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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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  <WSC#DGU010:0005:PD>
      but you know mister speaker the attitude that we've seen from
      the member for fendalton this afternoon <,> isn't something
      that's new

  <WSC#DGU010:0010:PD>
      it is typical of the longstanding conTEMPT for law and order <,>
      that the national party have shown over ALL of the years that
      they were in government and over their time in opposition to
      date

  <WSC#DGU010:0015:PD>
      mister speaker the reALity is <,> that that party has NO
      commitment to the rule of law

  <WSC#DGU010:0020:PD>
      has no interest in law and order except as some <.>tub</.>
      thumping election issue

  <WSC#DGU010:0025:PD>
      mister speaker let's talk about some of the issues that they've
      paraded about recently

  <WSC#DGU010:0030:PD>
      we see unctuous concern from the opposition now sidling up to
      the police trying to demonstrate their commitment their
      solidarity

  <WSC#DGU010:0035:PD>
      call it what you like <&>1:00</&> with the police over their
      superannuation issue

  <WSC#DGU010:0040:PD>
      but mister speaker it's not SO long ago that the police in this
      country were pleased to see the rid of ben couch and his
      colleagues because of the progress that WASn't being made on the
      national party's early <.>retiremen</.> on the <,> the police
      <.>t</.> request for an early retirement package and for a basic
      salary review

  <WSC#DGU010:0045:PD>
      and when ann hercus became the minister of police sir <,>
      according to bob moody the police association secretary she was
      able to do more for the police in two weeks that the national
      party had done in two years and that <,> she in that two week
      period was able to reverse ten years of neglect of the police
      services of this country under a national government

  <WSC#DGU010:0050:PD>
      now mister speaker that's the party of law and order

  <WSC#DGU010:0055:PD>
      that's the party we see parading its concern in the house this
      afternoon

  <WSC#DGU010:0060:PD>
      but it doesn't stop there sir <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0065:PD>
      in the nine years that they were the <&>2:00</&> government they
      didn't go around OPening police stations

  <WSC#DGU010:0070:PD>
      they keep talking now about the requirement for more police

  <WSC#DGU010:0075:PD>
      but the reality was sir in their years in government they closed
      police station

  <WSC#DGU010:0080:PD>
      they closed eleven police stations over that period <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0085:PD>
      sir under this government we are seeing an <{1><[1>extension of
      community</[1> policing and we're going to see more community
      police stations opened under this minister and this government

  <WSC#DGU010:0090:PD>
      complete contrast sir to the policy followed by the national
      party the so called party of law and order

  <WSC#DGU010:0095:PD>
      now mister speaker they had nine years in power and they did
      nothing about violent crime that they say they're so concerned
      about now <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0100:PD>
      in six years in office sir we've made <,> seven major amendments
      to the laws governing violent crime in new zealand

  <WSC#DGU010:0105:PD>
      we've increased the penalties for offences involving knives and
      firearms and we've made the carrying of knives in a public place
      <,> <.>a</.> an offence

  <WSC#DGU010:0110:PD>
      mister speaker we've also changed the <&>3:00</&> law to allow
      for the electronic surveillance of crime

  <WSC#DGU010:0115:PD>
      and i want to know why the national party wasn't interested in
      doing that

  <WSC#DGU010:0120:PD>
      the national party that can throw charges and smears around of
      corruption <,> singularly quiet on the subject <,> of more <,>
      coherent policing of organised crime in new zealand

  <WSC#DGU010:0125:PD>
      mister speaker we were the government through the criminal
      justice act in nineteen eighty five that introduced a legal
      presumption of imprisonment for violent criminals

  <WSC#DGU010:0130:PD>
      we were the government sir that made <,> the minimum period of
      life imprisonment ten years not seven years

  <WSC#DGU010:0135:PD>
      we were the government sir that said that parole would no longer
      be automatically available for serious violent offences and that
      drugs and alcohol <,> could no longer be used <,> in mitigation
      of sentences <&>pronounced as senses</&> er of sentence

  <WSC#DGU010:0140:PD>
      we the government sir that dramatically improved the rape laws
      in this country that increased the penalties

  <WSC#DGU010:0145:PD>
      we were the government that improved the laws relating to riot
      and brought in increased controls over <&>4:00</&> drinking
      offences in public

  <WSC#DGU010:0150:PD>
      sir we were the government that did things

  <WSC#DGU010:0155:PD>
      the national party has been the government in its years in
      office that simply paraded conscience

  <WSC#DGU010:0160:PD>
      now mister speaker we have done more in the last six years to
      give substance to a concern about law and order than the
      national party has ever done

  <WSC#DGU010:0165:PD>
      sir we established the roper commission under the distinguished
      high court judge sir <?>clinton</?> roper to look
      comprehensively at violent offending in our society

  <WSC#DGU010:0170:PD>
      and we have implemented the recommendations of his report and
      we're now working through the recommendations of his second
      report on the prison system

  <WSC#DGU010:0175:PD>
      mister speaker in the decade that the national government was in
      office <,> overall reported crime in this country <,> rose by
      about eighty percent <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0180:PD>
      under this government last year for the FIRST time since the
      early nineteen sixties <&>5:00</&> overall reported crime fell

  <WSC#DGU010:0185:PD>
      the proof of the pudding sir is very much in the <{2><[2>eating
      <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0190:PD>
      sir in the</[2> last six years of the national government there
      there was a two thirds increase in the level of violent crime
      <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0195:PD>
      last year in the last three years alone it was a three a thirty
      percent increase

  <WSC#DGU010:0200:PD>
      it's been past that level of increase <{3><[3><unclear>word</unclear></[3>
      <{4><[4>the years</[4> <{5><[5>that we have been in government
      <,></[5>

  <WSC#DGU010:0205:PD>
      mister speaker our commitment to law and order transcends their
      tub thumping oratory

  <WSC#DGU010:0210:PD>
      transcends their lack of substance

  <WSC#DGU010:0215:PD>
      we've improved the court <&>pronounced as cot</&> system

  <WSC#DGU010:0220:PD>
      we've improved the prison system

  <WSC#DGU010:0225:PD>
      we've tackled problems relating to white collar crime

  <WSC#DGU010:0230:PD>
      we set up the serious fraud office sir

  <WSC#DGU010:0235:PD>
      the national party wasn't even interested in the matter

  <WSC#DGU010:0240:PD>
      we brought in new laws to punish and prevent computer crime

  <WSC#DGU010:0245:PD>
      the national party not interested in that

  <WSC#DGU010:0250:PD>
      in fact there's a very strong suspicion that they've been
      involved in their own form of computer crime in the past

  <WSC#DGU010:0255:PD>
      mister speaker <&>6:00</&> we're involved in reviews now of
      companies <,> securities legislation

  <WSC#DGU010:0260:PD>
      we indicated in the twentieth of march economic statement that a
      major reform of the companies act will be brought before the
      house this year

  <WSC#DGU010:0265:PD>
      we've had the russell committee looking through the whole
      question of er insider trading nominee shareholding issues as a
      result of issues that were identified following the nineteen
      eighty seven sharemarket crash and we will implement those
      recommendations

  <WSC#DGU010:0270:PD>
      sir this government has not spent its time idly talking about
      law and order and when stuck for an argument we haven't <O>inhales</O>
      resorted to the sort of grupper <&>blending of grubby and gutter</&>
      grubby gutter tactics of the member for fendalton and all his
      colleagues

  <WSC#DGU010:0275:PD>
      what we have done sir is concentrate on the issues and the proud
      record that we've got in terms of bringing law and order to new
      zealand in terms of toughening up the penalties the member for
      whangarei is so keen to talk about but was part of a government
      that did nothing about stamps this government sir <&>7:00</&> as
      the strongest government this country's had in terms of its
      commitment to the rule of law

  <WSC#DGU010:0280:PD>
      and i reckon sir if we wanted to steal the <?>phrase</?> of the
      leader of the opposition which we don't we could proudly claim
      to be the developers of the decent society because we've been
      the government that put our money where our mouth is

  <WSC#DGU010:0285:PD>
      we've been the government that's increased the resources
      available

  <WSC#DGU010:0290:PD>
      we've inCREASED the penalties

  <WSC#DGU010:0295:PD>
      we've enSURED sir that new zealanders are safer in their streets
      and the next step we will take sir in the next three years will
      be the <.>ens</.> to ensure that new zealanders become even
      safer from the types of scurrilous unsubstantiated wildly
      inaccurate charges thrown around by the likes of the member for
      fendalton

  <WSC#DGU010:0300:PD>
      let me conclude on this point sir

  <WSC#DGU010:0305:PD>
      if the member for fendalton had any commitment to the points
      that he was making or was confident that there was any substance
      in the allegations he was making he would have presented the <.>info</.>
      information to the police <{6><[6>rather than</[6> to this house
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGU010:0310:XS>
      <[1><drawls>order</drawls></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGU010:0315:XS>
      <[2>order order <unclear>word</unclear></[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGU010:0320:PE>
      <[3>mister speaker</[3></{3>

  <WSC#DGU010:0325:XS>
      <[4>order</[4></{4>

  <WSC#DGU010:0330:PE>
      <[5>mister speaker <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0335:PE>
      oh yeah <.>i</.> <.>i</.></[5></{5>

  <WSC#DGU010:0340:PE>
      <[6><?>oh yes</?></[6></{6>

  <WSC#DGU010:0345:PE>
      mister <laughs>speaker</laughs> there was an element there was
      an element of desperation about that speech from the member
      <&>8:00</&> for ohariu

  <WSC#DGU010:0350:PE>
      you know he talked about how well the police were doing

  <WSC#DGU010:0355:PE>
      the last national government added one thousand extra police to
      the police force this government is imposing police CUTS

  <WSC#DGU010:0360:PE>
      and then he said that he said that the labour government had
      increased the period that a murderer must spend in jail

  <WSC#DGU010:0365:PE>
      do you know i move legislation in this <O>voc</O> house on two
      occasions to do that and this government voted against it

  <WSC#DGU010:0370:PE>
      and the criminal justice act which he trumpeted about do you
      know that was already drawn up by the <laughs>previous</laughs>
      national government ready for introduction

  <WSC#DGU010:0375:PE>
      and what else has he voted against measures to control the gangs
      the government voted against <?><.>mol</.></?> it was too tough
      on the gangs

  <WSC#DGU010:0380:PE>
      increasing the rape penalty government voted against that as
      well

  <WSC#DGU010:0385:PE>
      what did they do corporate fraud he says

  <WSC#DGU010:0390:PE>
      every new zealander can remember the prime minister as minister
      of justice coming to this house and saying to the people of new
      zealand your <&>9:00</&> investment is safe with r s l <,>

  <WSC#DGU010:0395:PE>
      what happened <?>with <.>a</.></?> couple of weeks it had
      collapsed and they'd lost their life savings

  <WSC#DGU010:0400:PE>
      they have only moved on corporate fraud two years after the
      people have had their savings stripped away from them because
      they'd been exposed by an opposition as failing to take
      responsible government action <O>tut</O>

  <WSC#DGU010:0405:PE>
      now the minister of justice spent his time talking about the
      prison strike

  <WSC#DGU010:0410:PE>
      i would have thought as far as he was concerned that was best
      forgotten

  <WSC#DGU010:0415:PE>
      he had to get the prime minister in to fix it

  <WSC#DGU010:0420:PE>
      and it only got as bad as it did because of three reasons

  <WSC#DGU010:0425:PE>
      one there was a complete lack of consultation on the part of the
      government with the prison officers

  <WSC#DGU010:0430:PE>
      two they brought in a bill to reduce superannuation by forty
      percent aggrieved everybody and then buckled at the last minute
      reduced it to thirty percent after strike <&>10:00</&> notice
      had been given

  <WSC#DGU010:0435:PE>
      and then three they gave false information to the court about
      the timetable for the passage of the legislation

  <WSC#DGU010:0440:PE>
      a very sorry state of affairs and no wonder the prison officers
      were so disgruntled

  <WSC#DGU010:0445:PE>
      and so the issue became so embarrassing that the government
      turned down an opposition application in this chamber to debate
      the matter even though they conceded that because of their
      mishandling there were criminals who were being released on bail
      who would otherwise have been kept in custody

  <WSC#DGU010:0450:PE>
      and even though they said they had some contingency plans but
      they refused to put them before the public of new zealand and
      reassure law abiding citizens what was going to be done in the
      event of this strike being more protracted <O>tut</O>

  <WSC#DGU010:0455:PE>
      so i would say it is a very very embarrassing debate for
      <&>11:00</&> this government

  <WSC#DGU010:0460:PE>
      and what i have to say of course is the <.>o</.> the reason that
      they're so desperate is cos they know that we have a law and
      order <.>po</.> policy that has massive support from north cape
      to the bluff and they know we are committed to it

  <WSC#DGU010:0465:PE>
      they know that when we have a national party conference our
      spokesman on police doesn't get hissed and booed as happens at a
      labour party conference

  <WSC#DGU010:0470:PE>
      they know that the national party is committed to law and order

  <WSC#DGU010:0475:PE>
      they're worried about the erosion of their support so they're
      trying to scramble some of it back today <O>sniffs</O>

  <WSC#DGU010:0480:PE>
      mister speaker <O>tut</O> this is the last chance in a general
      debate to talk about the issues that are affecting this
      parliament and the political parties

  <WSC#DGU010:0485:PE>
      now the starting point for any debate of that nature would have
      to be the public opinion polls

  <WSC#DGU010:0490:PE>
      and i'm sorry to say that these polls clearly reflect the fact
      that the government's coming apart at the seams

  <WSC#DGU010:0495:PE>
      the <&>12:00</&> morale is actually rock bottom

  <WSC#DGU010:0500:PE>
      and i feel sorry for them because some of them are nice chaps
      but the morale is actually rock bottom and it's not good for the
      country

  <WSC#DGU010:0505:PE>
      i want to offer them some constructive advice

  <WSC#DGU010:0510:PE>
      i think they're on the right track when they're plotting to
      change their leadership

  <WSC#DGU010:0515:PE>
      i know that the member for christchurch north has been under er
      some er cloud in this particular debate but i want to say to
      government members he's still their best chance

  <WSC#DGU010:0520:PE>
      he understands the working class

  <WSC#DGU010:0525:PE>
      he can speak for the traditional labour supporter

  <WSC#DGU010:0530:??>
      hear hear

  <WSC#DGU010:0535:PE>
      now mister speaker he might have lost some of his caucus support
      by the <laughs>extravagant</laughs> claim that he was going to
      spearhead an attack to save anzac day <laughs>which i have to
      say</laughs> was somewhat amusing seeing it came from six
      thousand feet in the stratosphere and he was heading in the
      wrong direction <O>laughter</O> <latch>

  <WSC#DGU010:0540:PE>
      but putting that to one side i have to say that their best
      chance lies with the member for christchurch north <&>12:59</&>
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