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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>28:15</&>
  

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      <O>laughs</O> you've got no civil rights when you're dead have
      you

  <WSC#DGB044:0010:HJ>
      no

  <WSC#DGB044:0015:HJ>
      didn't she put that well

  <WSC#DGB044:0020:Z1>
      yes yes she did <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0025:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0030:Z1>
      she couldn't have put it better

  <WSC#DGB044:0035:Z1>
      i've just been reading the article licence to kill in the north
      and south er magazine

  <WSC#DGB044:0040:HJ>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0045:Z1>
      and um <,> er <.>i</.> it seems you know with <.>this</.> it's
      the rugby mentality that sort of fosters and rugby league um
      drinking? and it <.>y</.> you know to exist in this country you
      you've got to be a drinker <,>

  <WSC#DGB044:0050:Z1>
      it just you know it's very hard to get by and have a social life
      if you don't drink <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0055:HJ>
      <[>and</[></{> like there's something wrong with you if you
      haven't been drunk <,> <{><[>isn't</[> there

  <WSC#DGB044:0060:HJ>
      really really wrong if you haven't been out of it <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0065:HJ>
      yep

  <WSC#DGB044:0070:Z1>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0075:HJ>
      like you haven't belonged to the club

  <WSC#DGB044:0080:Z1>
      that's right

  <WSC#DGB044:0085:Z1>
      you you're er you're <O>voc</O> you're <&>29:00</&> in er a
      figure of suspicion if you don't sort of <,> drink regularly
      with the rest

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      have you got sons

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      yes i've got one

  <WSC#DGB044:0100:Z1>
      he doesn't drink

  <WSC#DGB044:0105:HJ>
      <.>m</.> how old is he

  <WSC#DGB044:0110:Z1>
      twenty

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      doesn't he

  <WSC#DGB044:0120:HJ>
      that's unusual for a twenty year old

  <WSC#DGB044:0125:HJ>
      why's that

  <WSC#DGB044:0130:Z1>
      um well i've got four children and oh a few of them will have
      the OCCASIONAL drink but none of them get drunk ever because i
      um as i brought them up i <laughs>told them about</laughs> all
      the horrors of <{><[>drunkenness</[> and i must admit i drink
      <latch>

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0145:Z1>
      but i i <.>t</.> i told them i didn't want them to be like that
      <,>

  <WSC#DGB044:0150:Z1>
      in my family we have a long line of alcoholics and i told them i
      didn't want them to be like that and they're not

  <WSC#DGB044:0155:Z1>
      it's it's more credit to them than me

  <WSC#DGB044:0160:HJ>
      so it's sensible for you to warn them because there is evidence
      it's sort of like an inherited gene that makes you addicted to
      certain substances

  <WSC#DGB044:0165:Z1>
      well most certainly <latch>

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      mhm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0175:Z1>
      and another thing i'm ringing about um

  <WSC#DGB044:0180:Z1>
      i was MOST <,> irate

  <WSC#DGB044:0185:Z1>
      i was watching frontline

  <WSC#DGB044:0190:Z1>
      there were three programmes

  <WSC#DGB044:0195:Z1>
      the first two were very interesting and the third was about
      three australian couples who've come to live in new zealand

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      mm

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      and they started the programme by saying <&>30:00</&> there's
      been a um about two thousand people <.>c</.> um australians come
      to live over here so i though oh yeah well so what

  <WSC#DGB044:0210:Z1>
      how many have gone to live over there in the last twelve months
      and then <.>it</.> these three couples who were quite well to do
      gave their opinion on how wonderful it is to live in new zealand

  <WSC#DGB044:0215:Z1>
      there was no <.>bi</.> there was bias there was no balance
      <latch>

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      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0225:Z1>
      the emphasis was and ONE actually said that jim bolger's doing a
      great job

  <WSC#DGB044:0230:HJ>
      which programme was this

  <WSC#DGB044:0235:Z1>
      frontline <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0240:HJ>
      frontline <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0245:Z1>
      last sunday

  <WSC#DGB044:0250:Z1>
      i COULDN'T believe it <,>

  <WSC#DGB044:0255:Z1>
      there were about six of us sitting in the lounge and we were
      just speechless

  <WSC#DGB044:0260:Z1>
      it <{><[>was</[> just a political programme and i've been trying
      to ring the director a john mackay in auckland but um <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0265:HJ>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0270:HJ>
      what was the name of the of the segment in in it on frontline
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0275:Z1>
      oh i can't remember but it was the last one

  <WSC#DGB044:0280:Z1>
      it was <{><[>about</[> the australians come to live in new
      zealand

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      <[>okay</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0290:HJ>
      all right

  <WSC#DGB044:0295:HJ>
      well sally thank you for your call and i wonder if anyone else
      would like to comment

  <WSC#DGB044:0300:HJ>
      three oh nine three oh double nine is our telephone number

  <WSC#DGB044:0305:HJ>
      our director of programmes <&>31:00</&> for alac glen quinn with
      us very very shortly <&><&>31:02</&> end of side one</&> <&>side
      two</&> <&>1:50</&>

  <WSC#DGB044:0310:Z2>
      not coming back from australia coming from australia to live
      <latch>

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      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0320:Z2>
      er they were australians and er they found that er their country
      was going down the tubes and new zealand was the <&>2:00</&>
      place to live and there was one guy there that had bought a
      business here and he was employing staff

  <WSC#DGB044:0325:Z2>
      he was <.>walking</.> working for a um a neon er lighting
      company in new zealand as managing <drawls>um</drawls> factory
      manager whatever and he was going on about how good this country
      was and all that and i though gee i wonder if he's getting paid
      by the national party <&>transmission fades out through rest of
      utterance</&> to put that out

  <WSC#DGB044:0330:HJ>
      and did they bring up pokare kare ana <{><[>gently under the
      word

  <WSC#DGB044:0335:HJ>
      tears to your eyes with the flag in the background</[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0340:Z2>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{> yeah

  <WSC#DGB044:0345:Z2>
      what i rang for jenny is um is it alan dickson on the is it a
      what's the guy's <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0350:HJ>
      yep yep on on <{><[>drive</[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0355:Z2>
      <[>yeah</[></{> i i i enjoy his programme and i hear it in the
      er late afternoon

  <WSC#DGB044:0360:Z2>
      i i do enjoy it but i don't agree with him and his er his theory
      on the random breath testing

  <WSC#DGB044:0365:Z2>
      i used to be a ministry of transport traffic officer for ten and
      half years and i spent er seven and a half years in southland

  <WSC#DGB044:0370:HJ>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB044:0375:Z2>
      um down there my <.>m</.> my belief is this that um <.>i</.> it
      should have come a <.>lo</.> long long time ago

  <WSC#DGB044:0380:Z2>
      er it's been a long time coming and i feel that the civil
      liberties and all this carry on is a <&>3:00</&> little bit out
      of hand

  <WSC#DGB044:0385:Z2>
      the point is the road safety is is the first priority and
      drinking and driving and speed are one of the the well the two
      major er causes of <.>ro</.> road accidents in new zealand

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      what annoys me is that when i was down south i was actually
      watching a a major intersection just out of invercargill and i
      had the patrol car parked off a side road and this was a bad a
      bad area there's quite a few fatal accidents that occurred there
      and i was just watching the traffic flow one afternoon when i
      was approached by the publican of a hotel the woodlands tavern
      just out of invercargill

  <WSC#DGB044:0395:Z2>
      it's not the guy's obviously not there now but he came over and
      he says what are you doing parking here and i said er why what's
      it to you and he said well i don't want you parking over here
      and i said well i'm not actually watching your hotel that's what
      you're worried about

  <WSC#DGB044:0400:Z2>
      i said i'm watching this intersection <latch>

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      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0410:Z2>
      he said well you're stopping my patrons from drinking and i
      thought to myself look christ almighty what the hell are we
      supposed to be doing

  <WSC#DGB044:0415:HJ>
      yeah well what did you say to him then

  <WSC#DGB044:0420:Z2>
      oh look he came out with a video camera

  <WSC#DGB044:0425:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0430:Z2>
      and he started a video on it and i had a complaint <{><[>lodged</[>
      through to the chief traffic officer about me being parked there

  <WSC#DGB044:0435:HJ>
      <[>what</[></{> <&>4:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB044:0440:HJ>
      what as a persecution or <{><[>something</[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0445:Z2>
      <[>yeah</[></{> yeah just trying to <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0450:HJ>
      <[>well i</[></{> hope your boss backed you up <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0455:Z2>
      he did but the point is you know this is this is what's happened
      for you know many years jenny is that the situation is they're
      trying to protect the people

  <WSC#DGB044:0460:Z2>
      i mean as far as i'm concerned if they want to drink and drive
      that's their problem but the people they're killing on the roads
      it's about time it stopped

  <WSC#DGB044:0465:HJ>
      do you know what

  <WSC#DGB044:0470:HJ>
      i wish that people like you would park your patrol cars right
      outside the carpark behind the booze barn

  <WSC#DGB044:0475:HJ>
      <{><[>that's where i wish you'd sit</[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0480:Z2>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{> there's a lot of things
      there's a lot of red tape <{><[><?>involved</?></[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0485:HJ>
      <[>aren't</[></{> you allowed to do that <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0490:Z2>
      no you were you weren't you weren't <{><[>virtually</[> allowed
      to um you know to actually er stop them coming out of the hotel
      car park <latch>

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      <[>why</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0500:HJ>
      why not

  <WSC#DGB044:0505:Z2>
      well because it was er you had to actually stop them for an
      offence they had to do something wrong but er i <.>re</.> i
      recall about two years ago somebody was marking when they had
      these blitzes they were marking <laughs>the headlights in in
      some of the carparks with a cross</laughs> so when the car came
      out they knew that person was drunk in the hotel and he had a
      car <latch>

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      yes <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0515:Z2>
      so they'd pull him over but you know okay <.>th</.> all these
      games they play

  <WSC#DGB044:0520:Z2>
      i mean <&>5:00</&> speeding motorists have radar detectors

  <WSC#DGB044:0525:Z2>
      far as i'm concerned they shouldn't be allowed

  <WSC#DGB044:0530:Z2>
      they should be vetoed straight <{><[>out</[> of the country

  <WSC#DGB044:0535:Z2>
      the point is they're PROTECTING the people to actually infringe
      the law and let's face it the laws are there for everybody
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0540:HJ>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0545:HJ>
      steve you obviously have pulled up a lot of drunk <{><[>and
      speeding drivers in your life <.>d</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0550:HJ>
      what is the is there a common background to these offenders

  <WSC#DGB044:0555:HJ>
      would you agree that it is a male between eighteen and twenty
      five with a criminal background

  <WSC#DGB044:0560:Z2>
      <[>oh yeah <unclear>word</unclear> many many</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0565:Z2>
      not with a criminal background

  <WSC#DGB044:0570:Z2>
      <.>i</.> my actually jenny i i can't really go along with that

  <WSC#DGB044:0575:Z2>
      when i was down south a lot of people i got the majority of
      people who i actually stopped for drinking and driving <.>i</.>
      you know i mean i'm talking about three or four drinking drivers
      on a SUNDAY <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0580:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0585:Z2>
      on a sunday <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0590:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0595:Z2>
      not saturday <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0600:HJ>
      mm

  <WSC#DGB044:0605:Z2>
      this is long before you know <.>th</.> the sunday openings were
      you know were allowed in these restaurants and whatever but this
      was on a sunday afternoon i'd pick up three or four drunken
      drivers and you know their age would be around on on average
      about forty five <,>

  <WSC#DGB044:0610:Z2>
      <{><[>they</[> were fairly old people <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0615:HJ>
      <[>mm</[></{>

  <WSC#DGB044:0620:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0625:Z2>
      and you know i <&>6:00</&> mean down i mean south <.>w</.> when
      i was down there in southland this was going back to about
      nineteen seventy eight when i left there er southland had the
      highest <.>w</.> well sorry not the highest it WAS the highest
      drinking province of BEER in the WORLD per population

  <WSC#DGB044:0630:Z2>
      <{><[>now <.>that's</.></[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0635:HJ>
      <[>you had</[></{> your job cut out for you then <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0640:Z2>
      that's dead right

  <WSC#DGB044:0645:HJ>
      steve good to hear from you <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0650:Z2>
      thank you very <{><[>much</[> jenny

  <WSC#DGB044:0655:HJ>
      <[>thank</[></{> you very <{><[>much</[>

  <WSC#DGB044:0660:Z2>
      <[>have a</[></{> nice day <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0665:HJ>
      expert point of view

  <WSC#DGB044:0670:Z2>
      okay bye bye <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0675:HJ>
      okay bye and er if you didn't catch who steve was he introduced
      himself as someone who had been a southland cop for ten years

  <WSC#DGB044:0680:HJ>
      he is no longer <.>a</.> <.>w</.> with the m o t quite obviously
      er but he had first hand experience <?>of</?> drinking drivers
      <&>6:36</&> <&>advertisements not transcribed</&> <&>8:15</&>

  <WSC#DGB044:0685:HJ>
      nine three oh double nine

  <WSC#DGB044:0690:HJ>
      er just reminding you that very shortly we're going to be
      calling sydney er news editor murray olds

  <WSC#DGB044:0695:HJ>
      four murders sparked a nationwide hunt for a gang of three men

  <WSC#DGB044:0700:HJ>
      er the burnt remains of a pregnant fourteen year old have been
      found in queensland

  <WSC#DGB044:0705:HJ>
      two little children believed to have er witnessed the murder
      have been abducted

  <WSC#DGB044:0710:HJ>
      the bodies of three miners have also been found in northern new
      south wales

  <WSC#DGB044:0715:HJ>
      police believe that they were also shot dead by the same trio

  <WSC#DGB044:0720:HJ>
      i understand that the er miners er who were shot dead in fact
      had just been made redundant and <drawls>er</drawls> their
      redundancy pay was stolen and er <?>it's</?> thought that they
      still have two very young kidnapped children with them <,>

  <WSC#DGB044:0725:HJ>
      all right <&>9:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB044:0730:HJ>
      glen quinn is the director of programme for alac

  <WSC#DGB044:0735:HJ>
      glen welcome to the programme

  <WSC#DGB044:0740:HJ>
      good morning

  <WSC#DGB044:0745:Z3>
      good morning jenny

  <WSC#DGB044:0750:HJ>
      compulsory er breath testing

  <WSC#DGB044:0755:HJ>
      where does alac stand on this

  <WSC#DGB044:0760:Z3>
      well we support it i guess

  <WSC#DGB044:0765:Z3>
      it sounds like a a real constraint doesn't it on our behaviour
      er but what are we to do if er forty five percent of the road
      deaths have got alcohol involved in them and twenty two percent
      of the injuries then we as a community need to do something
      about it and i guess the years of saying look please be careful
      with your drinking and driving and the two don't mix are really
      just falling on deaf ears

  <WSC#DGB044:0770:HJ>
      glen <.>what</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0775:Z3>
      and it sounds a bit a bit severe <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0780:HJ>
      mm <latch>

  <WSC#DGB044:0785:Z3>
      but er i i guess it's got to be tried

  <WSC#DGB044:0790:HJ>
      do you think that alcohol has become part of our cultural ethos

  <WSC#DGB044:0795:Z3>
      oh indeed

  <WSC#DGB044:0800:Z3>
      i mean over eighty percent of us are drinking regularly and it's
      very much part of the new zealand culture

  <WSC#DGB044:0805:Z3>
      i guess what is <&>10:00</&> peculiar to new zealand is our
      drinking style which tends still to be of a binge drinking
      nature

  <WSC#DGB044:0810:Z3>
      we tend not to drink regularly but we tend to drink in episodes
      and drink an awful lot <,> and it would be nice if we could
      change that

  <WSC#DGB044:0815:Z3>
      i think there are signs of that beginning to change

  <WSC#DGB044:0820:HJ>
      why do you think that is so

  <WSC#DGB044:0825:HJ>
      <.>w</.> why is it that there's so much er <,> so many of us
      seem to be pressured to get drunk to get really out of it once
      or twice a week

  <WSC#DGB044:0830:Z3>
      well it's hard to really know but <.>th</.> <O>exhales</O> the
      most logical explanation that i've heard for this is really a
      historical one in that in european terms and even in maori terms
      <.>whi</.> in terms of our drinking we're still a very new
      country and there was the time when the men used to go off and
      work in the in the fields and in the forests and then they would
      come into town at the end of the week and spend all their money
      on liquor and that became a predominant drinking pattern er in
      new zealand and in a sense we're still growing out of that
      <&>11:00</&> because it's only it's it's not that long ago that
      we were still a frontiers country

  <WSC#DGB044:0835:HJ>
      other people have put forward other ideas

  <WSC#DGB044:0840:HJ>
      i'm thinking of austin mitchell er and people like him who've
      thought that maybe we are a passionless race of people a very
      inhibited race and that we need to get drunk in order to release
      any feelings or emotions at all which is a very tragic
      commentary on us isn't it

  <WSC#DGB044:0845:Z3>
      well it is indeed and there maybe aspects of that that are right

  <WSC#DGB044:0850:Z3>
      i mean it's often been said that the new zealand male
      particularly is a more inhibited being in that we do need some
      help to to release our feelings

  <WSC#DGB044:0855:Z3>
      um there's probably no one explanation jenny

  <WSC#DGB044:0860:Z3>
      it'll be a mixture of a whole lot of things but i think we are
      seeing a gradual change

  <WSC#DGB044:0865:HJ>
      to what

  <WSC#DGB044:0870:Z3>
      to a more even drinking pattern to people not getting into binge
      drinking quite as much as we used to

  <WSC#DGB044:0875:HJ>
      now your keith evans in london <{1><[1>er</[1> he's had some
      very controversial things to say

  <WSC#DGB044:0880:HJ>
      er <&>12:00</&> there's been a report filed this morning of the
      international summit <{2><[2>in london</[2> of of alac er <.>sa</.>
      claiming that er booze companies are now being asked to help
      battle the health problems that they inevitably profit from

  <WSC#DGB044:0885:Z3>
      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGB044:0890:Z3>
      <[2><?>mhm</?></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGB044:0895:Z3>
      well that's right and it is quite a radical statement too i
      guess

  <WSC#DGB044:0900:Z3>
      er i mean if we as a community are going to try and tackle
      alcohol misuse then everybody's got to pull their weight in this
      and what we've been having over the years is the public health
      field saying <,> <.>y</.> you know we've got to moderate our
      drinking we've got to be much more careful where we drink and
      how we drink and the liquor industry standing off and being
      really very suspicious of what the public health field is about
      but if we DON'T bring the industry on board and acknowledge that
      you know the drinking that goes on in the pubs that the drinking
      environment advertising the way alcohol is promoted that ALL of
      this has got to come together and be a consistent message they
      are always going to be at odds with each other <&>13:00</&>

  <WSC#DGB044:0905:HJ>
      what don't you like about the drinking environment the majority
      of pubs er provide

  <WSC#DGB044:0910:Z3>
      well i think there are changes going on here as part of the host
      responsibility campaign that alac has been keen on promoting but
      what we have been seeing in our pubs is um a drinking
      environment where there's always been alcohol available where
      there's not been much discouragement of drunken drinking where
      there's not been food available or low alcoholic drinks and this
      is where we're seeing the changes <&>13:32</&>
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