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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>6:07</&>
  

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      maureen good morning on line three

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      good morning maureen

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      good morning richard

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      how are you

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      i wanted to say a bit about the financial <.>malfunction</.>
      economic malfunction of our country

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      mind you i have a lot <laughs>of malfunctioning</laughs> in my
      own <laughs>accounts</laughs>

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      <{><[><?>this is what</?> always <.>worries</.></[>

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      <[>and it it's</[></{> mainly due to entrepreneurial <&>pronounced
      entrepeneurial</&> and <.>manage</.> er <.>ma</.> manufacturing
      greed but there is a big thing i want to talk about these state
      owned enterprises and the sale <.>of</.>

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      <.>why</.> why do you think it's due to manufacturing greed
      maureen

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      because they've all they they go overseas to manufacture er like
      people are saying our timber sent out <{1><[1>oh and</[1> that's
      going to be good to um if they do it here you know process it
      here <{2><[2>but</[2> however with all the poisons they use
      it'll cost us more to clean the poisoning up never mind that

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      you know it's such a wide range <latch>

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      <[1>mm mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>mhm</[2></{2>

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      you mean the processing of timber before it's <.>proce</.>
      before it's further processed cut up <.>and</.>

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      it gives you a lot of expense in disposing of <&>7:00</&> the
      treatment er poisoning things you <.>kno</.> you understand all
      that

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      <{><[><.>however</.></[>

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      <[>oh i</[></{> wish i understood it entirely but i i take your
      point

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      in fact <.>i</.> i'd love to see for instance er a perhaps very
      selective milling of some of our indigenous timber that wouldn't
      be wouldn't be sold in a milled form off shore it would be
      turned into er classic <{><[>new zealand furniture that could be
      exported</[>

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      <[>yes that's right yes lovely</[></{>

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      however richard when we get these MEN who go into our state
      owned enterprises and start managing them and <{><[>they think</[>
      they own them and then they're prepared and sold off nobody
      screams monopoly do they

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      <[>right</[></{>

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      no you're right <{><[>they don't</[>

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      <[>because they</[></{> are selling monopolies

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      <{><[><?><.>they</.></?></[>

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      <[>they</[></{> have they're monopolies that THEY haven't put
      together

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      i i <{><[>do take your point there's a lot <.>of</.></[>

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      <[>yes it's awful</[></{> and now with telecom selling these
      STUPID New Zealanders' shares back in telecom to make sure
      they'll keep on using telecom's PHONES

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      <.>well</.> er did you hear about this morning this giant
      telephone company in america is <.>w</.> setting up with japan
      china and asia a new <&>8:00</&> telephone system

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      bet THAT will give bell a lot of problems

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      yes i did and i think you'll find um <.>i</.> in fact <.>i</.> i
      know that this <.>was</.> <O>inhales</O> this was mooted at the
      time the sale went through um and er the bell people the bell
      atlantic people that were down here made no secret of it

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      they saw new zealand <O>tut</O> as a um as a hopping off step er
      hopping off stone <.>a</.> <.>a</.> a platform for an expansion
      of telecom new zealand into south east asia and possibly even
      into australia

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      they er they made it clear that they couldn't do it because of
      federal restrictions in the united states that is they couldn't
      expand their empire in the united states any further er
      basically because of monopoly legislation up there er so they
      they no made no secret of it <.>they</.> <.>they</.> they
      suggested they'd come down here on the basis that new zealand
      would give them a platform for expansion into the south pacific
      and southeast asia

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      um richard can you explain to us now with the buying of telecom
      and state owned enterprises like that these big firms buy them

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      mhm <latch>

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      and then they sell you back shares <{><[>and</[> so they've
      virtually got a big business for <&>9:00</&> nothing really in a
      way

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      <[>mhm</[></{>

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      well i suppose <.>the</.> the only difference is you've got an
      option to buy the shares or otherwise but <.>they</.> they paid
      er i think it was four point five billion they paid for telecom
      er it was a big sale at the time er but <.>you</.> you've
      absolutely valid point

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      <{><[>er what they've bought is something that er</[>

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      <[>and can't can't you</[></{> see they they're scraping the <.>money</.>
      it's like new zealand <.>i</.> has got a guts <.>and</.> and the
      guts is being taken out and we're going to crumble

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      all this money <{><[>is just going</[>

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      <[>well yeah i do</[></{> the contrary argument and certainly
      it's the one that the government both governments have put up
      time after time is that there is no business er <.>that</.> well
      the government has no business er the state has no business
      running things like er coal mines telephone companies er and if
      it comes to that computer companies er

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      um there is some validity <{><[>in that</[>

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      <[>the STATE</[></{> is the FATHER to the nation has to be
      <latch>

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      well yeah i i mean that that certainly was a concept that we all
      grew up with

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      it's a concept that now has changed

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      the the modern politician tells us that the state simply
      facilitates er the ability of a a community to <&>10:00</&> run
      its own destiny

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      i find that a little hard to swallow but that's the argument and
      that's the one that certainly has precedence at the moment

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      and it amazes me that they say in two three years things will
      get better

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      well what are you going to tell these kids of eighteen and
      twenty

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      they're starving now

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      they're not going to be alive in two or three years time

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      well i <.>d</.> <laughs>i think we might</laughs> i think that's
      probably a LITTLE bit er <{1><[1>er a little bit</[1> emotional
      but i i look times have changed remarkably

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      there's a great deal more pain in our community than there used
      to be

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      i think er a lot of it is unnecessary nevertheless the argument
      goes and er we <.>on</.> only the future's going to er allow
      that one to either come home to roost or otherwise the argument
      goes that er once we've got a fundamentally solid er economic
      structure in this country then business and enterprise will grow
      and we'll grow with it <{2><[2>and</[2> we'll only have to wait
      for that one maureen

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      <[1>no <.>you</.> you ask some of them</[1></{1>

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      <[2><.>ye</.></[2></{2>

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      richard er it's amazing

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      jenny is being generous because she's enlarging or proposing
      enlarging <&>11:00</&> the welfare lists because if they start
      paying rentals to landlords well that makes a landlord a
      beneficiary doesn't it

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      absolutely yeah <{><[>true but so what's money by another name</[>

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      <[>and then then</[></{> they um er with er employing five
      dollars a day for dole people whoever employs them are a
      beneficiary

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      they're laying off people up in auckland from the parks and
      reserves and they'll get the kids to go and work there for five
      dollars

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      that's always been the the real threat but er <O>tut</O> <&>sighs</&>
      keep the faith maureen keep the faith

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      er we're the public in the end

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      we'll we'll decide how we live and despite the politicians and
      with any luck er that's the sort of power we can exercise in
      nineteen ninety three for <.>the</.> for the betterment of all
      of us

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      i know that sounds a bit cliched but by god it's the only hope
      <{><[>we've got</[>

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      <[>well <.>you</.></[></{> i would like you richard to try to
      question some of these young ones and a MAN of twenty four being
      on the youth rate

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      he's a MAN <{><[>not a youth</[>

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      <[>yeah that's true</[></{> that's true

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      maureen thanks for your call

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      okay <latch>

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      all the best

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      bye <&>11:50</&> <&>three minutes twenty five seconds
      advertisement break not transcribed</&> <&>15:14</&>

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      and this is wellington two z b one of the great marketing
      machines in town

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      the time at the moment er <drawls>eleven twenty</drawls> one and
      a half

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      coming up now pat on one

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      good morning pat

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      yes um this is nothing <.>l</.> like what's been on before but i
      was wondering <{1><[1>er <O>laughs</O></[1> if seen t v last
      night and the item about the food handling in various takeaway
      places <{2><[2>in christchurch</[2>

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      <[1>that's wonderful pat</[1></{1>

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      <[2>indeed particularly</[2></{2> in christchurch and er <.>th</.>
      as a consequence there's been something of a panic over listeria
      <{><[><?>rather</?></[>

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      <[><.>well</.></[></{> um i'm just wondering what on earth was
      the point of that item because first of all they were very vague
      about it

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      um the average man in the street's got <&>16:00</&> no way of
      knowing what the conditions are like at the back of the shop so
      all it will do is panic people

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      true <latch>

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      now in <?>this <.>e</.> <.>e</.> um</?> fragile economic time
      you've probably got a lot of small businesses trying to hang on
      and keep going and it just needs a bit of panic like that to put
      them out of business

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      well that's <.>the</.> that's the awful balance i suppose
      between er what's perceived to be news what's perceived to be er
      <.>th</.> the right of the public to know and <{><[>er what's
      the reality</[>

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      <[>but they don't know anything</[></{> but they're not being
      told anything <latch>

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      <.>yes</.> <latch>

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      they've just been <.>told</.> you see they're told one out of
      four is dangerous

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      well that means three out of four are all right

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      that's true <.>this</.> it comes as a consequence in fact of a
      report er a health department report done IN christchurch i
      think more than a fortnight ago so er <.>in</.> in a sense the
      news is a bit dated

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      er i'm not suggesting that <.>the</.> er the danger's not there
      but <.>it</.> it comes as <.>a</.> as a result er of the health
      department yesterday or the day before and katherine oregan er
      attempting to warn particularly er <&>17:00</&> expectant
      mothers that <.>the</.> the threat from listeria was um was
      something that they had to be cognisant <&>pronounced as
      cognisance</&> of <{><[>er</[>

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      <[>but</[></{> don't you think they should be either specific or
      say nothing

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      yes well i don't think you can say nothing but perhaps certainly
      more specific and i think er i can understand er the concern
      small shop holders and small <&>pronounced as shthall</&>
      retailers must er must now be going through presuming that <.>there</.>
      the public will be somewhat more wary about buying takeaway
      foods than was the case PREViously

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      er it could well damage business and <&>sighs</&> this is one of
      the terrible balancing acts that er people in news rooms and
      particularly editors are supposed to er are supposed to go
      through before they put these items to air

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      but you see i don't see how it helped the people in the street
      saying that <.>th</.> perHAPS this could be the case because the
      people have got no way of knowing so it's not doing any good
      whatsoever

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      no er i <.>d</.> well i think it brings it to the public's
      attention and it does seem that it's necessary that it be
      brought to the public's attention at this time but it perhaps
      could've been done a little more sensitively and a <&>18:00</&>
      little more responsibly

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      er I didn't see the item myself but er er certainly radio and
      the newspapers have been running pretty much the same stories er
      and <.>it</.> <.>it</.> occurred to me at the time that er <.>i'd</.>
      i'd hate to be <.>i</.> in <.>a</.> in a small er two man
      business attempting to put together party and er and takeaway
      foods er in an environment where people er er are panicked into
      believing that er virtually anything they took off the shelves
      could somehow damage their health

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      in fact it's been made quite clear by the health department AND
      by katherine oregan that er it's certainly er <.>l</.> listeria
      itself is not going to damage HEALTHY people and er will have
      only a very limited effect on those that might er be suffering
      from some sort of immune deficiency <latch>

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      but i thought they were two separate items

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      you see you would have had the listeria <.>thing</.> <latch>

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      yes but <.>one</.> one tended to <.>ta</.> er to sort of track
      the other as it were er

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      <.>i</.> <.>it</.> <O>voc</O> the focus went from listeria onto
      the handling of er <.>of</.> of foods in particularly
      christchurch where the report was a couple of weeks old

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      yes i just feel that <.>it</.> it's achieved no a <.>pur</.> no
      good purpose except scaremongering

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      i'll <.>ta</.> take your point and i think <.>we'll</.> we'll
      pass it on to the editors concerned <&>19:00</&> <{><[>and
      thanks pat

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      i think it's very valid point

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      all the best</[> <&>19:01</&>

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      <[><.>o</.> okay thank you good bye</[></{>
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