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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>4:45</&>
  

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      it's twelve past ten

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      eric evening

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      good evening mike

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      how are you <latch>

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      well

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      i just um heard your little talk with mister bolger <O>clears
      throat</O>

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      what is the difference <&>5:00</&> between a busload of retired
      shoe repairers off to a picnic and jim bolger

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      <O>laughs</O> <laughs>what</laughs>

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      you don't know

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      no well <.>there</.> there's no difference

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      they're both a <.>l</.> load of old cobblers <latch>

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      <laughs>yes <?>oh right</?></laughs> <latch>

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      um <O>clears throat</O> <,> i'm you don't know me <,>

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      have you heard of my little action

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      your action

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      mm

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      um well tell me

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      i'm eric from christchurch

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      well i what have you done eric

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      you didn't hear about the er my handing back of my medals

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      oh it is you

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      no yes i do know of you <latch>

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      <O>laughs</O> um just <.>a</.> have you um got the latest issue
      of the listener

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      the one with <drawls>um</drawls> <&>tapping sound</&> de niro on
      the cover

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      yeah

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      yep

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      you read page starting on page fifteen <latch>

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      what does fifteen say <&>6:00</&>

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      er <,> um pensioners i'll i'll just i've i've done a few of
      these things in highlighting pen just <.>a</.> <.>a</.> <.>the</.>
      little <.>n</.> things about <reads>pensioners may be back on
      the gruel</reads> but for retired judges and m ps <{><[>they're
      <.>still</.></[>

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      <[>oh yes</[></{> have read it <{><[>read it</[> fully and er
      found it absolutely fascinating and my comment for monday is on
      that very subject <latch>

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      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      is it

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      well <{><[><.>o</.></[> er you know <.>i</.> <.>i</.> in case
      people like this um

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      <[><softly>yep</softly></[></{>

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      yep go for it <latch>

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      <.>thi</.> this this double standard um by politicians er
      further down the page and <.>th</.> and this is very er
      appropriate

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      <reads>in nineteen eighty nine opposition finance spokeswoman
      ruth richardson described the m ps' and judges' scheme <?>as</?>
      an obscene as obscene

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      paul east opposition justice spokesperson criticised the judges'
      scheme too</reads>

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      now er if that was so <O>voc</O> there was a good opportunity to
      prune some of that in her budget because under er er all these
      er high court judges they get seventy five thousand dollars tax
      free

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      yep <&>7:00</&>

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      it has not been <drawls>frozen</drawls> and subject to a tough
      new income <.>ta</.> test in <.>the</.> in <.>th</.> in <.>the</.>
      in the budget so they still get it and so do and and the um m
      ps' pensions aren't affected by the surtax or anything like that

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      now what i would like to know why is there one law for one part
      <.>o</.> one portion of the community and one for the other

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      i thought that we were all one people in this country <latch>

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      you thought wrong

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      oh i know that

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      i've well i'm just <.>saying</.> <.>the</.> <.>the</.> <.>the</.>
      <.>the</.> <O>voc</O> when when <.>you</.> when you start
      looking <.>ba</.> into politicians' minds er you're not
      surprised that there's er that there's er been a couple of
      resignations today

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      i'm not surprised at all

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      i could see it coming a mile away and i don't think it'll be the
      last of them either

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      um you know i would like to know why when <.>mis</.> i've got a
      little <,> piece here where miss um ms richardson and i'll quote
      this <&>8:00</&>

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      <reads>miss richardson</reads> <.>t</.> this is after the budget
      <reads>said people on middle to high incomes might immediately
      react to the budget by saying it hit budgets which were already
      tight

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      first i have to say there was noone else to offload the cost to</reads>

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      now i'm i <?><.>th</.></?> i think a lot of people out in the
      <.>she</.> she's well out of touch with people

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      we could we could tell them where they could offload some of the
      cost to

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      um what about all these houses that they're renting in
      wellington the cabinet members seven or eight hundred dollars a
      week <?>and</?> i think there was one er mentioned that was
      twelve hundred dollars a week

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      richardson's is nine

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      yeah <latch>

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      yep <latch>

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      now they're used from they're not there on monday

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      er er last monday was <.>the</.> the <.>f</.> one of the first
      <.>day</.> or the monday before was one of the first days that
      they'd been in parliament

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      now they're only there from tuesday till friday night because
      they're off home on friday night and so they have breakfast
      there they have lunch <.>and</.> they have lunch at <&>9:00</&>
      bellamy's and i guarantee <.>a</.> a lot of them don't go home
      for dinner they they probably go to a restaurant they can't be
      bothered having their wives there doing the what's its name er
      and they go and have it at restaurant because they get all that
      in their er amongst their salary and expenses so what's wrong
      with them er getting some money <O>voc</O> <.>b</.> er <.>b</.>
      er losing some money and going into a good bed and breakfast
      establishment

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      er that would <O>voc</O> that would be good enough for them
      paying about say a a couple of hundred dollars a week

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      <{><[><.>i</.> i reckon <.>that</.></[>

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      <[><.>w</.> what <.>do</.> what do</[></{> <.>you</.> what do
      you want them to do that for for the <.>mo</.> for savings for
      monetary savings <{><[>or for the psychological thing</[>

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      <[>well <?><.>that</.> that's like</?>

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      well</[></{> <.>mi</.> <.>miss</.> miss richardson said they
      haven't got money for this and money for that but <.>that</.>
      <.>the</.> there's this double standard <{><[>where</[> they are
      not leading by example are they <latch>

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      no they're not <{><[>but</[> i don't um i don't begrudge them a
      bit of decent housing

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      i don't begrudge them all the er the <.>b</.> i don't even
      begrudge them bellamy's to be honest

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      what i do begrudge them is that extraordinary superannuation
      scheme <&>10:00</&>

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      <[>no</[></{>

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      yeah <{><[>i <unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[>and and it's</[></{> outrageous <{1><[1>absolutely</[1>
      outrageous

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      it's er it's made even more outrageous er <.>b</.> <.>b</.> by
      the fact that they continually mouth on about how unrealistic it
      is <{2><[2>and</[2> refuse to do anything about it

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      <[1><?>it's</?></[1></{1>

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      <[2><unclear>word</unclear></[2></{2>

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      yeah they've <.>p</.> they've they've pandered it over to the
      higher salaries commission

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      now surely <.>by</.> they they handled it before <.>in</.> in
      seven minutes <{1><[1>and</[1> raised it by a third <{2><[2><.>and</.></[2>
      and cut down the time that you <?><.>a</.></?> er subscribe to
      it <unclear>word</unclear> and they did that in seven minutes

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      they could do the same thing in reverse in seven minutes but <.>you</.>
      you wouldn't catch them doing it <{3><[3>would you</[3>

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      <[3>yes but</[3></{3> they don't want to

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      it's because they're <{1><[1>hypocritical

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      it's</[1> probably the er the biggest bugbear they're going to
      face as er times get tighter and people's budgets shrink that
      sort of er article and that sort of publicity is really going to
      start to hurt them

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      i don't begrudge the judges

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      i think judges deserve a pretty decent whack because they're
      exTRAORdinarily well trained <{2><[2>and</[2> they have an
      eNORmous responsibility on their shoulders and they are in fact
      completely separate because they don't run the country

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      <[1><unclear>word</unclear> no</[1></{1>

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      <[2><?>oh</?></[2></{2>

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      yes but <{><[>the point yes but <.>the</.></[>

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      <[>but er the <.>po</.> the</[></{> politicians <drawls>er</drawls>
      er er it's outrageous <&>11:00</&>

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      yeah but the point is it says in here too at present ten retired
      district court <{><[>judges</[>

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      <[>yes indeed</[></{>

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      and four retired high court judges are back on the <.>be</.>
      bench helping out

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      now they're getting their seventy five thousand dollars a year
      tax free and they're also being employed as relieving er judges
      for a judge six hundred dollars a day

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      that's high court <latch>

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      and the district court charge <latch>

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      yep <latch>

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      four hundred and eighty nine dollars a <?>time</?> <latch>

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      yes but it's a it's a it's an extraordinary skill they have

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      oh yes i realise that <latch>

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      and you got to reward that skill

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      yes i know but i'm just saying that <.>the</.> then then they
      <.>tu</.> i'm just saying <.>w</.> who we're <.>pa</.> we're
      paying we're paying those they don't have to go into that they
      chose to go into that profession

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      they could make more in private practice

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      er we didn't tell them that they had to go and get in that job

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      they were offered the job er <.>and</.> and some <?>other</?>
      judges have refused those jobs <{><[>but</[>

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      <[>yes</[></{> indeed but i mean even more would refuse if the
      pay was no good <latch>

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      oh yes i realise that <latch> <&>12:00</&>

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      <?>and</?> so you got to pay for quality and er i think we get
      good quality er judges in this country by and large <latch>

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      what are retired um what <.>do</.> what do retired um <,> radio
      journalists er <,> get

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      nothing

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      oh god but you do a good job <latch>

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      yes i do and i deserve <.>the</.> <.>i</.> i deserve <.>hu</.>
      humongous amounts of money

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      yes <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[><.>i</.></[></{> i deserve to be set up for the rest of my
      life

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      yeah <latch>

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      but <?>it</?> the world is injust <&>ie unjust</&> <latch>

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      <O>laughs</O> <{><[><O>laughs</O></[> well <.>you</.> well you
      <.>y</.> well you you sit in judgement sometimes don't you
      <latch>

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      <[>isn't it eric</[></{>

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      yes i do and <.>i</.> <.>a</.> and as i say <.>i</.> i there is
      not an amount of money in this world that <.>i</.> that i would
      not be unhappy with unfortunately <latch>

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      <O>voc</O> <latch>

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      it's not going to happen

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      well why don't you appeal to er some higher authority <latch>

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      er because the <laughs>higher authority wouldn't listen to me
      <{><[>is basically why</laughs></[>

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      got to go eric

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      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

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      okay <latch>

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      nice to talk to you <latch>

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      bye <latch>

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      bye

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      it's ten nineteen

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      this is fairline there zero three seven nine oh three two one

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      vaughan

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      good evening mike <latch>

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      gidday <latch>

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      i'm i'm actually quite surprised at the reporting of the the
      <&>13:00</&> miles mcintyre affair <&>pronounced as fee air</&>
      er affair

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      first of all i didn't think it was a bombshell the way that
      radio new zealand news um described it on both networks the
      commercial and national networks <latch>

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      yep

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      secondly um i think <.>y</.> you've got to determine when you
      analyse the whole thing and i agree with much of your comment by
      the way er um about political opportunism

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      gilbert myles according to a frontline programme of several
      months ago was a labour party activist <latch>

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      mhm <latch>

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      until not long ago

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      now i mean if i jumped this er the fence as many times as he has
      i'd probably do myself an injury over <{><[>the last</[> five
      years

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      i mean <,> <.>y</.> <.>you</.> <.>th</.> <.>the</.> there is no
      integrity in constitutionally and and even in recognising the
      word honourable as part of the title that goes with a member of
      parliament you shouldn't be coming out publicly saying that
      you're going to undermine the government

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      <[><with gravelly voice>mhm</with gravelly voice></[></{>

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      should you not <&>14:00</&>

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      i don't think so er in the way that he is

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      um i <.>tha</.> that is quite different from from being
      outspoken in opposition to activities of the government but to
      to actually um sort of say that that that is going to be your
      sole purpose over the next few years is is to me is is a little
      bit of a worry because in new zealand whether people like it or
      not <.>the</.> <.>the</.> the three year period for a government
      is ample given the performance of of <.>the</.> recent
      governments but at least for those three years the governments
      are stable

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      mm <latch>

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      and i think we're quite lucky to have stable governments

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      even if if they upset everybody um we're lucky that that's all
      they do um <,>

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      <.>i</.> <.>i</.> i <.>p</.> think that er the resignation of
      people like gilbert myles is is really been <.>overemot</.> <.>it</.>
      <.>be</.> er you know <.>it</.> <&>15:00</&> there's been too
      much emotion put in front of it and and no analysis um with
      <latch>

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      yeah <latch>

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      with one or two exceptions <latch>

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      mm

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      i think to <drawls>to</drawls> to say that you're not going to
      crawl to your boss um in the way that er gilbert myles said to
      you tonight when when discussing the the contact with the prime
      minister is is <{1><[1>is</[1> holding the whole thing in
      contempt

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      <{2><[2>he</[2> is <,> the leader of of our country as as picked
      by his colleagues through the party that he was prepared to
      represent and the party that got him in to parliament

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      mm <latch>

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      and i find the whole opportunism of of his action really smacks

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      <?>it's</?> just shallow

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      yes it's an intelligent comment and what he does er <.>my</.> i
      don't personally have a great deal of time for him

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      mcintyre's a different case <{><[>altogether <?>though</?></[>
      and er he's er obviously a fairly deep thinking person who is er
      ill suited to the er the rough and tumble of political life
      because it is pretty rough and tumble and it's obviously
      affected him pretty badly <latch> <&>16:00</&>

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      <[>i agree</[></{>

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      yes <{><[>um</[>

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      <[>and</[></{> er i'd er i'd er argue a case er for him as
      opposed to myles

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      i'd er i'd myles is a flash in the pan politician

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      he er quite freely and i mean yeah it's well known that he used
      to be a labour party supporter and he er went in er to kick
      labour out basically <{><[>and of</[> course er he and all the
      other guys achieved that relatively successfully and er <.>it</.>
      you know <.>that</.> to to to plead ignorance on what this
      government were going to do i think er shows a little bit of
      naivety

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      i worked out what this government were going to do not to the
      extent they've done it but generally speaking if we thought that
      national were going to be some sort of miraculous er change in
      direction from labour then we were naive and then er if he
      believed that he is naive <latch>

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      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      aye well exactly

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      i think the point has to be remembered <.>that</.> that that
      that um <?>the</?> national party didn't get in because an
      overwhelming number of people voted for them <latch>

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      mm yeah that's right <latch>

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      they they got in because an overwhelming number of people voted
      <&>17:00</&> against labour um <.>a</.> and it is it is wrong
      for anybody to say that the national party has a mandate to
      govern um but it is also wrong to to actually kick <.>it</.> <.>it</.>
      it when you talk about social justice for example i believe it's
      wrong fundamentally wrong to kick the people that've helped you
      in the in the face

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      i agree <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0875:Z2>
      for the last eighteen months and and if you want to be a social
      worker <?>as</?> a <.>po</.> you shouldn't be a politician

  <WSC#DGB008:0880:HM>
      they should be holding a byelection in roskill and manawatu

  <WSC#DGB008:0885:HM>
      they went in despite what myles says they went on on a national
      ticket <{1><[1>and the</[1> people who voted for those guys put
      tick next to national <{2><[2>and it just happened that myles'
      name was there</[2>

  <WSC#DGB008:0890:Z2>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB008:0895:Z2>
      <[2>i wonder <.>if</.> well that's it</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB008:0900:Z2>
      you vote because um you liked the look of the leader on <{1><[1>television
      or</[1> your father's always voted labour for sixty years and
      you're always going to vote that way

  <WSC#DGB008:0905:Z2>
      it's not because <{2><[2><?>of</?></[2>

  <WSC#DGB008:0910:HM>
      <[1>right exactly right</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB008:0915:HM>
      <[2>or</[2></{2> if what you say is correct you voted national
      because you hated labour <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0920:Z2>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB008:0925:Z2>
      um i wonder if it's possible for the electorates to force a
      byelection because local government if there's a a <.>refer</.>
      a petition <&>18:00</&> that's signed by x percentage of the
      <drawls>the</drawls> um the <.>v</.> the available voters they
      have to have a byelection don't they <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0930:HM>
      yes they do indeed

  <WSC#DGB008:0935:HM>
      the other thing is and i have a bit of sympathy for the manawatu
      people who i understand are very upset <{><[>as far as er</[>
      myles is <.>c</.> er mcintyre's concerned

  <WSC#DGB008:0940:HM>
      they worked hard to get a national m p into that electorate
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0945:Z2>
      <[>yes they are</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB008:0950:Z2>
      yes they did <{1><[1>given</[1> it was a marginal <{2><[2>and
      they lost</[2> it on a recount <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0955:HM>
      <[1>and</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB008:0960:HM>
      <[2>exactly</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB008:0965:HM>
      exactly and so they deserve a better deal than that

  <WSC#DGB008:0970:HM>
      i think that er mcintyre despite his conscience and all that
      sort of thing at least could've discussed it with them and er if
      he couldn't go on he couldn't go on that's er life but i mean he
      to just come out arbitrarily and say that's it i quit <latch>

  <WSC#DGB008:0975:Z2>
      the sad thing about that was that i <.>ac</.> in an interview
      this morning on on the other <.>ra</.> radio new zealand network
      um he said that if he'd discussed it with his er electorate
      there would've been media leaks and all sorts of <{1><[1>things

  <WSC#DGB008:0980:Z2>
      i would've thought he would</[1> trusted people a bit better
      than <{2><[2>that</[2>

  <WSC#DGB008:0985:HM>
      <[1>so what so what</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB008:0990:HM>
      <[2>well</[2></{2> you either trust them and er if it does leak
      so what who cares

  <WSC#DGB008:0995:HM>
      <{1><[1>you're gonna resign</[1> you're gonna resign i mean it
      <{2><[2>doesn't matter</[2>

  <WSC#DGB008:1000:Z2>
      <[1><laughs>yeah</laughs></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB008:1005:Z2>
      <[2>well that's</[2></{2> right

  <WSC#DGB008:1010:Z2>
      your chairman <&>19:00</&> isn't gonna be the one that's gonna
      leak it is he

  <WSC#DGB008:1015:HM>
      exactly

  <WSC#DGB008:1020:HM>
      the good thing though that has come out of this and er the thing
      that myles has pointed out this <.>ti</.> the time has never
      been <.>m</.> righter for a third party in this country

  <WSC#DGB008:1025:HM>
      it's just unfortunate that they couldn't drag peters or er
      muldoon or somebody like that with them who's got a bit of oomph
      and <{><[>a <.>l</.> a bit of leadership quality</[>

  <WSC#DGB008:1030:Z2>
      <[><O>voc</O> er well <O>exhales</O></[></{> yeah i i agree but
      i mean you've got an intelligent experienced politician leading
      a party now in parliament and and he's got to resort to silly
      petitions <&>19:30</&>
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