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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      now <,> to four billion dollars and on its way to five billion
      dollars

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      why did he tell them that he was a minister that couldn't get
      confidence up and interest rates down

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      the honourable david caygill

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      i <.>didn't</.> i didn't tell them what the member suggests

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      i should have told them because it wouldn't

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      <{><[>order</[> <,>

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      order <latch>

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      <[>because</[></{> because it wouldn't have been true to do so
      <,>

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      it wouldn't have been correct to say that our growth rate is
      only a tenth of that of our trading partners

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      the reserve bank have forecast only in the last two days <,> er
      <{1><[1>a growth</[1> rate of two percent for the year ending
      march nineteen ninety

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      that certainly won't be a tenth that of our a tenth that of our
      trading partners

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      i remind the member that when her government had the opportunity
      to do so they managed to <.>pr</.> for the decade prior to
      nineteen eighty four they <&>1:00</&> managed to produce a
      growth rate of nought point two percent a year

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      nought point two percent a year for <{2><[2>a decade</[2>

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2> <,>

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      <drawls><loudly>order</loudly></drawls> <,>

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      order

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      the questions on these issues i've noticed have tended to become
      more mini debates than than questions and answers and that's <,>

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      well that might be fun but we need to change the standing orders
      if we're going to allow for that and that's because er other
      members feel er obliged to join in by er offering their <,>
      tuppence worth and and that tends to distract the member and the
      <,> <{><[>the member trying to ask the them</[>

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      well some of the <drawls>contributions</drawls> might be out of
      date as well

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      but the but the the point is we <,> do tend to get more noise
      than than is desirable for both the questioner or the minister

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      er supplementary elizabeth tennet

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      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

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      did the minister also outline to the wellington chamber of
      commerce what the effects on the <&>2:00</&> economy would be of
      a one billion dollar lost from taxation revenue of a one billion
      dollar increase in government expenditure therefore accounting
      for a two billion dollar <,> er loss of expenditure shortfall

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      and did he explain where <.>the</.> where the money would come
      from

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      the honourable david <{><[>caygill</[>

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      <[>mister</[></{> speaker no i have to tell the member that i
      didn't outline that er because this government has no intention
      of behaving er in that irresponsible fashion

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      er mister speaker er had i thought there was the remotest
      prospect of the opposition getting into office i might well have
      warned the chamber against that

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      question two earl patrick

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      thank you mister speaker my question is to the minister for
      state owned enterprises

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      <reads>what is the latest estimate <,> he has of the cost
      overrun on the clyde dam and how does that amount affect the
      viability of the project</reads>

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      the honourable <{><[>richard prebble</[>

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      <[><drawls>mister</drawls></[></{> speaker under the provisions
      of the state owned enterprises <&>3:00</&> act all operational
      decisions of an s o e are the responsibility of its board

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      accordingly the electricity corporation not the shareholding
      ministers are responsible for decisions relating to the clyde
      dam including decisions relating to the viability of the project

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      supplementary question

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      earl patrick <,,>

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      does that mean that the project is still viable or does it mean
      that it's going to be added to the great long sad litany <{1><[1>of
      think</[1> big <{2><[2>disasters</[2>

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2> <,>

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      order well the the first er part certainly is in order

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      the honourable richard prebble <,,><&>3</&>

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      er <.>whi</.> <.>whi</.> <.>whi</.> which bit's er

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      first the first part <{><[>if the project is still viable</[>

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      <[>oh the <unclear>word</unclear> factors</[></{>

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      the <drawls>mister</drawls>

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      <?>the bit of the dam that's there</?>

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      mister speaker <.>the</.> the the indications <,> are that
      providing <.>tha</.> that the work can be done <,> er the <.>pro</.>
      the project er will still be a a <.>wor</.> it'll be worthwhile
      er switching it on

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      er <&>4:00</&> though <.>i</.> though it's been <.>pu</.> put to
      me that if one

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      it's still viable as a really longterm project even if you don't
      because we'll be able to persuade tourists in two thousand years
      time it was a pyramid and they'll come and look at it

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      supplementary question mister speaker

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      doug kidd

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      supplementary question

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      <?>bob hope</?>

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      has the minister <,> er inquired of the chief executive
      electricorp <,> er as <drawls>to</drawls> the <.>s</.> public
      statement by the chief executive that they <&>drawl</&> at the
      time of purchase from the crown er <.>prov</.> allowed in their
      thinking three million dollars ONly er for remedial works er as
      compared with the figures now being touted about by the
      government with gay <&>pronounced as grey</&> abandon

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      the honourable richard prebble

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      gay abandon <{><[><?>sorry</?></[>

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      <[><drawls>mister</drawls></[></{> speaker

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      <.>i</.> <.>t</.> the chief whip was er looking concerned <{><[>there</[>

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      <[>well</[></{> well <,> with regard to the figures being touted
      around

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      one of the reasons why <.>i</.> why i <&>5:00</&> didn't give to
      the house <,> some some figures is because one one has to <.>s</.>
      <.>e</.> establish a year <,>

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      because it's one of the problems with the clyde dam <,> project
      it's been around so long <,> that that i have seen suggestions
      in nineteen eighty four figures then nineteen then nineteen
      ninety figures and people not and not explaining er <.>tha</.>
      that they that some of the increase is due to is due to the fact
      that they're <.>com</.> not comparing er year with year and i
      didn't want to join in to that and that's why i didn't give any
      er figures but if the member wants to i can i can give him er
      figures to <latch>

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      <unclear>word</unclear> <{><[><?>eighteen months ago</?></[>

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      <[>order

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      order</[></{>

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      question three ruth richardson

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      speaker my question is directed to the minister of finance and
      asks <,> <reads>in light of the comments by the national bank
      chief economist <.>garo</.> <?>gerold carojolu</?> following the
      release of the bank's survey showing business confidence at an
      eighteen month low that the <&>6:00</&> government had missed a
      massive opportunity with the twenty march statement

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      what action if any does he intend to take in response to that
      assessment</reads>

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      the honourable david caygill

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      mister speaker er the national bank's chief economist also went
      on to say that despite the shortterm gloom the economy is set to
      boom

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      he said that it was important to understand that even if nothing
      else is done er come september there will be a significant drop
      in inflation significant drop in interest rates and we are
      seeing massive opportunities he said opening up in australia for
      our manufacturing simply because they are not doing anything
      about their inefficiencies and we've already done a lot

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      supplementary mister <{><[>speaker</[>

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      <[>ruth</[></{> richardson

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      mister speaker does the minister understand that he's going to
      go on getting these sorts of adverse assessments so long as he
      fails to take any steps that get business confidence up and
      <&>7:00</&> interest rates down

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      the honourable david caygill

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      mister speaker er <drawls>i</drawls> understand from the list of
      indicators that i gave the member earlier er that in fact the
      real economy is recovering er whatever the pessimism of the
      business <{><[>community</[>

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      <[>nobody</[></{> believes that

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      the right honourable geoffrey palmer

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      what does the <{><[>minister say</[> about the opposition's
      contribution to the spirit of negativism in relation to the
      economy

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      <[>order</[></{>

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      the honourable <{><[>david</[> caygill

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      <[>mister speaker</[></{>

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      mister speaker that is a very <.>im</.> that is a very
      instructive question

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      <{1><[1><?>but</?></[1> the fact is the fact is mister speaker
      that the opposition believe it is an <{2><[2>appropriate</[2>
      contribution to <{3><[3>economic</[3> policy <latch>

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      <[3>order</[3></{3>

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      a point of order <,>

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      order <,> <drawls>order</drawls>

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      a point of order

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      the honourable george gair

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      what ministerial responsibility has the minister of finance for
      the opposition's position

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      mister speaker <quickly>speaking to the point of order</quickly>

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      er <{><[>mister speaker</[>

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      <[>the honourable</[></{> david caygill

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      mister speaker <{1><[1>when</[1> the opposition go around this
      country persistently <?>poor</?> <&>8:00</&> mouthing this <{2><[2>economy
      <,></[2> and it damages and undermines confidence <{3><[3>i most</[3>
      certainly do have a <{4><[4><?>ministerial</[4> responsibility</?>

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>nonsense</[2></{2>

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      <[3>order</[3></{3>

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      <[4><loudly>order</loudly></[4></{4>

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      <loudly>order</loudly>

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      speaking to the point of <{><[>order</[>

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      <[><drawls><loudly>order</loudly></drawls></[></{> <,,>

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      order

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      speaking <{><[>to the point of order</[>

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      <[><?>not allowed</?></[></{> to talk to people in the gallery

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      speaking to the point of <{><[>order</[> mister speaker

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      <[>well <.>t</.></[></{>

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      yes <{><[>to the</[> point of order the honourable mister jim
      bolger

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      <[>speaker</[></{>

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      speaker i would like to submit that the er the minister has no
      responsibilities to answer the question that her er desired to
      respond to but er he's clearly misguided in it anyhow

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      in the sense that the er subSTANtive criticism that's been made
      out there have been made by professional economists from the
      likes of berl integrated economic services er independent
      economist len bayliss the <{1><[1>reserve bank's</[1> own report

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      they're the ones who are all identifying that the economy that
      we <{2><[2>take</[2> over at the end of this year will be worse
      than it was when labour <&>8:57</&> <{3><[3>became</[3>
      government in nineteen eighty four

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      <[1>order order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      <[3>order</[3></{3>

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      order

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      the <,> <drawls><loudly>order</loudly></drawls>

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      it's all there

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      order <,,> <loudly>order</loudly>

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      we've er had a couple of mini er speeches now in this er in this
      session

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      er the the minister has responsibility for information and
      assessments which er which the government makes

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      er but he's not allowed to be asked for an opinion

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      now the er perhaps the <,> perhaps the if the prime minister <.>re</.>
      represents the question <,>

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      order order <,>

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      right honourable geoffrey palmer

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      i submit that the question i asked was perfectly in order

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      what i asked was what does the minister have to say aBOUT the
      atmosphere of negativism promoted by the opposition

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      now i submit that that is in order <,>

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      for the reason that the question the supplementary question
      asked by the member for selwyn was reading out all the factors
      of negativism that she could <&>10:00</&> find what did <{1><[1>the</[1>
      minister have to say about that <{2><[2><,>

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      it's</[2> perfectly <{3><[3>in order to analyse the opposition's</[3>
      view <{4><[4>on it</[4> as well

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yes order</[2></{2>

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      <[3>mister speaker mister speaker</[3></{3>

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      <[4>order</[4></{4>

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      order

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      <loudly>order</loudly> order <,>

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      <loudly>order <,>

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      order</loudly> <,,>

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      order if er <,> <.>i</.>

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      when i heard the the question the first time i thought that it
      was in order

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      the

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      when the member for er north shore then raised a point of order
      he took the view that the the government was being asked to
      comment on or to accept responsibility for matters which were
      not its matters which were the national party's er er
      responsibility

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      now subsequently i think we've had a couple of comments on
      variety of economic indicators but the the <,> member for selwyn
      as the as the prime minister said the member for selwyn's
      question related to the er views of others and the <&>11:00</&>
      minister's comments on those

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      and i think in in that light the prime minister's question as i
      allowed it the first time was in order <,>

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      order

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      the

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      if the if if if if people want to ask ministers er quote a
      number of things to them and then say what do they say about
      that or have to say about that then i think we have to allow
      that type of question

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      that's and that that in essence was what the question was <,,>

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      well <,,>

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      well the order the <,,>

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      yes the i think i think it was er <,> it was another comment on
      the economy <,>

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      a brief answer then the honourable david caygill

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      mister speaker what i have to say about this sort of negative
      campaigner is is that

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      what i have to say about this sort of negative campaign mister
      speaker is that six six years ago this country had fifteen
      percent <.>in</.> <&>12:00</&> inflation and it had it for a
      decade

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      we now have four percent inflation <,>

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      er six years <{1><[1>six</[1> years ago <,> SIX years ago we had
      <,> we had interest rates rents dividends wages and prices under
      under control

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      we no longer have them controlled and in many and in many
      instances they are lower than they <{2><[2>were</[2> then

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      <{3><[3>six</[3> years ago we had <{4><[4>three</[4> billion
      dollar deficit

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      <{5><[5>we had to virtually eliminate it</[5>

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      <[3>order</[3></{3>

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      <[4>order</[4></{4>

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      <[5>order mister

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      <unclear>word</unclear> sit down</[5></{5>

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      order <,>

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      order <&>12:34</&>
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