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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side two</&>
  <&>0:24</&>
  

  <WSC#DGB040:0005:HR>
      good morning raewyn

  <WSC#DGB040:0010:Z1>
      hello um bill

  <WSC#DGB040:0015:Z1>
      i'm a bit nervous first time caller here

  <WSC#DGB040:0020:Z1>
      i just wanted to um just pass on to your listeners <{><[>an</[>
      episode i had with a taxi driver

  <WSC#DGB040:0025:Z1>
      um i got in the cab after working late shift at the hospital um
      to take the a cab from wellington hospital through to lyall bay
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0030:HR>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0035:HR>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB040:0040:Z1>
      and um this taxi driver spoke very broken english and i realised
      that he <.>w</.> was starting to go off course to lyall bay

  <WSC#DGB040:0045:Z1>
      we were going <&>1:00</&> round the kilbirnie heights area and
      <.>w</.> when i tried to to tell him not don't go this way you
      go that way he could he could hardly understand um what i was
      saying and i became very nervous about this and i got i asked to
      get out of the cab and that was fine but from then on whenever i
      take a cab um i always have a look at the number of the cab um
      and they display a photo of the cab driver

  <WSC#DGB040:0050:Z1>
      now this photo was not was of this person driving the cab

  <WSC#DGB040:0055:Z1>
      <{1><[1>he said</[1> it was his brother

  <WSC#DGB040:0060:Z1>
      um <O>voc</O> there's certain things that you can do <O>voc</O>

  <WSC#DGB040:0065:Z1>
      he tried to get me to sit in the front of the cab

  <WSC#DGB040:0070:Z1>
      i never do that i always sit in the back and i always have the
      keys to my house between my fingers um if i've got to take a cab
      er

  <WSC#DGB040:0075:Z1>
      <{2><[2>you've got to be really</[2>

  <WSC#DGB040:0080:Z1>
      mm? <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0085:HR>
      <[1>oh</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB040:0090:HR>
      <[2>so if you strike out</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB040:0095:HR>
      if you if you if you strike out the keys protruding from between
      your fingers and you can do some damage

  <WSC#DGB040:0100:Z1>
      yeah at least you've got something in your hand <&>2:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB040:0105:HR>
      that's a good idea <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0110:Z1>
      um but i always take a note of who's driving that cab and what
      he looks like and if his picture matches the actual cab driver
      because on that particular night he it didn't and it really
      scared me <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0115:HR>
      yeah it sounds really creepy raewyn

  <WSC#DGB040:0120:HR>
      the chances are he just couldn't speak very much english and got
      lost <{><[>but</[> you never quite know where he was taking you
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0125:Z1>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0130:Z1>
      you don't know do you <{><[>and i</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0135:HR>
      <[>did you</[></{> report him

  <WSC#DGB040:0140:Z1>
      no i i didn't

  <WSC#DGB040:0145:Z1>
      er when i look back i'm silly not to <{><[>and</[> i i didn't
      also realise that um you could take any cab in a in a lineup

  <WSC#DGB040:0150:Z1>
      i didn't realise that

  <WSC#DGB040:0155:Z1>
      i i thought you had to take the first one available so it's good
      to know that

  <WSC#DGB040:0160:HR>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0165:HR>
      yes you can just move down the queue until you find someone who
      looks sort of er well <laughs>comfortable and nice</laughs> to
      be with

  <WSC#DGB040:0170:Z1>
      yes but i do find a lot of the time possibly nice men too jump
      out of the cab to open the door for you to get in <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0175:HR>
      aha <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0180:Z1>
      but invariably they they open that front door <{><[>and i think</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0185:HR>
      <[>and you want to be in</[></{> the back <.>ou</.> out of harms
      way <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0190:Z1>
      and i <&>3:00</&> think that er a woman is safer in the back yes

  <WSC#DGB040:0195:HR>
      that's a good point

  <WSC#DGB040:0200:HR>
      <{><[>two</[> two good tip there well in fact several good tips
      there but i <unclear>word</unclear> the one with the keys too
      because er you may not be very strong and able to swing much of
      a punch as a male or a female but if you put an object in your
      hands like a set of keys and the keys protrude between the
      fingers if you have to defend yourself there's something very
      nasty and pointy sticking out <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0205:Z1>
      <[>yes</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0210:Z1>
      yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0215:HR>
      and you can do a little bit of damage which might just keep them
      at bay that second or two you need to get <{><[>away</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0220:Z1>
      <[>mm</[></{> you often wonder if you'd actually be able to but
      <O>voc</O> at least it's there as an option <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0225:HR>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{> <?>that's</?> true <{><[>raewyn</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0230:Z1>
      <[>thanks bill</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0235:HR>
      okay bye <{><[>bye</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0240:HR>
      er gary yes hello

  <WSC#DGB040:0245:HR>
      how are you gary

  <WSC#DGB040:0250:Z1>
      <[>bye</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0255:Z2>
      gidday bill

  <WSC#DGB040:0260:Z2>
      how are you

  <WSC#DGB040:0265:HR>
      <O>voc</O> well i'm losing my voice but apart from that i'm fine

  <WSC#DGB040:0270:Z2>
      yeah well you you sound as if you know me but i certainly know
      you

  <WSC#DGB040:0275:Z2>
      i've had the pleasure of er driving you up to t three er t v
      three several times <{><[>and i</[> back in about eighty nine
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0280:HR>
      <[>oh yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0285:HR>
      right

  <WSC#DGB040:0290:Z2>
      er i'm sorry to hear these sad stories coming across the radio
      this morning <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0295:HR>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0300:Z2>
      and um <.>i</.> i'm not a cab driver now i couldn't keep up
      <&>4:00</&> with the seventy hours a week they were virtually
      demanding of us but er i agree with absolutely with one of your
      callers and that was ross he's been in it a long time <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0305:HR>
      yeah i think i know ross

  <WSC#DGB040:0310:Z2>
      yes well everybody knows <{1><[1>ross</[1> and um what's
      happening today bill is the fact that there is so much
      unemployment er that people are buying taxis or becoming taxi
      drivers just out of sheer something to do

  <WSC#DGB040:0315:Z2>
      it's it's they're buying themselves a job

  <WSC#DGB040:0320:Z2>
      <{2><[2>now</[2> i believe like a radio announcer er a a a taxi
      driver he's got to want to do that job

  <WSC#DGB040:0325:Z2>
      <.>i</.> it's a it's quite a <,> difficult job to do sometimes
      and you got to like to speak to people and er you know p r work
      so there are people that should never be taxi drivers are
      becoming taxi drivers because they're buying themselves a job
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0330:HR>
      <[1><O>laughs</O></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB040:0335:HR>
      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB040:0340:HR>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0345:Z2>
      <unclear>word</unclear> buying themselves a taxi and um you know
      the people that wanted all these taxis at five <&>5:00</&>
      oclock at night when they wanted one

  <WSC#DGB040:0350:Z2>
      they SURE got them now <{><[>and they're not</[> very happy with
      them are they <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0355:HR>
      <[>they're paying the</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0360:HR>
      they're paying a real penalty for <?>clause</?> for it

  <WSC#DGB040:0365:HR>
      i mean we shouldn't get too too too crazed here

  <WSC#DGB040:0370:HR>
      it's only it's it's three rapes and well actually that is quite
      a lot because it's only march

  <WSC#DGB040:0375:Z2>
      well there's a lot happens to taxi drivers out there too but er
      the <.>th</.> raewyn er i think raewyn the girl you had on
      before um <,>

  <WSC#DGB040:0380:Z2>
      i used to like people sitting in in the front of the cab with me
      because i enjoyed my job so much that i used to like talking to
      people <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0385:HR>
      yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0390:Z2>
      and and it's a bit hard looking in a <.>ve</.> rear vision
      mirror <{1><[1>having</[1> eye contact and keeping your eyes on
      the road but most ladies like being in the back of the car
      because they like being <,> pampered or chauffeured <{2><[2>you</[2>
      understand what i'm saying <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0395:HR>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB040:0400:HR>
      <[2>mm</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB040:0405:HR>
      and you got a bit of room in the back and you can sit back there
      i could see that too but <{><[>i <.>s</.> i</[> if i was a
      driver i wouldn't be too keen to have <.>so</.> some of the
      blokes sitting behind me

  <WSC#DGB040:0410:Z2>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0415:Z2>
      er <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0420:HR>
      from a security point of view <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0425:Z2>
      well we <O>exhales</O> we do have some undesirables and er
      <&>6:00</&> you know a friend of mine got stabbed um out in
      strathmore <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0430:HR>
      aha <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0435:Z2>
      er you know <.>a</.> and it's it's you never know what's who is
      going to hop into your cab

  <WSC#DGB040:0440:Z2>
      now you say to me that er er passengers can choose their drivers
      <{><[>but</[> er it's not always a driver can choose his
      passengers not THESE days cos he'll take anything

  <WSC#DGB040:0445:Z2>
      it's it's a tough world out there <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0450:HR>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0455:HR>
      well that's right

  <WSC#DGB040:0460:Z2>
      and er but i'd say that you'd be one of my <.>be</.> er better
      passengers that i had and we had a very interesting conversation
      which i can't talk about on air really <{><[><laughs>so</laughs></[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0465:HR>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{> okay well look it's good to hear from
      you again

  <WSC#DGB040:0470:HR>
      <.>i</.> you got out of the job

  <WSC#DGB040:0475:HR>
      you're doing doing something better now <{><[>or different</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0480:Z2>
      <[><drawls>er</drawls></[></{> well yes and no

  <WSC#DGB040:0485:Z2>
      no i had a small injury which put me out of driving for a while
      but i'm doing a bit of stretch limo work now <{><[>so</[> i
      might even meet you again <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0490:HR>
      <[>oh</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0495:HR>
      well i'm sure you will

  <WSC#DGB040:0500:HR>
      i i i take stretch limos all the time <{><[><O>laughs</O></[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0505:Z2>
      <[>yeah i know</[></{> <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGB040:0510:HR>
      never but one day maybe <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0515:Z2>
      the price of fame <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0520:HR>
      <laughs>yeah okay</laughs>

  <WSC#DGB040:0525:HR>
      well look maybe two zed b will give me a stretch limo ALL of my
      own so i can come to work in the morning

  <WSC#DGB040:0530:HR>
      FAT chance

  <WSC#DGB040:0535:HR>
      we'll be back after the news <&>6:54</&> <&>commercial break</&>
      <&>7:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB040:0540:HR>
      <sighs>er</sighs> dear

  <WSC#DGB040:0545:HR>
      now coming up shortly we'll be talking to anne fleming from the
      wellington rape crisis er centre on that taxi issue we were
      discussing before the news at TEN

  <WSC#DGB040:0550:HR>
      she's a rape er crisis member of that collective that looks
      after er um those kind of situations

  <WSC#DGB040:0555:HR>
      THREE rapes in cabs in this year alone and many more sexual
      assaults and claims of er quite peculiar behaviour

  <WSC#DGB040:0560:HR>
      we've been discussing what to do about that

  <WSC#DGB040:0565:HR>
      i'm still taking your suggestions on four seven two ten thirty
      five <&>7:30</&> <&>commercial break</&> <&>7:34</&>

  <WSC#DGB040:0570:HR>
      it's twenty one minutes past ten

  <WSC#DGB040:0575:HR>
      good morning david

  <WSC#DGB040:0580:Z3>
      gidday

  <WSC#DGB040:0585:HR>
      what can we do for you

  <WSC#DGB040:0590:Z3>
      i'm a er security consultant

  <WSC#DGB040:0595:Z3>
      i've been listening to er what you've had to say the last couple
      of days

  <WSC#DGB040:0600:Z3>
      i'm actually down from auckland just visiting in wellington
      trying to drum up some business <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0605:HR>
      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0610:Z3>
      um i used to actually be a constable in australia and um about
      your taxis i've <,> well over there we we encourage anyone
      <&>8:00</&> that has any suggestive behaviour from drivers or
      anything indecent mentioned to them that they come to the police
      rather than to the federation or <{><[>to the</[> taxi companies
      and um

  <WSC#DGB040:0615:HR>
      <[>right</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0620:HR>
      even something as mild as just this guy was a creep

  <WSC#DGB040:0625:HR>
      he kept asking me questions about whether i had a boyfriend
      whether you know and and questions about sex and i just felt he
      was an utter sleaze bag and i felt threatened by him

  <WSC#DGB040:0630:HR>
      you know it's not an assault is it

  <WSC#DGB040:0635:HR>
      it's not er <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0640:Z3>
      no but it's intimidation <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0645:HR>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0650:Z3>
      or could be viewed by intimidation

  <WSC#DGB040:0655:Z3>
      um i'm sure your rape crisis lady'll tell you the same

  <WSC#DGB040:0660:Z3>
      you know don't muck around with dealing with the taxi company
      but go to the police and that way they make up a profile and if
      they get if this guy does it you know couple or three times then
      then they'll take action and you know you can be sure THEY'LL
      let the taxi drivers er the taxi federation know

  <WSC#DGB040:0665:HR>
      yeah david i mean one of the other issues we've been discussing
      over the last few days is is one of the malls here in town

  <WSC#DGB040:0670:HR>
      now this is an open air mall it's just a a street that's been
      closed off to traffic <.>ma</.> manners mall

  <WSC#DGB040:0675:HR>
      there's been a a lot of petty harassment from small gangs of
      youths er maybe thirty forty kids at <&>9:00</&> the most but
      people are getting assaulted people are feeling insecure

  <WSC#DGB040:0680:HR>
      <.>how</.> you're a security consultant can you <.>c</.> i mean
      can you actually put security into a mall like that like you can
      with say with the big closed in malls you find in the suburbs

  <WSC#DGB040:0685:Z3>
      we sure can

  <WSC#DGB040:0690:Z3>
      um i actually went down to have a look after you talked about
      yesterday

  <WSC#DGB040:0695:Z3>
      um what what we could do is put a couple of security guards in
      there and or we'd probably need three for a place of that size
      and perhaps some cameras and just monitor the situation but to
      do that would probably cost the retailers around three grand a
      week

  <WSC#DGB040:0700:HR>
      that much

  <WSC#DGB040:0705:Z3>
      that much yeah um if you're looking at three three security
      guard's wages plus monitoring and all all the rest of it

  <WSC#DGB040:0710:HR>
      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0715:Z3>
      and um you know at at the risk of losing business

  <WSC#DGB040:0720:Z3>
      <.>i</.> it's <.>r</.> seems to be really up to the police

  <WSC#DGB040:0725:Z3>
      it's quite a public shopping centre that

  <WSC#DGB040:0730:HR>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0735:Z3>
      um and er yeah the the retailers are really losing out by having
      these these these people hanging around um but um yeah it won't
      be cheap to put security in there

  <WSC#DGB040:0740:HR>
      what about security cameras alone

  <WSC#DGB040:0745:HR>
      would they be <&>10:00</&> worthwhile having so you can at least
      identify offenders afterwards

  <WSC#DGB040:0750:Z3>
      they they sure could be um but i don't know the sort of people
      that hang around there

  <WSC#DGB040:0755:Z3>
      do they have the smarts to know that they're gonna get caught on
      camera <{><[>er while the incident</[> is taking place <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0760:HR>
      <[>well they're pretty</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB040:0765:HR>
      most of them i <.>me</.> they're shrewd

  <WSC#DGB040:0770:HR>
      there's no doubt about that

  <WSC#DGB040:0775:HR>
      they're street smart <,>

  <WSC#DGB040:0780:Z3>
      what's that

  <WSC#DGB040:0785:HR>
      they're street they're street smart <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0790:Z3>
      right <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0795:HR>
      you know they've got the the you know they're smart at that <.>cu</.>
      <.>ra</.> rat cunning level

  <WSC#DGB040:0800:Z3>
      right

  <WSC#DGB040:0805:Z3>
      it comes back to whether the police'd be interested in following
      up on the videos as well

  <WSC#DGB040:0810:HR>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGB040:0815:Z3>
      um i'm not sure whether the the area is owned by the wellington
      district council or whether it's owned by the retailers or what
      um

  <WSC#DGB040:0820:HR>
      well the actual street area that's been our mall is actually
      owned by the city council

  <WSC#DGB040:0825:HR>
      it's it's it's public road that's been er basically cut off to
      vehicle traffic

  <WSC#DGB040:0830:Z3>
      right

  <WSC#DGB040:0835:Z3>
      well what they could do is if they they were concerned about
      this or the retailers got to them they could install video
      cameras and all crack down the police and say you know we want
      this stopped and issue trespass notices

  <WSC#DGB040:0840:Z3>
      that's what we're doing in in auckland in a lot of public places
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0845:HR>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0850:Z3>
      to stop these kids from <&>11:00</&> coming back in and if they
      are then they are arrested or <{><[>removed</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0855:HR>
      <[><O>voc</O></[></{> that is nice thought that that that if you
      did have some measure of security there you could issue trespass
      <.>nos</.> notices and that might clear it out

  <WSC#DGB040:0860:HR>
      where where they'd move to then lord only knows but at least
      they wouldn't be hanging around manners mall where you want to
      shop

  <WSC#DGB040:0865:Z3>
      that's right and er apparently all your <.>subu</.> well most of
      your suburbs have security incorporated in them anyway <latch>

  <WSC#DGB040:0870:HR>
      yep they do

  <WSC#DGB040:0875:HR>
      all right david

  <WSC#DGB040:0880:HR>
      listen thanks for your advice

  <WSC#DGB040:0885:HR>
      nice to hear from a pro

  <WSC#DGB040:0890:Z3>
      okay

  <WSC#DGB040:0895:HR>
      okay <{><[>then bye bye</[>

  <WSC#DGB040:0900:Z3>
      <[>great bye</[></{> <&>11:20</&>
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