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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>24:36</&>
  

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      evening to you arthur

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      yes

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      is that er you mike

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      yep

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      this is look i'm a bit nervous on this <latch>

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      don't worry about it

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      first time i've ever rung up <latch>

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      good on you

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      now we've got a couple of women as <unclear>word</unclear> <?>say</?>
      running this country ruth richardson and jenny shipley

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      now going back YEARS ago we had one woman in parliament and her
      name was mabel howard <latch>

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      mabel howard the <{><[>bloomer woman</[>

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      <[>now does</[></{> <.>anybod</.> yeah she hung a pair of
      bloomers out over the balcony <&>25:00</&>

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      that's right <{><[>and</[> she went down to er i remember <.>s</.>
      reading about her she went down to some building site or police
      station or something didn't she it was a building site and she
      climbed up a whole bunch of ladders to the top to talk to the
      men

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      was that right

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      <[>er</[></{>

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      well i'm not too sure who <O>voc</O> she talked to the men but
      she hung her bloomers out <{><[>or a</[> pair of bloomers in
      parliament building

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      <[>that's right</[></{>

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      i remember that

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      now <,> that was the only woman in parliament

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      is that right

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      er i think so at the time yeah <latch>

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      now i don't know what i'm trying to er get through here but
      we've got these two women as i say mentioned before

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      mm

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      we had a prime minister prior to the two we've just had says a
      couple of SCHOOL teachers are running the country <?>rolling</?>
      and tizard

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      right

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      well now apparently it gives me the er impression we've got a
      couple of WOMEN running it

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      NO we haven't

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      bolger's running this country <{1><[1>or you listen</[1> you
      listen to some people <{2><[2>the bureaucrats are</[2> or
      treasury is

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      i think the basic problem is that the er the punter in the
      street given all of the comment that's coming in doesn't have a
      clue who's <&>26:00</&> running the country

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      could be bolger could er ruth richardson or jenny shipley could
      be treasury could be the bureaucracy er could be the er high
      fliers on the round table could be anybody

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      <[1>well i'm not too</[1></{1>

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      <[2>i'm not too sure</[2></{2>

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      <.>i</.> i can go along with that but er do they remember mabel
      howard

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      i don't know <{><[>whether they do or not</[>

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      oh they'd know of her

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      <[>they would be too young</[></{>

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      <.>th</.> er OF her

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      well why don't they follow in her footsteps

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      why

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      what did she do that's so fantastic <latch>

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      well in the labour party in those days they were great

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      they were great

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      they made us

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      i'm fifty seven years of age <latch>

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      mm <latch>

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      and they brought <&>pronounced as bought</&> us right through a
      depression and the lot

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      yes they did actually

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      they got us out of it although there is <O>voc</O> a pretty good
      economic argument that says we come out of depressions anyway
      whether we do much or not

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      i mean it's a cyclical thing it's an historic thing and it's an
      international thing

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      they say the world is on an upturn at the moment the world
      economy is er come out of it and is growing slowly and we'll
      pick up on that whether we're doing anything or not

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      oh well

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      the other thing is i mean you're talking about the building of
      the houses and stuff like that aren't you

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      they all launched in and built a whole bunch of houses to <{><[>er</[>
      <&>27:00</&>

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      <[>well</[></{> they're all state houses

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      indeed but er what what do we do we need state houses now

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      we need state houses like we need a hole in the head

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      well there's plenty of empty ones

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      yes there is and that's the funny thing so we don't need to <{><[>build</[>

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      <[>why don't</[></{> they fill them

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      well exactly

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      we don't need to build anymore do we

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      well not <.>rea</.> well there were are areas where you can

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      yeah

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      i liked it the other day

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      did you read that story you know how they're trying to change
      the housing system and if you're a single person in a three
      bedroom house <{><[>they want to <.>k</.></[> they want to try
      and kick you out

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      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

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      oh no you got to take er in laws in

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      yeah well that

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      well see they haven't got any one bedroom houses that's just it

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      a third of the occupants of the <.>house</.> state houses in
      this country are by themselves right <{><[>and yet</[> fifty
      seven percent of the houses are three BEDroom houses

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      <[><?>yeah</?></[></{>

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      mm

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      and so they've got hardly any one bedroom houses whole bunch of
      <.>w</.> single people so what they need to be doing is building
      the single room houses don't they

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      i'll go along with that

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      good i'm glad

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      nice to talk to you

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      right oh then

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      take care

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      evening bob

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      gidday mike

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      you're well <&>28:00</&>

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      well mate good <O>voc</O> good little interview

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      <{><[>you tried</[> you tried to get her on tack you tried you
      tried to hold her to it and you did <O>voc</O> reasonably well
      at it

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      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

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      thank you

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      now <.>th</.> um i was gonna ask you a question about this but i
      won't because your your producer reckons and i've conceded that
      what i was gonna say concerning ruth richardson wouldn't do us
      any good because you'd already had the interview and it would
      only stir things so i won't

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      nothing wrong with stirring things

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      no no <{><[>it's all right it's all right</[>

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      now <O>voc</O> what i would like to mention is this woman who
      just rang up about the <.>c</.> this military that's going on at
      the moment the the naval fifty year business <latch>

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      <[>as you well know bob</[></{>

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      yep <latch>

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      what a load of rubbish

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      i mean when when the the the belt tightening is going on so so
      called er it is an amazing thing to see all this these
      helicopters rushing around the place <.>r</.> you know burning
      up MASSES of fuel and you've got your ships and you've got your
      parties and cocktail parties and god knows what celebrating
      birthdays

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      i mean <O>laughs</O> it just <&>29:00</&> seems to be an
      enormous waste of money

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      um i've said it before i'll say it again helicopters are a very
      very good thing and they should be unique in <.>wel</.> in new
      zealand as a a civil defence force

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      yeah <latch>

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      they should be they should be stationed <.>r</.> up and down the
      north and the south island maybe at six to eight different
      depots

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      they would be called the civil defence

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      they would not be <O>voc</O> anything to do with army navy or
      airforce but they would be civil defence

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      they would also oversee the er air air sea rescue any other
      rescue mountain rescues any civil defence emergencies and they
      would be the best vehicles to do that because they could take
      off without needing a runway <,>

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      any shipping that was um pinching our fish they could go out and
      more or less <drawls>er</drawls> give a <.>g</.> give notice
      exactly where the ship was that was doing the <&>30:00</&>
      illegal fishing and we could have two or three small craft in
      each island that would go out and actually arrest the captains
      of that ship <,>

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      this would cut down comPLETely the eNORmous waste for these <.>in</.>
      these ridiculous frigates and other ships that are okay they're
      nice grey hulks from the past but they don't you know they might
      look all very er tremendous going through the waters and look at
      these beautiful big grey ships with their big guns but what the
      hell use are they <latch>

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      yeah <latch>

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      and they're wasting money

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      now <,> i've even thought how to arrange savings through the
      military because your basic people from the military that's army
      navy AND airforce would run these six or eight depots which
      would be civil defence depots

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      they would run them

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      they would go they would be all divided up

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      anyone who wanted to be in these depots would it would be a
      PURELY voluntary thing

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      anybody else and most of the people in the military have taken
      some form of trade or other they would all leave the military if
      the ones that <&>31:00</&> wanted to leave with some form of
      gratuity

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      they would a heck of a lot of them would do a great deal for
      themselves

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      they would leave their er army navy or airforce and they'd get
      into business on their own with <O>voc</O> the <.>he</.> the
      help of the trade that they'd already learnt because a hell of a
      lot of them are tradesmen

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      um they would they would be VERY welcome from any sensible
      government <.>t</.> to stay with the outfit and run the civil
      defence

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      makes sense <latch>

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      beCAUSE there would be no tanks guns ships or other crap <.>th</.>
      <.>th</.> you know that would be then sold off to iraq whatever
      whoever <O>voc</O> else wanted it <latch>

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      why can't you just commandeer helicopters that are round anyway

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      why do you have special ones

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      no don't i'm not saying

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      you would HAVE to have very well equipped <.>h</.> <O>voc</O> it
      would be very well worthwhile buying the best in helicopters so
      that you could operate in all weathers like er most military
      ones have got the various radar help and god knows what to help
      them <{><[>go</[> through the filthy weather and go at night to
      see what's going on <O>voc</O>

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      they <&>32:00</&> would be an eNORmous help to the police at
      certain times as with all these bank robberies

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      they would be <O>voc</O> all could be used and charged up to the
      various departments but you know it could be user pay type of
      thing as well <latch>

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      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      yeah

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      it it would WORK

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      I I CAN'T BELIEVE why they keep on with this military in its
      present form

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      because of <{><[>history</[>

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      <[>it it</[></{> it it with all its look did you HEAR yesterday
      they're going they were all having cocktail parties and things
      like this on the ships in various place to to celebrate this
      birthday thing

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      i mean i could not believe it <,>

  <WSC#DGB013:0640:Z2>
      <{1><[1>i mean i</[1> celebrated a fiftieth birthday about a
      <{2><[2>year ago and somebody sent me a card <,></[2>

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      i got a CARD from my daughter and that was it <{3><[3><,> but</[3>
      i thought god almighty they've all got to go and have cocktail
      parties and <,> you know er oh look remember the battle of the
      somme

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      we were all there you know bugger this <latch>

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      <[1>well that's <unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

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      <[2><O>laughs</O></[2></{2>

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      <[3><O>laughs</O></[3></{3>

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      <O>laughs</O> <{><[><O>laughs</O></[> good to talk to you bob

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      <[>i'm fed up with it</[></{>

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      listen mate

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      yeah

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      there's one more thing

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      <{1><[1>i was</[1> talking to a guy on the bus today he was a
      visitor from melbourne and he <.>quo</.> we were just having a
      little natter about things on the way into wellington and he
      said something about the fact that <&>33:00</&> fourteen cents
      per litre l p g in melbourne fourteen <{2><[2>cents</[2> <,>

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      er now i hope he's right because i don't want to be <O>voc</O> i
      don't want to be wrong on my facts on this programme

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      er WE pay around seventy four cents a litre for l p g

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      <[1>good</[1></{1>

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      <[2>WHAT</[2></{2>

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      no we don't do we

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      er a <.>li</.> a litre

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      i i thought it was something like fifty five sixty <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0735:Z2>
      well if it's sixty he says <.>sevent</.> he <.>wa</.> he was
      just quoting that he'd seen it seventy

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      <{><[>well</[> let's let's presume it was sixty

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      <[>yeah</[></{>

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      right

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      and he says that it's fourteen cents a litre in melbourne

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      i <{><[>can't</[> believe it <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0765:Z2>
      <[><?>he</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

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      well i couldn't but he said look he's he's people are bringing
      back v eights and goodness knows what now and <.>pu</.> just
      putting them on to l p g because of the low <{><[>price of l p g</[>

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      <[>fourteen cents</[></{> a litre

  <WSC#DGB013:0780:Z2>
      that well you know well if you work that out at a gallon <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0785:HM>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0790:Z2>
      that's forty that's about er sixty cents a gallon which is goes
      back to petrol in the old <laughs>days or virtually</laughs>
      <latch>

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      does doesn't it <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0800:Z2>
      but anyway it's worth looking if you could just research some
      facts on that

  <WSC#DGB013:0805:Z2>
      you're in a better position to do <&>34:00</&> that than i am
      <,> and i thought well you know

  <WSC#DGB013:0810:HM>
      good idea <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0815:Z2>
      the lady said before that the government the <.>la</.> well the
      gentleman did about the labour party being great and i thought
      to myself yeah great <?>it does</?> you know in the thirties
      they're great in retrospect not great really but when you look
      at anything way back thirty forty years you think oh those were
      the days

  <WSC#DGB013:0820:Z2>
      now i'll tell you who's really great in retrospect compared to
      <,> roger douglas and the and the crowd that are there now is
      muldoon and that's not so far back so i'll leave you on that
      note <latch>

  <WSC#DGB013:0825:HM>
      yes <O>voc</O> see you later bob <&>34:37</&>
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