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  <&>Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English Version One</&>
  <&>Copyright 1998 School of Linguistics & Applied Language Studies</&>
  <&>Victoria University of Wellington</&>

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      i just wonder

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      you know this practical skills session

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      mhm <,>

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      no i just thought i mean i don't think we could actually cover
      everything

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      <{><[>no i'm just wondering</[>

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      um i just wondered then

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      i don't know whether there would be time to fit in

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      but do you remember at teachers college doing those things those
      difficult lessons where everybody else in the group had to be
      <,> a student

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      <[><?>no i mean we haven't</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

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      oh microteaching

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      yeah

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      and you how do you deal with one person <&>2:00</&> who has <,>

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      you know you set up a situation with role <?>cards</?> and one
      person is

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      well i suppose if we we could look at historically the <.>d</.>
      most situations we've had with difficult people <{><[>in</[>
      groups

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      and and i'm just thinking of that guy remember <O>tut</O>

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      can't remember his name

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      who put that plunket nurse on the spot

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      oh hell

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      you know and said <,>

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      who was <{><[>that</[>

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      <[><with threatening voice>well</[></{> what do you do about
      pyra</with threatening voice> <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O>
      <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O> <O>voc</O>

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      <{1><[1>a big technical</[1> name that <{2><[2>um <.>pro</.></[2>
      projectile

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      <[1>that's right</[1></{1>

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      <[2>carmen's partner</[2></{2>

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      vomiting

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      <{><[>right</[> yeah

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      <[>vomiting</[></{>

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      <{><[><?>is like</[> can't be</?>

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      and he he <.>l</.> knew the latin term <latch>

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      <[><?>yeah</?></[></{>

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      <O>laughs</O> <latch>

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      and she was obviously not at ease in front of a group and was
      speaking very quietly and

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      um <&>baby coughs through rest of utterance</&> and we could we
      could perhaps do maybe a couple of things like

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      that to <{><[>try</[> and figure out the most common
      difficulties that we would have

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      and um <latch>

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      <[>mm</[></{>

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      yeah

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      set up a <,> you know <latch>

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      a little role play <{><[>situation</[>

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      <[>right</[>

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      <[>a little</[></{> role play situation

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      cos the i think <.>i</.> it's

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      well we've <{><[><?><.>usual</.></?></[>

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      <[>i actually think</[></{> that's really valid rae because <{1><[1>they're</[1>
      the things that

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      like you said <{2><[2>it's the depth of your raw material</[2>

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      some people can cope with that situation

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      other people need guidance in as to how to deal with a situation
      like <{3><[3>that</[3>

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1> <&>3:00</&>

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      <[2><?>those things that worry you too</?></[2></{2>

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      <[3><?>mm</?></[3></{3> right <latch>

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      we alison and i had a similar one

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      and in fact we basically got round it <?>by</?> i think using
      the skills that we brought <&>pronounced bought</&> to <{><[>the</[>
      class from our backgrounds <latch>

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      <[>right</[></{>

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      yeah

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      um but how would somebody without <{1><[1>those</[1> skills deal
      with a situation <{2><[2>like</[2> <{3><[3>that</[3>

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      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      <[3>yes</[3></{3> <.>an</.> er

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      <{><[><?>even</?> <unclear>word</unclear> <?>mm</?></[>

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      <[>even just modelling</[></{> <.>a</.>

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      rather than as actually role playing

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      modelling a correct a <.>c</.> er or <{><[>a possible way of
      dealing</[>

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      <[>yeah and stop and think</[></{> okay what do we do now

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      you could we use the

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      well we could even <{><[><?>just do a sort of</?></[>

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      <[>the people on the committee</[></{> as the naughty people

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      have the rest of the group watching

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      and then have the <.>facilititor</.> tator saying okay now we'll
      stop there and we'll come out of role <,>

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      what would you do next

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      what could we do next

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      what would work

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      what <{><[><?>probably</?></[>

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      and then we'd go back in it

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      go back into role and

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      <[><?>yeah</?></[></{>

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      mm <latch>

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      <.>ha</.> have it all set up first so that <latch>

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      right <latch> <.>th</.> those of us at the top who are
      <&>4:00</&> they suzanne rae katrina kathryn marilyn sally <.>wh</.>

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      whichever <&>baby cries through next section</&> the of <.>u</.>
      us are in the <?>being</?> the <latch>

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      <softly><with high pitched voice><?>in the class</?></with high pitched voice></softly>
      <latch>

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      the class have it all set up <.>i</.>

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      cause i i really think that er a lot of the time er it's being
      involved <.>tha</.> that's the way people learn <{><[>isn't it

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      it's</[> not being told

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      <[>yeah that's right</[></{>

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      no i think that's very true

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      and i and i think we could also deal with more sort of
      commonplace things that that they would strike as well

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      perhaps in small groups sort of have problem solving <?>cards</?>

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      and <.>th</.> <latch>

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      right <latch>

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      we could then come back together <.>w</.>

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      cos you have experienced coordinators there as well <latch>

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      right <latch>

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      you'd have sort of stuff to bring and people as you say with
      other backgrounds

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      and you could perhaps have a situation

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      you know the the the <exhales>the</exhales> well the problem
      that sally and i had

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      the physiotherapists <{1><[1>won't</[1> answer questions when
      they're put by the class

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      how could you deal with that situation <{2><[2>or</[2>

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      <[1><?>right</?></[1></{1>

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      <[2><laughs>that's pretty</[2></{2> bloody difficult</laughs>

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      <{1><[1>yes but but i mean</[1>

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      or um <{2><[2>you're having

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      or or you know a visiting</[2> speaker is is <.>g</.> is going
      over time <latch>

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      <[1><?>send them some</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

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      <[2><laughs><?>shoot</?> physio</laughs></[2></{2>

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      right right <latch>

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      now actually that's a <{><[>VERY relevant one mm mm</[>
      <&>5:00</&>

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      <[>which is a very common one

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      and</[></{> people often feel quite awkward about <,> <{1><[1>just</[1>
      knowing how to handle that situation

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      <{2><[2>or</[2> somebody on the <.>c</.> course comes up to you
      at the coffee break and asks you <?>what's your sort of pain
      relief</?> should i use

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      <[1><?>no</?></[1></{1>

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      <[2>right</[2></{2>

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      yes yes that's an excellent one <{><[>and <.>ju</.></[>

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      yeah just have yeah i reckon even those as role plays or
      whatever <latch>

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      <[>okay</[></{>

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      <{><[>yeah</[>

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      <[>mm</[></{> <latch>

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      it'd be really good and just stop and give them time to think
      <latch>

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      you could do those with small groups

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      <{1><[1>and it would be really</[1> good to have a <{2><[2><?>larger</?>
      one as well</[2>

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      <[1>yeah</[1>

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      <[1><?>small</?> groups</[1></{1>

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      <[2><?><.>it</.> <.>one</.></?></[2></{2> it'd be quite good to
      have one perhaps as a <{1><[1>as a</[1> whole <{2><[2>group</[2>
      and then a couple of small <{3><[3>problem solving ones

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      and <.>talki</.></[3> and then reporting back to the rest of the
      class

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      cos even if i mean <,> <.>th</.> <,>

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      even if they don't take anything on board specifically what they
      should come away with is knowing that those people at the top
      <O>voc</O> suzanne rae katrina blah blah blah <O>tut</O>

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      <?>are <.>th</.></?> are quite prepared to help with those sorts
      of <{4><[4>problems if</[4> the coordinators feel that <latch>

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      <[3>mm yeah yeah</[3></{3>

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      <[4>exactly</[4></{4>

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      mm <latch>

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      they need to ring someone to say well look you know this
      situation arose last week what do you think we should do <latch>

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      yeah <&>6:00</&> er

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      that as well as the fact that look something like this might
      come up on your course

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      be <.>pr</.> be prepared for it

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      don't don't let it frighten you

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      but <latch>

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      yeah <latch> <{1><[1>but</[1> be prepared for it

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      <{2><[2><?>you know</?></[2>

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2>well perhaps we</[2></{2> could <.>als</.> we could actually
      make it even more open ended and actually invite the <?>excellent</?>
      the coordinators who have run classes before to share some of
      the problems they've come across

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      well we <{><[>could probably <unclear>word</unclear> <?>select
      the</?></[>

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      <[>and we'd have the scenarios</[></{> prepared

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      <{1><[1>but</[1> but we could also just actually <{2><[2>have</[2>
      it coming from the floor perhaps <latch>

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      <[1>right</[1></{1>

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      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

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      right

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      um that would actually cover a lot of

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      that would cover both you know the er the last two things which
      i saw as being the sort of <{><[><?>meatier</?></[> ones <latch>

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      <[>right</[></{>

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      well we could prime <.>th</.> prime them up couldn't we so that

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      what is it the practical <.>s</.>

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      can can we write on these

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      yes <?>you</?> have to <latch>

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      so if we <exhales><.>s</.></exhales> so if we have

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      because i think <,> <O>exhales</O>

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      it's basically this communication skills that i think is the
      most <{1><[1>difficult</[1> thing

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      <{2><[2>i mean with ice</[2> breakers and things there's a book
      about it

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      and there's <,> introducing <?>senior</?> speaker is rote
      learning isn't it

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      and <reads>facilitating group discussions activities and
      communication skills</reads> that's <&>7:00</&> both of those
      things isn't it <{3><[3>that</[3> we're really talking about

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      <[1>mm</[1></{1>

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      <[2><?>yes it is</?></[2></{2>

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      <[3>right</[3></{3>

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      well with the ice breakers i think we just perhaps <.>dem</.>
      you know model a few that might be <latch>

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      yeah <latch>

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      suitable and useful and and appropriate in that <{><[>context</[>

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      <[>yeah</[></{> and <.>ho</.> and how <latch>

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      things that have <{><[>worked well</[>

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      <[>what to</[></{> <?>think</?> about when you're choosing them

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      particularly with things like um not feeling embarrassed

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      because i mean <{><[>sally</[> and i had no problems with you
      know using those sorts of activities

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      because we just <.>s</.> had no inhibitions about it ourselves

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      but other coordinators reported that the group didn't seem to
      like them

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      and that might might be just the group

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      <[><?>yeah</?></[></{>

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      yeah <{><[>but it also could be that they <?>that</?> they're
      hesitant <?>about it</?></[>

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      <[>but <unclear>word</unclear> they could be passing on their
      own sort of funny</[></{> feelings about it <latch>

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      sure <latch>

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      yeah <latch>

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      and <{><[>there are</[> sort of like alison had some really good
      ones that she uses which are not um insulting to people's
      intelligence

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      or you know some people some people really don't like sort of
      particular sorts of ice breakers

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      so this is actually encouraging people to do the sorts of things
      that they personally feel comfortable <latch>

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      <[><?>i was</?></[></{>

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      mm <latch>

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      yeah <latch> doing

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      and to <.>s</.> and to feel confident in their ability to judge
      when it's no longer necessary

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      yeah <latch>

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      like we felt that we didn't need to do it after the i think the
      second or third session because the <.>th</.> the other people
      coming in were <&>8:00</&> actually doing things <?>which</?>
      <{><[><?>set</?> so <unclear>word</unclear></[>

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      so there were small group activities

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      <[>right yeah</[></{>

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      yeah <latch>

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      um discussion sort of work and things like <{><[>that</[>

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      <[><O>tut</O> right</[></{>

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      okay so if <.>w</.> if i put down here a a role play with um
      facilitators as <,> as the role players who <.>would</.>

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      do we <&>child tries to attract mother's attention through rest
      of utterance</&> can we be as detailed as figuring out who we
      want to facilitate that

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      yeah <O>clears throat</O> <,,><&>4</&>

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      why <.>d</.> well why don't we ask if alison will do that
      <latch>

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      yeah <{><[>okay

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      yeah she will</[> yeah she <?>would</?>

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      <[>do you think</[></{>

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      <O>laughs</O>

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      <laughs><?>she will</?></laughs>

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      <laughs><?>i'm volunteering alison's services</?></laughs>

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      <{1><[1>no</[1> she would <.>sh</.>

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      no <{2><[2>yeah</[2>

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      <[1><unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

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      <[2>i</[2></{2> think she'd be right in in amongst it <{><[>in
      some way</[>

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      <[><O>laughs</O></[>

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      <[>well <.>perhap</.> well perhaps</[></{> <{><[>um yeah yeah

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      so</[> we'd have to suss

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      the people who were involved in that who just need to sort of
      <latch>

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      <[><O>laughs</O></[></{>

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      yeah <latch> get together

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      would you see it as being a role play of an actual antenatal
      class <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1080:RA>
      yeah <latch> discussion <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1085:RA>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1090:KA>
      <?>so we</?> might be talking about um the first days at home or
      a <{><[>problem <?>stage</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1095:RA>
      <[>or or well it</[></{> might be <.>you</.> or <{><[><unclear>word</unclear></[>
      <&>9:00</&>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1100:SU>
      <[>alison</[></{> could be the midwife who is talking to the
      class and there might be you know we three sitting there being
      the difficult

  <WSC#DGZ062:1105:RA>
      having <{1><[1>some of us</[1> talking <.>s</.>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1110:RA>
      three of us could be talking while the midwife's trying to <{2><[2>talk</[2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1115:SU>
      <[1>parties</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1120:KA>
      <[2><?>mm</?></[2></{2> <,>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1125:SU>
      that happens a <{><[>lot</[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1130:RA>
      <[>lot</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1135:RA>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGZ062:1140:SU>
      um <{><[>either</[> that or a very um quiet midwife which is
      what we <.>ha</.> was that the one that had at one stage <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1145:RA>
      <[>so</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1150:RA>
      oh <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1155:SU>
      no

  <WSC#DGZ062:1160:SU>
      plunket nurse <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1165:RA>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGZ062:1170:SU>
      yeah um <{><[>and</[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1175:RA>
      <[>well</[></{> luckily we're not having so much of that problem
      any more <?>truby</?>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1180:RA>
      <{1><[1>but</[1> still yeah okay well if we say um the role play
      <.>was</.>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1185:RA>
      okay can <.>w</.> see we want to think of <unclear>word</unclear>
      <&>speech obscured by noise</&>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1190:RA>
      we might as well <{2><[2>think of <?>a couple of</?> <unclear>word</unclear>
      <?>situations eh</?></[2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1195:SU>
      <[1><?>true</?></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1200:KA>
      <[2>think of say yeah two or three situations</[2></{2> that we
      can then talk through

  <WSC#DGZ062:1205:KA>
      <{1><[1>so</[1> we're doing it as a whole group thing aren't we

  <WSC#DGZ062:1210:KA>
      and <.>th</.> that's sort of <{2><[2>separate from</[2> <?>you
      know</?>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1215:RA>
      <[1>um</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1220:RA>
      <[2>people</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1225:RA>
      talking in <{><[>class</[> in front of the speaker <,>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1230:RA>
      um <O>tut</O> <,> okay what about what about that one of of
      someone trying to <,>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1235:RA>
      <?>usually</?> <&>10:00</&> <slowly>you tend to get someone
      who's a bit

  <WSC#DGZ062:1240:RA>
      not belligerent but um</slowly> like they want to challenge
      someone <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1245:KA>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1250:SU>
      yeah <latch> about <{><[>something</[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1255:SU>
      <[>yeah</[></{> <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1260:KA>
      yeah

  <WSC#DGZ062:1265:SU>
      <{1><[1><softly><?>you</[1> never know</?> <unclear>word</unclear>
      <{2><[2><unclear>word</unclear></softly></[2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1270:RA>
      <[1>um</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1275:RA>
      <[2><.>an</.> and</[2></{2> they don't always

  <WSC#DGZ062:1280:RA>
      they're not tactful and it's <.>im</.>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1285:RA>
      yeah okay so we'll have a challenger we'll try and think of a
      challenging situation

  <WSC#DGZ062:1290:SU>
      <?>mm</?> which could be that guy

  <WSC#DGZ062:1295:RA>
      oh <{><[><?>can't do</?> that he's</[> carmen's partner <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1300:KA>
      <[>do we want do we want to rope in a</[></{> <{1><[1>a male</[1>
      partner to come along and do a bit of <,>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1305:KA>
      cos <.>of</.> it's <.>u</.> it's more generally is the male <{2><[2><unclear>word</unclear></[2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1310:SU>
      <[1>yeah</[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1315:SU>
      <[2>it often is

  <WSC#DGZ062:1320:SU>
      <?>but</?></[2></{2> in the last course i did it wasn't though

  <WSC#DGZ062:1325:KA>
      <{><[>is that <?>right</?></[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1330:RA>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear> me neither it</[></{> was a female
      <{1><[1>in the last one</[1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1335:RA>
      it wasn't it wasn't it was a woman who went <{2><[2>to</[2> who
      asked the physio <.>w</.> about exercise

  <WSC#DGZ062:1340:RA>
      she was <&>speech obscured by noise</&>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1345:RA>
      she heard kay say something like take it easy don't

  <WSC#DGZ062:1350:RA>
      and she interpreted that as don't exercise <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1355:SU>
      <[1><?>that was <.>al</.></?> <unclear>word</unclear></[1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1360:KA>
      <[1>well okay <?>well then</?> okay <unclear>word</unclear></[1></{1>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1365:SU>
      <[2>yeah</[2></{2>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1370:SU>
      well that was <,> marion and marion

  <WSC#DGZ062:1375:RA>
      oh yes they had it too <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1380:SU>
      they <{><[>did it too</[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1385:RA>
      <[>yeah exactly</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1390:RA>
      well we had another one in this last course

  <WSC#DGZ062:1395:RA>
      <{><[><?>but</?> she said</[> <&>rest of utterance said with
      belligerent voice</&> oh well i'm i i do this and i do that i
      <drawls><O>voc</O></drawls>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1400:RA>
      and <?>she's saying</?> this

  <WSC#DGZ062:1405:RA>
      and of course kay's great because kay just said well of course
      you know that's fine

  <WSC#DGZ062:1410:RA>
      if you feel fine <&>11:00</&> that's then that's excellent

  <WSC#DGZ062:1415:SU>
      <[>oh right</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1420:KA>
      because that's another thing to to bear in mind is that if
      there's

  <WSC#DGZ062:1425:KA>
      if the physio or the midwife

  <WSC#DGZ062:1430:KA>
      i mean leave it to them to handle it <{><[>first</[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1435:KA>
      and only if <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1440:SU>
      <[>yeah</[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1445:SU>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1450:KA>
      you need to sort of <{><[><?>thing</?> <unclear>word</unclear></[>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1455:RA>
      <[>cos because</[></{> especially kay

  <WSC#DGZ062:1460:RA>
      <?>i mean she's</?> <,>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1465:RA>
      they have their own skills <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1470:SU>
      yeah <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1475:RA>
      <softly><unclear>word</unclear> yeah i know they're not daft</softly>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1480:RA>
      but if someone perhaps

  <WSC#DGZ062:1485:RA>
      i'm just trying to think of a challenging situation where they
      might challenge something on a video or

  <WSC#DGZ062:1490:KA>
      well um well actually the coordinators don't have to um

  <WSC#DGZ062:1495:KA>
      shall we make something with the baby's equipment <?>night</?>
      <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1500:RA>
      well the baby <.>co</.>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1505:RA>
      <{><[>or <.>f</.> as er</[> maybe challenging the er

  <WSC#DGZ062:1510:KA>
      <[><unclear>word</unclear></[></{>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1515:KA>
      the course content at the beginning <latch>

  <WSC#DGZ062:1520:RA>
      course content

  <WSC#DGZ062:1525:RA>
      or <,> <O>tut</O> <,> bottle feeding

  <WSC#DGZ062:1530:RA>
      no information on bottle feeding

  <WSC#DGZ062:1535:RA>
      or

  <WSC#DGZ062:1540:SU>
      actually that would be a good one <&>11:41</&>
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