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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>0:25</&>
  

  <WSC#DGB005:0005:Z1>
      yes good morning <.>sha</.> er sharon <{><[><,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0010:Z1>
      um</[> i was very pleased to hear that you've been trying to get
      <,> er hold of that firm that said that the benefits are still
      too high

  <WSC#DGB005:0015:HS>
      <[>hello</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0020:HS>
      oh the gareth morgan

  <WSC#DGB005:0025:Z1>
      <laughs>yeah</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0030:HS>
      right

  <WSC#DGB005:0035:Z1>
      well yes it's the other firm

  <WSC#DGB005:0040:Z1>
      i tried actually to look them up but they're not in wellington
      are they

  <WSC#DGB005:0045:Z1>
      they're in auckland i think

  <WSC#DGB005:0050:HS>
      yes that's right

  <WSC#DGB005:0055:Z1>
      yes <,> um i would say that these people are up in their ivory
      TOWERS

  <WSC#DGB005:0060:HS>
      yes <.>i</.> i'm astonished and would very much have liked to
      ask him to question him more closely but what we ARE going to do
      <,> he HAS spoken to one of our journalists and we're going to
      <&>1:00</&> <.>repla</.> replay that for you in its entirety so
      that you can hear what he said but it does leave a lot of things
      unanswered <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0065:HS>
      <{><[><.>i</.></[> agree it seems <,> madness for example <,>
      <drawls>which</drawls> benefits are <,> providing more money
      than is needed

  <WSC#DGB005:0070:Z1>
      <[><.>i</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0075:Z1>
      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0080:HS>
      you know which areas can be cut <,> and <,> WHO would qualify
      for the lower benefits

  <WSC#DGB005:0085:HS>
      <?><.>its</.> <.>from</.> <.>from</.></?> from his reckoning it
      would seem only the TRULY desperate right?

  <WSC#DGB005:0090:Z1>
      yes this is right

  <WSC#DGB005:0095:Z1>
      now <O>inhales</O> i <.>h</.> know of a person who's got TWO
      TEENAGERS plus herself and she is actually living on sixty
      dollars a week for food and <,> um other things <{><[><?>yeah
      <.>how</.></?></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0100:HS>
      <[>how much</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0105:Z1>
      SIXTY DOLLARS

  <WSC#DGB005:0110:HS>
      <softly>oh dear</softly> <,> with two teenagers <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0115:Z1>
      with two teenagers

  <WSC#DGB005:0120:HS>
      <softly>gosh</softly> <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0125:HS>
      <.>how</.> what are her circumstances

  <WSC#DGB005:0130:Z1>
      well she's a <.>d</.> on the d p b <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0135:HS>
      right

  <WSC#DGB005:0140:Z1>
      <drawls>but</drawls> <,> i mean <O>laughs</O> i am actually
      trying to help her out but i'm on the national super too so i
      can't help her out very much

  <WSC#DGB005:0145:HS>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB005:0150:Z1>
      now <.>the</.> these persons i would like to <.>a</.> you to ask
      <&>2:00</&> them if you <.>can</.> if you EVER get on to them
      <,> <{><[>um</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0155:HS>
      <[>flush</[></{> them out you mean

  <WSC#DGB005:0160:Z1>
      <laughs>yes</laughs> <,> is for them to do a budget <.>fo</.>
      <.>for</.> <.>a</.> um <O>voc</O> ONE person one adult and two
      teenagers

  <WSC#DGB005:0165:HS>
      but that's not his argument you see

  <WSC#DGB005:0170:HS>
      this is the scary thing <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0175:HS>
      his argument is that the welfare state or benefits or whatever
      <{1><[1>are</[1> NOT there <,> NOT THERE to offer you a normal
      life

  <WSC#DGB005:0180:HS>
      <{2><[2><.>they're</.></[2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0185:Z1>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0190:Z1>
      <[2>well</[2></{2> what does he call normal

  <WSC#DGB005:0195:HS>
      well <,> a normal life where you would have all those things CAR
      perhaps telephone <,> um <,> big supermarket bill <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0200:HS>
      <.>he</.> he's saying that they should ONLY be there <,> for
      people who face <,,> you know complete um poverty or <,> the
      gutter or something

  <WSC#DGB005:0205:HS>
      i would love to ask him <,> but his partner says that he's got
      clients and that he doesn't talk to the media he talks <{><[>to
      the</[> clients

  <WSC#DGB005:0210:Z1>
      <[><.>w</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0215:Z1>
      <O>voc</O> yes well i would say that the clients are wanting him
      to say this <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0220:HS>
      you mean a hint of the business round table <&>3:00</&> here
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0225:Z1>
      YES

  <WSC#DGB005:0230:HS>
      <laughs>yes you're <{><[>probably right</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0235:Z1>
      <[>i would really</[></{> say so sharon <,> i mean you have gone
      <.>int</.> into it <.>i</.> into it very thoroughly haven't you
      <,> in the benefit cuts

  <WSC#DGB005:0240:HS>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB005:0245:Z1>
      <.>a</.> and that <,> and <.>i</.> i mean and also um <,> oh <O>exhales</O>
      i can't think of her name you know the one that did the <.>j</.>
      the <.>did</.> the <.>b</.> the menu for you <{><[><?>the bit</?></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0250:HS>
      <[>oh alison holst's</[></{> menu

  <WSC#DGB005:0255:Z1>
      yes <O>voc</O> that's right <laughs><?><.>cour</.></?></laughs>
      my <,> mind went blank <,> um <O>coughs</O> and i mean you know
      THEY have gone into it and THEY say that it's going to be hard
      <,> and i mean if <.>he's</.> he's making these people DESPERATE
      <,> and why should they not <.>have</.> <,> why shouldn't the
      children be able to have a lolly <,,> or um <.>they</.> maybe go
      out for <.>a</.> an outing <,,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0260:Z1>
      <{><[>why</[> shouldn't they

  <WSC#DGB005:0265:HS>
      <[><.>we</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0270:HS>
      well you see the thing the question that that gareth morgan
      would ask you i'm sure is <,> why should the tax payer
      contribute to the quality of life <,> <{><[>of others</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0275:Z1>
      <[><O>voc</O></[></{> uh well i <{><[>think</[> <&>4:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB005:0280:HS>
      <[>unless</[></{> they are absolutely desperate

  <WSC#DGB005:0285:Z1>
      well this is not bringing children UP is it

  <WSC#DGB005:0290:HS>
      no <{><[>and it's not</[> <.>the</.> christian thing about <,>
      my brother's keeper <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0295:HS>
      it's not <,> <quotes song>he ain't <laughs>heavy he's my brother</laughs></quotes song>

  <WSC#DGB005:0300:HS>
      it's none of those things <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0305:Z1>
      <[>IT IS NOT</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0310:Z1>
      no <{><[>no</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0315:HS>
      <[>because</[></{> he says the country can't afford it

  <WSC#DGB005:0320:Z1>
      oh <.>b</.> you <.>know</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0325:HS>
      i think what's being forced on us as ordinary new zealanders <{><[>is</[>
      to ask ourselves what sort of society we want <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0330:Z1>
      <[><O>voc</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0335:Z1>
      yes well <.>i'm</.> i just feel that he is actually doing it
      just for <.>his</.> for his uh client <{><[>or</[> clients
      whichever they are

  <WSC#DGB005:0340:HS>
      <[>well</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0345:HS>
      well we're certainly not resting on this one

  <WSC#DGB005:0350:HS>
      leave it with us <{1><[1>and</[1> we'll talk through the morning
      about it

  <WSC#DGB005:0355:HS>
      <{2><[2>we'll</[2> at least get some other opinions <.>from</.>
      from people about just what could be cut but i'm glad you <.>sss</.>
      <{3><[3>share a sense of outrage</[3>

  <WSC#DGB005:0360:Z1>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0365:Z1>
      <[2>yes</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0370:Z1>
      <[3>yes <,> i've actually spoken to you</[3></{3> <.>ab</.> <,>
      before about um benefit cuts and things sharon

  <WSC#DGB005:0375:Z1>
      i'm very <.>k</.> very UP on this you know i mean i'm well into
      it you know <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0380:HS>
      <softly>yes</softly> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0385:Z1>
      and i am just ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED

  <WSC#DGB005:0390:HS>
      fair enough

  <WSC#DGB005:0395:HS>
      we'll see what we <{1><[1>can</[1> find out

  <WSC#DGB005:0400:HS>
      <{2><[2>okay sonya <,> bye bye</[2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0405:Z1>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0410:Z1>
      <[2>right thank you very much <,> bye</[2></{2> <&>5:00</&> <&>bits
      of adverts follow</&> <&>5:06</&>

  <WSC#DGB005:0415:HS>
      z b good morning to julie

  <WSC#DGB005:0420:Z2>
      oh hi i've just about forgotten what i was going to talk about
      <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB005:0425:HS>
      <.>oh</.> sorry about that

  <WSC#DGB005:0430:Z2>
      <O>laughs</O> that's all right i got wrapped in all your
      starting speech about what the husbands do you know the towel
      rolled up and all that sort of thing

  <WSC#DGB005:0435:HS>
      what does yours do

  <WSC#DGB005:0440:Z2>
      um <,> read in the loo

  <WSC#DGB005:0445:HS>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0450:Z2>
      <drawls>um</drawls> <,> <{><[><?>reads all</?></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0455:HS>
      <[>for hours and hours</[></{> ?

  <WSC#DGB005:0460:Z2>
      yes for hours and hours and all the kids and you are dying to
      get in but you can't yeah

  <WSC#DGB005:0465:HS>
      have you thought of putting a hose through the window <,> behind
      him

  <WSC#DGB005:0470:Z2>
      yeah but then i'd have to clean it up <,> <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB005:0475:HS>
      well if the pressure was high enough there wouldn't be much to
      clean up

  <WSC#DGB005:0480:HS>
      i imagine the short sharp shock to the back of the neck and he'd
      move like greased lightning <,> as long as you have one of the
      children policing the tap <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0485:HS>
      anyway it's just a practical suggestion julie

  <WSC#DGB005:0490:HS>
      what else does he do

  <WSC#DGB005:0495:Z2>
      <O>voc</O> what else does he do

  <WSC#DGB005:0500:Z2>
      i wasn't actually ringing up about this but anyway um <,> um
      leaves the shaving um stuff on the bench <,> in the bathroom <,>
      which is a bit dangerous with <&>6:00</&> two young children

  <WSC#DGB005:0505:HS>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB005:0510:Z2>
      um

  <WSC#DGB005:0515:HS>
      does he leave the whiskers in the basin

  <WSC#DGB005:0520:Z2>
      oh yes oh yes that goes with it <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0525:Z2>
      um hair you know <,> with a beard and dark hair so the the the
      black hair that gets in the bath because the towel gets hung
      over the <laughs>bath</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0530:HS>
      <O>laughs</O> <,,> to be fair <,> what do you do that annoys him

  <WSC#DGB005:0535:Z2>
      oh nothing i'm perfect <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB005:0540:HS>
      that's what i want to hear

  <WSC#DGB005:0545:HS>
      there's not many of us left <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0550:HS>
      all right now julie that's not why you rang <{><[>but we</[>
      will contemplate the reading in the lavatory <,> the rest of the
      morning <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0555:HS>
      go on

  <WSC#DGB005:0560:Z2>
      <[>no no</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0565:Z2>
      right <,> anyway um <.>i</.> have you tried to get a <laughs>tax</laughs>
      pack from the inland revenue

  <WSC#DGB005:0570:HS>
      <laughs>no</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0575:Z2>
      <O>laughs</O> well <.>this</.> <O>laughs</O> it's fun <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0580:Z2>
      er my husband went in a few weeks ago in the hutt one and um
      said he wanted an i r three for me <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0585:HS>
      to read in the lav <laughs><?><.>b</.></?> <unclear>word</unclear></laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0590:Z2>
      <O>laughs</O> and <,> so they send out i r FIVES and er the air
      was a bit blue when that er got opened up <,> and so we rang
      this morning <,> and first of all you get this <&>7:00</&> funny
      females on <.>a</.> some answer phone thing saying that if you
      <,> um if you want this <,> extension or something or other
      press this number and press that number and we didn't know what
      she was talking about

  <WSC#DGB005:0595:HS>
      <{><[><?>oh well</?></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0600:Z2>
      <[>and when we</[></{> finally got through to somebody else

  <WSC#DGB005:0605:Z2>
      ah have you got a touch phone

  <WSC#DGB005:0610:Z2>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB005:0615:Z2>
      er well then press so and so so

  <WSC#DGB005:0620:Z2>
      we pressed so and so and then you get back to another answer
      phone and <,> and then they say well <,> um give your message
      and <,> we'll get back to you in forty eight hours or something
      or other

  <WSC#DGB005:0625:Z2>
      well then they say thank you very much and hung the phone up

  <WSC#DGB005:0630:HS>
      er <{><[>LOOK</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0635:Z2>
      <[>and</[></{> we tried twice <laughs>each</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0640:HS>
      oh LOOK <,> LOOK <.>wh</.> pam has just said <.>sh</.> we'll
      ring their problem resolution officer our FRIEND on this
      programme

  <WSC#DGB005:0645:HS>
      he's our FRIEND

  <WSC#DGB005:0650:HS>
      we ring him quite often

  <WSC#DGB005:0655:HS>
      you want to know why they made a mistake and what's this forty
      eight hour wait for a return call etcetera etcetera <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0660:Z2>
      no well it's <.>a</.> actually going to get it back to you in
      forty eight hours and i was going to say RIGHT now it is the
      seventh of may and it is such and such time and i was going to
      expect it back in forty eight hours but i never got the chance
      to TELL them because it said thank you <laughs>and cut me off</laughs>
      <,> and they did it four times <&>8:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB005:0665:HS>
      oh this is BARMY <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0670:HS>
      i wonder if we could ring them on the air and see what <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0675:HS>
      i have to ask about the technicalities of that but we could have
      a bit of fun

  <WSC#DGB005:0680:Z2>
      cos apparently if you have a touch phone you can push all these
      numbers to get different places you see

  <WSC#DGB005:0685:HS>
      i see different departments in the inland revenue

  <WSC#DGB005:0690:Z2>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB005:0695:HS>
      is this a touch phone tony

  <WSC#DGB005:0700:HS>
      <.>ye</.> yes it is a touch phone

  <WSC#DGB005:0705:HS>
      we'll have a bit of a go later

  <WSC#DGB005:0710:HS>
      i'll work it out during the ten oclock news

  <WSC#DGB005:0715:HS>
      <{><[>otherwise we'll</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0720:Z2>
      <[>great meantime</[></{> i'll try and see if i can get back
      <laughs>to them</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0725:HS>
      and we'll fall back on the problem resolution officer and ask
      him why there is this high tech lunacy which will only INFLAME
      the tax payers even more

  <WSC#DGB005:0730:Z2>
      they want us to pay the damn stuff they should get <laughs>it to
      us</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0735:HS>
      but they know that <,> they're in a win win situation <{1><[1>because
      if</[1> you don't ha ha ha

  <WSC#DGB005:0740:HS>
      all right we'll see what we can find out

  <WSC#DGB005:0745:HS>
      <{2><[2>this is VERY funny</[2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0750:HS>
      talk about simplified tax <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0755:HS>
      bye

  <WSC#DGB005:0760:Z2>
      <[1>yes yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0765:Z2>
      <[2>thanks very much right bye</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0770:Z2>
      <O>laughs</O> bye <&>8:48</&> <&>advert follows</&> <&>9:38</&>

  <WSC#DGB005:0775:HS>
      it's twenty eight to ten <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0780:HS>
      vi hello <,,> vi good morning? <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0785:HS>
      nope <?><.>sh</.></?> it's time to talk to sherry hi

  <WSC#DGB005:0790:Z3>
      hello

  <WSC#DGB005:0795:HS>
      <laughs>hello</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0800:Z3>
      sherry?

  <WSC#DGB005:0805:HS>
      yes <{><[>sherry</[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0810:Z3>
      <[>er <,></[></{> sharon

  <WSC#DGB005:0815:HS>
      <.>ye</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB005:0820:Z3>
      right uh good morning

  <WSC#DGB005:0825:HS>
      good morning

  <WSC#DGB005:0830:Z3>
      um look i'm ringing up to have a moan about these <,> benefit
      cut things and things um <,,> not <&>10:00</&> so much i'm i'm
      not on the d p b or anything

  <WSC#DGB005:0835:Z3>
      i'm married with three little kids <,>

  <WSC#DGB005:0840:Z3>
      um my husband's selfemployed

  <WSC#DGB005:0845:Z3>
      he's really trying to make a living out there

  <WSC#DGB005:0850:HS>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB005:0855:Z3>
      and um he hasn't had any wages for fourteen weeks trying to make
      his business go <,> and we don't qualify for anything

  <WSC#DGB005:0860:Z3>
      i'm sick of hearing about all these solo parents and <,> mothers
      and things that haven't got anything and i've got a few friends
      that are solo mothers and really seem to be on the pig's back

  <WSC#DGB005:0865:Z3>
      i know there's some genuine ones out there

  <WSC#DGB005:0870:HS>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB005:0875:Z3>
      but there's also some out there that really <,> are having the
      system on

  <WSC#DGB005:0880:HS>
      who should have <,> responsibility for THEM if they've been left

  <WSC#DGB005:0885:Z3>
      <.>w</.> <.>n</.> <.>th</.> <{><[>the <.>pers</.> the</[> people
      that deserve it you mean

  <WSC#DGB005:0890:HS>
      <[>by the husband</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0895:HS>
      <.>ye</.> ye the well <{1><[1>no</[1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0900:HS>
      the solo mothers right <{2><[2>you</[2> say are on the pig's
      back

  <WSC#DGB005:0905:HS>
      <{3><[3>is that <.>because</.></[3>

  <WSC#DGB005:0910:Z3>
      <[1>well <.>let's</.></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0915:Z3>
      <[2>yep</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB005:0920:Z3>
      <[3>no not all</[3></{3> of them but i'm just saying there's <,>
      a quite a few out there <,> that really are ripping the system
      off

  <WSC#DGB005:0925:HS>
      have you reported them

  <WSC#DGB005:0930:Z3>
      no <laughs>no</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB005:0935:HS>
      why not

  <WSC#DGB005:0940:Z3>
      well some of these people are my friends <,> <&>11:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB005:0945:HS>
      well what <{><[><.>ar</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB005:0950:Z3>
      <[>and</[></{> <,> you know the thing is too <,> <{><[>um <,>
      how can you</[> prove it

  <WSC#DGB005:0955:HS>
      <[>well that's the problem isn't it</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB005:0960:HS>
      well if you know it's happening they've got a new <,> um <,> a
      new BRANCH of social welfare that you ring <{1><[1>and tell</[1>

  <WSC#DGB005:0965:HS>
      now you see you can't have <{2><[2>it</[2> both ways

  <WSC#DGB005:0970:HS>
      you've just said to us that <,> you've had no wages for fourteen
      weeks

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      how are you managing

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      <[1>er well</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yes</[2></{2> <&>11:20</&>
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