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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side two</&>
  <&>0:36</&>
  

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      what about ripping off the system though

  <WSC#DGB006:0010:SC>
      do you think <{><[>that your taxes <.>should</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0015:ZZ>
      <[>i personally think the</[></{> example set by those at the
      top <,> of them getting what they can for themselves sets the
      example for <.>those</.>

  <WSC#DGB006:0020:ZZ>
      if i can apply like a military logic if you've got good
      leadership at the top and they're going through <,> the same um
      if you're out in the field and you're getting wet and cold and
      the officer in charge is just as wet and cold <,> you know <.>you</.>
      you're willing to do that bit <&>1:00</&> extra you're all in
      the same boat but if the person at the top is warm and dry and
      well fed and comfy and you're still wet cold and not fed then
      you're gonna start well hell if it's all right for him it's all
      right for me

  <WSC#DGB006:0025:SC>
      yes i take your point absolutely <latch>

  <WSC#DGB006:0030:ZZ>
      <.>it's</.> people are following the example set by the
      politicians at the top which is get what you can for yourself
      and and <{><[>greed's</[> the name of the game <latch>

  <WSC#DGB006:0035:SC>
      <[>but listen</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0040:SC>
      but what about individual morality

  <WSC#DGB006:0045:SC>
      what about ripping off the system

  <WSC#DGB006:0050:SC>
      <{><[>you</[> shouldn't be <.>impre</.> just because someone
      else breaks a window and steals something is that make it
      acceptable for you to do it

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      two wrongs don't make a right? <latch>

  <WSC#DGB006:0060:ZZ>
      <[><.>it's</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0065:ZZ>
      no but again it comes down to the fact that people <.>are</.>
      had enough OF um being told you have <?>this</?> one set of
      rules for you and one set of rules for us <latch>

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      yes i agree with that but what about this question of WELL <{1><[1>the</[1>
      state'll do something for me so i don't actually have to work
      very hard or work at all

  <WSC#DGB006:0075:SC>
      i mean that's <.>what</.> there's a mind set's <{2><[2>crept</[2>
      into all this hasn't it

  <WSC#DGB006:0080:ZZ>
      <[1><.>i</.></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB006:0085:ZZ>
      <[2>well</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB006:0090:ZZ>
      yeah that that woman who was saying that her husband and her
      haven't drawn wages from their jobs for fourteen weeks or <{><[>something</[>
      well that's what put the country in the crap <laughs>that sort
      of</laughs> <,> i mean <latch> <&>2:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB006:0095:SC>
      <[>right right</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0100:SC>
      no they're selfemployed they're trying to make a go of it

  <WSC#DGB006:0105:SC>
      he's ploughing the money back into the business <O>voc</O> it
      would seem

  <WSC#DGB006:0110:ZZ>
      yeah but she was having a big moan about she hadn't drawn wages
      for fourteen weeks

  <WSC#DGB006:0115:ZZ>
      well that's not the benefit's fault it's <.>not</.> it's THEIR
      fault if <.>they</.> if they can't do their business well enough
      to provide <,> an income it's <{><[>you know</[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0120:SC>
      <[>oh be fair</[></{> the recession is not <,> something that
      perhaps they were directly responsible for?

  <WSC#DGB006:0125:ZZ>
      yeah actually what <.>i</.> i just <{><[>that was <.>just</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0130:SC>
      <[><drawls>AND</drawls></[></{> she's <?><.>wr</.></?> objecting
      to the fact that they've gone without to try and make a business
      that may in time grow and create jobs for other people and all

  <WSC#DGB006:0135:SC>
      meanwhile there are other people ripping off the system

  <WSC#DGB006:0140:SC>
      that's what she objects to

  <WSC#DGB006:0145:ZZ>
      oh yeah i don't <.>d</.> deny that but there's also people ON a
      benefit who go without a hell of a lot more and who probably get
      deeper and deeper into a trough but they've got NO way of
      getting out you know

  <WSC#DGB006:0150:ZZ>
      <{><[>it's a <.>selfperpetuating</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0155:SC>
      <[>well er that's what missus shipley's</[></{> missus shipley
      and her government are trying to SHAKE us out of that <?>s</?>
      torpor <{><[>aren't</[> they

  <WSC#DGB006:0160:ZZ>
      <[>well</[></{> that's actually what i rang about <{><[>was</[>
      this katherine regan's gonna live for a week on a benefit

  <WSC#DGB006:0165:SC>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0170:SC>
      well she's in hospital at the moment <.>an</.> and i <&>3:00</&>
      don't know we think it might be fairer to talk to her when she
      comes out and ask her how she plans to do it from what starting
      base and whether a week's long enough <{><[>cos</[> i know a lot
      of people don't think it is <latch>

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      <[><.>w</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0180:ZZ>
      well i'm quite willing to volunteer to live on HER salary for a
      week you know

  <WSC#DGB006:0185:SC>
      <O>laughs</O> <{><[>you</[> mean swapping roles

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      <[><O>voc</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0195:ZZ>
      EXACTLY

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      i'm <.>quite</.> <{1><[1>i'm not on a benefit</[1> but <.>i'm</.>
      i'm quite happy to suffer the hardship she suffers on her salary
      and um <,> <{2><[2>well</[2> if she's serious about it

  <WSC#DGB006:0205:SC>
      <[1>the prince and the pauper</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB006:0210:SC>
      <[2><.>well</.></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB006:0215:SC>
      well she would say that she works for that salary

  <WSC#DGB006:0220:ZZ>
      well yeah you could debate that endlessly but um <latch>

  <WSC#DGB006:0225:SC>
      <drawls>well</drawls> what about it

  <WSC#DGB006:0230:SC>
      do <.>politicians</.> should they be paid or should they be <.>voluntary</.>
      voluntarily serving the state in which case then it becomes the
      preserve of the rich doesn't it like it used to be <{><[>in</[>
      england in the <.>w</.> time of the whigs and what have you

  <WSC#DGB006:0235:ZZ>
      <[><.>they</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0240:ZZ>
      yeah well they should be on a contract basis the same as other
      <?>employed</?>

  <WSC#DGB006:0245:ZZ>
      if they promise and they don't deliver toss them out <,>

  <WSC#DGB006:0250:ZZ>
      <.>it's</.> <.>it's</.> it's <{><[><.>a</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0255:SC>
      <[>yes</[></{> but how can we <drawls>PROVE</drawls> that you
      see

  <WSC#DGB006:0260:SC>
      i've thought about this this has come up several times this
      whole question of putting the so and so's on contract but how do
      you PROVE what sort of quantifiable <.>s</.> steps <&>4:00</&>
      could you use to assess the behaviour

  <WSC#DGB006:0265:SC>
      i mean <quickly>look at the</quickly> cretinous people who've
      been chief executives of organisations that <.>are</.> have gone
      broke or <.>in</.> are in deep trouble never called to account
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB006:0270:ZZ>
      well <{><[>it's very simple</[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0275:SC>
      <[>how do <.>you</.></[></{> how do you quantify

  <WSC#DGB006:0280:ZZ>
      if <.>they</.> <{1><[1>you have to</[1> sign <.>a</.> sign a
      form a application form for the job <{2><[2>same as everyone
      else</[2>

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      <[1><laughs>hm hm</laughs></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB006:0290:SC>
      <[2>yes yes yes</[2></{2>

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      but what do they have to DO for it

  <WSC#DGB006:0300:ZZ>
      they have to outline their goals

  <WSC#DGB006:0305:ZZ>
      if they make a promise it must be kept if not they've failed
      it's simple

  <WSC#DGB006:0310:SC>
      yes but what about the <?><.>extr</.> dernal</?> forces <.>that</.>
      that impinge on this country where the best set goals get
      screwed up like a fall in trade fall in the dollar um some sort
      of appalling dumping by the european community on <.>world</.>
      <O>voc</O> commodity markets

  <WSC#DGB006:0315:SC>
      how do you <,> cope with that

  <WSC#DGB006:0320:SC>
      those things muddy the water <,>

  <WSC#DGB006:0325:SC>
      <{><[><with deep voice>don't</[> they?</with deep voice>

  <WSC#DGB006:0330:ZZ>
      <[><.>bu</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB006:0335:SC>
      <{><[>DON'T THEY ALLAN</[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0340:ZZ>
      <[>well <.>they</.> they're well</[></{> they're well aware of a
      lot of these things before they get in

  <WSC#DGB006:0345:ZZ>
      they just <.>act</.> pretend they're ignorant about it oh gosh
      shock horror <{><[>look at the books</[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0350:SC>
      <[>well look what happened</[></{> yesterday when george bush
      had his little flutter in the heart and the dollar went all to
      haywire when they thought that dan quayle might be taking over

  <WSC#DGB006:0355:SC>
      i mean those are <&>5:00</&> things <{><[>you can't <.>possibly</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB006:0360:ZZ>
      <[>well then you look</[></{> at changing the <?><.>sto</.></?>
      i mean <,> <.>wh</.> when i grew up you never saw these stock
      market reports

  <WSC#DGB006:0365:ZZ>
      now it seems the money market is the big news on t v

  <WSC#DGB006:0370:SC>
      have you had a good go this morning cos it's nearly news time?

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      well the other thing is i was gonna say if katherine regan's
      serious she should get er the same amount as a solo mother that
      <.>she</.> <latch>

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      okay <{><[>thanks</[>

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      <[><O>voc</O></[></{> <&>5:17</&>
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