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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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  <&>17:30</&>
  

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      she owned the car <,>

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      she was probably putting ten <?>oh</?> i think it was ten
      dollars a week in petrol into it <,> and you know just the minor
      repairs she had on it <,> but you know she was in a situation
      where she had <,> actually about a THOUsand dollars worth of
      bills <,> right? which she'd got herself in car <.>b</.> one was
      a rate <,> and a few car repairs and some shoes she'd bought for
      the children <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0015:Z1>
      now it was gonna take her <,> nearly fifteen sixteen months to
      pay that off alone <,> mike without having any other problems
      occur

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      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0025:Z1>
      and this was just <.>her</.> paying her basic rates <&>18:00</&>
      <,> paying her basic house insurance <,> which wasn't with me by
      the way so i hadn't sold her that <,> and her CAR insurance <,>
      and her power and her telephone

  <WSC#DGB036:0030:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0035:Z1>
      now she <.>had</.> the children had asthma so she <,> needed a
      car to get to the doctor

  <WSC#DGB036:0040:Z1>
      i'd admit there's no bus service out where she was <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0045:Z1>
      you know that was that was a case that i saw that was you know a
      borderline job and and she has had her benefit cut down <,> one
      lot of fifty

  <WSC#DGB036:0050:Z1>
      i think she was coming up to the second lot of <?>fifty</?> <,>
      you know <.>an</.> and there there's just SO many people out
      there like it hurting <,> you know <,> REALLY hurting <,> um <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0055:Z1>
      mike can i just say something else you know

  <WSC#DGB036:0060:Z1>
      <.>i</.> <.>i</.> i just get aSTOUNDed REAlly astounded with the
      amount of JUNK that we're importing into new zealand <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0065:Z1>
      you know <.>we</.> we've and <,> we're importing UNTOLD <,> you
      know you name it we're importing it

  <WSC#DGB036:0070:HM>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB036:0075:Z1>
      and i just cannot see the LOGIC <,> in doing what we're doing

  <WSC#DGB036:0080:HM>
      <?>yeah</?> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0085:Z1>
      you know you've got all the <.>s</.> second hand japanese cars

  <WSC#DGB036:0090:Z1>
      we're bringing in tyres

  <WSC#DGB036:0095:Z1>
      we're bringing in clothing <,>

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      we're bringing in timber

  <WSC#DGB036:0105:Z1>
      we're bringing in cement <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0110:Z1>
      we're bringing in reinforcing steel

  <WSC#DGB036:0115:Z1>
      we're bringing in steel <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0120:Z1>
      i think we might have to do that but <.>th</.> <.>y</.> you know
      the <{><[>the reinforcing</[> steel we <.>don't</.> <latch>

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      <[><?>yeah</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[></{> <&>19:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0130:HM>
      consumer driven though you see <,> <{1><[1>consumer</[1> driven

  <WSC#DGB036:0135:HM>
      you look on the roads of tauranga

  <WSC#DGB036:0140:HM>
      <.>the</.> er they're packed with <,> secondhand japanese <{2><[2>cars</[2>

  <WSC#DGB036:0145:Z1>
      <[1><?>yep but</?></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB036:0150:Z1>
      <[2>oh i</[2></{2> agree with you i agree with you but <,> you
      know <,> <.>i</.> i have got a great philosophy mike and i've
      had this for years

  <WSC#DGB036:0155:Z1>
      i believe we NEED to LEGislate

  <WSC#DGB036:0160:Z1>
      <.>i</.> i beLIEVE in legislation <,> um

  <WSC#DGB036:0165:Z1>
      i believe we need <&>pronounced as leed</&> to legislate the
      price of things and and keep them there at a given figure <,> um

  <WSC#DGB036:0170:Z1>
      you know the stock market for instance is is one of the biggest
      RACkets that's ever been invented <,> um

  <WSC#DGB036:0175:Z1>
      the stock market should be run on a basis <,> where at the end
      of the year the company has has shown a profit <,> right?

  <WSC#DGB036:0180:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0185:Z1>
      well the stock the value of those shares rise by that percentage
      <,> not trading daily on an up and down basis with some poor
      sucker losing all his money and the rich guy making it <,> um
      <.>an</.> and these are the types of problems we see just going
      on endlessly and endlessly <,,> and you know <.>i</.> i'm
      talking about legislation that helps people not not hinders
      people

  <WSC#DGB036:0190:HM>
      there's a lot in what you say mate and i'm going to think about
      it during the next ad break

  <WSC#DGB036:0195:Z1>
      yep <{><[>right oh mike</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0200:HM>
      <[>it was a good call</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0205:HM>
      i <{><[>appreciate</[> it

  <WSC#DGB036:0210:Z1>
      <[><?>brillant</?></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0215:Z1>
      thanks very much <{><[>bye</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0220:HM>
      <[>very</[></{> good calls tonight <&>20:01</&> <&>advertisements
      and news not transcribed</&> <&>20:08</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0225:Z2>
      hello how are you

  <WSC#DGB036:0230:HM>
      <drawls>well</drawls>

  <WSC#DGB036:0235:Z2>
      nice to talk to you from sunny tolaga bay

  <WSC#DGB036:0240:HM>
      and to you too <,> from sunny wellington

  <WSC#DGB036:0245:Z2>
      <O>laughs</O> you're joking

  <WSC#DGB036:0250:HM>
      yes

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      yeah <,> er look i want to make er three points because i think
      i've heard a fair amount of er <,> garbage tonight <{><[>mainly
      from <,> people</[> who er

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      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0265:HM>
      <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB036:0270:Z2>
      mainly from people who er <,> surPRISingly there are still
      people who support the present government <{><[>and that</[>
      really does astound me <latch>

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      <[>yes indeed</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0280:HM>
      no not at <{><[>all</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0285:Z2>
      <[>it does</[></{> <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0290:Z2>
      well you know i've i've got to say it it <.>a</.> astounds me
      because er <,> you know one doesn't <,> MIND integrity <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0295:Z2>
      one doesn't MIND harsh policy <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0300:Z2>
      one doesn't mind <&>21:00</&> being beaten down <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0305:Z2>
      one doesn't mind a whole lot of things <,> but we do mind <,>
      people who get a job <,> by lying to get it <,> and that's what
      we've had in this country for too long <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0310:Z2>
      now let's just make three points <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0315:Z2>
      first <,> we've had seven years of the present economic policies
      <,> and this country is in a worse position than it has ever
      been in my memory

  <WSC#DGB036:0320:HM>
      mhm

  <WSC#DGB036:0325:Z2>
      and my memory goes back a long way

  <WSC#DGB036:0330:HM>
      to when?

  <WSC#DGB036:0335:Z2>
      well back before the nineteen thirties which yours probably
      doesn't <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0340:HM>
      no it doesn't so i'll <{><[>disagree</[> with you

  <WSC#DGB036:0345:HM>
      this country's NOT in as bad a position as it was in the
      thirties

  <WSC#DGB036:0350:Z2>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0355:Z2>
      well you don't know what you're talking about

  <WSC#DGB036:0360:HM>
      <O>tut</O> okay

  <WSC#DGB036:0365:Z2>
      um <,> <drawls>that's er</drawls> <,> you know <,> seven
      <&>22:00</&> years of these policies and we really are in a very
      serious situation

  <WSC#DGB036:0370:HM>
      wouldn't disagree there

  <WSC#DGB036:0375:Z2>
      and so <,> what the <.>gov</.> people voted for <?><.>w</.></?>
      last time was a change <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0380:HM>
      possibly

  <WSC#DGB036:0385:Z2>
      but they haven't got a change <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0390:Z2>
      it's the same old rubbish

  <WSC#DGB036:0395:HM>
      could i <{><[><.>sugg</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0400:Z2>
      <[>and</[></{> we go further and further down the plughole

  <WSC#DGB036:0405:HM>
      mhm <,> well we're not actually

  <WSC#DGB036:0410:HM>
      we're slowly climbing out of it

  <WSC#DGB036:0415:Z2>
      oh <O>laughs</O> oh goodness me

  <WSC#DGB036:0420:Z2>
      which economic papers do you read

  <WSC#DGB036:0425:HM>
      well what indicators er er are you quoting <{><[>off</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0430:Z2>
      <[>the next</[></{> the next indication for unemployment is <{><[>even</[>
      greater unemployment <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0435:HM>
      <[>yep</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0440:HM>
      oh yes by nineteen ninety three it's going to be twelve point
      one percent

  <WSC#DGB036:0445:Z2>
      yeah even greater unemployment

  <WSC#DGB036:0450:Z2>
      do you think that's good

  <WSC#DGB036:0455:Z2>
      <{><[>well i don't

  <WSC#DGB036:0460:Z2>
      i think that's disastrous</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0465:HM>
      <[>not <.>at</.> <,> not at all <,> not</[></{> at all

  <WSC#DGB036:0470:HM>
      is that your sole indicator though that you base the <drawls>er</drawls>
      health of an economy on?

  <WSC#DGB036:0475:Z2>
      well that's a pretty important indicator <{1><[1>because those</[1>
      are people you're <{2><[2>talking about</[2>

  <WSC#DGB036:0480:HM>
      <[1>did didn't</[1></{1>

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      <[2>sure <.>did</.> didn't</[2></{2> say it wasn't imPORtant did
      i

  <WSC#DGB036:0490:HM>
      <{><[><.>i</.> i asked you</[> whether it was the SOLE indicator
      <&>23:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0495:Z2>
      <[>they're people</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0500:Z2>
      no of course it's not the <{><[>sole indicator</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0505:HM>
      <[>well what are</[></{> what are the other ones that you <{><[>base
      it on</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0510:Z2>
      <[>but it's a</[></{> very important <{><[>indicator</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0515:HM>
      <[>yes indeed</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0520:HM>
      what are the other indicators you use <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0525:Z2>
      what indicator would you like

  <WSC#DGB036:0530:HM>
      well i don't know

  <WSC#DGB036:0535:HM>
      <.>tell</.> i don't know <.>wh</.> <{><[>what <.>ind</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0540:Z2>
      <[>come</[></{> on you say that it's getting better

  <WSC#DGB036:0545:Z2>
      where is it getting better <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0550:HM>
      no no i want to know from YOU <,> what indicators you use to
      tell me that the economy is getting worse <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0555:Z2>
      the indicators are the deficit

  <WSC#DGB036:0560:HM>
      yep <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0565:Z2>
      the indicators are what we've got to SELL to get rid of that
      deficit

  <WSC#DGB036:0570:HM>
      yep <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0575:Z2>
      the indicators are <,> disinvestment rather than investment

  <WSC#DGB036:0580:HM>
      mhm

  <WSC#DGB036:0585:Z2>
      what else would you like

  <WSC#DGB036:0590:HM>
      well it doesn't worry me

  <WSC#DGB036:0595:HM>
      it's just whatever you use to indicate what you know your
      comments that's all

  <WSC#DGB036:0600:Z2>
      well we've been told that these policies that started seven
      years ago were going to bring more investment and they've
      brought LESS <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0605:Z2>
      we're <.>going</.> we were told that selling the assets was
      going to get rid of our public debt <&>24:00</&> <,> our
      overseas debt

  <WSC#DGB036:0610:Z2>
      it has got greater

  <WSC#DGB036:0615:HM>
      mm <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0620:Z2>
      and we've got <,> DAMN all left to sell

  <WSC#DGB036:0625:HM>
      yes <,> so give me your answer <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0630:Z2>
      now that really is a stupid question <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0635:HM>
      oh all right <{><[>so</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0640:Z2>
      <[>if i</[></{> was to give you an answer it would take more
      time than your programme's got <,> and you know that <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0645:HM>
      well what are <{><[>your <.>bas</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0650:Z2>
      <[>because that's</[></{> a <?>cheap <.>tact</.></?> question
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0655:HM>
      no well <.>wh</.> what are your basic answers then <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0660:HM>
      what do we need to do

  <WSC#DGB036:0665:HM>
      how are we going to do it?

  <WSC#DGB036:0670:Z2>
      basically the answer is <,,><&>3</&> to develop a bit of
      industry here but not to the STUpid extent that we did before by
      overprotection <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0675:Z2>
      we need a MODerate level of protection

  <WSC#DGB036:0680:Z2>
      this is BASic

  <WSC#DGB036:0685:Z2>
      this is there's a lot of detail in all this and i can't answer
      it on a short programme but let's do some of the things the
      japanese and the germans do <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0690:Z2>
      they don't go around opening the country up to all sorts of
      people just because the international bankers say you've got to
      do this <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0695:Z2>
      they do it to suit their national <&>25:00</&> interest <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0700:Z2>
      we do it for foolish reasons

  <WSC#DGB036:0705:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0710:Z2>
      however my next point <,,> on <,> superannuation <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0715:Z2>
      i happen to be a superannuitant and it wouldn't have worried me
      too much if <.>the</.> if the parties prior to the election have
      <.>s</.> had said <,> now this is the way it's got to be <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0720:Z2>
      in fact i think labour more or less did say that <,> <.>h</.>
      didn't give any indication of changing their surtax <,> <drawls>er</drawls>
      <,> but <,> against that we had mister bolger <,> saying that's
      a dreadful thing labour have done <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0725:Z2>
      we're going to fix this up and you superannuitants are going to
      do SO well

  <WSC#DGB036:0730:HM>
      mhm

  <WSC#DGB036:0735:Z2>
      under our policy <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0740:Z2>
      we're going to abolish that surcharge <,> but he didn't say he
      was going to bring in something worse

  <WSC#DGB036:0745:Z2>
      he gave the people the imPRESSion

  <WSC#DGB036:0750:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0755:Z2>
      the clear impression <,> that they were going to <&>26:00</&> be
      better off <,> after he had won the election <,> than they were
      before

  <WSC#DGB036:0760:HM>
      indeed he did

  <WSC#DGB036:0765:Z2>
      and interviewers i saw lindsay perigo on television <,> say to
      mister bolger <,,> <quotes>but the country can't afford this
      mister bolger</quotes> <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0770:Z2>
      how can you give such a promise <,> and mister bolger said and i
      quote <quotes>that is a commitment of the national party</quotes>
      <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0775:Z2>
      now <,> that fellow and a lot of his cronies won comfortable
      cushy jobs <,> because of that <,> commitment that was given on
      a number of occasions

  <WSC#DGB036:0780:HM>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB036:0785:Z2>
      now it's no use saying <,> he's got integrity for not doing it
      <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0790:Z2>
      he lacked integrity for making the promise and there are a few
      PERsonal <&>27:00</&> things about all this <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0795:Z2>
      i feel sorry for example for the member the EXmember for
      gisborne <,,> mister wallbank who lost his seat <,,><&>3</&>
      because of the er promise <,> the undertaking made and
      underlined and repeated ad nauseam

  <WSC#DGB036:0800:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0805:Z2>
      by mister bolger <,> <{><[>and people were</[> on your programme
      tonight saying he was a man of integrity <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0810:Z2>
      goodness me

  <WSC#DGB036:0815:Z2>
      now the THIRD point i want to make is that i was so disappointed
      in YOU <,> and that fellow from the university whatever his name
      is <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0820:Z2>
      i forget his name now

  <WSC#DGB036:0825:Z2>
      roberts or something like that

  <WSC#DGB036:0830:Z2>
      i can't remember

  <WSC#DGB036:0835:HM>
      <[>should people <.>vote</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0840:HM>
      nigel roberts?

  <WSC#DGB036:0845:Z2>
      no oh well the fellow who was on your programme earlier <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0850:Z2>
      he was from a university

  <WSC#DGB036:0855:HM>
      no i haven't had anyone from a university <{><[>on tonight</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0860:Z2>
      <[>oh well</[></{> he was a political commentator or something
      <{><[>like that</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0865:HM>
      <[>richard</[></{> griffin <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0870:Z2>
      oh that's right <&>28:00</&> yes <{><[>you're</[> right

  <WSC#DGB036:0875:Z2>
      that was his name yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0880:HM>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:0885:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0890:Z2>
      where does he come from

  <WSC#DGB036:0895:HM>
      well he's employed by radio new zealand as our chief political
      editor <,,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0900:Z2>
      well you know i i was SO disappointed that you two <,> RIDiculed
      <,> myles and macintyre <,> for standing up and being counted

  <WSC#DGB036:0905:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0910:Z2>
      you ridiculed them

  <WSC#DGB036:0915:HM>
      no i <{><[>i <O>voc</O></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0920:Z2>
      <[>and</[></{> i <,> you know <,> really when you think of what
      <,> when you think <,> of <.>th</.> what labour did to introduce
      such surtax which was <,> a breach of promise <,,> then you get
      <,> another party coming along and making all sorts of promises
      that they had NO intention of keeping and getting elected by
      that wouldn't it have been better if you'd said look isn't it
      time that WE the people of new zealand <,> started <,> to think
      about what we can DO <,> about politicians <,> promising
      anything to get their <&>29:00</&> bums on comfortable seats <,>
      with lovely superannuation benefits with great salaries <,> er
      and then when they get in <,> they've secured the job <,> well
      we'll do what we like from here on

  <WSC#DGB036:0925:HM>
      so what should <{><[>happen</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0930:Z2>
      <[>now</[></{> <,,> at least we should be starting to think
      about it <,> and i would've thought people like you would be
      starting to encourage people to think about <.>it</.>

  <WSC#DGB036:0935:HM>
      yes i am <{><[>but <.>wh</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0940:Z2>
      <[>it's a</[></{> terrible thing <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0945:HM>
      but what's <{><[>the answer</[>

  <WSC#DGB036:0950:Z2>
      <[>that</[></{> people should be able to do this <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:0955:HM>
      what's the answer

  <WSC#DGB036:0960:Z2>
      well i think we should be trying to find one

  <WSC#DGB036:0965:HM>
      yes but what do you have one <,,><&>4</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0970:Z2>
      well perhaps er perhaps <drawls>er</drawls> we could have a bill
      of rights <,> which provided <,,> and i thought mister palmer
      might've done something about this which provided that <?>where</?>
      <&>30:00</&> <drawls>er</drawls> <,> governments <,,> on
      election found <,,> that <.>w</.> it was impossible to carry out
      <,> the promises <,,> the very promises on which they were
      elected <,> that there was some sort of appeal back to the
      people

  <WSC#DGB036:0975:HM>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB036:0980:Z2>
      i mean if mister bolger had REAL integrity <,> surely he would
      say <,,> i can't carry out those things i promised you i'd carry
      out <,>

  <WSC#DGB036:0985:Z2>
      this is the state of affairs <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:0990:Z2>
      <{><[>now if you want me to carry</[> on if you want me to carry
      on <,,> then you give me another mandate

  <WSC#DGB036:0995:HM>
      <[><.>that</.> that's what that that's what <.>i</.></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB036:1000:HM>
      yep i suggested that very thing tonight

  <WSC#DGB036:1005:HM>
      you don't listen to the programme very clearly

  <WSC#DGB036:1010:Z2>
      yes <.>i</.> <.>li</.> listen very clearly <latch>

  <WSC#DGB036:1015:HM>
      well that's exactly what i suggested at about ten past ten

  <WSC#DGB036:1020:Z2>
      no you didn't

  <WSC#DGB036:1025:HM>
      all right you didn't <{><[><.>s</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB036:1030:Z2>
      <[>well</[></{> you <.>p</.> you replay it and have another
      listen to it <{><[>but that's</[> not what you said <&>30:58</&>
      <&>end of side one</&>

  <WSC#DGB036:1035:HM>
      <[><.>wou</.> <.>wou</.></[></{>
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