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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

  <&>side one</&>
  <&>6:10</&>
  

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      jenny kirk

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      in rising to speak in the general <.>d</.> debate today on the
      theme of law and order <,> and resources for our police
      department i would like to remind the house of one or two
      factual matters <.>covering</.> concerning the opposition when
      IT was in government its record when in government on law and
      order issues

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      national mister speaker when it was in government was wimpish on
      law and order

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      it was dealing at the time with a reported crime increase of
      almost eighty percent eighty percent between nineteen seventy
      five and nineteen eighty four

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      and it had an elderly and tired out police force

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      and what did it do

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      what did it do mister speaker

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      nothing

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      for almost ten years it did nothing

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      it wasn't until labour became government that the <&>7:00</&>
      early retirement package that the police had been asking for for
      years came into being

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      and this allowed older police officers who were tired and
      stressed from years of frontline work to retire early with
      dignity and with a generous remuneration

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      in two weeks mister speaker the former minister of police missus
      ann hercus did more for police than national had done in the
      preceding two years

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      that's according to former police association secretary bob
      mooney

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      in fact he said at that time that the police had suffered ten
      years ten years of abject neglect from the national government

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      and is it likely that they will do any better when if very much
      of if they ever become a government again

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      not on your nelly

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      their projected policies show they are as asleep on law and
      order as they were during the nineteen seventy five eighty four
      decade

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      and in <&>8:00</&> that decade national introduced no
      legislation to combat violent crime and labour's record stands
      proud in five years with at least seven different pieces of
      legislation

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      national closed eleven police stations and we under labour are
      busily reopening them

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      there was a community police station <.>base</.> base opened
      just recently in the highbury shopping centre in birkenhead

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      um and it's just like many others around the country where where
      um we are busily reopening community police bases

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      and we have encouraged a return to community policing and
      neighbourhood support

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      national's record mister speaker on gang problems is abysmal

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      there were no social <.>messa</.> measures to deal with the
      problems of gangs and violence on a nationwide basis during
      their term of office and labour has established the roper
      committee and has set to work ever since on implementing those
      recommendations <&>9:00</&>

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      <O>tut</O> and mister speaker people have to ask themselves what
      of the present national party members and their proposals to
      combat violence and crime

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      how much credibility do we give them

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      how much credibility can we give them

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      not much when all they are doing is copycatting labour policies
      which are already in place

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      and not much when they have such people as the member for
      whangarei who purports to speak for law and order but who
      instead advocates disorder anarchy and violence

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      this was the member who told striking police officers just the
      other prison officers just the other day to keep THEIR
      industrial action going

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      HE knew that that was an incitement to create further disorder
      and chaos in our jails and in our society

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      it was a <.>r</.> irresponsible action

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      it was disgraceful from the so called law and order crusader
      from whangarei

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      but that's just the <&>10:00</&> sort of politics we expect from
      that member after all that's the very same member who once
      described himself as a political cockroach creeping around in
      the subculture of politics at floor level

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      a political cockroach he called himself

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      mister speaker my pocket oxford dictionary states that <recites>a
      cockroach is a dark brown beetle like insect <drawls>infesting
      rooms</drawls> such as especially kitchens and bathrooms

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      and infestation means harmful persons or things such as vermin
      overrunning places</recites>

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      and it is this sort of member the selfconfessed political
      cockroach who pretends to have a concern for new zealand and new
      zealanders but whose actions and and words belie his stated
      <&>11:00</&> concern

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      that's the member who went close to a contempt of court charge
      in leaking details a few years ago from the wanganui computer

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      and he pontificates on law and order but his own actions are
      those of a <drawls>selfstyled</drawls> political cockroach who
      helps create disorder and chaos

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      and that's that's the opposition spokesman on law and order who
      makes a mockery of this country's law rule of law through his
      own actions and he makes a <.>c</.> mockery of his own party's
      wish for a decent society

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      in fact he doesn't even know how to behave in a decent society

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      just a <.>whi</.> short while ago i witnessed in in a select
      committee the member for whangarei having a tantrum having a
      tantrum in a very public place in a select committee in front of
      the press and public a most disgraceful little <{><[>exhibition

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      he <.>did</.></[>

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      <[>er a point of</[></{> order <&>12:00</&> order a point of
      order <{><[>mister <?>the honourable <&>name</&></?></[>

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      <[>order mister speaker</[></{>

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      i'm not sure whether <{1><[1>the</[1> said select committee has
      reported back to the house but i think the line of argument the
      member for birkenhead is pursuing er could lead to disorder

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      the second point i wanted to raise was in reference to her
      comment about a a er legal proceeding in the high court which
      involved the member of parliament for whangarei and the charges
      in that case mister speaker were thrown out by none other than
      the chief justice

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      <{2><[2>now i</[2> just raise those two <{3><[3>points</[3>

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      i could raise <{4><[4>others but i think the member for
      birkenhead</[4> should worry about her own electorate

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      <[1><O>clears throat</O></[1></{1>

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      <[2><O>tut</O> <.>s</.></[2></{2>

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      <[3>right</[3></{3>

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      <[4>speaking to the

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      point of order mister speaker</[4></{4>

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      yes <{><[>er</[>

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      <[><.>spea</.></[></{> <{><[>speaking to the point of order</[>

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      <[>and and one or two other things</[></{> <{><[>of relevance</[>

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      <[>yeah well <.>spea</.></[></{> speaking to the point of order
      jenny kirk <latch>

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      yes er mister speaker i would like to um mention that the um
      behaviour of <.>s</.> <&>13:00</&> member for <.>ong</.>
      whangarei was a matter of public record

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      there there there's a article in the um herald of the seventh of
      march which um i would be prepared to table in the house

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      well as far as the er the first point of order that was raised
      is concerned of course if members members refer to proceedings
      which have not yet been reported back then er er they're out of
      order

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      but i gather the member was the member wasn't actually referring
      to the proCEEdings of the committee the business of the
      committee she was referring to an incident and the and the and
      the place and the time and in fact the select committee were not
      identified

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      so that's not out of order

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      the um the other point the member raised was about er matters
      that were dealt with by a court

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      now the only time that a member can't refer to these is when
      they are sub judice

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      that is when proceedings proceedings are in progress

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      members can of course refer to court proceedings <.>a</.> <.>af</.>
      after these have concluded <,>

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      <O>tut</O> yep

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      yeah mister speaker i think actually i have adequately made my
      points about the so called <&>14:00</&> opposition spokesperson
      on so called law and order

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      mister speaker i would like now to turn to the actual policing
      that happens in my electorate

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      i'm talking here mister speaker of the crime detection work and
      the crime prevention work done by local police <.>o</.> <.>o</.>
      officers under the supervision of the northern command post in
      takapuna

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      i'm not actually talking mister speaker about the <.>politic</.>
      politicisation of of the police of in particular two auckland
      policemen who have decided to stand for the national party as
      candidates in glenfield and birkenhead electives in the
      forthcoming election

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      that's the subject for a later debate mister speaker

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      but i'm quite sure that the people of birkenhead won't accept a
      policeman as their political representative

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      they don't want a <.>polit</.> a politicised police force

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      the people of birkenhead want a police the police to do what
      <&>15:00</&> they're trained to do and that is crime <.>detenti</.>
      detection and crime prevention

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      and in fact mister speaker i actually think the police of the
      north shore and particularly those in birkenhead do a darned
      good job

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      they do it um and i would like to commend them for particularly
      for their treatment of the victims and the hard work that they
      put in recently over the last um eighteen months or so in
      apprehending the <.>pol</.> the people responsible for the rex
      bell murder in in northcote

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      and i would also like to commend um <O>tut</O> the birkenhead
      community constable particularly and his superior officers for
      the work they have also put in in the last um few weeks in <.>invi</.>
      advising the people of the north shore about the merits of um
      neighbourhood support and what people can do to prevent um
      themselves and their families and <.>th</.> their possessions
      from <&>16:00</&> being the the subject of criminal behaviour

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      and there there were three excellent documents just published
      just very recently mister speaker on um crime prevention <?><title>your
      personal and practical guide to crime prevention</title></?> and
      <?><title>personal protection your home and possessions</title></?>
      <?><title>community and business support</title></?>

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      and these er um were recently published and are available for
      general <.>u</.> um public use

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      and the birkenhead community constable on his own initiative has
      um arranged a display at the <.>b</.> at the local library

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      in in fact i think at both libraries at the birkenhead library
      anyhow er which shows people the different types of secure locks
      that they can put on their possessions and homes to prevent
      crime

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      and i know he has also arranged seminars to for the local
      business people to attend to learn how they can actually help
      prevent their their properties from being the subject of um
      crime

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      <O>tut</O> and um

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      he has the <&>17:00</&> er the

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      the general the general public are invited to take some copies
      of these documents from <.>at</.> from the library and from the
      birkenhead um police base and i heard um

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      he was telling me about that just the other day

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      mister speaker i would like to remind the house of the sort of
      resources this government this labour government in the last
      five years have put in to support the work of the police
      particularly the community work um which which has been going on

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      the police get now get two and a half times the funding that
      that they got under the previous government and their funding
      has doubled in three years

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      and this has rejuvenated the police force and they have a
      younger um more energetic police force at the moment

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      we also have had the establishment of a <&>18:00</&> hundred
      more community constables twenty six more youth aid officers and
      fourteen extra officers to work in schools which have been
      further moves to help provide support for the communities and
      prevention of criminal behaviour in in the communities

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      and i would say that our emphasis on community policing and our
      increase in police resources um <O>voc</O> will not happen

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      the sort of <.>em</.> emphasis that we have put on will not
      happen under a future national government if as i have said
      before and i very much doubt that um a national government will
      um come into being after the next general election

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      it's very doubtful in fact

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      um and i doubt that they would have the commitment to putting
      into the community the resources that we have in the matter of
      um police resources

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      thank you <&>19:02</&>
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