1 b    11  "^y/es#                                            / 
 512     3200 1 1 d    11  as ^I . [@b] . obs/\erve it#                       / 
 512     3210 1 2 d    12  ((and)) ^that is that . there ^are - - - sort of   / 
 512     3210 1 1 d    12  !{tw\o} . ap:pr\oaches . {to ^s\inging#}#          / 
 512     3220 1 2 d    11  the ^people who 'like to come 'once a week to      / 
 512     3220 1 1 d    11  ":s\/ing# - -                                      / 
 512     3230 1 1 d    11  ((and)) ^people who would for !pr\/eference#       / 
 512     3240 1 1 d    11  ^work 'up to a 'concert 'just bef/ore it#          / 
 512     3250 1 1 d    11  and ^work h\ard#                                   / 
 512     3260 1 1 d    11  in a ^couple of !w\eeks# -                         / 
 512     3270 1 1 c    11  ^[\m]# -                                           / 
 512     3280 2 1 d    21  and the ^choir *((is made up of))*                 / 
 512     3290 1 1 ?    11  *((it ^is for :y\ou#))*                            / 
 512     3280 1 1(d    11  !both of those 'sorts of +p\eople#+                / 
 512     3300 1 1 b    11  +^that`s r\ight#+                                  / 
 512     3310 1 1 c    11  ^y\eahp# -                                         / 
 512     3320 1 1 d    11  and they ^don`t !!fit to!!g\ether very w/ell#      / 
 512     3330 1 1 d    11  ((I mean ^I`m)) 'not (('talking)) "p/ersonally#    / 
 512     3340 1 1 d    11  or ^or . !m\/usically#                             / 
 512     3350 1 2 d    11  but ^they ((I dunno)) the !actual ap"!pr\oach      / 
 512     3350 1 1 d    11  doesn`t 'fit very _well#                           / 
 512     3360 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     3370 1 2 b    11  I ^think there *!\is* a 'lot of 'truth {in         / 
 512     3370 1 1 b    11  ^th\at#}#                                          / 
 512     3380 1 1 a    11  *^\oh#*                                            / 
 512     3390 1 1 a    11  +^[=m]#+                                           / 
 512     3400 1 1 d    11  +^/and#+ - - .                                     / 
 512     3410 1 1 d    11  it`s ^not the /\only 'problem#                     / 
 512     3420 1 1 d    21  but it`s ^certain'ly                               / 
 512     3430 1 1 b    11  it`s al^r\ight#                                    / 
 512     3440 1 1 b    11  you ^won`t m\iss any'thing#                        / 
 512     3450 1 1 a    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     3460 1 1 d    11  ^it contr\ibutes# -                                / 
 512     3470 1 2 d    11  [@:] I ^don`t know what the 'answer to th/at one   / 
 512     3470 1 1 d    11  \is#                                               / 
 512     3480 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     3490 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     3500 1 1 a    11  ^can you . *pr\/ecis* 'that {^f/or me#}#           / 
 512     3510 1 1 b    11  *^n\o#                                             / 
 512     3520 1 1 b    21  ^that`s* -                                         / 
 512     3530 1 2 d    11  ((there are)) ^some 'people who :like to 'come     / 
 512     3530 1 1 d    11  :once a 'week just to s\/ing#                      / 
 512     3540 1 1 ?a   11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     3550 1 1 d    11  ^\/almost#                                         / 
 512     3560 1 1 d    11  to an ^\evening 'class# -                          / 
 512     3570 1 1 d    20  *((and))* .                                        / 
 512     3580 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 512     3590 1 1 a    11  and ^not necessarily 'working tow\ards anything#   / 
 512     3600 1 1 d    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 512     3610 1 2 d    11  ((but there are)) ^those who 'like to 'come [t] to / 
 512     3610 1 1 d    11  a !few re'hearsals be:fore a :c\oncert#            / 
 512     3620 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]# .                                           / 
 512     3630 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     3640 1 1 d    11  and we ^have !both 'sorts of :p\eople#             / 
 512     3650 1 1 a    11  ^y=es#                                             / 
 512     3660 1 1 d    11  ^in the 'choir at the :m\oment#                    / 
 512     3670 1 1 a    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 512     3680 1 1 b    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 512     3690 1 1 d    12  in ^in . ^in sub"stantial "n\umbers I 'think# - -  / 
 512     3700 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# -                                           / 
 512     3710 2 1 b    22  and ^I [dhi] [?@] *and ^[?]and*                    / 
 512     3720 1 1 d    11  *((we ^m/ayn`t#))*                                 / 
 512     3710 1 1(b    12  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     3730 1 1 b    11  it`s ^not 'even as _clear as !th\at#               / 
 512     3740 1 1 d    11  +^well n\o#                                        / 
 512     3750 1 1 d    20  ((we))+                                            / 
 512     3760 1 2(b    10  +((several sylls))+                                / 
 512     3760 1 1(b    10  be^cause there are _people - ^s\/ome 'people#      / 
 512     3770 1 2 b    12  ^who ^who - 'are :{v\ery 'much} !wedded to their   / 
 512     3770 1 1 b    12  :T\/ues'days#                                      / 
 512     3780 2 1 b    21  ^who _definitely !\are -                           / 
 512     3790 1 1 d    20  ( . laughs)                                        / 
 512     3800 1 1 a    20  *( - laughs)*                                      / 
 512     3780 1 1(b    11  *[@:] 'working 'up to* a c/oncert# -               / 
 512     3810 1 1 b    11  ^but y\es#                                         / 
 512     3820 1 1 b    11  ^I agr\ee#                                         / 
 512     3830 1 1 b    11  [in] [en] en^t\irely#                              / 
 512     3840 1 1 b    11  as as a ^general 'obser!v\ation# - .               / 
 512     3850 1 1 b    21  and the "^\other                                   / 
 512     3860 1 1 b    11  the "^\other 'comment#                             / 
 512     3870 1 1 b    11  in sort of "^p\/ost'mortem - {^t/erms#}#           / 
 512     3880 1 2 b    11  was ^((in)) re'lation to the :sectional            / 
 512     3880 1 1 b    11  reh\earsals# -                                     / 
 512     3890 1 2 b    11  ^which 'actually 'did seem to be very \useful /I   / 
 512     3890 1 1 b    11  'think# -                                          / 
 512     3900 1 1 ?f   11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     3910 1 3 b    11  and ^m/ore                                         / 
 512     3910 1 2 b    11  ^more than 'sectional re'hearsals 'have been       / 
 512     3910 1 1 b    11  !pr\/eviously#                                     / 
 512     3920 1 1 d    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     3930 1 2 g    13  well ^why was ^why was it 'not on ^what about the  / 
 512     3930 1 1 g    13  c\oncert#                                          / 
 512     3940 1 2 g    11  ^why ((did)) 'that not _make it _have an ef'fect on/ 
 512     3940 1 1 g    11  the c\oncert 'then# .                              / 
 512     3950 1 1 b    11  ^too 'far a!w\ay#                                  / 
 512     3960 1 1 e    11  ^[\m]# .                                           / 
 512     3970 1 1 e    11  ^too "\early# - -                                  / 
 512     3980 1 1 ?d   11  it ^s/\urely#                                      / 
 512     3990 2 1 ?d   21  ^wouldn`t have *(('done))*                         / 
 512     4000 1 1 b    11  *^but* 'they "sh\/ould be 'early#                  / 
 512     3990 1 1 ?d   11  +"^y/\es#                                          / 
 512     4010 1 1 ?d   21  ((there)) the ^n\/ote 'bashing ((several sylls))+  / 
 512     4020 1 1(b    11  +^r\/eally# .                                      / 
 512     4030 1 1 ?    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 512     4040 1 1 b    11  this is a^n\/other+ 'problem#                      / 
 512     4050 1 1 b    11  a^g\ain#                                           / 
 512     4060 1 1 b    11  because "^\/I 'feel#                               / 
 512     4070 1 1 b    11  the ^whole 'thing is strung \out 'too 'far#        / 
 512     4080 1 1 d    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     4090 1 1 b    11  ^now I !know . y\/ou for 'instance#                / 
 512     4100 1 2 b    12  ^don`t 'like . I I ((mean)) ^y\ou`re 'rather       / 
 512     4100 1 1 b    12  'k/een#                                            / 
 512     4110 1 1 b    11  ^on the !T\uesday - . {^p\attern#}# .              / 
 512     4120 1 1 g    11  "^n/o# -                                           / 
 512     4130 1 1 g    11  ^not par!t\icularly#                               / 
 512     4140 1 1 g    12  I ^mean . you ^kn\ow#                              / 
 512     4150 1 1 g    11  ^with Bel!l\ini#                                   / 
 512     4160 2 1 g    21  ^we _do *e!x\actly* the 'sort of                   / 
 512     4170 1 1 b    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 512     4160 1 1(g    11  th/ing#                                            / 
 512     4180 2 2 g    21  that ^you`re - tr\ying ((to))                      / 
 512     4180 2 1 g    21  I ^mean it !really 'doesn`t :matter to 'me         / 
 512     4190 1 1 b    11  ^[\/m]#                                            / 
 512     4180 1 1(g    11  !either !w\ay# -                                   / 
 512     4200 1 1 b    11  ^y\/eah#                                           / 
 512     4210 1 1 g    12  ^I !just 'feel ^like !\Edward#                     / 
 512     4220 1 1 g    12  ^there 'are - ^I feel 'very !str\ongly#            / 
 512     4230 1 1 g    11  that ^if the !I T 'C is :\/any'thing#              / 
 512     4240 1 1 g    11  it ^almost !\is a b/and of 'people#                / 
 512     4250 1 1 g    11  who ^do like to !come every !T\uesday# .           / 
 512     4260 2 1 g    21  *^and*                                             / 
 512     4270 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#* .                                         / 
 512     4260 1 1(g    11  and ^that`s !f\ine#                                / 
 512     4280 1 1 g    11  to ^get !r\id of it#                               / 
 512     4290 1 2 g    11  as ^long as we !realise what we`re 'getting !r\id  / 
 512     4290 1 1 g    11  of#                                                / 
 512     4300 1 1 g    11  "^that`s 'all */\I* 'mean#                         / 
 512     4310 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     4320 2 1(g    21  ^it +![?]ac+tually *doesn`t* 'matter               / 
 512     4330 1 1 ?a   11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     4340 1 1 b    11  *"^y\es#*                                          / 
 512     4320 1 1(g    11  to me at \all#                                     / 
 512     4350 1 1 g    12  ^don`t . ^don`t get me wr\ong#                     / 
 512     4360 2 1 g    21  ^I ((you know)) +'quite .                          / 
 512     4370 1 1 b    11  +"^ok\ay#+                                         / 
 512     4360 1 1(g    11  I`d+ ^almost pre!f\er to 'come in a# .             / 
 512     4380 1 1 g    11  ^in a bl\ock# .                                    / 
 512     4390 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# .                                           / 
 512     4400 1 1 b    11  I mean "^I [?] - [@m] pre":s\/ume#                 / 
 512     4410 1 2 b    11  we can ^go on to con'clusions to !dr\aw from it    / 
 512     4410 1 1 b    11  G/illian#                                          / 
 512     4420 3 1 b    21  ^rather than                                       / 
 512     4430 1 1 a    11  ^[/mhm]#                                           / 
 512     4420 2 1(b    21  I mean *^I ^I`m*                                   / 
 512     4440 1 1 a    11  *"^[/\m]#*                                         / 
 512     4450 1 1 a    11  "^[/\m]#                                           / 
 512     4420 1 1 b    11  cos ^th\/at`s what m\atters# - [@:m]               / 
 512     4460 1 1 a    11  ^abso:l\utely#                                     / 
 512     4470 1 1 b    13  ^the - ^I mean the ![o7] [??] the ^two ex:tr\emes# / 
 512     4480 1 1 b    11  ^are !either 'just doing :T\uesdays#               / 
 512     4490 1 2 b    11  and ^then a !c\oncert or 'two ((1 syll as w/ell#)) / 
 512     4490 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 512     4500 1 1 b    11  "^[?]\/or {if you`re ^d\/oing#}#                   / 
 512     4510 1 2 b    11  a "^bunch 'of - 'five or six re'hearsals in 'two   / 
 512     4510 1 1 b    11  !w\eeks# -                                         / 
 512     4520 1 1 b    11  ^which 'might _be - 'difficult to :\/organise#     / 
 512     4530 1 1 b    11  [?]and the ^c\/ompro'mise#                         / 
 512     4540 1 1 b    11  ^is to - sort of "!t\ake# - -                      / 
 512     4550 1 1 b    11  a ^number of :T\/uesdays#                          / 
 512     4560 1 1 b    11  and ^fill 'in - !b\its# .                          / 
 512     4570 1 1 b    11  ^in be!tw\een#                                     / 
 512     4580 1 1 b    11  the ^odd extra d/ay#                               / 
 512     4590 1 1 b    11  ^per w\eek#                                        / 
 512     4600 1 2 g    12  "^that`s what we`re . you`re *^doing for* !next    / 
 512     4600 1 1 g    12  t\ime#                                             / 
 512     4610 1 1 g    11  ^y/eah# .                                          / 
 512     4620 1 1 g    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     4630 1 1 a    11  *^y\eah#*                                          / 
 512     4640 1 1 b    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 512     4650 1 1 b    20  it [@m]                                            / 
 512     4660 1 1 g    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     4670 1 1 a    11  it`s a ^c\ompro'mise *((I th/ink#))*               / 
 512     4680 1 1 b    11  *it ^is* a :c\/ompro'mise#                         / 
 512     4690 1 2 b    12  ^and [@m] ^compro'mises are 'always _something that/ 
 512     4690 1 1 b    12  w\orry me# -                                       / 
 512     4700 1 1 d    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 512     4710 1 1 b    11  [@:m] you +^kn/ow# .                               / 
 512     4720 1 1 b    11  ^ipso f\acto#+                                     / 
 512     4730 1 1 a    11  *^w\/ell#*                                         / 
 512     4740 1 2 g    11  +^but [@] I *!think* the 'I T C "!!h\as+ to be     / 
 512     4740 1 1 g    11  'something of a 'compromise#                       / 
 512     4750 1 1 g    11  cos ^as _Edward !!s\aid#                           / 
 512     4760 1 2 g    21  it ^is . _made _up of *(('different . 2 to 3       / 
 512     4760 1 1 g    21  sylls))*                                           / 
 512     4770 1 1 a    11  *((^[\m]#))*                                       / 
 512     4780 1 1 b    11  *^y\es# .                                          / 
 512     4790 1 1 b    12  [@m] ^if it ^if it`s a suc!c\/essful* 'compromise# / 
 512     4800 1 1 b    11  ^that`s "!f\ine#                                   / 
 512     4810 2 1 b    20  but I +mean+                                       / 
 512     4820 1 1 ?f   11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     4810 1 2(b    10  ^compromises 'by their 'nature :normally "!\aren`t#/ 
 512     4810 1 1(b    10  -                                                  / 
 512     4830 1 1 d    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     4840 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - - but I ^think it`s 'probably [@] ((I))    / 
 512     4840 1 1 b    11  ^st\ill 'think "pr/actically#                      / 
 512     4850 1 1 b    11  it`s ^probably the !best _thing to !d\o#           / 
 512     4860 1 2 b    12  ^what [@] ^what - . 'Gill and 'I were :\/also      / 
 512     4860 1 1 b    12  dis'cussing y\esterday#                            / 
 512     4870 1 1 b    11  I ^think is 'quite - 'im:p\/ortant#                / 
 512     4880 1 2 b    11  that if we "^d\o a . a sort of {^bunch of          / 
 512     4880 1 1 b    11  reh\earsals#}# .                                   / 
 512     4890 1 1 b    11  ^based on T\uesdays 'say#                          / 
 512     4900 1 1 ?    11  ((^y\es#))                                         / 
 512     4910 1 2 b    12  ^I !think there are . the ^schedule for the !n\ext / 
 512     4910 1 1 b    12  'one#                                              / 
 512     4920 1 2 b    11  ((2 sylls)) is ^too _far 'strung _out for "!m\y    / 
 512     4920 1 1 b    11  'liking# -                                         / 
 512     4930 1 2 b    12  [@m] - . but ^I`d . ^I`d 'be . !very 'pleased to   / 
 512     4930 1 1 b    12  'hear . 'comments on :th\at# -                     / 
 512     4940 1 1 b    11  ^but !it`s "!very imp/ortant#                      / 
 512     4950 1 1 b    11  ^that . !when we`ve "!d\one a 'concert#            / 
 512     4960 1 1 b    11  ^then there is a "!g\ap#                           / 
 512     4970 1 1 b    11  ^for - for !two or 'three :w\/eeks# -              / 
 512     4980 1 1 b    11  ^so that the !!next . re":h\earsal#                / 
 512     4990 1 1 b    11  ^is very "!d\efinitely#                            / 
 512     5000 1 2 b    11  the be^ginning '[?]of a "!bunch of re_hearsals for / 
 512     5000 1 1 b    11  the 'next c\oncert#                                / 
 512     5010 1 1 f    11  ^[=m]#                                             / 
 512     5020 1 1 b    11  it ^isn`t 'simply 'oh :next 'week`s reh\earsal#    / 
 512     5030 1 1 b    11  ^and sort of !turn /up#                            / 
 512     5040 1 1 b    11  and . ^think 'secondly 'oh what are we !d\oing# -  / 
 512     5050 1 1 b    11  cos there`s a "^c\oncert you`re 'aiming 'at#       / 
 512     5060 1 1 b    11  you ^know what you`re :d\/oing# - .                / 
 512     5070 1 1 b    11  and the ^first re:h\/earsal#                       / 
 512     5080 1 1 b    11  you ^know there`s this !concert 'just coming !\up# / 
 512     5090 2 1 b    21  ^and                                               / 
 512     5100 1 1 ?a   11  ^[\m]# .                                           / 
 512     5090 1 1(b    11  "s\o on#                                           / 
 512     5110 1 1 b    11  ^and the the "\other thing#                        / 
 512     5120 1 1 b    11  ((as)) you ^kn\ow#                                 / 
 512     5130 1 2 b    11  is is ^actually 'getting - [@:m] [?] . :everyone   / 
 512     5130 1 1 b    11  comm\itted#                                        / 
 512     5140 1 1 b    11  ^at [s] sort of :one 'concert ah\ead#              / 
 512     5150 1 1 b    11  com^pl\etely#                                      / 
 512     5160 1 1 b    11  on ^what they`re d/oing#                           / 
 512     5170 1 1 b    11  and ^which reh/earsals they`re 'doing#             / 
 512     5180 1 1 b    12  ^and - [@m] - - you ^kn/ow#                        / 
 512     5190 1 2 b    11  [??] ^we can !actually [??] i:d\/enti'fy the       / 
 512     5190 1 1 b    11  c\oncert {and ((the)) re^h\earsals#}# -            / 
 512     5200 1 1 b    11  for *^th\/at 'concert#                             / 
 512     5210 1 1 b    11  ^much !cl\earer#                                   / 
 512     5220 1 1 b    11  ^[?]if we 'had ((it you know 'all !bunched !\up#))*/ 
 512     5230 1 2 g    14  *^would you . ^going ^going 'on _from . ^going 'on / 
 512     5230 1 1 g    14  _from th\at#*                                      / 
 512     5240 1 1 g    11  ^would you 'be - - ":t\/erribly op'posed# -        / 
 512     5250 1 1 g    11  ^to !when !when one !h/\ad a 'schedule#            / 
 512     5260 1 1 g    11  of of . ^those !more _concen_trated reh/earsals# . / 
 512     5270 1 1 g    11  to ^actually 'stating . ":n\ow#                    / 
 512     5280 1 2 g    11  I mean ^like you 'would in a ":dr\ama for          / 
 512     5280 1 1 g    11  /instance#                                         / 
 512     5290 1 1 g    11  "^wh\at you`re _going to re_hearse#                / 
 512     5300 1 1 g    11  at ^those re!h\earsals#                            / 
 512     5310 1 1 b    11  it ^is 'slightly 'difficult a:g\ain#               / 
 512     5320 1 2 b    12  be^cause [@m] - it ^r\/eally is a 'matter .        / 
 512     5320 1 1 b    12  *^((a/re many 'people 'actually)) g\oing to them#* / 
 512     5330 1 1 g    12  *because ^that . ^that \/actually#                 / 
 512     5340 1 1 g    12  ^[giv] - * the the ^point /is#                     / 
 512     5350 1 1 g    11  that . it ^seems to m\e a'bout th/at#              / 
 512     5360 1 1 g    11  is that ^[?]if you 'actually "st\ate#              / 
 512     5370 1 1 g    11  [?]in ad^v\/ance#                                  / 
 512     5380 2 1 g    21  and "^really *:st\/ick                             / 
 512     5390 1 1 b    20  *[m]*                                              / 
 512     5380 1 1(g    11  to* 'it# .                                         / 
 512     5400 1 1 g    11  then "^[?]/\anybody#                               / 
 512     5410 1 1 g    11  who`s ^missed that reh/earsal#                     / 
 512     5420 1 1 g    11  will ^know e!xactly 'what they`ve *!!m\issed#*     / 
 512     5430 1 1 ?    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     5440 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     5450 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     5460 1 1 b    11  ^y\es# + .                                         / 
 512     5470 1 1 b    13  but ^I [mi:] ^it`s . ^ok/ay#                       / 
 512     5480 1 1 b    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     5490 1 1 b    11  "^f\ine#+                                          / 
 512     5500 1 1 g    11  +and it ^makes a "!!heck of a :d\ifference#+       / 
 512     5510 1 1(b    12  ^I ^I ac!c\/ept 'that# .                           / 
 512     5520 1 2 b    11  but ^is it 'possible to _do it the 'other way      / 
 512     5520 1 1 b    11  ":r\ound#                                          / 
 512     5530 1 1 b    11  ^l=ike#                                            / 
 512     5540 1 2 b    11  for ^me to 'know who`s _going to be _at . the      / 
 512     5540 1 1 b    11  re'hearsals :f\irst#                               / 
 512     5550 1 1 b    11  *((be^fore de"!c\iding#))*                         / 
 512     5560 1 1 a    11  *((^what 1 syll _difference does 'that m\ake#))* - / 
 512     5570 1 1 g    12  *^why does it . ^why does* it :m\atter R/oy#       / 
 512     5580 1 2 g    11  you see ^that`s what 'I . 'I +((2 to 3 sylls)) -   / 
 512     5580 1 1 g    11  you`ve ^always :s\/aid 'that#                      / 
 512     5590 1 1 g    21  ^but - +                                           / 
 512     5600 1 1 f    11  +((look)) ^if you`ve got 'one w\/eek#              / 
 512     5610 1 2 f    12  ^where !five ((out of)) ^four+ out of 'five of the / 
 512     5610 1 1 f    12  :t\/enors are a'way#                               / 
 512     5620 1 2 f    11  there`s ^no 'point re_hearsing the _items _where   / 
 512     5620 1 1 f    11  the *!tenors are !pr\ominent# - *                  / 
 512     5630 1 1 a    11  *well then you ^just !go !!thr\ough it#*           / 
 512     5640 1 1 g    11  * - ^y\eah#                                        / 
 512     5650 3 1 g    22  you ^just . ^just*                                 / 
 512     5660 1 1(a    21  ^just _go !straight +!thr\ough it                  / 
 512     5650 2 1 g    22  +I mean ^that *'very*+ 'rarely                     / 
 512     5670 1 1 a    10  *{^s\urely#}#*+                                    / 
 512     5650 1 1(g    12  [haep] . I ^m=ean# .                               / 
 512     5680 1 2 g    11  to ^h\ave an [ae]                                  / 
 512     5680 1 1 g    11  a ^piece 'where . :one 'part is !so pre:d\/ominant#/ 
 512     5690 1 1 c    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     5700 1 1 g    11  ((I mean)) like ^\alright#                         / 
 512     5710 1 1 g    11  it ^happens 'every 'now and ag/ain#                / 
 512     5720 1 1 g    11  ^d\oesn`t it#                                      / 
 512     5730 2 1 g    20  *like the*                                         / 
 512     5740 1 1 ?    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 512     5730 1 1(g    10  ^Faure R/\equiem or 'something#                    / 
 512     5750 3 1 g    21  where +((there`s))+ ^no 'point                     / 
 512     5760 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     5750 2 1(g    21  'doing wi_thout the '[s@ulu:] .                    / 
 512     5770 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 512     5750 1 1(g    11  *"!p\arts#*                                        / 
 512     5780 1 1 g    11  and "^s\/o 'on# .                                  / 
 512     5790 1 1 g    11  I ^mean !that 'actually is 'quite :r/\are# .       / 
 512     5800 1 1 g    11  ^m\/ost of the +'time#+ * -                        / 
 512     5810 1 1 g    11  who^\/ever`s 'there#*                              / 
 512     5820 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     5830 1 1 a    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 512     5840 1 1 a    11  you ^h\/appy 'with it#*                            / 
 512     5850 1 1 b    11  **^th\/ink 'so#** .                                / 
 512     5860 1 2 g    11  you+ **^have to _carry** _on . ++re_hearsing the   / 
 512     5860 1 1 g    11  !same++ !!th\ing#                                  / 
 512     5870 1 1 b    11  ++^n\o# -                                          / 
 512     5880 1 1 b    11  ((oh ^y\eah#)) .                                   / 
 512     5890 1 1 b    11  ^r\ight#++                                         / 
 512     5900 1 2 f    11  it`s "^where you`ve got 'stuff that`s "spl\it in   / 
 512     5900 1 1 f    11  'one _part and _not _others# - -                   / 
 512     5910 1 1 b    11  *((can you ^p\/ass me 'that# .                     / 
 512     5920 1 1 b    20  I`ve))*                                            / 
 512     5930 1 1(f    11  it`s *^where for ex!\ample#                        / 
 512     5940 1 2 f    11  you`ve ^got* a !lot of 'stuff that`s 'got 'split   / 
 512     5940 1 1 f    11  sopr\anos#                                         / 
 512     5950 1 2 f    11  you ^don`t want to 'do all the _stuff that`s +_got / 
 512     5950 1 1 f    11  'split so:pr\/anos (('in it#                       / 
 512     5960 1 1 f    11  when ^half of+ them are a!w\ay#))                  / 
 512     5970 1 1 b    11  *that`s ^r/ight#*                                  / 
 512     5980 1 3 g    13  +but you ^see - you ^[?]even '[w@] '[we] *^when+   / 
 512     5980 1 2 g    13  you* ^when you [s] ^when you`ve "!g\/ot 'that on   / 
 512     5980 1 1 g    13  'schedule#                                         / 
 512     5990 1 1 g    11  +and you+ ^s/\ay#                                  / 
 512     6000 1 1 g    11  ^l\ook#                                            / 
 512     6010 1 1 g    11  I`m ^g/\oing to be 'doing - 'A 'B or 'C# .         / 
 512     6020 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]# - - -                                      / 
 512     6030 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#+                                            / 
 512     6040 1 1(g    11  ^on 'this d/ay# -                                  / 
 512     6050 1 1 g    11  you ((can)) ^even put !!\after it# .               / 
 512     6060 1 1 g    11  ^N \B# -                                           / 
 512     6070 1 1 g    11  ^t\enors#                                          / 
 512     6080 1 2 g    11  ^will you 'please all 'make a 'special 'effort to  / 
 512     6080 1 1 g    11  !!b\e there# .                                     / 
 512     6090 1 1 g    11  +I ^m=ean#                                         / 
 512     6100 1 1 g    11  ^what`s 'wrong with th\at#+                        / 
 512     6110 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]# .                                          / 
 512     6120 1 1 b    11  ^but they !sh\ould be 'making+ a 'special 'effort# / 
 512     6130 1 1 b    11  to ^be at a new re'hearsal /\anyway#+              / 
 512     6140 1 1 b    21  *and it`s ^getting a :bit 'late*                   / 
 512     6150 1 1 a    11  *but you`ve ^got to 'spell it* +'!!\out for them# ./ 
 512     6160 1 1 a    11  cos it`s+ **^not w/ orking#**                      / 
 512     6170 1 1 s    20  *(hubbub, several voices, several sylls)*          / 
 512     6180 1 1 ?    11  *((you ^can`t m/ake them#))*                       / 
 512     6190 1 1 g    11  +but but ^n/\obo+**dy`s {"^m\aking them#}#**       / 
 512     6200 1 1 b    11  **^y\es# .                                         / 
 512     6210 1 1 b    20  but . but I`m**                                    / 
 512     6220 1 2 g    11  ^nobody can 'make "[?]\every .                     / 
 512     6220 1 1 g    11  you ^((can`t)) ex"p\ect (({at ^th\is 'stage#}#))   / 
 512     6230 1 1 g    11  ^/\everybody can 'make#                            / 
 512     6240 1 1 g    11  "^{[?]\every} re":h\/earsal#                       / 
 512     6250 1 1 f    11  ^n\o#                                              / 
 512     6260 1 1 f    12  but ^if ^if there !happens to be 'one re:h\earsal# / 
 512     6270 1 1 f    11  ((at)) ^which there !is 'only 'one :t\/enor#       / 
 512     6280 1 1 f    11  and they ^can`t do it :\other'wise#                / 
 512     6290 1 1 f    11  and you`ve ^actually !sche'duled - al:r\eady#      / 
 512     6300 1 1 f    11  ^s\/ome*thing or 'other#*                          / 
 512     6310 1 1 g    12  *well ((^I)) [re6] that`s a* ^bit 'un!!l\ikely#    / 
 512     6320 1 1 g    11  ^/\isn`t it#                                       / 
 512     6330 1 1 g    11  if you`ve **^said** in adv/ance#                   / 
 512     6340 1 1 ?c   11  **^y\es#**                                         / 
 512     6350 1 1(g    11  that it`s +^going+ to 'be . :d\/ifferent#          / 
 512     6360 1 1 ?e   11  +^y=es#+                                           / 
 512     6370 1 1 f    11  but ^why c\an`t you#                               / 
 512     6380 1 1 f    21  *^actually*                                        / 
 512     6390 1 2 b    12  *((well)) ^how much 'are* people 'able to - ^I     / 
 512     6390 1 1 b    12  don`t kn/\ow how 'much people +are 'able#          / 
 512     6400 1 1 b    21  to ((ap^portion 'their))+                          / 
 512     6410 1 1 g    11  +^well I mean they`ve 'got the 'schedule+ n/ow#    / 
 512     6420 1 1 g    11  for ^next * - ((t/erm#))*                          / 
 512     6430 1 1 f    11  *^y\es#                                            / 
 512     6440 2 1 f    21  but +^why+ 'can`t* the                             / 
 512     6450 1 1 b    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 512     6440 1 1(f    11  if the ^schedule for 'now is [?]\out# -            / 
 512     6460 1 1 f    11  ^why . c\an`t 'we#                                 / 
 512     6470 1 1 f    11  how^ever we de'cide to d\o it#                     / 
 512     6480 1 1 f    11  ^why 'can`t 'we :ascert\ain#                       / 
 512     6490 1 1 f    11  ^who is 'going to _be _[?]at 'which reh\earsal# - -/ 
 512     6500 1 1 f    11  ^say by the 'end of :th\/is 'month# - - .          / 
 512     6510 1 1 f    11  and "^th\en#                                       / 
 512     6520 1 1 f    11  there "^is an 'opport\/unity# - .                  / 
 512     6530 1 2 f    21  ^to . 'sort _out - - !which 'pieces *are ((going   / 
 512     6530 1 1 f    21  several sylls))*                                   / 
 512     6540 1 1 b    11  *well ^[?]actually y\es#* .                        / 
 512     6550 1 1 b    11  for ^this 'coming :c\/oncert#                      / 
 512     6560 1 3 b    10  ((1 to 2 sylls))                                   / 
 512     6560 1 2 b    10  +I ^think that`s (('fairly)) irr\elevant           / 
 512     6560 1 1 b    10  /actually#+                                        / 
 512     6570 2 1 g    21  +I ^think 'Roy **'probably**+                      / 
 512     6580 1 1 s    20  **(hubbub, several sylls)**                        / 
 512     6570 1 1(g    11  'doesn`t really m/\atter#                          / 
 512     6590 1 1 f    11  "^n\o# .                                           / 
 512     6600 1 1 f    11  ((it **"^d\oesn`t matter 'much#))**                / 
 512     6610 1 1 b    11  **^not for :th\/at one#**                          / 
 512     6620 1 2 b    11  but ^I`d . _I *!think ((for)) the St :M\/ark`s     / 
 512     6620 1 1 b    11  'one#                                              / 
 512     6630 1 1 b    21  it`s ^much _more im!p\ortant 'for*                 / 
 512     6640 1 2 f    12  *((but)) ^even if it ^even if 'this was a '[ko7ns] / 
 512     6640 1 1 f    12  a* . a _thing that "^w\/as 'working out 'that way# / 
 512     6650 1 1 f    11  ^you could "!!th\en 'look at the 'schedule#        / 
 512     6660 1 1 f    11  and ^say well !!ok/ay# -                           / 
 512     6670 1 1 f    11  if ^I 'do :this 'piece :th\is 'week#               / 
 512     6680 1 2 f    11  and ^this 'piece - - 'two weeks :l\ater or         / 
 512     6680 1 1 f    11  'something#                                        / 
 512     6690 1 2 f    11  ^then at !least the 'half a 'dozen 'people who     / 
 512     6690 1 1 f    11  :happen to be a'way :both t/imes#                  / 
 512     6700 1 1 f    11  ^won`t !m\iss it 'both _times _sort of _thing#     / 
 512     6710 1 1 f    12  I ^mean you ^kn/ow#                                / 
 512     6720 3 1 f    22  ^you can . you can ^actually 'sort of - -          / 
 512     6730 1 1 g    21  ^see +!I((`d)) th\/ought ((we could))+             / 
 512     6720 2 1(f    22  +!{pl\an it}+ to :suit                             / 
 512     6740 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     6720 1 1(f    12  *who`s* !th\ere#                                   / 
 512     6750 1 2 f    11  as +^well as 'just+ **sort of ((2 sylls)) the      / 
 512     6750 1 1 f    11  :pr\essure 'off#**                                 / 
 512     6760 1 1 g    22  +((^well . ^with))+                                / 
 512     6770 1 2 b    12  **((sort of)) ^thinking of some . ** ^thinking of  / 
 512     6770 1 1 b    12  the !concerts 'coming \up#                         / 
 512     6780 1 2 b    11  I ^don`t think 'that`s . :that 'matters            / 
 512     6780 1 1 b    11  par:t\/icularly# .                                 / 
 512     6790 1 2 b    11  and for the ^Brahms R\equiem it 'doesn`t _matter   / 
 512     6790 1 1 b    11  par_ticularly# .                                   / 
 512     6800 1 1 b    11  it ^does for ((an'other)) par'ticular *:c\/oncert#*/ 
 512     6810 1 1 g    22  ^well it !might if [j] 'if ^if 'you                / 
 512     6820 1 1 f    11  ^[\/m]#                                            / 
 512     6830 1 2 b    12  [@m] ^there "are a [gus] I was I was "^going to    / 
 512     6830 1 1 b    12  s\ay#                                              / 
 512     6840 1 1 b    11  there "^are par'ticular :c\/oncerts#               / 
 512     6850 1 2 b    11  ^one !could 'say it`s (('going to be more          / 
 512     6850 1 1 b    11  :d\/ifficult#))                                    / 
 512     6860 1 1 g    11  ((I)) ^I mean !knowing 'you R/oy#                  / 
 512     6870 1 1 g    11  ^you !may 'pick on :one or 'two ch/oruses#         / 
 512     6880 1 1 g    11  that ^you +'think+ are par!ticularly d/ifficult#   / 
 512     6890 2 1 g    21  *^or*                                              / 
 512     6900 1 1 b    11  +^y/eah#+                                          / 
 512     6910 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     6890 1 1(g    11  that we !need par:ticular w\ork 'on#               / 
 512     6920 1 1 b    11  ^[/m]#                                             / 
 512     6930 1 1 g    11  and ^knowing y/ou#                                 / 
 512     6940 1 1 g    11  ^you !could 'work 'on th/ose#                      / 
 512     6950 1 1 g    11  to the ex^clusion of the !!\others# .              / 
 512     6960 1 1 g    11  be^cause you will !w\orry a'bout them# .           / 
 512     6970 1 1 g    11  ^now I`m !not 'sure 'that`s 'that`s g/ood# .       / 
 512     6980 2 1 g    21  [?@] *^for* 'all the                               / 
 512     6990 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     6980 1 1(g    11  !!r\est of 'us# .                                  / 
 512     7000 1 1 g    11  I can ^see 'why ":y\/ou 'do it#                    / 
 512     7010 1 1 b    11  "^y\es# .                                          / 
 512     7020 1 1 b    21  I ^mean *[@]*                                      / 
 512     7030 1 1 g    11  *but* I mean if ^you were 'actually 'tied d\own#   / 
 512     7040 1 2 g    11  to ^knowing what you 'had to do 'every             / 
 512     7040 1 1 g    11  re+h\/earsal#+                                     / 
 512     7050 1 1 b    11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 512     7060 1 1 c    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     7070 1 2(g    11  *^I* 'think _that would be of a tre!!m\en+dous     / 
 512     7070 1 1(g    11  b/enefit#                                          / 
 512     7080 1 1 g    11  to ^everybody !!\else#+                            / 
 512     7090 1 1 b    11  +^I !n\ormally#                                    / 
 512     7100 1 2 b    11  ^get _through !m\/ost of+ 'what I in'tend to 'do at/ 
 512     7100 1 1 b    11  a re'hearsal#                                      / 
 512     7110 2 1 b    22  but [ne] ^but - ^this is *[@:m]*                   / 
 512     7120 1 1 a    11  *((^y\es#))* - .                                   / 
 512     7110 1 2(b    12  ^I mean I !normally 'end 'up _say !two 'small      / 
 512     7110 1 1(b    12  'items sh\ort# -                                   / 
 512     7130 1 1 b    11  ^of !what I ((was)) 'planning +to d\o# -           / 
 512     7140 1 1 b    11  ^b=ut#+                                            / 
 512     7150 1 1 g    11  +it ^seems to m\e#                                 / 
 512     7160 1 1 g    11  that ^when we`ve !ever 'had+ a "b\/itty re'hearsal#/ 
 512     7170 2 1 g    21  ^there are !always *'some* 'things that            / 
 512     7180 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     7170 1 1(g    11  [o7] are . +:not "!\/over re'hearsed#              / 
 512     7190 1 1 g    11  ((2 sylls)) but "^very+ ":very !f\/ully re'hearsed#/ 
 512     7200 1 2 g    11  and ^others that are !barely re**_hearsed at       / 
 512     7200 1 1 g    11  !\all#**                                           / 
 512     7210 1 1 b    11  +^((yes qu\ite))# .                                / 
 512     7220 1 2 b    11  but ^it`s . it`s !((always a 'matter of)) 'how     / 
 512     7220 1 1 b    11  much+ **^y\es#**                                   / 
 512     7230 1 1 f    11  **well "^I 'felt :th\is** 'time#                   / 
 512     7240 1 1 f    12  the ^[bra6] the the ^B\/yrd# .                     / 
 512     7250 2 1 f    21  al^though it *'[w@z]* [?@m]                        / 
 512     7260 1 1 c    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 512     7250 1 1(f    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 512     7270 1 1 f    11  +((the ^star)) !pr\oblem# -                        / 
 512     7280 1 1 b    11  +well it . it ^took a 'time to 'get g\oing# .      / 
 512     7290 1 1 b    11  ((^wh/at#)) .                                      / 
 512     7300 1 1 b    11  ^[?][=m]#+                                         / 
 512     7310 1 1(f    11  ((but the)) ^Byrd 'got 'go+ing _rather !w\ell#     / 
 512     7320 2 2 f    21  and ^actually 'was one of the :better 'things that / 
 512     7320 2 1 f    21  _we . *per*!f\ormed in                             / 
 512     7330 1 1 b    11  *^y\/es#*                                          / 
 512     7320 1 1(f    11  'that week'end# -                                  / 
 512     7340 1 2 f    11  ^whereas the !stuff that 'we +":sh\ould+ have been / 
 512     7340 1 1 f    11  'able to 'do _perfectly _well#                     / 
 512     7350 1 1 f    11  cos we`d ^done it be!f\/ore#                       / 
 512     7360 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     7370 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     7380 1 2 f    14  ^got ^got (('probably)) I ^mean - ^just !going     / 
 512     7380 1 1 f    14  'back to the :post!m\ortem for a 'minute#          / 
 512     7390 1 2 f    11  and ^I do !not 'say this :[?]as ![?]any 'criticism / 
 512     7390 1 1 f    11  of the 'li:br\arian#                               / 
 512     7400 1 1 f    11  ^in the sl\ightest#                                / 
 512     7410 1 1 f    11  but ^n\ext 'time we _do the _Liebes_lieder#        / 
 512     7420 1 2 f    11  ^can we _actually in'vest in our "/\own 'set of    / 
 512     7420 1 1 f    11  'copies#                                           / 
 512     7430 1 2 f    11  ^which have 'got the !right 'words _under the      / 
 512     7430 1 1 f    11  *"!right* p/arts#                                  / 
 512     7440 2 1 f    21  +^so that !right from the+                         / 
 512     7450 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     7460 1 1 b    11  +^((should)) 'speed things /up#+                   / 
 512     7440 1 1(f    11  "!st\art# -                                        / 
 512     7470 1 1 f    21  we ^don`t 'have                                    / 
 512     7480 1 2 b    11  ^I mean !certainly :copies *((would !help on       / 
 512     7480 1 1 b    11  'this)) 'problem#*                                 / 
 512     7490 1 1 f    11  *you ^don`t* !slow 'people ":d\/own#               / 
 512     7500 1 1 f    12  ^by a !(([po7zh])) . it`s e"^xactly the :s\ame#    / 
 512     7510 1 1 f    11  I ^mean !G\od#                                     / 
 512     7520 1 1 f    11  if ^ever 'I 'had t\/ime#                           / 
 512     7530 1 1 f    21  +^I would !sit 'down and+                          / 
 512     7540 1 2 g    11  +I ^thought 'Roy 'said there+ w/\eren`t 'any       / 
 512     7540 1 1 g    11  'copies# .                                         / 
 512     7550 1 1 g    11  *((^other than th/ose#)) -                         / 
 512     7560 1 1 g    21  ^d/idn`t you 'say ((that))*                        / 
 512     7570 1 2 f    12  *^I would sit 'down and 'write . 'out ^we !couldn`t/ 
 512     7570 1 1 f    12  'get* ":h\old of 'any {from the ^l\ibrary#}#       / 
 512     7580 2 1 f    21  but ^I !think                                      / 
 512     7590 1 1 b    11  +^we !couldn`t get :h\old of 'any# -               / 
 512     7600 1 1 b    11  ^y\/es#+                                           / 
 512     7580 1 2(f    11  +if 'that _piece is ":g\/oing to continue+ to come / 
 512     7580 1 1(f    11  'up#                                               / 
 512     7610 1 2 f    21  ^praps it`s 'something 'we should con'sider *[?]   / 
 512     7610 1 1 f    21  ((sylls))*                                         / 
 512     7620 1 1 b    11  *^I !don`t kn\ow#                                  / 
 512     7630 1 1 b    11  there ^are 'various e:d\/itions#*                  / 
 512     7640 1 1 a    11  *the ^problem /is# - *                             / 
 512     7650 1 1 a    11  that that . ^/\any li'brarian#                     / 
 512     7660 1 1 a    11  ^doesn`t "!kn\/ow# .                               / 
 512     7670 1 2 a    11  ^what the 'copies are 'going to be 'like be:fore   / 
 512     7670 1 1 a    11  they !g\et +'them#+                                / 
 512     7680 1 1 f    11  +^n\o#+                                            / 
 512     7690 1 1 b    11  +^n\o#+                                            / 
 512     7700 1 1 b    11  well we ^do *s\/ome'times#                         / 
 512     7710 1 1 b    11  but ^not !\often# . [@:m]*                         / 
 512     7720 1 1 f    11  *^that is a pr\oblem#*                             / 
 512     7730 1 2 f    12  ^that`s _something _I _think [?]if :we 'can - ^if  / 
 512     7730 1 1 f    12  **+we can+ !h\elp in 'any 'way#                    / 
 512     7740 1 2 f    11  ^by !finding** 'out what e:dition they +_are+ and  / 
 512     7740 1 1 f    11  _all the !r\est of it#                             / 
 512     7750 1 1 f    20  it *((several sylls))*                             / 
 512     7760 1 1 a    12  **it was ((^only)) ^y\es#                          / 
 512     7770 2 1 a    21  cos ^Ruislip :Library`s**                          / 
 512     7780 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     7790 1 1 b    20  +[m]+                                              / 
 512     7770 1 1(a    11  *'called all their 'music \in#*                    / 
 512     7800 1 1 a    11  ^th\at was why it w/as#                            / 
 512     7810 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 512     7820 1 1 ?g   21  well ^I                                            / 
 512     7830 1 1 f    11  "^n\o#                                             / 
 512     7840 1 1 f    11  ^[?]as _I !s\aid#                                  / 
 512     7850 1 1 f    11  it`s ^no cr\iticism#                               / 
 512     7860 1 1 f    11  ^I !know it was a :pr\oblem#                       / 
 512     7870 2 1 f    21  and +^I+                                           / 
 512     7880 1 1 b    11  +^y/eah# .                                         / 
 512     7890 1 1 b    11  it ^very often \is#+                               / 
 512     7870 1 1(f    11  ^I mean !all *^all ^all cr/edit#                   / 
 512     7900 1 2 f    12  for ^getting the ((![nek] ^getting)) the* !right   / 
 512     7900 1 1 f    12  ones at !\all#                                     / 
 512     7910 1 1 a    10  *((5 sylls)) the r\ight 'copies#*                  / 
 512     7920 1 1 b    11  ^well it`s the "!s\ame#                            / 
 512     7930 1 1 b    11  for ((the)) ^T\/ippett#                            / 
 512     7940 1 1 b    12  I ^mean + . ^they`re . "!dr\eadful to 'read#       / 
 512     7950 1 1 b    11  ((and ^that`s the 'only - l\ot#))+                 / 
 512     7960 1 1 f    11  +well ^it was e!xactly the s/ame#                  / 
 512     7970 1 2 f    11  ^when we !did 'that :set of !seven 'rather 'nice+  / 
 512     7970 1 1 f    11  'Brahms 'songs in 'East C\oker#                    / 
 512     7980 1 1 f    11  ^which !I should *think* /\every'body 'here#       / 
 512     7990 2 1 f    21  re^members with                                    / 
 512     8000 1 1 b    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     8010 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 512     7990 1 1(f    11  !total ":dr\/ead# -                                / 
 512     8020 1 1 f    11  **be**^cause - !we 'were _[?]un![?]\able# .        / 
 512     8030 1 1 f    11  to ^just _pick them \up#                           / 
 512     8040 1 1 f    11  and ^s\ing them# .                                 / 
 512     8050 1 1 f    11  *^in the f/irst 'place#                            / 
 512     8060 1 1 b    11  *^well the !main :pr\/oblem#                       / 
 512     8070 1 1 b    12  ^is ((2 sylls)) ((^y\es#))                         / 
 512     8080 1 1 b    20  ((1 syll))*                                        / 
 512     8090 1 1(f    11  "^\any'way#                                        / 
 512     8100 1 1 f    11  we* ^spent the !first thr/\ee re'hearsals#         / 
 512     8110 1 1 f    11  ^trying to work 'out 'what the hell w/ords#        / 
 512     8120 1 1 f    11  ^went under 'what the hell :n\otes# .              / 
 512     8130 1 1 f    11  the ^Tippett :Sp\/irituals#                        / 
 512     8140 1 1 f    11  ^[?]are a!nother 'case in :p\oint#                 / 
 512     8150 1 1 f    11  ^now we`ve !done 'those 'lots of :t\imes#          / 
 512     8160 1 1 f    11  and we ^know them :b\etter# -                      / 
 512     8170 1 1 f    11  ^but the "!m\ixture# -                             / 
 512     8180 1 2 f    11  ^of . ![?]all those 'little t\ails all 'over the   / 
 512     8180 1 1 f    11  _place#                                            / 
 512     8190 1 1 f    11  "^tw\o 'sets of w/ords#                            / 
 512     8200 1 1 f    11  re"^p\eats 'all /over the 'place#                  / 
 512     8210 1 1 f    11  and ^all the r\est of it#                          / 
 512     8220 1 2 f    11  if ^any'body :doesn`t 'know the thing !pr\actically/ 
 512     8220 1 1 f    11  'off by _memory#                                   / 
 512     8230 1 1 f    11  ^/\any'way#                                        / 
 512     8240 1 2 f    12  ^you`d !spend ^you could !spend your !whole -      / 
 512     8240 1 1 f    12  "t/\ime# .                                         / 
 512     8250 1 1 f    11  ^fishing 'through that c\opy *((several sylls))#*  / 
 512     8260 1 1 b    11  *^by m\emory#                                      / 
 512     8270 1 1 b    11  ^hope +you 'got :th\at one d/own# . ( . laugh)+*   / 
 512     8280 1 1 a    11  +^w=ell# -                                         / 
 512     8290 1 1 a    11  well+ ^th=en# .                                    / 
 512     8300 2 1 a    21  **I ^mean                                          / 
 512     8310 1 1 b    11  **^[=m]#**                                         / 
 512     8320 1 1 f    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     8300 1 2(a    11  !that`s** +'just+ :that`s 'just !case ((for))      / 
 512     8300 1 1(a    11  !h\omework#                                        / 
 512     8330 1 1 a    11  ^\isn`t it# * -                                    / 
 512     8340 1 1 a    20  ((I think))*                                       / 
 512     8350 1 1 f    11  *it "^\is a 'case for 'homework#                   / 
 512     8360 1 1 f    11  but ^all the :s\ame#                               / 
 512     8370 1 2 f    21  you`ve ^only 'got a !very 'bitty* +((several       / 
 512     8370 1 1 f    21  sylls))+                                           / 
 512     8380 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]# -                                          / 
 512     8390 1 1 b    11  it "^\is#                                          / 
 512     8400 1 2 b    11  but ^it would !simply 'be more :((1 s\yll 1 syll)) / 
 512     8400 1 1 b    11  - less#                                            / 
 512     8410 1 1 b    21  if ^you could* +((several sylls))+                 / 
 512     8420 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#                                            / 
 512     8430 1 1 a    11  ^absol\utely# .                                    / 
 512     8440 1 1 a    11  but ^I _mean the !T\ippett#                        / 
 512     8450 1 1 a    11  there ^\isn`t+ a'nother 'copy of the 'Tippett#     / 
 512     8460 1 1 ?    20  +((several words))+                                / 
 512     8470 1 1 b    11  ^n/o#                                              / 
 512     8480 1 1 f    11  **^n\o#**                                          / 
 512     8490 1 1 a    11  ^so you just **!have** to do the !h\ome'work#      / 
 512     8500 1 1 b    11  *"^r\ight# .                                       / 
 512     8510 1 1 b    11  there`s ^th\at#                                    / 
 512     8520 1 1 b    20  ((1 syll))*                                        / 
 512     8530 1 2 g    11  *^well in a !sense 'that`s 'just* 'something we`ve / 
 512     8530 1 1 g    11  got to ":l\ive with#                               / 
 512     8540 1 1 g    11  ^\isn`t +it# ((5 to 6 sylls))+                     / 
 512     8550 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#                                            / 
 512     8560 1 1 a    20  ((several sylls))+                                 / 
 512     8570 1 1 f    10  'saying+ "w/\e can 'do 'anything *ab/out it#*      / 
 512     8580 1 1 b    11  + - ^y\eah#+ -                                     / 
 512     8590 1 2 b    11  *^I mean ((it`s))* !simply 'try and a'void it if we/ 
 512     8590 1 1 b    11  !c\an# -                                           / 
 512     8600 2 1 b    23  ^I mean **^I . [?@] . ^there _is _one**            / 
 512     8610 1 1 a    21  **((there`s ^fift\een))** -                        / 
 512     8600 1 1(b    13  ^can I just s\ay#                                  / 
 512     8620 1 2 b    11  there`s ^one other \element {^on ^on ((the))       / 
 512     8620 1 1 b    11  _postm\ortem#}#                                    / 
 512     8630 1 1 b    11  ^which I 'didn`t _say \earlier#                    / 
 512     8640 1 2 b    12  was [?@] ^was - [@m] the ^matter of 'whether in    / 
 512     8640 1 1 b    12  f\act# .                                           / 
 512     8650 1 1 b    11  ((for the)) ^number of re!h\earsals# .             / 
 512     8660 1 1 b    11  and ^s/o 'on#                                      / 
 512     8670 1 1 b    11  ^there was . simply 'too much :music to !d\o# -    / 
 512     8680 1 1 d    11  oh there ^sh\ouldn`t have 'been#                   / 
 512     8690 1 1 a    22  ^n\o *((^I don`t think so))*                       / 
 512     8700 1 1 ?    20  *no [?] ((sylls))*                                 / 
 512     8710 1 2 b    11  *"^\/I think there 'shouldn`t have been            / 
 512     8710 1 1 b    11  'personally#* .                                    / 
 512     8720 1 1 b    11  ^do you 'all a!gr\/ee#                             / 
 512     8730 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     8740 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     8750 1 1 ?g   11  +((^th\ank you for /asking#))+                     / 
 512     8760 1 1 b    11  +you ^d\o# .                                       / 
 512     8770 1 1 b    11  "^r\ight# . +                                      / 
 512     8780 1 2 b    10  **((2 sylls)) .                                    / 
 512     8780 1 1 b    10  ^I`m . \interested in the re'action#**             / 
 512     8790 1 1 a    11  **but ^I !do 'feel :f\/airly 'strongly#            / 
 512     8800 1 1 a    11  ^\al'so#                                           / 
 512     8810 1 2 a    11  that we ^ought to** 'bash {thr\ough 'things}       / 
 512     8810 1 1 a    11  !m\ore# -                                          / 
 512     8820 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     8830 1 1 a    11  [@] ^just 'bash thr/ough#                          / 
 512     8840 1 1 a    11  ^[?]=and [@:]# .                                   / 
 512     8850 1 1 a    11  ^just to !keep 'things . :[?]in +'people`s m\inds#+/ 
 512     8860 1 1 b    11  +((for)) . fa^mili!\arity# . +                     / 
 512     8870 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 512     8880 2 1 g    21  *^get* an !over'all [im] .                         / 
 512     8890 1 1 b    20  +( - throat clearing)+                             / 
 512     8880 1 1(g    21  +((several sylls))+                                / 
 512     8900 1 2 a    11  +((and)) ^get an _over_all+ im_pression of the     / 
 512     8900 1 1 a    11  _whole w\ork#                                      / 
 512     8910 1 1 a    11  ^t\oo#                                             / 
 512     8920 1 1 a    20  of *[@m] [@]*                                      / 
 512     8930 1 1 b    11  *^y/es#*                                           / 
 512     8940 1 1 ?    11  **((1 syll)) ^[\m]#                                / 
 512     8950 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#**                                           / 
 512     8960 1 2 d    11  it ^is a 'problem if you **"!miss reh\earsals# . **/ 
 512     8960 1 1 d    11  -                                                  / 
 512     8970 1 1 d    11  [@:] you ^kn/ow#                                   / 
 512     8980 1 1 d    11  we`ve ^been \over 'this#                           / 
 512     8990 1 2 d    12  I ^mean if ^if _you ![?]actually :concentrate on a / 
 512     8990 1 1 d    12  !few 'works - :in a par!t\icular 'week# -          / 
 512     9000 1 1 d    11  and ^then you "!miss . a w\eek or 'two#            / 
 512     9010 1 1 d    11  as "^I "h/\ave 'to#                                / 
 512     9020 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9030 1 1 a    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     9040 1 2 d    12  *^you* !maybe :don`t sing I I mean ^I 'sang        / 
 512     9040 1 1 d    12  'Captain 'Noah for the :first 'time you ^kn/ow#    / 
 512     9050 1 1 d    11  a ^week before the !c\oncert or 'something#        / 
 512     9060 1 1 d    11  ((^simply be'cause)) 'I((`d)) "!m\issed#           / 
 512     9070 1 1 d    11  when^ever 'else _you`d +'you`d+ "!d\one it#        / 
 512     9080 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     9090 1 1 f    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9100 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9110 1 1 d    11  ^if you *!bash !!thr\ough 'things# .               / 
 512     9120 1 1 d    11  ^warts and /\all# - *                              / 
 512     9130 1 1 b    11  *^well we 'hadn`t 'done ((it)) m/uch# -            / 
 512     9140 1 1 b    11  ((1 syll)) . ^only !once \/other#* .               / 
 512     9150 1 1 b    11  "^y\es# -                                          / 
 512     9160 1 1 d    11  ^you kn/ow#                                        / 
 512     9170 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     9180 1 1 a    20  +((several sylls))+                                / 
 512     9190 1 1 b    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     9200 1 1 d    11  ^slightly 'more :\often#                           / 
 512     9210 1 1 c    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     9220 1 2(d    11  *^just* so that 'people actually get a ":nodding   / 
 512     9220 1 1(d    11  ac:qu\ain+tance ((with it))#+                      / 
 512     9230 2 2 b    22  +^yes I !think 'they would+ . [?] ^this 'does      / 
 512     9230 2 1 b    22  *'seem*                                            / 
 512     9240 1 1 ?    11  *^[\m]#*                                           / 
 512     9230 1 1(b    12  to 'be +[?]a :bit 'more ((2 s\ylls))#              / 
 512     9250 1 1 b    12  ^I will !try and (('do it)) . ((^tr\ouble /is#     / 
 512     9260 1 1 b    11  it`s ^sl\ow#))+ .                                  / 
 512     9270 1 1 d    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 512     9280 1 1 f    11  +^I !think in a w\/ay#                             / 
 512     9290 1 1 f    11  you ^need to do 'that to be:g\in 'with 'more#      / 
 512     9300 1 1 f    11  and ^then+ "!n\/earer **the** 'concert#            / 
 512     9310 1 1 f    11  ^p\ossibly#                                        / 
 512     9320 1 1 d    11  *^y\eah#                                           / 
 512     9330 1 1 d    11  well ^then y\es#                                   / 
 512     9340 1 1 d    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512     9350 1 1 d    11  ^y\es#*                                            / 
 512     9360 1 1 f    11  you could *^miss the odd 'item :\out#              / 
 512     9370 1 1 f    11  because you ^know it`s* alr/\eady fa'miliar#       / 
 512     9380 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9390 1 2 f    12  ((be ^that)) . cos the "^trouble 'is if you ":bash / 
 512     9390 1 1 f    12  through 'everything 'warts and all :\/every 'week# / 
 512     9400 1 2 f    11  ^you !would 'actually end 'up with 'no re'hearsal  / 
 512     9400 1 1 f    11  time to 'actually p\olish *((anything))#           / 
 512     9410 1 1 f    21  ((because I mean)) you* ^have 'got                 / 
 512     9420 1 1 d    12  *you`ve ^got . you`ve ^got ((to :c\ompromise#))*   / 
 512     9430 1 2 a    11  *well ^if _you 'say* . that +:come 'ten 'past      / 
 512     9430 1 1 a    11  :n\/ine#+                                          / 
 512     9440 1 1 f    20  +((two and a half hours sylls))+                   / 
 512     9450 1 1 b    11  +^y\eah#+                                          / 
 512     9460 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 512     9470 1 1 a    11  ^just de'cided **to . ** :st\op#                   / 
 512     9480 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 512     9490 1 1 a    11  ^sort of [@m] - :n\ote 'bashing#                   / 
 512     9500 1 1 a    11  or what^/ever#                                     / 
 512     9510 1 1 a    11  and . ^just !s\ing 'through tw/o or three things# ./ 
 512     9520 1 1 a    11  *((^once or !tw\ice#))*                            / 
 512     9530 1 1 b    11  *^y/es# . *                                        / 
 512     9540 1 2 b    11  ^I !do !find it . :in . 'be !c\areful 'doing th/at#/ 
 512     9540 1 1 b    11  .                                                  / 
 512     9550 1 2 b    13  in that ^people - - :can ^if you`re ^if you just   / 
 512     9550 1 1 b    13  "bash thr\ough 'things# -                          / 
 512     9560 1 1 b    11  wi"^th\out actually 'taking c/are a'bout them#     / 
 512     9570 1 2 b    11  ^people can '[d@] . sort of :end up the            / 
 512     9570 1 1 b    11  re:{h\earsal} 'rather de":pr\essed - /actually#    / 
 512     9580 1 1 b    12  at at the "^way +you ^kn/ow#                       / 
 512     9590 1 2 b    11  ((that)) you`re ^not 'getting 'something 'right    / 
 512     9590 1 1 b    11  (('all the way al/ong#                             / 
 512     9600 1 1 b    21  it`s)) ^psycho!l\ogically+                         / 
 512     9610 1 1 a    11  +^y\es#                                            / 
 512     9620 1 1 a    11  ^w=ell# .                                          / 
 512     9630 1 2 a    11  ((I ^think)) you just 'need to . :point 'out a 'few/ 
 512     9630 1 1 a    11  'things be'fore+ we st\/art#                       / 
 512     9640 2 1 a    21  ((and)) re*^mind* 'people a'bout                   / 
 512     9650 1 1 b    11  *"^y/eah#*                                         / 
 512     9660 1 1 f    11  +^[\m]#+                                           / 
 512     9640 1 1(a    11  [@] the the +:main+ th/ings#                       / 
 512     9670 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9680 2 1 a    21  ^and !say that it`s 'just to                       / 
 512     9690 1 1 f    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9700 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 512     9680 1 1 a    11  you ^kn/ow#                                        / 
 512     9710 1 1 b    12  *I ^do . I ^do "tr\y and 'end a re'hearsal#        / 
 512     9720 1 1 b    11  with ^some (('something ((t\astier))#))*           / 
 512     9730 1 1 f    11  *the ^only !pr\/oblem is#                          / 
 512     9740 1 4 f    12  if ^people 'seem ((to be)) if ^people 'bash        / 
 512     9740 1 3 f    12  'through it 'three weeks* 'running wi:thout going  / 
 512     9740 1 2 f    12  'back con:tinually 'getting the 'same part         / 
 512     9740 1 1 f    12  ":wr\ong# -                                        / 
 512     9750 1 2 b    12  ^well +one has !got - one has ^got to 'stop a      / 
 512     9750 1 1 b    12  :c\ertain a'mount of 'things 'going wr/ong#+       / 
 512     9760 1 2 f    12  +and it ^may 'be 'some'thing to - you ^got to be   / 
 512     9760 1 1 f    12  :c\areful#+                                        / 
 512     9770 1 2 f    12  cos there ^are 'things ((that)) I ^know the 'answer/ 
 512     9770 1 1 f    12  to th/at would be#                                 / 
 512     9780 1 1 f    11  well ^ok/ay#                                       / 
 512     9790 1 2 f    11  ^go a'way and [w@?] and 'work _on it with the      / 
 512     9790 1 1 f    11  pi'ano at h\ome#                                   / 
 512     9800 1 1 f    11  and ^all the !r\est of it# -                       / 
 512     9810 1 1 f    11  there ^are !some th/ings#                          / 
 512     9820 1 1 f    11  that ^you can !work . with a pi'ano at h\/ome#     / 
 512     9830 1 1 f    11  ^till _you`re !blue in the :f\ace#                 / 
 512     9840 1 2 f    11  and the ^moment you 'get _there with :everybody    / 
 512     9840 1 1 f    11  !\else 'singing 'their p/arts#                     / 
 512     9850 1 1 f    11  it ^somehow *'isn`t* +'quite the+ ":s\ame#         / 
 512     9860 1 1 a    11  *^y/es#*                                           / 
 512     9870 1 1 d    11  +^oh y\es#+                                        / 
 512     9880 1 1 ?    20  **(([m])) (throat clear)**                         / 
 512     9890 1 2 a    11  **there ^wasn`t 'anything 'much** in that l\ast    / 
 512     9890 1 1 a    11  'concert *(('though))#                             / 
 512     9900 1 1 a    11  +^nor . will there+ 'be in the !n\/ext 'one#*      / 
 512     9910 1 1 b    11  +^[/m]#+                                           / 
 512     9920 1 1 f    11  *"^n\o# .                                          / 
 512     9930 1 2 f    11  ^I`m !not 'saying ((ig"n/ore the last 'concert#)) ./ 
 512     9930 1 1 f    11  *                                                  / 
 512     9940 2 2 f    22  but but ^that !is **'something that [@] there "^are/ 
 512     9940 2 1 f    22  c\ertain**                                         / 
 512     9950 1 1 b    11  **^[\m]#**                                         / 
 512     9960 1 1 a    20  **((5 to 6 sylls))**                               / 
 512     9940 1 1(f    12  'things 'somet/imes#                               / 
 512     9970 1 1 f    11  that it ^is oc:c\asionally#                        / 
 512     9980 1 2 f    11  ^worth 'really 'taking to :{p\ieces} :s\/everal    / 
 512     9980 1 1 f    11  'times#                                            / 
 512     9990 1 1 f    11  with ^every'body th\ere#                           / 
 512    10000 2 1 f    21  be^cause it`s the !only 'way you :actually         / 
 512    10010 1 1 d    11  ^oh y\es#                                          / 
 512    10000 1 1 f    11  *((1 s\yll#))*                                     / 
 512    10020 1 2 b    12  ^d`you . *^d`you* 'ana_lyse the a'mount            / 
 512    10020 1 1 b    12  [in'vidigl7] . _people ":t\alk {[?]on ^th\is#}#    / 
 512    10030 1 1 b    11  as ^w\ell# -                                       / 
 512    10040 1 1 c    11  *( - - laughs) - ^((g\rr#))*                       / 
 512    10050 1 2 a    12  * - ^could !!you . [@m] if ^anybody* would 'like   / 
 512    10050 1 1 a    12  any m\ore#                                         / 
 512    10060 1 1 a    11  there ^\isn`t a'nother c/ourse# .                  / 
 512    10070 1 1 a    11  ^so !pl=ease# .                                    / 
 512    10080 2 1 a    21  *"^dig 'in*                                        / 
 512    10090 1 1 ?d   11  *( - . laughs) +^good L/ord#+*                     / 
 512    10100 1 1 g    11  +"^r\eally+ **'Gillian#**                          / 
 512    10080 1 1 a    11  **to the **((:r\est#))                             / 
 512    10110 1 1 a    11  ^I`m !terribly :s\/orry#                           / 
 512    10120 1 1 g    11  ^no +p\udding#+                                    / 
 512    10130 1 1 ?c   11  +"^f\an+cy#                                        / 
 512    10140 1 1 a    11  ^no *p\udding#*                                    / 
 512    10150 1 1 g    11  *((I))* ^didn`t have 'any s/\oup#                  / 
 512    10160 1 1 g    11  ^/\either#                                         / 
 512    10170 1 1 s    20  (a, c and d laugh - - - )                          / 
 512    10180 1 1 a    11  ^and there`s . !dr\ink on the 'table#              / 
 512    10190 1 1 a    11  as ^w\/ell# - - .                                  / 
 512    10200 1 1 a    11  ^s/o# -                                            / 
 512    10210 1 1 a    11  ^M\aggy# + .                                       / 
 512    10220 1 1 a    11  ((would)) ^y\/ou *'like 'some 'more#+*             / 
 512    10230 1 1 f    11  +((would ^\/everyone 'like some 'more#))+          / 
 512    10240 1 1 d    12  *^[lei] . ^ladies* f\irst# .                       / 
 512    10250 1 1 e    11  [?@:m] ^y\es#                                      / 
 512    10260 1 1 e    21  I ^think                                           / 
 512    10270 1 1 s    20  (break in tape while people recharge plates)       / 
 512    10280 1 2 c    10  ((don`t know what)) 'Maggy 'needs to take :n\/otes / 
 512    10280 1 1 c    10  'for#                                              / 
 512    10290 1 1 d    20  ( - - - laughs) - -                                / 
 512    10300 1 1 a    11  so . [@:] ^what con'clusion did we :c\/ome 'to# .  / 
 512    10310 1 2 a    11  a^bout !whether you were 'going to de_cide - - -   / 
 512    10310 1 1 a    11  !what we should 'sing :wh\/en# - -                 / 
 512    10320 1 1 a    21  in the ^hope _of                                   / 
 512    10330 1 1 ?    20  ((several sylls))                                  / 
 512    10340 1 1 s    20  (bottle cork pops) .                               / 
 512    10350 1 1 b    11  o^k/ay#                                            / 
 512    10360 1 1 b    11  ^[?]in "!th\eory for 'this . n/ext 'one# -         / 
 512    10370 1 1 b    11  ((^/\awful 'lot of . )) n/oise going 'on out there#/ 
 512    10380 1 1 b    11  ((what on ^earth was th\at one#)) - .              / 
 512    10390 1 1 b    11  [@?m] - ^/\ah#                                     / 
 512    10400 1 1 ?a   11  *^/\ooh#*                                          / 
 512    10410 1 1 h    11  *((^that`ll* 'save the)) :t/ea'party# - - -        / 
 512    10420 1 1 b    11  there ^isn`t an - 'any par'ticular r\eason# * .    / 
 512    10430 1 2 b    11  ^why I 'shouldn`t de'cide* in ad'vance for the     / 
 512    10430 1 1 b    11  'next - +:c\oncert#+                               / 
 512    10440 1 1 a    11  *((^th\ank you 1 s/yll sir#))*                     / 
 512    10450 1 1 a    11  +^r\ight#+ -                                       / 
 512    10460 1 1 ?    20  ( . coughs)                                        / 
 512    10470 1 1(b    11  as ^long as I get 'hold of a 'copy of the :H\andel#/ 
 512    10480 1 1 b    11  so I ^know what`s \in it# -                        / 
 512    10490 1 1 a    11  "^w/ell# -                                         / 
 512    10500 1 1 a    11  I ^m/ean# - -                                      / 
 512    10510 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512    10520 1 1 b    10  *((which I must !d\o#))*                           / 
 512    10530 1 1(a    11  ^are you *going to be* able to !d\/o 'that#        / 
 512    10540 1 1 a    11  in the ^near f/uture# .                            / 
 512    10550 1 2 b    11  ^well I have a !meeting tomorrow 'morning in       / 
 512    10550 1 1 b    11  {Golden Squ\are} :[?]in Nov\ello`s# -              / 
 512    10560 1 1 a    11  ^in No:v\ello`s#                                   / 
 512    10570 1 1 b    11  ^y\eah#                                            / 
 512    10580 1 1 a    11  ^/\ah#                                             / 
 512    10590 1 1 b    11  ^so it s\/eems - 'quite 'sensible#                 / 
 512    10600 1 1 b    11  if ^I ((were to)) 'buy me'self a !!sc\ore then#    / 
 512    10610 1 1 b    11  ^w\ouldn`t it#                                     / 
 512    10620 1 1 a    11  [@ ?i ?@ ?i] ^[w\o7]#                              / 
 512    10630 1 1 a    11  an [?]I ^mean a . ( . sigh) - :v\ocal 'score#      / 
 512    10640 1 1 a    11  would ^be e!n\ough#                                / 
 512    10650 1 1 a    21  for *^you to !see ((what sort of))*                / 
 512    10660 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#* .                                         / 
 512    10670 1 1 b    11  ^that`s a st\art#                                  / 
 512    10680 1 1 a    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 512    10690 1 1 a    11  ^all . ((the)) !s\olos and /everything#            / 
 512    10700 1 1 b    11  ^[\m]# -                                           / 
 512    10710 1 1 b    11  it would be ^useful to h\ave one# .                / 
 512    10720 1 1 b    11  ^I reckon to :try and :d\o that# -                 / 
 512    10730 1 1 a    11  and ^then _phone Br\ian w/ill you# - -             / 
 512    10740 1 1 a    21  *((a^bout it))*                                    / 
 512    10750 1 1 b    11  *^I will* !sp\eak to Brian#                        / 
 512    10760 1 1 a    11  ((yes)) - - - [@:m] - - ^s=o# - - .                / 
 512    10770 1 1 a    11  be^fore the !first re:h\/earsal# - - .             / 
 512    10780 1 1 a    11  ^on Sep!tember the 'twenty:f\ourth# .              / 
 512    10790 1 1 a    11  ^/is it# -                                         / 
 512    10800 1 1 ?c   11  ^[\m]# - - .                                       / 
 512    10810 1 1 a    11  [@:m] - ^we should !have - - . a :sch\/edule# - .  / 
 512    10820 1 1 a    11  ^with [@:] . !\all the d/etails 'on#               / 
 512    10830 1 1 a    11  in^cl\/uding# - .                                  / 
 512    10840 1 1 a    11  ^what !you`re 'going _to - be re:hearsing wh\en# . / 
 512    10850 1 1 a    11  ^y/es#                                             / 
 512    10860 1 1 b    11  ^[/mhm]#                                           / 
 512    10870 1 2 f    11  ^isn`t it 'actually with :that 'concert 'coming    / 
 512    10870 1 1 f    11  :\/up 'though# - -                                 / 
 512    10880 1 2 f    11  ^is !one 'not in :f\/act going to be 'getting      / 
 512    10880 1 1 f    11  through the 'whole _lot 'every *w\eek#             / 
 512    10890 1 1 f    11  ^\/any'way#*                                       / 
 512    10900 1 1 b    11  *^I was just !w\/ondering* 'this#                  / 
 512    10910 1 1 b    11  ^[?]I . !((can)) get 'through a :l\/ot of it#      / 
 512    10920 1 1 b    11  ^/\anyway# . *.                                    / 
 512    10930 1 1 b    11  ((well)) ^m\/ost of it#                            / 
 512    10940 1 1 b    11  ^s\urely#*                                         / 
 512    10950 1 1 f    11  *I ^mean !simply be:c\ause#                        / 
 512    10960 1 1 f    11  you know* ^one 'piece is 'orch\estral#             / 
 512    10970 1 1 f    11  you ^don`t 'sing in :all the 'Handel :\any'way# -  / 
 512    10980 1 1 f    11  and there`s ^only the :B\ach#                      / 
 512    10990 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 512    11000 1 2 a    12  ^if you`re 'going to 'do ^get 'through it 'all in  / 
 512    11000 1 1 a    12  'each re:h\/earsal#                                / 
 512    11010 1 1 a    11  ^that`s f/\ine# .                                  / 
 512    11020 1 1 a    11  I mean ^that "!couldn`t be :b\etter#               / 
 512    11030 2 1 f    21  I mean ^when we`ve 'done                           / 
 512    11040 1 1 b    11  *it`s ^p\/ossible#                                 / 
 512    11050 1 1 b    12  I ^wouldn`t ((several sylls)) . ((^y\eah#))*       / 
 512    11030 1 2(f    11  *_things 'like "^when we did the 'Mo_zart !R\equiem/ 
 512    11030 1 1(f    11  or what*/ever it was#                              / 
 512    11060 1 2 f    11  we ^got through the 'whole +_lot+ 'every           / 
 512    11060 1 1 f    11  reh/earsal#                                        / 
 512    11070 2 1 f    21  **^no                                              / 
 512    11080 1 1 ?e   11  +^y\es#+                                           / 
 512    11090 1 1 b    11  **[m] ^y\eah#**                                    / 
 512    11070 1 1(f    11  !!pr\oblem#**                                      / 
 512    11100 1 1 f    11  be^cause in *"!f\act#* .                           / 
 512    11110 1 1 b    11  *^[=m]#*                                           / 
 512    11120 1 3(f    12  ^once you get 'into the 'choral ^once you get 'into/ 
 512    11120 1 2(f    12  the :choral _[?]or'chestral _plus !s\olos .        / 
 512    11120 1 1(f    12  'reper'toire# -                                    / 
 512    11130 1 2 f    11  ^you !sing for a !hell of a lot 'less of the       / 
 512    11130 1 1 f    11  'actual per:f\/ormance 'time# -                    / 
 512    11140 1 2 f    11  than ^when you`re _doing . [?]a _concert "!l\/ike  / 
 512    11140 1 1 f    11  we 'did in St 'Mark`s#                             / 
 512    11150 1 1 f    11  and and with the ^service as :w\ell#               / 
 512    11160 1 1 f    11  where ^\actually#                                  / 
 512    11170 1 1 f    11  if you "^\add up#                                  / 
 512    11180 1 1 f    11  I mean we ^m\ust have 'had#                        / 
 512    11190 1 2 f    11  ^getting on for 'two and a half 'hours` :m\/usic to/ 
 512    11190 1 1 f    11  re'hearse for 'that _show# -                       / 
 512    11200 1 1 ?    11  ^[\m]#                                             / 
 513       10 1 1 a    11  ^one of the !main con!c\erns#                      / 
 513       20 1 1 a    11  of [dhi:] . ^C V C !\/P#                           / 
 513       30 1 2 a    11  ^is that [dhi] !present :system of . :student      / 
 513       30 1 1 a    11  fin=ancing# -                                      / 
 513       40 1 1 a    11  ^\is denying#                                      / 
 513       50 1 1 a    11  ^places to :people who - !c\ould# .                / 
 513       60 1 1 a    12  and would de^velop - [@:] "^b\enefit#              / 
 513       70 1 2 a    11  from ^coming !{[?]\into} the uni:versity !s\ystem# / 
 513       70 1 1 a    11  - -                                                / 
 513       80 1 1 a    11  and ^[f]f\/inally#                                 / 
 513       90 1 1 a    11  that . ^part [n7] !p\arcel#                        / 
 513      100 1 1 a    11  of the ^p\/aper# -                                 / 
 513      110 1 1 a    11  ^would b\e# .                                      / 
 513      120 1 1 a    11  to ^d\emonstrate#                                  / 
 513      130 1 1 a    11  to ^G\/overnment#                                  / 
 513      140 1 1 a    11  the in^\adequacy#                                  / 
 513      150 1 2 a    11  of [dhi:] "^present :level of !{f\unding} - 'for   / 
 513      150 1 1 a    11  'student :m\aintenance# - - -                      / 
 513      160 1 1 a    11  it ^s\eems# -                                      / 
 513      170 1 1 a    11  [@] in^\evitable Ch/airman#                        / 
 513      180 1 1 a    11  that . ^any - a"!g\enda#                           / 
 513      190 1 1 a    11  ^of the Com:mittee of Vice :ch/ancellors#          / 
 513      200 1 1 a    11  should ^have an !\item#                            / 
 513      210 1 1 a    11  on the ^freedom of !sp/eech# -                     / 
 513      220 1 1 a    11  [@] ^and of 'course we _did ag/ain#                / 
 513      230 1 1 a    11  on ^this oc!c\asion# - -                           / 
 513      240 1 1 a    11  ^since . [?] our :pr\evious :m/eeting of 'course#  / 
 513      250 1 1 a    11  [dhi:] - ^bill 'had 'been en:/acted# -             / 
 513      260 1 1 a    11  ^/and# .                                           / 
 513      270 1 1 a    11  ^one of the :{m\ain} . con!c\erns#                 / 
 513      280 1 1 a    11  of [dhi:] . ^C 'V 'C :=P# -                        / 
 513      290 1 1 a    11  ^was to 'make :s\ure#                              / 
 513      300 1 1 a    11  that ^{n\ow} that we "!have to "!f\/ace the 'law# -/ 
 513      310 1 1 a    11  we ^make good =use# .                              / 
 513      320 1 1 a    11  of [dhi] . ^reasonably "!pr\/acticable 'formula#   / 
 513      330 1 1 a    11  which has been ^built into the :legisl\ation# -    / 
 513      340 1 1 a    11  [@:] . [dhi:] . ^practical ef!f\/ect of 'that# -   / 
 513      350 1 1 a    11  [@:] . I I`m ^s\ure#                               / 
 513      360 1 1 a    12  ^means that - we ^won`t !r\eally know#             / 
 513      370 1 1 a    11  ^what the 'legis:lation - [@:] [?]is !t\/elling us#/ 
 513      380 1 1 a    11  un^til _there _have b=een# -                       / 
 513      390 1 2 a    11  a ^number of :legal . !{c\ases} 'to - [dis]        / 
 513      390 1 1 a    11  de"!f\/ine#                                        / 
 513      400 1 1 a    11  ^wh\at# .                                          / 
 513      410 1 2 a    12  ^reasonable . ^reasonably :practical . will        / 
 513      410 1 1 a    12  !m\/ean#                                           / 
 513      420 1 1 a    11  ^in 'various c/ircum'stances# -                    / 
 513      430 1 1 a    11  but in the ^m\/ean'time [dhi]#                     / 
 513      440 1 2 a    11  com^mittee will be :trying to de'velop a :{c\ode}  / 
 513      440 1 1 a    11  of . !pr\actice# -                                 / 
 513      450 1 2 a    11  which will ^help [dhi] univ=ersities . [?]in the   / 
 513      450 1 1 a    11  \interim# -                                        / 
 513      460 1 1 a    11  un^f\/ortunately#                                  / 
 513      470 1 1 a    11  [?]it ^will "!\also 'mean#                         / 
 513      480 1 1 a    11  that ^uni:v=ersities _will [@] be#                 / 
 513      490 1 2 a    11  o^bliged to :look . ((at)) :matters !{s\uch} as    / 
 513      490 1 1 a    11  se:c\/urity# -                                     / 
 513      500 1 1 a    11  be^cause it`s !quite 'clear from "!t\alking#       / 
 513      510 1 1 a    11  to ^colleagues in !\/other uni'versities# -        / 
 513      520 1 1 a    11  that . ^[?]in the "!m\/ain#                        / 
 513      530 1 1 a    11  their ^d\ifficulties# -                            / 
 513      540 1 2 a    11  in . in ^d\ealing with :fr\/eedom of 'speech       / 
 513      540 1 1 a    11  'matters#                                          / 
 513      550 1 1 a    11  ^has b/een# -                                      / 
 513      560 1 1 a    11  [@:?] - . the re^s/ult#                            / 
 513      570 1 1 a    11  [?]of the ^\in'flux#                               / 
 513      580 1 1 a    11  of ^[?]outside :\influences#                       / 
 513      590 1 1 a    11  ^not 'staff _[?]or !st\udents# - .                 / 
 513      600 1 2 a    11  [?@] [?]and ^m\/ost uni'versities {^like our       / 
 513      600 1 1 a    11  /own#}#                                            / 
 513      610 1 1 a    11  have ^\/open 'campuses# .                          / 
 513      620 1 1 a    11  and this ^{d/oes} pres/ent# -                      / 
 513      630 1 1 a    11  [?@] a ^very - !major !d\ifficulty# - -            / 
 513      640 1 2 a    11  [~] - ^on [dhi:] - - re!port . [?]of the General   / 
 513      640 1 1 a    11  :P\/urposes Com'mittee#                            / 
 513      650 1 1 a    11  ^there was [ei] pre!l\/iminary dis'cussion# .      / 
 513      660 1 1 a    11  on [dhi:] ^impli!c\ations#                         / 
 513      670 1 1 a    11  for ^univ/ersities# -                              / 
 513      680 1 1 a    11  ^of [dhi:] !G 'C 'S :\/E# -                        / 
 513      690 1 1 a    11  and the "^other ref/orms {^t/o#}# -                / 
 513      700 1 2 a    11  ex^ami'nations at :sixteen - :seventeen and        / 
 513      700 1 1 a    11  :eighteen "!pl\us# - -                             / 
 513      710 1 1 a    11  [dhi:] . ^general :v\iew#                          / 
 513      720 1 1 a    11  that was ^coming a"!cr\/oss from the uni'versities#/ 
 513      730 1 2 a    11  ^is that _they be:{l\ieve} that the                / 
 513      730 1 1 a    11  :[?]impli"!c\ations#                               / 
 513      740 1 2 a    11  of these ^ch\anges in the :{^school examin:\/ation / 
 513      740 1 1 a    11  'system#}#                                         / 
 513      750 1 1 a    11  will be ^far 'more ":r\/adical#                    / 
 513      760 1 2 a    11  than we [k] per^haps - - [?@:] [?@?] [?]ac:c\/epted/ 
 513      760 1 1 a    11  'so "f\ar# -                                       / 
 513      770 1 1 a    11  [@] ^both in :terms of the !w\ay in which#         / 
 513      780 1 1 a    12  ^we - [@?] se^l/ect 'students# -                   / 
 513      790 1 1 a    11  ^and in'deed 'the . the 'state of . prepar\ation# -/ 
 513      800 1 1 a    11  [@:] - . that they ^have 'when :they 'come t\o us# / 
 513      810 1 1 a    11  ^s/o# -                                            / 
 513      820 1 2 a    12  it was ^just [@:] [t@] [@] ^really a[?] :putting   / 
 513      820 1 1 a    12  down a !m\/arker#                                  / 
 513      830 1 2 a    11  that the ^uni'versity`s :got a :lot of !th\inking ./ 
 513      830 1 1 a    11  to {^do a:bout th\at#}# - -                        / 
 513      840 1 1 a    11  [@?] ^we were "!t\old a'bout _[dhi]# -             / 
 513      850 1 2 a    11  De^{v\elopment} . of [dhi] Re:lationship . with    / 
 513      850 1 1 a    11  !\Industry . Com:m/ittee#                          / 
 513      860 1 1 a    11  ^chaired 'by - 'Mr "!Pr\/ior# -                    / 
 513      870 1 1 a    11  and it was ^cl\ear that#                           / 
 513      880 1 2 a    11  ^that comm:ittee - is :seeing . it_self in a :very / 
 513      880 1 1 a    11  . "!p\/olicy 'oriented 'role# -                    / 
 513      890 1 1 a    11  and the ^C 'V _C =P#                               / 
 513      900 1 2 a    11  is ^now !thinking in :terms of . !setting up a -   / 
 513      900 1 1 a    11  !p\/arallel 'body# -                               / 
 513      910 1 2 a    11  [@:] to be con^cerned !{m\ore with}                / 
 513      910 1 1 a    11  :implemen!t\ation# .                               / 
 513      920 1 1 a    11  in ^other w=ords# .                                / 
 513      930 1 1 a    11  ^pr\actical 'steps#                                / 
 513      940 1 1 a    11  which the uni^versities can !t\ake# -              / 
 513      950 1 1 a    11  to ^follow up - !p\olicy _recommend'ations#        / 
 513      960 1 1 a    11  from the ^Prior Com:m\ittee# - -                   / 
 513      970 1 1 a    11  as I`m ^sure everyone`s a:w/are#                   / 
 513      980 1 2 a    11  [dhi] . comm^ittee :e{l/ected} Sir 'Mark           / 
 513      980 1 1 a    11  :R/ichmond# -                                      / 
 513      990 1 1 a    11  to be their ^ch\/airman#                           / 
 513     1000 1 2 a    12  from ^[se@?] from Sep^tember 'nineteen .           / 
 513     1000 1 1 a    12  'eighty!s\even# - - -                              / 
 513     1010 1 1 a    11  ^f\inally - [@:] :Ch/airman#                       / 
 513     1020 1 2 a    11  and ^this . may :be a . a :point . of par:ticular  / 
 513     1020 1 1 a    11  con:{c\ern} to the "!C\/ouncil# - -                / 
 513     1030 1 1 a    11  [~] the Comm^ittee were ad_v\ised . {^b\y#}# .     / 
 513     1040 1 1 a    11  ^\/one 'vice'chancellor# -                         / 
 513     1050 1 1 a    11  about ^new legis:lation in . :Pakis!t\/an#         / 
 513     1060 1 1 a    11  ^which . could !m/ake# .                           / 
 513     1070 1 2 a    11  the ^publi'cation of h[i@]:retical "!st\/atements# / 
 513     1070 1 1 a    11  -                                                  / 
 513     1080 1 1 a    11  a ^capital [i]:f\ence# - -                         / 
 513     1090 1 2 a    11  [@:] this has ap^parently al!ready 'caused         / 
 513     1090 1 1 a    11  :s\/erious 'difficultie((s))#                      / 
 513     1100 1 2 a    11  I ^gather :two - 'students are al:ready in !prison / 
 513     1100 1 1 a    11  . "![?]in the c/ountry# -                          / 
 513     1110 1 2 a    11  [@:] as a re^sult of 'work - they sub'mitted as    / 
 513     1110 1 1 a    11  :part of their :Ph :D !th\eses# -                  / 
 513     1120 1 1 a    11  [@:] ^=and#                                        / 
 513     1130 1 1 a    11  the ^point was :r\/aised#                          / 
 513     1140 1 1 a    11  and I ^raise it !h\ere#                            / 
 513     1150 1 1 a    12  ^just . '[tu:] . [@?] a^g\ain#                     / 
 513     1160 1 1 a    11  ^put up a !m\arker#                                / 
 513     1170 1 2 a    11  that there ^is '[ei] . '[ei] :new !{h[\e6]zard} for/ 
 513     1170 1 1 a    11  [s] . for [@] !some of our st\udents# -            / 
 513     1180 1 1 a    11  who ^{m\ight} . "![?]\easily _be mis:{^l\ed#}# -   / 
 513     1190 1 1 a    11  [@?] by ^circum'stances !h\ere#                    / 
 513     1200 1 1 a    11  ^t=o#                                              / 
 513     1210 1 1 a    11  ^wr\iting things#                                  / 
 513     1220 1 1 a    11  that ^might 'cause . them "!d\ifficulty# -         / 
 513     1230 1 1 a    11  [e:] in the ^f\uture#                              / 
 513     1240 1 1 a    11  [~] ^th\ank you 'Chairman# - - -                   / 
 513     1250 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     1260 1 1 b    11  ^th\ank you 'Principal#                            / 
 513     1270 1 1 b    12  I ^think - - be^f\ore 'I . _[?]ask# -              / 
 513     1280 1 2 b    11  [?] [?] if ^anybody would :{l\ike} . to !qu\/estion/ 
 513     1280 1 1 b    11  'you - {^if 'they m/ay#}# -                        / 
 513     1290 1 1 b    11  [@?m] - ^could I "ask the _Academic R\egistrar#    / 
 513     1300 1 1 b    11  ^on that !l\/ast 'point#                           / 
 513     1310 1 1 b    11  ^t/o# .                                            / 
 513     1320 1 1 b    11  ^make 'sure that "!sch\ools - :{^\are#}# -         / 
 513     1330 1 1 b    11  ^well a:{w\are} . of this - "!h\azard#             / 
 513     1340 1 1 b    10  to their st/udents# .                              / 
 513     1350 1 1 b    11  *[@?m] . * ^th\ank you#                            / 
 513     1360 1 1 c    11  *^that`s for y\ou#*                                / 
 513     1370 1 1 d    11  **^Ch\/airman# .                                   / 
 513     1380 1 1 d    11  [@?] [k] . ex^c\use 'me#                           / 
 513     1390 1 1 d    11  [k@d] could ^I \add that _[@?m]# -                 / 
 513     1400 1 2 d    11  [dhi:] ^relevant 'Aca'demic 'Council`s :standing   / 
 513     1400 1 1 d    11  !s\/ub-com'mittees . :{^b\/e in'formed#}#**        / 
 513     1410 1 1 s    20  **(rumbling of mike)**                             / 
 513     1420 1 1(d    11  in conn^\/ection#                                  / 
 513     1430 1 1 d    11  with ^applic=ations _for#                          / 
 513     1440 1 1 d    11  res^triction of :access to th\eses# - -            / 
 513     1450 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     1460 1 1 b    11  ^th\ank you {^Dr Cl\ayderman#}# - - -              / 
 513     1470 1 1 b    11  ^/any# -                                           / 
 513     1480 1 1 b    11  ad^ditional - :questions . p\oints# - .            / 
 513     1490 1 1 b    11  ^n/o# -                                            / 
 513     1500 1 1 s    20  *(rumbling of mike)*                               / 
 513     1510 2 1 e    21  *[kd] ^could I :just +[@m]+*                       / 
 513     1520 1 1 ?    20  +((1 syll))+                                       / 
 513     1510 1 1(e    11  a!{g\[ei]n} on that !l\/ast one#                   / 
 513     1530 1 1 e    11  ^{s\ay} that there`s in "!f\act#                   / 
 513     1540 1 2 e    12  an ^acad'[m7] a member of ^aca:demic !st\/aff in   / 
 513     1540 1 1 e    12  'Paki'stan#                                        / 
 513     1550 1 1 e    11  has ^actually been dis:m=issed# - -                / 
 513     1560 1 1 e    11  ^fr[o6]m his :p\/ost# - -                          / 
 513     1570 1 1 e    11  ^due en!t\irely _to#                               / 
 513     1580 1 3 e    11  the ^s\ubject 'matter of a !thesis he 'wrote at    / 
 513     1580 1 2 e    11  [@?] - ^pr\/obably the .                           / 
 513     1580 1 1 e    11  the ^same !principle ((he !r\aised))#              / 
 513     1590 1 1 e    11  ^\at the 'C 'V 'C /P#                              / 
 513     1600 1 1 e    11  and the ^only r\eason#                             / 
 513     1610 1 2 e    11  that`s con^{str\ained} :anybody from :making any   / 
 513     1610 1 1 e    11  !n\/oise is that#                                  / 
 513     1620 1 1 e    11  he ^hasn`t 'actually :got out of :Paki!st\an yet# ./ 
 513     1630 1 1 e    11  he`s re^siding in the :British !\Embassy# - -      / 
 513     1640 1 1 e    11  but ^I would ex!p=ect# -                           / 
 513     1650 1 1 e    11  both ^this c\ouncil and {^\other 'people#}#        / 
 513     1660 1 1 e    11  to ^actually !take this 'matter :/up# - -          / 
 513     1670 1 1 e    11  that [@:] - he he ^could theor:etically :f\ace#    / 
 513     1680 1 1 e    11  ^sentence of :d\eath# - - -                        / 
 513     1690 1 1 s    20  *(rumbling of mike)*                               / 
 513     1700 1 1 a    11  *[?] ^Ch\/airman#                                  / 
 513     1710 1 1 a    11  [w?] ^{\in} !t\alking#                             / 
 513     1720 1 2 a    11  I ^think that [@:m] - [@] Dr !Stephenson`s :made an/ 
 513     1720 1 1 a    11  im:portant !p\/oint here#                          / 
 513     1730 1 1 a    11  in* ^terms of :how 'we !d\eal with the 'matter# -  / 
 513     1740 1 2 a    11  [@:m] - - I was ^thinking a'bout !general .        / 
 513     1740 1 1 a    11  !c\irculars on the 'subject# -                     / 
 513     1750 1 1 a    11  [@:] I ^think we :need to :th/ink# .               / 
 513     1760 1 1 a    11  ^rather !c\arefully a:{^b\out#}# -                 / 
 513     1770 1 1 a    11  the ^{wh\en} . [?]and the :h\ow# .                 / 
 513     1780 1 1 a    12  ^we[?] we ^go a!b\out that# -                      / 
 513     1790 1 1 a    11  [@:m] . it ^does /\also occ\/ur to 'me#            / 
 513     1800 1 1 a    11  in [?]in . the ^c\/ourse of this dis'cussion# -    / 
 513     1810 1 1 a    11  [@:] about ^whether 'we . !formally . ":kn\ow#     / 
 513     1820 1 1 a    11  that ^this is the !c\ase# .                        / 
 513     1830 1 1 a    11  I ^mean we !kn\ow#                                 / 
 513     1840 1 1 a    11  that it ^is a "!f\act#                             / 
 513     1850 1 1 a    11  but ^whether or :not . !f\/ormally#                / 
 513     1860 1 1 a    12  ^[dhi:] - ^British g\overnment#                    / 
 513     1870 1 2 a    11  has ^been in!f\ormed a'bout the *. :{^((change     / 
 513     1870 1 1 a    11  in))* !l\aw#}#                                     / 
 513     1880 1 1 ?e   11  *^w\ell#                                           / 
 513     1890 1 1 ?e   21  we`ll ^cert*                                       / 
 513     1900 1 2(a    11  [@?] ^so[?] 'we !{w\ill} . !{cl\early} have to .   / 
 513     1900 1 1(a    11  !tr\eat this#                                      / 
 513     1910 1 1 a    11  with ^very 'great c\are# -                         / 
 513     1920 1 2 e    12  [w] ^we 'certainly are in - [@:m] com:mun . ^you   / 
 513     1920 1 1 e    12  kn/ow#                                             / 
 513     1930 1 1 e    11  the ^A 'U !\T`s in#                                / 
 513     1940 1 2 e    11  co^mmuni!{c\ation} with the !F\oreign 'Office      / 
 513     1940 1 1 e    11  {^\/on 'this#}# -                                  / 
 513     1950 1 1 e    11  and ^obviously they kn/ow#                         / 
 513     1960 1 2 e    11  ^since 'this [@:] - [@] :person is :actually [?]   / 
 513     1960 1 1 e    11  [?] as I ^s\aid#                                   / 
 513     1970 1 1 e    11  in the ^British !\Embassy#                         / 
 513     1980 1 1 e    11  as ^far as I :know at the !m\/oment# -             / 
 513     1990 1 1 e    11  ^[ba7?] as !far as !h\/e`s con'cerned#             / 
 513     2000 1 2 e    11  [@?] . we`ve "^actually had :motions with!{dr\awn} / 
 513     2000 1 1 e    11  from our a!g\enda 'paper#                          / 
 513     2010 1 1 e    11  because it`s ex^tremely !s\/ensitive# -            / 
 513     2020 1 1 e    11  I ^would`ve !{th\ought} the :general !pr\inciple#  / 
 513     2030 1 2 e    11  ^once [@?] - this :indi!v\idual is - [@:]          / 
 513     2030 1 1 e    11  {^s\afe#}#                                         / 
 513     2040 1 2 e    21  would [@:] . ^be 'one which we !m\ight 'want _to   / 
 513     2040 1 1 e    21  [@:] -                                             / 
 513     2050 1 2 e    11  would would . "^c\/ould be a 'matter of 'more \open/ 
 513     2050 1 1 e    11  de'bate# -                                         / 
 513     2060 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     2070 1 2 b    12  I ^wonder _whether - - [?] is ^this '((all))       / 
 513     2070 1 1 b    12  :{[?]\actually} ![?]\on#                           / 
 513     2080 1 1 b    11  the ^C _V 'C :{\P`s} - con:tinuing - a!g\enda# .   / 
 513     2090 1 1 b    11  because in the ^\/end# - -                         / 
 513     2100 1 2 b    11  ^[ei] . !represen:tation - [?] . 'from !th\at      / 
 513     2100 1 1 b    11  'body# -                                           / 
 513     2110 1 1 b    11  ^[?]\ought to _carry#                              / 
 513     2120 1 1 b    11  ^quite a lot of w\eight# - - -                     / 
 513     2130 1 1 b    11  or . ^shall 'we !s\ay#                             / 
 513     2140 1 1 b    11  ^carry !m\ore 'weight# -                           / 
 513     2150 1 1 b    11  than "^that from 'indi!v\/iduals#                  / 
 513     2160 1 1 b    11  ^[?]\or# .                                         / 
 513     2170 1 2 b    11  ^[?]indi:vidual :organis!\/ations +{((^`n`         / 
 513     2170 1 1 b    11  th/ings))#}#+                                      / 
 513     2180 1 1 s    20  +(rumbling of mike)+                               / 
 513     2190 1 1 a    11  +well I ^th/ink#+ .                                / 
 513     2200 1 1 a    11  I ^th/ink#                                         / 
 513     2210 1 1 a    11  ^Ch\airman#                                        / 
 513     2220 1 2 a    11  we ^need to :take some !very *{c\areful} .         / 
 513     2220 1 1 a    11  ":back'ground* :s\/oundings 'here#                 / 
 513     2230 1 1 ?b   11  *((^y\es# -                                        / 
 513     2240 1 1 ?b   11  ^y=es#))*                                          / 
 513     2250 1 1(a    11  the ^C 'V 'C :\P#                                  / 
 513     2260 1 1 a    11  I ^{th\ink is} ":t\aking '[dhi:] . {^l\ine#}#      / 
 513     2270 1 1 a    11  that ^I`ve !just - [i]:nn\ounced# .                / 
 513     2280 1 1 a    11  that it that it ^might b/e# .                      / 
 513     2290 1 1 a    11  ^\/actually# -                                     / 
 513     2300 1 1 a    11  [?m7] ^detri!m\ental 'to# .                        / 
 513     2310 1 1 a    11  ^indi_vidual !\interest#                           / 
 513     2320 1 1 a    11  to ^do !too 'much :too p\ublicly# -                / 
 513     2330 1 1 a    11  ^at 'this st\age# .                                / 
 513     2340 1 1 a    21  I ^th\ink 'you can .                               / 
 513     2350 1 1 a    11  ^take it as :s\/ure#                               / 
 513     2360 1 2 a    11  that it ^won`t 'be - [@:] for:g\otten - {^this     / 
 513     2360 1 1 a    11  \issue#}# - - -                                    / 
 513     2370 1 1 s    20  (turning of pages) (rumbling of mike)              / 
 513     2380 1 1 f    11  [@::m] - [?] [?] . the "^Pr\incipal#               / 
 513     2390 1 2 f    11  re^ferred {t\o} '[@:m] - - the pro:vision in the   / 
 513     2390 1 1 f    11  :Edu_c\ation 'Act#                                 / 
 513     2400 1 1 f    11  a^bout . !freedom of !sp\eech#                     / 
 513     2410 1 2 f    11  which ^casts [@:] an :obli:gation on !\all         / 
 513     2410 1 1 f    11  uni:{^versities and !c\olleges#}#                  / 
 513     2420 1 2 f    11  to pro"^duce . their :\own - . :{^code of          / 
 513     2420 1 1 f    11  :pr\/actice#}# .                                   / 
 513     2430 1 2 f    11  [?:] [?] [?] [@:m] ^is !he {\actually} adv=ising   / 
 513     2430 1 1 f    11  _us#                                               / 
 513     2440 1 1 f    11  that that ^we 'should a:w=ait# -                   / 
 513     2450 1 2 f    11  [dh] [dhi:] [@m] . ^code of _practice _drawn up    / 
 513     2450 1 1 f    11  !b\y the 'C 'V 'C 'P# - - -                        / 
 513     2460 1 1 a    11  ^th\ank you 'General#                              / 
 513     2470 1 1 a    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 513     2480 1 1 a    11  I ^must de!{cl\are} an :\interest /first#          / 
 513     2490 1 4 a    11  that ^I`m !{\on} [dhi:] - [@?] :standing           / 
 513     2490 1 3 a    11  :sub-co:mmittee 'who`s !actually :drawing !\up this/ 
 513     2490 1 2 a    11  - [@:] {^code of :c\ond} :[@:] . [@:]              / 
 513     2490 1 1 a    11  :{^pr\/actice#}#                                   / 
 513     2500 1 1 a    11  ^s\/o#                                             / 
 513     2510 1 1 a    11  ^I su:ppose I :m\ay# -                             / 
 513     2520 1 1 a    11  ^may have a !vested :\/interest in it# -           / 
 513     2530 1 1 a    11  [@::] "^\on the 'whole#                            / 
 513     2540 1 2 a    11  I ^think it !m\/ight be _worth_while to            / 
 513     2540 1 1 a    11  "^just to :h\/ear 'what#                           / 
 513     2550 1 2 a    11  the ^C "V 'C :P [?]is _s\aying :n/ationally        / 
 513     2550 1 1 a    11  be_{^fore _we - we :go a:h/ead#}#                  / 
 513     2560 1 1 a    11  but [?]I ^d\on`t 'think#                           / 
 513     2570 1 1 a    12  there`s ^{\any} . [?] "^[?]over:/all#              / 
 513     2580 1 1 a    11  ^[?]over !r\iding im'perative to :w/ait# - -       / 
 513     2590 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike;  turning of pages)              / 
 513     2600 1 1 f    11  I ^only :\/ask#                                    / 
 513     2610 1 2 f    11  because ^{sch\ools} of the :uni!v\ersity will      / 
 513     2610 1 1 f    11  !{^cl\early#}#                                     / 
 513     2620 1 2 f    11  [?] [?] ^[?]either :feel they must [ged] !on with  / 
 513     2620 1 1 f    11  this !qu\/ickly#                                   / 
 513     2630 1 1 f    11  or . [?]or [?]or ^should be ad:v\ised to a":w=ait# / 
 513     2640 1 2 f    11  [@?m] ^those tho :{th\ose} [@?m] de:liber!\ations# / 
 513     2640 1 1 f    11  - - -                                              / 
 513     2650 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     2660 1 1 b    11  ^s\o#                                              / 
 513     2670 1 1 b    11  ^would the ad!vice b\e - :{^pr\incipal#}#          / 
 513     2680 1 1 b    11  that ^[?]/at the 'moment#                          / 
 513     2690 1 1 b    11  that . ^we should 'be !th\inking a'bout it# - -    / 
 513     2700 1 1 b    11  [?m] - [?] [?o?] in ^r\ather# .                    / 
 513     2710 1 1 b    11  [?]on the ^l=ines we _have# -                      / 
 513     2720 1 1 b    11  in ^m\/ost 'cases th\ought# .                      / 
 513     2730 1 1 b    11  in ^p\arallel with the :C V _C _=P#                / 
 513     2740 1 1 b    11  ^on the !various m\atters#                         / 
 513     2750 1 1 b    11  on ^which 'they`ve !\issued#                       / 
 513     2760 1 1 b    11  ^codes of :pr\actice :{^up to _n\ow#}#             / 
 513     2770 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     2780 1 1 a    11  ^yes Ch/airman#                                    / 
 513     2790 1 1 a    11  that ^is corr\ect#                                 / 
 513     2800 1 1 a    11  and the[?] the Co^llegiate C\ouncil# .             / 
 513     2810 1 2 a    12  has ^al[?] . ^has al'ready "taken that - on b\oard#/ 
 513     2810 1 1 a    12  - - -                                              / 
 513     2820 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike) .                               / 
 513     2830 1 1 b    11  ^r\ight# -                                         / 
 513     2840 1 1 b    11  well ^thank y/\ou 'then# -                         / 
 513     2850 1 1 b    11  per^haps we can :{m\ove} on to 'item !f\/ive#      / 
 513     2860 1 2 b    11  ^which 'I - !!don`t 'think . 'will . :take us      / 
 513     2860 1 1 b    11  :l/ong# .                                          / 
 513     2870 1 1 b    11  [@?] - - I ^th\ink . by :{^n\ow#}# -               / 
 513     2880 1 2 b    11  ^we are !possibly the :{l\ast} [f:] !formal b\ody# / 
 513     2880 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 513     2890 1 1 b    11  [@?] to ^h\ave 'this# .                            / 
 513     2900 1 1 b    11  ^very !happy re!{p\ort} . _made !t\/o us# -        / 
 513     2910 1 1 b    11  ^that '[dhi:] - - !f\/ormal 'problems#             / 
 513     2920 1 1 b    11  be^tw\een# - .                                     / 
 513     2930 1 1 b    11  ^B=arts# -                                         / 
 513     2940 1 1 b    11  ^Queen E:l\izabeth#                                / 
 513     2950 1 1 b    11  ^{Qu\een} . :M\/ary#                               / 
 513     2960 1 1 b    11  and the ^['la7nd@?] - :H\/ospital# - .             / 
 513     2970 1 1 b    11  ^have - [@:] :been . s/olved#                      / 
 513     2980 1 1 b    11  and ^n\ow# - .                                     / 
 513     2990 1 1 b    11  [?] it is a ^matter 'of ":getting d\own# -         / 
 513     3000 1 1 b    11  a ^lot of !d\etailed 'work# .                      / 
 513     3010 1 2 b    11  [tu:] ^make s=ure that _[dhi:] .                   / 
 513     3010 1 1 b    11  _[@?] - ^wh/at is it 'now#                         / 
 513     3020 1 2 b    11  [dhi?] . ^{\I [@m]} "!haven`t :got the ![na?] the  / 
 513     3020 1 1 b    11  !!n\ame 'right#                                    / 
 513     3030 1 2 b    11  the ^City in :{\East} :L\ondon * -                 / 
 513     3030 1 1 b    11  {Con^fede:r\/ation#}# -                            / 
 513     3040 1 1 s    20  *(woman`s voice whispering)*                       / 
 513     3050 1 1(b    11  will ^actually .* :come to fru\ition# - .          / 
 513     3060 1 1 b    11  and I ^th\ink that# - -                            / 
 513     3070 1 1 b    11  ^{w\e} !t\oo#                                      / 
 513     3080 1 1 b    11  should con^gratulate :all 'those con:c/erned# - -  / 
 513     3090 1 1 b    11  Pro^fessor !D\iplock#                              / 
 513     3100 1 1 b    11  is ^not "!actually :h\/ere at the 'moment#         / 
 513     3110 1 1 b    11  but - the ^D=ean# - .                              / 
 513     3120 1 1 b    11  ^Chairman of :W =O M A C# - -                      / 
 513     3130 1 1 b    11  ^c=ollege repre_sentatives# .                      / 
 513     3140 1 1 b    11  the ^Pr\incipal#                                   / 
 513     3150 1 1 b    11  I`m ^{qu\ite} :s\/ure# -                           / 
 513     3160 1 1 b    11  [@:m] and . [@] . a ^whole lot of :\other 'people# / 
 513     3170 1 1 b    11  who ^worked 'very :h\/ard# .                       / 
 513     3180 1 1 b    11  [@?] in the "^back "end of the !s\ummer# - - -     / 
 513     3190 1 1 b    11  and ^we 'are :\asked# - .                          / 
 513     3200 1 1 b    11  I ^th\ink 'to# .                                   / 
 513     3210 1 1 b    11  en^d\orse# -                                       / 
 513     3220 1 1 b    11  [@?] [dhi:] ^J 'P _C`s :v\/iew#                    / 
 513     3230 1 2 b    11  ^which you will !{f\ind} on 'page !tw\o - {^n\ear  / 
 513     3230 1 1 b    11  the 'bottom#}# -                                   / 
 513     3240 1 1 b    11  ^where _they _r/\eco'mmend#                        / 
 513     3250 1 1 b    11  to the ^C\ourt and :{^S\enate#}#                   / 
 513     3260 1 1 b    11  ^that "!s\ubject#                                  / 
 513     3270 1 1 b    11  to the ^v=iews#                                    / 
 513     3280 1 1 b    11  of the ^Aca'demic _{C\ouncil} . _et c\etera# - -   / 
 513     3290 1 1 b    11  ^s\o#                                              / 
 513     3300 1 1 b    11  ^[?]if we :{m\ay} en:d\orse their# - -             / 
 513     3310 1 1 b    11  [@?] ^recommen:d/ation# - - -                      / 
 513     3320 1 1 s    20  (rustling of paper)                                / 
 513     3330 1 1(b    11  I think ^that would _be a :good th\ing# - -        / 
 513     3340 1 1 ?    11  ((^w=e _may#))                                     / 
 513     3350 1 1 b    11  ^th\ank 'you# - - .                                / 
 513     3360 1 1 b    11  ^n\ow# .                                           / 
 513     3370 1 1 b    11  ^item s\ix#                                        / 
 513     3380 1 1 b    11  ^[/@:m]#                                           / 
 513     3390 1 1 b    11  re^view of :\/Arts#                                / 
 513     3400 1 1 b    11  for ^which you :have :Document \A !s/ix# -         / 
 513     3410 1 1 b    11  ^and - - 'where . 'I [w?] re!{f\er 'you} :\/also# -/ 
 513     3420 1 1 b    11  ^to . '[dhi:] - - !m=inutes# .                     / 
 513     3430 1 1 b    11  ^one 'six :s\even#                                 / 
 513     3440 1 1 b    11  to ^one six !n\/ine# .                             / 
 513     3450 1 2 b    12  of the ^A 'C :E 'C [@::m] - - - per^haps 'I could  / 
 513     3450 1 1 b    12  :say a :{f\ew 'words} - . \/on this 'matter# .     / 
 513     3460 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^first of =all# -                          / 
 513     3470 1 1 b    11  in a ^s\ense# - .                                  / 
 513     3480 1 1 b    11  ^as [t\u:] '[dhi:] . !st\atus# -                   / 
 513     3490 1 2 b    11  if ^that`s the 'right {w=ord} . '[?]of _[?]of 'this/ 
 513     3490 1 1 b    11  initiat\ive# -                                     / 
 513     3500 1 1 b    11  ^[/@:m]# .                                         / 
 513     3510 1 1 b    11  ^in the :p\/ast# -                                 / 
 513     3520 1 2 b    11  [dhi:?] ^subject :area re!v\iews [k@m?] .          / 
 513     3520 1 1 b    11  re^v\iew co'mmittees and s/o on#                   / 
 513     3530 1 1 b    11  were co"^{mm\issioned} by the :J 'P :\/C# .        / 
 513     3540 1 2 b    11  and - they - "^{n\ormally} :had an :ex'ternal -    / 
 513     3540 1 1 b    11  !person . as ch\airman# -                          / 
 513     3550 1 1 b    11  ^{h\ere} we _have - an !\/internal . re'view# -    / 
 513     3560 1 1 b    11  which has been ^started =up#                       / 
 513     3570 1 1 b    11  ^on the in!\itiative . _of# .                      / 
 513     3580 1 1 b    11  Pro^fessors !{Bl\ack'well} and :L/inley# - -       / 
 513     3590 1 1 b    11  [?] ^talking . '[tu:] the :D\eans {of ^=Arts#}# .  / 
 513     3600 1 1 b    11  ^in the :sch\ools# - .                             / 
 513     3610 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - - ^/I th\ink# -                            / 
 513     3620 1 2 b    11  that ^this . 'is [ei] !very _v\aluable -           / 
 513     3620 1 1 b    11  {in^\itiative#}# -                                 / 
 513     3630 1 2 b    11  I ^{th\ink} that :it . 'is - -                     / 
 513     3630 1 1 b    11  ^I would !go so !far as to :s=ay#                  / 
 513     3640 1 1 b    11  an e"^ss\/ential 'thing# .                         / 
 513     3650 1 1 b    12  to be ^ca[?] to be ^carried /out#                  / 
 513     3660 1 1 b    11  because ^if _we d\on`t# -                          / 
 513     3670 1 1 b    11  ^{f\ind out} for :{\our}!s\/elves#                 / 
 513     3680 1 1 b    11  ^how '[?]arts /are# .                              / 
 513     3690 1 1 b    11  ^in the 'Uni:v=ersity# .                           / 
 513     3700 1 1 b    11  how ^healthy they =are# -                          / 
 513     3710 1 1 b    11  h ^how . :f=ar#                                    / 
 513     3720 1 1 b    11  [?]are they ^under ":pressure - and !s\/o 'on# -   / 
 513     3730 1 1 b    11  then ^s\omebody# .                                 / 
 513     3740 1 1 b    11  ^outs/ide# -                                       / 
 513     3750 1 1 b    11  the ^wicked \uncle# -                              / 
 513     3760 1 1 b    11  the ^U 'G !\/C#                                    / 
 513     3770 1 1 b    11  is ^going '[tu:] !{st\art} !d\oing it# -           / 
 513     3780 1 1 b    11  ^p\iece'meal# -                                    / 
 513     3790 1 2 b    11  [@?] and ^they 'are :going '[tu:] - [??]!reach     / 
 513     3790 1 1 b    11  de!c\/isions# -                                    / 
 513     3800 1 1 b    11  on ^bases that 'we - "!cann\ot . re:f/ute# -       / 
 513     3810 1 2 b    11  be^cause 'we will :not have any _{\evidence} of    / 
 513     3810 1 1 b    11  'our :\/own#                                       / 
 513     3820 1 2 b    11  ^that per"!{h\aps} is a ":n\egative 'reason . 'for / 
 513     3820 1 1 b    11  . d/oing this# -                                   / 
 513     3830 1 1 b    11  ^p\/ositively#                                     / 
 513     3840 1 1 b    11  I ^think it is a !h\ealthy 'thing#                 / 
 513     3850 1 1 b    11  that ^we should !kn\/ow 'how 'we 'stand# - -       / 
 513     3860 1 1 b    11  ^so that we !kn\ow# -                              / 
 513     3870 1 1 b    11  ^where for ex\ample# .                             / 
 513     3880 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - ^arts de:partments have "!s\uffered over   / 
 513     3880 1 1 b    11  the :last _few y/ears# - .                         / 
 513     3890 1 1 b    11  ^wh\ere# .                                         / 
 513     3900 1 1 b    11  they are ^hoping to g\/o# - -                      / 
 513     3910 1 1 b    11  and ^what re:sources - 'would be :n=eeded# -       / 
 513     3920 1 1 b    11  if ^they _are to !g\o 'there# .                    / 
 513     3930 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^s\o#                                      / 
 513     3940 1 1 b    11  ^/\I 'think# -                                     / 
 513     3950 1 1 b    12  that ^this we ^should . 'actua_lly - en:d=orse# .  / 
 513     3960 1 1 b    11  ^this ac!t\ivity# -                                / 
 513     3970 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - I ^{th\ink} at :having !s\/aid 'that .     / 
 513     3970 1 1 b    11  'one# - -                                          / 
 513     3980 1 1 b    11  ^[?]I had !{b\etter} :s\/ay#                       / 
 513     3990 1 1 b    11  that that ^at the Co!ll\/egiate 'Council#          / 
 513     4000 1 1 b    11  it ^wasn`t 'actually re!c\eived ec":st/atically# - / 
 513     4010 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - - ^n\/ot for 'minuting I 'think#           / 
 513     4020 1 1 b    11  that ^that was !p\artly be'cause#                  / 
 513     4030 1 2 b    11  that ^one or :{tw\o} [?]of [dhi:] . "heads of      / 
 513     4030 1 1 b    11  :c\/olleges 'there#                                / 
 513     4040 1 1 b    11  ^hadn`t :{\/actually} "!read the !p\apers#         / 
 513     4050 1 1 b    11  [@:m] ^and _[??] _[dhi?] - !f\eeling 'was#         / 
 513     4060 1 2 b    11  that it was ^going 'on and in"!fringing the        / 
 513     4060 1 1 b    11  pre:rogatives - [?o?]of !sch\/ools# -              / 
 513     4070 1 1 b    11  ^[/@:m]# .                                         / 
 513     4080 1 1 b    11  ^whereas in ":f\act# .                             / 
 513     4090 1 2 b    12  ^\any 'rec . ^recommen!dations that !come out of   / 
 513     4090 1 1 b    12  this :\/excercise#                                 / 
 513     4100 1 1 b    11  are ^[?]\obviously# -                              / 
 513     4110 1 1 b    11  ^[haef] to _have a :school \in'put# -              / 
 513     4120 1 1 b    11  [?@?] ^/and#                                       / 
 513     4130 1 1 b    11  it ^is 'actually ":built in al!r\/eady#            / 
 513     4140 1 1 b    11  be^cause the d\eans are :th/ere# -                 / 
 513     4150 1 1 b    12  ^and [@?] - I ^tr\ust#                             / 
 513     4160 1 2 b    11  that ^deans of :sch/ools 'talk to their h\eads of  / 
 513     4160 1 1 b    11  'schools# - -                                      / 
 513     4170 1 1 b    11  ^[\@:m]# - - -                                     / 
 513     4180 1 1 b    11  ^s=o# - -                                          / 
 513     4190 1 1 b    11  "^this . is {m\y} !f\/eeling . a'bout it#          / 
 513     4200 1 2 b    11  that . it is "^naturally _going to a'rouse -       / 
 513     4200 1 1 b    11  :w\/orries# .                                      / 
 513     4210 1 2 b    11  [@?] - in a^mongst . par!ticularly . I would       / 
 513     4210 1 1 b    11  :gu/ess#                                           / 
 513     4220 1 2 b    11  ^{members . of :st\aff} in :smallish               / 
 513     4220 1 1 b    11  de:p\/artments# .                                  / 
 513     4230 1 1 b    11  as to ^whether it`s a :thr/eat# -                  / 
 513     4240 1 2 b    11  [?] it . [sh] "^{sh\ould not} :be _constr\ued . in / 
 513     4240 1 1 b    11  that w/ay {in ^m/y 'view#}# -                      / 
 513     4250 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - that - - pro^{v\ided} that the :d\ocument# / 
 513     4250 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 513     4260 1 1 b    11  is . ^used - with!in . 'this :univ/ersity# - -     / 
 513     4270 1 1 b    11  in a ^proper f\ashion# -                           / 
 513     4280 1 1 b    11  and is ^not a{ll\owed} . to be "!f\ired 'out#      / 
 513     4290 1 2 b    12  ^as . an ^answer to :somebody`s :{pr\ayer} from    / 
 513     4290 1 1 b    12  'out!s\/ide#                                       / 
 513     4300 1 1 b    11  with^out a 'lot of th\ought#                       / 
 513     4310 1 1 b    11  [@?] in ^=other _words#                            / 
 513     4320 1 1 b    11  it is "^{n\ot} !m\/is'used# -                      / 
 513     4330 1 2 b    11  [@?] I ^don`t 'see that [i?] - 'will [@]           / 
 513     4330 1 1 b    11  {pre:s\ent} - :any thr\eats# .                     / 
 513     4340 1 1 b    11  to a ^recommen'dation from th\ese# -               / 
 513     4350 1 2 b    11  and I think ^that`s the _only :((['kaevi@?]))      / 
 513     4350 1 1 b    11  !p\/ersonally#                                     / 
 513     4360 1 1 b    11  ^I would :like to !p\ut on it#                     / 
 513     4370 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^could _I - 'ask Prof:essor !Bl\ack'well#  / 
 513     4380 1 1 b    21  ^whether he would :l\ike 'to -                     / 
 513     4390 1 1 s    20  (banging on mike, rumbling)                        / 
 513     4400 1 1 g    11  [@:] the re^view is in :pr\/ogress# -              / 
 513     4410 1 2 g    11  we ^have [@] !twentyfour :{s\ubject} :area         / 
 513     4410 1 1 g    11  co!mm\ittees# -                                    / 
 513     4420 1 1 g    11  ^covering _[dhi:] [@] . :/arts# -                  / 
 513     4430 1 1 g    11  ^in '[dhi:] . :univ\ersity# -                      / 
 513     4440 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^each comm=ittee#                             / 
 513     4450 1 1 g    11  con^sisting [??]=of#                               / 
 513     4460 1 1 g    11  ^heads of 'de:p\artments# -                        / 
 513     4470 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^in . 'that !s\/ubject 'area# -               / 
 513     4480 1 1 g    11  ^and '[?]at '[dhi:] [@?] . su!gg\estion#           / 
 513     4490 1 1 g    11  of the ex^ecutive co'mmittee of this !C\/ouncil# - / 
 513     4500 1 2 g    11  the ^{Ch\airman} of of the [b] :Board of           / 
 513     4500 1 1 g    11  !St\/udies# -                                      / 
 513     4510 1 1 g    11  [@::m] - - the ^D\/ean`s Co'mmittee#               / 
 513     4520 1 1 g    11  which is ^over!s\eeing# .                          / 
 513     4530 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^this oper/ation#                             / 
 513     4540 1 1 g    11  con^sists 'of . !Deans of \Arts# - -               / 
 513     4550 1 2 g    11  [a:] ^in [@] :sch\/ools . {^of the 'uni:v/ersity#}#/ 
 513     4550 1 1 g    11  -                                                  / 
 513     4560 1 1 g    11  ^or !{[?]\other _[?]arts} repre:s\entatives# -     / 
 513     4570 1 1 g    11  where there`s ^not a !s\eparate 'faculty# - - -    / 
 513     4580 1 1 g    11  ^we `ave :/asked#                                  / 
 513     4590 1 1 g    11  ^[dhi:] '[@?] - !m\/embers of that com'mittee# - . / 
 513     4600 1 1 g    11  ^Alma Linley and /I# -                             / 
 513     4610 1 1 g    11  ^[t\u:]# -                                         / 
 513     4620 1 1 g    11  [@] "^make s=ure#                                  / 
 513     4630 1 2 g    11  that "^[?]all 'members _[?]of their !\/arts        / 
 513     4630 1 1 g    11  'faculty#                                          / 
 513     4640 1 1 g    11  are a^{w/are} '[?]of the rev/iew# - .              / 
 513     4650 1 1 g    11  ^and 'can . [@?] :m/ake#                           / 
 513     4660 1 1 g    11  [@] ^any sug:gestions they :l\ike# - -             / 
 513     4670 1 2 g    11  [@:m] - ^indi:vidual !m\embers 'of the _Arts       / 
 513     4670 1 1 g    11  F/aculty#                                          / 
 513     4680 1 1 g    11  can ^\either# - - .                                / 
 513     4690 1 2 g    11  can ^make their sug:{g/estions} 'through the       / 
 513     4690 1 1 g    11  'de:part_mental com:m/ittee#                       / 
 513     4700 1 1 g    11  or the ^[?]Arts F\/aculty#                         / 
 513     4710 1 1 g    11  of the ^indi:vidual :sch/ool#                      / 
 513     4720 2 1 g    21  ^or 'through the 'Board *of ((several sylls))*     / 
 513     4730 1 1 s    20  *(humming)*                                        / 
 513     4720 1 1(g    11  ^and that _if 'we :d\/o 'so# - .                   / 
 513     4740 1 2 g    11  [@] ^we`ve been en!s\ured that _[@?m] - - _[@:]# - / 
 513     4740 1 1 g    11  -                                                  / 
 513     4750 1 1 g    11  [???] our ^own . [?:] con!cl\/usions# .            / 
 513     4760 1 1 g    11  will ^be [@] - ac!cepted by :U 'G !\C# - - -       / 
 513     4770 1 1 g    11  [@:m] - - ^as has been !s\aid# .                   / 
 513     4780 1 1 g    11  ^this comm:/ittee# -                               / 
 513     4790 1 1 g    11  [@?] ^d\ean's comm:/ittee#                         / 
 513     4800 1 1 g    11  has ^only an ad!v\/isory 'function#                / 
 513     4810 1 1 g    11  [@?] and [@:m] [dh@?] ^any recommen!d\ations#      / 
 513     4820 1 1 g    11  that [i?] - ^may !m\/ake# -                        / 
 513     4830 1 2 g    12  will ^go '[tu:] [@:m] - - - [a7:] the ^various .   / 
 513     4830 1 1 g    12  com!m\ittees of the uni:v/ersity#                  / 
 513     4840 1 2 g    11  in^cluding [@:] the :{=Academic _Council} . :and   / 
 513     4840 1 1 g    11  _its [@:] . !s\ub . com'mittees# - - -             / 
 513     4850 1 1 g    11  ^th\ank . 'you#                                    / 
 513     4860 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     4870 1 1 b    11  ^(([\ngk] 'you))#                                  / 
 513     4880 1 1 b    10  Prof\essor L\inley# .                              / 
 513     4890 1 1 b    11  [w?] . would ^y/ou 'like to {^/add 'anything#}# -  / 
 513     4900 1 2 h    11  I . ^don`t !think 'I 'n\eed 'add 'anything th/ank  / 
 513     4900 1 1 h    11  _you . 'Chairman#                                  / 
 513     4910 1 1 h    11  ^that [@?] - !sums it \up#                         / 
 513     4920 1 1 h    11  I ^th/ink# - - -                                   / 
 513     4930 1 1 s    20  (rustling of papers, rumbling of mike)             / 
 513     4940 1 1 b    11  Pro^fessor B\owie# - -                             / 
 513     4950 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike, slapping noises)                / 
 513     4960 1 2 j    12  ^purely . ^purely on a . :matter of :infor!m\ation / 
 513     4960 1 1 j    12  Ch/airman# -                                       / 
 513     4970 1 1 j    11  ^thr\ough 'you#                                    / 
 513     4980 1 1 j    11  ^may 'I '=ask of Prof:essor :Bl\ackwell#           / 
 513     4990 1 1 j    11  ^ge\ography#                                       / 
 513     5000 1 1 j    11  is ^all _things to :all _m\en#                     / 
 513     5010 1 1 j    11  it ^sits in !both f\aculties#                      / 
 513     5020 1 1 j    11  is ^that 'being in:v/estigated# - - .              / 
 513     5030 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     5040 1 1 g    11  ^no it !\isn`t#                                    / 
 513     5050 1 2 g    10  [@:m] - - - [?a7:] - - [a7pl] - - - there are a    / 
 513     5050 1 1 g    10  ^n\umber 'of _[@?m] - :{^s\/ubject 'areas#}# .     / 
 513     5060 1 1 g    11  [@?] that - ^in par!t\icular - :{^sch\/ools#}# .   / 
 513     5070 1 1 g    11  are ^counted within an :arts f\aculty# -           / 
 513     5080 1 2 g    12  [@:] and ^other 'schools may be :[ka7?d] . ^counted/ 
 513     5080 1 1 g    12  in [@] . a :sc/ience 'faculty#                     / 
 513     5090 1 1 g    11  or a "^s\/ocial science 'faculty#                  / 
 513     5100 1 1 g    11  we de^cided to :"f\ollow#                          / 
 513     5110 1 1 g    11  [?] in ^this '[@:] :\instance#                     / 
 513     5120 1 2 g    11  be^[ko6s] there is !no uni!{f\ormity}  :\anyway    / 
 513     5120 1 1 g    11  with:{^in the univ!\ersity#}#                      / 
 513     5130 1 1 g    11  [@:] [dhi:] ^defin'ition [?:] 'of :s\ubjects#      / 
 513     5140 1 1 g    11  ac^cording '[tu:] the[?] . :\U G '/C#              / 
 513     5150 1 1 g    11  and ^we ex!cl\uded there'fore# - -                 / 
 513     5160 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^ge\ogra'phy# -                               / 
 513     5170 1 1 g    11  ^[?]and '[?]also :[?]anthro"p\ology#               / 
 513     5180 1 1 g    11  which ^is [@:] - in :some [@m] - [@:] c\olleges# . / 
 513     5190 1 1 g    11  ^part of the :arts !f\aculty# - - -                / 
 513     5200 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     5210 1 1 b    11  Mr ^W\eatherby#                                    / 
 513     5220 1 1 b    21  ((you . ^will you))                                / 
 513     5230 1 1 k    11  Mr ^Ch\airman#                                     / 
 513     5240 1 1 k    11  you ^s\aid that [@m]#                              / 
 513     5250 1 1 k    11  [dhi:] ^document :wasn`t ec":statically rec/eived# / 
 513     5260 1 1 k    11  ^at Collegiate !C\/ouncil# -                       / 
 513     5270 1 1 k    11  I ^think it`s :f\air {^to :s\ay#}#                 / 
 513     5280 1 1 k    11  that the ^ecstasy m/\eter#                         / 
 513     5290 1 1 k    11  ^wasn`t 'actually - at its !!h\ighest#             / 
 513     5300 1 2 k    11  at the^ology 'arts and 'music 'standing            / 
 513     5300 1 1 k    11  'sub-com'mittee !\/either# -                       / 
 513     5310 1 2 k    11  [@:m] . ^not be'cause :members had :{f\ailed to    / 
 513     5310 1 1 k    11  'read} the !p\/apers#                              / 
 513     5320 1 2 k    11  but I ^think be'cause they "!h\ad 'read the        / 
 513     5320 1 1 k    11  'papers#* -                                        / 
 513     5330 1 1 s    20  *(chuckles all round)*                             / 
 513     5340 1 2(k    11  and* . [@:m] - ^some of '[dhi:] sug:gested _terms  / 
 513     5340 1 1(k    11  of _r\/eference 'were# -                           / 
 513     5350 1 1 k    12  [@:m] - - ^s\een as - - p`raps ^n\ot#              / 
 513     5360 1 1 k    11  [@:] as con^structive as they !m\/ight 'be# -      / 
 513     5370 1 1 k    11  ^n\ow[?]# .                                        / 
 513     5380 1 2 k    11  I was ^very gl\ad to 'hear Prof_essor 'Blackwell   / 
 513     5380 1 1 k    11  :{^s\ay that [@m]#}# -                             / 
 513     5390 1 2 k    11  ^all !m\embers of of the 'Faculty of _Arts - in the/ 
 513     5390 1 1 k    11  Uni_versity#                                       / 
 513     5400 1 1 k    11  would be in^cl\uded in this :\/exercise# -         / 
 513     5410 1 1 k    11  ^w\as# .                                           / 
 513     5420 1 2 k    11  ^one of the 'things that . _[@m] !s\eemed to       / 
 513     5420 1 1 k    11  e'merge# -                                         / 
 513     5430 1 1 k    11  [?@] . from the ^p/apers# .                        / 
 513     5440 1 2 k    11  ^was that the 'exercise would :be con:f\ined '[tu:]/ 
 513     5440 1 1 k    11  [@?m]# -                                           / 
 513     5450 1 1 k    11  ^such ex!alted :b\eings _[@z] [@m]# -              / 
 513     5460 1 1 k    11  ^deans and :heads of . de!!p\artments#             / 
 513     5470 1 1 k    11  ^y\ou 'know like# -                                / 
 513     5480 1 1 k    11  [@:m] - - [@:] - . ^recognised :t\/eachers#        / 
 513     5490 1 1 k    11  very ^r\ightly# -                                  / 
 513     5500 1 1 k    12  [@] ^[me] ^made the p/oint# -                      / 
 513     5510 1 1 k    11  [@:m] - that [@] . ^they !t\oo# .                  / 
 513     5520 1 1 k    11  [@:] had a ^st/ake in 'this#                       / 
 513     5530 1 1 k    11  and per^haps . rather !m\/ore of a 'stake#         / 
 513     5540 1 2 k    11  ^given that 'they were :likely on :average to      / 
 513     5540 1 1 k    11  ":have a _longer t/ime in# -                       / 
 513     5550 1 1 k    11  ^left [tu:] them in :this _university :s\ervice# . / 
 513     5560 1 1 k    12  so ^I was ^I was !v\ery 'glad#                     / 
 513     5570 1 1 k    11  that Prof^essor !Bl\/ackwell#                      / 
 513     5580 1 1 k    11  ^m\/ade that 'point# -                             / 
 513     5590 1 1 k    11  ^[/@:m]# .                                         / 
 513     5600 1 1 k    11  ^s\ome of the 'terms of 'reference# - -            / 
 513     5610 1 1 k    22  ^((you ^kn/ow are))                                / 
 513     5620 1 1 k    11  I ^think . [?]are ex!tr\/emely 'helpful#           / 
 513     5630 1 1 k    11  ex^tr\/emely con'structive# -                      / 
 513     5640 1 1 k    11  [@:] par^ticularly the /ones# .                    / 
 513     5650 1 1 k    11  con^c/erned#                                       / 
 513     5660 1 1 k    11  with ^str\/engthening# -                           / 
 513     5670 1 1 k    11  [@] . ^f\ederal# -                                 / 
 513     5680 1 1 k    11  ac^tivities in this !\area# .                      / 
 513     5690 1 1 k    11  be^c=ause#                                         / 
 513     5700 1 1 k    11  of ^c/ourse#                                       / 
 513     5710 1 1 k    11  the ^arts . 'are . un!\iquely 'well 'placed#       / 
 513     5720 1 1 k    11  to ex^ploit _[dhi:] . !['kl\ekte6v] 'strength#     / 
 513     5730 1 1 k    11  of the ^uni!v\ersity# - -                          / 
 513     5740 1 1 k    11  [?] - - I ^th\ink it would 'be# - -                / 
 513     5750 1 1 k    11  ^f\/oolish '[tu]# -                                / 
 513     5760 1 1 k    11  ^try and dis:gu/ise the 'fact#                     / 
 513     5770 1 1 k    11  ^that 'there - !\is un'ease# .                     / 
 513     5780 1 1 k    11  [@?] a^bout this comm/ittee#                       / 
 513     5790 1 1 k    11  [??] among ^m\any members of the 'Faculty of /Arts#/ 
 513     5800 1 1 k    11  ^/and#                                             / 
 513     5810 1 1 k    11  I ^th\ink this un'ease#                            / 
 513     5820 1 1 k    11  ^=is# .                                            / 
 513     5830 1 1 k    11  ^[?]is p\artly# -                                  / 
 513     5840 1 1 k    11  [@?] the re^sult of the w/ay# .                    / 
 513     5850 1 1 k    11  that the re^view . 'was - in!\itially#             / 
 513     5860 1 1 k    11  pre^sented in [n7] in'formal disc\ussions# -       / 
 513     5870 1 2 k    11  [@:] - - I`m ^glad 'also to :see that !th\at`s     / 
 513     5870 1 1 k    11  being taken _care 'of#                             / 
 513     5880 1 2 k    11  and that [@m] - . ^[dhi:] . Committee is likely to / 
 513     5880 1 1 k    11  proc/eed# -                                        / 
 513     5890 1 1 k    11  *^p`raps with :more circum!!sp\/ections#* -        / 
 513     5900 1 1 s    20  *(laugh)*                                          / 
 513     5910 1 1(k    11  ^seemed 'probable at f\irst# -                     / 
 513     5920 1 1 k    11  now [?]I`m ^n\ot 'going _[tu:] [@m]# .             / 
 513     5930 1 2 k    11  ^{t\ake up} the t\ime of :{^Academic C\ouncil#}# - / 
 513     5930 1 1 k    11  .                                                  / 
 513     5940 1 1 k    11  [?:] - ^much on :th/is 'one# -                     / 
 513     5950 1 1 k    11  [@:] - I ^n\ote# -                                 / 
 513     5960 1 2 k    11  ^as [@m] !other members of the :Council will :d/o# / 
 513     5960 1 1 k    11  .                                                  / 
 513     5970 1 1 k    11  that this ^\is al'ready pro:c/eeding# - -          / 
 513     5980 1 2 k    21  [@?m] - ^I /i"!magine that _Academic 'Council      / 
 513     5980 1 1 k    21  [w@:lish] .                                        / 
 513     5990 1 2 k    11  ^will [@] . :wish to _keep an _eye . _[?]on the    / 
 513     5990 1 1 k    11  w\ay in 'which it pro'ceeds# - - -                 / 
 513     6000 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     6010 1 1 b    20  ((you`re right too many aspirin))                  / 
 513     6020 1 1 l    11  ^[/e?d]# -                                         / 
 513     6030 1 1 l    11  ass^\emble# .                                      / 
 513     6040 2 2 l    21  ^I [@] - - !have a !{f\eeling} . :that *'my *-     / 
 513     6040 2 1 l    21  !arch-co'lleagues :don`t                           / 
 513     6050 1 1 s    20  *(woman clearing throat)*                          / 
 513     6040 1 1(l    11  _all see . :eye to :eye with 'each !\/other#       / 
 513     6060 1 2 l    11  [@:] - - - and one ^may 'not g/et unan!\imity out  / 
 513     6060 1 1 l    11  of#                                                / 
 513     6070 1 1 l    11  ^such dis!c\ussions# - -                           / 
 513     6080 1 2 l    11  [@?]^if they are in:tending to re:port . 'back to  / 
 513     6080 1 1 l    11  this !c\/ouncil# -                                 / 
 513     6090 1 1 l    11  and this "^c\ouncil#                               / 
 513     6100 1 3 l    12  ^is '[tu:] :take - [@] or to ^make                 / 
 513     6100 1 2 l    12  recommend:{\ations} on the !b\/asis of their       / 
 513     6100 1 1 l    12  re'port# -                                         / 
 513     6110 1 1 l    11  ^/I {for ^/one#}#                                  / 
 513     6120 1 1 l    11  would ^like this :C\/ouncil to be ad'vised#        / 
 513     6130 1 1 l    11  by ^people "![?]external to the :univ\ersity# - - -/ 
 513     6140 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     6150 1 1 b    11  I ^think we ((will)) . !n\/ote 'that#              / 
 513     6160 1 1 b    11  I ^{th/ink} at the m/oment#                        / 
 513     6170 1 1 b    11  I - - the ^Arts 'Faculty is :not the !\only 'one# ./ 
 513     6180 1 1 b    11  ^within 'which :people do not \/always a'gree# .   / 
 513     6190 1 1 b    11  ^that is !quite cl\ear#                            / 
 513     6200 1 1 l    11  ^S\ir# .                                           / 
 513     6210 1 2 l    11  ^many 'other 'subjects have :gone !{thr\ough} this / 
 513     6210 1 1 l    11  *:\/exercise#*                                     / 
 513     6220 1 1 b    11  *^y\es#*                                           / 
 513     6230 1 1(l    11  and [dhi:] ^this 'council and the :uni:v\ersity# - / 
 513     6240 1 1 l    11  ^was ad!v\ised#                                    / 
 513     6250 1 1 l    11  by "^external !\experts#                           / 
 513     6260 1 2 l    11  [@?] as ^well as by :\/internal . '[@:]            / 
 513     6260 1 1 l    11  part\icipants#                                     / 
 513     6270 1 1 ?    20  [m] - -                                            / 
 513     6280 1 1 s    20  (rumbling of mike)                                 / 
 513     6290 1 1 m    11  ^Ch\airman#                                        / 
 513     6300 1 1 m    11  it`s ^worth 'pointing /out#                        / 
 513     6310 1 1 m    11  that ^s\/ome 'arts 'subjects#                      / 
 513     6320 1 2 m    11  ^went !through . the pro_cedure be":fore . !w\ith  / 
 513     6320 1 1 m    11  ex'ternal 'experts# -                              / 
 513     6330 1 1 s    20  (papers - rumbling of mike - clearing of throat)   / 
 513     6340 1 1 b    11  ^yes _ind\eed# -                                   / 
 513     6350 1 1 b    11  and ^that`s 'why 'I - - !made it . cl\ear#         / 
 513     6360 1 1 b    11  or ^if 'I :d/idn`t# .                              / 
 513     6370 1 1 b    11  ^better 'say it a:g\ain#                           / 
 513     6380 1 1 b    11  that ^this is ":not an :\exercise#                 / 
 513     6390 1 1 b    11  that ^has 'actually been co"!!mm\/issioned# .      / 
 513     6400 1 1 b    11  ^b\y# .                                            / 
 513     6410 1 1 b    11  the ^J _P \C# .                                    / 
 513     6420 1 1 b    11  or the Coll^egiate C/ouncil#                       / 
 513     6430 1 1 b    11  ^[?]or by !th\is 'body# .                          / 
 513     6440 1 2 b    11  [@?m] - ^we . 'are [?]in!f\ormed that this         / 
 513     6440 1 1 b    11  :=exercise# -                                      / 
 513     6450 1 1 b    11  ^is o!cc\urring# -                                 / 
 513     6460 1 2 b    11  [@?] and ^it will - !make some :recommend:\ations# / 
 513     6460 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 513     6470 1 2 b    21  [@?m] - I ^don`t 'think - that there has :been any / 
 513     6470 1 1 b    21  re":{qu\ests} . from Pro'fessor :Bl\ackwell -      / 
 513     6480 1 1 b    11  Pro^fessor :L/inley# -                             / 
 513     6490 1 1 b    11  that . [?]it ^sh\ould /as 'it 'were#               / 
 513     6500 1 1 b    11  be^come an of!f\icial# -                           / 
 513     6510 1 1 b    11  in^vestig/ation#                                   / 
 513     6520 1 2 b    11  in the ^sense of of re!porting to a [p@_li?] .     / 
 513     6520 1 1 b    11  par^ticular - c\ouncil# *-*                        / 
 513     6530 1 1 s    20  *(rumbling of mike)*                               / 
 513     6540 1 2(b    11  [@:m] and I ^think it 'should be re:g\arded :[/aet]/ 
 513     6540 1 1(b    11  the 'moment#                                       / 
 513     6550 1 1 b    11  as a ^fact'finding :\/exercise#                    / 
 513     6560 1 1 b    11  [@:m] there ^have in:d\eed 'been# -                / 
 513     6570 1 1 b    11  ^\earlier# .                                       / 
 513     6580 1 1 b    11  "^subject review com:m\/ittees#                    / 
 513     6590 1 2 b    11  but I ^think that :they have !nearly :{\all} .     / 
 513     6590 1 1 b    11  'been . "!s\ubject re:v/iew com'mittees# -         / 
 513     6600 1 2 b    11  and ^this will !also :look at the                  / 
 513     6600 1 1 b    11  :interre!l\ationship . {^I i!m\/agine#}#           / 
 513     6610 1 1 b    11  be^tw\een#                                         / 
 513     6620 1 1 b    11  ^different !br\anches of the 'arts# -              / 
 513     6630 1 1 b    11  [@:m] ^so that :it is !rather :[br\/@:dh@]# -      / 
 513     6640 1 2 b    12  per^haps one :ought . might ^even :{s\ay} . :more  / 
 513     6640 1 1 b    12  dif!!f\use# -                                      / 
 513     6650 1 2 b    11  than ^some [?]of :these 'earlier                   / 
 513     6650 1 1 b    11  [?]in'vestig\ations#                               / 
 513     6660 1 1 b    11  *Pro^fessor ((Bl\ackwell))#*                       / 
 513     6670 1 1 s    20  *(rumbling of mike)*                               / 
 513     6680 1 1 g    11  (clearing of throat) we ^will be rep/\orting#      / 
 513     6690 1 1 g    11  to that ^c/ouncil#                                 / 
 513     6700 1 1 g    11  ^{thr\ough} - :T \A M# -                           / 
 513     6710 1 1 g    11  and [@:] ^through the Ex:\ecutive Com:m/ittee# -   / 
 513     6720 1 1 g    11  ^and dir:ectly to :J 'P /C# -                      / 
 513     6730 1 1 g    11  [@?] . ^and as re!qu\ested by :/J P 'C# .          / 
 513     6740 1 2 g    11  dir^{=ectly _to} !heads of !schools 'and :college -/ 
 513     6740 1 1 g    11  - [@:m] - Coll^egiate !C\ouncil# -                 / 
 513     6750 1 2 g    11  I ^have [@:] :{wr\itten 'to '[dhi:]} !President    / 
 513     6750 1 1 g    11  '[o6v] '[dhi:] [?o6v] !\U L U#                     / 
 513     6760 1 2 g    11  ^[tu:] - [@?] !say that :if there`s !any [@:]      / 
 513     6760 1 1 g    11  !st\/udent '[@?] - _[@:] 'comment# -               / 
 513     6770 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^that _[@?] would be h/elpful#                / 
 513     6780 1 1 g    11  I ^I would be :happy to rec/eive it#               / 
 513     6790 1 1 g    11  ^and /also#                                        / 
 513     6800 1 2 g    12  ^[tu:] the 'Chairman [@:] ^[tu] '[dhi:] [@?] -     / 
 513     6800 1 1 g    12  ^office of the :London 'A 'U !\/T#                 / 
 513     6810 1 2 g    11  in ^case there`s :any [@?] :reason for re:action   / 
 513     6810 1 1 g    11  from !th\ere# - -                                  / 
 513     6820 1 1 n    11  ^Ch\airman#                                        / 
 513     6830 1 1 b    11  ^yes ind\eed#                                      / 
 513     6840 1 1 n    11  ^may {\I} sup!p\ort . Pro'fessor R/othby#          / 
 513     6850 1 1 n    11  one would ^h\/ope actua'lly that# -                / 
 513     6860 1 1 n    11  I ^th/ink#                                         / 
 513     6870 1 1 n    11  ^probably - we`d be :living in !c\uckoo 'land#     / 
 513     6880 1 1 n    11  if we ^th/ought#                                   / 
 513     6890 1 2 n    11  that the re"^sults of these deliber'ations         / 
 513     6890 1 1 n    11  !w\ouldn`t# -                                      / 
 513     6900 1 1 n    11  ^bring out :differences of o:p\inion# -            / 
 513     6910 1 1 n    11  and ^theref/ore !\I 'would be to the 'one#         / 
 513     6920 1 1 n    11  who`d ^like to be a:ss=ured#                       / 
 513     6930 1 1 n    11  that ^{sh/ould} . _such things ar/ise#             / 
 513     6940 1 1 n    11  [th@?t@] one ^w\ouldn`t rule out# -                / 
 513     6950 1 1 n    11  that one ^brings in :\external 'people# -          / 
 513     6960 1 1 b    21  ^thank you Prof:e[?] - -                           / 
 513     6970 1 1 g    11  [@?] ^if you`d !read the re:p\ort#                 / 
 513     6980 1 1 g    11  you would ^s\/ee#                                  / 
 513     6990 1 1 g    11  that to^wards the :very :\/end it 'says# -         / 
 513     7000 1 1 g    11  [@?] the "^Dean`s Comm=ittee# -                    / 
 513     7010 1 1 g    11  ^will con"!s/ider {the re^p/orts#}#                / 
 513     7020 1 2 g    11  and may ^then _seek the :{v\iews} of ex:ternal     / 
 513     7020 1 1 g    11  as:s\essors# - - -                                 / 
 513     7030 1 1 p    11  [??] *^Ch\air'man#*                                / 
 513     7040 1 1 b    11  *((^proc\eed#))*                                   / 
 513     7050 1 1(p    11  can ^I just \ask . :{^thr\ough you#}#              / 
 513     7060 1 2 p    12  [@?] ^if [@] [dhi:] - ^those 'Senate               / 
 513     7060 1 1 p    12  ":[?]\institutes#                                  / 
 513     7070 1 1 p    11  ^which "_[?]are with!in the arts :=area# .         / 
 513     7080 1 1 p    11  are ^\also# -                                      / 
 513     7090 1 2 p    12  [@?] - ^in [dhi:] . :re[?] [?] [?] [@] are ^going  / 
 513     7090 1 1 p    12  to be con:s\/idered 'in this rev\iew#              / 
 513     7100 1 1 b    11  I ^have a!ss\/umed 'so# -                          / 
 513     7110 1 1 g    11  ^y\es#                                             / 
 513     7120 1 2 g    12  ^and [@:m] - ^I [??] have !asked that :[dhi:] [@??]/ 
 513     7120 1 1 g    12  di!r\ectors#                                       / 
 513     7130 1 1 g    11  of ^Senate 'institutes :be in!v\ited#              / 
 513     7140 1 2 g    12  ^as [@:] [?] - like ^{/\all 'other} !h\eads {of    / 
 513     7140 1 1 g    12  com^m\ittees#}#                                    / 
 513     7150 1 1 g    11  ^to [dhi:] [@?] _[?]:/institutes#                  / 
 513     7160 1 2 g    11  and ^we !one repre:s\entative of [dhi:] [@:] -     / 
 513     7160 1 1 g    11  Senate institutes . ^on the !Dean`s Com:m\ittee# . / 
 513     7170 1 1 g    11  the ^overall com_m\ittee# - - -                    / 
 513     7180 1 1 ?b   20  ((3 to 4 sylls))                                   / 
 513     7190 1 2 h    11  [@:m] - ^I`m rather :n\/ew to Academic Council     / 
 513     7190 1 1 h    11  ((and 'Service))#                                  / 
 513     7200 1 1 h    11  so I`d ^like some ad:vice . from the :Ch\airman# - / 
 513     7210 1 2 h    11  I was ^rather sur:prised to :h\ear Prof'essor      / 
 513     7210 1 1 h    11  _Blackwell#                                        / 
 513     7220 1 1 h    11  ^s\ay that in _[fa?k]# -                           / 
 513     7230 1 1 h    11  the re^view was oc!c\urring# .                     / 
 513     7240 1 1 h    11  [@:m] ^is it 'normal :pr\actice#                   / 
 513     7250 1 1 h    11  ^for [@m] :something to be in!iti\/ated#           / 
 513     7260 1 2 h    11  be^fore it`s :actually been ap_proved by _Academic / 
 513     7260 1 1 h    11  _Council and !S\enate# -                           / 
 513     7270 1 1 h    11  and ^if in :f\act#                                 / 
 513     7280 1 2 h    11  one ^wanted to make pro:posals a:bout the :terms of/ 
 513     7280 1 1 h    11  !r\/eference for ex'ample# -                       / 
 513     7290 1 1 h    11  ^\of the re'view# -                                / 
 513     7300 1 1 h    21  at ^what st=age .                                  / 
 513     7310 1 1 h    11  ^would 'that _be :m\ade# - - -                     / 
 513     7320 1 2 b    11  in ^my - - . [?]amateur in:terpre!t\ation . 'shall / 
 513     7320 1 1 b    11  we s/ay#                                           / 
 513     7330 1 1 b    11  [?]is ^[?]/is that# -                              / 
 513     7340 1 2 b    12  [@:m] - ^arts . the ^Arts F\aculty {in             / 
 513     7340 1 1 b    12  ^g\/eneral#}#                                      / 
 513     7350 1 2 b    11  ^is '[?]in . !somewhat "different po:sition :than  / 
 513     7350 1 1 b    11  for ex\ample# -                                    / 
 513     7360 1 1 b    11  ^[medis@n] - or :science or :engin!\/eering#       / 
 513     7370 1 2 b    11  where there "^are . academic ad:v\/isory 'boards# -/ 
 513     7370 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 513     7380 1 1 b    11  which ^do meet r\egularly#                         / 
 513     7390 1 1 b    11  and which . ^pull to:g\ether#                      / 
 513     7400 1 1 b    11  ^different _\aspects#                              / 
 513     7410 1 1 b    11  of ^work in the [s] [?]in :that !f\aculty# -       / 
 513     7420 1 1 b    11  [@?m] . and ^those b\oards#                        / 
 513     7430 1 2 b    11  ^are at :l/iberty [tu??] . ":pick \up [?]and !l\ook/ 
 513     7430 1 1 b    11  at#                                                / 
 513     7440 1 1 b    11  ^any s\ubject#                                     / 
 513     7450 1 1 b    11  or coll^ection of :{s\ubjects} :they !l\ike# -     / 
 513     7460 1 2 b    11  [@?] they . ^may {th\en} make some                 / 
 513     7460 1 1 b    11  :recommend!\/ations#                               / 
 513     7470 1 1 b    11  ^\either# - -                                      / 
 513     7480 1 2 b    11  if I may ^use the :word .                          / 
 513     7480 1 1 b    11  "!{d\ownwards} to boards of !st\/udies# -          / 
 513     7490 1 1 b    11  ^\or# -                                            / 
 513     7500 1 2 b    11  ^upwards '[tu:] :Academic :Council or wher!\ever# -/ 
 513     7500 1 1 b    11  .                                                  / 
 513     7510 1 2 b    11  they are ^not . {[\@?m]} . !g\iven . [@]           / 
 513     7510 1 1 b    11  ^tasks to :d\/o# - -                               / 
 513     7520 1 1 b    11  [@?m] . [?] . ^as a :general !r\ule# -             / 
 513     7530 1 2 b    11  they ^may be :given :indi:vidual !sp\/ecial 'tasks#/ 
 513     7530 1 1 b    11  .                                                  / 
 513     7540 1 1 b    11  by ^this body _or :\others# -                      / 
 513     7550 1 2 b    11  and so ^Arts has :been in . in '[ei] :rather       / 
 513     7550 1 1 b    11  :strange pos!\ition#                               / 
 513     7560 1 1 b    11  [i?] in a ^s\ense# -                               / 
 513     7570 1 1 b    11  ^th/is# -                                          / 
 513     7580 1 1 b    11  you could ^l\/ook 'on as# -                        / 
 513     7590 2 1 b    21  the ^setting _up - [?o6] [?]of - *[@?] [?]an* -    / 
 513     7600 1 1 s    20  *(someone else blowing nose)*                      / 
 513     7590 1 1(b    11  ^academic ad!v\/isory 'board#                      / 
 513     7610 1 2 b    11  [???] in - ^practice . but :not in :n\ame at the   / 
 513     7610 1 1 b    11  m/oment#                                           / 
 513     7620 1 1 b    11  ^f\or# .                                           / 
 513     7630 1 1 b    11  *per^haps a :=once off# -                          / 
 513     7640 1 1 ?    20  *((whispered sylls +whole load of rubbish+))*      / 
 513     7650 1 1(b    11  per^haps + . [??] . [@] + * :[ei] re:p=eated# .    / 
 513     7660 1 1 b    11  or con^tinuing !\exercise# -                       / 
 513     7670 1 1 b    11  so that in ^that s\ense# -                         / 
 513     7680 1 1 b    11  I think the "^Faculty of /Arts is en!t\itled# -    / 
 513     7690 1 1 b    11  to ^have a 'look at its/elf# -                     / 
 513     7700 1 1 b    11  if it ^w\ishes#                                    / 
 513     7710 1 1 b    11  [@:m] . if it ^w\ants# .                           / 
 513     7720 1 1 b    11  its con^{cl\usions} to be :taken !s\/eriously# -   / 
 513     7730 1 1 b    11  by ^=us# .                                         / 
 513     7740 1 2 b    11  [@?] and by ^/\other 'bodies {with^\/in the        / 
 513     7740 1 1 b    11  uni'versity#}# .                                   / 
 513     7750 1 1 b    11  ^th=en#                                            / 
 513     7760 1 2 b    11  it ^must be :seen to _have - _{c\overed} . :[?]all / 
 513     7760 1 1 b    11  the _necessary !gr\ound# -                         / 
 513     7770 1 1 b    11  and ^this 'picks \up I think#                      / 
 513     7780 1 1 b    11  Pro^fessor !Devon`s p=oint# -                      / 
 513     7790 1 2 b    12  that ^if '[sa7?] [dh@d] ^{\are} some - !tr\icky    / 
 513     7790 1 1 b    12  'matters# .                                        / 
 513     7800 1 1 b    11  a^r/ising# -                                       / 
 513     7810 1 2 b    11  ^matters of di!{v\ision} with:in the :Arts _Faculty/ 
 513     7810 1 1 b    11  !h\/ere# -                                         / 
 513     7820 1 1 b    11  ^then . it _would _be a :very good id/ea# -        / 
 513     7830 1 1 b    11  as Pro^fessor !R\othby 'said#                      / 
 513     7840 1 1 b    11  [tu:] - per^haps seek ad:vice . from :h/ere# .     / 
 513     7850 1 2 b    11  [@?] - - but ^then _to get an :outside p\/erson    / 
 513     7850 1 1 b    11  [?]or 'two# .                                      / 
 513     7860 1 1 b    11  to ^c\omment on the 'situation#                    / 
 513     7870 1 1 b    11  so that ^th/is# -                                  / 
 513     7880 1 1 b    11  I ^think is wh\y# .                                / 
 513     7890 1 2 b    11  [@?] . [dhi:] - re^{v\iew} has a:risen in _this -  / 
 513     7890 1 1 b    11  !!t\o 'us# .                                       / 
 513     7900 1 1 b    11  ^slightly un:usual w\ay# - -                       / 
 513     7910 1 1 h    11  could ^I \add to that :Ch/airman# .                / 
 513     7920 1 1 h    11  [@?] it`s ^just been !mentioned that there !w\ere# / 
 513     7930 1 2 h    12  [@] ^[sa7?] [k k] [@] com^mittees which "!looked   / 
 513     7930 1 1 h    12  'at 'arts :s\/ubjects in the uni'versity#          / 
 513     7940 1 1 h    11  in^d\eed there :{^w\/ere#}# -                      / 
 513     7950 1 1 h    11  and I ^{sp=oke} :\/afterwards#                     / 
 513     7960 1 1 h    11  to ^one [@] [?]ex:ternal :\expert#                 / 
 513     7970 1 1 h    11  who was con^{c\erned} with !l\anguages#            / 
 513     7980 1 1 h    11  and ^pointed \out#                                 / 
 513     7990 1 1 h    11  that ^his comm\ittee 'had _made#                   / 
 513     8000 1 2 h    11  ^two en:{t\irely} [?]incom:patible                 / 
 513     8000 1 1 h    11  !recommend!\ations# -                              / 
 513     8010 1 1 h    11  and ^he said :y/es# -                              / 
 513     8020 1 1 h    11  that`s ^y\our 'problem# -                          / 
 513     8030 1 1 h    11  I ^t\ook it#                                       / 
 513     8040 1 1 h    11  that ^what he was :pointing . !t=o# -              / 
 513     8050 1 2 h    11  was the ^need f\or the 'Arts _Faculty of :th/is    / 
 513     8050 1 1 h    11  uni'versity#                                       / 
 513     8060 1 2 h    11  to ^get to:g/ether [?]and 'sort \out such          / 
 513     8060 1 1 h    11  'problems#                                         / 
 513     8070 1 1 h    11  it`s ^taken us a !very :long :time to !d\/o it#    / 
 513     8080 1 2 h    11  but I ^hope that we can :right _now _make a !proper/ 
 513     8080 1 1 h    11  st\art# - -                                        / 
 513     8090 1 1 h    11  ((`^fessor !H\arrap#)) .                           / 
 513     8100 1 1 p    11  ^Chairman !th\ank 'you# -                          / 
 513     8110 1 1 p    11  [@:m] . I I ^see that in [@:] 'item !tw\o#         / 
 513     8120 1 1 p    11  of [dhi] ^r\/easons for the re'view# -             / 
 513     8130 1 1 p    11  there ^is a {m\ention} :of [@?] . !f\/unding# - -  / 
 513     8140 1 1 p    12  [@m] but ^no . I ^see _no \other [@] 'mention of#  / 
 513     8150 1 1 p    11  re^source implic:\ations#                          / 
 513     8160 1 1 p    11  in [dhi] - ^r\/est of the 'document# -             / 
 513     8170 1 1 p    11  ^is this \one of [dhi]# -                          / 
 513     8180 1 1 p    11  [@] ^areas _which is :going to be cons/idered#     / 
 513     8190 1 1 p    11  [@] . ^under [dhi:] - :h/eads#                     / 
 513     8200 1 1 p    11  [@] . ^listed under - :paragraph :tw/o#            / 
 513     8210 1 1 p    11  of the . ^[mei?] [??] :C tw/o# - -                 / 
 513     8220 1 1 b    11  I ^think \I will# .                                / 
 513     8230 1 2 b    11  ^have to re:{f\er you} to Pro:fessor !Bl\/ackwell ./ 
 513     8230 1 1 b    11  for that# .                                        / 
 513     8240 1 1 b    11  I ^th\ink# -                                       / 
 513     8250 1 2 b    11  if I ^might just [@] . :make a !c\/omment . 'that# / 
 513     8250 1 1 b    11  .                                                  / 
 513     8260 1 2 b    11  [@:m] - ^arts 'are in d\anger {in this             / 
 513     8260 1 1 b    11  uni^v\ersity#}#                                    / 
 513     8270 1 1 b    11  I`m ^s\ure# -                                      / 
 513     8280 1 1 b    11  ^as in every \other uni'versity# -                 / 
 513     8290 1 2 b    11  [@:m] . ((that)) it is ^much more "!{d\ifficult} to/ 
 513     8290 1 1 b    11  de:f\end the 'arts# - -                            / 
 513     8300 1 1 b    11  ^scientists and :\/others# -                       / 
 513     8310 1 2 b    11  have got ^out'side :people to !sp\eak 'for the[?] ./ 
 513     8310 1 1 b    11  u"^tility of :{wh\at they 'do} . 'or s\omething# . / 
 513     8320 1 2 b    11  in ^t\/erms which the Government _can .            / 
 513     8320 1 1 b    11  [?]under!st\and# -                                 / 
 513     8330 1 1 b    11  [@:m] - ^so - in !that s/ense# .                   / 
 513     8340 1 1 b    11  res^ources come :\/into it#                        / 
 513     8350 1 2 b    11  but I would ^like to :[?]ask . _pass your :question/ 
 513     8350 1 1 b    11  I think dir:ectly to Pro:fessor !Bl\/ackwell that# / 
 513     8360 1 1 b    11  ^[a6:?] - :is this re!v\/iew#                      / 
 513     8370 1 2 b    11  ^actually going to !look . '[?]at . '[dhi:]        / 
 513     8370 1 1 b    11  res:ource distrib\ution# - -                       / 
 513     8380 1 1 b    11  and re^source . re!qu\irements# .                  / 
 513     8390 1 1 b    11  with^in . '[dhi:] . :Arts F\aculty# -              / 
 513     8400 1 1 g    11  ^w\ell#                                            / 
 513     8410 1 1 g    11  we [d] . we ^don`t have any fi:n\ance#             / 
 513     8420 1 1 g    11  to dis^tr\ibute# .                                 / 
 513     8430 1 1 g    11  if ^that`s what you !m\/ean# -                     / 
 513     8440 1 2 g    11  [@?] ^we will !obviously be {l\/ooking . '[?]at}   / 
 513     8440 1 1 g    11  [@] !tr\ends# - -                                  / 
 513     8450 1 1 g    11  [@:] with^in the :last 'five !y\ears# .            / 
 513     8460 1 2 g    11  ^as '[dhi] [@] - [@:] :inform!ation re:qu=ired     / 
 513     8460 1 1 g    11  '[@:]#                                             / 
 513     8470 1 1 g    11  from de^partments sug!g\ests# -                    / 
 513     8480 1 1 g    11  and [@?] a de^cl=ine# -                            / 
 513     8490 1 1 g    11  [@:] ^in res!{s\ources} :will [?]in :f=act#        / 
 513     8500 1 1 g    11  [@:m] - [@:] app^\ear# -                           / 
 513     8510 1 2 g    11  [@:] from rep^lies to :some 'of '[dhi:] [@?] .     / 
 513     8510 1 1 g    11  !qu\/estions that [jwi:] !\ask#                    / 
 513     8520 1 1 g    11  for ex^\/ample#                                    / 
 513     8530 1 1 g    11  [?] . ^number of !!t\/eaching hours# -             / 
 513     8540 1 1 g    11  has ^gr\own within that five y/ears#               / 
 513     8550 1 2 g    11  that ^is [@:] :and [@:] . !number of 'staff [f]    / 
 513     8550 1 1 g    11  :f\/allen# -                                       / 
 513     8560 1 1 g    11  then ^that`s an indic:\/ation 'that#               / 
 513     8570 1 2 g    12  we ^need _more - [@:] per^haps more _people [?]in  / 
 513     8570 1 1 g    12  :that de!!p\artment# -                             / 
 513     8580 1 1 g    11  and *^this has :((gotta))* be !l\ooked at#         / 
 513     8590 1 1 p    11  *^if !I can just :\add#                            / 
 513     8600 1 2 p    12  ^I 'I[?]* - - I ^would pre:{s\ume} that [dhi:] .   / 
 513     8600 1 1 p    12  '[@:] - in:vestig:ation would !have !\access 'to#  / 
 513     8610 1 1 p    11  ^such 'data _[?]as for ex_=ample#                  / 
 513     8620 1 1 p    11  ^unit !c\osts#                                     / 
 513     8630 1 1 p    11  a^cr\oss the uni'versity#                          / 
 513     8640 1 1 p    11  and com^parators with :\other uni'versities# - -   / 
 513     8650 1 1 b    11  I I ^th/ink# - -                                   / 
 513     8660 1 1 b    11  ^if it were :n\/ecessary# .                        / 
 513     8670 1 1 b    11  ^that !s\/ort of infor'mation could be g/ained#    / 
 513     8680 1 1 b    11  *^Mr \Ewell#*                                      / 
 513     8690 1 1 r    11  *(inhalation)* ^y\es#                              / 
 513     8700 1 2 r    11  at [@] ^Academic [@?] . [@?] :Council Ex!\/ecutive / 
 513     8700 1 1 r    11  Comm'ittee 'Chairman# .                            / 
 513     8710 1 1 r    12  [@:m] ^[dhi:] the ^n\/ew 'Faculty of 'Arts#        / 
 513     8720 1 2 r    11  was "^asked to consider in!cl\/uding on the 'Dean`s/ 
 513     8720 1 1 r    11  Comm'ittee#                                        / 
 513     8730 1 1 r    11  a ^r/\ecognised t/eacher and a st\udent# -         / 
 513     8740 1 1 r    11  [@] ^preferably in the :Arts . _f\ield# -          / 
 513     8750 1 1 r    11  he a^ppears to have taken st/eps#                  / 
 513     8760 1 1 r    11  to con^sult the !st\/udent 'body# .                / 
 513     8770 1 2 r    11  repre^sentative members of the students` b/ody .   / 
 513     8770 1 1 r    11  but# -                                             / 
 513     8780 1 2 r    11  [@:] there ^{d/\oesn`t 'seem} to have been /\any   / 
 513     8780 1 1 r    11  [@:m] [?@:m] 'step#                                / 
 513     8790 1 1 r    11  ^t\/aken 'so 'far#                                 / 
 513     8800 1 1 r    11  to ^actually in'clude :recognised !t\eachers#      / 
 513     8810 1 2 r    11  in the ^actual - re!view pr/ocess the              / 
 513     8810 1 1 r    11  de!c\ision 'making 'process#                       / 
 513     8820 1 1 r    11  ^they`ll s\imply be# .                             / 
 513     8830 1 1 r    11  re^p\/orted 'to# -                                 / 
 513     8840 1 1 r    11  at their ^boards of !st\udies# -                   / 
 513     8850 1 1 r    11  [@?m] I ^{w\onder} :why he !h\asn`t 'actually#     / 
 513     8860 1 1 r    11  could he exp^l\ain why#                            / 
 513     8870 1 1 r    11  he ^hasn`t /actually taken \up 'that# -            / 
 513     8880 1 1 r    11  [@m] sugg^{/estion} so f/ar# - - -                 / 
 513     8890 1 1 g    11  there ^/\are#                                      / 
 513     8900 1 2 g    11  [@] ^recognised :teachers !on the :Dean`s          / 
 513     8900 1 1 g    11  Comm:\ittee# -                                     / 
 513     8910 1 2 g    11  ^not 'all :{D\/eans} 'are prof!essors 'or '[?]or   / 
 513     8910 1 1 g    11  !r=eaders# - .                                     / 
 513     8920 1 2 g    10  [@:] (clears throat twice) -                       / 
 513     8920 1 1 g    10  [?] ^/\every 'member of 'staff . _[@:m]# .         / 
 513     8930 1 1 g    11  ^{/every} 'member of the _Arts _F/aculty# - -      / 
 513     8940 1 1 g    11  ^{c/an} - 'make sugg/estions#                      / 
 513     8950 1 1 g    11  as I`ve ^s/aid#                                    / 
 513     8960 1 2 g    11  "^[?]either through the :Departm/ental Comm'ittee# / 
 513     8960 1 1 g    11  - .                                                / 
 513     8970 1 1 g    11  "^through the 'Arts F/aculty#                      / 
 513     8980 1 1 g    11  of . ^[?]of 'his sch/ool# -                        / 
 513     8990 1 1 g    11  or her ^sch/ool# -                                 / 
 513     9000 1 1 g    11  "^through the 'Board of :St\/udies# -              / 
 513     9010 1 1 g    11  ^or !indiv\idually# -                              / 
 513     9020 1 1 g    11  ^or in !gr\oups# .                                 / 
 513     9030 1 1 g    11  if they ^l/ike#                                    / 
 513     9040 1 1 g    11  dir^ect to the !Dean`s Comm\ittee# - - -           / 
 513     9050 1 1 b    11  ^Dr !\Anderson#                                    / 
 513     9060 1 1 e    11  yes a^g\ain# .                                     / 
 513     9070 1 1 e    11  _[@?] - _[@?m] . it ^is a !recognised _f\act#      / 
 513     9080 1 1 e    11  [@:] - ^that in :f=act#                            / 
 513     9090 1 1 e    11  [@:] - ^students !\/and recognised 'teacher#       / 
 513     9100 1 2 e    11  are ^actually - dir!\/ectly repre'sentatives 'on# -/ 
 513     9100 1 1 e    11  .                                                  / 
 513     9110 1 1 e    11  [dhi:] ^b=oards# .                                 / 
 513     9120 1 1 e    11  [dhi?] on this ^this b=oard# -                     / 
 513     9130 1 1 e    11  and ^on the :S\enate# -                            / 
 513     9140 1 1 e    12  and ^this is [bi:k@?] for a ^very good !r\/eason# -/ 
 513     9150 1 2 e    11  that "^{\indirect _represent_ation} 'is not :always/ 
 513     9150 1 1 e    11  very e"!ff\ective 'represent_ation#                / 
 513     9160 1 2 e    11  and a ^very 'modest pro:posal was !p\/ut to the    / 
 513     9160 1 1 e    11  'Academic 'Council Ex'ecutive Comm'ittee#          / 
 513     9170 1 2 e    11  and ^passed :\/on to the 'Dean in the 'Faculty of  / 
 513     9170 1 1 e    11  'Arts#                                             / 
 513     9180 1 1 e    11  which - ^s\aid tha[?]t# .                          / 
 513     9190 1 1 e    11  ((a))^mong 'all 'your :D\/eans# -                  / 
 513     9200 1 1 e    11  "^{m\ost} of who will be :senior m\embers# .       / 
 513     9210 1 1 e    11  of [dh@?] . ^univ/ersity#                          / 
 513     9220 1 1 e    11  ^or !even :if they !are recognised t=eachers# -    / 
 513     9230 1 1 e    11  will ^have a :Dean`s :r\ole# -                     / 
 513     9240 1 1 e    11  there ^should be a st/udent# -                     / 
 513     9250 1 1 e    11  ^putting a !st=udent _point of _view# -            / 
 513     9260 1 2 e    11  a ^r=ecognised _teacher . 'putting a !r\ecognised  / 
 513     9260 1 1 e    11  _teacher . _point of _view#                        / 
 513     9270 1 2 e    13  ^\I think ^find that`s a - ^((you know)) that`s a  / 
 513     9270 1 1 e    13  :very !m\/odest pro'posal#                         / 
 513     9280 1 2 e    11  and I ^think it would !help 'to :quell 'some of    / 
 513     9280 1 1 e    11  [dhi:] - the !w\orries#                            / 
 513     9290 1 1 e    11  that ^people like Pro:fessor !F\airman - f/eel#    / 
 513     9300 1 2 e    11  ^that _there should :be 'some . [@] !f\/ocus for   / 
 513     9300 1 1 e    11  'recognised 'teachers and {^student f/ocus#}# -    / 
 513     9310 1 2 e    11  where ^people . who 'feel !{h\appier to [b]} :focus/ 
 513     9310 1 1 e    11  through :th\/ose 'ones#                            / 
 513     9320 1 3 e    11  and ^knowing that their[?] . :their 'views can     / 
 513     9320 1 2 e    11  !actually . :put dir!\ectly to the 'Dean`s         / 
 513     9320 1 1 e    11  Comm'ittee#                                        / 
 513     9330 1 1 e    11  ^no[?] - 'via . a:nother  comm=ittee#              / 
 513     9340 1 2 e    11  [n7wi?] and you ^never {h\ear} :what the :\outcome / 
 513     9340 1 1 e    11  'is# -                                             / 
 513     9350 1 1 e    11  and it was ^you kn/ow#                             / 
 513     9360 1 1 e    11  "^l\istened 'to#                                   / 
 513     9370 1 1 e    11  "^very c\arefully#                                 / 
 513     9380 1 1 e    11  but [@:] - in the ^/end#                           / 
 513     9390 1 1 e    12  ^[n@?] . ^no !notice was !t\aken#                  / 
 513     9400 1 1 e    11  but - like "^{/I`ve} always f/ound#                / 
 513     9410 1 1 e    11  ^having !st\/udents 'there#                        / 
 513     9420 1 2 e    11  ^actually - ":stops 'people 'saying a !lot of      / 
 513     9420 1 1 e    11  :stupid :th\ings about#                            / 
 513     9430 1 1 e    12  ^what [stj/u:p@n?] . ^st\/udents 'think#           / 
 513     9440 1 1 e    12  and ^[dh@@?] . ^may 'I :say :\/also# -             / 
 513     9450 1 2 e    11  ^having _recognised !teachers :sometimes 'brings a / 
 513     9450 1 1 e    11  "!deal of :common :sense into de:liber\ations#     / 
 513     9460 1 1 e    11  and I ^h\ope the 'Dean of the _Faculty of /Arts#   / 
 513     9470 1 1 e    11  ((he)) ^{h\asn`t} :s\aid 'no - y/et# .             / 
 513     9480 1 1 e    11  ((i)) just ^hasn`t _said :y\es#                    / 
 513     9490 1 1 e    11  that [?]^he will !n\ow#                            / 
 513     9500 1 1 e    11  *get ^up and 'say* !y\es# - -                      / 
 513     9510 1 1 s    20  *(wheeze of laughter from the audience)*           / 
 513     9520 1 2 b    11  could we ^\ask you Pro{^fessor Bl\ackwell '[tu?]#}#/ 
 513     9520 1 1 b    11  -                                                  / 
 513     9530 1 1 b    11  *+^t\/ake that* on 'board#+                        / 
 513     9540 1 1 e    11  *+^say y\es#* - -+                                 / 
 513     9550 1 1 s    20  +(snorting laughter)+                              / 
 513     9560 1 1(b    12  ^on 'to '[dhi:] - - . "^\/one 'of the groups#      / 
 513     9570 1 1 b    11  which . [da7?z] . con^s\iders# - -                 / 
 513     9580 1 1 b    11  [@??] [dhi:] [?] ^inform/ation# .                  / 
 513     9590 1 1 b    11  ^\I mean#                                          / 
 513     9600 1 2 b    12  ^there are there are ^obviously !plenty of . [@?]  / 
 513     9600 1 1 b    12  :possibilities :here _for - indi!v\iduals#         / 
 513     9610 1 1 b    11  to ^{f\eed} . their 'views :\in# .                 / 
 513     9620 1 1 b    11  [@:] but [@?] [?:] it ^might 'be - p/olitic# -     / 
 513     9630 1 1 b    11  [?]if ^I may :=use that _word#                     / 
 513     9640 1 2 b    11  '[tu:] con^sider :having :somebody . :there . on   / 
 513     9640 1 1 b    11  [dhi] . :[dhi:] [?] [?] - !st\udy 'body# .         / 
 513     9650 1 1 ?    20  ((quite)) - -                                      / 
 513     9660 1 1 g    11  I will ^take that :into [@] acc!\/ount#            / 
 513     9670 1 3 g    12  [?m] per^haps _[no7:m?] - Pro^fessor :Linley .     / 
 513     9670 1 2 g    12  _will [@?] - - will :have something to !s\/ay      / 
 513     9670 1 1 g    12  'here# -                                           / 
 513     9680 1 2 g    11  I`m a ^bit re'luctant . a'bout :student            / 
 513     9680 1 1 g    11  'represent!\ation#                                 / 
 513     9690 1 1 g    11  dir^ectly on the :D\/ean`s Comm'ittee# -           / 
 513     9700 1 1 g    11  be^cause [@] . !personn!\el 'matters#              / 
 513     9710 1 1 g    11  that [?]I`m ^!{s\ure} will be :m\/entioned there#  / 
 513     9720 1 1 g    11  and I ^{d\on`t} think it`s app:r\opriate# .        / 
 513     9730 1 2 g    11  ^just as !!\/our comm'ittee has res'erved          / 
 513     9730 1 1 g    11  'business# -                                       / 
 513     9740 1 2 g    11  [@:] I ^{d\on`t} think it`s appr:opriate '{f=or} . / 
 513     9740 1 1 g    11  :students to be [p@pr@:] !pr\esent#                / 
 513     9750 1 1 g    11  ^for (([dh@] *![?]answer to your :qu\estion))# - - / 
 513     9760 1 1 g    20  [@:] . it is also*                                 / 
 513     9770 1 1 e    11  *[k] ^can !I s\/ay that Prof'essor 'Blackwell#     / 
 513     9780 1 1 e    11  that ^`s\uredly#                                   / 
 513     9790 1 3 e    11  ^n/o*                                              / 
 513     9790 1 2 e    11  ^no 'mention of :[p@6:s@n@?] . '[p@?] . :p=eople   / 
 513     9790 1 1 e    11  _by _name#                                         / 
 513     9800 1 1 e    11  would be ^made at !\any comm'ittee# -              / 
 513     9810 1 2 e    11  [?] . [?]at the ^Academics` [ks] _Council E!x\ec {I/ 
 513     9810 1 1 e    11  ^m\ean#}#                                          / 
 513     9820 1 1 e    11  he`s ^\only# -                                     / 
 513     9830 1 1 e    11  ^rein:forcing the !f\/ears 'now#                   / 
 513     9840 1 1 e    11  that ^actual :people`s :n\ames `n# -               / 
 513     9850 1 1 e    11  ^th/ings are gonna be !m\entioned#                 / 
 513     9860 1 1 e    11  which is - ^what !w\orries every'body# -           / 
 513     9870 1 1 e    12  [w@o7:?^o7:?] ^all the 'more . :r=eason#           / 
 513     9880 1 2 e    11  why we ^should _`ave st\udents and :{^recognised   / 
 513     9880 1 1 e    11  :teachers !th\ere#}# - - -                         / 
 513     9890 1 1 s    20  (mumbling)                                         / 
 513     9900 1 1 b    21  [@] well I ^think this                             / 
 513     9910 1 1 d    11  [@] [b? . di? ? tsh] ^Ch\airman#                   / 
 513     9920 1 1 d    11  [dzh?] ^could !\I# .                               / 
 513     9930 1 2 d    11  ^just make a :point a!b\out . [@:] - - [@:] . this / 
 513     9930 1 1 d    11  s/ubject# - -                                      / 
 513     9940 1 1 d    11  to su^pp\/ose#                                     / 
 513     9950 1 1 d    11  that the ^pr/esence#                               / 
 513     9960 1 1 d    11  on the ^{D\ean`s} Comm:\/ittee#                    / 
 513     9970 1 1 d    11  of ^one recognised :t\/eacher# -                   / 
 513     9980 1 1 d    11  would ^be an !/\adequate#                          / 
 513     9990 1 1 d    11  ^way of !s\/afeguarding# -                         / 
 513    10000 1 2 d    11  the the ^{\interests} of :\/all 'recognised        / 
 513    10000 1 1 d    11  'teachers# .                                       / 
 513    10010 1 1 d    11  is the ^politics of the abs\urd# - -               / 
 513    10020 1 1 d    11  we have al^ready been t\old# -                     / 
 513    10030 1 1 d    11  ^th\at#                                            / 
 513    10040 1 2 d    11  what^[?]ever 'findings or 'recommend'ations are    / 
 513    10040 1 1 d    11  'made by 'this :Dean`s Comm/ittee# -               / 
 513    10050 1 1 d    11  ^will _be rep/orted# -                             / 
 513    10060 1 1 d    11  to the Coll^/egiate 'Council# -                    / 
 513    10070 1 1 d    11  the ^Acad/emic 'Council# -                         / 
 513    10080 1 1 d    11  ^boards of st/udies# -                             / 
 513    10090 1 1 d    11  ^schools of the 'univ/ersity# .                    / 
 513    10100 1 1 d    11  and ^ultimately the !S\enate# -                    / 
 513    10110 1 1 d    11  on ^{th/is} [?]Acad'emic C/ouncil# -               / 
 513    10120 1 1 d    11  there are ^r/\ecognised t/eachers# .               / 
 513    10130 1 1 d    11  ^/and !st\udents# -                                / 
 513    10140 1 1 d    11  ^[?]at the S/enate# .                              / 
 513    10150 1 1 d    11  there are ^r/\ecognised t/eachers and !st\udents#  / 
 513    10160 1 2 d    12  we are ^talking here [?]a^bout [?ei] committee of  / 
 513    10160 1 1 d    12  !!D\eans# -                                        / 
 513    10170 1 1 d    11  ^if !y\ou 'Sir#                                    / 
 513    10180 1 1 d    11  ^as !Chairman of this 'Academic :C\/ouncil#        / 
 513    10190 1 1 d    11  ^w/ere# .                                          / 
 513    10200 1 1 d    11  as I`m ^sure you d\o#                              / 
 513    10210 1 1 d    11  from ^time to :t\ime# -                            / 
 513    10220 1 1 d    12  to ^call . ^call to:g\ether# .                     / 
 513    10230 1 1 d    11  [?eim]  [?ei] [ei] ^m\/eeting# -                   / 
 513    10240 1 1 d    11  of [dhi:] [tsh] ^ch\/airmen#                       / 
 513    10250 1 2 d    11  of the ^four 'Academic :Council !{st\anding}       / 
 513    10250 1 1 d    11  :s\/ubcommittees#                                  / 
 513    10260 1 1 d    11  to con^{s/ider} a m\/atter# -                      / 
 513    10270 1 1 d    11  we ^would !not sup:p\/ose#                         / 
 513    10280 1 1 d    11  that ^/\every 'time 'you :d\/id so# .              / 
 513    10290 1 2 d    11  there would ^have to 'be '[?ei] ":r\ecognised      / 
 513    10290 1 1 d    11  'teacher pr/esent# -                               / 
 513    10300 1 1 d    11  and a ^st\udent 'present# - - -                    / 
 513    10310 1 1 b    20  ((Baker))                                          / 
 513    10320 1 1 t    11  ^thank 'you Ch/airman# -                           / 
 513    10330 1 2 t    11  [@:m] . ^my 'point 'was - a :rather !d\/ifferent   / 
 513    10330 1 1 t    11  'one# .                                            / 
 513    10340 1 1 t    11  I ^see under :three _\a#                           / 
 513    10350 1 1 t    11  that ^one of the - !r\easons is _[tu:]# .          / 
 513    10360 1 2 t    11  ^try '[tu] :strengthen :intercoll'egiate           / 
 513    10360 1 1 t    11  :t\/eaching and 'so on#                            / 
 513    10370 1 1 t    11  and I ^w\ondered 'whether# .                       / 
 513    10380 1 3 t    11  ^this _group would :also . !look at [dhi:]         / 
 513    10380 1 2 t    11  "![?]implications for !!f\inance {be^tween         / 
 513    10380 1 1 t    11  c\olleges#}#                                       / 
 513    10390 1 1 t    11  because - ^intercoll:egiate !t\/eaching#           / 
 513    10400 1 1 t    11  is ^something which - :many 'people !f\/eel# .     / 
 513    10410 1 1 t    11  ^some 'colleges are [?a7] :net !\/exporters#       / 
 513    10420 1 1 t    11  and ^some _net !\/importers#                       / 
 513    10430 1 2 t    11  and there`s ^no "!{m\oney} trans'ferred as a       / 
 513    10430 1 1 t    11  res\ult#                                           / 
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