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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>4:35</&>
  

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      good evening rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0010:Z1>
      hi how are you

  <WSC#DGB027:0015:HC>
      rob you've had a bit of a <?>er</?> catastrophe today

  <WSC#DGB027:0020:Z1>
      i er yeah just a <.>minor</.> heck of a major one

  <WSC#DGB027:0025:HC>
      a major one

  <WSC#DGB027:0030:HC>
      what <.>te</.> tell us what's happened rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0035:Z1>
      oh well um my wife's and <O>voc</O> left today with three of my
      kiddies oh between yesterday and today

  <WSC#DGB027:0040:HC>
      had you seen the writing <.>on</.> were you expecting this

  <WSC#DGB027:0045:Z1>
      only for the last week

  <WSC#DGB027:0050:HC>
      mm <&>5:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0055:Z1>
      um <,> she er just decided

  <WSC#DGB027:0060:Z1>
      i sent her away for a <.>holi</.> oh sent her away <O>voc</O> oh
      gave her away sent her away for a holiday without the kids oh
      couple of weeks ago just to give her a break and er she came
      back and she was just wasn't herself from the time she got back

  <WSC#DGB027:0065:HC>
      and so how how does this leave you feeling tonight rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0070:Z1>
      oh a little bit shattered

  <WSC#DGB027:0075:HC>
      mm <.>h</.> how long have you been married twelve years

  <WSC#DGB027:0080:Z1>
      twelve years <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0085:HC>
      oh yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0090:Z1>
      eight months and six days

  <WSC#DGB027:0095:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0100:Z1>
      <&>sighs</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0105:HC>
      that's a good part of your life

  <WSC#DGB027:0110:Z1>
      er yeah a fair sized chunk of it

  <WSC#DGB027:0115:HC>
      mm <,,> and there was no there was no er you didn't have a
      sensing er er that that something was sort of that as we're
      saying the dream was dying <?>you know sort of</?>

  <WSC#DGB027:0120:Z1>
      um <O>exhales</O> not no not in a sense um

  <WSC#DGB027:0125:Z1>
      my wife <&>6:00</&> er <,> <?>well she'd felt sort of</?> over
      the last five years she's never loved me but er

  <WSC#DGB027:0130:HC>
      what what did you say when when she comes out with something
      like that

  <WSC#DGB027:0135:HC>
      that's a pretty heavy thing to say to you robert

  <WSC#DGB027:0140:HC>
      how did you respond to that

  <WSC#DGB027:0145:Z1>
      <drawls>er</drawls> i just about fell over er

  <WSC#DGB027:0150:Z1>
      well no i knew in a roundabout way i was more of a <,> father
      brother than a husband

  <WSC#DGB027:0155:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0160:Z1>
      um

  <WSC#DGB027:0165:HC>
      did you ask her what she wanted from you

  <WSC#DGB027:0170:Z1>
      <O>inhales</O> <sighs>yeah</sighs> er what she wanted was <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0175:Z1>
      like we've never been terribly rich but we own our own house and
      things like that and she wanted to be able to go out more um
      spend more time with other people and <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O> <.>tha</.>
      you know going out was a bit of a problem

  <WSC#DGB027:0180:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0185:Z1>
      um we had to to get a babysitter and then the <&>7:00</&> cost
      of a night out and i guess i'm sort of a dull sort of <laughs>fellow</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB027:0190:HC>
      <.>you</.> you're a stay at home boy

  <WSC#DGB027:0195:Z1>
      well no i like to go out too but i like to be able to afford to
      <laughs>go out</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB027:0200:HC>
      yes not worrying about how you're gonna pay for this dinner

  <WSC#DGB027:0205:Z1>
      <?>i'm well</?> <{><[>taking money away</[> from a bill

  <WSC#DGB027:0210:HC>
      <[>but it it it is it</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0215:HC>
      is is that what it takes to make a dream die

  <WSC#DGB027:0220:Z1>
      no i don't think it was that

  <WSC#DGB027:0225:Z1>
      i just think er <O>inhales</O> sadly i don't think anybody'll be
      able to satisfy the needs she's got

  <WSC#DGB027:0230:Z1>
      i think <{><[>she needs</[> to find where she's going and

  <WSC#DGB027:0235:HC>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0240:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0245:Z1>
      er sadly a lot of people are getting hurt in the process

  <WSC#DGB027:0250:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0255:HC>
      it seems to me rob that sometimes we meet people who have a deep
      hole in their hearts and and they expect others to fill that
      hole

  <WSC#DGB027:0260:Z1>
      well yeah um ever since she's what fourteen fifteen she's moved
      in with her older sister <&>8:00</&> then she moved in with her
      mother

  <WSC#DGB027:0265:Z1>
      lived with her mother then she er met me <&>exhales and laughs</&>
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0270:HC>
      mm where was her dad

  <WSC#DGB027:0275:Z1>
      er she's lived with him up till she was fourteen

  <WSC#DGB027:0280:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0285:Z1>
      so er she's always had somebody there

  <WSC#DGB027:0290:HC>
      rob do you have a sense of failure today that that somehow
      you've failed

  <WSC#DGB027:0295:Z1>
      um <,,><&>3</&> <O>voc</O> <drawls><.>sometime</.></drawls> yeah
      er it was sort of a what more could i do <laughs>er</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB027:0300:Z1>
      <{><[>um</[> <,> there's not nothing that she actually wanted
      for

  <WSC#DGB027:0305:Z1>
      she didn't go without food or a car or

  <WSC#DGB027:0310:HC>
      <[>yes</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0315:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0320:Z1>
      friends or er anything that she wanted to do that she <{1><[1>could
      do</[1> within <{2><[2>reason</[2>

  <WSC#DGB027:0325:HC>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB027:0330:HC>
      <[2>okay</[2></{2> that that's looking at at <.>nee</.> at a
      person's needs on one level

  <WSC#DGB027:0335:HC>
      but but for a woman as you'll know i mean <.>at</.> <.>at</.>
      attending to her emotional needs is absolutely vital and crucial

  <WSC#DGB027:0340:HC>
      <?>mind you also</?> for a woman than a man <&>9:00</&> <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0345:Z1>
      yeah um her emotional needs

  <WSC#DGB027:0350:Z1>
      she needed somebody there for support rather than to er be
      anything else

  <WSC#DGB027:0355:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0360:Z1>
      um she just needed a best buddy <O>inhales</O>

  <WSC#DGB027:0365:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0370:HC>
      rob <{><[><?><.>wh</.></?></[>

  <WSC#DGB027:0375:Z1>
      <[>and</[></{> i think i fell into that trap

  <WSC#DGB027:0380:HC>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB027:0385:HC>
      was it a trap was it

  <WSC#DGB027:0390:Z1>
      well er it feels like a trap <laughs>now</laughs> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0395:HC>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0400:Z1>
      but er i don't think either of us recognised that need early on

  <WSC#DGB027:0405:HC>
      mhm

  <WSC#DGB027:0410:Z1>
      but er now it's become it's become more and more apparent

  <WSC#DGB027:0415:HC>
      it's clear that's a bit what janet was saying

  <WSC#DGB027:0420:HC>
      it's it you know oh the value of hindsight rob <,,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0425:Z1>
      mm <&>sighs</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0430:HC>
      rob what are your plans

  <WSC#DGB027:0435:HC>
      what what is there for you now in in the immediate future

  <WSC#DGB027:0440:Z1>
      well i've got one son to look after

  <WSC#DGB027:0445:HC>
      yes <&>10:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0450:Z1>
      um <,,><&>3</&> <O>tut</O> i don't know i was pretty angry um
      angry <{><[>hurt</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:0455:HC>
      <[>of course</[></{> yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0460:Z1>
      er i still am um <O>voc</O>

  <WSC#DGB027:0465:Z1>
      i mean <,> oh i don't know what my plans are at the present

  <WSC#DGB027:0470:HC>
      no that's understandable rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0475:HC>
      it it's almost like well you know twelve years

  <WSC#DGB027:0480:HC>
      <.>what</.> <.>it's</.> what you know where where what what what
      was it all for

  <WSC#DGB027:0485:HC>
      what was the point of it all

  <WSC#DGB027:0490:HC>
      is it a bit like that

  <WSC#DGB027:0495:Z1>
      yeah really <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0500:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0505:Z1>
      um starting again's going to be hard

  <WSC#DGB027:0510:HC>
      yes yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0515:HC>
      rob er i can understand that it is important for you to be angry
      and hurt because as soon as we lose something we we immediately
      go into a grief process

  <WSC#DGB027:0520:HC>
      <O>tut</O> i'd like to say something to you though rob and it is
      this that i don't think <slowly>failure makes you unloveable</slowly>
      <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0525:HC>
      whatever your failures i think you always have a right to
      people's love

  <WSC#DGB027:0530:HC>
      you still deserve that <&>11:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0535:Z1>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0540:HC>
      would you like to carry on this conversation with a counsellor
      rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0545:Z1>
      er

  <WSC#DGB027:0550:HC>
      just reflect a little on your anger and what you're gonna do
      about it and so that you don't carry it around unnecessarily

  <WSC#DGB027:0555:Z1>
      yeah it got a bit drastic i sort of er loaded up the rifle there
      today so <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0560:HC>
      that's anger

  <WSC#DGB027:0565:Z1>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0570:HC>
      it might be a good idea for you to keep talking rob

  <WSC#DGB027:0575:Z1>
      mm yeah

  <WSC#DGB027:0580:HC>
      will you do that

  <WSC#DGB027:0585:Z1>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB027:0590:HC>
      all right

  <WSC#DGB027:0595:HC>
      because it's er if if you want to <O>clears throat</O> not get
      stuck in this grief but move on then it'll be really important
      for you to face the feelings the anger

  <WSC#DGB027:0600:HC>
      particularly the anger and the hurt that you mention er and
      attend to those so that you can leave them behind and move on

  <WSC#DGB027:0605:Z1>
      <O>tut</O> <O>inhales</O> okay

  <WSC#DGB027:0610:HC>
      rob i appreciate you calling in in such a tense day <?>in</?>
      such <?>an</?> unpleasant day

  <WSC#DGB027:0615:HC>
      would you hold hold your phone and we'll <{><[>transfer</[> your
      call and thank you for being with us <&>12:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0620:Z1>
      <[>sure</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0625:Z1>
      thank you

  <WSC#DGB027:0630:HC>
      okay it's er twenty nine minutes after nine oclock and if you'd
      like to phone us when the dream dies give us call auckland three
      oh seven one oh eight oh <&>12:11</&> <&>Advertisements and HC
      monologue not transcribed</&> <&>16:28</&>

  <WSC#DGB027:0635:HC>
      good evening bill

  <WSC#DGB027:0640:Z2>
      good evening clive

  <WSC#DGB027:0645:HC>
      you were married <{><[>one day <.>sh</.> <.>short</.> of</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:0650:Z2>
      <[>er one day short of</[></{> twenty one years <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0655:HC>
      twenty one years <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0660:HC>
      it all finished in june

  <WSC#DGB027:0665:Z2>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0670:HC>
      what went wrong bill

  <WSC#DGB027:0675:Z2>
      um well basically most of the problems were my problems <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0680:Z2>
      um i can't go into the problems on air

  <WSC#DGB027:0685:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0690:Z2>
      but er suffice to say that um from something <&>17:00</&> like
      about er er twelve months after we were married er i caused
      various problems and um these problems kept on cropping up at
      various stages in my life up till about ten years ago

  <WSC#DGB027:0695:HC>
      so for about twenty years bill you actually didn't try and
      resolve these problems that you're talking about

  <WSC#DGB027:0700:Z2>
      oh yes i i tried in my own particular way to resolve these
      problems

  <WSC#DGB027:0705:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0710:Z2>
      um but unfortunately i was <.>n</.> <,> not er in a situation
      where i could place the necessary concentrations on what i was
      supposed to be doing to solve these problems because er i was er
      working very very hard and er trying to er earn money er

  <WSC#DGB027:0715:Z2>
      i was travelling

  <WSC#DGB027:0720:Z2>
      i was spending a lot of time away from home

  <WSC#DGB027:0725:Z2>
      um i was trying to <&>18:00</&> er build a home life and er i
      was also er trying to um assist with bringing up er two boys

  <WSC#DGB027:0730:Z2>
      and as a direct result er the problems that er i was causing

  <WSC#DGB027:0735:Z2>
      most of which i was aware of but didn't realise that they were
      problems er primarily because my wife appeared at the time to be
      an equal part and an equal party to the problems and it wasn't
      really until about ten years ago that i realised that she wasn't
      um as er forthcoming towards the problems as what i had expected

  <WSC#DGB027:0740:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0745:Z1>
      and i literally said to myself okay you've got to stop and i did
      <,> <{><[>er</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:0750:HC>
      <[>stop</[></{> stop what bill

  <WSC#DGB027:0755:Z2>
      er well as i said i i can't go into the details but er the
      particular problems that we had um i <&>19:00</&> said to myself
      ten years ago this has got to stop because if it doesn't stop
      i'm going to lose my wife i'm going to lose everything i have

  <WSC#DGB027:0760:HC>
      it it seems to me bill it gets to the point where you really
      have to answer one specific question which is what am i prepared
      to do to keep my marriage alive

  <WSC#DGB027:0765:Z2>
      and that's exactly what i did <,>

  <WSC#DGB027:0770:Z2>
      er there there was there didn't appear to be any problems as far
      as the marriage was concerned at that particular stage but i
      decided that er the particular problems that i was causing had
      to stop and they did stop

  <WSC#DGB027:0775:Z2>
      um unfortunately in december of last year something which had
      happened er some er twenty one and a half years earlier came to
      the fore and i chose the option

  <WSC#DGB027:0780:Z2>
      i had two options i could have said nothing to my wife or the
      other option was i could have <&>20:00</&> made a statement to
      my wife about what had happened

  <WSC#DGB027:0785:Z2>
      i chose the second option which in hindsight now proved to be
      the absolute wrong option

  <WSC#DGB027:0790:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:0795:Z2>
      because er by telling her what i had to tell her in december er
      she stewed and stewed and stewed and stewed on it er which
      finally culminated in er me being ordered out of the matrimonial
      house er in june of this year

  <WSC#DGB027:0800:HC>
      it scares me when someone tells me that their partner stewed
      because my interpretation of stewing is that you don't have a
      good working level of communication between the two of you
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0805:Z2>
      well i always thought we've had

  <WSC#DGB027:0810:HC>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0815:Z1>
      until this particular incident came along

  <WSC#DGB027:0820:Z1>
      and er it wasn't until um early june um where our total
      relationship seemed to have been disappearing down the tube

  <WSC#DGB027:0825:HC>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0830:Z2>
      we'd always had a very very good and i <&>21:00</&> thought
      close relationship in every respect including the sexual
      relationship and er unfortunately um our that side of things had
      er diminished very drastically <{><[>within</[> the last month
      prior to er my being ordered out of the home

  <WSC#DGB027:0835:HC>
      <[><?>mm</?></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0840:HC>
      so there were certainly signs there bill that things were
      starting to fall apart

  <WSC#DGB027:0845:Z2>
      yes <{1><[1>and</[1> i didn't know what the cause was <{2><[2>er</[2>

  <WSC#DGB027:0850:HC>
      <[1><?>er</?></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB027:0855:HC>
      <[2>did</[2></{2> you did you seek outside help because it's er

  <WSC#DGB027:0860:HC>
      i don't know if you remember the er saturday evening post many
      years ago

  <WSC#DGB027:0865:HC>
      that dates me doesn't it

  <WSC#DGB027:0870:HC>
      <{1><[1><.>in</.> er</[1> in that <{2><[2>they had</[2> <laughs>yeah</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB027:0875:HC>
      they had a um er a little er er regular column called <title>can
      this marriage be saved</title>

  <WSC#DGB027:0880:HC>
      do you remember that <,> <{3><[3><?>at</?></[3>

  <WSC#DGB027:0885:Z2>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB027:0890:Z2>
      <[2>i remember it</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB027:0895:Z2>
      <[3>vaguely</[3></{3>

  <WSC#DGB027:0900:HC>
      yeah it it would give er er a scenario of a of a marriage that
      was <.>re</.> really struggling <&>pronounced strugging</&> er
      struggling and then suggestions of what could be done

  <WSC#DGB027:0905:HC>
      in my experience over several decades now bill <.>it</.>
      <&>22:00</&> most couples tend to leave it extremely late in the
      piece before they seek outside help

  <WSC#DGB027:0910:Z2>
      yes i never sought outside help um because er it the whole thing
      er blew up one evening um

  <WSC#DGB027:0915:Z2>
      i er <O>voc</O> bounced out of bed er

  <WSC#DGB027:0920:Z2>
      made a er a an a very angry comment to my wife which it was
      totally misinterpreted in what i said

  <WSC#DGB027:0925:HC>
      yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:0930:Z2>
      and i left the house

  <WSC#DGB027:0935:Z2>
      i came back about three quarters of an hour later er just to
      arrive in as the er local minister arrived um

  <WSC#DGB027:0940:Z2>
      the three of us sat down at the dining table and discussed
      things for about three quarters of an hour and er all my wife
      could say in the early stages was that the marriage was over

  <WSC#DGB027:0945:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:0950:Z2>
      um we were together for about four more days <&>23:00</&> before
      then i came home from work one night

  <WSC#DGB027:0955:Z2>
      um i thought at the time that something was a little funny
      because er she'd sort of rushed through tea rushed through
      getting the dishes done which was not normal

  <WSC#DGB027:0960:Z2>
      and er i sat down to do some work at the computer for a customer
      and er next thing there was a knock at the door the minister
      arrived

  <WSC#DGB027:0965:Z2>
      er my wife <O>voc</O> ushered the minister into the er er
      sitting room and er informed me that he was there as a witness
      er for me to leave the house before <{><[>bedtime</[> that night

  <WSC#DGB027:0970:HC>
      <[>goodness</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:0975:HC>
      so it was <?>it'd</?> been set up

  <WSC#DGB027:0980:HC>
      er bill would you like to carry on with this to er someone off
      air

  <WSC#DGB027:0985:Z2>
      er well we are currently under under counselling

  <WSC#DGB027:0990:HC>
      oh good <{><[>okay</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:0995:Z2>
      <[>um</[></{> i have been under counselling um the

  <WSC#DGB027:1000:Z2>
      er what i would like to actually say on air er clive is that er
      i have since er since all this brewed up i've been to er a
      <&>24:00</&> hypnoregressive therapist who has er taken me right
      back to my childhood

  <WSC#DGB027:1005:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1010:Z2>
      and er has found er two major incidences in my childhood that
      could have been direct triggers

  <WSC#DGB027:1015:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1020:Z2>
      towards er half the problems that occurred

  <WSC#DGB027:1025:Z2>
      one of those was a er my being er indecently assaulted in the
      toilet when i was around about eight

  <WSC#DGB027:1030:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:1035:Z2>
      which i had totally just pushed into the back of my mind and
      blocked out

  <WSC#DGB027:1040:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1045:Z2>
      and another one was er me having been er interfered with by my
      sister and her husband um in conjunction with er their two
      daughters

  <WSC#DGB027:1050:HC>
      <O>tut</O> bill the effects of incidents like those are lifelong

  <WSC#DGB027:1055:Z2>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1060:HC>
      yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:1065:Z2>
      unfortunately my wife has not accepted that

  <WSC#DGB027:1070:Z2>
      we went to joint counselling er four weeks ago i went there with
      extremely high hopes and that was absolutely shattered within
      <&>25:00</&> one minute of us sitting down

  <WSC#DGB027:1075:Z2>
      my wife's immediate attitude was i don't want anything more to
      do with him i am not having anything to do with him whatsoever

  <WSC#DGB027:1080:HC>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB027:1085:Z2>
      <drawls>er</drawls> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB027:1090:HC>
      that's a very frightened thing to say isn't it

  <WSC#DGB027:1095:Z2>
      that's right um because basically as far as i'm concerned at the
      moment i have lost everything

  <WSC#DGB027:1100:Z2>
      <{1><[1>i've lost</[1> my home i've lost two children that i
      love very very much

  <WSC#DGB027:1105:Z2>
      i've lost a wife that i love very much and i've lost my
      selfrespect i've lost my selfesteem i've lost everything

  <WSC#DGB027:1110:Z2>
      we go back <{2><[2>to joint</[2>

  <WSC#DGB027:1115:HC>
      <[1><softly>yes</softly></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB027:1120:HC>
      <[2>bill bill</[2></{2> you're not gonna cope with this alone

  <WSC#DGB027:1125:HC>
      you CANnot cope with this alone are you getting significant
      emotional and real <.>m</.> management support from this
      counsellor that you're seeing

  <WSC#DGB027:1130:HC>
      are you getting what you need right now

  <WSC#DGB027:1135:Z2>
      <.>y</.> yes i've actually <{1><[1>spoken to this counsellor</[1>
      again last week as we go back for a second session <{2><[2>which
      may</[2> well be the last session on tuesday of this coming week

  <WSC#DGB027:1140:HC>
      <[1><softly>yes you have</softly></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB027:1145:HC>
      <[2>okay</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB027:1150:HC>
      right

  <WSC#DGB027:1155:Z2>
      and er as a direct result um i am going into <&>26:00</&> this
      counselling session with absolute total negative

  <WSC#DGB027:1160:Z2>
      i went in with <.>pos</.> very positive hopes last time and er i
      don't see any reason now to go into this one with anything other
      than absolutely negative responses although the counsellor has
      suggested to me that er to wait and see what my wife's attitude
      is at this particular session

  <WSC#DGB027:1165:Z2>
      but um part of the problems that i have caused are directly
      resulted in er me turning <.>down</.> er or having handed in two
      years ago an excellent job with er salary with superannuation
      schemes company car and everything to go into business for
      myself and that's where part of our problems have started from
      because of a continual er declining income

  <WSC#DGB027:1170:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1175:Z2>
      um the pressures associated with that and then <&>27:00</&> this
      er particular incident that i chose to tell my wife er back in
      december and er that has literally <{><[>destroyed the</[> two
      of us

  <WSC#DGB027:1180:HC>
      <[>well yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB027:1185:HC>
      it really frightened her didn't it bill

  <WSC#DGB027:1190:Z2>
      yes <{><[>um</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:1195:HC>
      <[>yeah</[></{> you must <.>re</.> really regret saying that

  <WSC#DGB027:1200:Z2>
      i do

  <WSC#DGB027:1205:Z2>
      i i totally regret if i could turn the clock back and shut my
      mouth i would do so

  <WSC#DGB027:1210:HC>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB027:1215:Z2>
      um <{><[>it</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:1220:HC>
      <[>and</[></{> and yet bill i absolutely believe in in the
      scriptural sentence the truth WILL set you free

  <WSC#DGB027:1225:HC>
      i absolutely believe in that

  <WSC#DGB027:1230:Z2>
      i do too clive i've er i i'm er a christian person

  <WSC#DGB027:1235:Z2>
      i pray every night i pray that my wife and i and my family can
      get back together again

  <WSC#DGB027:1240:Z2>
      that i will be given the opportunity to er <O>voc</O> rectify
      some of the problems that i have caused with my wife and family
      and i ask god every night for that opportunity to do so

  <WSC#DGB027:1245:Z2>
      er whether my wife will give me that opportunity <&>28:00</&>
      only time will tell

  <WSC#DGB027:1250:Z2>
      she knows my feelings

  <WSC#DGB027:1255:HC>
      bill thank you

  <WSC#DGB027:1260:HC>
      thank you for having the courage to call please be assured of my
      prayer for you

  <WSC#DGB027:1265:Z2>
      thank you clive <{><[>good night and god bless</[>

  <WSC#DGB027:1270:HC>
      <[><.>g</.> god bless you</[></{> take care good night
      <&>28:13</&>
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