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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>10:34</&>
  

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      evening cliff

  <WSC#DGB035:0010:Z1>
      yeah hi <,> mike

  <WSC#DGB035:0015:HM>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB035:0020:Z1>
      how are you

  <WSC#DGB035:0025:HM>
      well

  <WSC#DGB035:0030:Z1>
      yeah i've got about three or four little things i want to talk
      about

  <WSC#DGB035:0035:Z1>
      look i really admire <,> gilbert <,> and hamish <,> for doing
      what they've done

  <WSC#DGB035:0040:HM>
      mm

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      and i just hope that everyone in the country that wants to write
      to them writes to them and joins their party <,> um <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0050:HM>
      well only if it's a decent party worth joining

  <WSC#DGB035:0055:Z1>
      well yeah i i agree with you there mike um

  <WSC#DGB035:0060:Z1>
      i just hope they come up with some of the ideas that i listened
      to that lady about ten minutes ago talking about because i
      believe <,> that there's a lot of <&>11:00</&> people in this
      country that have got a lot of ideas that could put a government
      together that would clean up both the <,> labour and national
      parties

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      we'd never see them again <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0070:HM>
      <O>laughs</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0075:Z1>
      um <{><[>you know <.>i</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0080:HM>
      <[>that's</[></{> optimistic

  <WSC#DGB035:0085:Z1>
      i was talking to er your ex <,> um that was <,> on a few months
      ago there

  <WSC#DGB035:0090:HM>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0095:Z1>
      and i was actually talking about <{><[>um</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0100:HM>
      <[>thought</[></{> you were talking about one of my old
      girlfriends there

  <WSC#DGB035:0105:HM>
      i thought christ <{><[>my <,> past is coming back</[> to haunt
      me there for a minute <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0110:Z1>
      <[>oh no no not your girlfriends</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0115:Z1>
      no not your girlfriend <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB035:0120:Z1>
      no <.>i</.> i was talking to him about independent m ps <,> and
      i believe what we have GOT to get independent m ps into our
      system and running the country

  <WSC#DGB035:0125:HM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB035:0130:Z1>
      um i i just cannot see any other way <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0135:Z1>
      i DON'T believe in party politics

  <WSC#DGB035:0140:Z1>
      i never have and i never will

  <WSC#DGB035:0145:HM>
      i don't believe that independent m ps would run the country

  <WSC#DGB035:0150:HM>
      they would destroy it by arguing all day

  <WSC#DGB035:0155:Z1>
      no no no it's it's it's a fifty fifty it's a it's a vote isn't
      it <,,> same as any <.>g</.> any board of directors any any <,>
      sports club <{><[>anything <?>that's run by a committee</?></[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0160:HM>
      <[>oh i see what you're saying</[></{> yep yep yep fair <{><[>enough</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0165:Z1>
      <[>yep</[></{> you have a fifty fifty vote and if seventy
      percent want it that's it that's the law <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0170:HM>
      who's prime minister <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0175:Z1>
      um <.>he</.> you can select him from amongst them

  <WSC#DGB035:0180:HM>
      just an individual?

  <WSC#DGB035:0185:Z1>
      as an individual <{><[>from</[> amongst those people

  <WSC#DGB035:0190:Z1>
      he can be voted on on even on a new zealand <&>12:00</&> wide
      basis

  <WSC#DGB035:0195:HM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0200:HM>
      yes <.>indeed</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0205:Z1>
      same as they do with the mayors today

  <WSC#DGB035:0210:HM>
      but you got to have a bit of a cohesive policy as far as the
      direction you want to take the country in though don't you?

  <WSC#DGB035:0215:Z1>
      well <.>y</.> you know <.>y</.> you could you could establish
      that between you mike

  <WSC#DGB035:0220:Z1>
      now <,> you know <.>i</.> i wrote down right from the word go
      here i've got to go through a list or otherwise i'm going to
      screw up what i'm saying <,> um

  <WSC#DGB035:0225:Z1>
      <.>you</.> <.>you</.> you mentioned a <.>wh</.> a while ago mike
      and you hit the nail on the head about the government for three
      years you know this is what i'm saying

  <WSC#DGB035:0230:Z1>
      it's a diSAster <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0235:Z1>
      they come up with this party politics

  <WSC#DGB035:0240:Z1>
      they come up with a heap of GARbage <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0245:Z1>
      there's NO longterm planning <,> um

  <WSC#DGB035:0250:Z1>
      <.>th</.> the system just destroys itself with the with the next
      damned <,> party at the next election <,> <.>o</.> making
      promises that they can't <,> you know <,> keep and control <,>
      um

  <WSC#DGB035:0255:Z1>
      <.>it</.> it's just it's just a major RACket going on

  <WSC#DGB035:0260:HM>
      so how long should we have it

  <WSC#DGB035:0265:Z1>
      well <,> you know <.>i</.> i read an article in the paper about
      oh must be about <,> couple of years ago um

  <WSC#DGB035:0270:Z1>
      one of the political scientists had written it <,> and it was
      actually ON independent m ps <,> <.>an</.> and it was <.>i</.>
      <.>i</.> <.>i</.> i was just <.>a</.> astounded with it

  <WSC#DGB035:0275:Z1>
      it was BRILLIANT <,> um

  <WSC#DGB035:0280:Z1>
      it came up and <.>i</.> <.>i</.> it stated how <&>13:00</&> this
      thing should go <.>an</.> and it put a lot more thought than
      what i'd ever put into it <,> cos i've always believed in
      independent m ps <,> um and <,> he actually <.>s</.> gave <.>a</.>
      a guy you know like a guy comes out with a manifesto <,,> right?
      or or his ideas and beliefs

  <WSC#DGB035:0285:HM>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB035:0290:Z1>
      there <.>mi</.> <.>l</.> like i'm in tauranga right? <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0295:Z1>
      there might be twenty guys in tauranga that <.>s</.> want to
      stand for <,> the local <.>say</.> <,> say ten guys want to
      stand for the tauranga electorate for the kaimai electorate <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0300:Z1>
      those guys come up with their ideas beliefs

  <WSC#DGB035:0305:Z1>
      they put them on paper <,,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0310:Z1>
      now those things are sealed on paper and they're opened <,> <.>with</.>
      in with their registration right and they're opened on a given
      day <,> so no one else can steal their ideas and come up with
      any other ideas <,> because those guys have already written them
      down and they're there and opened on the same day at the same
      time <,,> and then the people can go through those ideas with
      those <.>indepe</.> independent guys as they're interviewed
      right? <,> and the people are then going to vote for the guys
      that they believe are going to do the best for them <,> and
      those guys have written down what they believe and therefore
      they're going to have to stick to what they're saying <,> or get
      a bullet between the eyes <,> and i mean get fired out of their
      job

  <WSC#DGB035:0315:HM>
      right

  <WSC#DGB035:0320:Z1>
      now <,> at that stage this this this is where this <&>14:00</&>
      guy came in and he said that if a guy got in as as an
      independent m p right? <,> you don't have a time on him <,,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0325:Z1>
      there was no elections every three years <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0330:Z1>
      that was eliminated <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0335:Z1>
      if that guy was a good m p in tauranga he might last <,> for ten
      years

  <WSC#DGB035:0340:Z1>
      he might last for twenty years <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0345:Z1>
      if he was a BUM he might last for six months and get booted out
      <,> and then they have another election and they get a guy in
      there that's going to do the job and he stays there <,> um and
      <.>a</.> and <.>a</.> and for me it's it's the only way the
      country would ever run and be efficiently run <,> um <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0350:Z1>
      you know that that that lady said about you know two back here
      <,> you know what she said <.>i</.> i <.>j</.> i just loved what
      she was saying <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0355:Z1>
      i just loved her as a speaker

  <WSC#DGB035:0360:Z1>
      she was brilliant

  <WSC#DGB035:0365:HM>
      the canadian woman

  <WSC#DGB035:0370:Z1>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB035:0375:HM>
      you know see i'm trying to mount a bit of an argument against it
      but i can't really think of one that well <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0380:HM>
      the only problem i would have with that is you would er have a
      tendency to get a few buffoons in there <,> buffoons that can er
      sucker the public

  <WSC#DGB035:0385:Z1>
      yeah <.>bu</.> <.>i</.> <.>i</.> if they if they're not doing
      their job mike it's <.>it</.> <.>it</.> it's going to come out
      in a very quick <,> thing i think

  <WSC#DGB035:0390:HM>
      mm <{><[><.>y</.> yeah</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0395:Z1>
      <[>you know you're</[></{> you're getting a <,> a lot of guys
      you know like <,> these guys crossing the floor <&>15:00</&> in
      parliament at the moment they've got a lot of GUTS and i tell
      you what i'd be doing the same thing down there <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0400:Z1>
      you know <.>there</.> there's too many guys that <?>needle</?>
      along and <.>ju</.> just <,> suck into <,> the upstairs um
      department to keep their jobs and and and keep the peace and
      every other darn thing eh? <.>an</.> and <.>i</.> i'm afraid i
      just don't believe in that

  <WSC#DGB035:0405:HM>
      er i don't either

  <WSC#DGB035:0410:HM>
      party politics in this country is bad <{><[>bad news</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0415:Z1>
      <[>oh it it</[></{> it's just crazy <{><[>crazy</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0420:HM>
      <[>the fact</[></{> that labour has got a law that says you
      can't vote against your party is <.>absurd</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0425:Z1>
      yeah well you know <{><[>that that to me</[> is is it's not
      party it's it's <,> what the hell would you call it's

  <WSC#DGB035:0430:Z1>
      it's it's communism

  <WSC#DGB035:0435:Z1>
      it's dictatorship <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0440:HM>
      <[>that's not democracy</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0445:HM>
      yes

  <WSC#DGB035:0450:Z1>
      i don't wouldn't call it communism because the TRUE system of
      communism is the way maoris live in new zealand <,> the old
      maori <,> way of living where they shared

  <WSC#DGB035:0455:HM>
      pure communism is an excellent thing because <{><[>everyone's</[>
      equal <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0460:Z1>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0465:Z1>
      yeah <{><[>that's it</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0470:HM>
      <[>and noone's got</[></{> any complaints <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0475:Z1>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB035:0480:HM>
      but er the problem is that it never works as <{><[>we well know</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0485:Z1>
      <[><.>y</.> yeah i referred</[></{> that as communism as it was
      overseas where there was dictatorship and you do this and you do
      that

  <WSC#DGB035:0490:HM>
      we were talking about that in the office today

  <WSC#DGB035:0495:HM>
      someone suggested a good dictator might be the answer for this
      country and i couldn't <.>a</.> actually disagree with them
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0500:Z1>
      <O>laughs</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0505:HM>
      just be a problem of trying to find the RIGHT person
      <&>16:00</&> and er we <.>a</.> we all agreed at the end of the
      day that er power corrupts and they'd become corrupt very
      quickly so we'd need to get rid of them

  <WSC#DGB035:0510:Z1>
      <.>tha</.> that would be the problem i would say <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0515:HM>
      yes indeed it would but <{><[>er</[> i don't know why we need
      ninety seven of them

  <WSC#DGB035:0520:HM>
      the electorates don't get represented overly well in this er
      system of ours

  <WSC#DGB035:0525:HM>
      i mean that's changed a LITTLE bit after the latest election and
      people like laws er go on endlessly about how they're into their
      electorate and all that and maybe he is and terrific for him but
      <,> it's er you know it's er it's a bit of a mockery isn't it

  <WSC#DGB035:0530:Z1>
      <[>yes</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0535:Z1>
      yeah <{><[>yeah</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0540:HM>
      <[>it's <.>all</.></[></{> it's all high level

  <WSC#DGB035:0545:HM>
      it's all bolger shipley richardson

  <WSC#DGB035:0550:HM>
      those are the people that run this country

  <WSC#DGB035:0555:HM>
      the backbenchers don't run this country

  <WSC#DGB035:0560:HM>
      <{><[>never have never</[> well <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0565:Z1>
      <[>no the poor guys don't</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0570:Z1>
      they don't get a say in <.>mike</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0575:HM>
      no <{><[>it's a joke</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0580:Z1>
      <[>and and</[></{> as m ps they should be <,> as <.>indepe</.>
      <.>y</.> yeah on an electorate they should be saying what that
      electorate wants

  <WSC#DGB035:0585:HM>
      well <{><[>as individuals</[> they would er count then wouldn't
      they <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0590:Z1>
      <[><?>you know</?></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0595:Z1>
      yeah <{><[>yeah</[>

  <WSC#DGB035:0600:HM>
      <[>a lot</[></{> more than they do now <latch>

  <WSC#DGB035:0605:Z1>
      you know and <.>th</.> this is <drawls>where</drawls> you know
      in in <.>a</.> in <.>a</.> in a given subject <,> um i actually
      work for an insurance company okay? <{><[><.>an</.> and</[> the
      mess that i see out there when i'm visiting people just
      MINDboggles me

  <WSC#DGB035:0610:Z1>
      i talked to a lady this afternoon <?>oh sorry this</?> morning
      and a <&>17:00</&> bit of this afternoon in tauranga <,> and i
      actually went through and did a budget for her <,> you know and
      <.>i</.> <.>i</.> i couldn't go to sell her anything when i
      looked at what she was in i <.>didn't</.> i wouldn't even <,>
      <.>s</.> sell her a product <?>that was gonna cost her</?>
      seventeen dollars a month <,> right <,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0615:Z1>
      she couldn't afford it <,,>

  <WSC#DGB035:0620:Z1>
      now <.>i</.> i read an article in the paper here a couple of
      weeks ago about a um solo mum <,> and i actually rang up the
      poor old um <,> um bay times lady and <.>i</.> i sort of blew
      the socks off her a bit <,> because the lady had a car <,,> um
      and it was costing her around about sixty to seventy dollars a
      week i estimated for her to run that car

  <WSC#DGB035:0625:Z1>
      now the lady i talked to today had a car

  <WSC#DGB035:0630:HM>
      <[><?>mm</?></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB035:0635:HM>
      yeah <&>17:30</&>
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