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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      well if we can start er in er in quarter of a hours time maybe
      we can start to address some of those issues in a more robust
      way

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      number four doctor bill sutton

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      my question is to the minister of commerce

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      <reads>has he received any reports on the levels of cost faced
      by manufacturers in new zealand as compared with those in the
      economies of our major trading partners</reads> <&>13:00</&>

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      the honourable clive matthewson

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      mister speaker on behalf of the minister of commerce i reply
      <reads>yes

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      i have recently received two reports on the levels of cost faced
      by new zealand manufacturers relative to those of our trading
      partners

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      both relate to research conducted by the new zealand <.>in</.>
      institute of economic research and show that because of the
      relative efficiencies incurred particularly in real value added
      per person employed new zealand has and will continue to exhibit
      increased manufacturing competitiveness</reads>

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      supplementary question

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      doctor bill sutton

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      in addition to the reduced costs of production referred to by
      the minister have there been any other cost reductions

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      the honourable clive matthewson <latch>

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      mister speaker there there certainly have there's been

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      well transport would be one for a start

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      er transport has reduced in real terms to about <&>14:00</&>
      half what it was five years ago and the member will know as i do
      that if you don't live in auckland that's really important for
      the competitiveness of the manufacturers in your area

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      that's one transport <,>

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      energy costs would be another

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      they've gone down in real terms

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      our tariff policy our tariff policy means that many input costs
      for manufacturers have gone down

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      so we've not only seen cost reductions of the sort i mentioned
      but productivity gains of the sort i mentioned in my original
      answer <{1><[1>and</[1> that all leads to a better future for
      new zealand <{2><[2>no question</[2> about that

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      philip burdon

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      what effect will the review of part two of the tariff <.>sch</.>
      schedule have on the levels of costs facing manufacturing
      acknowledging that it has been estimated that they will increase
      by some three hundred and seventy million dollars

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      the honourable clive matthewson <latch>

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      <.>i</.> <.>i</.> <.>i</.> mister speaker i couldn't hear

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      it was part two of what it was that the member that the member
      <&>15:00</&> asked <,> sorry <latch>

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      <unclear>word</unclear>

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      part two of the tariff schedule <,> which is being currently
      reviewed a which it is anticipated will increase the cost of
      componentry for manufacturers by some three hundred and seventy
      million dollars <latch>

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      the honourable clive <{><[>matthewson</[>

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      <[>mister</[></{> speaker it seems er er it seems to me that the
      member must be arguing that tariffs should be increased <,,>

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      this <{><[>this <.>s</.> well <.>that</.> <.>that</.></[>

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      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{> <{1><[1><unclear>word</unclear>
      <{2><[2><unclear>word</unclear> <unclear>word</unclear></[1> <?>concession</?></[2>

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      <[1>if if <?>you are</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

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      <[2>order order</[2></{2>

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      mister speaker i wonder if i could ask a <{><[>question</[>

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      <[>order</[></{> <O>coughs</O>

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      order <,> <drawls>order</drawls> <,>

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      well let's just have an answer rather than

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      er could we have the answer rather the <latch>

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      can i help the <{><[>member speaking</[>

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      <[>order

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      no no</[></{> no the member the member can't er <latch>

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      mister speaker <{><[><?>he</?> can't</[>

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      <[>order</[></{> order <.>th</.> i think what we <.>sh</.> what
      we need is an answer rather than an assumption of what the
      opposition might be might be saying

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      <{><[>the honourable clive matthewson</[>

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      <[>well <.>i</.> it's quite</[></{> simple mister

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      speaker you <&>16:00</&> can't DEcrease costs to anyone by
      increasing tariffs

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      number five the honourable warren cooper

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      thank you mister speaker

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      to the minister of state owned enterprises <,> <reads>in light
      of the statement on the third of april nineteen eighty nine on
      the clyde dam project by mister m j williams manager of work
      project services that <,> <quotes>achieving lake fill in august
      will require a concentrated and determined effort by many
      parties <,> and appears to practicable on <,> the basis of the
      investigations conclusions and remedial measures carried out <,>
      this far

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      the possibility of intensified studies over the next few months
      identifying conditions which could <.>pre</.> prejudice lake
      fill does not appear to be great</quotes> <,>

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      does the minister intend to institute a PUBlic inquiry <,> into
      the quality of advice given by works project services</reads>
      <latch>

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      the <&>17:00</&> honourable richard prebble

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      no

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      supplementary <{><[>question</[>

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      <[>the</[></{> honourable warren cooper

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      can the minister give the specific REAson <,> why he reFUses to
      promote an independent public inquiry <,> and instead promotes a
      ministerial inquiry with three labour government members one of
      whom was a career officer <,> of the former ministry of works
      and development another a lame duck <{><[>m p</[> about to
      retire and the third likely to be tipped out of office because
      of the instability of HIS seat

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      <[>order</[></{>

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      <{><[>the honourable</[> richard prebble

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      <[>mister</[></{>

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      mister speaker

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      order

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      mister speaker <,> the evidence is quite clear that the
      responsibility for the clyde dam decision was a political one
      and therefore should be invested at that level and to try an
      <&>18:00</&> and to try <{><[>and pin</[> it on some civil
      servants in the ministry of works is despicable

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      <[>order</[></{>

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      harry dynhoven

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      has the minister seen any <.>re</.> reports which outline the
      well known inherently unstable geological structure surrounding
      the clyde <,> <unclear>word</unclear>

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      the national administration take in regard to the huge risk
      involved in lake <unclear>word</unclear>

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      <?>the</?> member minister <{><[>has the information</[>

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      the honourable richard prebble

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      <[><drawls>oh</drawls></[></{>

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      <.>ye</.> yes mister speaker um

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      order

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      mm?

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      <loudly>order</loudly>

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      i can't here you <,>

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      oh <,> <{><[>the er</[>

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      <[>mister</[></{> prebble

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      mister speaker the the <,>

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      i can incorporate the <{1><[1>interjection</[1> in into the
      reply by the member for <.>ma</.> maramarua

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      in fact it was known er at least six years ago and if he looks
      in the parliaments own hansards of nineteen eighty two i note
      that the er now minister of social <&>19:00</&> welfare in this
      in this house er informed the opposition that there was a
      considerable er instabilities and a major geological fault in
      the area and the result was that with the help of the <{2><[2>er
      <.>me</.></[2> with the help of the member for selwyn they
      passed the bill to build the dam deSPITE of the instability

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      question six jenny kirk

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      point of order mister speaker

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      a point of order <,,><&>3</&>

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      <loudly>order <,,>

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      order</loudly> <,,>

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      order <,>

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      can't see any reason for <,> for all that noise

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      the point of order <,>

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      well he's er seeking <{1><[1>a point</[1> of order as he's
      perfectly <{2><[2>entitled</[2> to do

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      members might want to laugh at the end of it or they might want
      to laugh at the end of <.>o</.> points other people make but it
      seems a bit absurd to er to er to jeer on somebody who's just
      getting up to raise a point of order

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      the honourable mister bill birch

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      <[1><quickly>point of order</quickly></[1></{1>

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      <[2><unclear>word</unclear></[2></{2>

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      speaker you will have noticed that the minister was er referring
      to some er documents that he <&>20:00</&> has in his hand

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      i'm sure he'd like to table them and i just would like to invite
      him to take this opportunity to table them

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      well i think that one of the documents was hansard wasn't it

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      well <.>mis</.> <.>or</.> <.>th</.> <.>them</.> mister <{><[>speaker
      <.>i</.></[>

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      <[>the honourable</[></{> richard prebble

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      yeah i was actually quoting from a photostat of the <.>ha</.> of
      hansard the twenty ninth of september nineteen eighty two er for
      the clutha er development clyde dam empowering bill and the er
      the bit i was referring to is quote

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      <reads>one <.>me</.> one matter that was known beforehand to
      some extent has come into greater prominence over the last
      twenty four hours

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      the soundness of the geological formation of the site</reads>
      <{1><[1><,>

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      and</[1> er and the <{2><[2><.>pers</.></[2> and that's a <{3><[3>that's
      a</[3> quote from one of the labour members who er <.>th</.> the
      <{4><[4><,> they</[4> the the now minister of social welfare <,>

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      but i'm er quite happy to <{5><[5>er</[5> table that

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      if the if the <.>me</.> the member didn't <&>21:00</&> listen at
      the time <{6><[6>i guess</[6> he can read it now

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      <[1>order</[1></{1>

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      <[2>order</[2></{2>

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      <[3>order</[3></{3>

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      <[4>well the <O>coughs</O></[4></{4>

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      <[5><unclear>word</unclear></[5></{5>

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      <[6>order</[6></{6>

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      is there any objection to the <,>

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      <loudly>order</loudly> <,>

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      order

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      we're taking er the <.>ti</.> valuable time for members who will
      want to ask questions later on with this er with points of order
      like this

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      is there any objections to the to the er document being tabled
      there appears to be none <,,><&>5</&>

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      <.>t</.> table anything

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      er jenny kirk

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      mister speaker my question is to the minister of health

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      <reads>what is the <{><[>purpose</[> of the new enrolled nurse
      course</reads>

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      <[>order</[></{>

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      order <,>

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      jenny kirk

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      my question is to the minister of health mister speaker

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      <reads>what is the purpose of the new enrolled nurse course at
      auckland technical institute's akoranga campus</reads>

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      the honourable doctor michael cullen

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      the enrolled nurses course at auckland institute of technology
      is a PIlot programme to train enROLLed nurses as well as
      compreHENsive nurses in a TERtiary setting as opposed to
      hospital based training

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      this is being done with <&>22:00</&> the full support of the
      auckland area health board

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      supplementary <latch>

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      jenny kirk

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      how many enrolled nurses will be trained each year as a a result
      of this course <latch>

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      the honourable doctor michael cullen

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      mister speaker the course will train one hundred enrolled nurses
      per year

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      don mckinnon

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      given the number of currently unemployed nurses in the community
      can the minister SAY that the number of these enrolled nurses
      are likely to get a job when they come out their training

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      the honourable doctor michael <{><[>cullen</[>

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      <[>speaker</[></{> given the high level of training that THESE
      enrolled nurses will receive i think the answer is very strongly
      that they will have a much better chance of obtaining employment

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      number seven the <.>honourable</.> a point of order winston
      peters

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      er thank you one observes er speaker's rulings and standing
      orders

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      one of the principal underlying elements of those rulings <,> is
      that er there be no behaviour in the parliament that brings
      parliament to disrepute <.>i</.> into disrepute <,>

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      or for that matter parliamentarians

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      now sir if you look at if you look at question <&>23:00</&> six
      today

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      frankly sir that question is so nonsensical and puerile <{><[>as
      to bring us all into disrepute</[> and should be stopped

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      <[>order

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      order

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      order</[></{>

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      order <,>

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      order <,>

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      <loudly>order</loudly> <,>

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      order

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      i'd've a lot of fun ruling questions out of order if <.>i</.> er
      if i took a a narrow view of er of members' rights to ask
      questions

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      order

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      the member can debate that in about five minutes if he can go
      for a call

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      number seven the honourable warren cooper

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      thank you mister speaker

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      to the minister of state owned er enterprises <,>

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      <reads>on what basis did mister m j williams the manager of work
      project services state in his letter dated third of april
      nineteen eighty nine to the manager of the clyde power <&>pronounced
      as prower</&> power project <quotes>achieving lake fill in
      august will require a concentrated and a determined effort by
      many parties and appears to be practicable on the basis of the
      investigations <,> conclusions and remedial measures carried out
      this far

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      the possibility <&>24:00</&> of intensified studies over the
      next few months identifying conditions which could prejudice
      lake fill does not appear to be great</quotes></reads>

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      the honourable richard prebble

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      oh well one er long question deserves a long answer

  <WSC#DGU018:0815:RP>
      mister speaker i am advised by the chairperson of works and the
      development services corporation works that mister williams made
      his assessment of the situation based on his background
      knowledge and reports of the day and advice of his staff

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      the letter referred to by the honourable member in his question
      should be read in conjunction <,> with a <.>le</.> with the
      letter to electricorp from works dated the thirty first of march
      nineteen eighty nine which said quote <reads>as mentioned in my
      w two six oh of the twenty ninth of march there are still some
      areas of uncertainty and insufficient knowledge

  <WSC#DGU018:0825:RP>
      the <&>25:00</&> report is based on information know at mid
      february nineteen eight nine and doesn't take into account the
      findings of the two consultants messrs stapleton and richards
      currently reviewing the geotechnical work undertaken by the n z
      g s and works

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      these two <{><[>independent</[> consultants are not expected to
      formally report their considerations and findings until april
      nineteen eighty nine

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      as a result of their review the amount of work is very likely to
      increase</reads>

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      <[>order</[></{>

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      <{><[>supplementary question</[>

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      <[>the honourable warren</[></{> cooper

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      was mister williams reporting in the knowledge that the labour
      policy for the nineteen eighty four election campaign was to
      build the high dam at clyde and use the existing construction
      forces and that policy has remained unchanged from when labour
      assumed office at the stage where the excavations were barely
      completed two <&>26:00</&> thousand days ago

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      <drawls>the</drawls> honourable richard prebble

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      mister speaker i don't know where the member's been but the
      decision to build the high dam was actually made er er by by his
      government with the question of whether or not there should be
      further dams built on the clyde was a decision which was
      inherited by this government and we looked at it in a proper
      management way and we concluded <,> using the same officials
      available to the honourable member that such a dam was not
      required

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      this government didn't go ahead with a further dam and the last
      estimate that i have heard of the savings that have been made by
      the decisions made by THIS government on the clyde and other
      areas is that we have saved the taxpayers of new zealand aBOUT a
      BIllion dollars <&>26:52</&>
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