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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side two</&>
  <&>2:20</&>
  

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      <indig=Maori>kia ora</indig=Maori>

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      my name is barney manaia um

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      i'm involved my position at this very point in time is i'm the c
      t u <indig=Maori>runanga</indig=Maori> rep to the c t u
      executive and we have monthly meetings and i've just come <.>dow</.>
      popped down here to to have a bit of a <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori>
      about um the sort of things i do and how i got involved i guess

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      is that the <indig=Maori>kaupapa</indig=Maori>

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      oh <indig=Maori>kia ora</indig=Maori>

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      um <.>my</.> my <,> what i do is i actually teach children and
      um a while ago i've <.>be</.> been quite an active unionist

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      i got involved in um <?>with</?> the c t u <&>3:00</&> which
      stands for combined trade union and um that all goes <.>the</.>
      historically i went back to the <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori>
      in nineteen eighty six <unclear>word</unclear> and er the then f
      o l which <.>is</.> federation of labour called this big
      <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori> in in rotorua and the
      <indig=Maori>kaupapa</indig=Maori> for them was to get some sort
      of a direction and indication of how they could best service um
      workers and um directionally um perhaps maori workers and so you
      had the people of those times that <drawls>were</drawls> in the
      forefront that are now activists today

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      you had er people like syd <.>s</.> jackson er

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      you don't see a lot of tom murray now but you do um <?>have</?>
      various other people who've gone on to other things and i guess
      at that time i was very new to it but being maori i wanted to
      actually um take some um responsibility and <.>g</.> and get out
      and actually activate things

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      um that was where <&>4:00</&> i came to understand a little bit
      more about the treaty of waitangi and the actual special unique
      relationship that that actually develops and um so <O>voc</O>
      from that sort of beginning you know i <?><.>g</.></?> i got
      involved in the local <drawls>um</drawls> c t u

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      now let me let me sort of explain their structure cos it's <.>a</.>
      it's a little bit you know i don't know how many maori people
      out in the <.>c</.> <?>wider <.>e</.></?> actually understand
      what it's about but they have basically a sort of a <.>an</.> an
      er a vertical type structure i guess <with gravelly voice>um</with gravelly voice>
      and it's there's a national executive and it goes down to your
      local branches and they presumably um feed into this local
      branch network and they feed up to the national executive

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      now this is all funded by unions okay <&>5:00</&> so you have a
      what's called a a union like for our union it's um n z e i

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      <?>now</?> they have a maori structure within their own union
      and that maori structure within our own union the n z e i which
      is primary teachers actually funds my activities into the c t
      <?>u</?> maori structure there okay so <.>that</.> all this sort
      of participation has been funded by er people who pay their fees
      to unions

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      now the sort of <indig=Maori><.>kau</.></indig=Maori> <.>thing</.>
      issues we deal with <drawls>are</drawls> well today we were
      getting a assurance about the minimum <.>wa</.> wage and getting
      things activated there <?>and</?> from we were <.>t</.> seeking
      a commitment from mike moore today about <.>the</.> just what
      sort of participation levels you know we'd get from <&>6:00</&>
      them and in the wider context

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      um i think today the issues that we i had set out was for him
      was maori and the employment

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      we need to see some concrete things happening and whether this
      government is a hung parliament government a minority government
      elected right and we need to see those issues still activated
      and pushed you know

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      we need to make sure that maori is left the flag waving in terms
      of their responsibilities and in terms of the things that have
      to happen

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      um we've got to be clear in our own minds what that actually
      means <?>er <.>s</.></?> and we've got to be clear that they
      understand what we mean so <.>w</.> we we're actually getting
      into quite an exciting time you know

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      um there <.>are</.> you will hear lots of opinions about what
      you <.>f</.> what maori feel about it but the maori i've talked
      to actually think it's quite an exciting time because with the m
      m p thing <&>7:00</&> we're going to be there's a process now
      available for us to actually put something in

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      <.>i'll</.> i'll take our own structure te reo ariari and n z e
      i <drawls>um</drawls>

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      that structure <.>ha</.> works on developing a relationship with
      your treaty partner and you discuss the issues er together but
      any maori issues you discuss and then you present and then you
      decide right

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      you want a budget line you sit down and we discuss it together
      we negotiate what type of budget line and that in principle is
      what we're trying <.>to</.> to um get going and i <.>f</.> think
      um judging <drawls>from</drawls> what jim anderton is saying and
      and what others are saying <O>voc</O> well jim bolger on last
      saturday night i think that's the direction that they're going
      to have to <&>8:00</&> move in a in a in which we are um we've
      been modelling and that's the that's <drawls>the</drawls>
      direction of cooperation of <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori>
      real <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori> and of real honest open
      communication

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      now um barney <.>w</.> what is the level of er of maori
      involvement in in say unions <.>es</.> especially at a a level
      like c t u

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      well since ninety eighty six obviously maori have not <.>the</.>
      <.>the</.> the level of maori participation has fallen simply
      because maori have lost jobs <.>more</.> a heck of lot more than
      nonmaori so <O>voc</O> if you're looking at the real
      implications there the amount of maori in the sense of numbers
      has fallen

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      the amount of active maori within the numbers that are still
      there has <.>i</.> i believe has actually risen <.>a</.>
      <&>9:00</&> <.>a</.> and <.>i</.> it can be directly attributed
      to some affiliates showing the good will and showing the
      farsightedness to actually resource and to actually empower
      those members within the union and within the structure that
      they have devised

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      there is <.>an</.> there is also a real commitment to <.>res</.>
      to resource in the terms of the <.>i</.> the ideas that they may
      have but haven't quite got <.>the</.> <,> <drawls>the</drawls>
      feeling of where they're actually <,> got to go next

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      i think <.>i</.> i think <.>o</.> what we've got <.>to</.> um
      understand now is that we don't have all the answers but we do
      have communication and we do have a feeling of good <&>10:00</&>
      will out there that <,> should <,> maori get together <O>voc</O>
      and discuss things that will be real for them that an answer
      will and a direction will appear

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      i'm not quite sure what this er our our union's direction will
      be as a result of this um hung parliament <.>a</.> or hung
      government as they're calling but i would imagine that there
      would be a <.>f</.> members out there who have worked really
      hard to see m m p members out there that have worked really hard
      to see a direction that stops the privatisation of our schools
      of our buildings of bulk funding and movements in that direction
      that actually <{><[>take</[> away workers' rights

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      i believe that <&>11:00</&> they will be there'll be another
      expectation that we will deliver on what we've actually said
      we'll do that in the turn will create <drawls>a</drawls>
      challenge and that type of challenge that we as maori have to do
      is is to take up the issues and actually walk with them and
      actually front up and make sure that the commitment by whatever
      government whatever decision making body is established is
      carried out

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      what are the implications of of this election <.>a</.> and <.>h</.>
      how does it um involve maori or how does it affect them

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      well over the next couple of days maori'll be looking hard at
      what actually happens to the state the state <.>re</.> housing
      rentals

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      it's going to happen because whatever whatever system
      <&>12:00</&> we've got in place right now THAT will still happen
      because that's been decided upon and it's in the process of
      being activated on and whether it becomes the responsibility of
      every m p in that particular area and the local maori or whether
      it becomes <?>the</?> responsibility of this new this <drawls>new</drawls>
      piecemeal government that we're going to put into place <,>
      every maori needs to make <.>themse</.> their situation known
      because that was the problem

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      i i think i heard i heard lange talking the other night about
      the fact that um <.>the</.> the processes um weren't followed
      accurately because some <O>voc</O> peer groups like to make a
      particular political point out of the thing

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      the point is for us we know that in state housing it will
      <&>13:00</&> affect maori more than nonmaori so we need to make
      that issue clear that they must be they must <,> let everyone
      know advertise it

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      they must not feel uncomfortable about making it public that
      they are not it's not going to work and that it needs addressing
      because if you don't it will happen without you actually knowing
      it and before you know it you're powerless

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      now part of empowering yourself is knowledge

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      let people know take the information to the people and ASK for
      help and people will give it

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      er i think <.>that</.> that's a direct issue

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      the another issue that is um <drawls><with creaky voice>being</with creaky voice></drawls>
      needs to be looked at closely is the stability thing because
      maori whether they like it not and i know derek fox won't like
      it but we are influenced by what the <.>ma</.> i m f and the
      <&>14:00</&> wider field actually want to do and anyone with a
      mortgage will know that because it's going to go up about one
      percent in the next week if we don't watch it

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      well it's going to happen

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      the point is even though national bank and a few others <?>haven't
      said it</?> it is a <.>m</.> only a matter of time

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      now um <.>there's</.> so maori need to actually look at those
      things

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      they need to get their hands around things like education and
      health and make sure that the things that <.>pe</.> all those
      political parties actually campaigned on are actually kept in
      <?>their front</?> because they're now starting the worst thing
      we need is a collaborative type <?>government</?> which actually
      gives away <O>voc</O> gives away so much that we actually don't
      er we feel a real betrayal about the whole thing so um i think
      we <.>n</.> also need to have a pride about ourselves

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      i think <?>er</?> you know we we need to accentuate the positive
      about ourselves

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      i think there's <&>15:00</&> more young maori out there and i've
      seen it that are getting clever

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      they're very wise to what's going on the decisions that are
      being made and they are actually not only wise about it but
      they're willing to actually get up and front up and speak to it
      in a wide public arena

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      we need we need to <.>pu</.> encourage those people

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      the last thing i would like to say <O>voc</O> and this is only a
      situation a model situation is <?><indig=Maori><.>ma</.></indig=Maori></?>
      the so called <indig=Maori>kaumatua</indig=Maori> status people
      actually slagging them and actually saying <indig=Maori>taihoa</indig=Maori>
      you know <indig=Maori>hei aha</indig=Maori>

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      we need to encourage <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori>

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      you're only gonna get <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori> if
      people do not feel that people you'll only get <indig=Maori>korero</indig=Maori>
      when people feel as though what they've got to say will be
      listened to and will be given the credence that it deserves and
      that's that's <&>16:00</&> really what it's about

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      um we actually got into quite an exciting time now and i i mean
      it in the sense that there are <?><.>b</.></?> good decisions
      and there are better decisions and there're even there are
      terrific decisions but there's not necessarily a bad bad
      decision now because there are quite good guidelines on on what
      has what is needed and what is not needed

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      i think one of the things if you're going to er level you know
      things at politics i would <.>ha</.> <O>voc</O> one of the
      concerns i have is the personalities that each of the leaders
      have and whether they can get past their own egos and their own
      personalities and actually <.>di</.> discuss the issues will be
      the challenge for each of them and we need <.>a</.> <.>we</.>
      <.>need</.> <.>and</.> <.>m</.> that will be the trial in the
      next two weeks whether they can convince our <.>a</.> our
      american people cos they're the fickle people

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      they're the people that want to pull their money out

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      all the others all my feedback has said that all the
      <&>17:00</&> other financial interests in the international
      think longterm and they can see past all the rubbish that has
      been put up by the media who i must say have done a <drawls>real</drawls>
      good <.>wa</.> job of campaigning for national and and and um
      isolating a lot of issues that really should have been on the
      front page and um but i better not be too hard on them

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      have maori um stepped up from <O>voc</O> say the plight they
      were in what two three weeks before the elections or has there
      been a change

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      <.>i</.> i think i think maori need to keep the button on <O>voc</O>
      in the terms of if they don't keep the button on someone'll take
      it away from the ground away from them and actually <.>t</.>
      actually use it for their needs <&>18:00</&>
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