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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      <indig=Maori>kia ora</indig=Maori> don

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      a very good morning to you

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      <indig=Maori>koutou ka whakarongo mai nga tena ra koutou katoa</indig=Maori>

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      the health research council in new zealand was set up under act
      in nineteen ninety

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      it's the major organisation supporting health related research
      in new zealand

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      it's <.>f</.> responsible for dispensing an <.>ad</.> <O>voc</O>
      administering government monies which are provided for this
      purpose and it acts as a national coordinating body for health
      research

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      underneath the council are certain statutory committees of which
      one is the maori health committee <,>

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      the maori health committee is <&>1:00</&> chaired by professor
      eru pomare

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      professor pomare has te ati awa ngati kahungunu rongomai wahine
      rongo whakata and ngati toa tribal connections he's a member of
      the health research council dean and director of the
      <indig=Maori>pumanawa haora</indig=Maori> wellington school of
      medicine and professor pomare joins me on the line from
      wellington this morning

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      eru pomare good morning

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      good morning

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      er you're the chairperson aren't you of the maori health
      committee of the er health research council of new zealand
      <latch>

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      <O>tut</O> that's correct

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      <.>c</.> can you tell me something about the background of the
      research council itself

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      <O>inhales</O> well the the research council will be er one of
      those many councils around that er most maori people have no
      <drawls>idea er</drawls> exists <O>tut</O> but in terms of er
      HEALTH research in new zealand it's the <O>inhales</O> it's the
      biggest single funder of er of research that we have

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      um it used to be called the medical research council of new
      zealand up until about i think it was <drawls>nineteen</drawls>
      ninety when <&>2:00</&> the <O>inhales</O> when a new act was er
      was brought <&>pronounced bought</&> into <drawls>play</drawls>
      er called the health research council act <O>inhales</O> and one
      of the reasons <drawls>for</drawls> er making a legislative
      change was that there was a feeling <drawls>that</drawls> more
      money needed to go out to support community research in other
      words the sort of public health research side of er things and
      there were other <&>pronounced as ather</&> issues too which
      were felt important and hadn't been specifically addressed in
      the past and one of those was maori health <O>inhales</O> and
      the other was related to to ethics <O>tut</O> so what in fact
      happened was that a er a new er health research council was
      formed in in nineteen ninety basically to coordinate er health
      research in the in the country to initiate <&>3:00</&> develop
      research help people er wanting to do er research and also the
      government gives a a large amount er of money towards health
      research and the council has a major responsibility for
      distributing that

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      that amounts to well something between fifteen and twenty
      million dollars er per year so that's quite a lot of money
      <latch>

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      yes so <.>are</.> are those areas of research er general
      research areas or are are there some very sort of specialist
      areas er involved eru <latch>

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      <O>tut</O> well there are quite a lot of er specialist um areas
      involved but basically <O>inhales</O> <drawls>um</drawls> the
      council would fund um any research provided the the quality of
      the research was er er was up to scratch

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      anything that related <drawls>er</drawls> to health and and some
      of the you know proposals that do come in you you know you have
      to stretch the imagination and say well what's that got to do
      with health <latch>

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      mm <latch>

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      but um er by <&>4:00</&> and large <drawls>the</drawls> the
      field which is covered is is very wide indeed

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      so <.>th</.> the role then of the maori health committee itself
      within the council what what are your primary objectives your
      your your primary roles as it <{><[>were</[>

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      <[><O>inhales</O></[></{> well we've actually <O>voc</O> i mean
      the the health research council act as <O>voc</O> with <.>ha</.>
      has got a <drawls>role</drawls> er for us and um it's a pretty
      broad one

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      it says that the principal functions of the health <drawls>er</drawls>
      committee shall be to advise council on health research into
      issues that affect maori people so that just about <snorts>you
      know</snorts> covers anything <{1><[1>that you</[1> can er you
      can think of that you know that has health and it has research
      er related to it and in effect we've sort of felt our way along
      <drawls>um er</drawls> sort of trying to respond to er you know
      what <drawls>er</drawls> what has come from the <&>5:00</&>
      community itself in terms of er needs <O>inhales</O>

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      i think the you know the two things that that really we've
      wanted to to get moving and er <.>i</.> is to try and do
      something about er upskilling our our people in terms <{2><[2>of</[2>
      research

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      you know not many of our people are actually in <drawls>er</drawls>
      have the have the <drawls>skills</drawls> er nor know where to
      you know to find those skills to try and help them and there's
      so much activity going on now in the health field

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      there's a great need for for people to look at what they're
      doing um and to er you know to check out whether it's er you
      know what they're doing is is good to evaluate it because at the
      end of the day when when when it comes to funding people'll say
      well we gave you some money before for that particular project
      er was it worth it and it's the sort evaluation and research
      skills which er are required by our people to to do those sort
      of tasks very <&>6:00</&> important

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      <[1><laughs>yes</laughs></[1></{1>

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      <[2>mhm</[2></{2>

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      do you then have to wait <.>f</.> for members of the community
      or groups or individuals to come to the committee then with
      their proposals with their research proposals or or or does your
      committee go out and look for people already with skills who
      perhaps <{1><[1>can</[1> carry out <.>s</.> er <{2><[2>research</[2>
      work

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      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yes</[2></{2>

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      <O>inhales</O> probably the i mean the the latter <O>tut</O>

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      what we have is that the committee itself meets usually about
      three or four <drawls>times</drawls> er a year

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      we have <drawls>er</drawls> two day meetings and we usually go
      to places not the main main centres but to places <drawls>um er</drawls>
      to <.>mao</.> maori communities where we can have have our
      normal sort of business er meeting but we always combine it with
      a <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori> at the at the same time

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      the last <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori> was down in um down in
      invercargill er but we've been been all over the show um er with
      the committee so <.>th</.> <.>th</.> <.>th</.> <.>th</.> council
      itself says oh you're the most expensive committee cos you keep
      travelling all over the place <&>7:00</&> but <O>inhales</O>
      actually we need to do that because er our <drawls>people</drawls>
      er don't know who we are what we're about that we in fact are
      able to help so that's one thing we do get out but <.>o</.>
      obviously not as much as we'd er like to do

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      the other is that we have a um maori um coordinator of research
      who is based in the health <drawls>research</drawls> council
      office itself in auckland chap called andrew er sporle <?>te
      rarawa mi</?> ngati apa and um <O>clears throat</O> his um task
      is to to respond to all the day to day needs that er our people
      may have in terms of providing information a about research er
      helping them to link with people who may be able to help with a
      particular area of expertise and we think that that's a very
      important um er function sort of like a BROKing function <{><[>really</[>
      you know people come with something and and we can help get them
      to the right <&>8:00</&> people because at the end of the day
      that's where we're going <drawls>to er</drawls> you know <.>f</.>
      find a lot of help for for our people

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      <[>yes</[></{>

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      well as your committee has moved around from <indig=Maori>marae</indig=Maori>
      to <indig=Maori>marae</indig=Maori> eru what sort of proposals
      have come out of those <indig=Maori>huis</indig=Maori> <O>voc</O>

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      <.>h</.> <.>h</.> has anything concrete actually developed
      within the research area

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      well i think so

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      i think one of the um the sort of things that've come out i mean
      people have been er amazed for a start that there is anything
      you know there is a body that can <laughs>actually</laughs> give
      away money

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      that <{><[>sort of you know perks up people immediately

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      there's a bit</[> of money there

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      how can we get our hands on it

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      that's the sort of usually the first er question but actually as
      people <?>think of</?> it you know and they think of their own
      skills and they say well <.>at</.> where can we learn about some
      of these things <O>inhales</O> and er so <O>tut</O> what some of
      the things that have come from the <indig=Maori>hui've</indig=Maori>
      have been been you know direct er requests of us to to hold
      <indig=Maori>HUI</indig=Maori> er around the country where
      <&>9:00</&> people can go to learn some of those skills even if
      it's something quite simple as how do you write an application
      <drawls>er for</drawls> for for some funding <drawls>er</drawls>
      and going on from that to designing er research proposals
      perhaps in a simple manner for a start but er er in a more
      complex er you know way later on so we've been spent quite a bit
      of time there've been quite a number of <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori>
      now er <.>i</.> mainly in auckland er and wellington er relating
      to um trying to get our people up to speed with respect to
      making successful applications to the um er to our committee <O>inhales</O>

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      now the other is there are have been specific projects which've
      been suggested and er er we've usually had to go through the
      stage of of helping er um you know get the <,> <&>10:00</&>
      proposals up to up to speed and they varied a lot <drawls>from</drawls>
      you know <drawls>from</drawls> one place to another and that
      probably is is um something that we shouldn't be surprised at

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      mental health <O>voc</O> <O>swallows</O> been one area where er
      people've required er wanted er more to be um done <O>inhales</O>

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      um the area of traditional um um medicines and er healing
      practices

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      there've been several people who've wanted to <O>inhales</O> to
      to get some er research in that area under way <O>inhales</O>

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      <drawls>um</drawls> <,> aids is a is a another area where we've
      had er you know people've wanted specifically wanted some work
      to be to be done in but probably the area where most help has
      been asked for is in the whole question of tribal health status

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      people are very anxious to know at this point in time what sort
      of er problems there are within a particular um <&>11:00</&>
      <indig=Maori>iwi</indig=Maori> or <indig=Maori>hapu</indig=Maori>
      and er they want to know how they go about that and this has um
      relevance with respect to you know funding cos people giving
      giving money say er crown health enterprises or regional health
      authorities they say well why should we give you that money

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      you know what is the problem there

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      have you got any idea and er if you DO if we do give you the
      money are you going to to know if you there has been any <?><.>r</.></?>
      you know good change as a result of that so that probably is the
      single <latch>

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      <[><laughs><unclear>word</unclear></laughs></[></{>

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      yes <latch>

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      area where we've had most um call on our on our funding which
      has come directly from the <indig=Maori>hui</indig=Maori> which
      we've had round the country <O>inhales</O> <latch>

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      are there in fact different needs er <.>be</.> between tribes
      eru are there

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      yes there are there are

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      i mean um <latch>

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      what sorts

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      <drawls>um</drawls> i think the you know in some some areas
      where where they've you know got tribal health status and and so
      forth um you know well <&>12:00</&> under under way they tended
      to focus then on on more specific er issues that <drawls>er er</drawls>
      that may be be affecting and they usually come down to specific
      <,> <O>tut</O> sort of er problems like er we want to
      concentrate on on asthma er you know in our area

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      we've er that's something which is um or or it might be er you
      know family er violence or something like that is is a
      particular issue so there is there is quite a lot of variation
      <drawls>um</drawls> around the the country and um <O>tut</O> um
      you can't sort of generalise you know to you know as to what
      sort of projects

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      if <{><[>you</[> were setting priorities for instance er you
      know and you came out and said well a b and c are what we should
      be spending our money in <O>inhales</O> <.>n</.> you know <O>inhales</O>
      what would happen would be that there'd be a whole lot of people
      say oh nah it's got no we we no don't want that

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      that's er not relevant to us and er and so forth so it
      <&>13:00</&> is i think it is there is quite a bit of regional
      variation

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      an applicant then who comes to the maori health committee with
      <{1><[1>a</[1> with with a particular project requesting er some
      sort of help or some <{2><[2>sort</[2> of <.>fu</.> funding
      particularly <.>d</.> do they have to have some some form of
      formal qualification before they can even sort of approach the
      committee

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      <[1>yes</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yes</[2></{2>

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      well no they don't

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      i think that's one of <drawls>the</drawls> um one of the things
      which is a little bit DIFFerent <drawls>to</drawls> to the way
      in which um other people applying to <drawls>the er</drawls>
      health research council for <.>f</.> funding <O>tut</O> <drawls>um</drawls>

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      for instance we've got quite a number of of grants and awards
      which are different to to what the main council er gives out and
      our people are are you know quite entitled to to apply <drawls>for
      er</drawls> you know the normal grants out of the council itself
      some of them which er which er which you know can be quite large
      <O>inhales</O>

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      well the sort of <&>14:00</&> things that we <O>tut</O> we want
      to try and do to get to people up and and running <O>tut</O> um
      is to to give small seeding grants

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      these are sort of to help our people develop research er
      proposals and and the funding for that might er er be put
      towards the cost <.>in</.> involved in seeking advice from
      experienced er researchers for instance or travelling to a
      particular place to to DO that research <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      <[>that's <.>even</.></[></{> that that's even before they
      actually begin the <latch>

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      oh <{><[>yeah <?>they tend to be</?></[>

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      <[>the the project itself</[></{> yes <latch>

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      they might have an idea <{><[>they</[> might have an idea don't
      have to have any particular qualifications

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      <.>w</.> all we would say is that <O>inhales</O> they should at
      least be um er you know interested in health and and advantage
      in in having worked in the area and you know most people who're
      who are seeking grants have those those qualifications anyway
      <O>tut</O> but these are just some funding up to five thousand
      dollars to enable people to to get things <&>15:00</&> <?><.>start</.></?>
      go to people find out what it's about and er and try and get
      themselves on the on the track

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      now let's suppose that <O>swallows</O> they got er you know good
      advice and they're able to get a um a project er um er <O>voc</O>
      properly <.>s</.> properly worked out <O>inhales</O>

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      they may then want to put in an application for what we call a
      small grant

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      er these are up to twenty five thousand dollars but at the
      moment we're we're trying to increase that to to fifty thousand
      dollars because your dollars don't go far these days <latch>

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      <[>yes</[></{>

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      <laughs>yes</laughs> <latch>

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      <drawls>and</drawls> um these are <drawls>for</drawls> what we
      call small research projects um usually of a year's er duration
      and er they're they're contestable and um we've er so that's the
      sort of next stage on and <{><[>then</[> you know people who're
      successful in that may <&>16:00</&> get a you know get a good
      pilot under way and and finished and say at the end of it think
      oh gosh there are a number of other questions i want to do now
      or i want this to sort of develop into something bigger and er
      er put in for <O>voc</O> what i'd <O>voc</O> a health research
      council project grant er <O>voc</O> for which there's <O>swallows</O>
      really i shouldn't say no limit cos there obviously will be a
      limit but grants in <drawls>the er</drawls> you know order of er
      hundred two hundred thousand dollars are are the sort of average
      er grants er that are given out by the health research council
      at the present time

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      we got many many grants that might go you know into the million
      million dollars <&>16:44</&>

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