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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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  <&>2:27</&>
  

  <WSC#DGZ024:0005:AI>
      <.>i</.> i mean the other thing <.>th</.> <.>th</.> that the
      club needs <.>to</.> to consider in relation to that figure of
      three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars which er <.>i</.>
      is horrendous um <.>i</.> is that the alternative to many of the
      things that peter has suggested for the whakapapa lodge is to
      reduce the number of bunks in the whakapapa lodge

  <WSC#DGZ024:0010:AI>
      and you can solve the overcrowding problems there by reducing to
      twenty er or to eighteen

  <WSC#DGZ024:0015:AI>
      my experience at the last season um is that in a good season
      whakapapa is now really filling up most <&>3:00</&> weekends er
      and it's GROSSLY overused during the august holidays

  <WSC#DGZ024:0020:AI>
      members are NOT willing to go to ohakune so that that option is
      not a terribly <laughs>attractive</laughs> one for the
      membership um <.>un</.> unless people change their skiing habits
      and are prepared to go to ohakune which darren won't like <,,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0025:AI>
      oh ohakune is grossly underutilised er

  <WSC#DGZ024:0030:AI>
      whakapapa if you look at anne's figures er use about HALF the
      available bunk space during the season

  <WSC#DGZ024:0035:AI>
      ohakune <.>lose</.> uses a THIRD of the available bunk space
      during the season

  <WSC#DGZ024:0040:AI>
      you have occasions when ohakune is empty and whakapapa has more
      than twenty four people booked in

  <WSC#DGZ024:0045:BH>
      <.>well</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0050:CT>
      cameron

  <WSC#DGZ024:0055:BH>
      <.>i</.> i just can't see any point <.>in</.> in um not passing
      this er resolution um to develop the five year development
      programme

  <WSC#DGZ024:0060:BH>
      i <.>would</.> i <&>4:00</&> would say that um the <.>inf</.>
      some information er that the committee might find useful is that
      er a certain section of the membership might find a capital cost
      of three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars over the six
      years er pretty hard to swallow <,,> and also that er if ohakune
      is er utilised for something like half the rate of whakapapa AND
      is up for large sums of er capital then the committee ought to
      consider selling it <,,><&>6</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0065:CT>
      wayne <,,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0070:DP>
      well <.>i</.> <.>i've</.> <.>that</.> that point was raised in
      the committee and i think that the er <,> the difficulty of that
      is of course the longterm future <?>involvements</?> of
      whakapapa can't be guaranteed er <.>and</.> and the position of
      the club to sell the lodge at ohakune is that we might
      <&>5:00</&> incur the longterm <?>be left with nothing</?> and
      if <.>we</.> <?>it seems</?> to us that we ought to keep um the
      lodge at ohakune er as a second lodge <?>partly for that reason</?>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0075:BH>
      well we could do the work of the committee now

  <WSC#DGZ024:0080:EQ>
      perhaps we should <?>put them out</?> when the doc company <?>reads
      this</?> that would be <unclear>word</unclear> <?>over the last
      two or three weeks that</?> um one reason some of the clubs are
      opposing the ground rent agreements doc says that they are only
      guaranteeing tenure of a hundred years which is um <unclear>word</unclear>
      it's just unacceptable <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0085:CT>
      <.>so</.> so your TERM <.>in</.> in the longterm for wayne <.>is</.>
      is reasonably long

  <WSC#DGZ024:0090:DP>
      i'm happy with that <O>laughter</O>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0095:WF>
      the thing <.>is</.> um madam chairman <.>the</.> i understand
      that there's er that there's far greater potential for expanding
      the structure <&>6:00</&> at ohakune than there is at whakapapa
      so i mean i think it's er <.>i</.> <.>it's</.> <.>it's</.> it's
      a good idea <.>to</.> to stay with the ohakune er structure er
      because a hell of sight easier to expand that er <.>than</.>
      than to expand up at er whakapapa

  <WSC#DGZ024:0100:GN>
      we actually had a good look at <?>a larger site</?> than ohakune

  <WSC#DGZ024:0105:WF>
      sorry?

  <WSC#DGZ024:0110:GN>
      <.>th</.> the site constraints at ohakune are also quite
      limiting

  <WSC#DGZ024:0115:WF>
      well i understand we've still got some ground out to <.>the</.>
      well <?>if you cop us</?> at the car park out there <{><[>that
      <.>we</.></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0120:GN>
      <[>we've <.>got</.></[></{> we're putting <.>a</.> thinking of
      putting a wing out there a few years back

  <WSC#DGZ024:0125:WF>
      yeah well we'd probably MOVE into the car parking area and we
      can move towards the driveway

  <WSC#DGZ024:0130:WF>
      er is that right david

  <WSC#DGZ024:0135:HS>
      yes i think so

  <WSC#DGZ024:0140:HS>
      there is sufficient room for extension there

  <WSC#DGZ024:0145:HS>
      it's not been explored thoroughly

  <WSC#DGZ024:0150:CT>
      <{><[>given the <?>current <.>use</.> sorry</?></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0155:WF>
      <[>what's the point in <?>filling the <.>carp</.></?></[></{> er
      best extending it if we can't fill it up now

  <WSC#DGZ024:0160:CT>
      yes <{><[>quite</[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0165:HS>
      <[>well <.>that's</.></[></{> that's <{><[><.>yeah</.></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0170:WF>
      <[>well that's</[></{> it but we've got the potential <{><[>we've
      just <.>th</.> <.>just</.></[> just got the potential you see

  <WSC#DGZ024:0175:CT>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0180:X1>
      there are two points it seems <unclear>word</unclear> perhaps
      worth mentioning

  <WSC#DGZ024:0185:X1>
      during the last season several <&>7:00</&> people mentioned to
      me in passing that they found staying at <.>oha</.> at whakapapa
      exCEEDingly uncomfortable because of the bunk accommodation and
      would in fact stay there far more frequently if it was not so er
      overcrowded

  <WSC#DGZ024:0190:X1>
      so we would actually get a HIGHER bunk use possibly if it was
      more congenial

  <WSC#DGZ024:0195:X1>
      the other thing is if there is such ENORMOUS under usage of
      ohakune when ohakune <unclear>word</unclear> HOPS for
      accommodation during the august holidays and other periods would
      the lodge or would the members consider possibly letting it for
      say two weekends in the season and <.>let</.> generate an income
      that we need to cover that <.>copi</.> capital cost

  <WSC#DGZ024:0200:AI>
      then we get taxed

  <WSC#DGZ024:0205:CT>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGZ024:0210:AI>
      well we've got a <?>problem</?> <unclear>word</unclear>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0215:X1>
      but it's still <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0220:AI>
      <[>a number of the other lodges</[></{> have run into that
      problem <.>l</.> losing their charitable status they <unclear>word</unclear>
      guests <,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0225:AI>
      <.>that</.> i mean that's PART of the reason behind our <?>shift</?>
      there it is a danger <&>8:00</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0230:X1>
      right

  <WSC#DGZ024:0235:X1>
      is it possible to find out what is <.>the</.> what's the
      <laughs>maximum</laughs> letting you could do without getting
      had up for tax

  <WSC#DGZ024:0240:AI>
      well <.>i</.> i doubt it

  <WSC#DGZ024:0245:WF>
      the trouble is in controlling it when you've got that situation
      as well

  <WSC#DGZ024:0250:CT>
      cameron your suggestion was we might do the job of the <.>committee</.>
      that you are charging the committee with now

  <WSC#DGZ024:0255:CT>
      would you like to develop that a little <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0260:BH>
      oh <.>i</.> i don't think there's any point in doing the job of
      the committee now

  <WSC#DGZ024:0265:BH>
      i think we should just get on with it <.>and</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0270:BH>
      i mean it's an obviously eminently sensible recommendation as
      one would expect from <?>a <{><[>committee of their intelligence</?></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0275:WF>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{> <&>six seconds of
      indecipherable speech not transcribed</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0280:CT>
      jenny

  <WSC#DGZ024:0285:UJ>
      can i add one observation that perhaps would be appropriate for
      the committee to bear in mind when looking at that development
      programme is that IF we are getting more use of whakapapa and
      ohakune underused <.>i</.> <.>is</.> should we be looking at
      differential bunk fees <.>w</.> trying it <&>9:00</&> for a
      season

  <WSC#DGZ024:0290:UJ>
      i think there ARE people for whom the financial thing is quite
      important and a small shift <,> in er a small differential in
      those bunk rates might er might shift the balance

  <WSC#DGZ024:0295:UJ>
      i know that <.>i'm</.> speak for myself in this that er paying
      for four of us me paying for four people to go for a week it
      wouldn't take much in bunk rates for me to think oh perhaps
      we'll just go to ohakune this time and there might be other
      people in that situation

  <WSC#DGZ024:0300:UJ>
      it's just <.>a</.> just a thought to be aware of that possibly
      we could do that <,,><&>7</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0305:CT>
      <unclear>word</unclear> <,> um that case er <.>i'll</.> i'll put
      the motion and <.>i</.> i didn't actually note it down but i
      think it was to the effect that the incoming committee be
      invited to develop a five year plan

  <WSC#DGZ024:0310:WF>
      instructed <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[> INSTRUCTED <.>t</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0315:CT>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0320:CT>
      didn't even look at it

  <WSC#DGZ024:0325:WF>
      to develop

  <WSC#DGZ024:0330:CT>
      it'd be yes the committee develop a five year <&>10:00</&>
      development programme etcetera etcetera

  <WSC#DGZ024:0335:CT>
      all those in favour please say aye <&>others say aye</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0340:CT>
      contrary?

  <WSC#DGZ024:0345:CT>
      <.>car</.> carried

  <WSC#DGZ024:0350:CT>
      peter would it assist you if the meeting gave some um feelings
      as to <,> um how that <.>might</.> how developments might be
      funded or would you rather leave that

  <WSC#DGZ024:0355:GN>
      no <.>i</.> no i think that's yeah that's sort of <unclear>word</unclear>
      <{><[>i suppose <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0360:GN>
      yeah i think we could leave that <O>voc</O> for another a g m

  <WSC#DGZ024:0365:GN>
      i think later in the evening perhaps we <.>could</.> <.>p</.>
      people could talk about the sorts of things TO committee members
      whether <unclear>word</unclear> on what problems and issues THEY
      see in relation to the two lodges

  <WSC#DGZ024:0370:GN>
      whether we should be um in some ways awfully <,,> ohakune and
      say we're just going to forget about ohakune and not just spend
      any money on it <,> because if no one wants to stay <.>there</.>
      or whether we need to actually upgrade the facilities there to
      encourage people <unclear>word</unclear> <&>11:00</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0375:GN>
      those sorts of issues i think i'd like <.>to</.> people START to
      debate and talk about the um <,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0380:GN>
      no maybe even put messages into <.>the</.> the log books at <.>the</.>
      at the huts so that when you're there engage OTHER people in the
      same debate and <.>i</.> it really needs to be discussed quite
      widely <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0385:CT>
      <[><?>preempting things</?></[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0390:CT>
      <?>best</?> we move on to the second green motion <,,> which is
      as to the nineteen ninety three subscriptions and fees

  <WSC#DGZ024:0395:CT>
      would you <?>be willing to speak to those</?> <,,><&>4</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0400:GN>
      well er i just repeat that we had made <.>a</.> a recommendation
      that the um the adult subscription moves to a hundred and ten
      dollars which is inclusive of <.>the</.> the ten dollars
      maintenance levy um <,,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0405:GN>
      and that as i said before actually means <.>that</.> that the
      subscriptions DON'T cover <&>12:00</&> all our costs but we were
      <laughs>hesitant</laughs> to force the hand of the a g m and
      <,,> i know i'd like someone else to move <unclear>word</unclear>
      <laughs>if they feel so moved</laughs> um and it would of course
      i mean that the consequence of increasing it beyond a hundred
      and ten would mean that we WERE beginning to generate <.>some</.>
      some funds for future work <,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0410:GN>
      um i would ask for any other comments from the floor <,,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0415:KK>
      just <.>a</.> <.>a</.> a question on the graph which shows a
      decline in the cash surplus

  <WSC#DGZ024:0420:GN>
      yep

  <WSC#DGZ024:0425:KK>
      do you know which year <.>th</.> <.>m</.> most of the
      expenditure on the kitchen development er what year that fell in

  <WSC#DGZ024:0430:KK>
      was that ninety one or ninety two

  <WSC#DGZ024:0435:GN>
      that actually is um <.>isn't</.> is excluded <{><[>from the
      graphs</[> so <.>that</.> <.>that</.> that doesn't <?>come in</?>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0440:GN>
      that's capital expenditure so it doesn't come into the profit
      and loss side of <&>13:00</&> the accounts <O>voc</O>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0445:GN>
      it reduces our um cash reserves that we have

  <WSC#DGZ024:0450:KK>
      <[>excluded</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0455:KK>
      right <,,><&>6</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0460:GN>
      any other issues in relation to the level <.>of</.> of
      subscriptions?

  <WSC#DGZ024:0465:LV>
      <.>j</.> <.>as</.> just as a seconder point out that by moving a
      hundred and ten dollars as the subscription the effective
      subscription is ninety dollars <,> <.>cos</.> <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0470:GN>
      if you pay in time

  <WSC#DGZ024:0475:LV>
      yes the twenty dollar discount <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0480:GN>
      generally we have about sixty percent of our members paying in
      time <&>five seconds of indistinct speech not transcribed</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0485:MR>
      is that hundred and ten dollars actually mean <.>that</.> that
      we should be <.>tw</.> should be twenty more than that or is <.>that</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0490:GN>
      no <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0495:MR>
      that actually <{><[><unclear>word</unclear> <?>ninety dollars</?></[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0500:GN>
      <[>the subscription is</[></{> set at a hundred <.>and</.>
      hundred and ten including the levy <{1><[1>and there will</[1>
      be a discount off that if people pay <{2><[2>by <unclear>word</unclear></[2>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0505:MR>
      <[1>right so <.>that's</.></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0510:MR>
      <[2><unclear>word</unclear> your twenty two</[2></{2> hundred
      projection <.>is</.> <.>is</.> is based on <.>the</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0515:GN>
      yes <latch> <&>14:00</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0520:AI>
      it assumes a sixty percent discount

  <WSC#DGZ024:0525:CT>
      but if it went <.>to</.> if it were a hundred and twenty your
      graph shows <,> which <.>is</.>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0530:GN>
      <unclear>word</unclear> four thousand eight <{><[>hundred <?>and
      ten percent of</?></[> that um <,>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0535:GN>
      that again assumes those same sort of discount rates

  <WSC#DGZ024:0540:CT>
      <[>so <.>it's</.> start as <.>like</.></[></{> <,,><&>3</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0545:AI>
      can i make my usual amendment to this motion

  <WSC#DGZ024:0550:AI>
      <.>i</.> i miss it every year when we're drafting these things

  <WSC#DGZ024:0555:AI>
      <.>it</.> <.>th</.> there should be the summer rates in there
      too

  <WSC#DGZ024:0560:AI>
      um five dollars for members adult and <{><[>child</[>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0565:UJ>
      <[>are you</[></{> talking about bunk fees

  <WSC#DGZ024:0570:AI>
      bunk fees yes um and <,> last year i think we set them at ten
      dollars and five dollars for adult and child guests <,,><&>6</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0575:AI>
      logically i suppose it ought to be half the <&>15:00</&> winter
      rate twelve and six <,,><&>4</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0580:AI>
      i don't care if it doesn't make any difference financially

  <WSC#DGZ024:0585:CT>
      <unclear>word</unclear> noted

  <WSC#DGZ024:0590:X2>
      in terms of the subscriptions um i notice this discount that we
      sort of um put in there to encourage people to pay early

  <WSC#DGZ024:0595:X2>
      <unclear>word</unclear> it's not worthwhile considering dropping
      the whole idea of the discount and actually keeping the er subs
      at er a hundred dollars

  <WSC#DGZ024:0600:X2>
      <.>the</.> it's going to give you a um it will give you
      basically an increase in your cash that you need also perhaps
      <?>allow you to</?> build a bit more of a reserve as well

  <WSC#DGZ024:0605:X2>
      i just wondered what's the point of a discount

  <WSC#DGZ024:0610:X2>
      you've got the rules in there <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>
      people haven't paid if people haven't paid by a certain date
      they can't use the lodge <&>15:54</&>

  <WSC#DGZ024:0615:AI>
      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>
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