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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>0:51</&>
  

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      i don't actually like the term new age but people recognise the
      term new age and they understand um where we're coming from when
      we talk about that

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      er i understand it as er being responsible for yourself being
      selfsufficient as well <O>voc</O> for your health your happiness
      wellbeing spirituality and also er understanding the purpose of
      being here

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      <.>w</.> would you call the new age for YOU anyway a a a
      spiritual movement

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      yes i think so

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      yeah it's a turning towards god people might have another name
      for god <,> whatever they see as their force?

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      <.>wha</.> what do you mean by god

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      i see god in everything in nature? <,>

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      um like god <?>is <O>voc</O> just</?> in everything um

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      is it a force a life force an energy <{><[>a</[> person <latch>

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      <[>yes</[></{>

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      yeah <,> creator

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      and that creating is still going on

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      <{><[><?>it could still be happening</?></[>

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      <[>oh i think so</[></{> yes i think so yeah

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      wonder where your spiritual journey began

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      did you <&>2:00</&> <O>voc</O> where did you go sunday school
      and all of those things and church go to church <{><[><?>and
      things</?></[>

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      <[>yes well</[></{> my family <.>w</.> is anglican um i still
      think of myself as anglican and my father went to church every
      sunday and we were made to really feel guilty if we didn't go to
      church every sunday with him er which i began to resent <,>

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      i found church to be quite boring

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      it seemed to have a set pattern every week and the sermon seemed
      to always be about people that don't come to church and <,>
      things like that

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      it probably didn't but that was my perception of it at the time
      and my sister and i used to play a little game during the sermon
      and we'd look for a word that started with a and then we'd look
      for a word that started with b and we'd see how far through <O>laughs</O>
      how far through the alphabet we could get by the time the sermon
      ended <O>tut</O> which wasn't very good

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      i did go on later <.>t</.> to teach sunday school and went to
      bible class and all those things so i had a a religious um <O>tut</O>
      upbringing <&>3:00</&>

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      has this not <{><[>continued</[>

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      i mean you've left it behind <.>ha</.> now have you

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      <[>orthodox</[></{>

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      yes i found er when we got married i really i left the church
      really then didn't go back to church

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      we went um for christenings and weddings and things like that
      <,> but not um organised religion

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      so what's your attitude to <{><[>er</[> the <.>ch</.> <O>voc</O>
      orthodox religion now

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      <[><O>clears throat</O></[></{>

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      i think it has a place

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      um i feel we're all heading for the same direction whatever that
      might be

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      when we die we're all heading the same the same place and
      religion is just a part of er <.>th</.> new age is a wide vision
      and religion is just a part of that

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      so you left um the church or organised religion behind um

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      where did your life journey take you

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      i mean <.>w</.> you've had some major turning points i
      understand in your life

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      um where did you go <{><[><laughs>next</laughs></[>

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      <[>we <.>ha</.></[></{> we had some turning points um

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      i found that when my daughter was two er and she's now
      <&>4:00</&> seventeen so fifteen years ago she was sick for a
      whole winter

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      she had bronchitis

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      back to the doctor

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      onto antibiotics

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      well for a week

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      back to the doctor

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      same for the whole winter <O>tut</O> and the doctor said to me
      there's nothing you can do and it'll probably develop into
      asthma <,> and i thought no kid of mine's gonna have asthma

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      there must be something i can do <,> and at that time there was
      two homeopaths in new zealand and one of them was in titahi bay
      which was near where we lived at that stage and i took her along
      to him and um he took her off milk and onto goats milk and
      different homeopathic things and that was the big changing point
      because we looked at our diet and we looked at health

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      we really got interested in health

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      i think it takes a crisis to make you look at at at whatever and
      i guess a lot of people have different crisis crises through
      their life which make them look at different aspects <,> so that
      was a big change

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      at that stage <&>5:00</&> too around about that stage i really
      wanted to be out of wellington wanted to move out of there but i
      couldn't encourage my husband to to make the move and um <{><[>i
      got</[>

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      <[>why was that i mean</[></{> what was going on for you at that
      time

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      i don't know but i just didn't feel happy where i was <,> um <,>

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      i couldn't really put my finger on it but i just knew i didn't
      want to be there <,> and i went down and down and i <.>w</.> had
      <,> years of valium and anti depressants trying to make myself
      feel better <.>a</.> and in the end <,> he did realise that we
      needed to move and we headed north and we moved to hamilton <,>
      <O>tut</O> and that was great <,> for a while

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      the weather was better

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      the weather was really a big pattern because i like to be
      outside and in wellington you just don't have much opportunity
      to be outside and that was good for a while but then i could see
      the same old patterns coming back <O>coughs</O> and i knew if i
      wasn't didn't get out of hamilton i was gonna end up in the same
      <,> boat

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      um of course when i look back it <&>6:00</&> was i needed to
      look at those <,> at those patterns and work out what it was
      that was that was the problem but at that stage i wasn't aware
      enough to realise that it was inside me <,> wasn't something
      external as well

  <WSC#DGI096:0270:IN>
      can you tell me what you think now what the problem was

  <WSC#DGI096:0275:SB>
      <drawls>um</drawls> <O>tut</O> i probably didn't want to face my
      myself <,>

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      i knew i wasn't happy but i didn't know why i wasn't happy <,>

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      i didn't know where to turn to find out why i wasn't happy

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      now i <.>c</.> now i have the resources perhaps to be able to
      look at why things aren't working and deal with them but in
      those days i didn't i didn't know

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      i suppose this is where the new age is is a mushrooming business
      now and there's different ways that you can <,> you can do that

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      um one of my favourite ways is to actually go to my runes <,>
      and um <{><[>ask a question</[>

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      <[>tell me tell</[></{> me what runes are <latch> <&>7:00</&>

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      <O>laughs</O> runes are an ancient viking um it's an oracle they
      call it an oracle

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      it's not a fortune telling thing but <{><[>um</[>

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      <[>is it</[></{> actually er little stones <{><[>with marks on
      them</[>

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      <[>they're little stones</[></{> yes <latch>

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      right <latch>

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      they're little stones with symbols on them and you ask a
      question and pull one of the stones from the bag and then you
      look up in the book and see er what you need to er maybe address
      at that stage and i still find those very useful <,> if i'm
      stuck with something

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      like quite recently we had a lot of negativity seemed to be
      coming at us and i couldn't work out what it was that was the
      problem and why why it should be happening when i was trying to
      do good <O>laughs</O> and that just helped me get back on track
      <,> so you might do it through tarot cards a tarot reader

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      you might do it through um <O>tut</O> a psychic er the runes
      maybe just even going and sitting in the garden or sitting on
      the beach

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      you know it doesn't have to be a magical special thing um just
      whatever whatever <&>8:00</&> you can if it works best for you
      to tune into yourself that's what works so i didn't have those
      tools then

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      i didn't know where to look

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      i had noone to guide me um <,> <O>tut</O>

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      there was a lot of negativity around and it wasn't really i
      guess till i could see that it was that that i needed to deal
      with <,> that i was attracting to myself <,> what was happening

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      so in a sense you were MAKING your life unhappy <latch>

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      yes i was yeah

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      i was dwelling on the negative <,> instead of making the best of
      my situation

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      <O>voc</O> do you think this was something like <O>voc</O> you
      know the label suburban neurosis <{><[>was it was it something
      that</[> you were going through <latch>

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      <[>yeah absolutely</[></{>

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      yes i think so yes

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      i was at home in the suburbs with two preschool kids and young
      children um <,> and yes i didn't really enjoy those years at all
      <,>

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      i love my girls now that they're <O>voc</O> independent <O>laughs</O>

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      it's really great yeah <O>tut</O> <&>9:00</&>

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      so you went from hamilton to auckland <,> <{><[><?>to live</?></[>

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      <[>we moved to auckland yes</[></{> and um it was really amazing

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      i must have known that that was where i was going to really find
      find myself

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      i felt like we went home

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      we still had rough times when we got there

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      <.>th</.> houses were very expensive and we looked at something
      like a hundred and forty five houses in the first couple of
      months and <O>voc</O> because housing was just so dear and what
      we could afford <O>voc</O> it was a bit hard to <O>laughs</O>
      accept <O>tut</O> um <,> so there were still tough times but i
      really wanted to be there

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      i felt that i that was okay

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      i could cope with it then <,>

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      about um oh six months after we moved there i attended a class
      we'd got a bit away from the health in those um <,> <.>i</.>
      intervening years and i attended a class that was run by a
      naturopath and it was a ten week class and every week we went
      along and we learnt something new <O>tut</O> and that was really
      great and the last week um we talked <&>10:00</&> about louise
      hay

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      now louise hay is is very big in the states

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      she believes that you create your own reality and that for every
      physical <,> illness that you might have there's a a
      metaphysical reason of why it's happening

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      um for instance heart attacks and heart problems are that
      there's no joy in your life <,> so by looking up her book if
      you've got say a sore right arm or a or a left finger or
      whatever she has a reason of why that might be occurring <,>

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      she's had a lot of success with aids people er in the states so
      she's very well known for that as well

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      i mean does she <,> help with cures for aids or is this <{><[><?>claimed</?>
      or</[>

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      <[>well i don't know if they can</[></{> be cured but they can
      be put into a <.>re</.> um <,> recession so she's keeping them
      well a bit longer

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      so she's saying <{1><[1>that um</[1> these physical
      manifestations of ill health um <,> have what you <.>s</.> i
      think described as <{2><[2>metaphysical reasons spiritual
      reasons or</[2> psychological reasons <{3><[3><?>perhaps</?></[3>

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      <[1><?>than usual</?></[1></{1> <&>11:00</&>

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      <[2>have a metaphysical yes <,> um</[2></{2>

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      <[3>yes the mental</[3></{3> a mental thought pattern quite
      often it's a thought pattern <,> yeah cos we actually get sick
      from the outside in so if you're depressed or you're overtired
      or overstimulated or worried if you don't deal with that <,>
      symptom you it manifests itself physically somewhere in your
      body <,>

  <WSC#DGI096:0510:SB>
      i work with bach flowers and flower essences and they work on
      the mind and the emotions <,> so if you can get to that stage
      you can actually prevent yourself from getting really sick <,>

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      it's like if you listen to the whispers you don't need to hear
      the shouts <,> but we <.>d</.> often don't listen to the
      whispers

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      if we're a bit tired we'll often push ourselves a bit further
      and a bit further

  <WSC#DGI096:0525:IN>
      when you say you work with bach flowers and essences <.>w</.>
      <.>w</.> can you tell me that in lay terms

  <WSC#DGI096:0530:IN>
      i mean what are bach flowers and essences <&>12:00</&>

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      they're made from the flowers of plants different plants

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      each one has a different property and um they're picked while
      the dew is on them and they're put in a glass container with
      pure water and the action of the sun the sun's rays take the
      vibrations

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      it's a vibrational medicine

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      some people would claim that um what you're playing with is
      magic <{><[><?>really</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGI096:0555:SB>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{> hey life's magic <O>laughs</O>

  <WSC#DGI096:0560:SB>
      it's not black magic though

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      i wouldn't i wouldn't <,> <.>da</.> dabble in black magic <,>
      rituals and um <,> <O>tut</O> and putting spells on people and
      things like that but but life is really magic

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      it's so exciting

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      to what extent would you say that these <,> well somewhat
      strange things to many people anyway um are simply metaphors or
      symbols or or or ways of changing yourself

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      they help you to <O>voc</O> i mean what's your <{><[><O>voc</O></[>
      how can i put it <,,> what you're really doing is working with
      your own imagination <&>13:00</&>

  <WSC#DGI096:0585:SB>
      <[><O>clears throat</O></[></{>

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      yes yep

  <WSC#DGI096:0595:IN>
      and er these things just help you to do that

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      they're sort of <{><[>signposts rather</[> than doing anything
      in themselves

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      <[>yes <O>coughs</O> yes</[></{>

  <WSC#DGI096:0610:SB>
      well we're all we're all supposed to be well all the time

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      that is how we should be and we're not because our bodies have
      just got out of balance in some way so what we're doing with any
      of these things like like i guess naturopathy or massage or
      tarot cards or the runes looking at why we're not quite in
      balance and getting ourselves put back into balance so that we
      are well <&>13:30</&>
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